Pretenders Playtime: Pretenders playing in this thread!

[RadioGibbon]

Hello all,

In my eagerness to get involved in the MP scene I'll be administrating this game (hosted on llamaserver, courtesy of llamabeast) for new/inexperienced players. I've tried to make the conditions as simple as possible in order not to alarm, confuse or shock any potential players.

Details:
Server: LlamaServer (automated play-by-email)
Hosting interval: 24 hours moving to 48 hours in later stages.
Age: Early
Graphs: On
Settings: Default
Mods: None
Map: Cradle of Dominions
Players: 10-12

So please feel free to sign up with your preferred nation, and then we can move onto uploading pretenders.

Cheers

[RadioGibbon]

List of Players

1) RadioGibbon - Marverni
2) Pelthin - Hinnom
3) Executor - Lanka
4)
5) Coreyh2 - Ulm
6) Juffos - C'tis
7) Das123 - Ermor
8) Calahan - Atlantis
9) Rtyffg - Pangaea
10) James243 - Helheim
11) JimMorrison - Sauromatia
12) Grudge Bringer - Arcosephalae

[Pelthin]

I would love to play.

Hinnom, If I could.

[Executor]

Isn't Glory of the Gods a little too big for 12 player, but it sure sounds tempting,
I'd take Lanka if it's OK?

[RadioGibbon]

Hmmm, Glory of the Gods (MP) claims to have 227 Land and 47 Sea, which would come out at 22 or 23 provinces each, which does seem a little high (although on the other hand might provide time for players to totter around and learn to walk so to speak).

The Map doesn't have to be finalised until sign up is complete, and if the twelve slots fill up really quickly I might see if we can't get another couple of players or so interested.

[llamabeast]

I would also think that perhaps Glory is rather too large. For 10-12 players I'd recommend Cradle as a lovely and good-sized map.

[RadioGibbon]

Alrighty then. Map changed to Cradle of Dominions.

[Ossa]

I'd like to join as Mictlan.

[anticipatient]

I think I'll stay out of this game. I have a few going on, and I think I'd have too much of an edge in experience, although I'm still pretty new.

[coreyh2]

I'll play Ulm.

[Juffos]

I'd like to play as C'tis, please.

[das123]

I'm just in the final stages of being crushed in my first multiplayer game (Peccary) so would love to sign up again for another.

I tried Ermor in the last one and would like to try it again if possible.

[Calahan]

I'd like to join please if I may.

I'll take the token water nation since nobody else has yet. Don't know much about any of them, so will find out which one I prefer and get back to you.

(Edit) Think I'll give Atlantis a bash.

[rtyffg]

I'd like to join as Pangaea.

[James243]

I'd love to be involved. Helheim please!

[Whsiker_Biscuit]

I'll join as Agartha

[RadioGibbon]

I was thinking that (unless there any objections) we'll wait another 24 hours to see if the last place gets taken and if it doesn't then we'll start with 11 players?

[das123]

Sounds good http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Calahan]

I've decided to go Atlantis. (Just in case the edit of my previous post went un-noticed)

[RadioGibbon]

It did. I've updated the list now.

[GrudgeBringer]

I'll take Arco if there is a spot left....

[James243]

Nice work Grudgebringer...so now we're full?

[RadioGibbon]

Yep. I'll change the thread title as soon as the game is setup and we can upload pretenders then. No reason not to be working them out now though (I know I am...)

[James243]

Thanks for putting all of this together RadioGibbon - really appreciate it.

[Whsiker_Biscuit]

Awwww yeah....

[James243]

Got my pretender...where do I send it?

[llamabeast]

Okay guys, you can now upload your pretenders (see my FAQ if you're not sure how). The game name is "Playtime".

[RadioGibbon]

Thanks Llamabeast, much appreciate your hosting this.

[RadioGibbon]

I think I'll start the game with 11 players tomorrow morning if the final pretender hasn't been uploaded.

[llamabeast]

I recommend PMing him if you haven't already. Sometimes people just haven't been paying attention.

By the way, don't start the game until I say it's okay. As a result of work on the LlamaServer you now have the option of starting the game, but because of the incompleteness of the work, if you start it it won't work properly.

[RadioGibbon]

Yep, I've PM'd him,

and thanks for the warning about starting the game, I would have just gone blundering in.

[GrudgeBringer]

Are we about ready to start?

Just trying to get a timeline.

Thanks

[James243]

Sounds like llamaserver is being updated - I'd say a few days at least.

[llamabeast]

No no, I am working on it maniacally at the moment, but it is still working in the meantime.

RadioGibbon - PM me when you want to start. It wouldn't have been unreasonably to go blundering in with the "start game" option in fact. I'd forgotten it was visible in fact. Yours was the first game for which it was visible, and will be the last for which it doesn't work.

[llamabeast]

Okay, the game is all ready to go, and the "Start game" button should work now. However, Ermor appears to have made a mistake with his pretender - I think he must have had some mod enabled (probably the Conceptual Balance mod) when he sent his pretender in.

So, Ermor (sorry, Das123 apparently) - could you remake and resend your pretender please? When you've done so let RadioGibbon know and he can start the game.

