Russian units v4

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Hello Don and Andy.

We would like to communicate a little to you and dear visitors of this forum - on a theme of our units in game.

We will publish in this theme some our data about units in game.

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The units.

1. unit 001 – PT-76 – stabilizer no, shells for gun – HE=24 AP=4 SABOT=4 HEAT=8, speed=44 km/h =15 land and 4 water.

http://legion.wplus.net/guide/army/ta/pt76.shtml
http://army.lv/?s=249&id=33
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/tanki/data/ic_nomenrussiabrontanki/8/

2. unit 002 - PT-76B – new gun, The stabilizer in two planes, shells for gun – HE=24 AP=4 SABOT=4 HEAT=8, speed=45 km/h = 15 land and 4 water. In 1967 year new machine gun PKT, new radio.

http://legion.wplus.net/guide/army/ta/pt76.shtml
http://army.lv/?s=249&id=33
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/tanki/data/ic_nomenrussiabrontanki/8/

unit 611, 612, 613 - These units need to be cleaned. They take a place. The word "Morskoy" - is translated into English as a word "Sea". But these tanks so are amphibians. In 1990 these tanks did not modernise - them in general have removed from arms.

3. unit 003 - T-34/76 M1943 – correct shells: HE=75 AP=21 Sabot=4

Source: book – Bronekollekcia, 3.1999, “Medium tank T-34”, page 22.

4. unit 004 - T-34/85 – correct shells: HE=36, AP=14, Sabot=5. This tank had smoke candles.

http://mk-armour.narod.ru/1999/04/02.htm
book - Bronekollekcia, 4.1999, “Medium tank T-34-85”, page 9.

5. unit 006 - T-54 – weight 32 tons, speed 50 km/h=17, front hull armour=120mm 60 degrees, front turret armour 200mm.

http://army.lv/?s=249&id=32
http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=106&Item id=60
http://armor.kiev.ua/wiki/index.php?title=100-%D0%BC%D0%BC_%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2% D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%94-10&printable=yes

6. unit 007 - T-54A - speed 50 km/h=17, shells: HE=20, AP=14, weapon 4 = BMG machine gun x1, weight 30 tons. In 1954 25 tanks have been made.

http://www.free-time.ru/military/tanks/tanki/t_54.html
http://army.lv/?s=249&id=32

7. unit 008 - T-54B - weight 30 tons, speed 50 km/h=17

http://www.free-time.ru/military/tanks/tanki/t_54.html
http://army.lv/?s=249&id=32

8. unit 009 – T-55 - weight 31 tons, speed 50 km/h=17, weapon 4 = 7.62mm BMG maching gun.

http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-55.htm
http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/T55/index.php

9. unit 010 – T-55A - weight 31 tons, speed 50 km/h=17, 12.7mm DShK have established on this tank only in 1970., in 1960 on tank T-55 have established a new sight=iam offer change fire control.

http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-55.htm
http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/T55/index.php

10. unit 011 – T-55A - weight 31 tons, speed 50 km/h=17, available from 1970. change fire control

http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-55.htm
http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/T55/index.php

11. units 012, 013, 014, 015, 106 – export variants tanks T-55AM.

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12. units 606 and 607 – T-34-85 - T-34-85 It was modernised after war of only 1 times - in 1960 - it has received new radio stations.
13. unit 609 - T-54 – weight 32 tons, speed 50 km/h=17. T-54 It was modernised 2 times to T-54A. These are updatings T-54-2 and T-54-3. Updating T-54-2 for game has no value. In 1952 on arms arrives T-54-3 with a new sight, 1 BMG a machine gun, armour hull front = 100mm 60 degrees.
http://army.lv/?s=249&id=32
http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=106&Item id=60
http://armor.kiev.ua/wiki/index.php?title=100-%D0%BC%D0%BC_%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2% D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%94-10&printable=yes

14. units 777 – 789, 857 - These are units clones of usual tanks. They take a superfluous place in OOB. These tanks in game are used for marines. These tanks can be used for marines - correctly having created formations.
15. unit 071, 073, 780, 781, 782 – export variant.
16. unit 017 – T-62 – speed=55 km/h=18, weight=37 tons, shells=40 HE=22, Sabot=12, HEAT=6, in 1969 year used 12.7mm DShK AAMG, in 1975 year laser sight, armour fron hull=100mm, hull side=80mm, rear hull=46mm, front turret=242mm, side turret=153mm.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-62.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t62.htm
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t62weapon.htm
17. unit 610 – T-62 - What it for the tank? An error?
18. Why on all tanks T-62 the machine gun - weapon 064 (7.62mm PKT CMG) is used. The machine gun 7.62mm PKT TMG - weapon 063 Should be used.
19. unit 789 – T-62D – medium tank, Improved armour, CIWS - Drozd
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-62.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t62.htm
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t62weapon.htm
20. unit 021 – T-62M – improved armour, improved antiHEAT armour, new improved sight, new smoke discharge – Tucha – 8 units, new stabilizer, new radio, new system manual fire with ATGM, new machine gun NSVT 12.7mm.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-62.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t62.htm
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t62weapon.htm

21. unit 022, 792 – T-62M BDD – iam offer remove this tank. I do not know such tank.
22. tank T-62M1 - Same as well as T-62M - only without ATGM.
23. tank T-62M1-2 - Same as well as T-62M - only without ATGM and without improved armour.
24. tank T-62MD - Same as well as T-62M + CIWS – “Drozd”
25. unit 023 – T-62MV - Same as well as T-62M + Reactive armour, in 1985 year, weight 38 tons
26. All other tanks T-62 or were export, or never existed. In the beginning of 21 centuries it is possible to make 2 or 3 updatings T-62 with new ATGM rockets. These tanks stand till now on arms in Russia.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-62.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t62.htm
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t62weapon.htm

27. In the USSR or Russia there is no concept - the support tank or CS tank. At us the tank of support it - BMPT - a fighting vehicle of support of tanks. We assume that in the tank shells not under the army charter, theoretically, could be loaded. All tanks CS - in game for Russian can be made on 1 or 2 kinds for each type of tanks - approximately as it is made in ours OOB.

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28. unit 024 – T-64 – speed 65 km/h=22, weight 36 tons, weapon 3 = 12.7mm DShK, ROF=7, available smoke discharges
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-64.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/tanki/data/ic_nomenrussiabrontanki/13/

29. unit 026 – T-64A – machine gun NSVT, can use KMT-6, improved armour, new system control fire=change fire control, in 1979 year - new system smoke discharges Tucha – 12 units, in 1975 year improved armour – “korund armour”, weight 38.5 tons, in 1980 in side onboard screens from rubber, 37 shells
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-64.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/tanki/data/ic_nomenrussiabrontanki/13/

30. unit 025 – T-64R - Same as well as T-64A with 30mm armour front turret.
31. unit 027 – T-64B - Same as well as T-64A or T-64R + ATGM, new system control fire, new stabilizer sight, in 1978 new smoke discharges grenades Tucha-2, new radio, 36 shells.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-64.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/tanki/data/ic_nomenrussiabrontanki/13/

31. units 680 – T-64B1 - Same as well as T-64B without ATGM, in 1976
32. unit 028 – T-64BV - Same as well as T-64B with reactive armor
33. unit 029 – T-64BV1 - Same as well as T-64B1 with reactive armor, in 1985
33. all other tanks T-64 series i do not know such.
34. all tanks change weapon 064 on weapon 063 – 7.62mm PKT TMG.
35. unit 030 – T-72 – name T-72 Ural, speed 60 km/h=20, system fire control, stabilizer etc.=T-64A – change fire control, stabilizer, 39 shells
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-72.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-72.html

36. unit 031 – T-72A – in arms 1979, new liser sight, new night sight, inproved front armour turret, new smoke discharge Tucha-2 – 12 units, 44 shells, in 1982 new stabilizer.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-72.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-72.html

37. unit 614 – T-72AV – in service 1985, weight 43 tons, speed 60 km/h=20, with reactive armour
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-72.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-72.html

38. tank T-72B – not in game, in service 1985, with ATGM, new system fire control, with reactive armour, 44,5 tons, new stabilizer, +20mm steel on front turret, new laser sight, new night sight, 45 shells.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-72.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-72.html

39. unit 036 – T-72B(M) – name T-72BM, the meteologic ballistic gauge TWO that considerably raise accuracy of fire - change fire control, reactive armour built in.
40. unit 034 – T-72B1 - - Same as well as T-72B without ATGM.
41. tank T-72B Rogatka – in service 2006, new 125mm gun, new reactive armour “Relict” built in, antiHEAT lattices – side and rear, VIRSS – Shtora,, the device of increase of accuracy of shooting, automatic the ballistic calculator, a multichannel sight, TI 3000 meters, the is passive-active device of supervision, 40mm identification of the purpose without illumination, the multilayered combined protection with reflecting sheets, armour turret front 800mm equivalent (HEAT 1200mm), hull 750mm equivalent (HEAT 1000mm)

http://www.btvt.narod.ru/5/rogatka/rogatka.htm

42. unit 033 - tank T-72BV – Same as well as T-72B + reactive armour – built in.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-72.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-72.html

43. other tanks T-72 series - or never was, or export. It is possible to make some updatings of tanks for new ATGM Rockets

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44. unit 038 – T-80 – speed 70km/h=23, in service 1976, without ATGM, the control system of fire is similar T-64B - with new stibilizer and sights, 38 shells
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-80.htm
http://t80leningrad.narod.ru/tank_t80_1.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80.html
45. unit 039 – T-80B – in service 1978, with ATGM, improved armour turret front, new sight
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-80.htm
http://t80leningrad.narod.ru/tank_t80_1.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80.html
46. tank T-80B1 - Same as well as T-80B without ATGM.


