Aquarium - Started - FIGHT!

[Aezeal]

Sign up here for a 10-15 player MA game

I'm thinking
17 prov/player
15 Hof
graphs on
5 strenght indies
24h / turn, later adjusted to 48, extensions when needed (preferably no longer extentions than 24 hour though)
VP win conditions: VP in each capitol, 50% needed to win

I'll be needing a nice map and if anyone has something somewhere I'd be gratefull for that too.

Once we have a decent number of pplz we'll get llama to set it up and then I'll just start being the moderator and we'll have us some fun.

The cheapest tricks that are not allowed in other games are not allowed here either. (think using target commanders option except for bogus and his gang etc.)

update 6-5

I think we are nearly full
Aezeal - Pythium
Excecutor - Ermor
Evildesirez - Eriu
Karlem -Ryleh
Aethyr -Tien Chi
LDiCesare - Arcocephale
Kuritza - Marignon
Bananadine Shinuyama
sumlost - mictlan
Griefan - bandarlog
Johnarryn - atlantis
Cicidine - C'tis
Ossa - ?
Zenzei - ?
Meister Miagi - Ulm

If the last 3 can give (another) choice then we'll keep it at that unless some one begs me to be in then maybe I'll let a 15th player in.

I still need a map though I think the adjusted parganos (?) map often used on llama is a bit to small for this (especially since I want a bit more than 15 prov/player to have a bit more time before pplz meet/ have to kill)

If anyone can help me with a map I'd be gratefull, I'll be asking around myself too.

Are there anymods we should use.
- I know there is a mod which kills a bug in MY hydra's so we'll use that one at least http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif
For the rest I don't really think much is needed though but it's open for negotiation if it's not to radical.

I would like to start ASAP but certainly not this week (as per request and just because it's not doable) probably late next week.

I need to talk to llama what we do about pretenders etc and I need a map.
The first thing should be done easily so everyone that knows his/her nation can start creating a pretender already.
The map might be the most important factor here though so PLZ look for a nice map (with about 26-30 water provinces for our 2 nations (they don't need 17/player they should move on land anyway http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif)

The needed mods are now attached to this post

[Karlem]

Well, as I told you I'm in http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Ryleh for me please.

A random map can be nice, no need to setup nothing incredible, but using RAN_DOM for seting up minimin number of neighbours and distance between capitols is quite interesting:

* 4 land neighbours for land based nations, and 4 sea neighbours for sea based
* 3-4 provinces between capitols

This way turn 0 luck is reduced.

[Aethyr]

I'm in--T'ien Ch'i please

Will you be using any mods, or is this a vanilla game?

[parcelt]

I might join, will have to think about my nation choice a bit.

How hard will you set research difficulty?

[Executor]

ahhh, I'd like to join but I wont have time to play, I have a trip soon, but maybe I could play for a few turns and get a sub. for a couple of turns, I'll work it out, put me in for Ermor if it is still open.

[Executor]

On second thought I dont want Ermor, I'll take machaka

[LDiCesare]

Any idea of turn frequency? I suppose it'll be the usual 24hr for early turns then 48?
If it doesn't begin this week, I'd be in with Arco.

[Kuritza]

I'll take Marignon. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Lets burn!

[Bananadine]

I would like to be Shinuyama!

[sum1lost]

Im in as mictlan!

[Aethyr]

Aezeal,

I'd like to see a 30hr until turn 24 (or so), and then move to 48hr based on majority vote.

Can you give me a sense of timing? When will pretenders be due? Tentative start date of game, etc.? Thanks

[Ossa]

I'd like to join as Niefelheim.

[LDiCesare]

There's no Niefelheim in MA, "only" Jotunheim (Iron Woods).

[Griefor]

I'd like to join, as Bandar Log.

[johnarryn]

I would like to join as Atlantis.

[Karlem]

Ummmm Atlantis.... Hi! I'm Ryleh http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif.

I hope there is enough underwater space for two...

[Executor]

So... when does the game start and when do we start uploading our (by our I mean my) incredible strong immortal
bloodthursty invonerable very powerfull predenders?

[EvilDesireZ]

z

[Karlem]

We have to wait until all players are in and then we will have 3-4 days to send the pretenders.

Normally Llamaserver games are 48h first turn (to solve problems) and then 24h quickhost untill everybody thinks that we should change them to 48h (around turn 20-30 normally) and laaaaater on 72h.

[Cicadian]

I'm in as Pythium!

[Executor]

Damn, I seem to have chosen the weakest nation, I thought they'd be interesting to play with, I've never taken them before, but I tested them a little home, and MAN DO THEY SUCK,
I'll take back Ermor if it's not too late...
PLEASE!!!

[Aezeal]

Cicadian, sorry I didn't mention it.. but I wanna be pythium myself.. I wanted to be them in the megagame but i was to late.. so I decided to create this to play pythium.

You are welcome to play another nation though.

I'm thinking 24h first turns later 48.. the switch between 24-48 will depend on how we are doing.. I'd rather not see it happen to fast.

I won't do a 30 hour quickhost but I'm always willing to do some extensions if needed.

[Zenzei]

Aezeal: Is this game full? If it isn't, I can play. I don't which of the remaining nations I would like to have but I'll take a look at them.

Also, this game definitely needs VP victory condition because noone will have the endurance to fight till the very end in game of this size.

[meister_miagi]

I'd like to join this game if there's still a slot free. I'll take any nation that's left.

