Jotunland (PBEM) - (game on!)

[Whsiker_Biscuit]

Llama has graciously offered to help me get a newbie play by email game going. I'm hoping for people with less than 5 MP games played, or veterans willing to take it easy and show people the ropes (before massacring them).

Early Age
version 3.17
Cradle of Dominions Map
Mods: CBM 1.3
8-10 players
game settings: default

We're currently waiting on llama to do us the awesome service of making the game. It's going to be called 'Jotunland'.

I'll try to cackle more.

Whisker Biscuit - Agartha
WingedDog - Aroscephale
ArkkiMeisseli - Caelum
Anticipatient - Kailasa
mujava68 - Sauromatia
Pelthin - Ermor
Aezeal - Hinnom
CyborgMoses - Formoria
Namad - Nieflhelm
GrudgeBringer -Helheim

[WingedDog]

Hello, sign me in for Arcoscephale please.

[ArkkiMeisseli]

...nobody's booked Caelum yet?


What are you waiting for, sign me up as them!

[anticipatient]

whsiker, could we play CBM?

[Whsiker_Biscuit]

possibly, if you tell me what that is...

Sorry, I'm not up on all the acronyms.

[anticipatient]

I'm going Kailasa please http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[anticipatient]

Conceptual balance mod 1.3. It's designed to make less things suck to the point of being unplayable. It also makes some of the more powerful, overused things a little more expensive.

[majuva68]

Sauromatia for me, please

[Pelthin]

Ermor for me if you Please.

[llamabeast]

Not that many games use CBM, so it would be a little unusual to use it in a newbie game. On the other hand, it arguably should be used much more (I'm beginning to think that, for instance), so perhaps it makes sense to get to know it early.

[Whsiker_Biscuit]

My instinct is to do it modless, since it's a newbie game, but I'll read up on it after work.

[quantum_mechani]

My 2 cents is that it's actually easier for new players to use Conceptual Balance. The reasoning being that many of the 'pitfall' options new players often spend valuable resources on are improved (things like independent light cavalry, horned serpents, many titan pretenders).

[Aezeal]

I'd like in as Hinnom

I'm just trying them out and can't even beat the AI so I guess I have somethings to learn, mighty vanheim and helheim dominate me (mictlan helps them too)

I'd not mind CB mod, don't know it really though but what the heck http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[llamabeast]

Aezeal, surely you are too experienced for a newbie game, especially as the powerful Hinnom.

[CyborgMoses]

I would like to take a shot at Fomoria.

[namad]

i'll play also... i'm busy finalizing my nefelheim pretender for another game today but tomorrow i can work out a pretender for this one..

cbm sounds good since it seems like everyone uses it and stuff might as well learn on it and forget vanilla exists?

oh i thought it sounded clear.. i'll be taking nefelheim unless anyone objects or whatnot..

i've never ever played a MP game but i signed up for one yesterday and i've hosted three small blitzs since then... if this game starts this weekend... i'll probaly have hosted like five casual duels by then but hopefully that still means i'm quite the tenderfoot http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Whsiker_Biscuit]

It sounds good, I'll look at it tonight, but probably end up leaning on experienced players for a recommendation.

Namad - nation?

[RadioGibbon]

I'd like to sign up as Marverni if theirs still a spot left.

[GrudgeBringer]

Could I try Niefelhelm....

3rd game 1 finished (19 turns sigh) 1 starting and this one, you WANT me in this one.

GrudgeBringer

[GrudgeBringer]

I'll try R'lyeh if I can't have Niefelhelm (maybe if i'm in the water everyone will forget me)....

[namad]

i didn't see your post when i posted.. i think technically you beat me to the punch so if anything you should get nef and i should be forced to take ryleh... which i'd be perfectly willing to do!

[GrudgeBringer]

no go ahead ...I don't know either one at all...so I think I would like to try a water nation....Thanks though for the consideration. I'll stay with R'yleh

[rtyffg]

I'd like to join as Pangaea.
Another vote for cbm.

[anticipatient]

I agree. I personally dont mind if aez plays, but I don't think you're a newbie, aez:)

[GrudgeBringer]

Aez is ok with me...if he doesn't swim well!!

[namad]

oh i'd like it if we played cbm simply because nothing about cbm is at all more diffucult than basic... and cbm seems so popular in other multiplayer games that we might as well learn cbm (i've been studying hard to learn cbm for the past 2days!)

but i am totally fine with not using it...

and... we'll just have to make sure to send a buncha diplomatic messages around in an attempt to form an anti aez alliance!

additionally is it considered bad manners to use aim instead of ingame messages? since ingame messages take ages to work out .. once you get friendly terms with someone is it possible to use messaging to communicate? or is that bad manners towards all the people not doing it?

[quantum_mechani]

namad said:

additionally is it considered bad manners to use aim instead of ingame messages? since ingame messages take ages to work out .. once you get friendly terms with someone is it possible to use messaging to communicate? or is that bad manners towards all the people not doing it?

Any game that doesn't specify what diplomatic channels to use is pretty much any thing goes.

[anticipatient]

The most common method for diplomacy is forum. I have used forum, email, aim and in-game diplo.

Usually I make first contact in-game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Juffos]

Could I play as C'tis?

[anticipatient]

By forum I mean PM via forum. In-thread diplomacy also happens a bit. Unless there are rules about it, talking is talking http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[anticipatient]

Yay, just one more player to go before we start it up http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[llamabeast]

I don't mean to be mean to my friend Aezeal, but if he plays Hinnom he will EAT YOU ALL.

I think probably if a more experienced player is going to play in a newbie game they should at least not play a rush nation, because they'll end up knocking some newbies out straight away.

I'd recommend Marverni. Or Aezeal, you could just join a non-newbie game.

[coreyh2]

I'm interested in playing Ulm if there is still room. I've just started playing so don't expect brilliant strategy.

[Whsiker_Biscuit]

Ok! We're full up! I'll update the OP shortly, everyone start thinking about your pretender (and our 9 man dogpile on Aez)

[Whsiker_Biscuit]

and sorry to Coreyhd and rtyffg for not updating fast enough http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[WingedDog]

And what's the game's name?

[GrudgeBringer]

this realy is a newbie game...Congrats, you did a good job!!!

Now to AEZ, Hinnom really is an aezzzz kicker (sorry about the pun) and if everyone is ok I am ok with it.