47. unit 040 – T-80BV - Same as well as T-80B with reactive armour, in 1985.
48. unit 053 – T-80U – in service 1985, new sight, new laser sight, new stabilizer, combined night/day sight, new smoke discharge Tucha, improved survivability (fire system), new combined armour with reactive armour Kontakt – built in, in game right
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80u.htm
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-80.htm
http://t80leningrad.narod.ru/tank_t80_1.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80.html
49. unit 850 – T-80UM - Same as well as T-80U + TI + new radio + improved armour, in 2001 year + new stabilizer, new gun, new sight, new system fire control, new sight commander tank.
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80u.htm
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-80.htm
http://t80leningrad.narod.ru/tank_t80_1.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80.html
50. unit 853 – T-80UM1 Bars – name T-80UM-1 Bars, Same as well as T-80UM + new gun + CIWS and VIRSS.
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80u.htm
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-80.htm
http://t80leningrad.narod.ru/tank_t80_1.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80.html
51. other tanks T-80 series - It is possible to make some updatings of tanks for new ATGM Rockets
52. unit – 858 – T-90 – in service 1992 or 1993 ???, it improved T-72BM – ractive armour Kontakt-V built in, new system fire control, new sight stabilized in twoplanes, smoke discharges Tucha – 12 units, 43 shells, VIRSS=Shtora, TI, in 2004 year tank T-90A with improved armour turret
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-90.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-90_v_strou.htm

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53. unit 795 – Chiorniy Oriol – iam offer remove this tank.
54. unit 065 – IS-IIM1944 – name IS-2M1944 its tank clone unit 995.
I will not remember that in designations of tanks in USSR/Russia were used the Roman figures.
55. unit 479 – IS-IIM – name IS-2M, speed 12, in service 1954, weight 46 tons
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/tanki/data/ic_nomenrussiabrontanki/10/
http://armoured.vif2.ru/is-2.htm
56. unit 480 – IS-III – name IS-3, speed 40 km /h= 13, shells: HE 18, AP 10, weight 46 tons
http://armoured.vif2.ru/is-3.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/tanki/data/ic_nomenrussiabrontanki/10/
57. unit 993 – IS-IIIM – name IS-3M, weight 49 tons, I think - from the point of view of game this tank is not interesting.
58. unit – 597 – IS-IV – name IS-4.
59. unit 481 – T-10A/B – name T-10, weight 50 tons, stabilizer not, 30 shells, weapon 2 – 90 bullets, in service 1954
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-10.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/tanki/data/ic_nomenrussiabrontanki/10/

60. unit 067 – T-10A/B – name T-10B, weight 50 tons, weapon 2 = 90 bullets, in service 1957, stibilizer 2
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-10.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/tanki/data/ic_nomenrussiabrontanki/10/

61. unit 482 – T-10M – in service 1958, new sights, change range finder = use 14.5mm MG, device smoke discharge available, 30 shells
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-10.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/tanki/data/ic_nomenrussiabrontanki/10/

62. units 524 and 525 – T-10M – in service 1967 (sabot shells), For this tank it is possible to use since 1967 a gun 098. In this gun it is necessary to change data: HEAT=450mm, Sabot=320mm with 2000meters. This tank use Sabot shells.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-10.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/tanki/data/ic_nomenrussiabrontanki/10/
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/arty/orbm/data/ic_nomenrussiaartyorbm/6/
63. units 460 and 461 – SU-100 – weight 32 tons, without MG, in 1960 new device night view and new radio, speed 17.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/arty/sarty/data/ic_nomenrussiaartysarty/19/
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%A3-100
http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/su100/su100_2.html
http://www.battlefield.ru/content/view/57/45/lang,ru/
http://www.weltkrieg.ru/armoured/SU-100/
64. unit 483, 603, 604 – ISU-152 – weight 46 tons

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65. units 454 and 997 – Sprut-SD – unit class 175 – Lt Airborne tank.
66. unit 333 – BMP-1 – HE shells used only 1973, weight 13 tons, 4 ATMG, used 7.62 PKT TMG – weapon 063, speed 65 km/h=22 land and 2 water
http://armoured.vif2.ru/bmp-1.htm
http://www.rustrana.ru/print.php?nid=3256
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/armour-rus-bmp1/a_bmp1m.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/10/
67. unit 334 – BMP-1B – name BMP-1, speed 65 km/h=22 land and 2 water, weight 13 tons, new sight, shells: HE=16 HEAT=24, 4 new ATGM, weapon3=063
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/armour-rus-bmp1/a_bmp1p.htm
http://armoured.vif2.ru/bmp-1.htm
http://www.rustrana.ru/print.php?nid=3256
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/armour-rus-bmp1/a_bmp1m.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/10/

68. unit 651 – BMP-1P - speed 65 km/h=22 land and 2 water, weight 13 tons, fc=10 - from BMP-1 1973. Survivability = 4 – new fire system, smoke discharges available smoke=2 (Tucha with 6 units), weapon3=063, use ATGM Konkurs 4, can use ATGM Fagot.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/bmp-1.htm
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/armour-rus-bmp1/a_bmp1p.htm
69. unit 654 – BMP-1PG - speed 65 km/h=22 land and 2 water, weight 13 tons, fc=10 - from BMP-1 1973. Survivability = 4 – new fire system, smoke discharges available smoke=2 (Tucha with 6 units), weapon3=063, use ATGM 4, with 30mm AGS.
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/armour-rus-bmp1/a_bmp1pg.htm
http://armoured.vif2.ru/bmp-1.htm

70. unit 664 – BMP-1D - speed 65 km/h=22, weight 14 tons, fc=10 - from BMP-1 1973, improved armour, without ATGM
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/armour-rus-bmp1/a_bmp1d.htm
http://armoured.vif2.ru/bmp-1.htm

71. unit 650 – BMP-1M - speed 65 km/h=22 land and 2 water, weight 14 tons, with fighting module “Kliver” – with TI, ATGM Kornet=4, shells 30mm: HE 20 Sabot 10, use smoke discharges. Fighting module “Kliver” – modern made, why the small stabilizer and fire control? Weapon3=063.

http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/armour-rus-bmp1/a_bmp1m.htm

http://armoured.vif2.ru/bmp-1.htm

72. unit 335 – BMP-2 - 65 km/h=22 land and 2 water, weight 13 tons, shells (500): HE 34 AP 16, ATGM=4, smoke discharge=2 available Tucha with 6 units, weapon3=063
http://armoured.vif2.ru/bmp-2.htm
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/armour-rus-bmp2/a_bmp2_kornet.htm

73. unit 337 and 221 – BMP-2D – in service 1982 (afgan war), speed 65 km/h=22, improved armour, weight 14.5 tons, without ATGM, can use AGS – variant modernization, weapon3=063
http://armoured.vif2.ru/bmp-2.htm
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/armour-rus-bmp2/a_bmp2d.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/10/

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74. BMP-2PG – 1981 with AGS 30mm.
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/armour-rus-bmp2/a_bmp2pg.htm
75. BMP-2 – in 1986 new sights
http://armoured.vif2.ru/bmp-2.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/bmp2_0.htm
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/armour-rus-bmp2/a_bmp2.htm

76. unit 340 – BMP-3 – in service 1987, new system fire control, HE=40 100mm shells, 500 or 750 (variants models) shells for 2A72 30mm gun, ATGM 5 or 8 (variants models), 2 BMG machin guns (offer remove this MGs), x1the coupled machine gun PKT TMG, new stabilizer, speed 70 km/h=23 land and 3 water, weight 18.7 tons, In front BMP-3 the water reflecting guard is established - protection HEAT should be more, new system antifire = improve survivability
http://armoured.vif2.ru/bmp-3.htm
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/bmp3/bmp3.htm
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/armour-rus-bmp3/a_bmp3.htm
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/armour-rus-bmp3/a_bmp3m1.htm
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/armour-rus-bmp3/a_bmp3d.htm
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/armour-rus-bmp3/a_bmp3m.htm
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/armour-rus-bmp3/a_bmp3-shtora.htm
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/armour-rus-bmp3/a_bmp3mod.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/10/

77. BMP-3M – in 1999, with CIWS-Arena, improved armour sides, new sights, TI
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/armour-rus-bmp3/a_bmp3m.htm
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/armour-rus-bmp3/a_bmp3mod.htm
78. BMP-3 – in 2001, with reactive armour “Kaktus”
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/armour-rus-bmp3/a_bmp3d.htm
http://www.vpk-news.ru/article.asp?pr_sign=archive.2006.127.articles.defe nce_02
79. BMP-3 – in 2003, with VIRSS=Shtora
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/armour-rus-bmp3/a_bmp3-shtora.htm
80. BMP-3F Differs from BMP-3 only more long time of stay in water = 7 hours. Iam offer remove.
http://rusarmy.ru/unit.php?id=77
81. BMP-3M – in 2005, new fighting module “Bakhcha-U”, HE=48 shells 100mm, 4 ATGM, 500 shells 30mm 2A72, 7.62mm PKT TMG, new system control fire
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/armour-rus-bmp3/a_bmp3m1.htm

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82.unit 475, 694, 695, 698, 699, 701 – BMD-1 series – speed 61km/h=20 land and water 10km/h=3
http://armoured.vif2.ru/bmd-1.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/8/
books: Boevie mashiny desanta, Vooruzhenie sovetskoy tehniki 1945-1995.
83. unit 476, 668 – BMD-2 – in service 1985, weapon3=063, speed 61 km/h=22 land and 3 water, shells 300 HE=200 and Sabot=100, 3 ATGM Konkurs or Fagot.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/bmd-2.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/8/

84. units 477, 478 – BMD-3 – in service 1990, weight 13 tons, available smoke dischargers Tucha – 6 units=2, new sights, new stabilizer, 4 ATGM, shells 500 HE=340 and Sabot=160, 30mm AGS 290 shells, Except the core, in the APC the additional unit of fire from 360 cartridges to a gun (AP, HE, Sabot shots) and two ATGM can take places. Speed 23 land and 3 water.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/bmd-3.htm
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/bmd3.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/8/

85. unit 703- BMD-4/-3M – name BMD-4 Bakhcha-U, in service 2006, weight 13.6 tons, 100mm gun use HE=34 shells, 30mm 2A72 use 500 shells, 4 ATGM Arkan, 7.62 PKT TMG, speed 70km/h=23 land and 3 water, Data on fire control, range finder and stibilizer should be up to standard BMP-3 of last updatings.
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%9C%D0%94-4
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/8/
86. unit 516 – BTR-D – in service 1974, available 4unit Tucha smoke dischargers, from above could be established 7.62 PKT CMG machine guns, in second half 80th years at some BTR-D have appeared 30mm AGS, speed 20 and 3.
http://www.rustrana.ru/article.php?nid=3174
http://www.army.lv/?s=251&id=62
http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr-d.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/16/
book: Boevie mashiny desanta, p. 31-34.
87. units 518, 677, 678, 679 – BTR-RD – name BTR-RD Robot, in service 1979, use 5 ATGM Fagot/Faktoria or 4 Konkurs
88. units 439 and 517 – BTR-ZD – name BTR-ZD Skrezhet, in service 1984, use Strela-3 = 6 shots or ZU-23-2.

[KraMax]

89. unit 300 – BTR-152 – have clone units 657 and 881, in service 1950, carry infs.=17 soldiers+2crew, speed 22.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr152.htm
90. unit 301 – BTR-152K – in service 1957 or 1959 ????? , have top armour, carry infantry =13+2crew, speed 22.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr152.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/17/
91. units 215, 240, 268 – BTR-40 – in service 1950, can carry 8 soldiers+2 crew, in 1958 year have armour on top and carry=6 soldiers and have name BTR-40B, speed 80km/h=27
http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr40.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/17/
92. unit 400 – BTR-40A – in service 1951, 1200 bullets = 120/2=60 bullets for game, speed 27.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr40.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/17/
93. unit 329 – BTR-50P – unit 884 clone unit 329, On arms has been accepted in 1954, but it is made serially since 1952, weight 14 tons, can carry 20 soldiers (Here it is not clear in one source 20 persons it only on water are spoken that, in other is written that it could transport 20 persons), 44 km/h=15 and 3 water, survivability=3, weapon = 1x 7.62mm SGMB CMG
http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr50.htm
http://btvt.narod.ru/5/btr50/btr50.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/16/
94. APC (track) – BTR-50PA – in service 1954, with 14.5mm KPVT AAMG on small turret= fire control=1 and range finder=1 or 2, 500 bullets
http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr50.htm
http://btvt.narod.ru/5/btr50/btr50.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/16/
95. unit 330 – BTR-50PK – unit 331 and 885 clone this unit, in service 1959, with top armour, survivability=4, with night vision device and IR – vision change, weight 15 tons, carry 14, weapon 7.62mm MG, can transport and use fire 85mm AT gun, can open fire from AT gun in water, shells ????.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr50.htm
http://btvt.narod.ru/5/btr50/btr50.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/16/
book: Tank PT-76.

