Stasis - MA game. Finished.

[ano]

I think that the time for a new game has come)

The settings are the following:
- Map is Alexander (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=d3smm&Number=573514&page=0 &view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1) by PashaDawg with predefined starting locations. See attachment.
- Era: Middle
- Graphs on, sites 50%, renaming on, HoF 15, indies 6
- Host is Llamaserver. Please read the FAQ (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showthreaded.php?Number=531116) if you don't know how to use it
- Hosting schedule: 24 hours per turn for first 17 turns, 48 hours starting from turn 18.
- Mods: Twan's Mist of Deception replacement mod (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=d3smm&Number=596055&page=0 &view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1), Worthy Heroes 1.8 (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=560854&page=0&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1)
- Players: 14-17.

Currently playing:

Shinuyama - ano
Eriu - secretperson (AI)
Jotunheim - Ossa (defeated)
Machaka - Natpy
Ashgod - chrispedersen (replaced by Dimaz)
Abysia - Dragar (defeated)
Bandar Log - JimMorrison (defeated)
Mictlan - danbo
R'lyeh - AdmiralZhao
Ermor - BigDisAwesome (AI)
Oceania - seej (AI)
Agartha - Revolution (AI)
Vanheim - don_Pablo (defeated)
T'ien Ch'i - veto (defeated)
Ulm - karnoza
C'tis - Executor (replaced by JimMorrison)
Pythium - johnarryn (replaced by konming)

Game page at llamaserver (http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Stasis)

Here's the list of exploits I would not like to see in this game:
- "Cast long-lasting battlefield enchantment and retreat". Please, don't script your mage who casts a battlefield enchantment to leave earlier that round 6 or 5 (for returning)
- "Overfilling enemy lab". Don't send magic items to your enemy to make him lose his own items.
- Priests with Crystal Matrix casting several times in one turn.
- any other severe bugs found in the process of the game
- Your suggestions?

[secretperson]

Ooh, sign me up for Eriu please

[Ironhawk]

Yikes - why do people like playing with graphs off? It just means more MicroManagement for every player.

And not only that, but it always benefits the strongest player most.

[Ossa]

Sign me up for Jotunheim please.

[Natpy]

Machaka please.

[chrispedersen]

ashdod please

[ano]

Ironhawk said:
Yikes - why do people like playing with graphs off? It just means more MicroManagement for every player.

And not only that, but it always benefits the strongest player most.


It's just a bit different experience

[Dragar]

Abysia please

[JimMorrison]

I really tried to resist signing up for this. Really tried to resist.....

But I must try Bandar Log, Haruman demands it! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[danbo]

I'll take Mictlan.

[AdmiralZhao]

O Ryleh?

[AdmiralZhao]

And I would have to agree about the graphs. When I started out I did not like them, but after a few MP games I've seen that they are really necessary to prevent runaway victories. Not that having graphs off will stop me from playing... =)

[BigDisAwesome]

I'd like in as Ermor. I was like 15 or so turns into one of Ich's games as them when Gandalf's server went down. I'm intrigued and would like a chance to go a little farther.

[seej]

I would like Pythium please. I prefer graphs on but will play either way.

[Revolution]

Agartha

[don_Pablo]

Vanheim please

[veto]

Sorry///
)
I'l try Tien-Chi better)))

[karnoza]

Ulm

[ano]

I'm really impressed with the speed this game filled up. It seems like the time for it has come indeed)
Three more issues:
1) I don't mind having graphs on. If people like it, no problem
2) We have 2 slots open and definitely need some water nation because there're many seas on the map. Maybe another map? Any suggestions?
3) There's a map issue that should be fixed - provinces with less than 3 neighbours should be marked with "nostart". Pasha promised to do that but I'm not sure if he has time now. We may do this by ourselves though.

[DaveCG]

Well, if you'll have a utter noob (currently scarred of the one black candle he can see in kingmaker) I'd love to sign on as any water nation, as I said utter noob and I wouldn't be offended at all if you said no.

[llamabeast]

There's a map issue that should be fixed - provinces with less than 3 neighbours should be marked with "nostart". Pasha promised to do that but I'm not sure if he has time now. We may do this by ourselves though.



Sounds like a job for a perl script!

If you have time though, it would probably be preferable to hand-place the start positions. That is a bit time-consuming though.

[ano]

Well, maybe I'll do so when I have time. It's really better with the exception of easing heavy early rushes.
I don't know perl) Btw, if someone who knows it wrote a script for .map file processing, it would be great. Any language will be fine but I'm too busy and lazy to do it)

[ano]

DaveCG said:
Well, if you'll have a utter noob (currently scarred of the one black candle he can see in kingmaker) I'd love to sign on as any water nation, as I said utter noob and I wouldn't be offended at all if you said no.


If you really want to play, take a land nation better, however I think that it'd better for you to join some newbie game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[llamabeast]

I can write such a script. Should be a two minute job.

Where can I find this map?

[DaveCG]

@ano

Fair enough, and like I said not offended at all...*whimper*

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Anyway, good luck with the game all the same.

[ano]

llamabeast said:
I can write such a script. Should be a two minute job.

Where can I find this map?


http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/download.php?Number=573555
Thanks)
There're two .map files there. I think we'll use the one that has "no_sites" in the name

[seej]

If you want me to change, I would happily play Oceania instead of Pythium.

[ano]

No problem)

[Executor]

I'm in if there is a slot open!

[Executor]

I'll take C'tis (everything else is taken!),
IF there is a slot open still!

[johnarryn]

Still room? I'll take Pythium.

[llamabeast]

Well, I have largely written a program, but I just realised it doesn't differentiate between water and land provinces (I assume you meant less than three neighbours of the same land/sea type). By the way, do you really mean less than three, or "three or less"?

[ano]

Cool that you did it. I meant "two or less" but "three or less" will also be fine.
As for water provinces, I think, it's also doable, isn't it?

[llamabeast]

Yeah, it's doable, I just thought I'd better stop cos I'm at work!

[Revolution]

are we gonna use the worthy heroes mod Ano?

[ano]

I don't mind if nobody does.

[JimMorrison]

If the script doesn't want to handle the water properly because of land connects, that much can be edited manually in just a few minutes. Yes, I am volunteering myself, if that's what you're going to ask. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[ano]

Yes, this can be done manually, but llama's script will be a very useful tool once he finishes it. For now, yes, we may even assign starting provinces manually.