[das123]

Oops. File rebuilt and sent.

[das123]

I'm getting an error message saying the Ermor is already taken when I tried to upload. Any other ideas?

[llamabeast]

Oh, weird. Are you using the same e-mail address?

I'll remove Ermor anyway.

[llamabeast]

Removed. You should definitely be able to upload now.

[das123]

Ah. It was because I sent it from my work email address. Should be OK now.

[RadioGibbon]

Alright then, lets get this show on the road. You should all be getting your first turns in a few minutes.

[Executor]

WooHoo!
May the best nation win, and by best nation I mean Lanka!

[das123]

Has the game started yet? I haven't received an email with turn info yet.

[llamabeast]

Heh, bug, sorry. Still a few little flaws to iron out following a large number of changes in the server lately. It turns out the "Start game" admin option does not, in fact, cause it to start.

Anyway, this is all very helpful for the debugging. Game started now.

[RadioGibbon]

Heh. I would have posted something after telling everyone I'd started the game that in fact it hadn't started, but the forums seemed to be down.

Anyway, I imagine I have a turn to go do.

[James243]

Is it possible to send an email message to Agartha and Arcoscephale? Don't want them staling their first turn, and they may not realise the game has started. I'm IM'ed them, but you only get those if you check the site, and if you checked the site then you probably checked here anyway. Maybe we should delay the first hosting? I think patience is much better than people missing their early turns, and infinitely better than having a couple of AIs early on...

[das123]

I think that the admin has the email addresses so that would be a good idea. There are less than eight hours now before the turn is missed. Perhaps another 24 hours would be an idea.

[das123]

I've been playing a single player game on the map just to get used to it. It says that provinces with asterisks have higher level magic sites. Is this the case? In my game they are worse than the other provinces.

[GrudgeBringer]

This is Arco....I have turned in my pretender but have not received a turn yet.

We are on llamaserver correct? I am in 3 games and all on llamaserver and never missed a turn yet.

My e-mail is sfyke[ at ]kc[ dot ]rr[ dot ]com

Edit by llamabeast: Munged address to prevent harvesting by spambots.

[das123]

Hi GrudgeBringer,

You can request your turn to be resent...

http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=Playtime&action=resend

I've just asked for yours to be sent again.

[RadioGibbon]

So is it right to say then that:

Whsiker_Biscuit - Agartha

GrudgeBringer - Arcosephalae

Didn't receive their first turns? Did you get yours after the requested resend GrudgeBringer? (Is the e-mail your checking the one you submitted your pretender from?)

We can roll back to the first turn if Agartha & Arcosephale want.

[RadioGibbon]

GrudgeBringer, I have changed your e-mail address to (address given above) and requested a resend.

I couldn't see what your e-mail address was before however, so I dont know if this will do any good.

If it is working then we can roll back to the start once we sort out whatever problems Whsiker_Biscuit is having.

Edit by llamabeast: Removed e-mail address to prevent harvesting by spambots.

[GrudgeBringer]

i got both turns and sent in turn 1 but it was stale...I did send in turn 2.

I don't understand how if my pretender went in ok then I wouldn't receive my first turn on time.

I don't know how this will effect me in the game but i'm not happy about it.

[RadioGibbon]

We'll roll back to turn 1 since you were afflicted with technical mishaps.

Sorry to anyone who got lucky in their first turn, but I can't imagine too many people did.

[llamabeast]

This all sounds strange, haven't encountered such problems before. Those of you who didn't get the first turn - have you checked your junk mail folder?

By the way everyone, you should be careful posting e-mail addresses on public forums. Spam bots will find the addresses and start spamming you (it happens fast). You can post them in the form llamabeast[ at ]llamaserver[ dot ]net and be fine though, because they're not desperately smart (yet).

[GrudgeBringer]

Thanks for taking the time to replay turn 1.

I did check my junk file and amd my deleted file and no dice.

I have no idea what happened and your right I should know better than to post my e-mail address, I have to run spybot and ad aware twice weekly now (sigh).

Thanks agian and Good Luck All!!!

[James243]

Yes, thanks heaps llamabeast.

Anyone heard from Agartha?

[James243]

Thoughts on getting a sub for Agartha? It's effectively been 4 days or so, and we haven't heard anything.

[RadioGibbon]

I checked another game Whsiker_Biscuit was playing Agartha in (Jotunland) and he's missed his last 3 turns in that as well. I guess we'll need a sub before we can get started.

I've postponed Hosting for 24 hours, hopefully we can get someone quickly.

Sorry and thanks for your patience Guys.

[James243]

Hey no prob RadioGibben - thanks for being so proactive on this! In my experience most games have a little bit of 'teething' time, but run smoothly after that.

[GrudgeBringer]

i'm cool with it...

Just roll when you can

[JimMorrison]

So hey..... I've got a few games ending here, and so will have time to add this one maybe - I do like Agartha. 8 )

What I am curious though, has the game actually officially started? It sounds like it sort of hasn't..... I'd be much more interested if I could design my own pretender, rather than being stuck with who knows what. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

I could have the file sent within a few hours at most of knowing I had the spot, so it wouldn't require much waiting, if it's an option.

