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[K]

Server: LlamaServer (automated play-by-email, FAQ below)
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showthreaded.php?Number=531116
Hosting interval: Initially 24 hours, 48 at Turn 20, 72 at 50
Age: Early
Graphs: On
Settings: Default except for renaming on, Magic Site at 55% (+10%, which tends to mean that people generally get the gem types they need)
Mods: None (non-negotiable)
Map: 10 land provinces per person. Basically, it is a little larger than Medium Random(learned my lesson from DarkParadise). I'll generate a few and choose home provinces that don't suck.
Players: 8+ (I'll close once 8+ is reached)
Rules: Anything goes. Unless you are hacking files or spamming email/mail, any tactic allowed by the game is considered fair game.

Exception: If you make a Pact with someone, record it in the game thread with the Turn (and record when you end it). If you don't want to record it for any reason (eg. secret pact), then there shouldn't be any complaining about pact-breakers in the game thread.

Nation--Player:
Lanka - K
Hinnon - archaeolept
Neifleheim - Executor
Pangaea - Deadnature
Ry'leh - PsiSoldier
Mictlan - mighty_scoop
Abysia - Aapeli
Fomoria - DonCorazon

[archaeolept]

i'll try the new guys... hinnom... though i am extremely rusty and barely know what a spell is

[K]

That's fine. Baalz's strategy guide on them is pretty comprehensive (and he did just school me with Hinnon in the last game).

[Executor]

Hinnom chosen so soon...
Niefelheim for me.

[archaeolept]

heh, they have some ok troops ;p

i like the look of those chariots http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

[Deadnature]

sign me up for Pangea if you don't mind

[Executor]

I like them more because of all the magic paths they have, and the horrors they easily send, and dawn guards and many many other thing, but like the Neifels also!

[Lingchih]

Wow, Lanka, Hinnom, Nief. Nothing but heavy hitters. I guess you guys don't like a challenge, eh? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[archaeolept]

hey, still some hvy hitters left... mictlan, helheim... sauromatia is no slouch

hopefully there are 8 of them :p

mind you, I haven't actually played an MP game in EA (other than a blitz today), but it looks like it has no lack of power nations

[PsiSoldier]

Never done MP before but I'll join with Mictlan, though Ive never played them before my current Single player game right now.. but my favs have already been picked =/

Unless we can have underwater nations in which case I suppose I'd choose R'lyeh since it may be good to have some extra breathing room for my first MP game.

[mighty_scoop]

I would play R'lyeh or if the poster before wants to play them i would take Mictlan instead of him.

I'm a mp newbie, so hope it will be fine for you that a join.

Edit : I would prefer R'lyeh

[K]

PsiSoldier seems to have called Ryleh first.

Mightly_scoop, is Mictlan OK?

[Executor]

This is gonna turn into a newbie vs experienced players game,
I like it! Newbies unite!!!
Just hope I don't get swarmed again like in Paladin.

[archaeolept]

^^ yah, it's a bit problematic. I can send mictlan advice to whomever takes that - help get a good bless engine going...

[Executor]

Any tactic allowed by the game is considered fair game.

K , Does this include bugs like move and patrol, and to copy/paste Bogus orders and say use ethereal crossbow cause that would be so good!!!

[K]

Executor said:
Any tactic allowed by the game is considered fair game.

K , Does this include bugs like move and patrol, and to copy/paste Bogus orders and say use ethereal crossbow cause that would be so good!!!



Yes. I'd rather just play the game rather than try to enforce rules that are unenforceable.

That being said, the Move and Patrol bug was fixed a while back, and none of the remaining bugs actually affect the game much.

For example, Bogus's orders are actually not that good against real armies. I've experimented with them extensively and never even had an opponent notice them being used. They were that bad. If you consider that anyone can get them, I don't think it's unfair in any way.

[Aapeli]

I shall choose Abysia.

[Executor]

Well it could be a disaster against SC like Seraph,
you send in a couple of scouts with ethereal crossbow or something like that, and sooner or later you're gonna kill someone very important.
Just hope I make it that far!

[JimMorrison]

Executor said:
Well it could be a disaster against SC like Seraph,
you send in a couple of scouts with ethereal crossbow or something like that, and sooner or later you're gonna kill someone very important.
Just hope I make it that far!



In the case of such an SC, more often than not they are alone. So, not sure who else your guys are going to be shooting at. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[DonCorazon]

I'll give Helheim a run if there is still a spot.

[K]

Ok, it looks like we have our eight. Here are the map files.

I've contacted llamabest and when he sets up the game to accept pretenders I'll change the first message and send everyone an IM from this site.

Looks like a fun mix!

[DonCorazon]

May be an issue with the map - I am unable to move to any provinces in a couple test runs with it.

[archaeolept]

I can move just fine in my test. :wtf:

edit: no, you're right - only provinces directly connected to my capital have connectivity, and only to my capital. very weird http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif

further investigation: new game; restarted dom and created a new name... it is still only that one province (that was my starting province in my first try) that has any connectivity. Province 82

Ok, looking in the .map file... only those neighbours are listed lol... file was truncated perhaps?

[Executor]

So, I'm guessing we'll be waiting a little more with the pretenders...

[K]

Uh, the map is FUBARed. I'll make a new one and resend to llamabeast.

[DonCorazon]

Anyone mind if I switch to Fomoria? Been trying to mess around with Helheim and am not a big fan. If it is a prob, I'll stick with Helheim. Thanks.

[K]

Ok, new map. Hopefully, it's not FUBARed.