[KraMax]

96. unit 302, 658, 882, – BTR-60P - In different sources it is spoken that the batch production has begun in 1960 and 1961, weapon only 1x 7.62 SGMB, can use more MG, but they not base weapon, speed 80km/h=27 and 10km/h=3 water, carry 14 soldiers.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr60.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/17/
book: BTR-60,70,80,90 p.1-37
97. APC (wheel) –BTR-60PA – in service 1963, modernized BTR-60P with top armour, carry 12 soldiers, weapon only 1x 7.62mm MG.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr60.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/17/
book: BTR-60,70,80,90 p.1-37
98. unit 303, 659, 883 – BTR-60PB – in service 1965, speed 27 and 3, weapon 2 = 7.62mm PKT TMG – this machine gun is coupled with 14.5mm KPV.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr60.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/17/
book: BTR-60,70,80,90 p.1-37
99. unit 304 – BTR-70 – in service 1976 (in arms 1972), weight 11 tons, speed 27 and 3, unit 660 clone this unit, weapon 2 = 063
http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr-70.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/17/
book: BTR-60,70,80,90 p.38-52
100. unit 305, 661 – BTR-70A - Is not present such BTR, On BTR-70 the equipment for statement of smokes (6 units=2 smoke) has been established, but it is not known in what year, I think that at planned repairs of these APC, weapon 2 = 063

101. unit 306 – BTR-80 –in service 1986, speed 30 and 3, smoke dischargers = 6 units = 2 in game, weapon2=063, new radio, unit 662 clone, weight 14 tons
http://worldweapon.ru/tank/btr80.php
http://www.army.lv/?s=1506&id=393
http://www.niistali.ru/pr_secure/bmp.htm
book: BTR-60,70,80,90 part 2. p.1-20
102. unit 307 – BTR-80A – in service 1994, turret with 30mm 2A72 (300 shells) and 7.62mm PKT TMG coupled, smoke dischargers 6 units=2 smoke in game, weight 14.5 tons, new sights, speed 30 and 3, unit 663 clone, not stibilizer
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/17/
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/armour-rus-other/a_btr80a.htm
http://www.army.lv/?s=1506&id=393&v=6#info
book: BTR-60,70,80,90 part 2. p.21-26
103. unit 308, 309, 207 – BTR-90 – name BTR-90 Rostok, in service ???????, variants weapons: 1) turret from bmp-2 30mm 2A42 A/C + 7.62mm PKT TMG+4 ATGM Konkurs+30mm AGS GL; 2) turret fighting module “Kliver” 30mm 2A72 AC+7.62mm PKT TMG+4 ATGM Kornet+30mm AGS GL; 3) turret firghting module “Bakhcha-U” from BMP-3M and BMD-4 – 100mm 2A70+30mm 2A72+7.62mm PKT TMG+ATGM Arkan… weight 20 tons, improved armour, in 500 meters front armour not penetration 23mm sabot shell = armour more 6, In different sources it is spoken about different speeds BTR-90 - 80-100 km/h ??????????, speed on water 10 km/h, new sights, stabilizer two planes
book: BTR-60,70,80,90 part 2. p.31-36
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/17/
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/armour-rus-other/a_btr90.htm
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/armour-rus-other/a_btr90_2.htm
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/armour-rus-other/a_btr90_1.htm

[KraMax]

104. unit 269 – BRDM-1 – Batch production since 1957, weapon only 7.62 SGM MG, but can use 12.7 DShK and more 7.62mm MG. Iam offer make only one variant with 1x 7.62mm MG
http://armoured.vif2.ru/brdm.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/13/
http://www.russarms.com/land/msv/tech-brdm-2.asp
105. unit 270, 628, 704 – BRDM-2 – in service 1962 (batch production since 1964 – 5 vehicle, in 1965 – mass production), this vehicle use turret from BTR-60, 70, 80 (with 14.5mm KPV TMG and A/C, 7.62mm PKT TMG) = fire control and range finder need change, speed in water 10km/h=3, in 80th available smoke dischargers as at BTRs series, armour turret as at BTR series. Can be in 80th on vehicle install 30mm AGS GL for more fire power.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/brdm-2.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/13/
http://www.russarms.com/land/msv/tech-brdm-2.asp

106. unit 271 – BRM-1 – name BRM-1K Korshun, unit 697, 700 is clone = need clean, in arms 1972 (in batch production 1973), available smoke dischargers Tucha 6 units=2 in game, with GSR (radar), laser sight, very a lot sights and other devices distinct from BMP-1 = change range finder and fire control, 73mm gun =20 shells, 7,62mm PKT TMG, crew=6 (Crew BRM-1 consists of six persons: the commander, the tipper-of (sit next in a tower), mechanic-driver, the navigator (settle down in a forward part of the case) and two observers (take places in a fodder part of the car).), speed 22 and 2 water, weight 13 tons
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/13/
http://www.army.lv/index.php?s=115&id=63
http://armoured.vif2.ru/brm-1k.htm
http://www.smallafv.nn.ru/gallery/KonstantinRedkin_BRM-1.html
http://www.desant.com.ua/tsr.html
107. unit 272, 273 – BRM-2 - I know nothing about existence of these units in armies of the USSR or the Russian Federation. Probably that further pre-production models has put has not promoted. Also I have found the information on that in one of sources that ostensibly these units were delivered to India.
108. units 274, 275, 276, 277, 349, 350 – BRM-3 – name BRM-3K Rys (Engslish translation=Lynx), in arms 1995, 30mm = 600 shells, 7.62mm PKT TMG coupled, GSR, TI etc, new sights and devices, speed 23 and 2 water, weight 20 tons
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/13/
http://armoured.vif2.ru/brm-3k.htm
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/bmp3/bmp3.htm
http://www.nivasposad.ru/school/homepages/all_arhiv/2003-2004/chuhalenko/ivinskii/2.htm
http://topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/units.pl?field=8&unit=2294
http://www.rusarmy.com/brone/rzm_brm-3k_ruis.htm
http://www.rbs.ru/vttv/99/firms/rubtsmz/r-brm.htm
http://gnomus.narod.ru/guns/bmp/brm3k/brm3k.htm
http://www.tankpedia.ru/wiki/index.php/%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%80%D0%B0% D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%8B%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%82%D0 %B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1% 88%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%91%D0%A0%D0%9C-3%D0%9A
109. scout vehicle – BRDM-3 – on base BTR-80A, in arms begin 90th, 30mm 2A72 = 300 shells, 7.62mm PKT TMG, smoke dischargers Tucha = 6 units
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/13/
http://www.army.lv/?s=1506&id=396

[KraMax]

110. unit 213, 332, 551, 655, 800, 801, 870, 871, 390 - clone, 391 – clone, 872 – clone – MT-LB – unit class APC, in arms 1970 (in batch production 1966), carry=111, can transport artillery, weight 12 tons, speed 61km/h=20 and 6km/h water=2, turret with 7.62mm PKT TMG, in armies modernized MT-LB – installed – ZU-23-2, in 2001 Insignificant modernisation, replacement of engines, smoke pomegranates etc.–new name – MT-LBM – turret with 7.62mm PKT TMG or 12.7mm NSVT AAMG (MT-LBVMK), new radio, weight 12-13 tons, name MT-LBM-6MA – with BTR-80 turret (14.5mm KPVT AC and 7.62mm PKT TMG)+6 unit smoke dischargers=2, name MT-LBM-6M1A3 – with 4 ATGM Kornet 7.62mm PKT TMG and 30mm AGS GL, smoke ???, name MT-LBM-6MB – with BTR-80A turret (30mm 2A72 gun (300 shells) + 7.62mm PKT TMG - stabilized)+6 units smoke dischargers=2, name MT-LBM-6M1B2 with turret (30mm 2A42 gun (300 shells)+7.62mm PKT TMG+30mm AGS GL), weapons stabilized, smoke dischargers=2.
In MT-LB installed mortars 82mm (80 or 96 shells) and 120mm, included moratar Vasilek on top.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/16/
http://armoured.vif2.ru/mt-lb.htm
http://www.promrealty.ru/mt_lb.htm
http://btvt.narod.ru/5/mtlbm/mtlbm.htm
file Microsoft Power Point presentation (.PPS) for new MT-LB modernizations:
www.pecypc.kz/kramax/4/11_mt-lb.pps (http://www.pecypc.kz/kramax/4/11_mt-lb.pps)
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111. unit 218 – PRP-2 - I have not found data about this unit. Iam offer clean.
112. unit 219 – PRP-3 – name PRP-3 Val, in arm 1971 (in batch production 1972), weight 14 tons, on basis of chassis BMP-1, 7.62 PKT TMG
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/10/
http://topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/units.pl?field=8&unit=2376

113. unit 692 – PRP-4 – name PRP-4 Nard, in arm 1984, on basis of chassis BMP-2, 7.62 PKT TMG, new GSR, TI
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/10/
http://topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/units.pl?field=8&unit=2376

114. unit 696 – PRP-4M/MU – name PRP-4M Deiteriy, in arms 1988, new GSR, new TI etc, on basis of chassis BMP-2, weapon1=063
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/10/
http://topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/units.pl?field=8&unit=2376

115. FO vehicle - PRP-4MU – in arms ????, new GSR, new hight device, on basis of chassis BMP-2.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/10/
116. units 216, 217 – ACRV-2 - I have not found data about this unit. Iam offer clean.
117. unit 629 - SNAR-10 GSR FO – name SNAR-10 Leopard, in arms 1971, weight 12 tons, speed 20 and 2 water, on basis of chassis MT-LB, GSR, many other devices, fire control=1,smoke ???
http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tech-rlsar-snar-10.asp
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/16/
118. fo vehicle - SNAR-10M – modernized GSR “Pantera”.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/16/


119. units 773, 774 – K61 – in arms 1948
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/spmachine/ippds/data/ic_nomenrussiaspmachineippds/1/
120. unit 775 – PTS-M – in arms 1965
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/spmachine/ippds/data/ic_nomenrussiaspmachineippds/1/

[DRG]

I took one bit of "information" you have provided at random and ran a check

"112. unit 219 – PRP-3 – name PRP-3 Val, in arm 1971 (in batch production 1972),"

Here's the English version of that topgun website

http://www.topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/units.pl?field=8&unit=2376&lng=eng

Note the "Date of Introduction: 1975"

Now..... there's a big difference in when a vehicle enters production or is in production and when it finally gets to the troops so what we have to establish here is if the Russian sources you always quote are giving the "accepted in arms" date as the date it actually started being used by troops ( that's the only date I care about ) or the date some bureaucrat in the Russian Ministry of Defence said it's OK to start the process of production.