[parcelt]

I won't be joining after all - so I guess that frees up a spot.

[Bananadine]

VP meaning provinces that provide points? I'm playing a game with one province that everybody fights over, and I'm pretty tired of it... but presumably there are various ways to do it, other than that.

I would totally play to the end in a straight battle without VP. I mean if I survived that long. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[johnarryn]

Yeah, im not so huge on the VP's, though I suppose we can use em if alot of other people like em.

[Zenzei]

Yes, by VP I meant Victory Points of which you need to control a certain amount in order to win the game.
I have played in games which had multiple VPs on the map and I can say from my experience that VP games are more interesting than normal ones because there's a tangible objective for the game.

If Aezeal decides to go with VPs, I recommend the following setup regarding the amount of VPs:
1) 2x the number of players. Randomly assigned on the map and need to control ~40% of the VPs in order to win.

or

2) One VP in each capital and none in the regular provinces. 40% of the VPs required for the win.

Bananadine: I can certainly see several reasons for a player getting frustrated in game that has only one VP on the map but those reasons are indeed due to game settings rather than VPs in general as a victory condition.

[sum1lost]

Id rather not play VPs, if its alright. We can, but it skews gameplay a bit.

[parcelt]

Changed my mind again (cant resist): I'll play as Ulm

[Cicadian]

If we start after the new patch, I'll be Ashgod, the new MA nation (I have no idea what it'll be like!).

If not I'll take Ctis.

[Executor]

I think option number 2 is much better, there will be more wars this way for sure, have you decided on a map, or are we using a random map?
Personally I'd prefer a random map, but as long as you set up a reasonable number of provinces between capitols, and are we using any particular mod?

[Zenzei]

sum1lost: In what way do you feel VPs skew the game?

Maybe we should have a general vote regarding the victory condition or lack of it. I vote yes for VPs, if it wasn't clear already. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[johnarryn]

I also feel as though 40% VP's is a bit low... you can essentially have a couple big players who never even have to fight before one of them wins. Make it like 55% or something.

[Aezeal]

Zenzei and Miagi are in, but we should indeed play for VP, but in capitols, I'll go for exactly half of capitols the map. So you need either to be stronger than the rest without needing to take the last single prov if a bastard won't surrender. And if there end up 2 player having nearly half then a long battle will be avoided by just out maneuvering the opponent

[Aezeal]

ow and no more water nation though (as if anyone would want too) since i need to get a set number of provinces for the map.

[Karlem]

I think that if you set capitols VP you can see them in the map... So perhaps it's not a very good idea... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Why not just one random VP for each player, and owning 55% means winning?

BTW I vote for Vps too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Aezeal]

capitols will be known soon enough

[LDiCesare]

Capitals known on first turn means the possibility of a straight rush towards nearest neighbour. Not knowing them for sure can delay a rush by 2 or 3 turns, which makes a huge difference.
Having one VP/player with just more half + 1 needed to win would be fine for me.

[Zenzei]

I'll take Caelum as my nation.

[Karlem]

I agree with LDiCesare, it makes rush much more viable and faster. I prefer to discover the capitols through scouts rather than a crown in the map.

For example having a stealthy flying pretender and first turn dominion kill someone without an awake pretender...

[Aethyr]

Aezeal said:
I still need a map though I think the adjusted parganos (?) map often used on llama is a bit to small for this (especially since I want a bit more than 15 prov/player to have a bit more time before pplz meet/ have to kill)

If anyone can help me with a map I'd be gratefull, I'll be asking around myself too.




What about Pasha's Alexander map? It has slightly more seas than you are looking for (43), but some of these are "land locked" so it might work. It would be a bit cramped at 17 players, but should work OK with 15.

My second suggestion would be Glory of the Gods (multiplayer).

[meister_miagi]

I'll take Ulm.

[Aezeal]

I'm making a few randoms but glory of the gods is a nice map too and a fea sea provs are seperate so not much of a problem really

[Karlem]

Glory of the gods is ok for me too.

[meister_miagi]

Can we use the Worty Heroes Mod?

[Aezeal]

ok lets just use glory of the gods then, how do I randomly distribute 30 VP on the map and how do I make sure all start provcs have 4 or more neighbours?

worthy heroes is OK with me

[Karlem]

Worthy heroes is ok for me too.

The provinces minimum does not work (as far as I know) with premade maps.

The random 30 VPs are done at game creation. So you just say to Llama the number of VPs and the limit to win (30 and 18 respectively for 55%).

So then we have everything ready, just waiting for two people to select their country and then upload pretenders on llamaserver, isn't it?

[Aezeal]

hmm only the thing with the at least 4 neighbours for starting provs is a thing I haven't done before

[EvilDesireZ]

Anything works fine for me.

[Ossa]

Set me to Jotunheim then, plz.

[Executor]

Have you figured it out how to set glory of the gods yet or not,
If you can't fix it maybe it would be better to use a random map

[llamabeast]

I've just set up the LlamaServer to accept pretenders for this game (going away for the weekend and didn't want to hold it up). Check my FAQ if you're not sure how.

[Karlem]

Before sending the pretenders the mods have to be agreed, otherwise there will be som errors. So please Aezeal, make a lits of the mods used, if any, on first page, ok?