[archaeolept]

Don - i can't imagine there's a problem. Helheim is pretty good though http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

oh course their troops are expensive and somewhat fragile, and they don't have such great magic diversity

edit: looks like you've been updated to formoria,

K?

also, map seems to be fine

[DonCorazon]

archaeolept:
Yeah, I have never played Helheim but knew it was strong and given all the other heavy hitters - Lanka, Big N, Hin just picked it out of the blue. But in messing around I saw it's not really the type of nation I like. Not magically diverse as you noted and its good mages are cap-only and non-sacred.

So looks like K updated me to Fomoria so I'm good to go.
Looking forward to this game!

[K]

Ok, it looks we are set up to accept pretenders. I'm using a beta feature of llamabeast's, so we may have a funny error and will need to resubmit.

It looks OK for now, so let's do it!

- E-mail the file to: pretenders[ at ]llamaserver[ dot ]net
- Crucially, you must have the game name in the subject line of your e-mail

[llamabeast]

You won't need to resubmit, in any case, since there's no reason pretender files should get lost.

I should think everything will run pretty much smoothly actually. *crosses fingers*

[Executor]

I had no idea making a pretender for Neifelheim would be so damn dificult, but I did it finally!!!
It'll either be brilliant or a disaster...

[archaeolept]

i recommend an awake site searching crone

[DonCorazon]

good to see the vets helping out the new guy! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[archaeolept]

just covering the "disaster" option :p

[Executor]

Thats one way to do it... but somehow super strong bless seems a little better, it took me about 4 bloody hours to decide what to make,
And why would you use the crone, I don't find very good, she has old age, only if your planning to cast twiceborn and make her a wight mage and if lucky get another death level when she dies.

[archaeolept]

lol it was not a serious suggestion Executor ;p

[Executor]

Damn you! Damn you to hell for joking with me!!!
Bur really, I'm playing a game where someone took a awake site searching pretender and he's doing good, well he was until he met me...

[K]

Wow. I just got boned by my own mapmaking skills. I have a province I forgot to mark "no start", so it only has three land neighbors.

Ouch.

[archaeolept]

three's not too awful... i once joined an mp game, using the Karan map, and started w/ one land neighbour - a wasteland surrounded by mountains that only had one egress, which was in turn two away from two enemy capitals...

[Aapeli]

Finally I shall practise my new strategy which I invented pretty much in the ten minutes I used in creating my pretender. Ok I should admit that the strategy hasnt been yet invented but shall develop during the course of the game (this sounds like I have yet again failed in making a long term plan http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif).

[PsiSoldier]

Eh, I think I know where you are.. sucks.. I'm playing a Single player game on the map and I see Pangea started there on my sp.

On the bright side if your where I think you are you have an area to expand into that no one can get to too easily without going past your capitol or flying or something..

[PsiSoldier]

Damned Bad luck on my first turn, cursed units and Unrest.. Gee wiz. Off to a great start.

[archaeolept]

cursed units is generally pretty irrelevant, unless they got an awake pretender, and usually it's a witch so you get a few gems. Unrest sucks.

If you took misfortune, you can't ***** about it though. If you took luck, you sure can http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[PsiSoldier]

Eh had Neutral Luck Scales, and Yeah I dont care about the curse, but the income hit sucks.

[Executor]

Well I'm off to a very bad start too, there are some really strong indies here...

[mighty_scoop]

Executor said:
Well I'm off to a very bad start too, there are some really strong indies here...



my initial army just got kicked by some jade maidens ... so yes ... i'm also in the bad start fraction :-(

[Executor]

I attacked a province which said 20 light heavy infantry, but it was really 20 heavy cavalry!!! Something alike happened in the next province too!?

[PsiSoldier]

Eh.. hope that doesn't happen with me given my already poor income situation. Though I sent my scout before I sent my army, hopefully my scout didn't lie or my army is dead. Guess I'll know when Fomoria completes its turn.

Misery loves company I guess.

[DonCorazon]

My turn is in. btw I am West Coast and unless I manage to get up earl,y which is rare, can't get to my turns til the evening. I'll do the next one tonight as well so I am not the hold up.

[PsiSoldier]

Ok so Im trying to find another MP game to join as this is my first and only MP game so far and I'm not having any luck finding one on the forums but yet I keep seeing new games starting on LlamaServer Do people just randomly join some of those games without there being a thread in the forum or what?

Where else do you find games to join?

[archaeolept]

some of those may be tests. just look on this forum is best - a whole bunch were just started so theirs a bit of surfeit.

don't join a game blind - who knows the rules. You would be kicked or set AI.

I know the one called Artifacts Forgery (where you start w/ artifacts) is probably still open - just post.

[Aapeli]

One possibility is to create a game of your own (its quite easy now thanks to llamabeast) but you shouldnt if there are already lots games going on as it might be hard to fill them. But you can always ask if theres intrest. I think there is an IRC channel for dominions but I wouldnt know much about that.

I dont think I got as bad start as you others did even when my scales include death, drain and, of course, heat 3 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif.

[PsiSoldier]

Good to see the site and forums are back up. The new look is a lot better I think.

[DonCorazon]

The foul smelling giants of Hinnom have launched an assault on the dainty, sweet smelling giants of Fomoria. If you are concerned about the astronomical lead Hinnom has in all charts, you might consider joining in on our defense. Alternatively, we could all just agree that Hinnom is the one true pretender now.

Fomoria chooses to fight, at least until they start eating us. That is pretty scary.

Cheers, DC of Fomoria

[Aapeli]

I no case what so ever is the nation of Citis going to just surrender whoever the foe is. We shall fight to the last lizard! But of course fortunately to us the nation of Hinnom is no where near us (I actually dont know where it is due to the complete absence of scouts in our recruits, I guess a lizard stands out too well in a crowd:D).