I just lasted 19 turns on my first MP and 8 of them I was dead but would not quit.

If its all of us agianst him, bring it on.

But I would like to be around long enough to make mistakes and be able to recover from them and learn because the other guys are as new as I am and maybe won't see the mistake.

Thats it folks...I will say no more about it one way or the other (besides I am playin a nation that I have never even looked at so I have no delusions of where I am going to end up)!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Whsiker_Biscuit]

Yeah, I'm hoping he's willing to take it easy on everyone, as I'd like to learn from my mistakes before dying.

I'll talk to llama about setting up the game soon (after work, hopefully). As for a name...lemme think.

[anticipatient]

We don't need to go all against him http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif If you guys need advice, the IRC chat is a good place to talk about it. Find a link in the sticky under the main dominions folder of the forum http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[anticipatient]

Maybe aez could bow out to let Coreyh play. I've only played a handful of multiplayer games (and have hardly finished one:) and I almost feel guilty being here http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[anticipatient]

Let's get the game started up so we can upload our pretenders.

[anticipatient]

Oh whsiker, you might want to decide yes or no on CB before you start the game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Whsiker_Biscuit]

Any nays on CB? No reason not to use it if everyone is on board. I'll PM llama and ask him to walk me through setting the game up.

Also, I figure any diplomatic channel you want to use is fair game.

[Aezeal]

Well I've played in some games (7-ish?).. but last 2 had to be ended due to vacation, and never had much succes.

I'd not mind looking for another game cus llama does have a point (though my SP hinnom went abysmal)

I'd not mind being given a random nation either though...
if I'm given a random nation I'd need to know asap so I can look into it (I really only know Niefel and TC a bit as EA.. and giving me Niefel wouldn't be a good idea I think cus I have had more practice with them and I can get a good early game with them)

ow and I didn't like TC very much so plz a random nation but not TC or Niefel..

or just kick me out and I look for another game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

As I said no experience with CBM here.. so would make me more of a newb too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Whsiker_Biscuit]

you're fine Aezeal, no worries.

[Pelthin]

I say let Aez stay, just put him as far away from me as possible. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif haha (just kidding)

[Aezeal]

well no.. while I disagree with llama that I'm anything near a good player.. playing the race considered most powerdfull might be over doing it a little..

give me Yomi.. I'll need a day to look into them before I can send a pretender though.. if you need to start ASAP I'll just play Hinnom and eat you all http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[GrudgeBringer]

I have CB Complete 1.3 Is that the one your talking about?

Also I have Worthy Heroes Enabled...do I need to turn that off?

[Aezeal]

The host should add all mods needed to the original post

[Whsiker_Biscuit]

I will once we're decided. Sorry I have to do these quick little posts...being stealthy at work!

[anticipatient]

CB complete 1.3 and Worthy Heroes should be plenty, although hosting with both is redundant, I think.. I believe WH is included in CB complete.

Anyyyyyyway, you don't even need to enable them when you PLAY the game. You just have to have them installed. The only thing you have to MAKE SURE OF when playing a conceptual(ly) balance(d) game is that CB is ENABLED when you CREATE YOUR PRETENDER.

Otherwise there's a very good chance that when the game starts, it will say you are a cheater and give you an archmage with no extra magic and totally neutral scales, which you don't really want http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[anticipatient]

Oh, whsiker, I have a suggestion to make. You are doing a lovely job as host, moderator, administrator, except you should learn to feel comfortable making decisions http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Just say, "yea CB!" Or even, "nae CB!" Just not both, because then we'll be back where we started. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I'm worried I might accidentally delete my pretender before the game starts ;D

[llamabeast]

Indeed, as the game admin you are all-powerful. Just make arbitrary decisions! And cackle a lot.

[Aezeal]

So I'm playing yomi then? But we need to decide on CBM fast or I can't look into pretender creation since CBM also influences that...

So plz ASAP tell me which mods and upload and tell me which nation I'll be playing and give me a day or so to look into it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

looking forward to playing

[GrudgeBringer]

yeah, either way is fine but I need to redo my pretender...(SIGH)

WHY do I need to redo my pretender (besides being called a cheater and getting something stupid instead)?

Since we are all new and havn't played with it, what is different that we need to know that would affect pretender creation?

[namad]

some of the pretenders are too useless .. or too automatically the only reasonable choice...
CBmod just adds a few points of cost here and subtracts a few there to try and even this out.... generally any tactic that is valid in one is valid in another.. it's just CBmod tries to make more choices of chasis reasonable choices instead of some being fairly unreasonable...


really i don't care one way or the other ... yeah... just be in charge and decide... add it to the first post.. post that you added it to the first post at the end... and give me 24h and i'll have it uploaded (also it'll have to have a name and exist on llamaserver)

[Aezeal]

please please please let me know the final verdict on my nation so I can look into CBM + that nation at least http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Whsiker_Biscuit]

CBM is a yes.

Aez, I don't care if you play Hinnom. You tell us.

[Aezeal]

Hmmm well I'll go for a challenge and try Yomi.. I'll promise not to cry if I loose http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[GrudgeBringer]

Ok CBM is a GO....

I need a time when I can set up my new pretender when all the mods are in place.

Just post it and i'll 'get er done'!!!

[GrudgeBringer]

Also, a second point...

Does the complete CBM 1.3 have Worthy Heroes included in it.

As I understand it (and I am not sure) but I THINK there is one aspect of WH that is REAL important to me.

(geeeez, I hate to give it away but will if everyone thinks I should, you guys prob know it better than me anyway)

[Whsiker_Biscuit]

Can anyone link me to CBM 1.3? I can only seem to find 1.1

I'm hoping we'll have the game up and be able to start submitting pretenders (well, yours are pretenders) tonight.

Any other details I'm overlooking?

[Aezeal]

the thread with CBM 1.3 was high up in the list earlier today it should be easily seen in the mods thread

[anticipatient]

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/download.php?Number=624209

There's the link for the actual download.

[Whsiker_Biscuit]

Ok, got it. And to all those keeping score at home, yes, I'm a moron for not finding it sooner.

[GrudgeBringer]

Not trying to nag but does the Cbm 1.3 have Worthy Heroes?

I need to know because if it does I may need to change my nation....

Thank You......