[Zenzei]

Since my nation, Caelum, isn't added to the first post yet I'm going to take this opportunity to change my mind and play Man instead. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Aezeal]

I'm thinking
1. standards n streamers mod
2. Worthy heroes
3. quickfix 3.15

now added to first post

[Zenzei]

what is standards & streamers mod? Does it do something useful?

[Aezeal]

it gives nice standards http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif
you look at standards the whole game through so it's pretty usefull to have AT LEAST one thing in dom that looks nice http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

no offence KO

[Aezeal]

ow and I think we'll start somewhere mid next week, try to get pretenders done about mon/tue max I want the first turn done before friday

[johnarryn]

Just a note - if we're only using standards and streamers and worthy heroes (plus this quickfix aezeal mentioned) we can send our pretenders in regardless as to whether you have those mods. As far as I know, there should be no problem because none of the potential mods have anything to do with pretender creation/costs

[Executor]

As far as I see these mods don't really change anything,
only standards of course, I guess they are much easier to recognise this way, but I don't like my skeleton head on the standard now! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Aezeal]

yeah I thought so too, anywy the mods are in the first post so no need not to have them http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Executor]

I'm going away for a week so Psycho will be taking over... will start the first 3-4 turns for me, just so everybody knows. I'll be back on monday, or thursday the latest to take over.

[johnarryn]

Will we be starting anytime soon? Still only 4 people with their pretenders in.

[Aezeal]

we will be starting wednesday I figure, thursday at the latest..

personally I'm still figuring out MA pythium http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Zenzei]

I'll send my pretender soonishly, still some fine tuning to do.

[Karlem]

I'm also preparing mine, I expect it to be ready today or at most tomorrow.

[Aezeal]

I see I have a late shift tomorrow so I'll only be starting things wednesday evening at earliest.

[Zenzei]

Lol, I changed my nation one more time, to Vanheim this time, since I would have needed more time to make a suitable pretender for Man or Caelum.

Anyways, god of Vanheim is now sent to Llamaserver and I'm ready to start. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[sum1lost]

Hmm, I just noticed the bit about 'cheapest tricks'

Does this only include bugs (like the mists of deception exploit), or also controversial things that were nonetheless proclaimed WAD (working as designed), like archer decoys, schorched earth, "wills", commander trading, and copying bogus's orders?

[Zenzei]

Only MoD tricks and Bogus' orders copying warrant ban in my opinion.

[LDiCesare]

Managing illegal movements should be banned too, along with Mists and copying Bogus orders.

[johnarryn]

I agree with LDiCesare.... illegal movement, bogus orders, shouldn't be allowed... but I cannot see how, say, archer decoys should not be allowed, or scorched earth tactics. These all seem like suitable and sometimes appropriate strategies, as opposed to some sort of exploit in the game that you know how to manipulate. Another example of such an exploit would be filling your opponents treasury with slave collars - as a "strategy," presenting your opponent with multiple gifts makes no sense, and thus it is merely an exploit.

[Zenzei]

What is this movement exploit? I've heard about it before but I don't know what it actually is but it indeed sounds like something that shouldn't be allowed.

[Aezeal]

mist/illegal movement/bogus/flooding treasury with collars = out of game
scorched earth/archer decoys and any other placemetn stuff is just strat and is allowed

[Cicadian]

Really sorry to do this but I'm gonna have to pull out of this game. I seem to have ended up in more games than is wise!

Sorry guys.

[nozshand]

mind if i take over as c'tis?

[Zenzei]

I'm no game admin but I'd say go ahead so we get this game started.

[Aezeal]

sure take over send in a pretender

[nozshand]

pretender sent

[johnarryn]

Almost ready to start, eh? Come on people, get those pretenders in!

[Zenzei]

I just checked llamaserver, all pretenders except for eriu and r'lyeh are there.

[sum1lost]

How bout we give em two days and then possibly start without them? Its been a week, I believe.

[Karlem]

Ryleh pretender sent. Sorry for the delay.

[Aezeal]

I send eriu (evildesirez) a message to send pretender ASAP

we start saterday at the latest with or without him

[Aezeal]

ANYONE is welcome to send in a Eriu pretender and play the game!!!
first come first go

we start tomorrow

[Reverend Zombie]

I'll send an Eiru pretender ASAP.

[Aezeal]

that would be good.. I asked llama to get the game starting saturday but I've got no clue if I gave him all info he needs... we'll see

Once it's started the game should run more easily http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Zenzei]

Yay! Game has started. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Aezeal]

I demand more conversation in here.

Also I'd like the water nation in the southern waters to report to me, a chat might be nice http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[johnarryn]

For some reason I haven't received my new turn, and the "turn resend" option isn't working on the llamaserver. Never had this problem before, and i've PM'd llamabeast, but please delay a bit if it looks like I might stale.

[Aezeal]

I changed your e-mail so try that now
also I have set the host time 12 hours later as you requested.

[Aezeal]

SO what's happening.

wars already?

[Karlem]

Yes, you and me.... you didn't notice? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Aezeal]

Ow it was your pretender that got swallowed by my hydra's..

PS I think hydra's SHOULD be poor amphibians...

[Karlem]

Thanks me that they aren't http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[johnarryn]

For those interested (and because I can't get enough MP dominions) I am organizing a new llamaserver LA game, entitled "The End of Time." Sign up on the thread in the forum if you'd like to join. Note that nations will be assigned randomly.

[LDiCesare]

Looks like Mictlan sprouts castles pretty fast.

[Aezeal]

prolly wants more cheap sacreds.

