Revenge of Pimping - Let's go Voltron Force!

[Lingchih]

Yes, for those of you looking at the Hall of Fame, Hysteria did indeed kill almost 500 undead by herself. Hysteria is tired now. Hysteria needs a nap.

[AreaOfEffect]

Is it because Hysteria is still feebleminded?

[Lingchih]

Yes, Hysteria's head hurts. It will get better though. She just needs some bed rest.

[Ershalim]

Whenever Elore's feeling down, he likes to take a dip in his blood pool and drink chai. Jomon will send her some chai, if you like. :)

[AreaOfEffect]

I hope Elore likes fireball spam with that Chai.

Edit: But really, we the people of Man mourn your loss.

[Ershalim]

Oh please. There's no tea embargo, is there? You can have some chai too, you know. Just because we're murdering each other senselessly, there's no need to be uncivilized about it. Tsk.

[Lingchih]

I'm sure some Chai tea would help Hysteria's headache immensely. Thanks very much.

But seriously, why is anyone fighting anyone else besides Ermor/Agartha? They are the team to beat right now. I know R'lyeh is a threat, but don't we all need to sit down, hash out our differences, and exterminate Ermor at this point in the game? I call for a global League of Nations, to end all other disputes for the time being, and focus on destroying the Ermor/Agartha alliance.

[Unoptimized]

Come one, come all. We have more suprises for all of the lovely would-be-gods come to see our lands for themselves.

(OOC: For the record, Micha and Ling, you guys have been amazing opponents. I've been trying to make a good account of myself, and I hope that I have not been making this TOO easy)

[Unoptimized]

Also; no Gorgon should ever have more than 100 hit points. That's just plain MEAN.

[DrPraetorious]

Well, we're at war with TC and Jomon because they *attacked* us.

And we're going to exterminate them if we possibly can. If not, we'll obviously do our best to make sure that either R'lyeh or Ermor can make thme regret their vain war against us.

[Zeldor]

I must admit that TC and Mictlan have quite impressive blesses.

[Ershalim]

Did we attack you first, Dr. P? Elore was still in Tartarus at the time, and I don't think the people in power previously kept good records. Needless to say, it's not as if we could simply go on allowing the sneaky people of Abysia to remain as they were. Vicious little spitfires that they are, it would be unseemly.

[AreaOfEffect]

I've been watching the North East with anticipation. It's actually been a nice back and forth for some time.

[PsiSoldier]

Well to be fair we of T'ien Ch'i had actually sent Abysia a notice that we were just trying to cross through a few of his lands to get to an area with my ally's friendly dominion. Apparently he did not read the message completely.

Instead of being cool about it Abysia got all hot and bothered and attacked my few humble mage's making their journey through what would have been only 2 or 3 of his provinces with his Prince of Death. And thus began the extermination of Abysia/Mictlan. Perhaps he should have payed more attention to the initial message we sent to him.

[PsiSoldier]

I must admit that TC and Mictlan have quite impressive blesses.

Yeah, too bad its us Mictlan is fighting or he might have done very well, his bless is pretty nasty.

He may have won the last battle, but then again he only managed to kill a few of my sacred troops as they were all in the rear and retreated before they really got involved in the battle too much. Had the battle gone on a little while longer he'd have lost. But have no fear.. Plenty more are already on their way up to replace the few that were lost and then some.

I must say though, I'll be glad when I find that province he's recruiting those Pegasus Riders from.. They will make a great addition to my army. (Assuming that they are from some random site as I think they are)

[Zeldor]

PsiSoldier:

I would be rather more worried about your ally. While you are gaining land and forts, he suffered quite a loos against nasty Abysian magery. I think his cavalry though they are as good as Ancestor Vessels :)

And while we are are fighting and bleeding Marignon is turtling and getting some nasty things to unleash on winners.

[Ershalim]

Ah, is that how it looks to you? Jomon is merely following Elore's wishes -- to have a completely one-sided aggression would be rude. A proper war must have back and forth.

[PsiSoldier]

Well, my main objective all along has been to keep Mictlan too busy to help Abysia which I have succeed rather nicely at, although after watching that last one in Clon I'd say Abysia is doing ok for itself right now.

But you know.. The wishes of Elore and all that jazz :D

Mictlan managed to put a temporary stop to my advance and looks like they are sending another 300 crap troops down at me, all slaves from the looks of things. I'd say maybe 100 slaves = 1 ancestor vessles so not too worried there.. :cool:

Abysia will feel the wrath of TC long before he has a chance to take back much of his old lands from Jomon though. Assuming he is even able.


PsiSoldier:

I would be rather more worried about your ally. While you are gaining land http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/styles/Shrap/editor/separator.gifand forts, he suffered quite a loos against nasty Abysian magery. I think his cavalry though they are as good as Ancestor Vessels :)

And while we are are fighting and bleeding Marignon is turtling and getting some nasty things to unleash on winners.

[Lingchih]

Come one, come all. We have more suprises for all of the lovely would-be-gods come to see our lands for themselves.

(OOC: For the record, Micha and Ling, you guys have been amazing opponents. I've been trying to make a good account of myself, and I hope that I have not been making this TOO easy)

Well, if you call eliminating most of my armies, and reducing my provinces to wastelands TOO easy. You've kicked my arse time and time again. Only my Gorgon could drive you back. You've done very well, I would say.

Micah is an extraordinary player. And I am not bad (on my good nights). That's about all that has kept you from reducing us to dust.

[Revolution]

Zantaron, a name who's utterance shall be met with revulsion by the people of Bogarus. That bastard simply did not know how to run.

[Unoptimized]

Hm, how odd. And we had sent him just enough friends that he would leave if you moved your army back. Instead, he seemed to be filled at rage that you would try and banish him with such meager forces. I daresay, if not for that paralyze, things would be gotten more interesting still.

Ah well. I must go ready the legions. We do not want your archers, who are violating noise codes, to be lonely in our silent lands, after all.

(OOC: Thanks Ling. I've never done LA Ermor in multi before, but it is a blast. I'm just kicking myself for not employing some tactics earlier in the game, which you and Mich have made me suffer dearly for.)

[Lingchih]

There may have been some tactics you had gone for earlier, but I don't think it would have mattered much. The Gorgon is a horrible opponent for you to match up against, Ermor.

[Zeldor]

Server is down?

[Lingchih]

Server is down?

Micah got his turn. We were just discussing it.

[Zeldor]

I tried for a whole day and I cannot connect.