[ano]

Tried to specify starting locations but ran into the following problem:
Is it possible to specify a set of possible starting locations from which starting location for specific nation will be chosen?
#specstart should have 2 params to work: nation number and province number. What should I do if I don't want to link starting location to specific nation?
If it is possible in no way other than marking each province out of this set with #nostart, I really don't like it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

[JimMorrison]

Well, it's likely a much more complicated script, but it would be interesting if it could be automated in such a way as to make fair and balanced (static) start positions. So, it would eliminate all territories with 3 or less connections, then determine loosely (based on a specified number of nations) the average spacing to make them all roughly equidistant, and especially to insure that all capitals are at least 3 provinces from eachother. I am sure this is far too complicated for anyone to just sit down for 15 minutes and bang out, so it's just wishful thinking, but it sounds neat. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif I mean once it was doing all that, it could probably even go down the list based on number of connections, so it would look at say, provinces with 7 neighbors, and see how many could work together as capitals, and then fill the rest of the list with 6 neighbor spots if possible.

Forgive my blathering, I am much better at speaking and typing, than programming. Well, I'm much better at just everything other than programming..... but I don't hold it against myself.

>.>

[seej]

I assume it will be posted here when the map is ready?

[ano]

Yes, it will.

[ano]

So, I've made changes to the map and specified the starting provinces. Obviously, some of them are better and some are worse but I spent more than an hour trying to make everyone happy http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
Here're the starting provinces numbers:
5, 121, 64, 262, 264, 18, 90, 130, 196, 243, 23, 241, 238, 151, 62, 53, 123.
I PM'ed llamabeast so hopefully the game will soon be created. You may get the map from attachment in the first post and the mods from the links.

[Dragar]

For the worthy Heroes Mod, is it the one in the first post of that thread??

[ano]

I provided a link to the discussion thread for those who don't know what it is (including myself http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif). The mod itself is an attachment to the first post in that thread.

[ano]

I noticed that version 1.8 is rather old. Does anyone know if WH works well with the latest patch?

[Revolution]

I'm playing in a couple games right now that have the WH mod and it seems to work fine with the patch

[JimMorrison]

WH doesn't add/change too much, it seems to be really stable.

Is there a deadline on pretenders? I tend to like to run test builds up until the last minute, it's half the fun for me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[seej]

could someone post a zipped version of the map? I dont have a rar undoer.

[ano]

You may find the zips in discussion thread (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=573514&page=0&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1). The difference is only in starting locations I've listed above.

[ano]

Game has been created. You may upload pretenders. We will start no earlier than Monday evening and I really hope everyone will make their pretenders by that time)
Here's the link:
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Stasis

[JimMorrison]

So do we use the map attached to the first post of this thread? We were waiting for it to be edited, just not clear on whether or not the final version is there, or what's the deal with that.

And my pretender is in finally, my apologies for dragging my feet. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[ano]

Yes, the final version of the map is attached to the first post. The only difference form original Alexander map (no libraries) is in the predefined stating locations I've listed above.

[ano]

So we are only waiting for Machaka, Mictlan and Pythium.

[johnarryn]

Pretender sent. Sorry for the delay folks.

[chrispedersen]

On other matters:

I am in Chicago from Friday till Sunday.

I am not expecting to delay the game. My positions in all games will be capably handled by Mark Montero.

I am going to down the servers Thursday night at midnight, to give them a fresh reboot, and to install some remote management software.

That way if something happens while I'm away, there will be at least the possibility of resolving the problem remotely.

Best to all


Chris

[ano]

I wrote llamabeast so hopefully we will soon have the game running.
Chris, did I understand right that you request a delay if something occasionally goes wrong?

[Dragar]

what is the victory condition by the way?

[chrispedersen]

Er, nope = )

I cut and pasted the message from all games, including ones I'm hosting.

I'm really crossing my fingers there will be no problems - but I will have no way (I think) of figuring out if there is a problem.

I've arranged a sub - and hes a good guy - but if its three turns of staling (gosh I hope not), I'll probably just drop.

[ano]

Dragar said:
what is the victory condition by the way?


Standard.

[JimMorrison]

Kill 'em all, let me sort 'em out.

>.>

[seej]

Is there something wrong? It looks like all the players have sent in their pretenders and yet I have not received a turn.

[ano]

I wrote llamabeast twice. Noone except him can start the game.

[llamabeast]

On the case, should be starting later today.

[seej]

thanks General Llamabeast!

You are a real (worthy?) British hero.

[ano]

Ok, the game has started. Thanks llamabeast and gl everyone)

[chrispedersen]

I downloaded the map from the first attachment... extracted into map folder.

game says.. Na got ge flik...
No alexandre.tga ... and sure enough.. there is no tga file.

Sooo where do I find said varmint?

Soooo I download tga file... and now the icons are corrupt.. Same thing happened to me on the kingmaker..

[ano]

First, sadly second turn will be paused until Monday due to johnarryn's major request
Second, chris, I really don't know anything about your problem. File Alexander.tga (not Alexandre.tga) should be attached to the first post (it seems to work fine for everybody). As for corrupted icons I know nothing at all. Must be a global problem.

[ano]

You may try to download the map from the discussion thread (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=d3smm&Number=573514&page=0 &view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1) but I'm pretty sure that .tga files are identical

[llamabeast]

Chris, the attachment on the first post is a RAR file, which is like a zip file. If you can't open it you need to download a program called winrar from here:

http://www.rarlab.com/rar/wrar371.exe

You should then be able to open the rar file, and find that it contains Alexander.tga, which you should put in your dominions3/maps folder.

[ano]

llamabeast
I don't think that was the problem because Chris says he "extracted the file into map folder".

[llamabeast]

Well if he hasn't got a tga file he must have had an issue somewhere along those lines.

chris - what file do you have?

[chrispedersen]

Actually, this has happened two times.

What happens if I download the mod file before the map file, the game will not work.

aka - when I run it, I can't see neighbors, 3 icons of recruitable troops don't show up, etc.

However, if I then just download the mod file again, everything works fine.

[chrispedersen]

We have a message for you.

[ano]

You may send a PM to Ulm via forum. karnoza is a registered user.

[Dragar]

The silence is deafening in this game! Anything interesting happening in the game? Have any major conflicts begun?