[DonCorazon]

well after seeing the first battles, i think this is going to be a quick one. Fomorian bookies have hinnom at 100:1.

[archaeolept]

the sneaky formorians are inz our gardens and stealing our cabbages!

[DonCorazon]

yeah, but they missed that 800gp temple :(

[archaeolept]

that was a really close fight... luckily i had some troop reinforcements passing through. It is certainly true that I think Hinnom PD needs to be nerfed (use their unarmored troops that no one ever buys as the pd) - that's the biggest issue w/ them IMO. also, some stat reductions on their troops, and lowering their preferred temp to heat-1 - those would go a long way to balancing them out

[DonCorazon]

i should have waited to be sure the coast was clear. but your vanilla troops are way tougher than I imagined! i think hinnom may earn the status of a nation that needs to be ganged up on immediately like LA Ermor...

[archaeolept]

hey, i'm losing internet connectivity at the place where i'm staying :(

so, even though otherwise i've been enjoying the good pace, if we could go to 48 hrs as per the game post, I would much appreciate it. I can't realistically do 24 hr hosting as d/ling and u/ling turns is going to be somewhat iffy

and the faithless micts are about to attack me ;)

[K]

No problem. It seems that all of my neighbors are trying to get a piece of me, so I forgot it was turn 20.

[Executor]

The grace of Niefelheim goes far, but will be abused by none!
This is the last warning to all in the Niefel land, leave now and you will be spared othervice we will order a full scale attack.
Niefelheim claims dominion over land Ralothia 55, Mitclan will either leave or will be killed, and Rlyeh will retreat underwater or suffer the same fate.
The Lord of Winter has spoken.

[DonCorazon]

Fomoria has been liberated in the first blow dealt to the cannibals of Hinnom. We call upon all Hinnom's neighbors to strike now while the evil brutes are forced to deal with the Fomorian insurgency!

And beware, Hinnom has taken control of the site that allows one to recruit Daoine Sidhe, so in addition to everything else, they now have stealthy, sacred, glamoured troops.

[archaeolept]

meh, i just buy the sidhe for kicks. i have no sneaky leaders, and a crap bless... so :)

[DonCorazon]

yeah, well I didn't get a massive flood of help with my last Call to Arms, so thought I'd throw in that tidbit. :)

[archaeolept]

yeah, well I didn't get a massive flood of help with my last Call to Arms, so thought I'd throw in that tidbit. :)
you got one of the strongest empires in the game to annul the just-created nap, and go to war against me... or you're needing more of a flood than that?

[mighty_scoop]

you got one of the strongest empires in the game to annul the just-created nap, and go to war against me... or you're needing more of a flood than that?

It is an honor to hear this from you ... but it is my first multiplayer war and first game with/vs Hinnon ever ... either i overestimated my units or i totally underestimated the Hinnon forces ... regardless of which you kicked my *** in our first battle.

You've won the battle but not the war ... i hope this one is true ;-)

[archaeolept]

that's true - you're one of the biggest empires from the score graphs, but not necessarily so experienced. I won that battle to about the same extent I had lost the battle against Formoria, when he finally decided to leave his walls :)

corazon was just overly whining for someone who just kicked my butt ;p

[DonCorazon]

nah, when i see someone leading in research, income, army, dominion, provinces...i think that whining is completely justified. :)

[Aapeli]

Whiners or not, you should beware the maybe not as mighty as few others but mighty still nation of Abysia. We started from the very corners of the world, far from harm, and shall cover the lands with our infernal flames....

Just little advertisement since Im not in the center of action here:D.

[DonCorazon]

Abysia's in this game? I was wondering what that warm glow out west was! :)

[PsiSoldier]

I think they are to the North east actually... North of Lanka. I could be wrong though I havent seen them yet, I guess if I conquered that Indy province I'd border them.

[Aapeli]

People really dont know about our existence? Then I guess we have the element of suprise...

[PsiSoldier]

Ok, I sent in my turn to the server but it is not updating and showing that I sent my turn in, nor has it given me a reciept to show I did so.

[archaeolept]

yah, something's up w/ llamaserver - no indication that it is accepting sent turns - the mailserver seems down. best to pause the game until we figure out what's what.

[Aapeli]

They say its working now in the other thread (madwar-game). You can give it another go.

[PsiSoldier]

Yeah its working.

[PsiSoldier]

If anyone is in need of Astral, Death or Nature gems I will trade evenly for Earth Gems. I have a few water and Fire gems to trade as well. just PM me with what you need and how many and I'll let you exactly how many I can trade.

[archaeolept]

sorry i'm the latest to get my turns in atm - big war, intermittant internet, travelling, and too many darn games ;p

but i should be home sunday, and dead in one of the games, so i should be up to speed in 3 turns

of course, given i'm being jumped by two powerful adversaries, this may all be moot soon enough :)

I would like to propose an international conferance for the restricting of the inhumane and disgusting mis-use of electicity as a battlefield weapon. ;p

[K]

I would like to propose an international conferance for the restricting of the inhumane and disgusting mis-use of electicity as a battlefield weapon. ;p

I'm afraid the Rakshasa Kings can't support such a restriction. ;)

[K]

The Rakshasa Kings would like to celebrate our NAP with the goatmen of Pangaea.

[mighty_scoop]

Mmmh ... dom3 crashes when i try to open the new turn ... anybody else experiencing this problem ?

PS: already tried the resend turn file

[Executor]

You need to download the latest patch 3.20.
http://www.shrapnelgames.com/Illwinter/DOM3/DOM3_page.html
You'll find it here.

