Global War (upgraded to 3.20)

[CUnknown]

Good v Evil v Neutral

For rules and other info, see the last thread (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=592479&page=0&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1), also entited 'Global War.' This thread is for discussion of the actual game, not the rules, which have been hashed out to death in the last thread.

Settings
Mods:Conceptual Balance Mod 1.21 (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=578909&page=0&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1), Global Mod (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=592479&page=0&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=&fpart=12&vc=1)
Map: Orania
Indies 3
Site Frequency 45
Money 100
Resources 125
Supplies 100
Random events common
Score Graphs on
Hall of Fame 15
Difficult Research
Renaming On

Players

GOOD (5)
Tuidjy - MA Pythium
DonCorazon - EA Tir Na Nog
Hoplosternum MA Tien Chi
CUnknown - MA Ulm
Moderation - LA Arcosephale

GOOD starting locations (not necessarily in order) = 25, 71, 122, 85, 43.

EVIL (9)
Cerlin - MA Abysia
Ylvali - EA Sauromatia
Rathar - LA Ermor
Fal - EA Lanka
Folket - MA Bandar Log
Randvek LA Mictlan
Sicaire - MA C'tis
DryaUnda - MA Machaka
otthegreat - LA Ulm

NEUTRALS (3)
QM - MA Shinuyama
IndyPendant - MA Ryleh
Kheldron - MA Pangea

My IP: 97 dot 81 dot 110 dot 40
Port: 2001

[otthegreat]

Finally! So I'm ready to start but which Ulm am I? On the server list I mean.

Also since I've only played PBEM before, how do I take my turn?

[Rathar]

I assume you put a password on your pretender so the one which lets you in with your password will be the one you are.

There are two ways to take your turn. One is to connect to the server it will download your turn and then you can disconnect and go to play an existing game. When you are done with the turn, reconnect to the server and it will upload your turn.

The other way is to connect to the server, tell it that yes you do still wish to play your nation then click on your nation name below all the national flag symbols. This will take you right into the game where you can do your stuff. When finished hit end turn and voila you are done.

Please note that if you use the second method and you do most or some of your turn and click save game and quit (under options) it will treat is as a completed turn. So if everyone else gets their turn in the turn will process and your undone things will sit there drooling.

[otthegreat]

Thank you and good luck.

[CUnknown]

otthegreat, you are the Ulm with the crown on it. I'm the Ulm with the moon. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[DonCorazon]

Thanks everyone for all the effort that went into setting this up. TNN just took their first turn sucessfully.

Evil doers - beware the wrath of Galadriel!

[Foodstamp]

Goodluck to everyone. If you have any questions feel free to ask them here. Roleplaying is encouraged http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

[Kheldron]

Finally !!!

Good luck and have fun everybody ! :-)

[DonCorazon]

Btw, are we doing anything for turn notification - posting here or email?

[Tuidjy]

Guys, there is a WEIRD problem with the game. At least the first three
nation in the list are NOT password protected. I usually try them all
to make sure that no one forgot to put a password, and as I hit nations
1, 2 and 3, I got their turns.

In a game that has such strict communication rules, this is enough to
ruin the game. PLEASE, PLEASE restart.

And let everyone make sure that their nations passwords work. I have
never seen this happen.

[Ylvali]

Could be those players simply skipped making passwords and in that case it ain´t susch a big deal.

If passwords have disappeared somehow then of course we´d have to restart.

[Tuidjy]

I'm one of these players. I do not remember skipping a password in the last
four years I've been playing Dom 2/3. Using catgod, Minevra shows a password.
It's possible I uploaded an earlier version, but seriously, do you want to ask
yourself, every turn, whether someone will blank your orders, or peek at your
position? I know I do not, and if 3 of the first 3 nations are unprotected,
what are the chances they are the only ones?

[Ylvali]

In that case I might second a restart. But it would require redesigning and resending all pretenders with no password = big delay again.

I don´t think I would be that worried about abuse really. I trust the participants. I have another game without password and I dont worry a bit. Still I guess it could make a lot of bad feelings if accusations of abuse were thrown around the forum, might be better to be secure.

Lets hear some more opinions on this.

[Kheldron]

ok for restart

[Foodstamp]

To make things easier during the restart, CU should have people email him their pretenders, as to not have to deal with the interface bug.

[DonCorazon]

fine with restart.

question if we do restart - my capital was on a wasteland - not sure if that was intentional but most MP games I have been in capital is at least a plain province or better.

[quantum_mechani]

Capital population is the same regardless.

[IndyPendant]

Love a restart here. By the time the game began, I'd be back from my trip! ; )

[Rathar]

My password poofed too but I trust people. If you cheat to win you actually lose not to mention that IP's are tracked with access times so you would also be banned from playing any games of MP. (If that isn't the case, keep quiet! Let em sweat!)

I'm good either way.

[Hoplosternum]

Happy with a restart.

I trust everyone so I am happy to carry on to.

[Fal]

well I actually forgot to set a password (I think) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif dumb....
yeah let's restart...I will make another pretender with password.

[otthegreat]

I think I forgot a password too. So, a restart would be good but I'm alright either way. Besides I called my god "Karngroth the Blood Drinder". I don't know what drinding is but I assume my people really enjoy it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

I'm going away (last minute) from Thursday to Friday so I might need a short extension for that turn.

[moderation]

I'm okay with a restart. I agree that everyone should probably have a password on their pretender.

[AlgaeNymph]

We're restarting? Okay.

[Cerlin]

So we are restarting? I am fine with it. I have my pretender still, and I remembered my password and it worked fine. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[CUnknown]

We are restarted.

Send me your pretenders (if you don't want to mess with the server) at dowdcc at yahoo dot com.

[Cerlin]

Ok, Since mine is right there easy I am Uploaded.

[Randvek]

CU: I've e-mailed my pretender to you. Please let me know if you do not receive it.

[Sicaire]

I have also sent you my MA Ctis pretender. Please PM me if you do not receive it.