I'm willing to bet more nations will have castles next turn though...

might be a good time to rush mitlan too.. since all cash is castles

[sum1lost]

Actually, Mictlan only sprouts castles fast because he got very, very lucky for someone with a misfortune scale.

BTW, can we rehost this last turn? 3 of us staled, as llamaserver did not recognize my turn file, though I may have sent one in for the wrong game. If no one else wants to, though, its okay.

[Aezeal]

I have no clue how to do that

and 2 have already send their new turn.. is that a problem for a rehost?

[Aezeal]

it would've been easier if you'd just asked me to postpone a few hours while you solved your problem...

anyway.. I think a stale turn sucks this early.. and since you say there was a problem I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. The other 2 where just late and should've asked for a delay, that takes about 2 min time and can be done from any computer.. but whatever.

How to solve this.. I'll PM llama I guess.. if it can be solved quickly it will be done if it takes more than 24 hours I'm not happy. If it means that everyone gotta retake their turn etc etc it won't happen if more than 5 object though.

[sum1lost]

No, its alright...

I didn't realize it didn't work till afterwards, and since nobody attacked me in the interim, its fine.

[johnarryn]

I would emphatically be against retaking the past turn.

[Aezeal]

OK Llama is not so fond of rehosts, so next time I won't be as quick to grant one. Plz be aware of that.

[Aethyr]

There should never be a rehost unless there is some verified problem with the server and/or turn file.

[Aezeal]

yes yes I get it, my bad for even thinking about being nice for once. I'll just start being mean by setting the host time @ -24 right after I did my turn http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Aethyr]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[sum1lost]

Aethyr said:
There should never be a rehost unless there is some verified problem with the server and/or turn file.


Oh, I only suggested it because I thought there was a problem with the server, since three people staled and I knew I had sent in a file. Turns out in my case it was the wrong file.

[sum1lost]

The Land of Mictlan is growing steadily more and more prosperous, as are our neighbors, in this bountiful peace.

However, we do observe that many of the other nations are being mamzers and going to war! Lawgiver Forfend!

So, who is fightin'?

[Aethyr]

What is a mamzer? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif

[Aezeal]

Pythium is just stargazing too, having only met nations peacfull to oru cause (I guess not owning any VP helps too)

WE have recently met Jomon, and we would welcome talks with the Jomon ambassador.

sum: I think the waternations are fighting big time already, what I hear atlantis ain't so happy atm, so I fear the water won't be in balance very long.

[Aezeal]

PS I think we'll update to 3.17 ASAP if possible (I'll ask llama)

[Aethyr]

From the past experience w/Llamaserver, the update will happen automatically.

Since the patch just came out, players will have the option of not updating to 3.17 for this turn (I just sent my turn in w/o the patch). However, we will be required to update to 3.17 prior to sending in any subsequent turns.

[sum1lost]

Mamzer is a yiddish word. It isn't very nice. More or less means bastard.

[Bananadine]

Say, I just realized I'm not seeing any flags I don't recognize. Is the Standards and Streamers mod not active or something? I have it turned on myself...

[Aethyr]

Bananadine,

I think this mod has to be activated when the nation is created. In my case, I don't think I realized that we were using this mod.

Sum,

Thanks for the education. BTW, there are no such persons in the Celestial Empire. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Karlem]

Please help me find a sub as I cannot play until I come back home (2 weeks or so). See thread.

[sum1lost]

Zeldor has agreed to sub for me from June4th to June 10th.

[Aezeal]

I hope Ctis is gonna play the next turns, I can't take his lands since I'm not next to him so staling is forbidden.

[JimMorrison]

Trouble stirs in the cold dark deeps.
Many would call it evil.
But the Void has no moral compass.
Only hunger.
Eating away at your mind.

[Aezeal]

Hey wannabe poet who has taken over Rhyleh,

Plz remember I have a NAP with Karlem and not with some bad poet.. if I'm not loving you as much as I love Karlem you might just loose... all your land provinces http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Make me love you, stop eating away at my mind and my dominion.

Greets Aezeal of Pythium

[Aezeal]

pS I dont'like Ctis for not playing even after a 48 h turn... and not even leaving a note dammit kill him plz or let have it on his lands http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Bananadine]

C'tis appears to need a substitute.

[Aezeal]

yeah

[JimMorrison]

The regent has sent you a communique, lord Aezeal.

Don't be hasty, land dweller.
Poetry is but thoughts, dancing.
The stars have no malice.
Only the light of truth.
Swim with us.
The deep cold numbs the pain.

[sum1lost]

My sub has requested that the game stay at 48H, due to net problems. I am leaving in a few hours, so I will not be able to find another sub.

[Reverend Zombie]

This turn (18) appears to be the same as last turn (17)--does anyone else experience that?

[sum1lost]

Nope. Mine is new. Though I can't play it.

EDIT: Since I was switched to having a sub after I received my turn but before it was sent, I can email it to Zeldor or the host if Zeldor can't use it.

[Zeldor]

Turn 18 here.

[Zeldor]

It seems my net is working fine so 24h hosting should be fine.

Oh, and why C'tis is not set to AI? Someone has really nice target and it seems that Ulm was nearby and got a lot of unclaimed lands. And whose idea was to use that so unbalanced map in MP [I love it though]?

P.S. I am subbing for Mictlan for some time. Just doing some friendly things to my neighbours http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Reverend Zombie]

Deleting my .2h file fixed the weirdness.