[quantum_mechani]

It has worthy heroes.

[Whsiker_Biscuit]

Ok. No more race changing, you damn nancies. I'll be out the remainder of the night, but will check in the morning when (hopefully) llama will have the game up.

[anticipatient]

What is the name of this game going to be?

Can it be Damn Nancies?

Please?

Pretty . . please? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Aezeal]

yeah let me know which name it'll be on llama cus my pretender is ready

[GrudgeBringer]

well, THIS damn Nancie needs to know if I was allowed to change from R'yleh to Helheim.

I picked R'yleh before we decided on CBM, and let you know in the post above that iF we decided to do that I would want to choose a different nation.

So while I understand you have had a lot to do and appreciate your hard work I would like to have a nation that can take advantage of a mod we decided on AFTER we picked our nations.

But I will live with whatever you decide as this is just a learning expieriance and I have never played either nation anyway and have no hopes of winning this.

( I just want to last 30 turns, thats 11 more than last time) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/Peace.gif

[WingedDog]

My pretender is ready as well and I'm eager to start - the weather is pretty bad and I have nothing much to do...

[Aezeal]

if you change from a water to a land nation how is the "balance" then not too much land and to few water nations?

[llamabeast]

Aha, my eagle eye just spotted the fact that Mr Biscuit has in fact posted the game name in the first post. Sneaky. Okay, the game is now ready for people to upload their pretenders. If you're not sure how, take a look in my FAQ.

[llamabeast]

Oh, the game name in question is "Jotunland".

[Whsiker_Biscuit]

uploaded!

[Aezeal]

Can you change the thread name so it starts with Jotunland?

[GrudgeBringer]

Am I making R'yleh Pretender or a Helheim Pretender?

[Whsiker_Biscuit]

helheim.

[anticipatient]

Grudge, if you haven't designed yet, Helheim is a pretty great bless nation http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[GrudgeBringer]

I did already and did a bless I learned on IRC channel. Even though I have I think a pretty good setup I have never even looked at this nation.

So I will be blundering thru the game mostly!!!

Thanks though I appreciate the help, and anything else you can tell me will be helpful....

[anticipatient]

Just hire a bunch of helhirdings http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[WingedDog]

So... We're all set up and ready to go!

[Aezeal]

double blessed heims are not that hard to play really http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[llamabeast]

Game started! Have fun all!

[CyborgMoses]

Method for Helheim:

1. Build sacred troops
2. Script to "kill everything"
3. Repeat

[anticipatient]

Game on! . . . I have no ideaaaaaaa what I'm doing with Kailasa http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Whsiker_Biscuit]

I feel screwed.

[Pelthin]

Why is that Mr. Biscuit with whiskers?

[Aezeal]

ehm... I'm the one playing yomi

(see I have most provinces though.. it's nice when there is an EMPTY province for your lone scout to capture http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif)

why are there empty provinces btw?

[Whsiker_Biscuit]

Why, because I forgot to do something important.

[majuva68]

What did you forget?

[GrudgeBringer]

Sounds like a PD mind lapse to me...you should lose 1 Whisker for that sir!!

[namad]

empty provinces on a map sounds like a bug or something... but maybe there is only that one i haven't seen any at least

[Whsiker_Biscuit]

One whisker down!

(forgot to direct my research for two turns.../facepalm)

[Pelthin]

I want empty provinces for my scout to capture. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Lucky you Aez. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[WingedDog]

I want empty provinces too, around me mostly heavy cavalry and cataphract provinces, giving me a challenge...

[GrudgeBringer]

I (sigh) am on an island and have no provinces to capture...

[WingedDog]

Um, guys, I'm a newb and this is my first MP game, so when it was time to choose rules and starting settings I didn't ask anything due to lack of experience. I've been browsing this forum for the past few days and have found that the major exploit is engaging battle with a single mage, using the Mist of Deception spell and retreating afterwards. The spell is bugged and it's effect continues even when if the caster has escaped, massacring enemy or making him to retreat. This way a single mage with the cost of 2 air gems defeits the entire army. Stopping this tactic is nearly impossible even for experienced player, not telling about newbs. (If I said something wrong - correct me.)
I don't want game to be spoiled by something like this, and since the game had only just begun - my request is to forbid players to script the 'retreat' order for the caster of this spell. As I saw, most of the civilized games have restriction for this spell one way or another, or played on Twan's Mist of Deception replacement mod.
Another one often banned exploit is "Overfilling enemy lab" - sending magic items to enemy to make him lose his own items. So maybe we should forbid this one too?
Please tell your opinions and/or suggestions.

[Aezeal]

I do hope all exploits are banned in this game, I consider it standard practice really

[namad]

sounds reasonable... the rule of "all exploits are banned" is a bit vague since what counts as an exploit is probably debatable... but i'd reckon all exploits which ever get listed in this thread are banned sounds reasonable?

brainstorm a few more right now ?
i don't really know any myself http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Aezeal]

Im not the boss here

[GrudgeBringer]

LOL, If I ever use an exploit I promise you it will be because I stumbled on it and don't have any idea what I'm doing anyway...

I would probably wipe my own army out.

This is a NOOB game, I'm pretty sure at our level we shouldn't even know about the exploits, and if we do we read it somewhare where it was said that it was an exploit.

[anticipatient]

I dont think we really need to worry bout exploits. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Aezeal]

no I worry more about my nation http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[WingedDog]

Guys, could you explain please: there are 5 crown icons scattered around the map, what do they mean?

[WingedDog]

I've already send a PM to administrator of this game Whisker_Buiscuit that I'm going offline until sunday 11:00 - 13:00 GMT. I've already made my move this turn (7th) and likely I won't make it to the deadline of turn 8. So it is his desicion whether to wait for me or not, though I would prefer to make my move myself as it seems to be very critical to me... I'm very sorry anyway... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[namad]

i think those crowns are suposed to be VP locations except that VP's have been turned off so they are now meaningless? or maybe i'm wrong...

[Aezeal]

Ehm Caelum, my advice (newbie game right) is to expand faster early in the game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[anticipatient]

Heh heh heh.. I am officially screwed http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[CyborgMoses]

Well, at least it's an amusing screwed!

[namad]

why are you screwd? why is it amusing? gossip pls!

[anticipatient]

oh, just used the wrong troops, started a war, and lost my pretender (weak SC chassis but fun http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif. No regrets!