[Fal]

Pretender sent via email..

[Kheldron]

same with pangea.

[Hoplosternum]

I sent my Pretender in by email a few days ago. Let me know if you didn't get it please.

[CUnknown]

Yes, I got it, Hoplosternum. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

We will probably re-start tomorrow night.

[CUnknown]

Seems I am missing a pretender for MA Ryleh. Otherwise, I believe I have everyone.

[IndyPendant]

Heh. That would be because I didn't send it. Sorry, I misunderstood the part about "...don't want to mess with the server..." and was waiting.

Pretender sent via email.

[Rathar]

Nudge!

[moderation]

Tried to log in but no dice. Is the server up?

[CUnknown]

I think I am missing Shinuyama.. I can't find it. I will look again. QM could you send (or re-send) it?

dowdcc at yahoo dot com

[Ylvali]

I will have to go away until sunday evening, just found out. It´s work stuff.

Can we wait til then? otherwise I guess I need a sub or have to bail out.

[CUnknown]

Sure, no problem. I wouldn't want you to have to bail. We've waited so long, we can wait a little longer.

But we are starting for sure on sunday with a 24-h hosting time! Be ready to rock then, guys!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[moderation]

What time on Sunday do we start? I still feel a bit crummy, but early game 5-10 minute turns shouldn't be too bad.

[CUnknown]

We are up and running!

I won't start the clock until everyone has taken at least one turn, then it will be set to 24-h quickhost.

So, Yvali, take your time, you won't stale the first turn. I was just setting things up so maybe you could take two turns in a row when you log on. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Ylvali]

Back in business.

[CUnknown]

Turn 2 up, 24-hour quickhost timer started. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Cerlin]

Hurray! The Flaming Ones of Abysia have made an aggressive start, go us. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Randvek]

Hm, are you sure 24 hour hosting is up? I played my turn yesterday, and when I log in today, it tells me there are 20 hours left.

[Folket]

Perhaps the server has rebooted for some reason.

[CUnknown]

Oh, yeah, sorry I forgot to mention that I re-set the timer. I didn't want anyone to stale. When it gets close to the end of the time, I get nervous. It seems like we should be able to avoid people staling on turn 2, heh.

Although perhaps we should just switch to 48-h quickhost and have it be a firm deadline. Although when that happens, I think people say "Oh I can take my turn tomorrow." I think people will take their turns faster with a 24-h clock, even if I am going to extend it if they don't. I'm not sure.

Instead of extending it like that, I should turn off the timer and pm the people who haven't taken their turns yet, I think.

[Fal]

let's just hope people show a little commitment and finish their turns within 24 hours. Maybe switch to 48 from turn 20?

[moderation]

Hmm, I can't seem to get into the server now. It gets stuck at "Waiting for game info" whenever I try to log in. Tried 3 times so far, including deleting the save game. Is anyone else having connection issues?

[IndyPendant]

Oh crap. I forgot to do my turn this morning! Can I get an extension just until I get home, in about 12 hours? : )

Very sorry about that. : /

[DonCorazon]

Sometimes you can alt tab and leave the hanged one, then open Dominions again (so you have 2 up and running) and the second one will work.

[moderation]

Hmm, no dice. Still stuck at the "Waiting for game info" message. I'm not sure alt tabbing would be relevant. I can shut the game down, but I cannot log in. :\

[Hoplosternum]

Me too

[DonCorazon]

I said alt-tab b/c I play in full screen mode, but o/w you're right, not relevant. The technique I described above has worked for me on Velusion's server multiple times, but I have not had any problems here so maybe its a different issue.

[Fal]

nah it's probably the server problem. Just wait till CU solves the problem.

[CUnknown]

Wow, the server is giving me an interesting error message:

"Dominions version is too old. Get an update at www.illwinter.com (http://www.illwinter.com) myversion315fileversion316 nation44"

Does anyone know what this means?

[quantum_mechani]

Yeah, I think I know what happened. I probably uploaded with the wrong dominions version.

[moderation]

What does this mean for the game?

[CUnknown]

Well, whenever I try to load it up, it gives me that error message and shuts down.

[quantum_mechani]

Hmm, I don't know the mechanics of it, but usually when this sort of thing happens the host rolls back the turn. Maybe that's not possible here.

EDIT: Have you tried removing my .2h file form the folder?

[CUnknown]

Yay! We are back up. I removed your 2H file, QM.

I guess use the most recent version and we will avoid this problem?

[quantum_mechani]

No, actually I need to remember not to use the new version until it gets released. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Fal]

is the timer even on??

[CUnknown]

LA Ulm has about 6 hours left. It is a mental timer at this point. I probably won't force-host until tomorrow morning.

[Fal]

okay cool, just wondering, thought you forgot.

[Kheldron]

timer is off, 24h spent and still no turn...

[CUnknown]

Turn 7 up.

We were waiting on Machaka. If people want me to be more strict about turn times, let me know.

[Rathar]

A few hours here and there hurt no one. Days however..

[moderation]

I think you did the right thing, CUnknown. Delaying the turns is better than letting people stale. But maybe we could all try to get our turns done in 24 hours if possible.

[Kheldron]

no problem with me. I was just asking since I thought we were on automated 24h schedule ^^

[CUnknown]

It is automated, but I check it frequently.

[moderation]

Did the server crash? It was working an hour or two ago when I sent in my turn. :\

[Rathar]

Down for me as well.

[Hoplosternum]

And me

[Randvek]

Looks like it's back up now. Just waiting on Ermor.

[CUnknown]

My internet went down, the server stayed up. Turn 9 up.

[Kheldron]

It seems you removed the special site locations of the original Orania map, CUknown. Though I dont remember reading anything about that. Is it so or is it a bug ?

[CUnknown]

I did? I don't think so.. Um.. how do you know that? I know that the extra defenders for certain provinces are still there. I assumed the extra magic sites are also still there... aren't they?