[AdmiralZhao]

So far, the mage-chefs of Ryleh have sampled the primitive brain-meats of 3 nations. Shinuyama's shamblers were a bland and flavorless meal, while Tien Chi's archers and calvary had a bit more spice. Our favorite has been the skin shifters of Midgard. They start out as a rugged, hearty fare, which quickly changes into a wild and zestful second course. With their constant regeneration, they are meal enough for even the hungriest star-spawn. Sadly, the period of independent expansion is coming to and end, and we can no longer easily arrange such meetings between our chefs and the wandering food-herds of the other nations. If you have any particularly tasteful neighbors, let us know and will split them with you.

Hmm, and on a sadder note, Llamaserver is rejecting my turn. Something about Llamaserver overstepping its free daily hosting limits.

[Executor]

Wow, this turn wasn't nice, I attacked a province that had 14 elephants, still not sure how I won this!?
And on another matter, I need death and astral gems and offer water in return , I am C'tis by the way.

[AdmiralZhao]

Ryleh is also looking for death gems, as well as a thistle mace.

[JimMorrison]

Bandar Log requests audience with the other neighbors of mighty Mictlan.

We would just like a head start on negotiations with our soon-to-be neighbors. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[karnoza]

It seems that there is some misunderstanding between Ulm and Ashdod. Has been informed that Ashdod is sending away messages accusing Ulm of "violating a NAP, prior to its expiration".

But below is previous message from Asdod to Ulm which states conditions of breaking a NAP:
_______________________________
I regret to inform you ...

From: chrispedersen

That as of this turn(13) my ally requires me to nullify my nap with you.

I personally think it will all be over by the time the nap expires (hostilities could commence on 17), but I am honor bound to say something.

I propose to revisit the matter with you, then.

Best wishes.

____________________

So, on turn 18 Ulm attacked some Ashdod province by a single scout and this is not NAP violation in anyway.

[JimMorrison]

The time for pomp and ceremony is over. The hillsides of the once expansive Bandar empire glow from the fires of Ulmish armies, and the unreasonable invasion horde from Mictlan.

Neighbors, friends, and enemies of Mictlan, know this - their empire has launched an all-out offensive against us, the army is not only massive, but is supported by what would seem to be the vast bulk of Mictlan's mage-priests.

After having our primary defenses rudely crushed by Ulm, Mictlan has nearly effortlessly established a beachhead, facing only reinforcements. The only way all of you can avoid being the next target for annexation, is to strike at the soft underbelly. Take a bite from the beast, or declare him your master - time is short.

[chrispedersen]

Hey!
In the interests of fairness, I have to conclude that karnoza is right. Staling on MY part is not an error on his!

Fair is fair: Game on!

[Dragar]

Well, its been a tough game for Abysia, hit from three sides and a newbie player learning the power of a SC the hard way.

Down to my last province, some joy at last in a successful defence finally killing the machaka pretender SC who has singlehandedly been killing armies that were otherwise handling the regular Machakan armies comfortably

Hopefully I can hold out and frustrate the invadres a little longer, and hope someone can take advantage of machaka's misofrtune before the god returns and is rearmed - albeit with a couple of afflictions

[JimMorrison]

Reports from the ravaged lands in Bandar Log seem to depict several dozen frightened and bloodied Mictlan troops fleeing from the Bandar capital.

A spokesman for the Bandar, the venerable White One Mikhael Blackson would only provide this short quote to reporters, "When all else fails, ethereal Markatas will terrify even the stoutest of men.".

It is unknown at the present time what this statement actually means, but it is believed to elude to a secret doomsday weapon that the Bandar have developed far beneath their mountain home.

[chrispedersen]

Hmm, more likely exploding markata...

[JimMorrison]

While it may be true that some wondered if the designation "C4" emblazoned on the new uniforms were simply a military distinction - the results were reality defying.

The one survivor who was taken back to the fortress in Bandar Log could barely speak, save to repeat endlessly, "Damned little monkeys bit my ears off!".

[BigDisAwesome]

I will be out of town this weekend, so if I could get a small delay that'd be awesome. I'll be leaving about 5PM EST on Friday the 18th, and getting back about 10PM EST on Sunday the 20th.
Thanks in advance.

[ano]

No problem, but could you please remind me (here or with PM) more close to that date? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
It may also happen that no delay will be needed at all.

[Natpy]

Machaka would like to buy nature gems. We may offer fire, death or earth gems in exchange.

[BigDisAwesome]

Alright I'm back. I just got my turn in. Thanks again for the delay everyone.

[BigDisAwesome]

And Ermor is looking to trade for some Earth Boots and/or Dwarven Hammers. We've many things to trade, so drop me a line.

[AdmiralZhao]

Ryleh is looking for Dwarf Hammers. We can trade several types of boosters, or just earth gems.

[AdmiralZhao]

And after examining the turn, I would also like to announce that Ryleh has entered the war again Bandar Log. Ulm and Mictlan need not live in fear any longer, for Ryleh will soon put an end to the Markata Menance.

[JimMorrison]

What war? I just see some poor little monkeys trapped in a few towers way up in the mountains.

Shame on you! Shame on you all!

Okay, now that I got that out of my system..... Hurry up and kill me off so I can plot my Bandarevenge! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[chrispedersen]

The sleepy giants are looking to buy gems.

20 gp offered for fire.
15 gp offered for death, earth, nature.

[ano]

I doubt you'll find anyone willing to sell his valuable gems for mere gold http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

[chrispedersen]

I already have.

Theres nothing 'magic' about gems. If building castles faster, or building troops faster, or buying mercs helps you expand where otherwise you are sitting on 5 or 10 nature gems, 2-3 air gems.

It makes sense to sell.

[JimMorrison]

Wish someone had offered to trade me cool stuff for my gems..... I have 200 or so sitting around getting moldy.

Shame on you all!

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

[BigDisAwesome]

Feel free to throw them Ermor's way! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif:D:D

[AdmiralZhao]

Ryleh is offering 25gp for Astral, Death, and Nature gems.

[chrispedersen]

30.

[JimMorrison]

Now see, 5-6 turns earlier in this bidding war, and you all could have saved the lives of millions of innocent monkeys.

Millions, I swear.

[johnarryn]

Hey folks. Due to some personal matters, I am forced to withdraw from all the games I am currently playing. I've chosen to set myself to AI (which I normally hate to do) rather than look for a substitute because I don't want to delay the game any longer than I already have. Thank you for your understanding.

[BigDisAwesome]

NO! Now all Pythium's neighbors get a bunch of free provinces.