[anticipatient]

Oh, and I MAY survive the war. I might not be out of it yet, I just have an extremely slim chance of victory. Rapidly approaching zero, really.

[WingedDog]

Did our noble administrator Whsiker_Biscuit abandon us? Agartha didn't move for the last few turns...

[namad]

i have water gems to trade

i need astral gems or nature gems mostly PM me if you wish to trade gems

[namad]

looking at the score graphs and haven't submitted my turns near the deadline a few times in a row i have to ask...

has argatha been stale'ing? twice in a row? and isn't argatha the admin?... it seems unlikely they'd have no change in army size or provinces two turns in a row ... AND also submit their turn RIGHT before the deadline

[WingedDog]

Yep, exactly my point. The administrator should watch over the game till the end, even if he gives up (and, according graphs, I think he did). My suggestion: if he doesn't show up next turn we should PM Llamabeast about assigning one of us as the administrator. The new administrator will set Agartha to AI afterwards.

[Aezeal]

we need an administrator since I'm now asking for a delay of 24 hours (eveningshift, need to stay the night in the hospital)

PS agartha staled 4 turns, you can see it in llamaserver data

I'll message Llamabeast now

[namad]

nevermind seems army size has gone up again... maybe they aren't stale'ing... sorry...

[quantum_mechani]

Could be an event.

[WingedDog]

llamaserver.net -> Jotunland -> Admin options -> Show staling data
You can see he staled last 5 turns, so we need another administrator.

[Aezeal]

I'm new admin already (have been for 12 hours)..

I'm on this (mostly on giving myself a delay and unlimited cash though)

[namad]

so for his past turn he was set to AI and thats why he began recruiting more troops?... man FIVE STALES and we didn't notice... whoever is next to them is lucky http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[namad]

I have a large number of water gems to trade, i need astral gems! please contact me!

[namad]

whoa just checked the score graphs! who is absorbing kalissa so rapidly? how come no one has posted about it?

[CyborgMoses]

Well, nobody seems to have increased their scores in proportion to Kailasa's decreases, so the perpetrator is either multiple nations tearing Kailasa to shreds or a whole lot of barbarian hordes.

[Aezeal]

hmmm I need someone who borders Fomoria and wants to help me combat them. Fomoria is invading me. They are a dangerous race and I think it's other neighbours would be helped if they help me eliminate him.

[namad]

if argatha is AI how come they are still the last one to submit their turn?

[namad]

seriously everyone but argatha has submitted their turn? and argatha is ai? does this mean the ai is set to only submit there turn right at the deadline? wouldn't it make more sense for AI to submit their turns early so we didn't have to wait 12hours extra for them?

it seems like the admin has yet to set them ai? or find replacement? and they are going to stale a 7th time? or is this now fixed?

[WingedDog]

Aezeal

Excuse me, but I don't see your activity as the administrator. Agartha is still not set to AI, you wanted to make a delay for yourself, but you staled. And now I'm nervous becouse I need to talk to admin about possible delay for myself on turn number 14 and I don't want to end up stale'ing again...

[GrudgeBringer]

we seem to have a game that is somewhat helter skelter right now.

Nobody's fault as most of us are new and this is a good learning experiance for all of us to watch more closely.

However, while I am one to fight to the last dog (or Giant as it seems)I also am not real thrilled that we have a admin that has staled 5 turns (making it easy for one player), and another player with some exp but staled anyway. I would suggest that we bag this game and start it agian with the same basic core of people and maybe a couple of reliable folks that have the time and desire to play. (Bwaha is one that like to play lots of games)

Sometimes life gets in the way...

That being said ..Kalisa go ahead and attck my force if you win we will ally, if you lose You are hurt bad.

One battle for it all!!!

IF we don't get this together quickly I will just be going thru the motions as it seems the game is unbalanced now.

Any other thoughts that will change my mind?

[WingedDog]

Well, I do not see any reason to finish the game. All we need is another administrator. Agartha is dead anyway, so person who kills it doesn't get much bonuses, just the same as killing independents.
As for stale'ing - I think there are the same situations in just every game. Everybody has some reasons from time to time to be offline, just look at the "sub wanted" topics in this forum. Me and Aezeal did stale for one turn each becouse we had obstacles not allowing us to make our moves in 24 hours. It is an administrator's duty to listen to player's requests and to react, so a normal administrator would likely move a deadline as we asked and we wouldn't skip our turns.

So, as I said, all we need is a new administrator.

[CyborgMoses]

Let it be known that the honorless dogs of Arcoscephale have broken their peace treaty with the nation of Fomoria. A mere two months after agreeing to our offer of alliance, they struck at our lands in a surprise betrayal. Should any wish to punish this infamy, they will have the friendship of the giants of Fomoria.

[Aezeal]

no need to restart, I don't know why it didn't delay the last turn.. I saw a message it was all good. Wasn't to much of a problem for me really. I don't know if I can AI agratha that easily though but I'll try.

[namad]

we could get someone to sub for argatha if you don't want to AI them... could probably find someone willing to take it on as a challenge

[namad]

looks like argatha has been succesfully set to ai

[anticipatient]

I am going to be out of town for about 24 hours this weekend (JUST enough to get a stale). I hope you don't mind giving me a 36 hour extension. I will, of course, return and send my turn ASAP when I am back.

If that's not okay, I'll take the stale. Thanks :_)

[anticipatient]

Actually, yeah, don't delay this game for me anyway, esp since nobody knows where the host is http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif I'm doomed anyway. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Aezeal]

Can everyone just please make normal posts about what delays they do or do not want? WTF am I supposed to do witht the 2 messages above and/or a line in a whole post a delay is needed in turn 14.

PM me when delay and how long!!

I'll not make the game host from saturday on sunday ok?

[Aezeal]

I'm asthonised to see how bad my whole army and ALL mages I had (except my pretender) did against fomoria..

8 mages spamming skellies, archers and some spearmen and undead fodded... all died killing only a fraction of his army.

[Aezeal]

I guess the game will host now.. so how long till I can let the game host again? 24 hours I will start with

[Aezeal]

Hosting postponed for Jotunland by 24 hours. The game will now host at 22:55 GMT on Sunday August 3rd.
Please note that this information will not be updated on the game status page for a few minutes.