[CUnknown]

Turn 11 up.

[Fal]

up and unable to connect http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Randvek]

Fal said:
up and unable to connect http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



Same. This is annoyingly frequent. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Fal]

CU gets the most unstable server award of the year http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif just kidding.

[Hoplosternum]

Yep I can't connect either http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[CUnknown]

Just try again in a few hours. The server isn't unstable, but my internet connection is.

[Rathar]

I blame society.

[Fal]

yeah those greedy broadband companies, you good guys should wage war against them.

CU can you reset the timer when your internet is back on? It's bed time here and I'm off to london tomorrow and won't be back till sunday. I should be able to play the turn tomorrow evening though. Thanks.

[moderation]

Fal said:
yeah those greedy broadband companies, you good guys should wage war against them.




Maybe the next game can be Good and Evil vs Big Telecom. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[CUnknown]

Aha! It wasn't my internet, I maligned my internet provider unfairly. It was that "Dominions is too old" error again. QM, what have you been up to? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I am deleting your 2H file.

[otthegreat]

Well, as an Evil nation LA Ulm sees only one solution: QM must be sacrificed to appease the demons of the inferno! Mwahahaa!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

[Fal]

was reading the tread regarding 'what makes a good dominion player' just now and couldn't help but realizing how important diplomacy is...especially when you are located on the borderline between good and evil...

well the evil nations in this game are like deaf school kids who's bullied by a bunch of 'good guys' http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif ... and then robbed by another bunch of 'neutral guys'...

Lanka will fight till the end, the monkey rules you all (maybe in the afterlife, but still)!

[Randvek]

Evil nations have definitely been a little gunshy, at least to begin. I wonder if that's because of the no communication, or if we happened to get more aggressive players on Good rather than Evil.

Who's got a theory?

[CUnknown]

I think it may be the Secret Enemy thing.. people might not want to attack and risk themselves if they might end up losing the game even if Evil wins, because they never eliminated their Secret Enemy.

Also, Good is sort of forced to attack, given the set-up. From the perspective of Good, the map is a very unfriendly place.

Calling all Good and Neutral nations! We must oppose the Evil threat, or it will dominate this world. The time to act is now! Balance must be acheived, before Good is extinguished.

[Rathar]

We hesitate to say a thing lest We break the non-disclosure state of the game but (REDACTED) your time is now!

[Fal]

well, it's 99% mostly due to no communication...secret enemy thing is not really a big deal. but no communications? that takes balance out. Actually the map is a very, very friendly place for good nations.

[Hoplosternum]

LOL, well I think just the opposite.

Evil has lots of advantages:

1) Many of the Evil nations are natural rushers/strong early. There are few good nations that could have been and only one is. Most Evils are one v one better than the goods at this stage.
2) Secret Enemy is a disaster for good. Even worse if the secret enemies are not next to each other as I suspect. This means that the Evils are actively discouraged from fighting each other. So they have safe borders and silent allies. There is no evil v evil conflict. So good is heavily outnumbered by on average tougher evil nations.
3) Diplomacy is not that useful here. The goods cannot negotiate with the evils and with the Secret Enemy couldn’t convince them to fight amongst themselves even if they could. So you can’t get your enemies enemy on your side. Because he has none. All the goods can do is chat amongst themselves http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Compare this to a game like the upcoming Megagame. Imagine if your enemy could negotiate with others and you couldn’t! It would be game ending. But here its effects are small.
4) It is really hard to help anyone who is not your immediate neighbour, and with the number of enemies each good has often even helping them is tough. So in military terms we are largely fighting on our own. We can trade items and gold but that doesn’t increase the number of either and being boxed in by a ring of foes means we all need them now. We can’t specialise research much either. Everyone with combat mages needs those multiple paths. Even Construction needs multiple Good nations to research. We can’t leave it all to Ulm (the natural forger) due to his limited paths. So what advantage does this give us over Evil who can trade with Neutral for items anyway? And while we have little to summon due to game restrictions we can’t summon for each other anyway. At least none of us have to waste points on blood http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
5) If we survive in to the mid game the total lack of Thugs will be huge. Either as national commanders or because we cannot summon death or blood leaders. Most nations with national thugs - Agartha, the Giants, ones with decent national summons etc - were not possible picks.

This doesn’t mean that Good has no chance. Pythium and/or Arco have decent mid-end games so if they make it that far they could do well, even sneak a win. The mechanics then will work for them. If a couple of Evils are dead then most Evils don’t want them to die as that means they lose too. Nor will the neutrals be able to abandon them as they to lose if they die at that point. So they have numerous 'allies'. But the 'good' team aspect doesn't help them at all.

But as a Team game the map and mechanics of the game don’t work. Good can’t help each other much and Evil and the Neutrals are not in teams.

If you look at the graphs you will see that most of the goods are doing badly. Some very badly http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Three of the five goods net lost provinces last turn.

The good team made a lot of strategic mistakes. Pretender design, nations picked etc. But the deck is massively stacked against us whatever we had done. ‘Team’ good has no chance with this set up, but it is possible when a Good nation will survive a long time due to the game mechanics.

[Fal]

Yes believe whatever you want, TC, our monkeys will take you out of the picture soon!

[CUnknown]

I think Good made a lot of mistakes and had some bad luck.. we could be a lot more competitive right now in different circumstances. I don't think the game concept is necessarily fundamentally flawed.. but it would take more tries at this type of game to see. It's definitely not clear that it is fundamentally balanced, anyway. Evil definitely seems to have an advantage over Good, so far.

[Fal]

yes I agree, I have sent plenty of scouts around the world this time and I noticed good nations have definitely made some bad mistakes in the initial expansion phase. I don't think the concept is fundamentally flawed, but certain aspects can be tweaked...let's fight on and see.

[Kheldron]

I dont know how you can decide that things are unbalanced at this point when no real struggle has begun, with evils looking at each other as cats in a box and neutrals standing in between...at least you don't have to wonder from where shall come the next blow !