You seem to be in a decent spot on the score graphs. Is there anyway we could try to find a sub? It's never fun when 1-2 nations get a huge advantage because someone went AI.

[ano]

Yes, it might be a good idea to try to find a sub but I'm not sure we'll manage to.

[chrispedersen]

I don't know that there is a huge advantage to be had BigDis.

Ulm and Ryalla are very dominant in this game.

[JimMorrison]

BigDisAwesome said:
NO! Now all Pythium's neighbors get a bunch of free provinces.

You seem to be in a decent spot on the score graphs. Is there anyway we could try to find a sub? It's never fun when 1-2 nations get a huge advantage because someone went AI.



Pretty sure he's already AI - he made the same post on BraveNewWorld, and it hosted immediately, and he shows as AI now.

[BigDisAwesome]

If we were to delay though and someone resend this turns .2h file in without the command to go AI, then I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be.

[AdmiralZhao]

I would be fine with a minor delay & a non-AI Pythium.

[ano]

What do you mean by "minor" delay? I don't really think it's very easy to find a sub for him, however I don't mind it too.

[chrispedersen]

Look,

No offense, but I had an neutrality pact with john that hemmed me in restricting the territories I could take. The return for that was an ally.

Its 27 turns into the game. I don't want another player I don't know, and who doesn't know the agreements taking over.

Let Pythium fall to its neighbors - anyone that is concerned about Ashdod gaining a third of pythium should check the charts. Ryllah and Ulm are way ahead of that already.

[AdmiralZhao]

Fine, Pythium can go AI. But you owe me one, Ashdod.

[ano]

Actually, I received a PM from a player who wants to sub. So, it is quite possible to have non-AI Pythium if we pause the game for 24 hours, I think.
chrispedersen
Subbing is a normal practice so you may accept it as a luck\unluck event. Also, if a player with big empire goes AI, it is a matter of much bigger imbalance.

[ano]

Also, I'm pretty sure you may restore all treaties because I doubt that new player will start wars once he joins the game.

[konming]

Greetings everyone, I have taken over the empire of Pythium. Please PM me about any pacts you have with me and I shall honor them.

Also we are in great need of the following items:

ring of regeneration and/or hydra skin armor
dwarven hammer

We can trade gems in favorable terms or forge things for you in return.

Cheers.

[chrispedersen]

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Ok. So, last message I see before the boards go down is Ryalla's saying, "OK - let Pythium go AI". So I attack.

And in the meantime konming joins as pythium, (which I have no knowledge of) so I attack someone who was willing to be my ally.

You should have stopped hosting when the boards went down.

[chrispedersen]

Ashdod will forge a dwarven hammer for the first person that

a). Naps.
b) Provides 25 earth gems. Death gems may be substituted, up to half.

Ash

[JimMorrison]

It was a valiant last stand in Bandar Log. The cornered apes fought with impressive zeal - performing admirably against the assembled Mictlan horde.

As the last few Markatas scampered into the trees, a Rishi could be heard saying "I told you we should have NAPed Ulm, our Tigers would have gone to good use against Mictlan".

Good luck you guys, looks like I got sandwiched between the heavy hitters, look out for Ulm, Mictlan, and R'lyeh, they're all doing quite well. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[konming]

Well no harm done anyway. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[ano]

chrispedersen
I only pause the game if I am asked to and there never was any problem with it. It was discussed in this thread that I was looking for a someone to sub johnarryn, later konmig himself replied here and I really see no reason why I should have paused the game and make people wait for nothing.
If you attacked allied nation before it actually became AI controlled, you were way too fast, if you didn't read the forums... What can I do with it?
Also, I believe that this attack won't hamper your relations if you really want to become allies.
JimMorrison
Thanks for the game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[chrispedersen]

ano said:
chrispedersen
I only pause the game if I am asked to and there never was any problem with it. It was discussed in this thread that I was looking for a someone to sub johnarryn, later konmig himself replied here and I really see no reason why I should have paused the game and make people wait for nothing.



Man, I read the forums almost constantly - at least 6-7 times a day, and more at night. There was no way to make a request for a delay. There was no way to find out Pythium was being subbed. The boards were down for maintenance! !

Ano, I think if there is a significant change to the game - like a change of player, a nation being set to ai, a change in victory conditions, etc. - that the game should be delayed until everyone knows it.

I'd like to propose that as a standard anyway.

[chrispedersen]

In the end, it will be recorded in the annals of history that exploding markatas were no match for the life sucking aliens from outer space!

Good luck!

[ano]

chrispedersen
Yes, you're right. I forgot about the maintenance.

Ano, I think if there is a significant change to the game - like a change of player, a nation being set to ai, a change in victory conditions, etc. - that the game should be delayed until everyone knows it.


I don't mind. I just need some criteria to understand that everyone knows. It's an ideal world, IMO. To make this proposition more realistic I may just pause the game for at least 24h in the cases you described, more if forums are unavailable.

[BigDisAwesome]

Just back out of the provinces and don't set up and PD.
Maybe give him a little chunk of gold and gems to make up for it.

Problem solved.

[chrispedersen]

Ashdod would like to announce the opening of Ashdods forge and pawn shop. Catalog is forthcoming!

Others may be better (how they got to con-6 already!!) but no one beats our prices.

Ashdod - forging a brighter!

And don't forget to inquire about our reasonable layaway and pawn programs. Have rings of tamed lightning you're no longer using? Charcoal shields. Bring them in and let ashdod make you an offer to turn your old unused items into brand bling!

Ashdod - forging fire, earth, death, and air since the dawn of time.

[konming]

Hi everyone. Sorry to request a extension so quickly. I will be out of country this Monday and cannot access computer till Wendesday or Thursday. So I am requesting a 48 hour extension for the next turn (turn 30). Thanks!

[BigDisAwesome]

Well Ulm you refuse to answer my PM's then so be it.

But according to your message our NAP will end on turn 31. As in you may order your troops to move on 31 therefore attacking on 32. Any sooner would be a breach of the agreement.

[ano]

Hosting postponed by 12 hours. Requested by Machaka

[AdmiralZhao]

The underwater forges of Ryleh are now open to the world. We offer a complete line of astral products, from rings of sorcery down to astral caps. Just send the quantity of the order, as well as your cap measurements and estimated brain-weight, to Ryleh. We also offer water and nature forging.

In general, Ryleh has an endless need for astral and death gems. We can pay well in gems, gold, or forging for these gems. The aid of our mages and armies can also be purchased for astral and death gems.