[Aezeal]

C'tis has a new player if we get it to work

[jimkehn]

C'Tis is in!!!! I thnk it works, however the sns mod doesn't seem to be working?

Someone fill me in on who are my allies and who are my enemas. I seem to be in P-Poor shape, but have some gold on hand.

Now.....to figure out how to mail the turn to llamaserver.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[jimkehn]

OK, I sent the .trn file first, I hope this doesn't break anything. I am used to hosting PBEM and not being the client. Then I sent the .2h file to turns at llamaserver dot net with Aquarium in the subject line. Nothing in the text body. Is this correct procedure??

[johnarryn]

You actually don't need to put Aquarium in the subject line, actually... that's only when you send in your pretender. But everything else sounds good.

[LDiCesare]

You should get a reply from llamaserver when it's received your turn.

[jimkehn]

OK...everything worked out fine. Got an email saying I sent the .trn file in error, and got one saying the.2h file made it.

[Executor]

Psycho out, I'm in,
And as I see my starting position is not, shall we say very good!

[Aezeal]

I usually just reply the message I get and that always works

[LDiCesare]

I just sent my turn but I will 'most probably) be unable to send the next one before 48 hours, so I'd appreciate if turn 22 could be hosted not before sunday 17h GMT?

[Aezeal]

Technical details of permanent failure:
PERM_FAILURE: Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server returned was: 553 553 5.3.0 <jg.edwards@sbcglobal.net.>... Relaying is NOT allowed here (state 14).


hmmm that might complicate diplomatics... we'll see what happens

[jimkehn]

ERM......Buddy......heh, heh. It was all a joke, man!!! You know.......
The stuff I said about your mother's army boots!!! Just a joke. All in fun!!!

[Aezeal]

I gave us a lil more extention.. my night shift won't happen against soon

[Bananadine]

I would not mind increasing the turn time soon.

[meister_miagi]

Could anyone forge a Flaming Skull, Thistle Mace and/or a Horror Helmet for Ulm? I can pay in gold, (earth) gems or trade for other items. Please contact me if you are interested.

[Aezeal]

How about we don't sponsor him too much?

[Aezeal]

I think Tien chi hasn't gotten my message via that mail adress.. his message to me this turn was nice.. my action to him.. less so...

I fear he will be angry.

[Zeldor]

sum1lost is back, don't forget to change e-mail for Mictlan back and give him enough time to check interesting turn http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[sum1lost]

I sent the email to Aezeal over pm some time ago, but in case he didn't get it:

sum1won (at symbol) yahoo (period/dot) com

Looking forwards to it!

[jimkehn]

Welcome back, Sum1!!

[Aezeal]

I think we'll set the turns on 48 hours now? I need another extension for the weekend (sorry but I have a last shift today, then need to be back in the hospital at 7:00 so no use driving home for an hour and back the next morning.. then that night a wedding and next night a birthday on the other side of the country.)

[Aezeal]

after next week I'll need someone to take over hosting since I'll be on vacation 3 weeks

[sum1lost]

Thank you and hello!

48 hour hosting is fine.

BTW, my sub has given me a brief rundown of how things are going, but anyone who wants to discuss how things went down, feel free! Thank you!

[jimkehn]

Not a fan of 48 hour turns. At least not until turn 50 or so.

[LDiCesare]

48 hours is fine for me. That's easier for me during week ends to begin with.

[meister_miagi]

I prefer the 24 hour turns as well, but it seems the majority wants to extend the timer.

[JimMorrison]

Can't we have 12 hours turns? They're so exciting. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

[Aezeal]

Well personally I don't mind 24 hours.. but then I'd miss like 3 turns this weekend.. this way I might just make it..
not to mention I'll need a sub end of next week for 3 weeks.. and sub tend to prefer 48 hours.

it's pretty standard to go to 48 hours after about 25 turns anyway.

[Bananadine]

Would anyone like to exchange their earth gems for some delightful water gems?

[Bananadine]

Shinuyama has engaged in a joint project with Ulm to magically cull the weakest of Ulm's people, as it is in everyone's interest that the eventual human servants of the Bakemono be as fit and strong as possible. Anyone wishing to help maintain balance in an increasingly Ulm-infested world by participating in this noble effort is invited to contact Shinuyama. Gems may be provided, depending on need. Privacy is guaranteed!

[Aezeal]

Personaly I'm killing every Shinuyama thing I see on sight since he invaded me too.. EVERY NEIGHBOUR OF the gray flags can attack NOW.. to much fronts for him.

I even offer Tien Chi a new NAP

[Bananadine]

Now now, the scouts surely will not attack any further of your provinces. They only wanted to see whether you were home, and... it seems that you are. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Those wondering who to support need only view the graphs, and decide who they fear most. Though it seems many of you have your own concerns... ah, the tragedy of the commons!

[Aezeal]

The scouts will be dead! And there won't be peace untillI have everything back and then that castle you build on my border since it's obvious you can't be trusted. THEN we might have peace again.

ULM, you have an ally untill that gray flagged troll race is dead

[Bananadine]

Bakemono are goblins, mind you!

But there are some trolls in the northwest sea--you are welcome to challenge them!

[Executor]

The Jotun giants have invaded the sacred... swamps of the great Ermor empire,
let it be known that the peace loving undead hordes and death cultist will not tolerate this insult!!!
I curse the giants to burn in the ever lasting banefires,
and call to all nations on most holy of a crusade against these foul creatures, RIVERS OF BLOOD WILL FLOW!!!