[mighty_scoop]

You need to download the latest patch 3.20.
http://www.shrapnelgames.com/Illwinter/DOM3/DOM3_page.html
You'll find it here.

oh ... didn't know that even the running games will be updated .. i thought the i have to play with the same version the game has been started ...

thx executor for the info

[Executor]

It would appear that both Lanka and Pangaea are trying to put out the Abysian flames, and Hinnom is being attacked from all directions, whilst Rlyeh is surely planning a military campaign of its own with all that army building up.

And while the entire world is at war, the blue flames of Niefelheim grow stronger and await the right moment to fulfill their destiny and became the rulers of this world!!!

Wait...

EDIT: Muahahahahahahaha!!!!
That's better.

[PsiSoldier]

All that army building up :eek: ? Why whatever do you mean? :D

R'lyeh has absolutely nothing but peaceful intentions. I assure you that what you see is simply a small peacekeeping force (Insert R'lyeh Mind control)... Yeah thats it... preparing to... errr Keep the peace or something kind of like that.

[Aapeli]

I pity those two nations that try to defy our insanely powerful realm. The wrath of Furriculus shall burn you like maggots in the inferno!

Ok but seriously were done for but we wont go down easily, and I even think the abysian dominion is leading in the graphs (leading or second). I just almost got a dom kill for Lanka but I totally underestimated the power of palanakshas (or something similar) and a water 9 bless. My only confrontations with Lanka is in this game and in one that im currently playing and oh dear I didnt know they were that good. Id better try them myself and see what they can do...

[DonCorazon]

Fomoria took the worst scales ever so will never be a real threat to anyone. It was my last experiment with Production, which I am convinced is useless. Anyway, we seem to have beaten back the cannibals with our "shock" and awe campaign, but we have become a backwards nation probably soon to follow Abysia into the history books.

[mighty_scoop]

This is a message from Mictlan to all the leaders in Hellscape ...

the evil cold blooded giants of Niefelheim declared war to our friendly nation ... you will for sure say : i don't care ... but you all should care ... every (even minor) skilled spy should have told there leaders, that Niefelheim holds the most provinces, has the biggest income and has an enormous army of double blessed niefel giants ... to sum up they are the biggest powerhouse in Hellscape an by far the greatest menace for every nation.
But again ... why should you care if the declare war to me and not to you ... let me explain ... i was getting kicked pretty hard from Hinnon in our bloody long lasting war ... I'm realistic and know that i don't have a chance to stop Niefel ( nevertheless i will cause Niefelheim a warm welcoming in the hot Mictlan lands). If they manage to conquer my lands without trouble, they will be most likely unstoppable ... and that's the point where you will care ( but is likely too late then ) ...
The best i could do is to slow and bind ( a part of ) their army. This would be your chance to stop ... so nations of Hellscape ... don't let our beautiful lands become unfriendly ice desert.

Greetings

Mictlan

[archaeolept]

perhaps you should consider defending your homelands rather than continuing a fruitless invasion of my lands w/ all your forces then? As I see it, some large and very cold chickens are coming home to roost :)

[Executor]

We are pleased with such compliment of our might, but our decision to strike was but an answer to Hinnoms call to arms against you that came a little late due to heavy snow and slippery roads.

[archaeolept]

heh - I think we may have actually forgotten to send the invitations, but We are glad you are coming to the party ;)

Protip: jaguar warriors are good braised, especially w/ some fresh thyme.

[Executor]

Can I have a 48h extension please? I am having troubles with my internet connection.

[archaeolept]

i pm'ed him too... hopefully he checks the thread before host.

[K]

Can I have a 48h extension please? I am having troubles with my internet connection.

Ooo, sorry. I didn't check this turn.

Do we need a rollback? If three agree I'll do it (a rollback helps me, so I should stay neutral).

[archaeolept]

i'm fine either way

but if he wants one, sure.

[DonCorazon]

Fine with me - haven't even looked at my turn and I won't.

[mighty_scoop]

I'm against a rollback ... this was one of the few ( to be honest very few) turns that something went good for me ... i killed the Hinnon pretender and two of his really annoying thugs ... i rollback would be unfair for me

[archaeolept]

i think you only killed one - as to the pretender, the rock, I very much doubt I could prevent that in any way if I tried. He's not important, so no big deal. Nice attack though :)

[PsiSoldier]

Im against a roll back.. I had a very nice Random event that gave me 1500 Gold.. so Im definitely against rollback unless the rollback wouldnt change random events.. but I would think that it would change them. Or unless Neifle wanted to make up the gold loss to me from not getting that event with a roll back. ;)

[DonCorazon]

Killing a pretender and a 1500 gp event sound like enough reason not to roll back IMHO.

[K]

Ok, since no one is actually asking for a rollback and several major events have happened, we'll do turns as usual.

[archaeolept]

well, my pretender is unimportant, and couldn't avoid dying, i think, mathematically. but, like I said, I'm fine either way.

[archaeolept]

hi K - Executor did say he's having problems w/ his internet connection - can we turn the timer off for a bit until we hear from him? If he stales again we should roll back, or somesuch.

[PsiSoldier]

Yeah, its getting down to the wire and he has still not submitted his turn. If he doesnt get his turn in this time I'd say roll back regardless of what happens. Assumming we hear from him at all..

Maybe he should arrange for a Sub until he gets his problems worked out. All I know is this game would be a lot less interesting if Neifle had to drop out for some reason.

[archaeolept]

meh. yeah.

[archaeolept]

Nief staled. also aby, but I think he's almost out.