[RadioGibbon]

Hi JimMorrison.

The game hasn't taken off yet but I was hoping to avoid evryone having to resubmit their Pretenders.

I'll check with llamabeast to see if a restart would delete the pretenders or if only yourself would have to "resubmit" a pretender, presumably after "Agarthas" e-mail address is altered.

Either way I'm off to bed now so theirs no need to rush yourself.

EDIT: I mean if we do have to resubmit pretenders thats not really any hassle, but I'll just check what the correct technical procedure is for a restart, cos I've never admined before and am still feeling my way around.

Cheers.

[das123]

If Jim wants to re-design etc then lets just start from scratch (guess who didn't like their starting position http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif ). Seriously though, it isn't like the game has really kicked off in any way and it would be unfair for a sub to inherit a pretender at this stage of the game.

Want to second the appreciation for the pro-active admin of the game to date. Well done RadioGibbon and Llamabeast. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[JimMorrison]

das123 said:
If Jim wants to re-design etc then lets just start from scratch (guess who didn't like their starting position http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif ). Seriously though, it isn't like the game has really kicked off in any way and it would be unfair for a sub to inherit a pretender at this stage of the game.

Want to second the appreciation for the pro-active admin of the game to date. Well done RadioGibbon and Llamabeast. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



Well that's the thing - even if the first turn had been sent, if everyone was okay with me making a new pretender, then the game has to start completely over, so start positions would be regenerated, even if everyone else had the same pretender recycled.

[James243]

Works for me - best to have a game where everyone is happy with their pretender (and their starting position http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif !).

Thanks for subbing in!

[GrudgeBringer]

OK with me, heck I am so new I never design my pretender twice the same way anyway....

I may just get it better, as far as starting positions go if they are random then we take our chances if you have predetermined then it will work out ok...

Welcome aboard Jim!!

[Calahan]

I'm happy with a full re-start to allow Jim a chance to design his own Pretender. As James243 says, it's always best to have a game everyone is happy with :-)

Top marks for RadioGibbon's admin so far as well.

Please let us all know if the Pretender files need to be sent in again, or if the ones already sent in will be transfered over automatically.

[Executor]

We aren't restarting are we?

[Calahan]

'Executor'. I'm not 100% sure what's happening, but from reading the thread, it appears that 'JimMorrison' will be coming in to to take the place of the AWOL Agartha player, and he'd like a chance to design his own Pretender rather than use the one the original Agartha player designed.

And I guess if the majority of the players are happy to allow this, then that is what will happen, and the game will be re-started with new start positions. Of course if the majority aren't happy with this, then I guess it won't happen. Unless of course the admin calls it. As his decision should always be final :-)

[RadioGibbon]

Okay,

Bad News: Were restarting

Good News: No one except JimMorrison need submit a pretender, and this pretender can be for any nation he likes (except of course those that are already taken).

Sorry to those of you who've already played turn 1 three times or however many it's been.

If it will help console those of you who were happy with your start posistions I was over the moon with mine, next to one of the sunburst magic sites, close to defensible bottlenecks and got the first turns merc ration.

Anyway, I've already restarted, so as soon as JimM sends in his pretender we can get started again.

Cheers.

[das123]

Has Jim been informed by PM or email?

[JimMorrison]

Ahh! Sorry about that guys. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

I forgot to check this thread today, and just now got a PM from Llama telling me I should submit a pretender. >.>

Grabbing something to eat really quick, then I'll sit down and cook one up, hopefully soon enough that the game hosts.

[JimMorrison]

Well, you said I could just pick, so since I'm doing Agartha in another game already, I thought I'd give Sauromatia a spin. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

And Llamaserver has gotten it, I'm grabbing some sleep. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[RadioGibbon]

Game Started.

Good luck everyone.

[JimMorrison]

Ummm, gee C'tis, are we gonna have a problem?

I must admit, seeing an awake PoD 2 provinces from my capital, and so early, is a bit distressing. Especially when you cut me off from several territories that I rather coveted.

I'm going to suggest you PM me and try to work out a deal, because I'm not alright with your current strategic placement. <3

[James243]

Hmm..C'tis already has a big province lead too...hmm...

[James243]

Anyone got surpluss death gems? PM me if you're interested in a trade.

[James243]

Bad luck C'tis! Did you stale? I see you got turn 10 in really early - hope you squeaked in turn 9!

[James243]

echo...echo...echo...

[JimMorrison]

Pkaw! Pkaw! Nevermore!

[coreyh2]

This is my first multiplayer game. I'm having a really slow start. I got a couple bad luck events early on. Its going ok now.

C'tis is my neighbors too. We'll see how that goes.

[das123]

This is my second multi-player game. Got absolutely hammered in my first game but it was a lot of fun.

I've also had a horrible setback in this game which I am trying to recover from. Ran into a bunch of mages with all my best troops on the fourth or fifth turn and got wiped out which has really slowed my expansion. Slowly getting back into the swing of things now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[JimMorrison]

Was it those sneaksy air mages that I never notice? Never looks too bad until round 4-5 of combat, then comes the Lightning Bolt spam.....