[Ossa]

Foul are rather the rotting ghoules of Ermor! Even the C'tis admit they cant take the smell and that definitly means something.

Our invasion was additionally not an insult, but rather a spontaneous movement of liberation. We could no longer watch the living people of your former independant provinces suffer the rule of dead people.

[Aezeal]

Kill the midget trollsssss

[jimkehn]

Whilst C'Tisian olfactry glands are extremely sensitive to wolven and bear hides, curiously, rotting human flesh wafts like the aroma of fresh baked bread across our swamps and woods. We have been on peaceful terms with our neighbors to the east.....after a small border dispute....and hope our new neighbors from Jotunheim are as accomodating. We wish for peace with all nations.

Except those with whom we are at war.

[Ossa]

As some of our kind are also green we consider the lizards of C'tis already now as our friends and brothers in spirit.

[Aezeal]

I'm still out after thursday btw.. noone interested in subbing

[Aezeal]

If anyone knows someone to sub for me plz let me know, if not I'm out thursday and my neighbours will have a nice advantage.

I need someone to take over hosting in either case.

[Bananadine]

I saw your thread about needing subs--I made another thread about just Aquarium, hope that's not considered spamming.

[Executor]

Now that wasn't very polite,
anyone in war with those sneaky trolls is my friend,
The one that kills the foul beasts shall have all the riches and gems of the dwindeling Ermorian Empire!

[Bananadine]

How much less polite to leave your poor people without any defense! That scout was relieved to see soldiers blocking his way, for he knew as he died that the province would be in good hands after all.

[Bananadine]

Raterik truly was a great hero! And everyone agrees that his clothing fits very well.

[meister_miagi]

He will be missed...

[Aethyr]

Aezeal said:
If anyone knows someone to sub for me plz let me know, if not I'm out thursday and my neighbours will have a nice advantage.

I need someone to take over hosting in either case.



I confess that I really didn't pick up on this earlier. I've admin'd a few games on LLamaserver, and will volunter to taekover the admin duties here if no one else is available. Please let me know if this is still needed.

[johnarryn]

Actually, i've taken over as admin. Sorry about the confusion.

[Aethyr]

Don't be, and thanks for steppping up!

[Bananadine]

Looks like we're losing somebody....

[Bananadine]

You nations not committed to local wars--what plans have you to prevent Ulm's mastery of the world?

[sum1lost]

Well, given that a second nation is poised on the brink of invading me, not very much.

[LDiCesare]

sum1lost said:
Well, given that a second nation is poised on the brink of invading me, not very much.


A second nation? YOU invaded me! I didn't attack.
(ok, it was your sub, but Mictlan did it).

[sum1lost]

In that case, I apologize for the treacherous blow dealt you by my sub. Mictlan is a peaceful nation in this age.

However, now that we are in war, please stop wriggling so I can put you out of my misery.

:-p

[meister_miagi]

Nobody needs to worry about Ulm. The only thing Ulm is interested in right now, is avenging the great hero Raterik, who was slain in battle by a horde of foul smelling trolls. Now that the time of mourning over, the Ulmish clans seek retribution!

[Executor]

Anyone planning to attack Jotunheim, now is the time, for more information PM me and I'll tell you everything you need to know.

[Bananadine]

meister_miagi said:
Nobody needs to worry about Ulm. The only thing Ulm is interested in right now, is avenging the great hero Raterik, who was slain in battle by a horde of foul smelling trolls. Now that the time of mourning over, the Ulmish clans seek retribution!



Ah, no doubt this is great comfort to the sidhe, who now surely realize that you are not besieging their fortress, but merely searching for the trolls who killed Raterik!

If the addled governors of Ulm would search for trolls amongst the sidhe of Eriu and the goblins of Shinuyama, then who is next? The monkeys, perhaps?

[meister_miagi]

Ulm has no real quarrel with the sidhe. This is merely a way for us to sourround the trolls so they may not escape. It is too bad for the sidhe that they take trolls as their friends.

We also remember sending the sidhe a great gift: an ancient pearl of the deep seas, recovered by the great Boognish Wyrm-Lord of Ulm himself. This was a sign of friendship and was ignored by the arrogant sidhe.

It is no doubt the Raterik-slayers where trolls in the service of Shinuyama. They were big, green, ugly creatures whose pungent smell drove tears to Rateriks eyes and dazed his mind. Every storyteller in Ulm knows this.

[sum1lost]

You know, if my fort were under seige, I would expect some damn big compensation for it if they didn't want to open a second front.

[meister_miagi]

A new hero has risen in north to avenge the death of the great Raterik. No one knows where he came from, he is shrouded in mystery and he cannot be seen by unworthy mortal eyes. He shall be known as Raterik's Ghost to his enemies, may they fear him and stand in awe at his presence.
He is accompanied by an entourage of loyal ghostly followers and rides a ghostly steed.
Surely this great hero from beyond will bring pride to the nation of Ulm.

[jimkehn]

Gawd I hate 48 hour turns.

[Executor]

Hah, Did the cowerdly giants think I am that easy to be killed!? Told you it was a bad idea attacking me.

[JimMorrison]

jimkehn said:
Gawd I hate 48 hour turns.