[CyborgMoses]

Well, your pretender certainly made up for it, Aezeal; 30-ish protection, fear, and awe are a mean combination... it doesn't look like either of us can beat the other's defense. I should totally get points for making it to your stronghold, though.

[Aezeal]

ow he will have more fear next turn btw, 2 turns ago I got a shield from an event and he picked it up while in town

getting points for making it to my stronghold: no
You had a lot of giants already though It seemed like much more than I've been able to spend so far.

[CyborgMoses]

There is a fear-causing shield?

[Aezeal]

apperantly, its D/F

[CyborgMoses]

Haha, what the heck, Aezeal? You propose that we make peace, then when I send you a draft of the treaty, you attack me? How does this make sense?

[Aezeal]

ehm I just kicked you out of my capitol and I send that turn in right away saturday morning and your message came later and I was in my parents house this weekend. Peace could be an option now.

[Aezeal]

by which I mean I'll see my turn tonight and then reply, I propose you wait till then before you do anything rash.

[CyborgMoses]

Aezeal, Defender of the Oni has attacked us by surprise in the middle of the negotiations he proposed, followed by a message refusing our offered terms and announcing his intention to drive us into the sea. It seems, however, that he lacks the ability to back up his words, as he was sorely wounded and forced to flee the field by our province defense.

In a separate matter, the nation of Fomoria is looking to sell water gems to finance our defense against Arcoscephale and Yomi. Any nation interested in aiding us will surely be rewarded.

[Aezeal]

The wound was already there... my god will be back http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[CyborgMoses]

The mighty Aezeal did, indeed, return to the lands claimed by Fomoria... and he was slain ignominiously after inflicting a mere nine casualties (not counting province defense.)

[GrudgeBringer]

ooops

[Aezeal]

yeah well just kill me and get it over with.. yomi sucks severely http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[CyborgMoses]

Well, if you insist!

[WingedDog]

I've seen both battles of Azeal vs Fomorians and it was remarcable. The name of Azeal, The Destroyer of Giants will be written in the annals of arcoscephale and stories of his deeds would be told to childred before sleep. Alas, not for long, as nothing can stop fomorians now, and after those uncivilised half-goats capture arcoscephale capital they wouldn't find much use for the scripts other then toilet paper...

[CyborgMoses]

After we do what, now? We haven't even attacked any of the provinces that your cowardly sneak attackers stole from us, and your god is camped out right next to our capital! On the other hand, it is true that Arcoscephalian writings, especially their peace treaties, are worthy only of wiping one's behind with...

[namad]

anyone selling dwarven hammers yet?

[CyborgMoses]

Poor, helpless Arcoscephale is now laying siege to our capital city. Their weak and harmless troops slaughtered our 50 points of province defense and forced our mages, who were evilly protecting their homeland, to flee. If any nation should care to assist us in our civilians' vicious bullying of Arcoscephale's armed forces, or possibly trade money, air gems, or death gems for our surplus of water gems, they would earn the gratitude of our vile citizens, who treacherously attacked Arcoscephale's weapons with their faces.

[Aezeal]

that from the #(#(#)#)@ who is sieging me and just killed most of my troops and mages

[CyborgMoses]

Fomorians are large; we needed some leg room.

[anticipatient]

I would like to point out, publicly, that majuva68 has threatened (and is following through with said threat) that were I to make war on him in the game, Freshmeat, he would make war on me in all games.

I encourage all of you to review Sheap's rules of conduct.

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=d3maars&Number=575534

Please discourage majuva68 from carrying issues from one game into other games.

[Aezeal]

well... 2 bad for you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

who is Sheap anyway http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[CyborgMoses]

Using events in one game to justify actions in another because you are playing against nations run by the same person is seriously disruptive. For instance, if one were in a winning position in one game and a losing position in another, one could trade resources to another nation in game one and have a nation run by the same player in game two trade resources to your embattled nation there; this would be totally unfair to the other players in game two. Basically, sharing anything between games, including grudges against nations which happen to be run by the same player, is very disruptive and makes the game less fun.

[namad]

anyone selling dwarven hammers?

[majuva68]

My laptop is K.O, the hardisk is breaking. I can't do nothing. Anticipatient, you attack me without respect our NAP, this is the reason we are in war in all games. I can't connect in 15 days, when i'll come back we disscuss this. I can say a lot of things but you attack me before NAP is broken. Who are best ?. Put me in A.I, I can't search a sub

[Aezeal]

I'm going AI.. can't seem to win a single battle against fomoria and I've not got much troops left and no capitol either.

I'll message the admin PW to someone

Was nice playing but one advice: avoid yomi like the plague in MP

[GrudgeBringer]

Ok so we lost Mauva....and now our Admin Azeal (who was pretty much done anyway) but what now of the game?:confused:

[CyborgMoses]

Well, I've never run a game before, but I guess I could take a shot at being admin if nobody else wants to volunteer.

[namad]

as long as we get them both set to ai instead of stale'ing the game will be totally fine...

[chrispedersen]

50 pt PD???

Damn I hope that was a random event = )

Hey are any of the dropped positions playable? I might sub if so.

[anticipatient]

chrispedersen, if you take over majuva's turn quickly, it's playable. i just beat him up a little bit, but he's still stronger than me overall, I think.

[GrudgeBringer]

Did he send me the password only or to everyone....I DO NOT want to admin as my computer skills are somewhat..ahhhhhh...challenged!!:doh:

[chrispedersen]

chrispedersen, if you take over majuva's turn quickly, it's playable. i just beat him up a little bit, but he's still stronger than me overall, I think.

OK. I'm willing to do so.
Llama typically wants the game admin to do so.

I will email aezeal.. but is anyone else the game admin?

[namad]

with the game admin quitting i think we are looking for volunteers who know how to admin...

majuvau is doing quite well on the score graphs finding a sub for him would be great... even yomi/aezeal wasn't doing that bad it doesn't seem..

[chrispedersen]

I've admin'd, once. I don't mind doing it again.
Hopin' tho that someone is reading this so we (I?) don't miss a turn.

[namad]

it seems pretty likely sauromantia will stale once now... but even stale'ing once they are still in a strong enough position to sub in... i wonder if we need help from llama himself? or if aezeal is reading this and can pass along admin title himself somehow?

[WingedDog]

I could administrate, since it is not difficult for me to check forum often for requests.