Don

[KraMax]

Strange. On the same site here is not present words about 1975. Look:

http://topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/units.pl? field=8&unit=2376

And here it is written that Has been accepted on arms PRP-3 in 1971 and the batch production has been organised in Rubtsovsk. But this car have developed not in Rubtsovsk, it have developed and have created in Kurganmashzavod (Kurgan Engineering Works) and the batch production has been organised at first there in 1972 and only in 1979 the batch production also has been organised in Rubtsovsk (Rubtsovsk Engineering Works). About it it is written in this source:

http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/bron/bbm/data/ic_nomenrussiabronbbm/10/

Also here still link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_BMP_variants

[KraMax]

121. unit 467 – TO-34 – speed 18, weight 32 tons
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2-34
122. unit 469 – TO-54 – in arms 1954, speed 17, data same as well as at T-54, weight 30 tons
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-54.htm
123. unit 468 – TO-55 – in batch production 1968 (in game 1958), data same as well as at T-55
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-55.htm
124. unit 470 – TO-62 - I have not found data about this unit.
125. unit 462, 608, 474 – ASU-85 – weight 15.5 tons, in arms 1958 (batch production 1959), speed 15, 2 units smoke dischargers, in middle 70th install 12.7mm AAMG, in unit 474 – weapon2=7,62 SGMB.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/asu-85.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/arty/sarty/data/ic_nomenrussiaartysarty/20/
http://topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/units.pl?unit=2371
http://www.army.lv/?s=740&id=347&v=1#info
http://legion.wplus.net/guide/army/ar/asu-85.shtml
126. unit 500 – 2S1 Gvozdika – in arms 1971 (in batch production 1972), weight 15 tons, 40 shells – 35 HE and 5 HEAT, ob basis of chassis MT-LB – change armour, vision=0, speed 20 and 2 water
http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/04/122/
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/arty/sarty/data/ic_nomenrussiaartysarty/19/
book: Vooruzhenie Sovetskoy tehniki (Arms of the Soviet armoured technics 1945-1995)
127. unit 501, 502, 503 – 2S3 Akatsiya – in arms 1971 (on diffirent sources batch production in 1970 or 1973), 40 shells – 36 HE and 4 HEAT, vision=0, speed 60km/h=20, on basis of chassis SAM Krug, ROF=3 or 3.5, weight 27 tons, in 1975 year change shells = 46 (2S3M), iam offer use gun 111 (corrected), I think wiout AP shells, vision=0, in middle 80th in USSR made big work on create cluster shells for guns, in 1987 (2S3M1), new devices, new sights, vision=0, iiam offer use AP shell without HEAT, use gun 111 (corrected)
http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/04/152-2/
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/arty/sarty/data/ic_nomenrussiaartysarty/19/
http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tech-artl-2c3-akatsia.asp
book: Vooruzhenie Sovetskoy tehniki (Arms of the Soviet armoured technics 1945-1995)
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=603570&page=0&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
128. unit 589 – 2S4 Tulpan – in arms 1971 (in batch production 1974) speed 62km/h=21, shells HE=40 (9650 meters) or 20 projectile HE shells (18000 meters), ROF 1, size 5, crew 5
http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tech-artl-2c4-tulpan.asp
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/arty/sarty/data/ic_nomenrussiaartysarty/16/
129. unit 812, 813 – 2S7 Pion and 2S7M Malka – quantity shells – error???
130. units 593 and 916 – 2S9 Nona-S – iam offer - unit class SP Howitzer
131. SP Howitzer – Sviristelka SPA – name 2S9-1 Sviristelka, this is 2S9 Nona-S modernized, not swim ??? and more shells transport, 40 shells, in arms 1984
http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/02/01/
http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tech-artl-2c9-nona-s-base.asp
132. units 595, 594, 915, 917 – iam offer change class unit SP Howitzer
133. unit 506 and 600 – 2S19 Msta-S – name 2S19 MSTA-S, weight 42 tons, I think survivability 5, smoke dischargers 6 unit=2 in game, vision=0, on basis of chassis T-72 and T-80, armour at as T-72 without combined armour
http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/2c19-msta/tech-2c19-msta-b.asp
http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=1580.0
http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/msta/msta.php
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%D0%A119
http://legion.wplus.net/guide/army/ar/2s19.shtml
134. SP Artillery – Koalitsiya-SV – it future unit, on basis of chassis tank T-72 and T-80, 70 shells, 2 GUNS, ROF 16 for two gun – 8 for 1 gun, weight 55 tons
http://btvt.narod.ru/3/koalition_sv/koalition_sv.htm

[DRG]

KraMax said:
Strange. On the same site here is not present words about 1975. Look:

http://topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/units.pl? field=8&unit=2376



Yes, I know. I looked at all the info before posting this. Perhaps you could enquire WHY the English version differs so much from the Russian one ?

Don

[KraMax]

I can not tell definitely, but I can assume, that data in the Russian and English version of page not always change or simply forget it to make.

[KraMax]

135. unit 061 - 82mm Mortar – iam offer unit class – Mortar.
136. unit 560 – 82mm Mortar Sec – iam offer remove this unit. On organizational-regular structure each mortar is 1 branch. 3 mortars in one unit it are wrong and is unnecessary, besides it takes a place in OOB.
137. Mortar – 82mm Mortar – weapon – mortar 2B14 82mm, in arms 1982. Iam offer include this mortar in game.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/arty/mmet/data/ic_nomenrussiaartymmet/1/
http://www.sudden-strike.ru/news/detail.php?ID=4333
138. unit 563 – 2-120mm Mortars – iam offer remove weapon2. On organizational-regular structure each mortar is 1 branch. 3 mortars in one unit it are wrong
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/arty/mmet/data/ic_nomenrussiaartymmet/1/
139. unit 566 - 2-120mm Mortars - iam offer remove weapon2. On organizational-regular structure each mortar is 1 branch. 3 mortars in one unit it are wrong. I have not found data about a mortar 2B. In 1955 on arms it was accepted two mortars 120mm, but the most widespread mortar for today 120mm in the Russian army is a mortar 2B11. In arms and batch production 1981.
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=603570&page=0&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/arty/mmet/data/ic_nomenrussiaartymmet/1/
140. unit 815 - 120 Nona Mortar – armies have this weapon only in 2007 (in middle 80th this weapon not in arms). Iam offer change gun from our OOB – 120mm 2B18, name unit 120mm Nona SM-1. Exact data about it are not present, except range of shooting. Iam offer increase quantity shells.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/arty/mmet/data/ic_nomenrussiaartymmet/1/
141. unit 565 - 160mm Mortar – in arms 1949, The modernised divisional mortar of 1943 (with the increased length burrel)
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/arty/mmet/data/ic_nomenrussiaartymmet/1/
142. unit 588 – 2B9 Vasilek – iam offer change unit class=201 Mortar (Sub type B)
143. Mortar (Sub Type A) – 240mm Mortar – in arms 1950, use gun at as Tulpan, can shoot nuclear shells, radio=93
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/arty/mmet/data/ic_nomenrussiaartymmet/1/
144. unit 425 - 152mm D-1 FH – unit class Howitzer=154, ROF=4
145. unit 424 – 130mm M46 FG – name 130mm M-46 FG, in arms 1954 (in batch production 1951), ROF = on diffirent sources 6 or 8.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/arty/barty/polevaya/data/ic_nomenrussiaartybartypolevaya/11/
http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/01/130/
http://rpg1.ru/view49.html
http://mega.km.ru/weaponry/encyclop.asp?TopicNumber=1573
146. unit 426 - 152mm D20 FG – name 152 D-20 Khitin, crew 10, unit class Howitzer=154, used many shells HE, HEAT, cluster, I have counted 18 type shells, in game not present on-map unit with AP shells.
http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/01/152-3/
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/arty/barty/polevaya/data/ic_nomenrussiaartybartypolevaya/11/
147. Filed Gun – 122mm D-74 FG – in game not present on-map unit, in arms 1954 (in batch production 1956), have sight for direct shoot, use shell VBR-472 - I could not find data on this shell, therefore I do not know what it HEAT or AP/Sabot.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/arty/barty/polevaya/data/ic_nomenrussiaartybartypolevaya/11/
148. unit 422 - 122mm M30 FH – name 122mm M-30 FH, class unit Howitzer=154
149. unit 423 - 122mm D30 FH – name 122mm D-30 FH, second name - 122mm D-30 FH Lyagushka, unit class Howitzer=154, in arms 1960, also I offer clone thise unit unit class Airborne Field Howitzer=184 and for this unit increase quantity HEAT shells.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/arty/barty/polevaya/data/ic_nomenrussiaartybartypolevaya/10/
http://www.sudden-strike.ru/news/detail.php?ID=4328
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/122-%D0%BC%D0%BC_%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%86% D0%B0_%D0%94-30
http://weaponsas.narod.ru/Art_d30.htm
150. unit 427 – Giatsint-B – in game not present on-map artillery with AP shells (cluster munition). Shooting from a gun is conducted by the shots developed specially for it. We assume that shells have been developed for it together with a gun. I suggest to make this gun with cluster shells in game at least since 1978.

http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/01/152-1/
http://mega.km.ru/weaponry/encyclop.asp?TopicNumber=1550
http://www.sudden-strike.ru/news/detail.php?ID=4329
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%D0%9036
http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=859.0
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/arty/barty/polevaya/data/ic_nomenrussiaartybartypolevaya/11/
151. Howitzer – MSTA-B – in game not present on-map variant gun. Iam offer make it.

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152. units 188, 547, 807 - 203mm 2A44 Guns - This gun was established on 2S7 Pion and 2S7M Malka. I have not found data about that that this gun was towed. I suggest to make since 1983-85 for 2S7M Malka - one more variant of this gun (the weapon number 229 in our OOB) and to make 5 shells or all AP (cluster). Also I suggest to make off-map a variant 2S7M Malka with a considerable quantity of an ammunition.
153. unit 256 - BM-13 Katyusha - weight 12 tons, speed 40km/h=13
154. unit 254 - BM-14-16 - wrong photo, in arms 1952 (in batch production 1952, in 1958 ended), crew 7, size 4, weight 10, radio 91 or 92, survivability ????, speed 60 km/h=20, change icon
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/bm14_16/bm14_16.shtml
155. unit 262 - BM-24 Platoon - in arms 1952, in 1955 increase range 10,6 km, in 1962 more increase range 17.5 km. This car has not received a wide circulation in armies., crew 6, size 5, weight 12 tons, speed 55km/h
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/rocket/nureaktsys/data/ic_nomenrussiarocketnureaktsys/9/
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/bm-24.htm
156. unit 522 - RPU-14 - in arms 1956 (batch production 1957), created for paratroops armies (VDV)
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/rocket/nureaktsys/data/ic_nomenrussiarocketnureaktsys/9/
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/rpu14/rpu14.shtml
157. unit 257 - BM-21 Grad - weight 15 tons, size 5, crew 5, survivability ???, speed (armed) 75km/h, radio 92 (????)
http://www.sudden-strike.ru/news/detail.php?ID=4339
http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tech-rszo-grad.asp
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/grad/grad.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-21