[Zeldor]

Ok, it works now.

[Lingchih]

Well, Ermor, it was good fighting you (heh, not really). But it appears you are going down now. The League of Nations did well, although we suffered quite a few setbacks on the way. Massive armies that can feed themselves in wastelands are now coming your way. Hysteria is retiring from the fight now, to pursue more scholarly endeavors. If she is needed, of course, she can re-appear at a moment's notice.

I don't want to declare Ermor dead just yet, but he is looking rather torn up.

[Micah]

The first of Ermor's fortifications has fallen, along with the temple it hid. Ermor's pretender was also banished back to their unholy capital after falling in battle to the brave footmen of Ulm.

Rejoice, for the might of Ulm is the ally of the living, and we shall push back the darkness until it is no more.

[Zeldor]

Huh, I am getting some really ugly battle replay bugs. That is not funny.

[AreaOfEffect]

It doesn't seem buggy.

Both I and Bogarus lost a scout in that province this turn. I'm sure that Bogarus can confirm that the losses you suffered are due to powerful evocation spells cast by 11 of Argatha's best mages supported by a few weaker mages. Some of those mages had gems to boost their magic as well.

Edit: Not to mention some nice foot wear. A few boots of the messenger and one set of earth boots.

[Zeldor]

Oh yeah, I don't blame that bodies, but losses are a bit different thatn what replay shows [but well, maybe not so much].

[Lingchih]

Hmm. I heard a rumor that some people staled last turn. Not naming names, but c'mon. This is a relatively small game with a 48 hour hosting time. I don't believe there are any excuses for a stale... unless you want out of the game. In that case, I'm sure there would be people willing to take over for your nations. This is an elite level game, after all.

Let's have some teamwork here, people. :doh:

[Revolution]

Disappointing with a rather disastrous attack at an Ermorian stronghold, Erebose called his army to meet and discuss the recent engagement. He was quite disappointed, many of his followers had fled the battle before even receiving a wound, scared of the undead force and a persistent wind. Arriving at the meeting spot Erebose was surprised to find he was the only one there. As it turned out they were all too scared to be in the same province as him, they had all decided to go out and play with dolls.

Erebose cried.

[Micah]

Luckily the Ulmish are made of sterner stuff, and our glorious nation was able to sack yet another Ermorian fort, razing the unholy thing they call a temple to the ground even before the last Ermorian corpse had stopped twitching. We thank our Bogarussian allies for their excellent feint, since we knew not even the undead hordes of Ermor could put up with the dishonor of being defeated by the Bagarussian "army."

We were also witness to the second defeat of Primus, as he was struck down for his hubris after trying to harness magic that is clearly beyond his capability to control. We were somewhat saddened that we were not able to destroy his body ourselves, but in he end Micah stood proud on the battlefield, while his enemy had been reduced to mere dust in the wind.


(Hope you don't mind me ragging on bogarus, but their troops really are that bad. And it was pretty amusing watching Primus suicide on the very first turn of his wrathful skies casting)

[DrPraetorious]

Frank says something is weird with the hosting interval?

I'm working on a political campaign and have no sense of time, or day and night. Has anyone else noticed something off? I'm extending hosting just in case.

Edit: D'oh. I think I dropped the timer back down to 24h.

[Lingchih]

Hmm. I kind of liked the fast pace again. But then, some do not. 44 hours till host though, and only Jomon is out. Maybe we can get one more turn done this weekend. Le't go Jomon :)

[PsiSoldier]

Hrrrm Jomon hasnt responded to my PM's for a few days now it seems like. I'm not even sure he took his last turn or not. When it was a few hours to host I did a few things for him and sent him a message but I'm not sure if he ever came on and took his turn for real. Might need to find a sub if he doesnt show up soon.

[Zeldor]

We were on 48h timer. So why 48h more added now?

[DrPraetorious]

Are we sure? I'm heading out again - but if Jomon stales with no explanation, what do we want to do?

[Zeldor]

Hmm... I think we had hosting at around 5 AM GMT time on Wednesday, Friday ans Sunday, didn't we? I can be wrong here.

[PsiSoldier]

Hrrrm Maybe I should go ahead and do Jomon's turn so we can get this moving.

[Lingchih]

Well, whoever did Jomon's turn, thanks.

Of course, Ermor kicked my *** again, so maybe I did not really want to see this turn, but it's good to get the hosting done to keep interest up in the game.

lol. that's hilarious. the forum filtered my three letter term for ones' backside.

[AreaOfEffect]

The State of the World as Man Sees It:

These are indeed though times. There has been a lot of war since the beginning of this game, and aside from the annihilation of Atlantis, all of that warfare has been unresolved.

The evil empire of Ermor is falling at last. They have done well considering the odds. Though I must be honest. From what I've seen, and as Pangaea admits, the forest beings have not done well in stemming the Ermorian tide. They have suffered great defeat after great defeat. Only by the grace of their god, Hysteria, have they ever achieved significant victory. Bogarus entered very late in the struggle and has played the part of a poorly organized opportunist. Ermor is not falling because of either of these nations. Ermor is falling because of Ulm in my opinion. Ulm has grown stronger and stronger with every fight and Ermor has grown weaker and weaker. Superb battle placement, rare artifacts, high level evocation, and unique demons are all at their disposal. Ermor will fall.

To the East an equally epic battle has been waged. The forces of T'ien Ch'i and Jonom have been fighting Mictlan and Abysia for ages. I have seen many impressive battles. The defeat of the great Jonom calvary was interesting to me. One well placed fireball after the other decimated their army, one square at a time. If it were not for the forces of T'ien Ch'i, Jomon would fall.

T'ien Ch'i on the other hand has done well in their fight against their respective foe, Mictlan. So well that they have dispersed capitol only sacreds to aid their ally. They are by far the largest nation on the entire map. Both T'ien Ch'i and Mictlan have exercised a triple bless or greater. Both nations wielded their sacred armies battle after battle. It seemed like a fair match. Yet, at the end of the day, T'ien Ch'i has gained the most ground. That said, the most recent spectacle places Mictlan on top. While T'ien Ch'i has relied mostly on the brute effectiveness and survivability of their sacreds, Mictlan has turned to the powers of evocation. In a decisive battle just miles away from Mictlan's capitol, the main force of T'ien Ch'i have been broken and scattered. Unless T'ien Ch'i revises their tactics, they will fall. Fortunately for them, they have the luxury of time.