[das123]

Exactly, Jim. They were the ones. I've never seen them before. That Orb Lightening (level 5 spell) just rips through your troops.

[RadioGibbon]

Don't suppose you'd care to tell us which province these bad dudes are in would you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif?

[James243]

All those first timers - welcome! Second game for me.

On the topic of sob stories...

Helheim has lots of troops who have glamour. Glamour gives troops mirror image in battle. I didn't realise that it also gives stealth. Until I sent my non stealth prophet to attack a province with all stealth co combatants. I think he was more surprised than I was to find himself facing 40 woodsmen...alone.

Let's just say it hasn't been the fastest start for me either! But hey its a noob game, and still awesome fun!

[JimMorrison]

That right there is tangled up with the issue of why I refuse to Prophet my starting scout (or any scout). Then they're the stealthy ones who try to avoid going in to bless your army and smite your foes, and they get Leader 0 so you can't even drop non-stealthy troops onto them to force them to go in.....

[Executor]

You just have to be careful and always put them to move not sneak, and it's useful to have a stealthy prophet in many ways, and you can always put crown of command or something alike on him to make him a leader

[James243]

I've noticed that making scouts prophets is pretty popular - why? Is it just to play games with other players dominion? Unless you're playing against mictlan it seems little benefit. But I must be missing something...

[JimMorrison]

Commander Prophet and Scout Prophet are very different beasts, sure. They both have capabilities and drawbacks. All I was saying, was that with my playstyle and what I generally try to accomplish - I really dislike the Scout Prophet. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Executor]

There are many reasons, you get H3 for blessing while your starting army patrols or attacks, spread dominion to attack like with abysia or niefelheim, with MA C'tis you can get a stealthy prophet assassin, Ermor to reanimate from start...

[JimMorrison]

Right, I wasn't saying it's invalid, just something that I never apply. Interesting to note, I also don't believe in the tax/patrol start. So, my own list of reasons why I'd ever use a scout prophet, just get smaller. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Executor]

I always start with tax/patrol and it's the first thing I check at the start of the turn, I don't trust the automatic tax rate it never drops under 50 no matter how high the unrest , and with pangaea and cealum you can go to 200% and not get unrest, that really help get an early start!

[JimMorrison]

200% without unrest? O.o With "OMG I love those crazy bird people" Caelum, no less?

< runs off to start a SP test game >

[JimMorrison]

Well, test game implies if you have an awake Lady of Love as Pan, that she will reduce unrest by 10 each turn. 200 unrest was giving me 19-20 per turn, so I'm guessing she could support 140-150% safely, which is pretty neat. Of course, just being awake is a bit of a design point sink, and you're not getting an SC out of it, just more gold. I'm sure that can be leveraged nicely if part of a larger strategy though.

But Caelum, at least in EA, doesn't get Lady of Love. I tried Lady of Fortune, who did jack and nothing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif However, both got the same 19-20 unrest per turn that Sauromatia did with some random shmoo for their pretender. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Is there anything I am missing?

[das123]

Executor said:
There are many reasons, you get H3 for blessing while your starting army patrols or attacks, spread dominion to attack like with abysia or niefelheim, with MA C'tis you can get a stealthy prophet assassin, Ermor to reanimate from start...



You mentioned that Ermor can reanimate from the start of the game. I'm Ermor in our game but Early Age Ermor is not the great undead nation of the other eras, or is there something I'm missing out on? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Executor]

I was meaning MA Ermor, but you can make a black servant a prophet in any age to reanimate but only sauromatia can reanimate longdead horseman and the giants get londead giants which is quite nice.
Oh and there is a little trick you can do with EA Ermor or really any nation, cast life after death and kill your priests with cold or poison so they become undead ( resistant to cold and poison ) and can reanimate.

[James243]

War!



Three

[James243]

War!
!

After honoring our non aggression pact through its completion, evil lanka chose to declare war on glorious peaceful helheim (me) . Lanka chose the risky strategy of dividing his armies so as to take 2 provinces per turn. While allowing helheim's lich king to claim two key victories, the strategy has paid off with lanka now seiging helheims capital. With haakon the aged and the entire faculty of svartalf university mobilised elsewhere, the research strategy and pretender aspirations of helheim lie in ruins.
But not without significant cost to the demon ogres of lanka. And in that lies opportunity. If you lie to the south or west of lanka, now is your chance to invade! This will benefit helheim but helheim is crippled anyway. But it will benefit you too! And don't think that lanka, once done with helheim, won't be looking elsewhere for conquests. Attack now, at lankas moment of weakness!

[RadioGibbon]

Hi all,

I'll be away this coming bank holiday weekend, so unless anyone objects I'll set Fridays turn to 72 hours or so.

If anyone does object then just sing out, and I'll just stale over the weekend.

Cheers.

[coreyh2]

Its fine with me.