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158. SP Rocket Launcher – BM-21V Grad-V – weapon from Grad 122mm rockets, in arms 1967 (for paratroops VDV), on basis of chasis GAZ-66, 12 shells (6x6), crew 5, size 4, speed (armed) 85 km/h=28
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/grad_v/grad_v.shtml
159. unit 266 - BM-21 CM Pl – size 5, in game not present on-map variant this is unit, iam not found date in arms.
160. unit 258, 261 - 9P140 Uragan – wrong name, correct BM-27 Uragan. Name 9P140 – name for chasis this weapon. In arms and batch production 1975, weight 20,2 tons, speed 65km/h=22
http://www.splav.org/ru/arms/uragan/pu.asp
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/rocket/nureaktsys/data/ic_nomenrussiarocketnureaktsys/9/
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/uraga/uraga.shtml
161. unit 265 – TOS-1 – variants 24 burrels (TOS-1A) and 30 burrels (TOS-1), speed 60km/h=20, on basis of chasis T-72 tank, weight on diffirent sources 42-46 tons, survivability=4 ????, in arms begin 1995 (batch production and used in afgan war in 80th), old rockets range 3500 meters, new rockets range 6000 meters, radio=92
http://btvt.narod.ru/3/tos1.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/rocket/nureaktsys/data/ic_nomenrussiarocketnureaktsys/9/
http://armoured.vif2.ru/tos-1.htm
http://www.army.lv/?s=741&id=197
162. unit 259 - BM-30 Smerch Pl – crew 32 for platoon, in arms and batch production 1987, armour ??????. iam offer include more one variant BM-30 Smerch with cluster munition and used weapon from our OOB – weapon number 102 (unit in our OOB 536 and 537)
http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tech-rszo-smerch.asp
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/rocket/nureaktsys/data/ic_nomenrussiarocketnureaktsys/9/
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/smerch/smerch.shtml

[KraMax]

163. unit 380 - BRDM-1 Snapper – name 2K16 Shmel, on basis of chasis 2P27 – BRDM-1
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/rocket/ptcomplex/data/ic_nomenrussiarocketptcomplex/5/
164. unit 381 - BRDM-1 Swatter – name 2K8 Falanga, on basis of chasisi BRDM-1
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/rocket/ptcomplex/data/ic_nomenrussiarocketptcomplex/5/
165. unit 382 - BRDM-1 Sagger – name 9K14 Malyutka, on basis of chasisi BRDM-1, 6 burrels – ROF=6
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/rocket/ptcomplex/data/ic_nomenrussiarocketptcomplex/5/
http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=1598.0
166. unit 383 - BRDM-2 ATGM – name 9K11M Malyutka-M, 6 burrels – ROF=6, on basis of chasis BRDM-2
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/rocket/ptcomplex/data/ic_nomenrussiarocketptcomplex/5/
167. unit 384 - BRDM-2 ATGM – name 9K11P Malyutka-P, 6 burrels – ROF=6, on basis of chasis BRDM-2
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/rocket/ptcomplex/data/ic_nomenrussiarocketptcomplex/5/
168. unit 385 - BRDM-2 ATGM – name 9K8 Fleyta, 6 burrels – ROF=6, on basis of chasis BRDM-2
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/rocket/ptcomplex/data/ic_nomenrussiarocketptcomplex/5/
169. unit 630 –BRDM-2 ATGM - name ?????? can be 9K111 Fagot, 5 burrels – ROF=5
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/rocket/ptcomplex/data/ic_nomenrussiarocketptcomplex/5/
170. unit 631 –BRDM-2 ATGM – name ??????, wrong weapon1, used Faktoria ATGM, ROF=5
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/rocket/ptcomplex/data/ic_nomenrussiarocketptcomplex/5/
171. unit 632 – BRDM-2 ATGM – name ?????, ROF=5
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/rocket/ptcomplex/data/ic_nomenrussiarocketptcomplex/5/
http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=1396.0
172. unit 386 and 387 – BRDM-2 ATGM –name ?????, ROF=5
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/rocket/ptcomplex/data/ic_nomenrussiarocketptcomplex/5/
http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=1396.0
173. unit 378 – UAZ-69 Snapper – name GAZ-69 ATGM
174. unit 389 - Krizantema-S – correct name Khrizantema-S, in arms 2002 or 2003, on basis of chasis BMP-3, survivability=5 ????, GSR with mm-cells (Millimetric lattice) vision=60 ???, speed 23 and 3 water, weight 13 tons, ultra-sonic missiles used. It is written that such 3 ATGMs can to reflect successfully an attack of 14 tanks of the opponent, having destroyed thus not less than 60 % of these tanks. Iam not found information on ATGM Khrizantema for infantry team, found only on basis of chasis BMP-3. Iam offer change class unit=19 - SP ATGM
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/xrizantema.htm
http://www.army-guide.com/rus/product1650.html
http://www.kbm.ru/ru/product/ptrk/hrizantema-c
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/rocket/ptcomplex/data/ic_nomenrussiarocketptcomplex/5/


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Probably names BRDM ATGM and BRDM-2 ATGM to leave as is, but only without the NATO designation?

[KraMax]

175. unit 388 - BMP-3 Kornet – ATGM quantity = 16, on basis of chasis BMP-3, weapon2= 120 bullets, survivability=5 ????, speed 23 and 2 water, available until=120. Also have variant on basis of chasis BTR-80 – with 12 ATGM, change class unit = 19 SP ATGM
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/cornet/cornet.shtml
http://gunsite.narod.ru/kornet_e.htm
http://www.rusarmy.com/strelo/ptrk_kornet-e_var.htm
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/kornet.htm


176. unit 407 - 9P149 Shturm – name Shturm-S, name 9P149 – it name chasis, ROF=4, 12 ATGM Kokon 9M114, weight 12 tons, speed 20 and 2 water, crew 2, carry 0, change class unit = 19 SP ATGM
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/shturms/shturms.shtml
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/Shturm.htm
http://www.kbm.ru/ru/product/ptrk/shturm-ataka
http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tech-ptur-shturms.asp
177. unit 408 - 9P149 Ataka – name Shturm-SM, in arms 1985, it modernized variant unit Shturm-S with ATGM Ataka 9M120, 12 ATGM, ROF=4, crew 2, weight 12 tons, speed 20 and 2 water, carry 0, change class unit = 19 Sp ATGM. Iam offer in 90th years make variant Sturm-SM with TI sight (I have not found exact date when have established such sight. But such sights are.) also I offer make variant unit Shturm-SM with ATGM 9M120M Ataka-M, can be - begin 2000th
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/shturms/shturms.shtml
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/Shturm.htm
http://www.kbm.ru/ru/product/ptrk/shturm-ataka
http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tech-ptur-shturms.asp
178. unit 642 – Tiger Kvartet - There are no exact data about presence of this car in army. But there are characteristics of a launcher for ATGM Kornet. I think that in army they are. I, for example, did not know that in army there are these cars with a machine gun 7.62mm PKT CMG and 30mm AGS GL - these cars were on the red area in Moscow on victory parade. To you to decide - to clean it from game or not to touch.
Factory: http://www.kbptula.ru/rus/atgw/kvartet.htm
English: http://www.kbptula.ru/eng/atgw/kvartet.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/a2targets/data/ic_nomenrussiaa2targets/7/
179. unit 643 - Vest ATGM – wrong photo, this unit on basis of chasis UAZ-3151
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/a2targets/data/ic_nomenrussiaa2targets/7/

[KraMax]

180. unit 290 - SA-2 Guideline – correct name S-75 Dvina, In game almost all is correct, only why parametre EW is established = 2?
http://pvo.guns.ru/s75/s75_data.htm
http://mvizru84.my1.ru/index/0-10

181. Area SAM - S-75 Volkhov – we offer include in game this is unit from our OOB, modernized S-75 Dvina, in arms 1962, FC=105, EW=4, its weapon used in Vietnam war.
http://pvo.guns.ru/s75/s75_data.htm
http://mvizru84.my1.ru/index/0-10

182. unit 291 - SA-3 Goa – correct name S-125 Neva, we offer change EW=4 for weapon next generation in this type. The set of modern decisions for this weapon is used.
http://pvo.guns.ru/s125/s125.htm
http://www.raspletin.ru/production/old/s125.php

183. Area SAM – S-125 Neva, modernized variant, in arms 1970, EW=5, ROF=4, FC=105
http://pvo.guns.ru/s125/s125.htm
http://www.raspletin.ru/production/old/s125.php

184. unit 292 - SA-4 Ganef – correct name Krug A, on basis of modernized chasis SU-100P, speed 16, FC=105, survivability=2 ?????? In 1971 unit modernized – name Krug M – EW=5.
http://pvo.guns.ru/krug/krug09.htm
http://pvo.guns.ru/krug/krug.htm
http://pvo.guns.ru/krug/krug04.htm
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/krug/krug.shtml
185. unit 283 - SA-6 Gainful – correct name Kub, in arms 1967, FC=105, survivability=3 ?????, speed=16, in 1973 modernized variant – name Kub M1, FC=110
http://pvo.guns.ru/kub/kub6.htm
http://pvo.guns.ru/kub/kub.htm
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/kub/kub.shtml
186. unit 289 - SA-11 Gadfly – correct name Buk, speed 18, survivability=3 ?????, ROF=4, EW=6, in 1983 make modernization variant – name Buk M1, EW=7
http://pvo.guns.ru/buk/buk_4.htm
http://www.ump.mv.ru/buk_ttx.htm
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/buk/buk.shtml
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/bukm1/bukm1.shtml
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/bukm1_2/bukm1_2.shtml
187. unit 280, 284 - SA-8a Gecko – correct name Osa, in arms 1972, EW=5, vision=0, ROF=4, in 1976 modernized – name Osa-AK, new weapon from our OOB, EW=6, vision=0,weapon shells=6, ROF=6, FC=105, in 1978 modernized new variant Osa-AKM, FC=110, vision=0
http://pvo.guns.ru/osa/osa.htm
http://pvo.guns.ru/osa/osa10.htm
http://pvo.guns.ru/osa/osa06.htm
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/osa/osa.shtml
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/osa_ak/osa_ak.shtml
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/osa_akm/osa_akm.shtml