[Randvek]

Hoplosternum said:
2) Secret Enemy is a disaster for good. Even worse if the secret enemies are not next to each other as I suspect. This means that the Evils are actively discouraged from fighting each other. So they have safe borders and silent allies. There is no evil v evil conflict. So good is heavily outnumbered by on average tougher evil nations.




It sounded like Foodstamp set up secret enemies purely randomly. If so, I suspect that one or two evils are next to a secret enemy and the others are not. At least, that's the impression I am under.

[Fal]

Kheldron said:
I dont know how you can decide that things are unbalanced at this point when no real struggle has begun, with evils looking at each other as cats in a box and neutrals standing in between...at least you don't have to wonder from where shall come the next blow !



well, you obviously don't know what's going on in the world. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[otthegreat]

Lack of communication has been a disaster for me. I've lost ### armies because I attacked the same neutral province as my neighbor!

[CUnknown]

Well, maybe things are fairly balanced, then.. Good might be overreacting slightly.. We're still in this thing!

Onward, Good Soldiers! Time to spread the light of virtue on their @sses!

[Cerlin]

Hey all! Posting here because I have a problem!
After the long time it took to start this game, my time has come to move to japan within the next week. While by itself not a problem, we are too soon in the game for me to keep participating every 24 hours past next week.

I will probably need a perm sub for abysia who isnt bad at the nation. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I wanted to post in here first before I make a post about it in the general forum. But I will do that next too if you all feel it is as appropriate as i do.

[CUnknown]

The game might be over by next week, man. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Well, the Neutral nations will still probably be in it, but Good will likely be all but destroyed in 7 turns.

Maybe after some Goods are eliminated, they can switch to the winning side and take over Abysia. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Hoplosternum]

But don't the Evils only have to knock out the goods to win? and their secret enemy of course http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[CUnknown]

No, the Evils have to kill all the Goods and Neutrals to win.

[moderation]

Hmm, there's not much I can add to this except to add that this type of game is inherently hard to balance. Maybe we'll get it right the next time around. Unfortunately, having a large number of allies in Dom 3 introduces a lot of inefficiencies since you have to spend a whole turn sending gold or gems or items between each other. And having forts in provinces next to your ally also hurt you because you cannot get resources from their provinces. Maybe with more space and time to expand it would not be such an issue because then allies will not have to worry about micromanaging a very small pool of gems and gold in an early war.

Also, some of the evil nations getting lucky enough to start in the middle of high income grasslands (like Abysia and Ermor and Lanka) has also skewed the balance a lot. If we do this again, it would be important to carefully consider the map and maybe build a custom map for the game. I'm not too unhappy about it though. I'd consider this game a beta test, I think games with such large teams are uncommon, and therefore it will take a good deal of testing to get this type of game balanced.

[Hoplosternum]

CUnknown said:
No, the Evils have to kill all the Goods and Neutrals to win.



Then we are really really screwed http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Kheldron]

Let's see how the game plays out before deciding it's over and things are unbalanced please. AFAIK goods are still around, even if in bad shape, and neutrals fare fairly well so...

IMO the main problem with goods and evils is they are fundamentaly at an advantage at different stage of the game.
Goods should have a growing advantage as time passes due to synergies increasing while evils should have an advantage at start by sheer numbers and postponing of secret enemies wars.
And that's exactly what we get.
Besides, neutrals are supposed to balance out things in middle...well, we're just entering mid-game, I don't see how we can judge anything at this point.

[Hoplosternum]

I know I am complaining :p But I don't mean any criticism by it. This was an experiment. It is hard to balance these type of games. When we were planning the game it was not clear to me at least that it would be so uneven.

And as with all team games it's been fun and interesting discussing strategy and tactics within the team. Even though it has been clear for some time that we would lose quickly.

But this game clearly isn't very balanced. It doesn't seem to be that much fun for all the Evils either as some of them are complaining too!

I am definitely up for another themed team game after this. But I think having everyone in teams and allowing diplomacy between teams would have been better.

[Kheldron]

you know, in real life, when you've got a war ( cold or not) going on between two nations, if they still want to communicate they use intermediaries.
In this game you can also use them, and guess what, they're called Neutrals...

[Fal]

Kheldron said:
IMO the main problem with goods and evils is they are fundamentaly at an advantage at different stage of the game.
Goods should have a growing advantage as time passes due to synergies increasing while evils should have an advantage at start by sheer numbers and postponing of secret enemies wars.
And that's exactly what we get.



very true, good nation will gain advantage later on in the game. That's why i chose Lanka, which is naturally good at rushing, knowing that time is not on evil's side, I played rather aggressively this time. some good nations have been quite incompetent in the initial expansion phase, but they made their own mistakes, can't blame the game balance.

I personally don't think this game can be balanced. If the game is to start over however, IMO the good nations don't need to be next to each other, which might be better for them. and maybe have less evil players - they are going to be allied anyways, maybe ban double 9 blessing as well. And I still think secret enemy is a stupid idea and isn't going to change anything, say if we were to use secret enemy this time, my two enemies is located no where near me and even if they were I would still rush the good nations out before I attack them.

[IndyPendant]

Heh. Another thing to consider too: we have spent posts and posts making much on how evil gets the early game advantage, but good will gain a huge advantage late game, when their synergies start to truly pay off.

Now. If you were playing evil, and heard that, what would *you* do? I don't know about you, but I would be thinking "Right. Top priority? Get good out of the game before they grow too powerful."

What good needs to do in a game like this is strategize for beating off the hordes of enemies early game so they can survive to end game. Perhaps with an SC pretender, or maybe a double-bless of their own.

I am curious though; I started too far away from most goods to see. What were these 'horrible mistakes' everyone seems to agree good made?

[CUnknown]

I agree with Fal.. I don't think the game itself was unbalanced for sure.. (although maybe the map set-up was) and that Good made some mistakes. We could have done a much better job, even given the map and everything.