[Executor]

Let us all join in the effort to rid the world of these annoying fish like monsters that won't stand still and fight.
Looks like they're almost dominion killed so anybody who sees his remaining dominion is advised to put a priest or two near to preach so that they would die like cowards that they are.

[JimMorrison]

Oh no, Lanka is in trouble. :p

I bear no ill will to those noble Atlantians who overlooked the peninsular empire of Sauromatia as a war target.

We will however, continue spreading the word of our lord and savior, Blurblugbludd the Merciful. It is our sincere hope that this improves everyone's quality of life.

On that note, Sauromatia needs your daughters! The young god is thirsty, and we will trade many shiny pretty magic gems and bars of gold for those excess daughters who you always regretted drowning!

<3

[Calahan]

The deep dwellers have many neighbours, and we are happy to be getting along with them all as they go about their everyday business. With of course the obvious exception :smirk:

It is strange that we heard no cries from Lanka when they were persecuting and destroying the peaceful and friendly people from Helhiem. Maybe they only object to aggressors when it is they who are the chosen target of aggression? And I apologise for the fish-like characteristics of my fish-like warriors. But when have you ever seen a fish simply stay still waiting to be caught! It is just not in their nature :)

Many Atlantians are currently enjoying the wonderful messages of Blurblugblubb the Merciful, and they opine that the Sauromatian Lord is wise and mighty indeed. Although they regret that they have no daughters to offer as gifts of appreciation at this time. They are very sorry about this unacceptable position, and humbly seek forgiveness for not possessing the requested offerings :( Efforts will be doubled to meet future requests.

Calahan of Atlantis


ps. This is the first game I've ever had dominion problems in, and amazed how quickly it can go down! Thought (for some reason) that change was limited to +/- 1 candle per turn, but last turn just proved to me that that theory is a complete load of &*%$£!

pss. Some of my provinces have some well weird scale mixes from the various other nations. In fact I think I know every other nations scales apart from my own! Also thought that province scales would only change in the direction of the dominion in that province. But that theory is also faulty as it appears scales can change as dominion goes down in the direction of the dominion that is forcing the down-shift. Think I need to do a lot of forum/manual reading on dominion, since the things I thought I knew about it are way off the mark.

[Executor]

Lanka is in no trouble, with ease we defeated the tyrant of Helheim and liberated the poor people that suffered under his evil ways.
First we were amused by the pitiful efforts of the fishes that tried to invade the great Empire and subdue the good people of Lanka, but now they are just annoying, they run around the Lanka coastline avoiding fights.

[RadioGibbon]

Bad News,

Theres some building work going on, and I've just realised my alternate PC location won't be able to connect to the internet. I've had to switch to AI as this is the last time I'll be able to get on the net for about 10 days.

I'll e-mail the admin password to Executor (First name on the list of players who still involved), and he can pass it on to whoever you find to admin the game.

Sorry Guys.:(

[Executor]

Sorry to hear that,
If anybodys else is interested in being the admin, that's fine,
if not, I'll do it.

[JimMorrison]

Wow, we maybe could have sought a sub. :o

Marverni is a huge and powerful nation, to suddenly end up set to AI out of the blue.....

[das123]

Bad luck, RG. :(

Looks like you're in charge Executor. :)

Llamabeast's server will be down for 48 hours so I suppose we can just kick back and cool our heels for the weekend.

[Calahan]

Any chance of this game switching to a 48hr timer?

There's been a great pace to the game so far, and while I don't want to be the one to slow things down, I stale turned the last turn, and only just avoided doing the same again this turn. I'm still pretty new to MP games, but as far as I can tell the vast majority of games have switched to 48hrs by turn 30 at the lastest. And while it's impressive to still be doing 24hrs at turn 42, it may be taking it's tole on some of the players.

Not sure what everyone else thinks, but I'm going to continue to struggle to keep with this game if it stays on a 24hr schedule.

[JimMorrison]

Any chance of this game switching to a 48hr timer?

There's been a great pace to the game so far, and while I don't want to be the one to slow things down, I stale turned the last turn, and only just avoided doing the same again this turn. I'm still pretty new to MP games, but as far as I can tell the vast majority of games have switched to 48hrs by turn 30 at the lastest. And while it's impressive to still be doing 24hrs at turn 42, it may be taking it's tole on some of the players.

Not sure what everyone else thinks, but I'm going to continue to struggle to keep with this game if it stays on a 24hr schedule.


Haha, I was just thinking about this, after the weekend break. We've made awesome time up to here, but it might be nice to afford a little breathing/thinking room now. I'm not so much struggling - yet - but as this is not my only game..... Well, I appreciate the extra time to think, as well as the comfort of knowing my opponents are not rushed or staling.

<3

[Executor]

We declare war on the unholy kingdom of Sauromatia, they invaded the Sacred lands of Lanka and will be punished.
We invite any and all nation to rid the world of this treacherous nation.

[JimMorrison]

Sieging a castle owned by Marverni is invading the Sacred (read: coveted) lands of Lanka then, is it?

I guess it's party time then. And I would also encourage all of those other people who are taking bites off of Marverni, to take advantage of Lanka's overextended position, and stake a more fruitful claim on those territories.