188. unit 281 - SA-9 Gaskin – correct name Strela-1, speed 32 and 2 water, quantity missiles 4
http://pvo.guns.ru/strela1/strela1_05.htm#3
189. unit 285 - SA-9b Gaskin – correct name Strela-1M, in arms 1970, quantity missiles 4, speed 32 and 2 water, vision=20, EW=2
http://pvo.guns.ru/strela1/strela1_05.htm#3
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/strela1/strela1.shtml
190. unit 282 - SA-13 Gopher – correct name Strela-10SV, in arms 1976, speed 20 and 2 water, ROF=4, radio=90, we offer FC=3, survivability=4 on basis of chasis MT-LB
http://pvo.guns.ru/strela10/strela10_04.htm
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/strela10sv/strela10sv.shtml
http://pvo.guns.ru/strela10/strela10.htm
191. unit 286 - SA-13b Gopher – correct name Strela-10M, in arms 1979, speed 20 and 2 water, radio=90, fc=3, survivability=4, ROF=4
http://pvo.guns.ru/strela10/strela10_04.htm
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/strela10sv/strela10sv.shtml
http://pvo.guns.ru/strela10/strela10.htm
192. unit 287 - SA-13c Gopher – correct name Strela-10M3, in arms 1989, vision=30, EW=4, speed 20 and 2 water, FC=3, survivability=4, ROF=4
http://pvo.guns.ru/strela10/strela10_04.htm
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/strela10sv/strela10sv.shtml
http://pvo.guns.ru/strela10/strela10.htm
193. SP SAM – Gyurza – not found date take in arms this unit, approximately beginning 2001, EW=4, radio=91 or 92, ROF=4, FC=15

http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/rocket/rocketcomplex/data/ic_nomenrussiarocketrocketcomplex/17/
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/gurza/gurza.shtml
http://pvo.guns.ru/strela10/strela10_03.htm#2
194. unit 288 - SA-15 Gauntlet – correct name Tor, speed 22, vision=0, survivability=4 ?????, in 1991 modernized variant – name Tor-M1, new weapon, FC=115, ew=9
http://www.kupol.ru/ru/AntiaircraftMissileSystems/Tor-M1
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/rocket/rocketcomplex/data/ic_nomenrussiarocketrocketcomplex/17/
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/tor/tor.shtml
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/torm/torm.shtml
192. Area SAM - Tor-M1TB – towed, speed 0
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/rocket/rocketcomplex/data/ic_nomenrussiarocketrocketcomplex/17/
193. unit 293 – S-300PT - towed, change weight for towed, wrong photo

[KraMax]

194. unit 922 - ZSU-23-4M2 – FC=10 (my mistake), change weapon, smoke dischargers= ????. We offer clean units 820, 821 – not found data for this unit.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/arty/sarty/data/ic_nomenrussiaartysarty/14/
http://pvo.guns.ru/shilka/shilka.htm
195. unit 401 - ZSU-57-2 – quantity shells=300
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/arty/sarty/data/ic_nomenrussiaartysarty/14/
http://pzaku.net/homepage/16/
http://pvo.guns.ru/book/uvz/index.htm
196. unit 419, 420 - 57mm AA-Gun – name S-60 AA-Gun, in arms 1950, towed, weight 4 tons, crew 8, size=2. Iam not found data for modernized variant 1966, can be EW modernized or not.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/arty/barty/zenitnaya/data/ic_nomenrussiaartybartyzenitnaya/5/
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/s-60.htm
http://pvo.guns.ru/s60/index.htm
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/57-%D0%BC%D0%BC_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B2% D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1 %8F_%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1 %80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D1%86%D0%B0_1941_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B 4%D0%B0_%28%D0%97%D0%98%D0%A1-2%29
http://pzaku.net/homepage/25/
197. unit 870 - MT-LB w/ZU-23 – weight 12 tons, iam offer 1980 and change unit class SP Flak=22, weapon2=7.62mm PKT TMG, on basis of chasis MT-LB, speed 20 and 2 water
198. unit 873 - Truck w/ZU-23 – carry=132 ?????, iam offer change unit class SP Flak=22
199. unit 405 - 2S6 Tunguska – in arms and batch production 1982, stabilizer 4 (new stibilizer), 8 missiles, weapon 2=clean, EW=8
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/tunguska/tunguska.shtml
http://pvo.guns.ru/panzir/data.htm
200. unit 406 - 2S6M Tunguska – name 2S6 Tunguska M, vision=30, EW=8, stabilizer=4, weapon2=clean
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/tunguska/tunguska.shtml
http://pvo.guns.ru/panzir/data.htm
201. unit 823 - 2S6M1 Tunguska – name 2S6 Tunguska M1, in arms 2003-2004, EW=9, stabilizer=4 ?????, FC=120, RF=22
http://pvo.guns.ru/panzir/data.htm
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/tunguska/tunguska.shtml
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/arty/sarty/data/ic_nomenrussiaartysarty/18/
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%D0%9A22_%C2%AB%D0%A2%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%B3%D1%83%D1% 81%D0%BA%D0%B0%C2%BB
http://www.vko.ru/DesktopModules/Articles/ArticlesView.aspx?tabID=320&ItemID=205&mid=2891&wv ersion=Staging
http://www.kbptula.ru/rus/zencom/tungr.htm
202. unit 414 - Pantzyr-1 – name S1 Pantsyr or Pantsyr-S1, weight 20 tons, crew 3, stabilizer not bad Tunguska=4 or 5, FC=125, vision=40, speed 28, change missiles weapon from our OOB, divide misiles on slots weapons 2,3 and 4, EW=9, “Under the statement of the assistant to the commander-in-chief of the Air Forces colonel general Anatoly Nogovitsyna, first samples SPSAM «Pantsyr-S1» will arrive in the Russian Air Forces in 2008.”
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/arty/sarty/data/ic_nomenrussiaartysarty/18/
http://www.missiles.ru/Pansir.htm
http://www.russarms.com/land/vpvo/tech-pzrk-c-1-pan.asp
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%80%D1%8C-%D0%A11
http://pvo.guns.ru/panzir/data.htm

[DRG]

194. We offer clean units 820, 821 – not found data for this unit.

195. unit 401 - ZSU-57-2 – quantity shells=300


I have no intention of entering into a dialogue with you over each and every one of these points but these two caught my eye.

194... Have we not gone over this before ? Those two units are DESIGNED to provide ground support fire NOT act as SPAA's and that is why they are set up in the unit class they are with the weapon they have. Also, I have NO IDEA if the phrase "We offer clean units " is coming from your own translation of Russian to English or this is what the automatic translator spits out but after reading it two dozen times I have to think it's the later. The correct phrase would be "remove unit" not "clean unit" and in any case I have no intention of doing so. Those units weapon should probably be WC5 rather than WC19 but I think it was put in 19 to allow it some AA capability as WC19 will opfire on helos to be fair but it's primary purpose is to engage ground targets. Every time you "find" this you complain about it and it's getting tiresome.

195. quantity shells=300 Great. AA guns fire "bursts" so the number of shells issued to a unit like that is the number of bursts of fire it's capable of

Don

[KraMax]

194. OK. But at a unit 820 fire control should be 10 (without a radar), and at a unit 821 fire control should be 15 (without a radar). In game also the gun of class Autocannon cannot shoot on planes. ZSU-23 without a radar turns actually in ZSU-57-2 also without a radar. At ZSU-23 increases ammo at the expense of an empty seat from a radar, but other aim devices do not removed. These two units should be SP Flak with radio=93. They will operate effectively on the land purposes and to shoot on air targets. unit 821 - TI available - not found data.
195. OK

[KraMax]

DRG said:
...
I have no intention of entering into a dialogue with you over each and every one of these points but these two caught my eye.
...
Don



Dear Don and Andy.

We with the great pleasure would would like to enter with you meaningful dialogue on any unit or the weapon in this theme of a forum. We want that you have correctly understood us - we wish to help you with improvement of this excellent game.
On the weapon, units and formations at us it is a lot of data and all these data we plan will share with you. To us it is not difficult. We all it do voluntary and certainly free of charge - because we love this game and we want that it became even better. If you have paid attention, we not only improve our armies, but also we underestimate their characteristics if characteristics of units or the weapon were more low in a reality.
We hope for meaningful dialogue with you.

Yours faithfully.

p.s. sorry for my bad English. I sometimes write the text itself, and sometimes by means of the machine translator.

[KraMax]

203. unit 416 and 417 - ZPU-2 AAMG and ZPU-4 AAMG – in arms 1949
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/strel/ogneoru/data/ic_nomenrussiastrelogneoru/38/
204. unit 410 - SA-7 SAM – name Strela-2 SAM, in arms 1968, in 1970 modernized – name Strela-2M SAM, EW=2
http://pvo.guns.ru/pzrk/strela_05.htm#2
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/rocket/rocketcomplex/data/ic_nomenrussiarocketrocketcomplex/14/
205. unit 411 - Strela 3 Team – name Strela-3 SAM
206. units 770 and 771 - SA-18S SAM – name Igla-S SAM, in arms 2002, we offer EW=4 for this type weapons.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/rocket/rocketcomplex/data/ic_nomenrussiarocketrocketcomplex/14/
207. units 409, 410, 411, 412, 413, 770 and 771 - Why such small radio?
208. unit 409 – SA-16 SAM – name Igla-1 SAM
209. unit 412 - SA-18 SAM – name Igla SAM
210. unit 413 - SA-18V SAM – name Igla-N SAM
211. SAM Dzhigit - It is intended for placing, prompting on the purpose and single or a volley of start-up of two rockets of type "Igla" to one crew, can work at any time, use external preliminary instructions of the purpose, identify the purposes as "-another's".

The oporno-launcher "Dzhigit" has no analogues on ability to conduct a volley start-up of anti-aircraft missiles SAM. At a volley start-up increase of probability of defeat of the purpose on the average in 1,5 times is provided. Calculation 1 person.
Date not found.
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/igla_c/igla_c.shtml
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/rocket/rocketcomplex/data/ic_nomenrussiarocketrocketcomplex/14/
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B0_%28%D0%9F%D0%97%D0%A0%D0% 9A%29
http://www.rusarmy.com/pvo/pvo_vsk/pzrk_dp_dzhigit.html
http://gunsrus.narod.ru/djigit.htm
212. unit 328 - RPG-6 Team – we offer remove this unit. Anti-tank pomegranates are not an occasion to allocate from structure squad fighting team - 2 soldiers. In army of the USSR or Russia in separate RPG teams were allocated only heavy and reusable RPG is - RPG-2, RPG-7, RPG-16D, RPG-7V, RPG-29. Such command usually had 5 shells RPG.
Lungs RPG - RPG-18, RPG-22, RPG-26, RPG-27, RPG-28 - are disposable and individual means of struggle of soldiers against tanks. For one squad it was allocated, depending on a task in view, from 50 % to 100 % of lungs RPG for each soldier i.e. squad from 10 persons - could receive or 5 RPG-22 or 10 RPG-22 - all depended on a solved problem it squad.

213. units 766 and 767 – RPG-18 and RPG-22 – we offer remove this units.

214. RPG-2, RPG-7, RPG-7V teams – 5 shells. Why such small radio?

[Marek_Tucan]

212. RPG-6 team represents (if I got it correctly) a tank hunter group as those used frequently in WW2. OOB in SP doesn't include only proper OOB units but also attempts, if feasible, to present some "wartime only" creations.

213. As above.

214. Radio? In theory RPG teams and indeed most of infantry nits should have radio value 0, who in his right mind would bother with carrying RPG/RPG shells AND a radio? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[KraMax]

Marek_Tucan said:
212. RPG-6 team represents (if I got it correctly) a tank hunter group as those used frequently in WW2. OOB in SP doesn't include only proper OOB units but also attempts, if feasible, to present some "wartime only" creations.




We did the OOB being based on data about organizational-regular structures of our armies. On it we cannot allocate from structure squad group of several persons with anti-tank grenades for hunting for tanks. This group will operate as a part of uniform squad i.e. we should not allocate it from squad. In ours OOB we have shown the most exact structures squad's our armies. After the Second World War very many in army of the USSR has changed is both ranks, and structure of divisions, etc.