To the South-East lies the nation of Marignon and Pythium. Pythium has done their part to fend off Ermor and Argatha. I have seen their toxic sacred Hydras, and I am not impressed with how they have been used. Unless they are holding back a great deal of resource and tactical knowledge, the nation of Pythium will likely fall. Their ally on the other hand, Marignon, is a wildcard. They have never been tested and instead they have been allowed to stew and simmer. Only time will tell if they have prepared well for the doom that awaits them.

Argatha, the ally of Ermor, has not been talked about much at all this game. They started a war against Man, most likely out of boredom and the desire to expand. Argatha had beaten the small nation of Man back to their capitol, losing caster after caster along the way. Then Ry'leh approached and a retreat was in order. Since then the Argathians have held off their foes by employing a great deal of mid-level evocation. In front of their army lies a kill zone where everything dies. Though Argatha has taken losses and have lost small battles here and their, their primary force has never been broken. That said, the pressure of two nations leaning against them has taken their toll. Their empire resembles swiss cheese and like Ermor, Argatha will fall.

Bogarus, the only nation without an ally. From what I've seen, and from what Ulm has vocally observed, is likely to be the next nation eaten by the empire of vampiric lords. May fate have mercy upon them. They will likely fall.

I dare not speak of my fate, for it is grim. I also dare not speak of the fate of my Ally, for they are mad.

I dare not say that my predictions are prophecy. Their is much that hinges on what people have been doing in the background. I can only speak of what I see. I can only tell you the trends. I do not mean to insult anyone. It is the state of the world as I see it. I can not see it all, and so I may have sold some nations short, and given a few credit that is undeserved. That said, good luck to us all.

[Micah]

Bogarus, the only nation without an ally. From what I've seen, and from what Ulm has vocally observed, is likely to be the next nation eaten by the empire of vampiric lords. May fate have mercy upon them. They will likely fall.


Ulm has made no such claims, vocal or otherwise, and has much appreciated the assistance of Bogarus in our fight against Ermor. Though they may not have won any great victories they have split the forces of the undead horde and allowed the Ulmish armies to advance step by painful step into the Ermorian wasteland, purifying the unholy taint and razing the temples one province at a time, as well as banishing their pretender time and again to the seat of their unholy power.

Ulm will forgive the people of Man their mistake, for they have undoubtedly begun to go slightly mad at this point, but we do wish to reassure the Bogarussian people that we have no desire to see them fall.

[AreaOfEffect]

Sorry, it was a ill conceived prediction based on what I see. The primary forces of Ulm will surely be there when Ermor falls. Barring the use of army wide teleportation, the most convenient target for their invasion force would be Bogarus. Still, your army is nothing more then a revolving door of units which don't mean as much. It is the items and several key commanders that are most important, and I realize this.

Pythium would also be another candidate for Ulm/Pangaea's expansion. However, I deemed Bogarus the likely target because they have no ally and because Ulm has commented on their army, meaning that he has seen it in action. I did not mean to say that you had targeted Bogarus, but rather that you appeared to know more about them then you did of other bordering nations. Logic dictates that you would gravitate toward the known, rather then the unknown.

Yet still, this draws much more attention to the future then should be granted. What matters is what is happening now and the next few turns. Their are too many unknown factors to be sure of anything. Ermor is weakening, but not dead. Mictlan has won a battle, but certainly not the war. Bogarus has sent an army, but it may not be a dedicated effort. I can't say that anyone knows anything about Marignon. Let time tell the story.

Edit: By the way, we are indeed going mad...

[Micah]

Ahh, I was mostly making an OOC crack about how Bogarus' national units are just freaking terrible (I'm playing them in another game, and I feel for Revolution). I was commenting on the nation, not their current position, though I can see how that could be misinterpreted.

And I can easily gate over 200 units with a single cast at this point, so moving my armies around isn't too hard a proposition, especially since I'm expecting a lot of them to die in the line of duty.

Anyhow, for now Ulm continues to battle the Ermorian threat, we don't care to let them have a chance at stabilizing due to bickering over who may or may not be the next target of a war.

[Lingchih]

In defense of my nation of Pan, yes they have lost some big battles. But in each of those battles, they have inflicted heavy casualties on Ermor. And when it is opportune, Hysteria comes in and mops them them up. I am certainly not winning against Ermor, but I have held my own, for now.

[nozshand]

im regret to say that, but i need to withdraw from this game.

i currently on a business trip which is going to take weeks and im unlikely to get internet connection for this period.

please find me a sub.

Nozshand, Pythium

[DrPraetorious]

Well, in that case, the call goes out for a sub.

His ally can take a few turns for him but this is supposed to be a team game :).

If someone can cover one turn for him so he doesn't stale, this might be a good idea also.

[Zeldor]

I think Jomon needs a sub too. I think TC played for him last turn and it doesn't look like he will submit that turn.

[Micah]

please find me a sub.



I believe this is something you're supposed to do on your own as a courtesy...

[PsiSoldier]

Hrrrrm Yeah I played Jomon the turn before last but I think I may have let Jomon stale this turn.. :doh:

Guess I really do need to start looking for a sub for him, I already posted in a thread for another game I'm in but have not posted elsewhere.

[PsiSoldier]

The State of the World as Man Sees It:

T'ien Ch'i on the other hand has done well in their fight against their respective foe, Mictlan. So well that they have dispersed capitol only sacreds to aid their ally. They are by far the largest nation on the entire map. Both T'ien Ch'i and Mictlan have exercised a triple bless or greater. Both nations wielded their sacred armies battle after battle. It seemed like a fair match. Yet, at the end of the day, T'ien Ch'i has gained the most ground. That said, the most recent spectacle places Mictlan on top. While T'ien Ch'i has relied mostly on the brute effectiveness and survivability of their sacreds, Mictlan has turned to the powers of evocation. In a decisive battle just miles away from Mictlan's capitol, the main force of T'ien Ch'i have been broken and scattered. Unless T'ien Ch'i revises their tactics, they will fall. Fortunately for them, they have the luxury of time.

T'ien Ch'i would not consider the great battle you may have witnessed to be anything more than a Minor setback. It only marks the second defeat we have been handed in battle by Mictlan and much like the first, the vast majority of our best troops survived the battle and things will be quickly turned around although unfortunately this time they were scattered to 4 different provinces including one under R'lyeh's dominion driving our commanders insane so perhaps not as quickly as the last defeat turned around.