A shame that you would go to war over one province, and the handful of indie archers that you chose to throw at the situation. We even waited patiently until your sieging force failed and was driven off. Don't tell me you didn't see that army sitting there waiting, that I had dispatched the month Marverni's leader disappeared.

I think you wanted this war, so be it.

[Executor]

I may have lost a battle to the AL, but I didn't lose the province.
That land was still under the rule of Lanka as were the surrounding provinces.
Will you retreat or do you desire a war with us?

[Executor]

Wow, people requested a 48 hours turn, and I was about to do the same thing when it occurred to me that I'm the admin now!
Sorry people, I'll switch to 48 now, I can't make turn like this either.

[JimMorrison]

A rider has been dispatched with our reply, Executor.


In other news, Sauromatia is looking to trade limited quantities of Fire, Air, Death, or Nature for Earth gems. We also may be willing to forge Dwarven Hammers or Blood Stones as part of our end of the trade - contact me if interested.

[Executor]

Does anyone have any wonderful air gems he would like to sell or exchange?
Please PM me.

[Calahan]

Anybody know what's happening with this game?

From the admin log it appears that the current silly deadline date (19th Nov) is mainly due to the llamaserver going a bit nuts on the 24th Sept, but when 'Executor' appeared briefly on the boards on the 27th Sept saying he had internet problems, he/she also added extra time. 'Executor' is the admin for the game btw.

Guess we'll just have to wait a few more days to see if 'Executor' re-appears. If not then llamabeast will need to be contacted to get/overide the admin password for the game to continue. Unless somebody out there knows something :)

[JimMorrison]

I know that I am itching to post a turn for this game. :shock:

I'll send a PM to Executor. >.>

[RadioGibbon]

Hi everyone.

I still have the admin password for this game if one of you wants to take over from Executor and get the game going again.

(I just checked if it still works, and it does).

Cheers.

[GrudgeBringer]

Go ahead and admin it lets get it going agian

[RadioGibbon]

Well I've just forced this game to host, but I'd appreciate it if someone still in the game could take over the admining duties and the players decide on the best course of action about Lanka.

[Executor]

Lanka is back and ready to win this game, sorry about the daly people, I'll continue the admin work... if I still remember the password.

[Executor]

To the nation that beat me to creating the twin spear, I will offer a good compensation if you would sell it to me, please let me know.

[Calahan]

Can I please request a 48hour extension of the current turn. I am leaving for Greece due to work in a few hours, and I have no idea if I'll have internet//Wifi access where I'm going to. Everything might be fine, and I'll have access to the net just fine :) But would like an extension just in case I don't have any access until the weekend.

[Executor]

Done.

[JimMorrison]

Well, I'm a little bit pissed. Had to help my brother move today. Was supposed to leave at 1pm, and assumed I'd be back around 9pm.....

He ended up not having everything packed, we didn't even leave town until about 5pm or so, and I didn't get back home until..... well, a little after 5am. 45 minutes after the game hosted.

I'm obviously not asking for a rollback (I am crazy not stupid. ;)), just venting a bit, because of all of my games, this is the one I am the most interested in.

:(

[Executor]

I wanted to delay the game another 24 hours for Calahan but I got home late today, had an unexpected school basketball tournament and when I got home the game had just hosted so that's just bad luck.
I delayed the game another 48 hours, I think Calahan said he'd be back this weekend the latest so hopefully he'll get his turn in.

[Executor]

Now I know I delayed the game 48 hours this time, and I KNOW I saw it on Llamaserver that it was delayed but it still hosted today???
How do you all feel about rolling back this turn for Calahan?

[JimMorrison]

If you do a rollback, you must do the "instant" rollback. That is, when you coordinate with Calahan so that you perform the rollback, he submits his turn, and you force host before anyone sends in a revised turn.

For example, I hit my opponent with a couple of surprises this turn, and it wouldn't be fair to lose that. Also, something I tried did not go as planned, and if I changed out some gear on a couple of SCs, I could avert a defeat. So - not fair at all if either I or C'tis revised our turn, and the other didn't. And also, not even quite right if we both revise.

Calahan is late to return though, it may just be best to suspend hosting and find a sub, and hope he makes it back soon.

[Executor]

I really hope Calahan will get back this weekend, it's a waste to let someone state out a game, especially someone with a winnig chance. I had a run of 8 stales in tigerstripes and it totally wrecked my game.
We are on a 96 hour interval now, I'll change it back when Calahan get's back, I see he's about to stale in beer also, he's the admin there. He probably didn't expect to be gone this long.

[rtyffg]

I'm expecting to be out of internet from 8 till 16 november, will seek for a sub.

[Executor]

This game just keep getting harder to menage, Calahan still M.I.A. and now it seems Jim too.
I've PM'd Jim, maybe he just forgot to send in the turn,
so I've delayed the game, again, for 24 hours, again.

If anyone is interested in taking over the admin work you need just say.

[Executor]

Actually I think I'll try and find a temp sub for Calahan, so I'll delay the game a bit more.