214. Radio? In theory RPG teams and indeed most of infantry nits should have radio value 0, who in his right mind would bother with carrying RPG/RPG shells AND a radio?




Ok. From the beginning of 90th years at many countries the parametre radio grows to 80 or 90.

[Marek_Tucan]

KraMax said:
We did the OOB being based on data about organizational-regular structures of our armies. On it we cannot allocate from structure squad group of several persons with anti-tank pomegranates for hunting for tanks. This group will operate as a part of uniform squad i.e. we should not allocate it from squad. In ours OOB we have shown the most exact structures squad's our armies. After the Second World War very many in army of the USSR has changed is both ranks, and structure of divisions, etc.




But that's it, while RPG-6 armed tank hunters aren't in official OOB, they do present a wartime ad-hoc tank fighting unit. RPG-7's also werent supposed to be fired over and behind the enemy fortification to shower the enemy with splinters but were used rather frequently in this manner in Afghanistan. And given footages from Chechnya etc., I really cannot recall whether I have seen regular army squad adhering to the standards atleast once.

[KraMax]

I agree with you that regular army the subdivision usually does not adhere to organizational structure and operates on current conditions. But to allocate from squad team for struggle against tanks it is impossible since such grenades basically were almost at all soldiers in squad. Therefore I also speak about organizational structure of troops in game. There we can allocate team RPG Only then when it allows both arms squad and number squad.
I will very soon lay out on a forum link on the archives prepared by us from different sites on organizational regular structure of our troops.

p.s. sorry for my bad English

[narwan]

Yes perhaps, but when it come to sneaking up on an enemy tank do you really think the whole squad (at size 1, ie not very stealthy) would do so or just two guys with a couple of AT rounds at size 0 (much harder to spot) while the rest stays back? Sometimes just a few men go out there and the game has to reflect that too, hence these teams.

While the game does build around the real orders of battles, those OB's are not the endpoint for the game. They're the start; often minor tweaks are necessary to make the game playable. You should not forget that there are two 'realities' that exist next to each other in the game, getting the OB's as real as possible and getting the gameplay as real as possible. Sometimes these two are in conflict and then minor tweaks can and will be implemented into the OB's. The russian/soviet OB is by no means the only one.

[KraMax]

narwan
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Ok. We will assume that we allocate team from squad. Then we in squad still have 6 persons?
It is wrong - we should take organizational regular structure of armies for a basis, differently in game it is possible to make a lot of nonexistent formations and units. I do not speak that 2 persons with grenades could not exist, but allocating team from squad we can allocate also easier two fighters with rifles AK-47 or other weapon, that too will be wrong.
Probably you also are right about RPG-6, but there are sets of the weapon in game with which also it is possible to allocate in separate team, but for this purpose to us precisely will not suffice slots in OOB.

[DRG]

Narwan, the third "reality" you forgot to mention is that tearing an OOB apart in the way Maxim thinks we should totally destroys any scenario that was built with that OOB. In V4 I tried to balance what I felt should be done with the Russian OOB with what realistically could be done without causing massive disruption to not only the existing scenarios in the game but any that players may have made and posted to the various scenario depots on the 'net.

I recall at some point in the past an offer was made to have these "fixed" by well meaning third parties but I can assure you most of the "errors" people are finding in the game were made by "well meaning third parties "

We provide the tools for people to create their own OOBs and Shrapnel provides the means to distribute it and we have always considered that a perfect compromise. If players don't like ours...... they can use someone else's. However, Maxim has turn this into an obsessive crusade and nothing short of doing everything his way appears to be acceptable as the example of the ZSU-23 used as CS tanks for convoy support attest.

I will take this list and any other error anyone thinks they have found into consideration when and if I find the time to sit down and devote another 1000+ man hours to a patch as I did the last one but I reserve the right to make my own decisions about which "errors" need to be corrected.

Don

[KraMax]

Dear Don.

We appreciate your work and your patience. We also appreciate this tool - Mobhack with which help we can create the OOB. We also understand that it is your game and you are certainly free to make independent decisions.
I wish to clear once again a situation - there is no "crusade" on you or your game. We wish to help. For this purpose I publish here these data. And we are ready to conduct any discussion with dear lodgers of this forum to reach trues.

Yours faithfully.

p.s. sorry for my bad English

[DRG]

One thing I would like to point out is in many cases you use a "TMG" when a "CMG" would be more appropriate. In most cases there is no difference in a TMG or CMG version of a MG and the only difference is the name but TMG's are in most cases slot one weapons. CMG's are used in slot 2 and 3 and BMG's are used in slot 4. It's a bit odd to be using something named TMG in slot 3 though it would do the same job as a CMG

Don

[iCaMpWiThAWP]

One thing I would like to point out is in many cases you use a "TMG" when a "CMG" would be more appropriate. In most cases there is no difference in a TMG or CMG version of a MG and the only difference is the name but TMG's are in most cases slot one weapons. CMG's are used in slot 2 and 3 and BMG's are used in slot 4. It's a bit odd to be using something named TMG in slot 3 though it would do the same job as a CMG

Don
so that means that tanks equipped with CMG in slot #1 are the same thing than the ones equupped with TMG in slot #1?

[KraMax]

And TMG it is a tank (or BTR main gun etc) machine gun (not AAMG).
For example, in a case with T-10 and SU-100 - machine gun use 14.5mm CMG - is unjustified. Is not present units which would use this machine gun more.
We understand that you wish to specify in the machine gun name in what slot it to use, but what for to create clone other weapon, if at us and so almost is not present free slots For the weapon.

p.s. soory for my bad English

[DRG]

This has nothing to do with the 14.5mm CMG. It's mainly the mix up's between weapons 63 and 64

Don

[DRG]

One thing I would like to point out is in many cases you use a "TMG" when a "CMG" would be more appropriate. In most cases there is no difference in a TMG or CMG version of a MG and the only difference is the name but TMG's are in most cases slot one weapons. CMG's are used in slot 2 and 3 and BMG's are used in slot 4. It's a bit odd to be using something named TMG in slot 3 though it would do the same job as a CMG

Don
so that means that tanks equipped with CMG in slot #1 are the same thing than the ones equupped with TMG in slot #1?

Usually the only difference between a TMG and a CMG of a specific weapon is the TMG or the CMG tacked on at the end of the name. BMG's are a different case and although both weapons will have the same effect in the game "traditionally" TMG's are slot one weapons as I explained. This was all done long ago when everyone thought there were more weapon, unit and formations slots than anyone would ever need and it made it clear what the weapon should be used for and it's not an issue at all in any OOB with one exception and that's the Russian OOB which is low on available weapon slots and there is NO way to add more without screwing up every scenario made for the game

That said there has been some re-organization and there are more free weapons slots now but I noticed that the SPR OOB was using TGM where CMG was more appropriate and both weapons where available and I though that perhaps there was some confusion as to there usage


Don

[KraMax]

We have assumed that CMG - is a machine gun on pintle (or pivot or coupling bolt).

[DRG]

~


A 7.62mm PKT CMG is used because a 7.62mm PKT Co-axial MachineGun is what was mounted on the vehicle. There is usually no difference in a TMG and CMG version of a weapon but TMG ( Turret Machine Gun ) NORMALLY is only used when it's the primary ( slot one ) armament of a vehicle and the CMG ( co-axial ) version of the gun is used when a co-axial machine gun is mounted on the vehicle and normally is used in slots 2 or 3. BMG's ( Bow Machineguns ) are normally used in slot 4 and have restricted range due to their low(er) mounting in the hull of the vehicle and BMG's in slot 4 only fire the direction the hull front faces whereas TMG's and CMG's in slots 1, 2 and 3 fire in the direction the main armament is pointing

That naming convention goes back to the beginnings of Steel Panthers and both TMG's and CMG's could be simply named "MG" but that can get confusing when building units as these are not meant used by the infantry as infantry machineguns are named "MG".

The bottom line is all those units you have mounting the PKT TMG in slots 2 and 3 are technically in error. It's not a serious problem and game play is not affected but in the offical game OOB all those will be CMG

Don

[DRG]

116. units 216, 217 � ACRV-2 - I have not found data about this unit. Iam offer clean.

I discovered after another point raised by Marcello on the Iraqi OOB that this would be a MT-LBu 1V13 ( or 1V14 / 1V15 / 1V16 ) "ACRV" is NATO acronym for artillery command and reconnaissance vehicle NATO designator: ACRV M1974/1. The worked with the self-propelled howitzers

It's also in a number of OOB's as MT-LBu

If looks like we really only need 1 version of this but I'll keep digging

Don

[KraMax]

Hello Don.

Link to source factory the manufacturer:

http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/06/01/

1V13, 1V14, 1V15, 1V16 = SNAR-10 or SNAR-10M

name ACRV - we offer remove from OOB

Best regards

[DRG]

OK, just so I'm clear ( and this isn't very clear at all )

"ACRV" = "MT-LBu " = "SNAR-10"

Three names for the same vehicle ? That link you posted says nothing at all about "SNAR" and anything I can find does not show that the MT-LBu / ACRV and the SNAR are the same thing at all. The MT-LBu / ACRV is a SP arty FO vehicle and the SNAR is a battlefield surveillance radar system. The NATO code names for the two vehicles are entirely different and the sources I've dug up support the idea that these vehicles have two different purposes. I've already changed the name from ACRV to MT-LBu

Don

[KraMax]

MT-LBu = the chassis name
To name so all these units will be wrong.
For FO units I suggest to use original names of the Russian army.

p.s. though names 1V13 etc... also I will be correct.

[DRG]

MT-LBu = the chassis name
To name so all these units will be wrong.
For FO units I suggest to use original names of the Russian army.

p.s. though names 1V13 etc... also I will be correct.

All we are doing is going around in circles here. "use original names of the Russian army" and what would that be you think ? SNAR ?? I don't think so . The two vehicles have different uses and equipment from the one now named ACRV

Don

[KraMax]

You have the right to name the weapon and units - as it will want to you. Same your game.
Nevertheless in the name of the weapon of a grenade or a pistol, you do not write the exact name of this weapon (for example Glock-17 or grenade F-1)

[gila]

I really have no idea what either of you are talking about:doh:
But interesting nonetheless,:popcorn:

[DRG]

Please explain how a little story about Glock-17 or grenade F-1 answers my question ??

The "SNAR" and the vehicle formerly named "ACRV" are not the same vehicle nor do they have the same use on the battlefield and the NATO codenames for both are entierly different

From the Net.


The first quotes is from Janes and the second from globalsecurity. The SNAR 10 is not the same vehicle as the "ACRV" . The closest I can see is the "ACRV" would be properly known as the 1V12


Title
SNAR-10 surveillance radar (Russian Federation)

Type
K-band (20 to 40 GHz) battlefield surveillance radar. NATO reporting name
Big Fred.