[K]

Alright, we need two votes:

Vote 1: Get sub for Neiflheim until his internet connection is fixed. We'll postpone until then.

Vote 2: Roll back so Neifle sub/original player can do his last turn properly(2nd stale).

I don't think it is too much of an issue that Abysia staled. His god is dead, his good mages killed, and I'm knocking down his last castle.

Yay or nay on Vote 1 and Vote 2?

[mighty_scoop]

roll back before or after the second stale ?

[Aapeli]

Ya really dont need to mind about my stales (me being Abysia). And im sorry for holding the game back. I shall try to finish my last turns properly (or remember to put me AI). Im gonna need to figure out how to tackle those tough blessed gorillas (their kicking my butt in my second game as well).

[DonCorazon]

Putting myself in the shoes of Neifel, who seems to have been pretty involved in the game up until his internet went down, I would want a rollback and a delay until I was up and running. That said, its been 3 days I think since he logged in - seems like a long time to not be able to at least find an internet connection and post a quick update.

So I'd say we rollback the last turn and look for a sub with the caveat that it could be just for a turn or the entire game, depending on Niefel's internet connection.

Normally I'd say its not worth that much trouble but since Niefel is leading the game, it probably makes sense. I, Fomoria, am dead anyway, so my personal preference is to speed things up but I sympathize if Niefel just lost internet and is taking a few days to sort things out.

[archaeolept]

roll back, put on hold a few days to see if executor can clear up his problems.

[PsiSoldier]

Yeah I'd say roll back for this last turn, NOT 2 turns and give a time extension for the next turn. If he doesnt log on within the next 2 days maybe start looking for a temp sub with possibility of being permanent.

Considering he is the leader in the game Im pretty sure he hasnt given up on trying to get back online.

[K]

Ok, we seem to have a reasonable consensus.

We will:
Roll back one turn. We'll give him +48 hours, and if we haven't heard anything then we'll get a temp sub.

[archaeolept]

as per executor's post "I will probably be without internet another day or two, so all games I'm in you should get a temp sub, for tigerstripes and blitzkrieg especialy.
Sorry for the problems." - pls don't have the game host on him again ;)

[K]

We have a sub, so we need to give him a day or so to send me his email so I can send the turn to him.

[K]

Ok, Ossa has been sent his Neifleheim turn. Game on!

[archaeolept]

12 hr extension pls

[K]

12 hr extension pls

Done.

[Ossa]

Can the admin check whether the email is correctly reconfigured?

[Executor]

I'm back but still not sure if I'm permanently subbed here, no hard feeling if I am I was gone for a while, just like to know.

[archaeolept]

a sub was found, but he has yet to submit his first turn.

[Executor]

So... where do I stand?

[archaeolept]

dunno - pm k, maybe ossa. How's your internet connection looking? ;)

technically you've missed only one turn, so your nation is ready

[Executor]

Been looking at the posts since I was gone, and thanks again for waiting for me as long as you did, I have some very late games where I stoked over 10 000gold and about 300-500 gems of all kind, It'll take me about 6 hours to get that turn in...
I'll PM K now.

[archaeolept]

oh, and to pimp my other game, whomever doesn't play Niefle - LA T'ien C'hi is looking for a sub in Wheel of Time... very nice position, early, fun and crazy ultra gems game ;)

[K]

Ok, I broke the news to Ossa and I'm waiting for Executor to send me his email so I can send him his turn.

[mighty_scoop]

Hi together,

i've got a lot of privat trouble right now ... would it be possible to delay this turn for ~24h ? I hope i'm not to late ... sorry for causing inconvenience

[archaeolept]

yah np with me... request for delay is timely :)

[K]

Hi together,

i've got a lot of privat trouble right now ... would it be possible to delay this turn for ~24h ? I hope i'm not to late ... sorry for causing inconvenience

Ok, delayed 24 hours.

[archaeolept]

sorry, almost staled there :shock:

[PsiSoldier]

Yeah I thought you did stale until I saw you took that province up by my shore. Last I had looked it seems like there was about 4 minutes left and still no turn from you. Maybe not that close, but it seems like it was.

[PsiSoldier]

making a habit of almost getting stale turns are we? Or are you actually going to get one with 18 minutes you have left this time.

[archaeolept]

yah sorry... running out of time lately... very dangerous turn too :(

edit: oh my, that niefel army is something :horror:

also, i have no idea how that damn hydra army managed to move... i guess the flag for besieged is set later in the turn or something :grrr:

[Executor]

Hmm Rlyeh seems to be doing fine, more than fine actually.
I guess everyone saw that battle, yes that niefel army isn't all that bad, although I did forget to do something about that fire magic.

[PsiSoldier]

Oh don't mind little O'l R'lyeh.. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! Hrrrm Yeah I started to watch the battle before I went to work, havent had time to look at the whole thing yet.. So far the Neifle TV channel is kinda interesting.

[mighty_scoop]

Hi together,

Mictlan is defeated ... do to my current time shortage i decided to let the ai fight the last few battles for me ( not that it will change anything :-> ) ... thx for the great fun i had playing with you all and thx for the experience i gained ... hope that i will face you again in another game ...

have fun and good luck for the rest of you

PS: i would really enjoy any future turn reports ... would be nice if someone could post from time to time what happend in hellscape

[K]

Hi together,

Mictlan is defeated ... do to my current time shortage i decided to let the ai fight the last few battles for me ( not that it will change anything :-> ) ... thx for the great fun i had playing with you all and thx for the experience i gained ... hope that i will face you again in another game ...

have fun and good luck for the rest of you

PS: i would really enjoy any future turn reports ... would be nice if someone could post from time to time what happend in hellscape

Thanks for playing!