It's like waiting for the sequel to a movie - you start to forget what's happening by the time it comes out. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif


Are we on 48h quickhost? It's nice to give the buffer if people need it, but equally nice if we can keep the pace up on occasions when everyone is able to post their turn in a timely fashion. <3

[Bananadine]

It has not mattered so far whether quickhost is on, because Pythium is not taking turns.

[Executor]

Why don't you join more games then, or hell you could just play against each other thats really interesting.

[JimMorrison]

Executor said:
Why don't you join more games then, or hell you could just play against each other thats really interesting.



I'm already 6 or 7 games I think - I lose count when I can't rely on turns being there at any given time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif And I thought that's what I was doing here - playing against other people. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Pythium is almost utterly annihilated at this point. I don't want to ask for AI, since I am their neighbor, and we've been peaceful, but it seems like there should be some sort of solution.

Anyways, I'd just like things to only take as long as they have to, is that wrong? If you aren't getting your turn in during the first 24h after hosting, turning on quickhost won't keep you from having the second day to do what you need to do. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif And if you're the last person to go, it'll host immediately, so if you have time you can do 2 turns at once. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[LDiCesare]

If the only reason why turns don't go faster is Pythium not playing anymore, we should ask Pythium whether they want to keep playing and if not, turn them into ai.

[Bananadine]

If I remember right, Pythium wanted to keep playing but is in Mexico for a few weeks and we never found a sub.

I am only in two games and it's too much! Some of us spend much more time thinking about our turns than others do, it seems.

[JimMorrison]

Well, "some" of us also have much more unoccupied free time than others. <.<

[Aethyr]

LDiCesare said:
If the only reason why turns don't go faster is Pythium not playing anymore, we should ask Pythium whether they want to keep playing and if not, turn them into ai.



On games hosted on Llamaserver the general rule is that if a player is going to be away and cannot find a sub he/she should set the nation to AI before sending in the last turn. If this is not done, then the only one who can set the nation to AI is Llamabeast. My understanding is that its doable, but it's a pain and he's asked players to avoid this if at all possible.

That said, we shouldn't have two more weeks of stale turns from Pythium. Since I've just finished my turn and really don't want to redo it, I propose that we let this turn host (it is set to quick host BTW), and then PM Llama and request that he set Pythium to AI. Does anyone disagree?

[jimkehn]

Well, I have joined more games, but I would rather play two turns a day in one game than one turn every 48 hours in 4 games. For me, it's the immersion factor.

[sum1lost]

I work from 7am to 11 pm. Once every 2 days is more than enough.

[JimMorrison]

Quickhost just gives you the option, it does not force you to do a turn each day. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[jimkehn]

Sheesh, Sum1. I would say once every 2 days is enough. I think JimMorrison is right, though. With quickhost, if everyone's in, it will run. If you can't make it, no biggie.

[Bananadine]

JimMorrison said:
Quickhost just gives you the option, it does not force you to do a turn each day. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif



48-hour quickhost will sometimes force people to do two turns on two consecutive days, since the hosting time automatically creeps back unless somebody somehow exactly hits the deadline every turn. Something like 54-hour quickhost would be a more reasonable way to ensure that everybody can do a turn every other day if they want.

I'm just saying that to say it though, I don't object to quickhost in this game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[JimMorrison]

Sure, 54 hour quickhost, hell, 60 hour quickhost would be fine by me, I'm reasonably sure that in most cases it will move along at a better rate - while still giving people on more limited gaming time the chance to not be rushed with their turn. <3

[Executor]

And again we're waiting for Pythium,
did anybody contact Llama about switching him to Al?

[LDiCesare]

Anyone knows when he's supposed to be back? Stale turns will doom him anyway.
I'd like to publicly tell Mictlan tat the wonderful battle at PRecipice showed how peaceful a neighbour I am. I didn't harm anybody but some of Mictlan's misguided believers apparently understood they were on the wrong path. I'm all peace and love, just get out of my land!

[Executor]

Land Precipice 118, now that was a good battle!
Congrats to Acro. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[LDiCesare]

I checked Aezeal's other thread when he looked for a sub:

Still need a sub for aquarium and bravenewworld else they'll have to go AI



I think we can make him go ai, as he specified he'd leave for 3 weeks, amounting to 10 stale turns...

[Executor]

To Jotinheim,
This war is getting interesting and I can't really think of what you got out of this war
By the way that was a glorious battle wouldn't you say?

Also, if anyone has sitings of what's left of Jotunheims armies, the intelligence would be appreciated.

[Ossa]

Ahem... no, not interesting at the moment. I just need to figure out how to get enough nature gems to produce enough endless bags of wine for my giants. They get sick if they have to venture far without wine.

[Executor]

Hey maybe I could sell you a couple I have like tree or four bags which you so generously gave to me...

[JimMorrison]

R'lyeh is trading Earth gems!

Death or Astral are preferred, though we will take Water or Nature in trade as well. We have over 100 E gems for trade, so PM with your generous offers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[sum1lost]

The lovely nation of Mictlan is purchasing water gems and sundry items. PM for offers.

[jimkehn]

Jotunheim has deceived his ally, C'Tis. While C'tis was led to believe that his ally Ermor was almost dead, and that C'tis needed to divide the spoils, Ermor was far from dead. Therefore, a state of war exists between the nations of C'Tis and Jotunheim.

[Ossa]

Thats a truly nice way of making diplomacy - once you see you neighbour on the loosing side you grab his provinces and now you claim you were deceived... tstststs.

But come on, we have no fear of little green animals who smell like fish.