The loss of our prophet and a few commanders was really the only major setback to come from the battle. While Mictlan possesed a 2 to 1 numerical advantage in the battle with both commanders and troops in the final tally of who was left standing T'ien Ch'i would have had the stronger position if all troops had been in one single province.

As for adjusting our tactics, Mictlan will soon get a taste of the revision in our tactics and see a few fireworks coming from the other side of the battlefield. They will never again posses the land that they held at the beginning of our conflict. And soon they will control little land at all with Abysia to follow them.

[Lingchih]

Well, hopefully each one of the staling teams can play for each other for now.

We need to keep this game moving.

I've had some good allies come in for me in the past. I will call in some favors. Anyone want to see Xietor in this game? Cause he owes me.

[AreaOfEffect]

Only if he agrees to a permanent non-aggression treaty against me. :)

[Lingchih]

Ahh, never mind. He quit playing. Sorry.

[DrPraetorious]

Xietor quit playing? When/where did he say that?

The server appears to be up, but I can't take my turn (dom3 process is going, but hasn't eaten much CPU time). I'll try again in the morning. If I need to restart it'll be restarted with 48 hrs on the timer.

Incidentally, I did a cursory check and saw no obvious evidence of cheating, and would prefer not to dig closer as it is a pain.

[Lingchih]

Should have been more clear. Xietor is in the process of quitting Dominions. He is finishing his current games, but not taking on any new ones.

[DrPraetorious]

I went ahead and set Ermor to AI. Frank has set Agartha to AI.

Thanks for their excellent effort - in spite of our recent resurgence, I don't think I have much of a chance of doing better :(.

[Zeldor]

I don't want the new patch!

P.S. Agartha is really tough nation, but his pretender design was risky and quite strange...

[PsiSoldier]

I went ahead and set Ermor to AI. Frank has set Agartha to AI.

Thanks for their excellent effort - in spite of our recent resurgence, I don't think I have much of a chance of doing better :(.

Bleh.. I dont want you out of the game. I'm still hoping you will accept my offer. But if not I'll soon have the largest army you have seen yet assembled very soon with plenty of evocation to back it up. And it will be heading directly to your capital. No more pussy footing around.

[DrPraetorious]

When you knock a player out of convention - which you have done, unless I can beat this major army of yours, and probably even then - it's highly unreasonable to expect them to stay around in order to help you win.

In fact, I've never seen it happen. People either stop playing, or stick around long enough to do you as much damage as possible. The game is enough work to play that no-one wants to spend time doing turns unless they're playing to win.

[PsiSoldier]

Sigh.. I would have hoped you might have seen it as a chance for you to still be part of the victory yourself. In the end it will likely come down to R'lyeh kicking my *** once everyone else is out which is rapidly beginning to happen. Mictlan and its amphibious Rain warriors was probably R'lyeh's greatest threat in this game and I have effectively removed that threat paving the way to a victory for R'leyh / Man.

I have no illusions here, I may be able to largely dominate the land but in the end I will have no way to take the sea without heavy use of magic. And even then its doubtfull. With Ermor and Agartha gone I have no doubt that Ulm, Man and R'leyh will all soon rival me on land. I dont really know what Pythium and Marginon are doing (If Pythium hasnt been flat out staling every turn) and I guess Bogorus is just trying to hang in there. I suppose I'll start trying to gobble up some of the Agartha Ermor AI Provinces soon before they are all gone. But my point was that I saw the offer to you as being more than just You = my slave and more of an equal rights kind of deal. Though I would have certainly liked to have taken some credit. :D

But as I said from the beginning if you don't see it that way I'll just take you out and soldier on the best that I can, thick headed barbarians that we T'ien Ch'i are...

[Lingchih]

Is this server being upgraded to the new patch?

[Lingchih]

Sigh.. I would have hoped you might have seen it as a chance for you to still be part of the victory yourself. In the end it will likely come down to R'lyeh kicking my *** once everyone else is out which is rapidly beginning to happen. Mictlan and its amphibious Rain warriors was probably R'lyeh's greatest threat in this game and I have effectively removed that threat paving the way to a victory for R'leyh / Man.

I have no illusions here, I may be able to largely dominate the land but in the end I will have no way to take the sea without heavy use of magic. And even then its doubtfull. With Ermor and Agartha gone I have no doubt that Ulm, Man and R'leyh will all soon rival me on land. I dont really know what Pythium and Marginon are doing (If Pythium hasnt been flat out staling every turn) and I guess Bogorus is just trying to hang in there. I suppose I'll start trying to gobble up some of the Agartha Ermor AI Provinces soon before they are all gone. But my point was that I saw the offer to you as being more than just You = my slave and more of an equal rights kind of deal. Though I would have certainly liked to have taken some credit. :D

But as I said from the beginning if you don't see it that way I'll just take you out and soldier on the best that I can, thick headed barbarians that we T'ien Ch'i are...

It seems strange that you did not even mention the conquerors of Ermor, Ulm and Pangaea. Also, Bogarus is huge, for your information, and getting bigger.

[PsiSoldier]

I did mention Ulm right along with R'lyeh and Man. Bogarus's status however I was unaware about. From reading other posts in this thread I was under the impression that Bogarus was not doing too great, at least given the weak nature of their troops. As for Pan, it sounds as if Ermor managed to cause some damage there before they were finally defeated.

Ive not witnessed any of Ulm or Pangaeas battles with Ermor or Agartha though Only R'lyeh, man and Bogorus's battles. Although from Man's reports most of the credit goes to Ulm. I dont have quite the extensive network of scouts and spies that some of the other nations like Man posses so my info may be a bit sketchy.

[Lingchih]

Yes, most of the credit goes to Ulm. They did the heavy lifting.

But, hey, Pan is not bad.

[AreaOfEffect]

You need to go no further then the Hall of Fame to see the damage that Pangaea has inflicted. They do deserve some credit.

[Zeldor]

Is the server down? I cannot connect.

[Micah]

yep, it's down, guessing someone tried to connect after patching.

[Unoptimized]

Hey, sorry about my absence from the forum. Things have been a bit hectic. At any rate, I wanted to thank you all for the excellent game. I had one hell of a time, and I learned a great deal.

Thanks for the AI Dr. P, I was honestly considering doing it myself, as really there was not much I could do against what was being sent my way.

In other news, I can't wait untill the rest of you get to see what I was dealing with at the end. I'm officially endorsing the Ulm/Pan team ;).