[DonCorazon]

Good game Mighty Scoop. Bad luck starting next to Hinnom. Hopefully Fomoria's little nest of hydra hatchlings can eat a few of the giants before we collapse next.

[archaeolept]

heh, it wasn't me that ended our NAP :D

gg scoop.

[Deadnature]

Well, for the same reason as scoop (limited time/too many games going) I'm setting myself to AI this turn. I just threw my main army at Lanka's capital and evidently forgot to set 12 of my dryads to NOT sneak, they all got individually massacred. I was sure to lose anyway but I was hoping to do at least SOME damage.

Anyway, this is my first mp game as evidenced by several poor choices: 3 (that's right 3) dominion-strength, losing my pretender on the second turn and more. But it has been a fun learning experience. I would prefer to fight to the last but right now I just don't have the time. Have fun guys.

- Deadnature, Pangaea

[Executor]

Shame, 3 nation down who's next?

Oh just out of curiosity where did you start?

[archaeolept]

well, as much as we all might complain about the map, Pan, Lanka, and Aby all started out together in a shoebox ;p

I guess Lanka is the victor though, congrats K.

And i'm glad you had a fairly good experience deadnature. losing your god on the second turn is a bit of a pain.

[K]

It's been a fine and bloody set of wars.

Good game, DeadNature.

[DonCorazon]

Fomoria is AI - our 2 forts are under siege, no income to pay our troops, and our last army is stuck in the middle of enemy terrain and has discovered there is no food in Hinnom.

Thanks for hosting K. Good luck to everyone.

[archaeolept]

haha i'm glad my pop killing tendencies have come in use... that's how i've felt all game ;p

[K]

Good game. It's been fun fighting.

[archaeolept]

hey, can one of you two (rlyeh and nief) go ahead and win already? ;)

at least i've finally defeated enough of the invading armies that my turns have now ceased to be an insane complexity of having to craft forces that can deal w/ massed jags/ozeotl, massed hydras, or massed lightning.

[PsiSoldier]

This isnt victory by victory points is it? Would be a little easier to end it quickly if it were.. but I dont think it is is it..

[Executor]

No it isn't by victory points, last man standing victory condition.

[K]

No it isn't by victory points, last man standing victory condition.

Considering that I had to set my empire on fire to win the double wars against Pangaea and Abysia, I'm mostly waiting to see who comes out on top in the Ry'leh/Hinnom/Neifleheim conflict.

[archaeolept]

it won't be me, I can assure you :)

[Executor]

How modest of you arch.

[DonCorazon]

the ghost of Fomoria groans "the same guy who barely knew what a spell was..."

[PsiSoldier]

I'm mostly waiting to see who comes out on top in the Ry'leh/Hinnom/Neifleheim conflict.

Don't look at us, were too busy building sand castles and sun bathing for such trivial things as conflict. :cool:

[K]

I'm mostly waiting to see who comes out on top in the Ry'leh/Hinnom/Neifleheim conflict.

Don't look at us, were too busy building sand castles and sun bathing for such trivial things as conflict. :cool:

You have the Forge of the Ancients and the Well of Misery. When is the Tartarian apocalypse?

[PsiSoldier]

Eh I could have Tartarians in 2 turns if I wanted, but I have better things to do. How about an Un-killable (unless he is one hit killed) and nearly magic immune Seraph with +16 Awe? I believe we have one of those on one of our lovely beaches playing volleyball with the Wraith Lords :D

[Executor]

Don't forget Niefs claws of Kokytos has no way of escape...
And than there are certain items too.

[Executor]

Hey you forged my "certain item"!!!

I think it's about time we all attacked R'lyeh before he gets insanly powerful. ( and by all I mean me, and maybe Hinnom )
I decalre war to the unholy nation of R'lyeh!!!

I guess the steel ovens is in province 59.

P.S. I'll never play in another game with only one water nation unless that water nation is me, it's just unfair.

[PsiSoldier]

Lol, what is the certain item? Ive forged too many to know what your talking about. Mage Bane, Woundflame, Amon Hotep, Armor of Virtue, Caractor the pocket lich, the Tome of High Power or the soulstone of Wolves or something I missed? And yeah its in 59. Come and try to take it haha.

I cant say that its a problem with there being only one water nation either, considering the fact that if it were not for magic I would completely suck on land while your army is far better than my standard army on land. Besides you have gone undistrubed for most of the game with over 20 land provinces where as there are less water provinces than that in the entire map.

[K]

Game on!

[Executor]

Yes, stale on in my case?(I know I sent in the turn ) but nevermind, GAME ON!

[Executor]

Technically casting plague VOD and spells like that is breaking NAP.

[Executor]

Errr... did anyone see that absurdly powerful Seraph in 28?

This is turning out to be a very interesting game.

PsiSoldier is going out of country for 2-3days, he'll probably make the turn but it would be best to delay the hosting a little just in case. I don't like anyone gaining the upper hand by staling.

[archaeolept]

oh definitely - turn off quickhost for a turn

sorry i haven't seen the seraph - most of my scouts seem to have died ;p

and now i'm dealing w/ massive unrest in my territories - thanks KO! ;)

[Executor]

The Seraph has fallen!!!
Who dares go against the might of Niefelheim next!?
I hope you learn from this mistake.

[archaeolept]

hinnom protests that these contests, clearly held for my entertainment, need to be delayed until my scouts are in proper position!