[jimkehn]

Well...maybe....just maybe....that was planned from the beginning. To lure Jotunheim into Ermor's clutches while I denied you access to Ermor's other provinces, all the while using the old hammer and anvil approach!!!

[JimMorrison]

Dun dun DUN!

O.O

[LDiCesare]

Arco is turning AI now. I won't be able to play my turns for the next weeks and the situation is too bad to give the nation to a sub.

[Bananadine]

It seems like Pythium might be missing as well.

[Aezeal]

Lol I guess pythium might be missing yes.. like the last 3 weeks http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

hmm I guess I won't even bother to look where Pythium is now, by the sounds of it it's not worth downloading the turn.. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

My neighbours must have had a great advantage by not making me AI though..

GL pplz

[sum1lost]

Uh, Aezeal, please, if you don't want to play, just send in an AI turn quickly. Thank you.

[Aezeal]

mt replacement had like 3 weeks to cover that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Aezeal]

hmmm noone was interested enough in my hammer of the cyclops yet to take it...

strange http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif, I thought it was a nice thing to have.. to bad no wanna be replacement was around to make full use of it...

If a certain water nation I know in my area would be willing to help me a bit with those trolls strolling in my garden I'd gladly give him all lands he can get his hands on and this nice hammer I have here.. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[JimMorrison]

As beneficial as our relationship was - to both of us, R'lyeh must publicly decline your misguided offer.

In your absence the climate of the game has changed considerably, and we have had to make new friends to compensate. Betraying their trust would not only be in bad taste, but would be a very poor strategic move, for more reasons than I care to list here.

According the the graphs here, you have maybe 3 provinces left? I'm not sure why you would feel the need to try to manipulate the situation when you have so little to possibly gain from doing so.

It would have seemed to me that you might offer to send me some sort of reward for not taking advantage of your complete absence starting from the day that you left the game unattended. I was a loyal ally, which is why most of your lands belong to those little green men, rather than to my people. Of course, my public redress of your offer will probably be met with cynical spite concerning this matter, but I only say that because were I you at this juncture, I not only would not try to cause chaos for no gain, but I would gracefully bestow my wealth on those who deserved and would make good use of such things - and then set myself to AI and get into a new game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Aezeal]

ehm no the hammer goes somewhere as aid to a nation that has either helped me (none come to mind if you don't do it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif) or to someone who hasn't had the chance to help me since he was not in the neighbourhood http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif ...

pplz attacking me don't get it since they had 10 turns of advantage of me being out and pplz near me don't get it if they don't help me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Till I join a new game I might play a few turns untill I get bored http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Aezeal]

Ow and it seems I have 7 provinces atm http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[sum1lost]

Micltan is buying blood slaves and water gems in bulk on a gem-for gem basis or 20 gold each

[Bananadine]

This is when even 50-hour quickhost would be nice--I just finished my planning, but if I send the file now, my deadline will be that much tighter on Friday! So I will wait a bit.

[jimkehn]

Nope. Should still be on 24 hour. Until about turn 60.

[sum1lost]

48 hours would be nice for me too. Turns are getting pretty complicated on my end.

[meister_miagi]

We've been on a 48-hour for a while now... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif

[Aezeal]

ehm yeah I set it to 48 hours before my vacation I think.. and since I only missed 10 turns I think can't have been changed much

[Bananadine]

Any moment now.

[JimMorrison]

Wait for it.....!

[Aezeal]

I do hope someone is regretting not accepting my NAP offer http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Bananadine]

The Bakemono have taken plenty of naps and will continue to do so.

[Aezeal]

The Bakemono are holding my lands but if they want a NAP so I can focus on TC (who refused my NAP and lost an army) I'm always willing.

[Bananadine]

There is also a golem from Ulm who is borrowing some land from you. We'd better find out what it thinks about this.

[Aezeal]

Well haven't seen the Golem so far.. I guess I'll have to take a look, that means taking some lands in between http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

So you want a NAP or not? 5 turns notice on cancelling?

[sum1lost]

A state of war now exists between Ulm and Mictlan, due to their aggresion via spies and ethereal knights, and the unacceptable invasion of our lands

[Aezeal]

aw joy http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif game is heating up http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Bananadine]

Say, people, here's an interesting note: Summon Earthpower, when used by a mute mage, contributes to the mage's pre-muting magic skill--meaning that his current magic skill may not change. Shinuyama has learned this at significant cost!

[Bananadine]

Anyway in exchange for one fortress, Shinuyama will be glad to sign a pact with the remnants of Pythium, in order that the remaining hydras may live out their remaining short lives in the wilds of T'ien Ch'i.

[Bananadine]

(The fortress is to be chosen by Shinuyama, incidentally. Hmm, you seem to have only one....)

[Aezeal]

Ah.. shinu will have to die then, PS the rhyley armies between me an my capitol are welcome to go anywhere they like but my amry is going to my capitol

[JimMorrison]

R'lyeh will attack neither Shinuyama or Pythium, preferring to honor the agreements made to both.

However our ends and our means are indiscernible to most land dwellers. We will not explain our directions, or answer to demands - the currents take us where they will, and we will attack the non-treatied where we see fit, without second thought or obscure considerations.

[Aezeal]

ehm yes, but I will attack that province where your army is now since my army is needed in my capitol, which is behind it. Since I you have been a trusted ally I give you this information to do with it what you want but this is my capitol and I need to defend it. I hope you see my point.