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Companion
May 2nd, 2008, 06:15 AM
Bug report:

Obat 11 Russia Unit 807 [203mm 2A44 Pl] has as its weapon

[152mm D20 FH CM] (weapon 229)

instead of some other 203mm guns.


Question:
I skimmed through Russian section of Encyclopedia and found out that T-72B(M) has been given an ATGM called "9M119M1 Invar-M"
Wasn't Invar the Indian name for Refleks? And is it true that it can penetrate about 900mm ? Then why T-80s and 90s are given Refleks series that have lower penetration capability than Invar-M ?
Any piece of information please, it really shook my curiosity.

And does anyone know for what round each tankgun corresponds to?

i.e: 125mm Gun 88 = 3BM42
105mm M68 83 = M833

Thanks,


- Comp

Djuice
May 2nd, 2008, 07:08 AM
Regarding the 125mm GL-ATGM, the ones that I know of are the 9M112 Kobra for the T-64B/80B series, 9M119/9M119M Svir/Refleks for the T-72/80/90 series. These have a penetration ranging from 600-750mm of RHAe.

The 9M119M1 Reflek-M is a modernised 9M119M Reflek, it has an improved warhead with can penetration 750-850mm of RHAe.

The Ukrainians has the Kombat GL-ATGM which has similar performance to the 9M119M series.

Marek_Tucan
May 2nd, 2008, 07:28 AM
re lower penetration: due to need for cash Russian army might now get worse equipment than customers abroad, no?

Djuice
May 2nd, 2008, 07:41 AM
I wouldn't say so, the Russian recently developed the RPG-28, which has a 125mm caliber warhead compared against the older RPG-27/29. Which improves it's penetration to over 900mm of RHAe compared against the 650/750mm on the RPG-29.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a293/maniali/RPG-28.jpg

Marek_Tucan
May 2nd, 2008, 08:01 AM
That they developped it doesn't mean they'll buy it for their army http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

DRG
May 2nd, 2008, 10:01 AM
Companion said:
Bug report:

Obat 11 Russia Unit 807 [203mm 2A44 Pl] has as its weapon

[152mm D20 FH CM] (weapon 229)



http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif Oops.... Yeah there's actually a couple other little changes I should have made involving that weapon.

On the next list...

Don

KraMax
May 2nd, 2008, 02:15 PM
Companion said:
Bug report:

Obat 11 Russia Unit 807 [203mm 2A44 Pl] has as its weapon

[152mm D20 FH CM] (weapon 229)

instead of some other 203mm guns.


Question:
I skimmed through Russian section of Encyclopedia and found out that T-72B(M) has been given an ATGM called "9M119M1 Invar-M"
Wasn't Invar the Indian name for Refleks? And is it true that it can penetrate about 900mm ? Then why T-80s and 90s are given Refleks series that have lower penetration capability than Invar-M ?
Any piece of information please, it really shook my curiosity.

And does anyone know for what round each tankgun corresponds to?

i.e: 125mm Gun 88 = 3BM42
105mm M68 83 = M833

Thanks,


- Comp



Invar and invar-M are names missiles used in the Russian army.

KraMax
May 2nd, 2008, 02:19 PM
Djuice said:
Regarding the 125mm GL-ATGM, the ones that I know of are the 9M112 Kobra for the T-64B/80B series, 9M119/9M119M Svir/Refleks for the T-72/80/90 series. These have a penetration ranging from 600-750mm of RHAe.

The 9M119M1 Reflek-M is a modernised 9M119M Reflek, it has an improved warhead with can penetration 750-850mm of RHAe.

The Ukrainians has the Kombat GL-ATGM which has similar performance to the 9M119M series.



You confuse names missiles and names of systems as a whole - for example, missiles ATGM Refleks 9M119 is used on tanks T-72 as a part of system Svir. On tanks T-90 both T-80 system and missiles ATGM were called Refleks. Also there are systems and missiles ATGM for guns 100mm with different names and names of systems.

Companion
May 5th, 2008, 06:15 AM
Will anyone help me on "weapon ID" question?

Are 125mm gun 00/03/05 (these have ingame sabot pen value of 70~90 level) representations of "what-if" weapons made in the past but somehow survived?
To my knowledge best and most recent Russian APFSDS round is 3BM-42M with penetration value of something between 700~800 RHA at 0m, 0 degrees.

Any help is appreciated http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


Edit: Changed somewhat arrogant and hostile sentences.

Lampshade111
May 11th, 2008, 03:24 AM
Another bug found. The 2A72 autocannon as used on the BMP-3 and BMD-4 among other vehicles has been replaced by the 30mm GSh-30-1 aircraft cannon.

DRG
May 12th, 2008, 11:17 AM
Lampshade111 said:
Another bug found. The 2A72 autocannon as used on the BMP-3 and BMD-4 among other vehicles has been replaced by the 30mm GSh-30-1 aircraft cannon.



Yeah that was a cut-and-paste error from the v4 upgrade. S**T happens when there are 14906 weapons to service in those OOB's. IDK why it happened exacly but I can guess.That one had already been reported on the "Russian weapons v4 " thread where you will find every trivial or not so trivial perceived "error" in that OOB.

If you are interested in correcting it in your OOB I would cut and paste weapon 77 (30mm 2A42 A/C ) then rename that 30mm 2A72 A/C then change the following

AP PEN 10
SABOT PEN 12
SABOT RANGE 50

and you'll be good to go.

Don

Lampshade111
May 12th, 2008, 02:44 PM
Okay thanks, I could also copy the weapon from the South Korean or some other OOB with BMP-3s I suppose.