[llamabeast]

Thankyou all for being so forthcoming with volunteering to admin, it's appreciated. CyborgMoses was first up, so I'll send the password to him.

[WingedDog]

Was the Sauromatian turn file redirected to chrispedersen's e-mail?

[chrispedersen]

Llama has graciously offered to help me get a newbie play by email game going. I'm hoping for people with less than 5 MP games played, or veterans willing to take it easy and show people the ropes (before massacring them).

Early Age
version 3.17
Cradle of Dominions Map
Mods: CBM 1.3
8-10 players
game settings: default

We're currently waiting on llama to do us the awesome service of making the game. It's going to be called 'Jotunland'.

I'll try to cackle more.

Whisker Biscuit - Agartha
WingedDog - Aroscephale
ArkkiMeisseli - Caelum
Anticipatient - Kailasa
mujava68 - Sauromatia
Pelthin - Ermor
Aezeal - Hinnom
CyborgMoses - Formoria
Namad - Nieflhelm
GrudgeBringer -Helheim



Anyone have the CBM 1_3 mod? Links are broken

[WingedDog]

Here it is. See the attached file.

[CyborgMoses]

50 pt PD???

Damn I hope that was a random event = )


Haha, yeah, I don't have the cash to buy that kind of thing.

[chrispedersen]

Bleh!
I understand why he quit. After looking at the position, I don't wish to play it.

I have uploaded a turn, and will post a few more, whilst another substitute can be arranged.

[WingedDog]

That bad, huh?

[namad]

wow looking at teh score graphs it didn't look so bad... guess i was wrong

[Aezeal]

hmmmm one thing in favor of sauromatia... he was next to me and I'm gone AI now... so he should be able to expand rapidly in that direction

[CyborgMoses]

The traitorous filth of Arcoscephale have conquered the Fomorian homeland, taking only a handful of casualties as their irresistable horde of Wind Riders slaughtered everything we had to throw at them. Our only small victory was that our summoned shades killed a few of the equinophiles as we attempted to flee the field; all of our troops and mages were cut down. Again, we beg for aid from any nation with a desire to avoid Arcoscephale's grip of death.

[Pretorian]

I would like to sub Sauromatia in this game. Please redirect their turns to my email.

[CyborgMoses]

I would like to sub Sauromatia in this game. Please redirect their turns to my email.

I can't seem to figure out where e-mail addresses are in the new profiles. Would you please send me a message with your address?

[CyborgMoses]

chrispedersen, have you changed your mind about supplying a few turns for Sauromatia?

[CyborgMoses]

Never mind, I see that you haven't. Ha ha, look at me getting all worried.

[Pretorian]

I can't seem to figure out where e-mail addresses are in the new profiles. Would you please send me a message with your address?
already sent.

[CyborgMoses]

Well, if by "already" you mean "now", I suppose so! Email address for Sauromatia has been changed.

[namad]

anyone care to sell me a dwarven hammer or death gems? or earth gems? price can be in gems or gold or other...

[namad]

did the new sauromantia player get setup properly? because he has not played his turn and he has like what? 20? 80minutes to do it?

we can't really let sauromantia stale or the sub isn't gonna be wanting them?...


dang why is it so hard to keep players playing! two ai's and possibly a 3rd so early in the game... and from nations that weren't even dead

[GrudgeBringer]

Pretorian, sent me a PM on our relations so he is active in pursuing this I believe.:confused:

[namad]

yeah except check


http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=Jotunland&action=showstales


he just staled...


you probably didn't give him enough time.. this was his FIRST TURN and he lost like 60% of the time just on the fact he didn't even have the trn file... hell he still might not even have the trn file for turn 28


i recommend you extend turn28 by a day or two ... or disable quickhost we need to make sure sauromantia gets to take this turn... (if no sub is willing to play them then AI is better than endless stales)

[namad]

niefelheim would like to mention that we have access to cons4(eventually more) and can forge a wide variety of items

if anyone is interested in some specific items please PM me and we can work out a fair price

[CyborgMoses]

Uh, this last turn was chrispedersen's. The new turn should have gone to Pretorian.

[chrispedersen]

I submitted 2 turns for Sauromatia, both timely. The account was switched shortly after the second turn. I sent two emails to the new person.

So, no, I am not responsible for any stales.

Best wishes.

[namad]

sorry chris i didn't mean to accuse you... i was just indicating that until whoever is currently doing the turns is brought up to speed we need to delay the game.. and if no one ever does another turn for sauromantia we need them set AI...

i have a feeling the newest player simply didn't get enough of a chance because of the transition? if the nation is really so undesirable then AI is certainly a better choice than endless stales

[Pretorian]

Sorry, guys. I had a bad day yesterday.
In future I'll try to make turns in time.

[CyborgMoses]

Oh! My apologies, chrispedersen. I had thought that switching the e-mail would cause the next turn to go out to that address, leaving the current turn to the previous player; I must have been mistaken.

[namad]

Aren't we supposed to be on 48hour hosting cycle? cause we're so far into the game now? yet it seems with our new admin we are set on a 24hour cycle?

am i wrong? which cycle should we be on?

[Pretorian]

24hour cycle is more suitable.

[CyborgMoses]

Aren't we supposed to be on 48hour hosting cycle? cause we're so far into the game now? yet it seems with our new admin we are set on a 24hour cycle?

am i wrong? which cycle should we be on?

We have been on a 24-hour cycle all along, or at least, I have not changed it.

[namad]

ooops... my bad i guess i got confused...


with how forgetful i am it's a testament to how little of a life i have that i haven't staled yet :)

[GrudgeBringer]

I have met our new sub Pretorian and have tried to accomadate him.

He blasted into my area and came up with a plan tostay in my area for a length of time.

However kallisa my ally is the party he was going to attack and I had to tell him to leave my lands EXACTLY as he entered them and I would not attack or hold a grudge (no pun intended)agianst him as long as he made war on someone else.

You that have played with me before know that I am fiercely loyal to my allies and will go down with the ship if need be.

I hate to welcome our new sub with a War declaration but I declare war effective immediately.

We are about the same in all areas so it will be interesting.