[PsiSoldier]

Blah it wasnt much of a battle. his Sorceress just got lucky with a magic duel. 6 Astral Seraph vs. 3 2 astral Sorceresses and one 3 Astral Sorc. just luck. If I had had more time I'd have teleported a few more astral mage's in to the province to give my seraph time to get out but I guess you guys didnt delay hosting because when I got to my computer this morning I only had 30 minutes left which was just enough time for me to do a few small things and send in the turn. =(

[PsiSoldier]

Dont worry though I have more. A Chayot this time. and I can always get more seraphs if I want. Ive always wondered if a chayot was hit with a dimension rod or magic duel or whatever if it would die or be banished or simply change form. Maybe we'll find out. Ive thought about testing it in SP but Ive not had time.

[PsiSoldier]

Of course I'm probably going to wish away your dimension rod and your Scepter of Dark regency soon though.

[archaeolept]

ah, that sucks. It is K that can delay hosting or not... not any of us. You should send him a pm at least. both executor and I expressed our support for a delay.

also, that was pretty lucky on executor's part, but not too far out of the realm of possibility. scripting returning would have saved you, if he had some pearls. or just retreating, if you had a safe retreat province.

[Executor]

Scripting phenix pyre would have saved him, and each of my sorceresses had a 29% to make it, so it was a fair chance. By the laws of probability I SHOULD have won anyway, but it was pure luck that the first one made it.
The chances are S2+1-6 against S4+1-6.

And don't worry, I've got something else planned for any other Seraphs.

By the way I just forged the dimension rod to keep you away from it.

Oh and only the initial asrtal skill counts, so neither forbidden light helped you nor my booster helped me.

[PsiSoldier]

Hrrrm actually he did have Phenix Pyre scripted.. it just wasnt the first spell... guess it should have been.

[PsiSoldier]

Hrrrmm never heard that about the booster's not affecting Magic duel.

As for you forging the dimension rod, what does that matter? I can take it away from you anytime I want. Just like I can take away the +3 Death Scepter of Dark regency.

[archaeolept]

right but that would cost you a wish... pretty pricey for the dimensional rod... i don't understand why it is worth it.

mind duel only uses your base astral level. no boosters or spells alter the level it is conducted under.

[PsiSoldier]

It might not be worth it. But I get 100 Pearls a turn so its no big deal. I'd only wish for it if I thought it was really a threat though. If wishing for it would save a few fully equipped SC's though... It would be worth it.

[PsiSoldier]

right but that would cost you a wish... pretty pricey for the dimensional rod... i don't understand why it is worth it.

mind duel only uses your base astral level. no boosters or spells alter the level it is conducted under.


In the future I may empower the SC's though outside of Magic Duel range so it only equals death for whoever tries it. Wish I had known about it not being affected by Boost items before though.

[K]

Sorry....saw the request for a delay after it hosted (I think...you did mean last turn right?).

[PsiSoldier]

Yeah it was for last turn. No big deal. Kinda sucked that I only got to put about 20 minutes worth of thought into the turn and had busy work to do like managing gems on commanders which took most of that time but I'll live.

[K]

Err, does anyone know what is going on?

The game says my turn staled even though I sent it in AND ir looks like Hinnom has had two turns to take my stuff since I only have one battle report and they have four of my provinces.

[archaeolept]

yeah, i've attacked you for two turns - sent you a message, and a slave collar ;p

what did your reply emails from llamaserver say? you must have sent in a turn yesterday, as it was waiting for all your turn still - did it say turn 58 received?

Or, perhaps when you delayed the hosting to thursday, you thought it was still the old turn? It is possible not to receive a turn; then you can ask llamaserver to resend it.

[PsiSoldier]

Hrrrm if you want to roll back that is fine with me. I dont think I'll be doing anything differently from what I have done just gift of reasoning my new SC and summoning more Tartarains etc.. and letting Executor take my province's until I'm ready to hit him back.

[archaeolept]

heh i've already done this turn ;p

but I've got no problem w/ a rollback :)

[K]

Hrrrm if you want to roll back that is fine with me. I dont think I'll be doing anything differently from what I have done just gift of reasoning my new SC and summoning more Tartarains etc.. and letting Executor take my province's until I'm ready to hit him back.

If I was in a pitched war with pride in the mix I'd be tempted to take you up on that, but at this point my goal is to go out swinging hard.

[Executor]

I think we all know who the winner is but I keep playing just to try some new stuff out, and I see now that Niefelheim really doesn't suit me, I'd now take Kailasa or C'tis over Niefelheim in any game, as I already have.
So, Psi, bring it on I've still got good ideas to wreck your SC's.

[PsiSoldier]

Errrr. actually I think I staled that last turn because I was thinking we were going to do a rollback. Which is why if we are not going to do a now 3 turn rollback can we just do a one turn rollback.. Ive not looked at the new turn so whatever may have happened I do not know and cannot adjust to it.

[Executor]

I didn't do much of a turn too anyway so it's fine with me.

[archaeolept]

sure, just reimburse me my 1000 gold event :)

[archaeolept]

not that i really mind... i'm mostly in this game for you two to fight it out - not technically trying to win by coming up the middle. Still, I did get a thousand bucks :D

[PsiSoldier]

Lol I'll toss ya a few gold coins if you want.

[Executor]

R'lyeh money is no good with any giant races, but we'd be willing to take it upon us to check if the gold is worth anything anyway. Send us the 1000 gold.

[archaeolept]

hey guys, game is hosting soon - doesn't look like we're rolling back then - get your moves in :)

[PsiSoldier]

Errrr I did not send in a turn.. I had sent a PM to K to see what was going on but he has not responded.. guess its a two turn rollback. or 3 if nothing happens this turn.

[K]

Ok, rolled back one turn.

