Wasted 75 earth gems on "Hidden in the Sand!" BUG?

[Argitoth]

So, I'm playing EA C'tis and I cast Hidden in the Sand. What appears? A single weak commander, that's it. There's no "servants" at all.

Wat the heck?

[Aezeal]

did you cast it in a wasteland?

(I was afraid you did this in PPP but there you can't have 75 gems already http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif)

[vfb]

To get an army, you need to cast it in wasteland. To have a better chance of getting mages, you need magic scales, I think. Turmoil and luck scales help too, supposedly.

[Argitoth]

omg!........ for 75 gems it still should have done something more than a single commander.

Oh well.

[PashaDawg]

Good to know! Sheesh.

[Baalz]

Yep, I've cast hidden in the snow 3 times, hidden in the sand once, all in MP games for a grand total of 1 mage. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[vfb]

Pre-patch I got one D1 mage out of two Hidden in Snow casts, and something like 20 units total.

Post-patch I got one W2E2D2 mage, and 27 soldiers (plus the lord), from one cast. Order-3, Luck-3, Magic-1 scales. It's not bad if you've found an enchantment discount site.

[Endoperez]

Hidden in Sand's description doesn't mention the wasteland requirement ATM, but it was thought more important to release fix for the then-newest iteration of scale bug. The description of it and Hidden in Snow will most probably be corrected for the next patch. The scale boosts will should also be added there.

[Lingchih]

Hidden in Sand is, from all accounts, quite nice, if it is cast in a wasteland province as it is supposed to be. I understand if you did not know that though Argitoth... unless you read the boards religiously you would not have found that out.

[Arralen]

Lingchih said:
Hidden in Sand is, from all accounts, quite nice, if it is cast in a wasteland province as it is supposed to be. I understand if you did not know that though Argitoth... unless you read the boards religiously you would not have found that out.



Ok, so it's "Hidden In Sand" .. how many thousands-years old sand dunes are there around C'tis capitol swamp city?? Come one guys, start using your brain again ... it's pretty obvious that those spells are not meant to be cast everywhere with the same results ...

[Dedas]

He he he... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Argitoth]

Arralen said:Ok, so it's "Hidden In Sand" .. how many thousands-years old sand dunes are there around C'tis capitol swamp city?? Come one guys, start using your brain again ... it's pretty obvious that those spells are not meant to be cast everywhere with the same results ...



I beg to differ. There are a few There are a few Hidden in the Sand right under my computer chair.

[Endoperez]

Argitoth said:
I beg to differ. There are a few There are a few Hidden in the Sand right under my computer chair.



I fail to see the connection between your computer city and C'tis capital swamp city. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif


Any way, yes, it's bad enough to be almost considered a bug. That's why it's going to be changed for the next patch.

[sector24]

I have to agree, Hidden in Sand does not imply wasteland in any way. Wasteland could be tundra, scrubland, it could be perfectly farmable land that was magically cursed or salted, destroyed with a scorched earth policy of a previous war, etc. There's no reason to insult people over something that is both a description oversight and by no means obvious.

[Kristoffer O]

Ideally the spell would be uncastable in non waste provinces, but since I made the spell and not JK it turned out as it did. My programming skill are a bit limited, and I'm actually puzzled as to why you get that single commander. I see no reason for it in the code, but I tought that it was close enough. It is quite annoying that I forgot to mention the requirement in the description.

[Gregstrom]

It seems reasonable enough. All the ancient kings who couldn't afford to build pyramids in the fashionable desert locations had to make do with the local swamp or whatever, and the costs were high enough that they couldn't afford to mummify any bodyguards.

"everyone said 'you can't build a pyramid in the swamp', but I built it anyway. And it sank. Then I built another one, and that one sank as well. The third one caught fire, fell over and then sank'...

How's about a Hidden in Peat spell that uses N3D1 (or N2W2D1?) and summons bog bodies of some form?

[Aezeal]

how a bout a hidden in the bushes spell.. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Gregstrom]

One that costs 75 Nature gems, and gets the caster slapped in the face? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[NTJedi]

Arralen said:
Ok, so it's "Hidden In Sand" .. how many thousands-years old sand dunes are there around C'tis capitol swamp city?? Come one guys, start using your brain again ... it's pretty obvious that those spells are not meant to be cast everywhere with the same results ...



I agree...

On the same note 'Hidden in Snow' should not work in provinces with Heat_2 and Heat_3. Perhaps we'll see a slight adjustment with this spell as well.

[Kristoffer O]

Actually it should be easier to melt a glacier when the heat is on http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[NTJedi]

Kristoffer O said:
Actually it should be easier to melt a glacier when the heat is on http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



I was thinking a territory with more cold would have more areas for mages/units which are hidden in snow. Very little territory if any will have areas to search for hidden in the snow when the temperature is over 100o degrees. The glacier won't exist to even search.

[Endoperez]

NTJedi said:
I was thinking a territory with more cold would have more areas for mages/units which are hidden in snow. Very little territory if any will have areas to search for hidden in the snow when the temperature is over 100o degrees. The glacier won't exist to even search.



Glacier is like a magic site that doesn't produce gems: it is there, or it isn't. It might affect scales, but scales don't affect them in the short time the actual games take. It will take several generations to even notice that a glacier is melting, and that will only uncover maybe the last one hundred years or so; a pitiful amount when one considers the thousands of years it takes for a glacier to form.

[NTJedi]

Endoperez said:
It will take several generations to even notice that a glacier is melting, and that will only uncover maybe the last one hundred years or so; a pitiful amount when one considers the thousands of years it takes for a glacier to form.



No Glacier will last even a month much less several generations when the temperature is above 100o degrees F .

[quantum_mechani]

Endoperez said:
It will take several generations to even notice that a glacier is melting,

Not quite true, here there is a nearby glacier that is barely even visible from the point it used to end at 50 years ago. I don't have a problem with hidden in snow being castable anywhere though, there are about a hundred bigger thematic oddities in dominions.

[NTJedi]

quantum_mechani said:
..., there are about a hundred bigger thematic oddities in dominions.



I agree

[Aezeal]

ok ok this thread is going nowhere..

[zzcat]

A minor bug: The unit description said dust mage wear leather armor, but actually they wear robes

[Kristoffer O]

OK, that is easily fixed http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Saxon]

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