I would appreciate those without an intrest in this conflict to let us settle this.:cold:

Respectfully,

Three Toed Pete, Prophet to the People of Helheim

[namad]

would anyone like to sell me some earth gems? i can pay in other types of gems or in gold

[Pretorian]

2GrudgeBringer:
It sounds loud!
But what do we have in reality: there are no troops of mine on the Helheim's territories. Only one territory (№55), (which I have inherited from my forerunner) might belong to that country, and I don't mind, if he brings it back. My forces entered only Kailasa's provinces.
And one more question: why did you capture upper province (№70) of your ally Kailassa? I didn't have enough troops last turn to do it myself.

Several month in a row GrudgeBringer told what my troops have to do and where they must go, and was changing his plans every half of an hour. At last I was tired of it, and I do as I planned from the begining. And I didn't climb into Helheim territories.

So war? War is good...

[GrudgeBringer]

I believe I have stated my case to you in privite with just an overlay on the forum.

I took more than one of my allies provinces with his permission in order to have a better permission to defend agianst you as an agressor.

You have not shown the courtesy that you seem to imply and YES, you have decided to do what you want in my teritory.

I will let this game rest on the next few turns, but don't let kalissa fool you..he is a strong player and has set many traps for the unsuspecting.

Also I think you may have a suprise in store for you.;)

However, there are never any hard feelings or carry over to another game...so good luck, we will both learn some things and If you win you will have HUGE territories to bask in!!

[Pretorian]

I repeat: these territories are not yours! Doesn't matter. I'll destroy both of you :))) ...if I can. :)
Nothing person.

[CyborgMoses]

Is anyone selling Dwarven Hammers at the moment? If so, then Fomoria would be interested in buying one.

[chrispedersen]

From my own perspective, a non agression treaty means you will take no actions to harm the person with whom you have a treaty.

So for example, If I am about to invade a territory - and you conquer it specifically to prevent it - you have violated the nap.

Territories 55, 70, 46 were all kailasa's when I invaded 55.
Words otherwise simply aren't the truth.

[CyborgMoses]

From my own perspective, a non agression treaty means you will take no actions to harm the person with whom you have a treaty.

So for example, If I am about to invade a territory - and you conquer it specifically to prevent it - you have violated the nap.

Territories 55, 70, 46 were all kailasa's when I invaded 55.
Words otherwise simply aren't the truth.

I have never heard of such an interpretation of the phrase "non-agression", for what it's worth. Attacking a third party hardly seems like an aggressive action.

[namad]

i think it's pretty common for people to do this... generally it makes you hate the person and want to go to war with them... but i don't believe it specifically breaks the NAP terms...

i think it's a pretty grey area... and i suppose if you wanted to avoid having it happen you'd have to PM someone before you invaded a 3rd party that was adjacent to both people...


i mean in another game i had someone teleport into a province that i was going to attack.. win the battle then rout me off as well... then claim well... we have a nap and i was here first so i'm keeping it... it makes you hate them but i don't think it counts as an outright lie... unless maybe you specifically ask them not too


i think generally a nap has the terms you agree upon plus no attacking... any additional terms about neutral provinces probably just have to be included as separate terms?


i've also discussed specifically which independents each party would claim and then had the other person just take the ones he promised to me and say... well i didn't attack you so you shouldn't complain even though we spent ages specifically discussing which independents each party would take...

[CyborgMoses]

The Fomorian nation is struggling to come up with the funds necessary to survive. We are now selling all the gems we can for 15 gold or best offer. We are not in possession of any astral pearls, but all other varieties are up for grabs.

[namad]

is llamaserver down or something? two of my emails from today weren't accepted (no acknowledgement no error)

[GrudgeBringer]

LLama is out of town until the 26th of August...there is a post on that

[namad]

a) would anyone like to sub for me? there is a solid chance of winning the game if you do b) can we switch to 48hour cycle otherwise? now that everyone has declared war on me all at the same time i need a lot more time to plan my turns and if the cycle doesn't increase and i don't get a sub i'll just have to go ai


i may be overreacting but i'm pretty drunk and I'm nearly so upset that i am contemplating quitting all the games i am in simultaneously and never playing again...

i think i am mostly mad at myself for not listening to the intuition that diplomacy was pointless in this game and should never be attempted


but yeah seriously now that everyone is at war with me I am going to require 48hour cycling to even consider continuing to play

[WingedDog]

2 namad
I hope you reconsider your behavior when you sober.

I support the idea of 48h turns.

[chrispedersen]

I'd offer to sub for you namad, but it would be bad for the community - why lose a player.

I doubt everyone is at war with you - I think kailasa and helheim are busy with sauromatia.

I hope they will bump it to 48 - but just remember its supposed to be fun. Think of the bragging rights if you win - all against one.....

[GrudgeBringer]

I think I speak for Kalissa as well as myself...We arn't and don't look to war with you. In fact you have been nothing but gracious to us so as far as I am concerned.You can concentrate on the others and don't worrry about your back door.:angel

[GrudgeBringer]

I don't want to lose a player....48 will be ok with me if he doesn't reconsider.

[namad]

well i calmed down after sleeping.. and i think i might be more of a blitz'er than a pbem'er... pbem... i just get waaaaaay too focused about stuff...

i don't even think i really enjoy the concept of finishing a game.... like I was going to try to make sauromantia wet himself with just two units... and even though i knew arco was going to backstab me i focused on poison immunity items instead of winged helmets for several turns just cause well i didn't really want to fight arco :) he has so many provinces even if i won a war with him it'd take too long and i'd get bored...

i should have taken arco's personal insult as the declaration of war it likely was... thats what i like about blitz's and small maps.... short game short fuses low number of provinces.. everyone knows what everyone is on about....

honestly i think i'm just still mostly mad at jazzepi, not wingeddog... what do you think would be better for the game? taking chris as a sub? or me finishing it up when I don't really give a damn about winning and i am just hoping to see the coolest looking battles i can?

[namad]

i haven't even really looked at my turn, due to disgust with myself... and the hosting is set for 6hours... not 30hours... so theres little chance me or chris will have a chance to do this turn on this time table?

[chrispedersen]

I'm paying attention to the thread -
But I'm a fairly picky player too namad - I substituted the sauromatia position only for a few turns, as I believed it has no long term viability.

I agree the turn should be switched to 48 - but in the interrim why not do the best you can - and of course if you really have no interest in playing the game.. I'll pick it up.