Description
SNAR-10 is a widely deployed battlefield surveillance radar system, mounted
on a self-propelled, armoured vehicle. It is designed to locate stationary
and moving targets at the forward edge of the battle area.The radar operates
at a frequency of about 35 GHz and is capable of scanning the terrain in
both a horizontal and vertical mode. This is done by tipping the antenna,
thereby overseeing a large area. The dipping antenna is designated as the
IRL-127-1.The radar is a 2-D pulse-Doppler equipment, with the complete
system, except the power supply, being installed inside the turret of the
vehicle. At the rear of the turret is the rectangular reflector of the
antenna system which is almost as wide as the vehicle. On the move the
reflector is folded forward on top of the turret and can be covered by a
hood. For surveillance work the reflector is erected electromechanically.
The narrow radar beam (0.36º wide and 1.3º high) is continuously revolving
in a sector of ±13.2º. It can also transmit without scanning a particular
sector. In this case the beam sits in the middle of the reflector.The radar
works as either a pulse radar or a Doppler radar, the operator making the
selection. In the pulse mode it is impossible to distinguish between
stationary and moving targets. To detect moving objects, especially beyond
the forward line of troops, the Doppler mode is required. If the entire
battlefield is to be searched for targets the sector-search mode is used.
The revolving radar beam








1V12 ACRV. 1V12 is the overall designation of four armored command
reconnaissance vehicles: 1V13 (Figure 2-1), 1V14, 1V15, and 1V16. All four
use the MT-LB chassis.

a. Variants.

(1) ACRV 1V13. The 1V13 has a 12.7-mm DShK anti-aircraft machine gun mounted
atop the turret and a rectangular box projecting from the hull just below
the turret. The ACRV 1V13 remains in the battery firing position as the
battery fire direction center (FDC) relaying firing data to the SP
howitzers.

(2) ACRV 1V14/1V15. The turrets on these two versions are fitted with a
laser rangefinder, optical observation devices and associated fire-control
equipment. They also have a rectangular box projecting from the hull just
below the turret. The ACRV 1V14 and 1V15 serve as battery and battalion
commanders' COPs, respectively, and do not remain in the firing position.

(3) ACRV 1V16. The 1V16 may be fitted with a 12.7-mm machine gun while
eliminating the rectangular box that projects from the hull just below the
turret on the other three versions. The ACRV 1V16 functions as the battalion
FDC.

[KraMax]

My error.
Absolutely with you it agree are different systems.
The chassis at these systems identical - MT-LB.

From the point of view of directly artillery investigation (FO) - more all approaches to it is SNAR-10 (Stantsiya Nazemnoy Artilleriyskoy Razvedki - in English = station of land artillery investigation) and series systems PRP (Peredvizhnoy Razvedyvatelniy Punkt - in English - mobile prospecting point). Systems 1V13... 15 are systems of command and a fire control. They and are called - control systems. But they too can calculate a site of another's artillery, etc.
I will agree that it is enough complicated question with these systems and I could not find till now exact data how actually these systems were used.
But I think till now, that if you wish to leave these systems in game it is necessary to change at them name ACRV - on 1V13 or 1V14 etc.

[DRG]

non-related subject

In your notes you have this :


11. weapon 030 - 122mm M30 L22 - in game it is used SU-122. Su-122 with such weapon were issued in the USSR from December, 1942 till August, 1943 - all 638 pieces have been let out. Quantity SU-122 with such weapon has remained and till the end of war, but already were issued as well others SU-122 with other weapon. I am assured this weapon it is necessary to clean.


The SU-122 with the original gun may very well have disappeared from the Russian inventory right after the end of WW2. There were, after all, much better vehicles that did the same job better. The ISU-122 is one example.

However, I noted in the SPR OOB you have a version of the su-122 mounting a the D-25 gun in slot 258. There was a variant that was tested during the war using the D-25 but it never made it into production



http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=57&Itemid=50&lang=en

SU-122P

SU-122P. (M.Svirin)
In autumn 1944, due to delaying the mass production of the SU-100, the Uralmash's Design Bureau offered a project of a tank destroyer based on the SU-100. Like the SU-85M, this vehicle was the common SU-100 but armed with a 122 mm Tank Gun D-25S. Such modernisation was possible due to unified fastening of both guns.

The very first trials of the SU-122P conducted in October 1944, after that the vehicle was sent to the Governmental trials which were passed as well. By the results of both trials, the SU-122P was recommended for service, but it didn't mostly because of slow rate of fire.



The SU-122-54 ( or IT-122 ) came later and I have added it and a new Icon for it to the game. From what I can see the old SU-122 with the L22 gun disappeared from service by 1946 and I have removed it from the OOB and used that weapon slot for the SU-122-54

Also......

I've spent a considerable amount of time working on the Russian OOB and all the other OOB's that making a change to the Russian OOB affects. I noted the SPR OOB had a number of formations nationalized to zero that were not attached to a larger formation. Nationalizing to zero is fine but unless you give them a home they will never show up in the game. You may have already corrected this but a couple of examples are F518, F521, F524, F521 I'm sure there are others I just don't have time ATM to list them all. None of those will show up in the game. It may be they were built and the decision was made to not included them but it may also be they were intended to be used in Company type formations and forgotten about OR they were intended to be correctly nationalized but set to zero in error

Don

[KraMax]

I will attentively study the information on SU-122. While I am not ready to speak on this theme since studied this question very much for a long time (it is necessary to study all my archives).


On formations.

Basically we specified 0 for parametre of the country for formations which should be accessible as a part of other formations and should not be accessible in the basic screen of purchase of armies. Also there there are some formations with parametre 0 for the country which do not enter more not into what other formations, but we have cleaned them from the basic screen of purchase of armies that this screen did not take a lot of place (you can return them in the screen of purchase or I can give the corrected variant of formations).

I have archives of several sites on organizational-regular structure of some our kinds of armies. But all of them in Russian yet the worthy translation into English also is not ready. If to you I can interestingly send them to you in Russian.

[DRG]

Maxim

I was just pointing out you had formations in the SPR OOB that were set up as nation zero that were not being used by a larger formation and I understand the concept of hiding small formations from the purchase screen that are only used by larger formations. We've been doing that for years. There are a number of reasons this could happen and I understand all of them. It's possible they were set to zero in error or it is possible the larger formation that was supposed to use them was forgotten about or eliminated and these were forgotten about. The point is there are a number of them in the SPR OOB and they can be found easily enough with MOBHacks data base checker "platoon finder" All the ones nationalized to zero are flagged and clicking on them will tell you if they are being used by a larger formation. If they are not being used they won't show up in the game

Don

[DRG]

Maxim

I need documentation on the use of SU-122's as SP-arty. The SPR OOB uses them that way from 1946- 1969. I'm quite happy to add them to the official OOB in that capacity with some further information

Don

[Marcello]

Maxim

I need documentation on the use of SU-122's as SP-arty. The SPR OOB uses them that way from 1946- 1969. I'm quite happy to add them to the official OOB in that capacity with some further information
Don

Do you mean SU-122s specifically or even JSU-122s?

The latter at least were used for such missions.
http://www.battlefield.ru/content/view/40/45/lang,en/

Time to time, JSU's used for artillery missions because they were able for both direct and indirect fire. In particular, during the Sandomir-Silesia offensive operation, the 368th Guards OTSAP of the 1st Ukrainian Front was assigned for artillery mission and for 107 minutes the regiment fired 980 shells.

As a result, two German mortar batteries were destroyed as well as other 8 German guns, about one German infantry battalion was wiped out. Interesting to note, that additional rounds were placed at the vehicles, but anyway, JSU's used their "internal" ammunition first. Otherwise, rate of fire become slower because it takes up to 40 minutes to load 20 rounds into the vehicle.

[DRG]

Lot's of tanks have been used for indirect fire missions. The Sherman was often used in that role but I'm not interested in ad hoc useage of a vehicle.

However..... if the SU-122 ( the old one with the short M-30 gun ) was included in the TO&E of the SP arty units well after the war ended I will be :)happy:) to include it as "SP-Arty" but not if it was only used in that role when nothing else was available otherwise every OOB would be filled with tanks and SP guns as "SP-Arty" becasue someone could say they were pressed into service like that on occasion.

Bottome line- was it's primary role post war as SP-Arty used in an indirect fire role and not "assault gun" ??

Don

[KraMax]

Dear Don.

SU-122 - It is necessary to clean from game since after WW2 they any more were not on arms. After WW2 on arms were in the mid-fifties made SU-122-54 by small party 77-95 units.

link:
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=38643&highlight=russian

Here we already discussed on this theme.

==============

As to use SU-122 as SP Howitzer is a truth. They were used as artillery and as assault gun.

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%A3-122

Here a translation into English of the first paragraph:

"SU-122 is average on weight the Soviet samohodno-artillery installation (SPG), belonging to the class of assault guns (with some restrictions it could be used and as a self-propelled howitzer). For the first time have been applied on February, 14th, 1943 in region Smerdyni as a part of 1433 and 1434 SAP in private operation 54A on the Volkhov front."

Best regards

[Marcello]

It seems that as policy the soviets made their tanks and assault guns capable of at least some indirect fire if possible.
For example T-55s can fire indirect fire missions too; the iraqis were particulalry fond of this tactic.

EDIT
I missed the replies.
I would doubt that SU-122s, JSU-122s etc. were ever set up as dedicated indirect fire assets in the way you mean. They were far from being optimized for such job.

[DRG]

Yes Maxim, I know about the SU-122-54 and yes I know anything with a gun could be used as SP arty but I wanted to know if these were used SPECIFICALLY that way after the war. Apparently not. They have been removed

You might want to make a note to remove them from the SPR OOB as well
Don

[Marek_Tucan]

The closest equivalent to their role as "SP-Arty" would be IMO Z-firing them. After all I doubth that even if used as makeshift arty, they were on arty network, able to shift quickly fire etc. - rather they were fixed in the indirect fire to one specific spot.

[DRG]

New Question

The SPR OOB shows an arty FO in 1977 with 50 TI/GSR rating. That seems just a bit early for a man portable unit.

???

Don

[Marek_Tucan]

AFAIK the PSNR-5 radar (as used on BRM-1 and others) was designed as "dismountable", but not sure about portability - here is the radar in dismounted config, but for use with vehicles it was only the active unit and screens etc. remained in the vehicle - guess the whole complet was really rather heavy for "backpacking" - would need a movement penalty and a dedicated vehicle.

http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/37930

[KraMax]

http://milparade.udm.ru/27/060.htm
http://talks.guns.ru/forum_light_message/42/135080.html
http://www.vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/arhprint/61099


Photo and the small information

The first portable updatings have appeared in 1966 (PSNR-1). For an example American PPS-5 - 46 kg (1967) for service weigh 3 persons are required, PPS-15 weighs only 8 kg (1973). Unfortunately I have not found exact weight PSNR-5 etc. In everyone scout company is at least 1 PSNR-5 or its analogues and a minimum 3 SBR-3 "FARA" or its analogues. GSR SBR-3 "FARA" - weighs about 16 kg - for service 1 person is necessary.

PSNR - Perenosnaya Stantsiya Nazemnoy Razvedki - in English - Portable Station Ground Investigation or portable ground surveillance radar.

SBR - Stantsiya Blizhney Razvedki - in English - Station Near Investigation or short-range surveillance radar

SBR-1 FARA - can couple with weapons (for example 12.7mm NSV or AGS-17)

Sorry for my bad English.