[Executor]

$#&%^#@ I HATE DIAL UP!
It looks like I managed to postpone the game a minute after it hosted.

I think someone else should take on admin work, someone who has NORMAL access to internet.

[JimMorrison]

Really didn't mean to stale..... 7-8 years of anticipation of Fallout 3 completely devoured the last 24 hours of my life in glorious fruition. :o

[Executor]

Could we all have a vote for Atlantis ( Calahan ) since he's been away for more than 20 days now, and should have come back a looooong time ago.

1) Should we find a permanent sub,
2) Should I again try to find a temp sub,
3) Should we let him stale out and hope we gets back?

Choice with most votes wins.

[rtyffg]

I will be away in 8-16 november. It seems, Veto agreed to sub Pangaea in that time.

[Executor]

I'll try and find someone to change Atlantis to AI since no one wants to take over ( I've even tryed the Russian forum, actually didn't know there was one before this ).

Would anyone want to change the hosting interval to 48 or 72, or should we keep 96 .

Lanka is looking for death gems, we offer any other kind exepct astral gems.

And will somebody please be done with Marverni, it's only one fort with no army how hard could it be?

[rtyffg]

About Marverni. Their last fort is under siege by Bogus group, and their god is god is sieging his former capital from Atlantis. That fort was agreed to pass to Atlantis before these stales started. Through Pangaeans could take that fort, it will not kill Marverni, as their god will still be alive.
It seems finishing off Marverni depends on Atlantis decision too. And in meanwhile, that bogus buggers sit where they are and seem to not show anywhere else.

[Executor]

I'm pretty sure Atlantis won't be coming back since it's been more than a month, and since I can't find a sub I'll try and find someone to put him to AI.
Feel free to take out Marverni, anyone.

[GrudgeBringer]

Executor...If you need me to sit in and put Atlantis on AI I am willing to do that...just let me know:)

[GrudgeBringer]

ohhh, forgot I am still in that game although I am about done....sorry

[RadioGibbon]

About Marverni. Their last fort is under siege by Bogus group, and their god is god is sieging his former capital from Atlantis.

My god was a stationary Fountain of Blood with 6 Blood magic and nothing else... How can it be besieging my former capital?

Fake Edit: Maybe theirs a blood teleport spell?

[rtyffg]

Atlantis have sieged and take Marverny capital (killing fountain of blood in process). Some turns later, Marvernian god appeared in home province (now taken by Atlantis) and routed local PD. Since then he was sitting there, sieging his own capital. At least this is what my scout told me.
Maybe remaining priests called him back?

About Atlantis - maybe crazy, but could he just made stalling, while his territories\underwater territories declared untouchable? Since all remaining active nations seem to be land-based.

[JimMorrison]

He's been gone over a month..... one of his other games, he was Ashdod, was twice the size of anyone else and rolling strong, and has been handed off to someone else now, after what looked like some painful losses on his couple of stales.

It sucks that he is as large as he is, and is AWOL. I think it sucks even more that his job was sending him to a "somewhat unstable" region of the world for a week, and he's been gone over a month.

[Executor]

Psycho has agreed to change Atlantis to AI, as you may have noticed the turn has been sent.
We'll keep it on a 96 hours quickhost, unless if anyone wants to change this?

[JimMorrison]

Sauromatia has 11 Skull Mentors for trade or sale, any reasonable offer will be entertained. ;)

[Executor]

I will delay the game a little now, just to be sure since Pangaea stailed last turn and I didn't see it until it was too late.
I'll delay the game 6 hours and if he doesn't submit his turn I'll postpone the game more and maybe look for a sub, I hope not.

[JimMorrison]

Man. I know it's a rough spot, but these are the moments you learn the most from, no?

Did you try to PM him? From his post count, it looks like he isn't the most active..... Oh, doesn't Llamaserver have functions to send out Email notices independent of turns? Maybe send him a message that way, asking him his intentions.

[Executor]

I've postponed the game for a day, I'll PM him and send him and e-mail. If he doesn't send in his turn tomorow or the following day I'll put an add for a sub.

[Psycho]

After reviewing my turn, I can't but wonder why I am the bad guy. It's the dominion, right?

I might need some more time for the first turn, it's hard grasping everything right away. I'll let you know. And I'd like to hear more on my diplomatic position, if there is anything more than "you're in war with everybody else".

[JimMorrison]

It really is mostly the dominion. I know I killed a few toys in the last couple of turns before the pause, but with how high your gold and gem incomes have been, I can't imagine that you don't have something to work with?

As far as needing some time to review your situation, that's more than understandable, it's a big nation, and we're neck deep by now.

[Executor]

You have the same gem income like me, but unlike me you have blood stones and clams.
You also have a wisher and some Seraphs and Chyots flying 'round my lands.
Vampires, demiliches, Demon Lords, King of fire/earth, maybe even water?
Hordes of iron dragons, faerie queens, trolls kings, treelords, demon knights...

You also have all the possible indie mages, lore masters, enchantresses, adept of pyriplegos, high magus, wizards... and that's only what I see.

You ARE the bad guy!