I forgot to mention, Micah and Ling, you guys were fantastic opponents. And, I guess Bog had a nice flying statue ;).

[Micah]

Endorsement? Bah, I want some gems! Or at least some income from all the land we took.

[PsiSoldier]

Hrrrm so does anyone know the status of the server? I'm guessing maybe the issue is that you cannot connect to the server until its patched?? Or is something else going on.

I just don't want to have to keep checking the server every few hours if it will be down for a day or two.

[Zeldor]

I don't think having patched or non-patched version should matter in connecting to the server [I didn't patch yet]. It should just crash the game when you get next file [but get it] and try to run it without patching [assuming server will patch]. It would be also strange if patched turn crashed unpatched server before hosting.

[DrPraetorious]

GP is indeed updating the server.

I don't know for sure but I imagine it will be up fairly soon.

[Lingchih]

Good game Unoptimized. You had me on the ropes for a while.

[DrPraetorious]

Oh, right, bash. Have to disown. Sorry about that.

It's up and running.

[Lingchih]

Who is still playing this game? I know Ermor and Agartha are out, and Pythium is not being played, and I think that perhaps Mari is not being played either at this point.

[Revolution]

That would be rather unfortunate if we've lost mari and pythium...they still control a lot of land as far as I know.

[Lingchih]

Well, we have less than two hours left, after like a four day hosting period, and Mari still hasn't played his turn.

[DrPraetorious]

The Pythium and Marignon team needs subs, then.

I'll post a thread - if we can't find a new team in a few turns, I'll set them to AI.

[James243]

Sorry guys - been a rough week. I'm definitely back though - really sorry.

That's a bummer about nozshand...i guess i'll just play on in the meantime. i'd rather someone sub rather than me do his turns though.

[Lingchih]

Did anyone actually set Ermor to AI? Looks like the are still player controlled (doing nothing).

[DrPraetorious]

Yeah, I did.

Maybe the turn didn't post b/c I played two different positions with the same CD key? I thought this had been fixed but maybe not - can some random stranger please set Ermor to AI? Maybe the external IP address of the connection I'm using changes and the game thought it was... I dunno.

[Zeldor]

Ermor is still not AI. And I guess Pythium needs to be set AI [didn't TC grab most of his lands already?].

[PsiSoldier]

No, I had a NAP with Pythium. Havent attacked even though he's been AWOL

[PsiSoldier]

Errrr if Jame's is still playing Marginon though why doesnt he just take over Pythium until a sub can be found. It would really screw him over if his Teammate suddenly went AI and attacked him.

[AreaOfEffect]

Indeed, it would be very hard to justify setting a nation to AI in a team game. Considering the impact, it's almost like setting both nations to AI if the live player has to contend with his "buddy".

[Zeldor]

Well, it should be MAri's task to get sub for his teammate or play for him till he gets one [or in worst case conquer his lands].

[Lingchih]

I think it is Mari's plan to just attack pythium himself, and take his lands, rather than having to play both turns.

[Zeldor]

Huh, Agartha got the most impressive AI I have ever seen! Huh, I wonder why the human player didn't use all things that Agartha throws at me.

[DrPraetorious]

I believe that he was saving his strength for a concerted counterattack, but didn't bother executing because his ally dropped out. Not sure, though.

[PsiSoldier]

So your out Dr. P? Good game man, you put up a hell of a fight. Its too bad you didnt get to see my communion working right though in our last battle since I forgot the Astral pearls but Ive fixed that now.

I still wish you had been on my team.. We could have owned. :D

[Unoptimized]

If by dropped out you mean was VICIOUSLY cut down, then yes, I dropped out.

[Lingchih]

If by dropped out you mean was VICIOUSLY cut down, then yes, I dropped out.

Yes, Ermor did not drop out, for the record. He was quite viciously killed by Ulm (and Pan, to some extent).

[Hadrian_II]

Hear! Hear! Citizens of Abysia

The nation we were allied to, has fallen. But we can now clearly see that it was an error from the beginning. The weak and feeble Mictlan People where never worthy to fight side by side with us.

By Order of Heleon, God of Gods and King of Kings everyone in a position of power who was a proponent of this alliance, that was almost our downfall, has been thrown back into the Smouldercone. Please dont think, Heleon personally is taking care of our future. Your local Chiefs will be soon replaced, and the war with the proud and noble nations of Tien Chi and Jomon is coming to an end.

Heleon personnaly signed the paper of Alliance with them, so Abysia finally has worthy allies.

P.S. bye DrP, it was as always an honor to fight with you :D

[Micah]

Well, that's interesting, never would have expected so many teams (2 so far) to keep chugging along after one of their number got knocked out.

[PsiSoldier]

Given new events that have taken place within the past few hours and several communications between myself and my new teammate chrispedersen who has taken over Jomon he has asked me to request a 4 hour delay for hosting time.

At this point in time I doubt anyone will have time to react to this request and grant the extension but if it is possible to give a delay it would be greatly appreciated.

[chrispedersen]

Now that peace has broken out, its a good time for me to bow out.
Good luck and good gaming all!

[PsiSoldier]

Ok Jomon will be headed by Executor from this point out.

Thanks again Chris. Sorry if we had a few differences but I appreciate the help.

[DrPraetorious]

Obviously I failed to notice the request for an extension - sorry about that. Good luck to everyone.

I'm going to start setting stale positions to AI soon - who all needs to be set to AI?

[Zeldor]

Pythium, I guess. He has staled last 10-15 [ouch!] turns and his lands are not getting conquered by his neighbours [not even a teammate, huh].

[PsiSoldier]

Errrr actually it looks to me like Ulm has been gobbling up Pythiums province's like taking Candy from a baby.

Which has me a bit worried. So by all means set him to AI to give Ulm a little bit of a challenge at least.

[Micah]

Well, he's not using them! =)

[Executor]

Hello all, I've taken over Jomon.

One stupid question perhaps, haven't played many network games.
Shouldn't there be some sort of password protection?
I mean to me it look that anyone can look at anyones turn.

[AreaOfEffect]

It is something the players forgot to do (thanks llamaserver). We've been on the honor system, so be honorable.

[Executor]

Honor system?
Sorry if I do not put so much faith in people but many players rarely honor even NAPs not to mention the ability to see the other players turn.

Psi just told me that Gandalf can check if someone is cheating, so I assume that means if someone downloaded some turn besides his own.

Well at least I can look at my allies turn.