I don't think we should ban the double-9 blessing, Fal. You are doing everything you are supposed to be doing, it's just that we should have defended better. We should have had a plan for when Lanka and Ermor appeared on our borders in serious numbers on turn 9. We didn't.

Kheldron - we will be continuing to play this game. I will keep fighting until the end!! But, given some of the events unfolding in recent turns, that end is approaching for Good.

We might be able to survive with maybe half our number (2 or 3 players) alive out of the original 5. The problem is, no matter what the Neutrals do at that point, I'm still pretty sure the Evils will press and finish us off. But, we'll have to see how it goes.

If anything, for next game (if we do another one) we should play on a slightly larger map or with slightly fewer players. Good would have done much, much better had we had maybe even 2-3 more turns before meeting the enemy.

[Randvek]

I wonder that, too, IndyPendant. I must be on the wrong side of the map, cause I don't see any horrible mistakes on good's part.

[Fal]

I haven't seen any fatal mistakes either, but I've seen good being very slow in expansion. I assume the expansion phase must have been a chaos and not coordinated between players, many rich provinces were left unattended, despite the fact they are very lightly guarded (I almost tempted to attack some provinces with my scout!). defense in choke points was not established timely; to my surprise the nations bordering evil seems doing a lot of early research/site searching instead of harassing their enemies. Pythium was very 'timely' attacked by a bunch of barbarians (HAHAHA) but he also made a number of tactical blunders.

Other than these I don't know what other disasters have struck the good. But they could recover, the war is far from over yet.

[CUnknown]

Yeah.. maybe we Goods should bite our tongues and just play the game! This past turn didn't go so badly for us. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Our morale is just very poor for some reason. Things could be worse. Our position is probably salvageable at this point.

Good warriors, don't lose faith! We will smash the evil-doers and save the planet! Yeah!!!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/stupid.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/stupid.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[DonCorazon]

TNN is fine. We had some bad luck when so-called Indie 3 settings handed us some lemons in the form of an elephant rich, then a heavy cavalry rich province – not at all what our test games told us to expect. But otherwise, we continue to fight the good fight. Spirits are high, despite the whining that we have learned to tune out. It is all about having fun, even in the face of doom.

And leaving Sauro’s hydras stranded on their way to lift the Arcos siege alone will make this game worth having played.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[otthegreat]

An unspecified nation that surprise attacked me this turn will die!! No mercy for your deceitful anonymous nation. LA Ulm will not rest util your people/monsters/animals/etc are utterly destroyed.

[Fal]

Yes! Fight, FIGHT! Fight each other to the death!

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[Randvek]

Fal said:
Pythium was very 'timely' attacked by a bunch of barbarians (HAHAHA) but he also made a number of tactical blunders.




I feel Pythium's pain. I've had my fair share of barbarians early on, too.

[moderation]

Is the 24 hour time up yet? I don't mind waiting a little longer for turns, but maybe people could announce in the thread if they need a bit more time.

[Fal]

yes, I do need a little bit more time, sorry, am very busy these days, moving home.

[CUnknown]

Fal, no problem! I see you have taken your turn now, too.

Yvali - your Sauromatia has not taken its turn yet. This would be your second stale in a row. If you have given up hope, you should probably get a sub or go AI. In fact, if you stale again, I will probably turn you AI unless Evil has objections to that.

[otthegreat]

Fal said:
Yes! Fight, FIGHT! Fight each other to the death!

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Hmm... you sound very enthusiastic. I'm not possibly your secret enemy am I?

[Fal]

Thanks CU, the next few days should be fine, but I will get really busy next weekend, would appreciate if you could turn the game to 48 hours then.

Otthergreat, nope, hehe, I'm just role playing, you know, being evil and all...

[CUnknown]

Sure Fal, no problem.

Evil must die!!!!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif
I don't want to whine or talk about balance anymore until the game is over. Only smack talk from here on out!!

DIE EVILDOERS!! Starting with you, Bandar!!! HAHAHAHA!!! /threads/images/Graemlins/Envy.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/Envy.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/Envy.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/Envy.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/Envy.gif

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Randvek]

Evil appears to be on the verge of losing its first member. Why was good moaning, again? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Tuidjy]

Good should shut up. Moaning to each other is OK, but we should not be talking
to Evil... even trash talk is too much.

[Rathar]

I for one am gaining a good deal of intel.

Thanks much!

[moderation]

CUnknown, that sentiment seems most ungoodish! I'm sure that it is written somewhere in our holy scriptures that we must not use the blasphemous emoticon color of the evils.

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[Randvek]

Should we find a sub for Mictlan? I'm on the verge of being taken out, and I don't particularly want to keep going. Or should I AI? I'm thinking it's down to 7v5 real quick. Neither Sauro nor I had a good elephant counter.

[otthegreat]

I can't connect to the server and won't have a chance for the rest of the day. Can we delay hosting by about 24 hours?

[Zeldor]

Cerlin:

Ha, gotta visit Japan some day. Too expensive now :/ I though about going to university there, but I would need to know Japanese and have some small fortune to spend for tuition and living.

P.S. There are some really nice Japanese girsl at our dormitory in Xi'An http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[CUnknown]

The server is back up (lightning last night turned off power).

I think we will just switch to 48-h quickhost now.

[Fal]

okay great, a very timely switch.

[moderation]

Okay, this is totally off topic, but I want to visit Japan someday too. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[moderation]

Is the server down again?

[CUnknown]

Server should be up... are you have problems connecting?

[moderation]

It's working for me now.

[CUnknown]

There are 3 hours left in the turn. I hope no one minds me turning Sauromatia AI if he stales again.

[Kheldron]

No problem with me, he already seems quite AI to me.
BTW we're now on a full 48h timing, I don't mind either if we automate it again.

[CUnknown]

I forgot, Cerlin must be in Japan by now. We will need to get him a sub.