[chrispedersen]

I will be going out of town Tomorrow, returning Tues evening. May I request an extention until then?

[ano]

Yes, sure. As you can see, the current turn is until Tuesday morning. It is already delayed due to request from konming and will be delayed by another 24h if he doesn't return.

[Executor]

Jim Morison will be stepping in as C'tis,
So He runs the show from now on people! C YA

[AdmiralZhao]

Have fun in the new Hellscape game, Executor.

Dr. Morrison, you should find C'tis in a good position, with strong magic and armies. Really though, their main strength is in their long-standing treaties and strategic partnership with the nation of Ryleh.

[JimMorrison]

< Dusts off his boots with a satisfied smile. >

Well then, greetings again, denizens of stasis!

My escape from the doomed fortress of Bandar Log was well planned, and brought me a period of good health, and self reflection! In the meantime, I found this nation of oddly superstitious reptiles. Living among them, I studied their culture, until the day that I could convince them that I was the subject of an ancient prophecy.

Through C'tissian worship, I grow stronger daily. My muscles bulge and my eyes blaze with an ancient fury. I've not much felt myself since ascending to this new position of power. It is as if..... someone were urging me to do things that I would not have seen to be obvious choices, on my own. My heart hardens, and my mind focuses. The great war of the end days is upon us, and I have come to end it.

Why even just today, my waiter brought me the wrong meal, and I strangled him in front of everyone. Soon, all in Stasis will learn to fear me, just as the employees of Chili's fear me. O.O

[Executor]

Not that I could have easily been killed by R'leyh.
You should join Hellscape if you got time Zhao, I like a challenging game.
Anyways don't kill this fella too soon...

[chrispedersen]

Well I for one hope he likes sushi. = )

[JimMorrison]

Well you know what they say about Illithid women?





They have the most suckers on their face! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

[AdmiralZhao]

Ahh, so you are interested in Illithid women?

*Warning* NSFW NSFW NSFW *Warning*
http://photography.nationalgeographic.com/photography/photos/translucent-creatures/translucent-pelagic-octopus-newbert.html
*Warning* NSFW NSFW NSFW *Warning*

[JimMorrison]

Those are AWESOME! You should drop that link in the thread about Oceania summons, might give some good inspiration to someone. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif


And you know the only thing hotter than a pelagic octopus??

A pelagic octopus named Newbert! O.o

[karnoza]

Something strange is happening in this game.
First I was betrayed by Jotunheim now the situation is nearly the same with Oceania. We had peace with these water inhabitans and according to our treaty were sending them 400 gold per turn for the possibility to control some land provinces they took form us before. I am not sure if it was a fair deal because those provinces had about 100 unrest but that is not the issue...
The issue is that we had a NAP with Oceania and we were sending him gold each turn and now we are heavily attacked without any warning. I am a new person to this forums but I'd like to ask if it is considered fair play here? I just don't get it.

[Revolution]

karnoza said:
Something strange is happening in this game.
First I was betrayed by Jotunheim now the situation is nearly the same with Oceania. We had peace with these water inhabitans and according to our treaty were sending them 400 gold per turn for the possibility to control some land provinces they took form us before. I am not sure if it was a fair deal because those provinces had about 100 unrest but that is not the issue...
The issue is that we had a NAP with Oceania and we were sending him gold each turn and now we are heavily attacked without any warning. I am a new person to this forums but I'd like to ask if it is considered fair play here? I just don't get it.



I generally assume that it's under the honor system unless the host specifically says at the start of the game that NAPs and other agreements between players are not to be broken. You are quite unlucky...over many games I have yet to have someone break a NAP against me. The best you can do is to let everyone know of R'lyehs backstabbery and encourage those who currently have NAPs with R'lyeh that not only is he not to be trusted, but that since he has no respect for NAPs they should not respect the NAPs either and should go ahead and attack him and engage him in a 2 or 3 front war while he is fighting you.

More often than not though when someone breaks a NAP it is just a misunderstanding and the person who broke the NAP thought that they were within their rights. Most people do try to protect their reputation.

[ano]

It seems that karnoza was speaking about Oceania, not R'lyeh.

[AdmiralZhao]

Karnoza was definitely speaking about Oceania, not Ryleh. I have had dealings with Seej (Oceania) before, when he broke a NAP in a previous game. I've never met a more untrustworthy player; he seems to take delight in breaking his treaties. A duck should trust a scorpion before you place faith in one of Seej's pacts.

[ano]

Wow! Maybe it's worth tracking the "untrustworthy" people by adding them to some black list...
I doubt karnoza could have known about that...

[konming]

I like the list thing. Maybe we should start a thread listing those dishonorable people and their offenses. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[konming]

Peaceful nation of Pythium is now open to trade. We can forge the following items, among others:

Air boosters (helmet, bag)
Staff of storm
Water booster (bracelet, robe)
Astral booster (cap)
Ring of Soccery
Ring of Wizardry
Frost Brand

Price will be reasonable. Please inquire by PM.

Thanks for your attention.

[seej]

Hi all,
I wanted to answer the charges. First, yes I attacked Ulm this turn.

Second, I am sending him back his 400 gold for last turn.
For what its worth, I had not intended to keep that $$. Third, there was no warning-ahead clause on our NAP, so I gave none.

Rest easy, oh neighbors of mine with whom I *do* have notification clauses.

CJ

[konming]

Isn't the whole purpose of NAP to get some warnings ahead?

What is the difference between "no warning-ahead clause NAP" and no NAP at all? It seems to me that both are attacking at will.

Can someone explain this for me?

[JimMorrison]

konming said:
Ring of Soccery



Know to some nations as the "Ring of Futbol". >.>


And I've never heard of a NAP0, that is indeed like no nap at all. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif In my experience, it is universally accepted that unless otherwise specified, the standard duration of the NAP is 3 turns between notice, and attack.

Not that I am entirely fond of Ulm in this game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[konming]

Yessir, Ulm must die!

[chrispedersen]

Regarding the list thing:

Search the postings.. there was a very long posting about this that devolved into a flame war.

My own attempt in this got locked. Some players do not want a list generated.

[chrispedersen]

I'd like to introduce a new term into Dominions Lexicon.
Its based on reverse dutch auctions, and known in american parlance as either reverse dutch or reverse chinese. However, to keep jingoism out of it, I'd like to just call it a reverse nap.