[DrPraetorious]

Failing to honor an NAP is *not* cheating. It's dishonorable but within the rules, absolutely.

Looking at another player's turn w/out permission *is* cheating. The server records (with a timestamp) whenever someone connects. I can match that up with connection logs but it's a major pain. Generally speaking, there has been only one download of each turn per turn cycle, so if someone has been spying on turns, it certainly hasn't been widespread.

That said, if I'd been more on the ball when the game started, I would've reminded people to set passwords - the start of the game was delayed to a very inconvenient time for me, and I uploaded the wrong pretender file myself. There wasn't much interest in trying to restart.

[Zeldor]

We should have restarted when it was discovered after 1st turn. But I really doubt someone was/is cheating and looking at someones turn. At least I hope so.

[Executor]

I know dishonoring a NAP isn't cheating, but I assume people get tempted to check the turn. It's like catching a glimpse of a test your about to do.

I'm just saying you can't expect people to play fair all the time.

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Generally speaking, there has been only one download of each turn per turn cycle, so if someone has been spying on turns, it certainly hasn't been widespread.

I'm not really familiar with network games but I assume it can be checked whos turn someone downloaded? For example if I downloaded my and my ally turn?

[Lingchih]

You can't look at my turn Exe. I used a condom.

Seriously though, no one has been cheating. It's a bit messed-up, but everyone has been honorable. After all, do you really want to win a game that you have cheated in?

[Executor]

I hope it remains that way.

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After all, do you really want to win a game that you have cheated in?

Huh, ask that the player who got kicked out for cheating in KingMaker.

[Zeldor]

Kingmaker? There was a cheater in Victoria.

[Executor]

Well I don't know some large game where they put him to AI and nobody can kill the AI now.

[DrPraetorious]

I'm not really familiar with network games but I assume it can be checked whos turn someone downloaded? For example if I downloaded my and my ally turn?

Oh, yeab, several people (myself included) have been set up to download their turn and their ally's turn at the same time - I filter those out when looking for inconsistent downloads.

It would be possible to scheme the system in such a way that it would be hard for me to tell that something was wrong - but it'd be a lot of work.

[PsiSoldier]

Ok, Marginon has disregarded our NAP and attacked unprovoked without canceling the NAP first. His forces are pathetic however and will be easily crushed.. I suppose his sneak attack may have actually just been a suicide attempt to get me to take him out of the game..

Well that is whats going to happen now.

[Zeldor]

R'lyeh confirms - Marignon is ruled by madmen, even without our dominion there! They are doing suicidal things for some time. We may need to replace their madness with our madness. Better version of madness of course.

[PsiSoldier]

Hahaha I just noticed they attacked me with Belphegor the Lord of Hell and their Moloch pretender. My sacred troops will eat them both alive in mere seconds. That is if my Province Defense alone doesn't kill them first.

Its ok though R'lyeh need not get involved Nor the Land greedy nation of Ulm T'ien Ch'i has already dispatched Sacred riders to towards the border of Marginon and the last of Mictlan's province's will fall VERY soon (Given the fact that two of his forts strangely dissapeared for no Apparent reason this turn meaning we do not need to siege them) allowing our Huge Northern army to move south.

I love it.

[Executor]

Jomon will be joining this holy crusade against the evil devil worshipers. :)

[AreaOfEffect]

We are only waiting on Pythium. They should be set to AI and then we will know if the quickhost is still on. I personally can't remember the last time a turn happened in less then the maximum turn cycle.

[Lingchih]

Yes, all the staling has definitely turned what was a fun game into a real grind. Hopefully all the stalers are AI or dead now.

[PsiSoldier]

Ok, I will be leaving for Thanksgiving traveling 13 Hours to my Grandmothers house in Illinois where I will not have access to internet or my computer from Wed. tomorrow until Sunday night.

If the game can be delayed until My return that would be great. Or if not then hopefully Executor can sub for me somewhat But I'd like to see the game delayed so I do not miss anything important.

I see there is only 4 hours left until it hosts this turn so hopefully I can go ahead and get this next turn done before I leave and it could be delayed after that until my return which would hopefully only be about an additional 48 hours maybe a bit more if this next turn goes the entire 48

[Lingchih]

Get your turn done before you leave Psi, pretty please/

[Micah]

I'm with Psi, I'll try to get my turn done tonight/tomorrow before I leave, but I won't be back til Sunday night.

[Lingchih]

After the host tonite, we might as well just hold til Monday or so. American players are mostly on a holiday.

[DrPraetorious]

I'll turn off the hosting timer after the current turn hosts, and then turn it back on again on Monday?

It'd be nice if some good samaritan would log on and start setting positions to AI. I will do so once I'm eliminated :).

[Lingchih]

I think we are good to go for Monday. Everyone seems to be back (that is, those who are coming back).

Let's try to get this baby finished by Christmas or so, eh? It's been a long game, and we are all getting tired of it.

[DrPraetorious]

Well, you could all just surrender to me, since you have no chance anyway.

Timer is set back to 48 hrs.

[Lingchih]

Hey, bug out, Tien Chi. This is not your war.

[Lingchih]

AAR.

The small and seemingly insignificant nation of Pangaea had survived the onslaught of Ermor and Agartha. They were sorely tested, but with the help of their god Hysteria, they beat back the undead hordes, and with the help of their ally Ulm, defeated them. Many of their lands were rendered dead and infertile, but the end was achieved.

But, while this war had been going on, the Pan mages conceived of a new plan. This plan was too reanimate the corpses of the old, revered Pans of the past, and re-unite them with their immortal souls. And so, the Carrion Lords were born.

The Carrion Lords are terrible to behold, and they command vast armies of raised manniken. When these armies were ready, they set out to conquer the lands of the blasphemers Pythium and Marignon. Their deadly sleep vines tear even the mightiest heroes to shreds.

Now, Pangaea means to make a name for itself in the history of the Great Nations. No longer just a support force for Ulm, they will conquer vast lands of their own.

Hysteria be praised!

[Micah]

Quiet you, now get back in the kitchen and make me a sammich!

Sincerely,
-Ulm

[Lingchih]

Make your own sammich, sir! We may fight with you, but we do not cook for you.

That said, we just made a really good harpie sammich. Roasted harpy with lettuce, tomatoes and cheese, on a sourdough bun. You should stop by and try one.

[Lingchih]

December bump.

Heh. That was a joke. But it did get the thread moved back onto the first page.