[CUnknown]

Do people mind waiting for Baalz to take over Abysia? I don't know his password, or Baalz would have taken over already.

[Fal]

heard it's possible to recover the password. maybe ask other game admins here.

[moderation]

How do you go about recovering a password?

[Kheldron]

I don't know it's even possible to recover a password but it would be fine if we could reach a decision...is the game still running ? should we turn Abysia AI? I'm completely ok with turning Abysia to Baalz...if it's possible and doesn't take a month to do so.

What do we do ?

[Tuidjy]

Of all the people to take over Abysia, it had to be Baalz? Damn.

[Fal]

well, Abysia is pretty important for evil. so no I'd rather not see him being turned to AI. What is it with people just leave the game without any warning and leaving their password???

[CUnknown]

No, he did give warning. We just didn't pay much attention to him. Read back through the thread.. When I saw Abysia stale, I thought... 'Hey didn't someone say they were going to Japan?' And.. yep, it was Abysia.

It would have been nice for him to send Foodstamp his password, though, you're right.

Hey, Foodstamp! Why don't you take over as temp for Abysia in the meantime (using the master password), until we get his password?

[Foodstamp]

Abysia's turn is complete. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[CUnknown]

Meaning, *turns up, dudes!!!*

[Kheldron]

Now that we found a reliable sub for abysia, can't we finally turn to a real automated 48h schedule?
I say that because it seems the timer has been reset again this morning after running for 30h or so, not mentioning the week pause earlier.
Frankly, the game has come to a pace at which I'm starting to forget it at times, which is as bad as I can get as a geek ^^

CU, please make it automated so as to speed people a bit. 48h schedule was what was agreed upon at start and the game isn't so advanced that we need a 72h or 96h timer I think.

But it may be just me so enthralled in this game that I can't wait ? ;-)

[Baalz]

So am I still subbing or is Foodstamp gonna stay on? Just PM me if the pw shows up and you still need me, I'm not really following this thread at the moment. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[CUnknown]

I had to restart my computer, that's why the timer reset. You're probably right that I should start letting people stale if necessary to speed up this game.

However, with Abysia gone, and no password in sight, we still have a problem which will delay us. I'm not sure what to do about it, either. Foodstamp has seen the entire map... it's not quite fair that he stay on as Abysia. I mean, it would be the same if we just gave Baalz the master password to take Abysia's turns with.

We could do that, but as much as we trust Baalz, I'm not sure team Good would be happy with that solution.

I guess that is an option.. if this goes on any longer, we will take that option, I guess.

[quantum_mechani]

I have no objection to simply giving Baalz the password. Even with someone less proven, I'd be fine with it- I don't think there is much intersection between people willing to cheat and people willing to sub.

[CUnknown]

Okay, let's do it then. Baalz will get the master password so he can sub for Abysia.

[Kheldron]

That may be foolish but I quite agree with QM. Just hope it's not http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Baalz]

Evil Will Always Triumph because Good Is Dumb.

The new Burninator has assumed the mantle, anger him at your own risk.

[IndyPendant]

The universe, they said, depended for its operation on the balance of four forces which they identified as charm, persuasion, uncertainty and bloody-mindedness.

[moderation]

Actually, we believe that the universe depends on the balance of a different set of four forces: fighter, thief, cleric and wizard. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[CUnknown]

You should GOR a fire drake and name him Trogdor!!!

[moderation]

And make him your prophet!

[Kheldron]

mmm...I think I broke a rule last turn :
To avoid any incident, I stated to a player that I intended to invade a province "this very month".
I realize I could have said that I shall claim the province in the near future, but certainly not "this very month", which may then be a kind of coordination.

Is there a way to atone?

[Baalz]

THE BURNINATOR REQUIRES ATONEMENT. YOUR SOUL IS FORFEIT, DOOMED TO BE ROAST SLOWLY IN THE ETERNAL PYRE FOREVER.

[Kheldron]

now that's bad : my soul is fireproof http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Rathar]

100000000000000000 and 6 gems to all of us or....

[Fal]

yeah cast Nexus within 5 turns and give other evil nations 80% of its share or else...

[Foodstamp]

Baalz, your secret enemy has been sent to you via PM.

Goodluck!

[Baalz]

THE BURNINATOR'S ENEMY IS NO SECRET. THE BURNINATOR'S ENEMY IS PEASANTS.

[Kheldron]

I'm happy to learn I'm no enemy to you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[moderation]

The 48 hours is almost up. Can we please stick to a 48 hour schedule barring the rare need for an extension?

[Rathar]

Eep. sorry! I shall get my turn in after breakfast!

[Fal]

sorry I stalled twice, have been traveling and didn't have access to the game. looks like I missed two key turns too. Time to die pythium, it won't be so easy from now on...

[Kheldron]

Is it me or the server's down?
I hope it won't again reset the timer... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif

[Hoplosternum]

I can't get in either....

[moderation]

Doesn't work for me either. I think CUnknown may be on the road. Hopefully it can be fixed easily.

Also, Good Team, check your hundreds of team emails. Or at least the latest one. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Fal]

sorry guys I can't connect at the moment. I'm traveling long distance again in a few hours. So probably won't be able to play due to jet-lag. Could I have a 12 hours extension please.

Sorry about this.

[CUnknown]

I don't know why my computer is down -- well, it could be the computer itself shut off for some reason (maybe a power surge), or my internet is down.

If it's the internet, it will come back up in a few hours probably. If it's the computer, we will have to wait until saturday or sunday to start the game up again, because I am out of town.

[Hoplosternum]

I can't get in to the game either. I have tried 3 or 4 times in the last 24 hours....

[Tuidjy]

Guys, I have to fly to Europe in a few hours. I had no notice whatsoever,
which is why I did not give you any. I will try my best to take my turns...
but I hoped to at least be able to take my turn before I left, and it seems
I will not be able to do so.

[moderation]

Thanks for letting us know anyway. Have you had any luck finding a short term sub? I can ask around if that helps.