[Psycho]

All right. I'll do my best, but I can't see myself winning this. At least I'll go down in a blaze of glory.

[Psycho]

Sorry about waiting so long on me, but I was extremely busy these last several days. I delayed all my games and even forgot to ask about delay in this one. Thanks for waiting, though. I promise to send my turn in tomorrow.

[JimMorrison]

So, 11 hours until host, and no one has their turn in.

Could we get a 6 hour extension please? I thought I had until tomorrow afternoon, and I've been deliberating heavily - trying to remember what I was trying to do, and figure out what damage Psycho's nifty little overland barrage actually did to me. :p

[Psycho]

Why do my vampires refuse to touch of death dakinis? They cast soul vortex and disintegrate instead. And yes, they are in range.

[JimMorrison]

Sorry about that, and thanks for keeping an eye on things, Executor.

Our router failed while I was doing my turn, and when I went to send it, I had no net access. Took us the better part of the day to figure out what was wrong, and last night when I got back on, I checked Llamaserver, and it showed no turns in, but there were something like 12 hours left to host..... I was too tired to try to make sense of it.

Anyway, turn is in, and all lights should be green now. :up:

[Executor]

No problem,
I'll PM the password to both of you just in case, so you can postpone the game when needed.

[Psycho]

This turn's results are 5 tartarians, 2 AQs and 1 dakini down. Also, the sickle is up for grabs again. I know I'm going down, but not without a fight. I've never before had the pleasure of being hit with about 20 assassination rituals per turn. It is very annoying, I must say.

[Executor]

Psycho you lucky bastard, you lucky lucky bastard!!!
You send Pans to leech my Air Queen and when the blood slaves are used up BAM! charm and she's yours, even with no god damn penetration bonus.
BAM! disintegrate with no penetration bonus and my Tartarion is down. 25 MR? So what.

I'd consider playing lottery If I were you.

[Psycho]

The interesting thing is that even though I charmed your AQ, she still moved to the province you ordered her to move to.

[Executor]

This really isn't OK, I sent the damn turn but it didn't get received. So I lost my pretender and several SC/thugs, lost a bunch of provinces to damn imps, blood slave gone to hell, no new items, SC's, no ordered spells
Losing them is fine, but losing them because of a ****ing stale makes me damn furious.

[Psycho]

Fountain of blood, 3 mandahas and 3 dakinis down. I stormed that fort out of despair, not knowing what to do with the army. I never expected to win.

[Executor]

You know if this was s regular win I'd say congratulations. But this damn turn is nothing for you to be proud just for the record. The only reason you won that damn battle is because my turn didn't get trough, and trust me the result would have been much MUCH diferent if it did get trough so don't be so smug and proud of yourself.

[Psycho]

Feel free to rehost

[Executor]

Don't insult me by offering a rollback.

[Psycho]

Although I delayed it twice, I practically staled last turn. All I did was to cast three mind hunts and one ghost riders. I am ridiculously busy in real life at the moment. I barely manage to do the turns in the other game where I stand a chance of winning. If you ever think that it might be a good idea to work and study at the same time, believe me it's not. Anyway, I'll try to do my best with the very limited time at my disposal, but if you think that's not enough and want to find someone else to take over Pangaea, feel free to do so.

[Psycho]

Hey, what's going on here? Yesterday I saw that the turn was supposed to host at 22h GMT on Sunday. Today I get up and see the turn has hosted. Who moved the hosting time backwards?

[Executor]

Nobody, you all have the password and I told you to use it when needed. You had two reminders to get the turn in. I delayed the game 3 hours and 9 hours again later.
I'm getting sick of delaying the game 5 times for every turn so I won't do it no more.

If you don't believe me check the admin log on Llamaserver.

[Psycho]

Hmmm, you are right. Strange. I was sure I saw the hosting time was 22h on Sunday.

[JimMorrison]

I thought I saw something similar (can't recall exactly). Checked again before bed, and it was hosting in ~1 hour with no one else's turns in, so I just went to sleep. :shock:

[Executor]

Ok, I really can't be the bad guy here. I've done the best I can as an admin and prevented many players from staling dozens of times (which is not in my best interest).
I didn't ask to be the admin, I was given the password after Marverni was killed and I've passed them on so you can delay the game... yourselves.

[JimMorrison]

Didn't say you were doing anything wrong. :p

I got a notice the turn was due soon, I checked Llama, and (must have misread) thought it had been delayed a day. I was wrong, and staled for what, my 8th time this game? I wish I was more enthusiastic about this game, but thrust into my second war against a wealthy foe who cannot win, so is only fighting to do as much damage as possible. Maximum attrition could be more fun. ;)

[JimMorrison]

You know what, forget it, I concede. I don't have enough time for all of this right now, and this game was over when Marverni went AI.....

[Psycho]

There doesn't seem to be any sense continuing the game without Sauromatia. I am happy to concede to the neverending horde of mandahas as well. I would like to play a couple more turns though - to try out a few more things.

[Executor]

I'm a little tired of this game too, otherwise I'd try and convince you to continue. So if you both wanna decided to concede that's fine with me, if you want to continue I'm good again.