[Micah]

I'm out of town for the weekend and might need an extension. My ally has told me that my turns hurt his head, so asking him to sub for a bit might not work out so well.

He can't even make a decent sammich...

=)

[Zeldor]

I'd support 24h more for the turn, I won't have much time during the weekend.

[AreaOfEffect]

While reviewing my allies situation I inadvertently ended the turn rather then quit without saving. I'm sure Zeldor wants to take the reins on this next turn. That said, can we either turn Quickhost off for the moment or somehow remove the turn orders for Ry'leh.

[DrPraetorious]

Deleted.

Send me a pm (just one, plz) when something like this happens as I don't check the thread religiously.

[Lingchih]

I'm more than fine with an extension. Please don't make me play Micah's turn.

[Zeldor]

You must be happy you didn't survive in KM after all? :) Some people have really huge empires.

[Lingchih]

Yes, I like small games. When the turn report takes me half an hour just to read it all, that's too much. And, needless to say, I never play LA Ermor. It's been a while, but as I recall, I basically suicided myself in Kingmaker.

[DrPraetorious]

Does anyone besides Lingchih wan't an extension? If I see three or more requests (arbitrary number I just made up), then I'll turn the host timer off for a while.

[Zeldor]

I could use 24h more to do my turn properly.

[Lingchih]

Sorry about the stale. My turn is in early this time.

[Lingchih]

And my turn is in even earlier this time.

Not hard to do turns, when all you are doing is whomping on a dead AI nation.

[Zeldor]

Wanna change? :)

[AreaOfEffect]

Your doing more then just that Lingchih. I here you and Ulm haven't had much success with a few of your scouting parties.

[Lingchih]

Yeah, found out the hard way that Carrion Lords are not really very stealthy.

[Executor]

I think it's about time that everyone teamed up on Ulm and Pangaea, since they control half the map and have the ultimate gateway, which is probably why they control half the map.

Anyone?

[Micah]

We have the ultimate gateway? Man, why didn't I notice that? I must suck at this game. Thanks for letting me know about it, I'll go double check my turns now!

We also don't control half the map, in case anyone was in the business of believing what Executor is saying.

[Executor]

You just had to ruin my plan to start a World War against you!
Do not believe Ulm, they do hold the Ultimate Gateway!

[Micah]

Wanna bet a concession on it? I'll show you my turn, but then you have to go AI. =)

[Executor]

Damn, there goes my perfect plan...
I'll have to do it the old fashion way now, gold, gems and item support for those who declare war on Ulm and Pangaea.

[Zeldor]

What hosting we will have for Christmas? I think we can do 2 turns before.

P.S. What's Ultimate Gateway?

[Zeldor]

Executor:

I don't think there are many people left to bribe :) I am disappointed in Mari/Pyth team, I expected much more from their turtling.

And Micah did an amazing job in that game, but still too early to congratulate him :)

[Lingchih]

What? No praise for Ulm's cute little sidekick, Pangaea?

I'm insulted.

[Executor]

Nah, I don't put up much hope for this game anyway, Jomon was pretty weak when I took over.

Ultimate gateway - 50% conjuration bonus.

[Lingchih]

Surrender?

[Zeldor]

Could I get a 24h extension? It's Christmas preparation time and it's hard to find enough time to sit in front of computer and do the turn properly.

[Micah]

Ulm will take the lead and agree to Pangaea's demands for surrender, it's been hard fought, but we really think his team deserves to win. Anyone else with me? =)

[Revolution]

Could I get a 24h extension? It's Christmas preparation time and it's hard to find enough time to sit in front of computer and do the turn properly.

For that matter could we just go on break until early january?

[Lingchih]

You probably need to PM Dr. Praetorious directly if you need an extension. I don't think he reads this post anymore.

[Zeldor]

crap, I don't like server games, I started to do the turn, did "quit without saving" with 3 nations to do the turn and some time later came back to do the turn and I got the new turn :/ and it said that my turn won't be submitted, huh

Lingchich:

I PMed him about 10-15h ago.

[DrPraetorious]

Host interval should now be off.

[Micah]

Alright, in all seriousness at this point Ulm/Pangaea are asking for a concession. We have a total of 188 provinces (almost half the map) as well as 4 discount sites (not the ultimate gateway though, I wasn't lying on that). I just finished my research out this turn, and have well over 300 gems a turn coming in, 65 of them in D, which has led to a proliferation of tartarians. I also of course have the Ulmish forge bonus as well as pretty much all of the artifacts worth having now that I wished my gate stone back. Blood income is something like 125/turn, gold is at 6683 this turn.

I've been destroying TC since I started in on him 3 turns ago, the best he's managed is to hold me to a modest 4 province gain on turn 2 when he was poised for a counterattack. Turns 1 and 3 of the fight both yielded about 15 provinces for me. He's inflicted no significant casualties on me, and I've been spending far less than my monthly income on fighting him, the best he's done is scare off a couple of my SCs and lasted long enough to 50-turn rout a third after losing 25 of his sacreds. (one due to the extra cold weather fatigue and one because I guessed poorly on movement and ran into a pile of mages...that one really should have died, in all fairness, but he got surrounded by TC's phantasmal units that had MR resist attacks and was able to recover from the lightning stun damage. He ended up lasting long enough for a third of TCs mages to kill themselves with their communion before hitting turn limit, so even that worked out alright).

Revolution has pledged to keep fighting rlyeh instead of ganging us, so the possibility of a full-game ganging isn't in the cards, which is the only way we could lose at this point IMO, hence the request, since spending hours on my turns for what has essentially become mop up is not much fun.

Thanks,
-Micah

[Lingchih]

Yes, I don't see anyway anyone can stop us. I am quite a bit weaker than Micah, but I am still very strong. And my Vine Armies, more powerful than ever, are moving into enemy lands. I'm ready for a vote count.

Unless you diehards want to fight it out. It will be long, and bloody, and worthless in the end.

[AreaOfEffect]

I could use a change of scenery.

Besides, my perception of LA Man and how they ought to be played has changed so dramatically that I just don't enjoy playing this version of them at all. Its more like work then a game at this point.

[Zeldor]

As I said to Micah on IRC - if he wins with TC/Jomon/Abysia I won't prolong the game. Even if my nations is theoretically stronger, it can't even partly cover the difference in provs, summoning power etc.