[AlgaeNymph]

Is Global War updated for 3.17?

[Kheldron]

Have you sent your password to foodstamp so that we can find a sub ?

[CUnknown]

Global War will be updated as soon as I get home (sunday). And actually, the week after next, I will be away as well. I will try to get a sub.

[Tuidjy]

Actually, I found Internet access. I had sent my turn to the host via e-mail,
so everything should be OK... now if I can only find the damn mods that I keep
forgetting when I transfer games...


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Hmm, I spoke too soon. Is the server down? I cannot connect.

[fictionfan]

IndyPendant said:
The universe, they said, depended for its operation on the balance of four forces which they identified as charm, persuasion, uncertainty and bloody-mindedness.



that is from the disk world. hi brother http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[CUnknown]

I'm sorry about the delay everyone. I'm not sure what happened. The server is up again now.

I am going away again next week, I will try the same sort of set up as last time -- hopefully it will work and my computer will stay up for the whole week. I'm not sure what else to do.

[CUnknown]

It looks like the server just crashed because someone (Pythium, I believe) loaded up the turn using the most recent patch. I haven't updated the server yet (I will after this current turn hosts). Please take your turn using 3.15 for one more turn. Again, sorry for the delay.

[DonCorazon]

I took my turn awhile ago before the patch, but patched a couple days ago, then connected to the server today to check on things and it must have auto uploaded. I am not really sure how to go back and take the turn on a pre-patch basis. Argh.

[CUnknown]

I don't think it was you, DonCorazon.. Did it crash on you? If so, I guess it was you. I removed Pythium's 2H file and the server was able to go back up, so I think it was him.

[DonCorazon]

No - it didn't crash on me.

[Rathar]

Can't we just patch the server? I've already patched and haven't put in a turn yet I think.

[Hoplosternum]

Same here. But I can't remember if I have played my turn or not....

[Baalz]

Oy, I've already patched as well and am afraid to connect to see if its hosted. I've already played last turn though, so if not somebody just post when it's hosted.

[CUnknown]

I suppose it won't hurt to patch? The thing is, half the people already have loaded up their turns using the previous patch.. will that cause problems if I patch?

[Kheldron]

We may have to reload our turn I think but no big deal...?

[moderation]

So do we upload our turns in 3.17 or 3.15? I don't want to crash the server. :\

Also, I checked the server last night and it was working, but it seems to be down again today. Can anyone else connect?

[Rathar]

It seems easier to patch it and have those with old patch turns redo them than for the rest to figure out a way to uninstall a patch.

[CUnknown]

It is back up now, Moderation.

Okay, I will patch the server now.

[CUnknown]

Server patched and back up with no noticeable problems.

Everyone has taken their turn but: Ctis, Shinuyama, Arcosephale, and Ermor.

[quantum_mechani]

Hmm, what does this mean for people that already uploaded under the old patch?

[moderation]

Wouldn't opening and sending your turn in 3.17 fix resolve any problems?

[Rathar]

I am nearly certain that if you uploaded an old turn you gotta do it again.

[Hoplosternum]

Hmmm. It seemed to open my half done turn OK and let me make changes and save fine.

[Rathar]

I just popped in my turn. Sorry for the delay! Hope it likes the mix of new and old turns.

[moderation]

Submitting a half finished turn in 3.17 should make everything 3.17, shouldn't it?

[Rathar]

Seems to be ok. I did my turn in 3.17 and it processed and I can get in for results. Nifty.

[Kheldron]

Is it me or the server's down?

[Hoplosternum]

It's down for me too

[IndyPendant]

Is it just me, or is this server up and down more often than a frog on a hotplate? ; )

[Rathar]

At least our host is astoundingly attentive. I think he(she?) mentioned that their internet is wonky at times.

Oh and Die Goods Die!

[CUnknown]

I don't know what the deal is.. I've never had this much trouble before with it.. Sorry for this, guys. This time I know it's my internet. I re-set the timer. I think when I am away next week, I will turn off the timer and just leave it quickhost.

[Baalz]

THE BURNINATOR RAMPAGES AS THE WEAK FOOLS IN PYTHIUM COWER UNDER ANY ROCK THEY CAN FIND. THE PYRES BURN HIGH AS BODIES ARE STACKED LIKE CORDWOOD. LET THE LIMP WRISTED HUDDLE OF "GOOD" SAVE HIM IF THEY CAN, FOR BURNINATION COMES TO EACH OF YOU NEXT.

[Kheldron]

It's ok CU we all know you're reacting as fast as possible.

Let's just go on quickhost for next week but that will ask for a pledge of all of us to do our turn on schedule !

Cmon guys, dont let the BURNINATOR scare the *beep* out of you, let's fight !!! ;-)

[DonCorazon]

Bah..the Burninator is nothing more than a talking DuraFlame. Nothing that a little Sidhe rain can’t quench.

[CUnknown]

Your abominable flame may burn high, but the light of VIRTUE shines even HIGHER!

Pythium is more than capable of taking care of himself. Turn your eyes skyward, oh unholy fiery one, and wait... listen... can you hear your doom approaching?

Edit: oh, the server is back up now.

[CUnknown]

Okay, new turn up. I am going away for the week (but I found a sub). I will turn off the game timer while I am away, quickhost on. So if my internet spasms out again, it's not a big deal, no one will miss a turn.

I have checked the weather, looks like there is a chance of thunderstorms thursday and friday. It is possible that my house might lose power on one of those days.

I am putting a sign on my computer as well (roommates do not use!).

So hopefully the server will remain up at least until thursday.

[DonCorazon]

TNN thanks Abyssia for the new ornament sent to the Sidhe Queen. The head of the Burninator's prophet, Ben-Japheth, now illuminates the queen's hall and provides a pleasant red glow.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Baalz]

THIS DEMONBRED WAS NOT THE BURNINATOR'S PROPHET, HE WAS THE PROPHET OF THE OLD KING. ALL KNOW BURNINATOR'S PROPHET IS TROGDOR AND HE WILL BE UNLEASHED UPON THE WORLD SOON IN ALL HIS MAJESTY.