Here is the definition:

Both sides enter into a NAP with an agreed upon term, such as NAP +3 - which would normally be that there is peace for three turns AFTER the turn of notification.

So, a Reverse NAP is this:

The side that is *notified* may take any actions it deems fit, immediately, upon notification.

The side deciding to end the NAP, must wait the agreed upon time.

This makes it a disadvantage to break the NAP, and hence a little bit stronger than a traditional NAP.

Whatdya think?

[ano]

Very nice idea indeed.

[BigDisAwesome]

So I'm gonna be out of town on vacation Monday the 18th through Friday the 22nd of next week without access to a computer. Can we delay the game a little bit so that I don't miss a turn? I'm in a pretty respectable spot. And I'm at war with 2 nations right now, so I'd rather not turn my turns over to someone else right now.
Much appreciated.

[AdmiralZhao]

I would be fine with a delay of game, though if you could find a competent sub that would be better.

[ano]

Sorry for not noticing your post. How much delay do you need?

[BigDisAwesome]

It depends. I'll post right before I leave Monday. And I won't be getting back until late Friday night. So I probably won't have my turn in until Saturday morning.

[ano]

I think that we have no option other than to agree)

[BigDisAwesome]

Ok I'm leaving in a couple hours. I have the current turn submitted, so the next turn is where I'll need a delay. I should have the next one in Saturday morning at the earliest.

I'll post once I get back in town. Thanks again guy.

[AdmiralZhao]

Ryleh, being the upstanding global citizen that it is, intends to get rid of this accursed Forge which threatens us all. The longer the Forge stands, the more powerful Ulm grows, until eventually he will destroy us all. If you have astral pearls to spare for the Dispel, or even if you are willing to trade, please let us know.

[AdmiralZhao]

Oh, and we're also interested in ~30 blood slaves, in case anyone is willing to trade for them.

[chrispedersen]

Hey, since
1. the llamaserver is down (and we don't know when its coming up)
2. we don't know if they are patching
3. its labor day weekend - can we adjourn till Monday evening. I don't want to be surprised by a turn being due.

[ano]

I doubt it is a good idea.
1. Llamaserver will be up on Saturday evening. It is a planned maintenance. Read here (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=40405).
2. Read here (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=40400)

As far as I understand all turns in all games are delayed by 48 hours so you'll have a full Sunday to submit your turn. If you still insist that we make a pause until Monday evening, I will make it but the only argument I see is your labor weekend.

[JimMorrison]

I doubt it is a good idea.
1. Llamaserver will be up on Saturday evening. It is a planned maintenance. Read here (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=40405).
2. Read here (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=40400)

As far as I understand all turns in all games are delayed by 48 hours so you'll have a full Sunday to submit your turn. If you still insist that we make a pause until Monday evening, I will make it but the only argument I see is your labor weekend.


Well, I think that was part of his point, I guess. That due to the holiday, computer access will be sporadic, and thus it's hard to know when a turn can be successfully processed.

<3

Americans have some stupid holidays, but don't tell anyone I said that, shhhhhh. :cold:

[chrispedersen]

And what exactly is a boxer day?

[JimMorrison]

The game seems to have been inadvertently set to a 24h timer for this game. I am going to decline to process the current turn until I hear or see that it has been moved back to a 48h host time - since I would expect a rollback if I were on the wrong side of that timer (and I will be, actually! :p).

[ano]

It seems that you are mistaken. The game is and was on 48h timer.
Look here (http://www.llamaserver.net/admin.cgi?game=Stasis)

[JimMorrison]

Prophet on a stick. I see what happened on this one, just MSN jacking me around. I didn't actually receive the mail when it first got here, and misread the stamp, thinking that I had just gotten the mail today. God what a headache.

Please put up with me, I've been rather sick the last several days, and I'm still not altogether with it I guess.

<3

Guess I get to put together my turn at 4am. :p

[ano]

Did I understand you right that everything is fine?;)

[JimMorrison]

Did I understand you right that everything is fine?;)

Fine? No, not really. :p But me being sick while there is an unexpected delay (due to the server swap), and getting all discombobulated, is sort of no one else's fault or responsibility.

What a mess! :p

[ano]

As I understood, you don't request anything...
;)

[AdmiralZhao]

Ahh, that 4:00 AM turn would explain the mixed formations of mages and Catoblepas that I was seeing from Ctis. =)

[JimMorrison]

Ahh, that 4:00 AM turn would explain the mixed formations of mages and Catoblepas that I was seeing from Ctis. =)


Hah, yes. I spaced them apart, but did not account for the way larger formations get all squished together on the battlefield. Lovely way to burn some cash I don't have. :P Oh well, it's not really meant to be a chaff army, but I was hoping to have more of it around at this point - I'll deal. :re:

[JimMorrison]

And, I have officially proven that I don't have the resources, or the grasp of C'tis to make this position tenable.

Either that, or I've proven that I'm very good at not dealing with Mictlan's armies effectively (well, I did pretty well as Bandar Log, considering the situation, so I'm going with the former).

Maybe a little of both though, hard to tell for sure.

[ano]

I'd like to state that if seej is going to stale the next turn as well I'll ask someone to set Oceania AI controlled.

[llamabeast]

seej was having some problems opening her turn file. She sent me a few e-mails about it, so I think she was at least trying.

[ano]

Is ssej a girl? Wow!)
I know about her problems, i immediately replied with some advices and ideas concerning that and paused the game for 24 h. It was previous turn but there's still no reply.

[BigDisAwesome]

I hope she doesn't go AI. She was a good neighbor, and it would really suck for me if the AI starts crawling out of the water at me...

[ano]

Your suggestions?

[llamabeast]

Er, actually I don't know if he or she's a girl. The name when he/she e-mailed me was one which is often a girl's, but sometimes a boy's. Probably shouldn't have used "she" anyway, in case it was meant to be private. Oops.

Not sure what to suggest. I'll send him/her an e-mail.

[ano]

It seems to me that if someone is not interested in the situation solution then nothing can be done with it. I see that seej is not interested so...
BidDis, Oceania looks pretty weak now and I doubt that AI Oceania may be a threat to your mighty nation even if AI decides to attack your lands which is also doubtful.

[seej]

Hello everyone,
The last three turn files have all crashed my dominions on two separate computers with two different installations of Dominions...

I apologize for not having checked the forums to let you all know sooner, but I was really hoping this would resolve itself and didn't want to put any more blood in the water. Anyway, I need to be set to AI or handed off or something.
Let me know what I need to do, game leader.