[Hadrian_II]

Abysia has technically already lost, so we dont care if it ends or not.
(but we are still sure, that we would have been able to kill jomon in the end :))

[Revolution]

I am willing to concede to Ulm/Pan...I think it's pretty much up to the eastern alliance on if they think they can still take em/ want to fight to the bitter end.

[PsiSoldier]

I'm not ready to concede yet... I'll let you know in a few turns. Some things are in the cards that could change things a little bit.

[Executor]

I'm good either way, I've been around here for a dozen turns only so I will not be the one to prolong this game if it becomes a fruitless battle against Ulm.

[PsiSoldier]

If you want to surrender to me though I'd be happy to accept :D

Yeah, I cannot even come close to you in Gem income but I see weakness in your attacks and if I can survive a few more turns I will be able to turn it against you and kill most or all of your SC's that I have seen. I relied too much on my Sacred units and that has nearly been my downfall. I had hoped that with a D9 bless they would be able to take on SC's much more effectively but that is not the case here particularly with Tartarains when Afflictions chance is based on %dmg of Total hitpoints taken.

Anyways the next few turns could be fun. If you break my back though I have no problem conceding and getting on to the next game. But you have not done that yet.

Ive learned from this game that taking a huge bless while taking bad scales is not good in a map this large. In a smaller map where you can finish everyone off quickly or at least had Non capital sacred troops to recruit it would serve you much better. But Capital only sacreds and the worst possible scales combined Is not good when the map is large enough for people to get into the late game magic especially when you have horrible drain and crappy research. But at least Ive learned something here.

[Micah]

Oh, fiesty.

Well, I think you're sorely mistaken, but I don't mind proving it if you're really convinced you can stage some sort of comeback. I made my request, it's well within your rights to refuse it if you believe you have good grounds for it, so let's settle this in-game. I'm kind of curious what you're planning, but of course you can't really say at the moment...Mind enlightening me when the game's done if it doesn't become evident shortly?

[PsiSoldier]

It will become evident shortly...

Although I still have absolutely no means to match your insane gem income but I'm not going to just give up without a fight and the fight has barely started.

[Lingchih]

Are we going to play another turn over the holidays? Looks like the timer is off, but 5 nations yet to turn in. It would be nice to get one turn in over the holidays, anyway.

[Lingchih]

Holiday bump. Hey you have some free time, I know. Do a turn.

[Lingchih]

Well, it looks like not everyone is going to do their turn, and so, after the 1st, this game will probably be set back to 48 hour timer. So, we can expect the next turn due on Jan. 4th? Kind of Lame, but OK.

[DrPraetorious]

I'll turn the timer back on whenever requested. Most other games seem to be restarting at about the 1st or 2nd.

[Zeldor]

I should do the turn tomorrow. That yesterday party was crazy.

[Lingchih]

OK DrP. Thanks. Could we turn the timer on again on the 1st? I think a week long host should do for most of us.

Damn, I so wish to get into the fight. My ally is taking everything.

Must I cast the Spell??

[Micah]

The Make Sammich spell? Yes, get on that.

=)

[Lingchih]

Yes, sammiches will rain down on all the kingdoms of the world. Mostly ham, but some turkey sammiches too.

[Lingchih]

I PM'd DrP to turn turn the timer back on. Hopefully it will be back on today. Time to get this game over.

[DrPraetorious]

Timer should be set to 48h now.

[Micah]

Combined Ulm/Pan province count: 195

Are we done now that the brilliant TC "Call of the Winds" spam strategy has failed?

[Zeldor]

Huh, I was sure I have more time to submit my turn. Crap.

[Lingchih]

Well, I am sweeping into former Marignon territories this turn. So the prov count will only go greater. No one is attacking me or defending against me.

I would say the game is done, but will wait until Psi has his say. It would be kind of cool to finally see my vine armies in action.

[Lingchih]

Please let us know, PsiSoldier, if you are continuing the game.

[Zeldor]

Could I get 24h extension? I staled last turn and I have big mess to clean and not enough time.

[AreaOfEffect]

T'ien Ch'i
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"The province contains about 190 hostile units. The army consists of Mainly Demon Knights, Zweihanders, Ghoul Guardians, Rangers of Ulm, and Earth Gnomes. 7 Huge Tartarian Titans were seen towering over the army. Several Monstrums could be seen flying over the army camp. The province has not organized any local defense. There is a Fortified City located here. The fortified City must be sieged and conquered if we are to take full control of this province."

Ulm is up one more capitol. Its pretty ridicules once tartarian start being used as chaff units.

Edit: For those of you with a limited perspective, I've attached an image of the map with just flags and forts. This is basically what I'm seeing.

[Micah]

I don't ask for concessions lightly. I'm pulling in almost 100 D per turn and sitting on a 20% conj site, so that's 12 tartarian summons a turn (more like 6 in reality so I can pop off 12 ghost riders or so though). I also have the steel ovens, on top of Ulm's forge bonus, so I'm paying 40% of base price with hammers. The Hammer of the Forge Lord means I can make a ring of wizardry for something like 10 pearls.

I think I just took TC's cap without a single casualty. They routed on turn 2 or 3, and my casters decide not to burn gems on the fight if that tells you anything.

TC hasn't taken a province in the past 2 turns. Nor do I think he's successfully defended one from an assault. I also believe we crossed the 50% province threshold this turn. Can we please call this game now? I feel like I'm playing SP.

[Lingchih]

Well, I just had a look at Micah's turn, and I believe he could easily defeat all remaining nations, including me, his ally, quite easily. His forces are ungodly. Half of them aren't even in use.

Time for this game to end folks.

[Lingchih]

PsiSoldier has conceded the game to the Ulm/Pan team (in a PM to me).

Good game all.

[Zeldor]

I guess we can take a look at each others turns now, as most of us didn't put a password.

I was way too small to do anything - and I don't think I could have done much more to change it. I could of course move and win that war with Bogarus now, but that would change nothing. I had about 4k pop left at my cap - I think R'lyeh is not as strong as people consider it. All that freespawn combined with domkill are rather a weakness because you cannot make good use of them. Aquatic ones are decent, but what? You are not going to use them anyway. And amphibian ones are really really weak. You can try using things like Army of Gold on them, but they eat so much income that you don't have enough gold for blue starspawns, that could cast it in communion. I really think MA R'lyeh is really better nation in mid and late game. And maps in MA usually have much more land [and if you are in mid-game you have 2-3 caps, so gold!].

[Revolution]

Good Game everyone

[AreaOfEffect]

Good Game. Congrats to Ulm and Pangaea.