[DonCorazon]

Good! More Abysian head / lava lamps for the Sidhe Queen's Hall!

[Kheldron]

Ok pals,

CU has shut off the timer but hopefully each and everyone of us will feel honorbound (even evils! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smirk.gif) to complete their turn in a 48h schedule...or so I hope http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Who knows? We may even be lucky enough to be able to do TWO turns this week !?! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/stupid.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Fal]

sorry guys have you turned me AI yet? I haven't had access to my own laptop/desktop for a little while and I just stupidly forgot all my MP game. I assume pythium has taken advantage and managed to turn the wheel of fortune?

Anyways sorry about this people, could have found a sub but had a total hectic month, new job/new flat/new everything...:p

[Rathar]

3 evils gone AI... Weak is all I have to say, damn weak of you guys.

At least I'll have something to blame.

[DonCorazon]

Fal said:
sorry guys have you turned me AI yet?



No, I think you need to do that yourself.

[quantum_mechani]

We should at least attempt to find a sub before that.

[Kheldron]

Fal can you send your password to Foodstamp so that at least we can find a sub?
It would be nice if people thought of this before going absent.

As I understand it, with CU having turned off the timer, we're in for a week-long turn http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif

[Fal]

okay have sent my password to Footstamp. sorry again.

[Kheldron]

Does anyone know if Arco and Pythium still play ?

With Lanka, they're always last to play...if they play.

[Foodstamp]

I have checked Lanka's position, it is still competitive if you know of anyone looking for a game to get into. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif. PM me for the password, super secret enemy info etc!

[moderation]

Sorry about the delay all. Considering that Ulm and Pythium are on trips and that Lanka is seeking a sub, it's been an unlucky week. I wish we had the foresight to suggest a hosting extension to everyone earlier. In any case, my turn has been posted.

[Kheldron]

Good to hear from you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
Sorry if I put some pressure on some of you but with people starting to lose and turning AI (which is alright as at the end There can only be one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)...I wanted to check who was still in and who was out.
I'm really glad to hear you're still in and fighting pals !! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[moderation]

No worries. Playing a team game with 5 players is by it's nature rather complicated for me. You should see the traffic on our email list some day. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif But after all, this is all just an experiment.

By the way, has a sub for Lanka been found or did Foodstamp play his last turn?

[Foodstamp]

I have flipped Lanka to AI.

[Kheldron]

It must be obvious to many but I wonder if everyone know that this game can be played via a simple USB key, and so from any computer ? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

It only takes 500Mo or so and doesnt need an uber quad-core nvidia-buffed machine, so basically any of you who goes on a trip and have any acces to internet during his trip should be able to play. At least if he wants to http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

Again, I may be stating the obvious http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif

[IndyPendant]

I'm starting to forget to check this game, not that it really matters. I just checked it for the first time in 2-3 days, and it still hasn't come to a new turn.

What was I doing this turn? I don't remember exactly...

[moderation]

Tuidjy, if you get a chance, could you let us know how things are and when you may be back from your trip? People have been asking about you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Also, I found a funny bug. When I click on EA Sauro's flag in the screen with all the colored flags where it says "GlobalWar Turn 25", the game crashes. Does this happen for anyone else? The game does not crash if I click on anyone else's flag.

[Hoplosternum]

Just thought the game header needed updating http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[moderation]

Can't we all just get along instead? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Kheldron]

I'm sorry you reached that point Indy, more so since I'm really interested in this game.

This leads me to some questions (vote?) I'd like to ask :

1/ Would it be so hard to have all good subing for each other if needed since they're already allied and can share everything in the game ?

2/ Can we put back the timer and NEVER EVER, under any circumstance, put it off again ?

3/ Can anyone who knows he's going out for a trip (business or not) decide in advance if he's going to be able to play or please please warn us in advance so we can look for a sub?
And as I said in a previous post, the game can be played via a simple USB key on any computer with internet access.

Again, I'm not trying to stress anyone. I'm just looking for solutions to avoid losing fast-playing motivated players.

[Hoplosternum]

Hi Kheldron,

This has been a learning game for the balance of the format for the game organiser. I can see why he has kept stopping the timer. But I think in general it has been a mistake as the game has drifted a lot.

And once you have started stopping the game for one person you it's hard to then refuse another request. And looking at the boards it seems fairly hard to get subs, especially temporary ones (??)

But perhaps the stopping is something not to be done again unless everyone has signed up for a relaxed game?

[Foodstamp]

Let me know if you guys want me to force host Pythium, that should get the ball rolling again.

[moderation]

The server seems to be down anyway. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Also, I've been wondering, if Tuidjy does not return for a while, maybe CU could sub for Tuidjy since he is on the same machine...

[Kheldron]

yeah, that's why I asked for the goods to sub for each other. There's no problem IMO since they already can exchange any kind of information

[Tuidjy]

OK, I am back from Europe, and should be able to play regularly. But before I
got on the plane, my nation was not the only one holding the game. I am positive
there was someone else. Now I cannot connect.

[Foodstamp]

If you are Pythium, you are the last. But the server is down at the moment, and not on a force host schedule, so you should not have any problem getting your turn in. Just be sure to let the host know when he gets back that you need to take your turn.

[moderation]

Kheldron said:
yeah, that's why I asked for the goods to sub for each other. There's no problem IMO since they already can exchange any kind of information



I think the problem with this is that there would be a CD key conflict. See http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=dom3&Number=609160&fpart=1 &PHPSESSID= for more information.

However, I think the host might be able to to play more than one nation from the same machine, but am not sure.

[CUnknown]

I'm back!

Was not a single turn taken when I was away? The server was up for pretty much the whole time, right?

I'm sort of glad, but on the other hand that is strange. As long as it wasn't me who was holding things up.