- C

[ano]

Do you have 3.20 patch installed?
If yes then probably llamabeast may tell you something.. I read in llamaserver FAQ that such things happen sometimes and it may be solved if we change your e-mail. Do you have any additional e-mail address?

[llamabeast]

I'm actually completely mystified. I've sent seej the file by direct e-mail from myself, and even by uploading it onto the internet, all apparently to no avail. I can open the file fine. So I'm really clueless in this case.

[chrispedersen]

this is why I *really* like to delay games after a patch.

I have an intermittent crash in 3.20 as well - but only on one machine.

seej, do you have any symptoms? While hosting for example, I can't view statistics.

have you tried with the -x option?

if using linux, have you tried using a windows emulator (I know, kind of defeats the purpose - still...)

[JimMorrison]

If it's 64 bit Linux apparently there's a 3.20b patch available to solve an issue.

[ano]

I doubt he has 3.20 installed at all. Still no answer to this.

[AdmiralZhao]

I've corresponded with seej. He doesn't have 3.20 installed. He'll be upgrading and sending in more turns.

[BigDisAwesome]

Yay. Seems like every game that I make it through the initial expansion phase in I just get tagteamed. Well have fun fighting off Ulm after he comes for you next Machaka.

[Revolution]

You should all be aware that on top of his current massive gem income, Ano is clamming. With his province lead, income, and killer SC's...My fate is sealed and all of yours will be as well if you do not band together and strike soon.

Also, well fought war Ano. Your attention to detail with your scripting and careful army management continues to impress me when we end up fighting.

[ano]

Thanks for good words...
I made some mistakes and suffered some major loses in this war but it was your choice - I didn't want it indeed.

[chrispedersen]

Theres nothing wrong with the position, but with the alliance between ulm and shinuyama I have no interest in continuing the game.

I have not put it on AI- so you can find someone to take my place if you wish, but I really think it pointless.

[ano]

Lol... I just would like to know how my refusal to fight Ulm can influence you and your nation? Do what you want to but don't blame anyone, look at yourself.

[BigDisAwesome]

It looks like I need to be set to AI. Here in Ohio we got 60-70 mph gusts of winds yesterday caused by hurricane Ike. I'm without power at home, and they're saying that it could be up to a week until they get power fully restored. So instead of delaying the rest of you for a week to wait on me, just set me AI. I'm getting tagteamed by Ulm and Machaka anyway and am on my way out, so it really doesn't matter much anyway.

Best of luck to everyone.

[ano]

Hm, taking on account problems with llamaserver and Ike hurricane (many people have been influenced by it) I think that it is maybe better to wait a bit for you to submit your turn when you can. Not sure about what other players think though.

[AdmiralZhao]

I'm fine with a wait. I'm also fine with Shinuyama fighting Ulm. =)

[chrispedersen]

Lol... I just would like to know how my refusal to fight Ulm can influence you and your nation? Do what you want to but don't blame anyone, look at yourself.

I doubt its a serious question. But I'll answer it.
Blame isn't the right word ano.

Your alliance with ulm removes any interest I have in the game. Congrats you win. Or whoever. It is of no interest to me to sit and wait for the outcome.

[AdmiralZhao]

Rather than going AI, maybe attack one of your neighbors? Ulm or Pythium would both be fine with me. Failing that, could you send me some of your gems/items before you go out?

[ano]

I seem to have found a sub for Ashdod but it will be decided in the evening today. So I have to again! pause the game for something like 12h to clarify the situation with subbing.

[BigDisAwesome]

After a LOOOONG week I just got power back this morning. As you can imagine, I'm gonna be pretty busy today. I probably won't be able to even get to my turn until tomorrow.

Doesn't really matter if it hosts without me. It'll only be a couple more turns until my empire is small enough to go AI.

[AdmiralZhao]

Congratulations! I'm still waiting to get power back at my home. Stupid trees. :(

[ano]

Doesn't really matter if it hosts without me. It'll only be a couple more turns until my empire is small enough to go AI.
I'll pause the game a bit more. Once you are in, we will host

[ano]

Ashdod from now will be controlled by Dimaz. Please, contact him if you want any treaties be kept or something.

[ano]

I decided to postpone hosting by additional 12h for BigDis to be able to send his turn in. Pause appears to be great in total but still it is the hurricane we are to thank too.

[BigDisAwesome]

I missed the last turn. I don't have the time for these long turns right now, and I'm not exactly enjoying myself with this slow death.

I went AI this turn. To all my neighbors with NAP's, come take my capitol before Ulm or Machaka get there.

[ano]

Some players (including myself) are facing difficulties with completing the current turn so I'll postpone hosting by 24h. And also, as we are in the late game now, I suggest to permanently change the hosting interval to 72h.

[ano]

I'm currently facing a problem with my home computer so if it isn't solved today, I'll need the game paused until Saturday afternoon (36h).

[ano]

Guys, I'm really sorry but again I need a pause because I just can't complete my turn today. I hope that it doesn't really affect anyone but it is really a problem for me.

[AdmiralZhao]

I for one am shocked, absolutely shocked, by C'tis' use of Armageddon. Just because you are going out of the game, doesn't mean you have to ruin everything for the rest of us! I think it is up to all nations of the world to put aside our differences and destroy Ctis, while there is still some world left to rule over.

[JimMorrison]

I am confused, absolutely confused by your assertion that poor C'tis could do such a thing.

First, I have no mage capable of casting Wish, and second, I don't have it researched.

Maybe, just maybe, you could get over your shock and look at the person who cast Utterdark this very turn. Maybe it will all start to make a bit of sense then.

I am much more likely to pump every gem I have into summons, and turn my last castle into a meatgrinder for my assailant, than to do something silly like hurt everyone else with Armageddon. Oh wait, that's what I did. Ask Mictlan how fun the meatgrinder was, I'm sure he would be willing to attest that I had far too many summons there to have possibly managed a Wish, what with my 4E/3D/4N pretender, and my best Astral mages being a couple of Couatls with Starshine Skullcaps. Tremble, mortal.