Best

[namad]

sauromantia had no chance to win the game (sorry sauromantia)

at this point either arco wins, niefelheim wins... or somehow arco and niefelheim destory eachother in a massive war and someone (helheim or sauro win)



or the admin fails to set this cycle to 48hours ... niefelheim stales and then arco probably just wins i reckon

[CyborgMoses]

Oi, see what happens when I dare to sleep for a while... hosting has been set to 36 hours, if that isn't enough then I'll extend it to 48, but I'd like to try and keep things going as quickly as possible, so let's give this a shot first.

PS: I'm not at war with you, Namad. Of course, I'm barely in the game at this point.

[namad]

i sent chris my turn but he probably needs the admin to change things over to his email?

[CyborgMoses]

Is there no e-mail entry on the new profiles? I just can't seem to find it. chrispedersen, if you could send me a private message with your email address, that would be great. I have delayed hosting by twelve hours to allow time to get the switchover taken care of; the game will now host at 01:02 GMT on Sunday August 24th, although I hope that the Niefelheim turn will be in before then.

[GrudgeBringer]

In these games are we required to honor an alliance if there is a sub or does it continue?:confused:

[CyborgMoses]

In these games are we required to honor an alliance if there is a sub or does it continue?:confused:

I would say that the alliance is with the nation, not the player, and thus such alliances continue. Of course, you aren't REQUIRED to honor an alliance anyway.

[namad]

i've informed chris of all my plans and prior dealings as best as i could very briefly..... so ideally the game can continue unchanged except for it will have his brain not mine...

if chris emails me his .2h before he is officially on-duty i can submit his turn that way...

i would hope chris would contact the players in the game i have told him about to reaffirm any deals i had with them... but honestly... like i said i'm in a buncha other guys and the stress was just getting to me but i'd like the game to not be ruined... me going ai would totally have shaken things up too much.... me playing in a foolish dramatic fashion wouldn't've been to great either


i hope i didn't cause anyone to suffer a lose of enjoyment... I'm diverting a lot of my dominions time to another pbem game now :)

[CyborgMoses]

Chrispedersen has not yet sent me his email address so that I can switch things over to him. Namad, if you would be willing to play this turn, that would be helpful.

[WingedDog]

Chrispederson was already a sub for Sauromatia, so you've got to already have he's e-mail.

[CyborgMoses]

Chrispederson was already a sub for Sauromatia, so you've got to already have he's e-mail.

I was not the admin at that time.

Namad has sent me chrispedersen's email, and I've put it in for Niefelheim. I have postponed hosting for a further eight hours. I will not postpone it again.

[chrispedersen]

Thanks Moses, that should be fine
(great handle)

I tried submitting it a few hours ago - wouldn't take it.
When I get back to dominions computer I'll upload it.
No delay should be necessary.

[GrudgeBringer]

I had a 10 turn alliance with Named and a 3 turn warning in the third turn of it.....just wanted to kake sure it was still in effect.

If we DON'T honor pacts made with the previous player it unbalances things as you probably have a weaker Defense on the side towards the ally.

Sooooo, whoever is taking over for Named we have a 7 turn alliance and a 3 turn warning after that.

Welcome to the Game!!!!!!:)

[chrispedersen]

Thank you.

Namad spoke very well of your alliance, and that he had planned on helping you with either kailasa or sauromatia.

He indicated which - I just don't have it in front of me at the moment.

Nief is in pretty bad situation at the moment, having lost 6-7 territories this turn.. and will lose another 6-7 next turn.

I will be able to turn it around, I think.. but it will be tough.

[chrispedersen]

You are being watched. Your armies are being watched. Your servents are being watched, your magic sites, your dancing girls.

Recall that this allows Arcosephale to know where everyone of your magic sites are. Will you ever know if those random events that happened - were just that.. random?

And of course, the eyes of god were what allowed him to attack with such deadly efficacy, removing 4 of Niefleheims best magic sites in one turn.

I do not know about you - but I don't like being watched. I suggest we blind this peeping tom - and I have the ability to do it, but not the means.

I will contribute 40 gems and a mage to do it, to the casting of 'Fate of Oedipus' - that leaves 40 gems. What say yea...

Is it worth 10 gems for four of you - to regain your privacy?

[WingedDog]

Alas, it seems Niefelheim is already way to strong for me, and gets even stronger with time. Many of his Niefel Jarls have a full set of artifacts and are able to slaughter my entire army, so best I can do is just to harass him by raiding random provinces with pegasii. Still, since time only works for him, I'm willing to fight till the end and hope for some mad luck.

[CyborgMoses]

Alas, it seems Niefelheim is already way to strong for me, and gets even stronger with time. Many of his Niefel Jarls have a full set of artifacts and are able to slaughter my entire army, so best I can do is just to harass him by raiding random provinces with pegasii. Still, since time only works for him, I'm willing to fight till the end and hope for some mad luck.

Ah, so this is like how I was supposedly going to raze your capital and slaughter your people when you attacked me during our peace treaty, right? I'm sure Niefelheim's giants are putting your pegasi in much distress when they dodge the flying horses' poop.

[chrispedersen]

Alas, it seems Niefelheim is already way to strong for me, and gets even stronger with time. Many of his Niefel Jarls have a full set of artifacts and are able to slaughter my entire army, so best I can do is just to harass him by raiding random provinces with pegasii. Still, since time only works for him, I'm willing to fight till the end and hope for some mad luck.

Lies. Show a screen (verified with a moderator) of me with an artifact, and I will resign.

I am quite confident in making this claim, as I am at Con-6.

[WingedDog]

Lies. Show a screen (verified with a moderator) of me with an artifact, and I will resign.

I am quite confident in making this claim, as I am at Con-6.

Oh, I didn't mean the unique ones.

[CyborgMoses]

Geez, WingedDog, how many skeptics do you need in my capital? Shouldn't you be spending your resources on the HORRIFYING MENACE of Niefelheim?

[WingedDog]

Naaaah, I think you are the most dangerous one. I'm pretty sure you are building nuclear weapon or nasty virus that would kill us all.

[CyborgMoses]

Naaaah, I think you are the most dangerous one. I'm pretty sure you are building nuclear weapon or nasty virus that would kill us all.

If I recall correctly, nukes are Construction 9, and since you killed all of my researchers a couple years back, I'm not getting there any time soon.