[ano]

Well, it seems quite logical to me that it was you who casted Armageddon. Probably, it is better to ask JimMorrison himself if he did cast it. I seriously doubt it. The only nation that could benefit from it was yours

[ano]

My understanding of human psychology tells that AdmiralZhao is trying to cheat us. I understand it is so but I can't really see any sense in it.
Well, so be it. Let's try to do at least something

[JimMorrison]

It's a pretty funny gambit, really. I just defended my lone castle from Mictlan last turn, and barely survived. Maybe he would do us the favor of revealing whether or not there was an S9 mage present. :p

I agree, looks like Zhao peed in the pool, and pointed at me. ;)

[ano]

Maybe he would do us the favor of revealing whether or not there was an S9 mage present.
I don't think it is needed. Things seem quite obvious to me and I really see no need in lies.

[AdmiralZhao]

Well, as the only water nation left in the game, the pool is Ryleh's to pee in or not as we see fit. :)

As for S9 casters, I understand that they are not always necessary to cast Armageddon. Our thaumaturges speculate that if a casting of Solar Brilliance was to become corrupted, perhaps by long exposure to vast clouds of poison and stench, that the very solar sphere might be damaged or disrupted, causing all manner of dire portents upon the world.

[JimMorrison]

You're calling swamp gas? :shock:

Nothing to see here, and if there was, it's a matter of national security. Move along.

[ano]

Taking on account in-game (and real life) situation Shinuyama and Ulm would like to take a (at least) 3-day pause. We know that it is a lot and the game becomes very slow but we're at the stage when empires and difficulty are so huge that every turn may be decisive especially taking on account the last turn, armageddons etc.
It's mainly me who needs it. I have a lot of work now and I didn't manage to find a sub. I'm sorry but I don't think game is possible without me now.

[AdmiralZhao]

I'm fine with a pause. Also, if you need help finding a sub, I could do some advertising. Practically anyone is going to be an easier for than you. :)

[ano]

Hello again. Guys, it's really hard for me to play now and that's true. Sub doesn't really solve the problem because the empire is huge and even experienced player will find it hard to understand all the aspects and plans.
So we have three options now:
1) find a competent sub for Shinuyama
2) continue playing a slow boat
3) agree to a draw

Of course, I would choose third option not because I want to win here(I don't care how this game ends just because I'm extremely tired of Dominions now) but just because my ally will be most probably be doomed if I stop playing. But I understand that Zhao doesn't want a draw and thinks he will win. Let's discuss these options.
I will finish my current turn tomorrow that's why I'm making a one final postpone now.

[JimMorrison]

I kind of just want to be done opening this thread, and/or doing turns for this game. ;)

[AdmiralZhao]

Hi everyone. All 3 options would be fine with me. I have the next week off, so I have no excuse for not completing a turn except a certain dread of spending 4 hours moving around hundreds of magic items. A draw would be acceptable. Ryleh is quite strong in terms of magic (the gem income on the score graph is about a 1/10th of our actual income :) ), but my opponents have both magic power and many mortal armies, so I'm not sure how such a war would actually play out.

[ano]

Fine, I am very glad to hear it. Draw is the best choice, imho. We realized that your actual gem income and abilities are terrific but we also had a lot of things to show you.
But it is a too heavy weight for me now and, once again, I am very glad. It was a pleasure playing with you and I hope we will meet at the battlefield once when we both have a bit more time to spare. Nevertheless, it was a nice game.
Once we discuss it all with Mictlan, I will close the game. Sorry, everybody, but as draw is acceptable for all, I think it'll be the best choice.

[ano]

So be it. This game has been ended in a draw between mighty nations of R'lyeh, Ulm and Shinuyama. I wish I see you in some further games)

[AdmiralZhao]

Good game everyone! Now that it is over, would you mind telling what your plans were? For my part, I was hoping to continue using Burden of Time + Armageddon to wipe out all the gold, blood slaves, and enemy mages. I figured that if I could survive long enough to do that, then my steadily growing gem income and tartarians would be able to finish off the world. My initial battle plan was to just protect the sites with bonuses (20% of alteration, 20% of conjuration) while the globals wore down the attacking armies. I had some raids planned, and would have counterattacked a bit, but I wasn't planning to risk anything significant while you had dozens of mages with each army, ready to cast Weapons of Sharpness.

My primary worries were 1) someone had enough astral gems to Dispel Gift of Health, which had a lot of gems behind it 2) Shinuyama had masses of undead chaff, which meant somewhere back there were some dozens of undead priests re-animating the chaff, which meant that they would be more or less unaffected by my BoT and Armageddon.

[ano]

Well, I'm impressed. I didn't think that you would continue Armageddonning after GoH was dispelled. I must say that this combo (Armageddon + BoT) is not that impressive against Shinuyama because mages rarely get diseased and even when they do, they die rather long and they are also absolutely expendable. (I think that Shinuyama is one of the strongest MA nations but it has nothing to do with the discussion).
What our plans were... The main reason I didn't want to continue the game is because this turn would be terrific for me. I was planning a massive attack at many directions at once (20-25 provinces at least), preparing anti-tartarian sc's and protecting my artifacts (which I had many) against your potential further armageddons. Yes, I had a ton of reanimating priests who were generating about 400 longdead/turn, I also had full-power blood with average income of 150-200 slaves/turn and many powerful blood mages. Both of these could be heavily affected by armageddons because soulless and longdead never heal and slaves can't be gathered in empty provinces. However, I still had some nasty sites giving a lot of money, a huge fire gem income and about 8000 gold in treasury so I doubt I would suffer the lack of gold badly. My experienced DaiBakemono armies (great unit, btw. Many of them survived from the first turns of the game) backed up by 20-30 mages were also ready to march.
We also decided to cast some cheap globals to fill all slots so that you would have a chance of dispelling your own globals.
Also, this turn I saw that you had only a couple of weak domes and many clam- and artifact-wearing (probably) mages at your capital. We were going to dispel forest dome and cast about 20-30 earth attacks to reduce your clam income. We didn't decide for sure where to cast but everything was well-prepared.
It's all about me.
Karnoza should have done quite opposite thing. He was preparing a one powerful attack at your province with Alt bonus site which you couldn't teleport in due to your own domes. He had about 1400 sieging power and was going to break the walls in a single turn. It was a well-planned attack that he was nurturing for a long time.
But, all in all, I am VERY happy I don't have do all this. Frankly speaking, I am very, very tired of Dominions and especially of late-game) When I showed my empire to a potential sub, he cried "Oh, God! I will never dig it!"
;)

[ano]

As for astral gems, we had a total astral income of about 200 per turn so even if you did cast Nexus for 999 gems, we would dispel it. That was what I supposed you to do after you dispelled my gem-giving globals.