Do we want another roll back? I'm not sure if we can do two in a row.

[Executor]

I think you can roll back as much as you want, we rolled back 5-6 turns in one game.

[K]

Ok, rolled to 59 per request.

[archaeolept]

I sure hope Executor got in his turn, or else this becomes pretty messed ;p

I'm happy to say that both K and me seem to have done the exact same turn as before :)

[Executor]

Actually I didn't get my turn in but aperantly Llamaserver used the turn file I sent before the roll back.

[PsiSoldier]

Errrrr.. Appearantly K didnt get my PM about me not being here over thanksgiving...?????

[PsiSoldier]

3 Stale turns and I'm under siege in my main province... Hrrrrm

Had it been like one stale turn I'd have let it go.. but... 3 is a little much..

[archaeolept]

eh... he's not too active. you should certainly post stuff like that in the thread, so that the rest of us know as well. also, how could it be 3? we've only had like one turn in the past week as there was that double rollback...

[PsiSoldier]

Err It was actually 3. we rolled back to 59. I got turn 59 in and then missed 60 which came in on Wed. after I left and then 61 and 62. Executor knew that I was gone as him and I are teamed up in two of the other games I am in but I guess somewhere along the way the fact that I was gone got lost in Hellscape.. But I did PM K as well..

I'm about to the point that I would just say **** it and take the staled turns and lets get this game over with so I can focus on my team games. I dunno..

Still thats 3 wishes Ive missed and 4 or 5 less Tartarins summoned. that I'd otherwise have on top of whatever other misc. crap I'd have done. As well as having not been able to move my unit with the Forbidden light to where I need him which he would now be had I been able to move him...

[archaeolept]

I gotta think that the greater part of your power is intact, and you should have some muscle to throw around. The staling is unfortunate, but things could have been made more clear and posted in the thread.

I'm just enjoying tooling around on my bike, so whatever ;)

[K]

Errrrr.. Appearantly K didnt get my PM about me not being here over thanksgiving...?????

Doh!

Yeh, I'm kinda on cruise control in this game. I'm open to suggestions about a resolution to this problem.

[Executor]

You could give Psi or Arch the password also, so they can delay when they need to.

[Executor]

Steel Ovens are under siege once again by the victorious armies of Niefelheim.
Consider this revenge for wishing away my, MY sceptre!!!!

[Executor]

Hmm, I've played the but forgot to send it in. DOE!!!
Could R'lyeh STOP wishing away all of my unique items, there's only a handful of them left now.

[PsiSoldier]

Lol... I'll think about it. If there are no more that I want I'll stop haha.

[K]

I've set myself to AI because I've been really distracted and have been staling. If anyone want to take over as host, send me an email at kazthefirst at yahoo dot com. If not, then just email me if you need turns to be delayed or something.

[Executor]

Very interesting.
I am still to watch the whole battle but don't you think that is just a little excessive?
I mean 5 abomination, Chayot, pack of Tartarians, dozens of wrath lords, liches, djinn, even a very equipped rudra?, golems, mind lords, Pyriphlogos, Faery Queen, a lot of little mages, a bunch of summons including wights, ghosts, sprites, chaff and of course a INSANELY POWERFUL Master Lich with a total of 63 MAGIC PATHS!!!!

[archaeolept]

heh - i didn't even notice the lich.

it was definitely a sight, though.

edit: hey, 41 paths only - must have been 3 wishes for magic power.

[Tifone]

Sorry if I hop here uninvited :D

But... why don't you post that great awesome battle's turn file after the game is finished? :shock: I can put it on YouTube if that's ok for ya :)

[Executor]

That's fine with me, the game will probably be over soon anyway.

Huh, it seems I've lost my pretender also. Shame.

Oh I've almost forgot to ask, did that surprise Astral Corruption put a stop on the clam factory???

[PsiSoldier]

Eh Yeah Astral corruption is indeed putting a bit of a halt to the clam factory, but not the wishing. I'm trying to forge one clam this turn to see how it goes.

I'm thinking about casting a spell that will screw all of you up like Utterdark to get even for the Astral corruption though. At least my Pretender has blood magic so I can wish for blood slaves and start summoning some bad *** Blood Summons. I wish I could have been doing vampires but thats part of the weakness of a water nation.. an imortal vampire dies and where does he go... Cant go underwater...

[PsiSoldier]

By the way.. Ive figured out a relatively easy way to get rid of your Astral corruption. I'm assuming you poured more blood slaves into it than I could put Astral pearls to dispel it so that leaves me the option of overwriting your Astral corruption with my own and purposely getting the caster killed.

100 Pearls = 250 Blood slaves.. Shouldnt take too many wishes to make sure I can overwrite your Astral corruption.

So ammusingly enough in a few turns I may have an SC that you actualy do not want to kill haha. Guess who will be first to try and break the next siege of my fort. or go on some dangerous province raiding trips.

[PsiSoldier]

Haha, Abomination of Desolation and his squad of lesser horrors = Owned by my Pretender and Abomination Bodyguards.

[Executor]

What a Doom Horror attacked you when you wished? or did you wish a Doom Horror?
They don't stick around forever you know.

[PsiSoldier]

It attacked along with several lesser horrors

[Executor]

Uhh, I'll have to redo my turn. :)

[PsiSoldier]

Uhh, I'll have to redo my turn. :)

???

[archaeolept]

oh, uh, lol? that would be the problem w/ astral corruption... any big expenditure, and you probably want astral in order to script returning...

[PsiSoldier]

Wow, my pretender got attacked by something even tougher than the Abomination of Desolation. The Maker of Ruins. The bastard managed to kill 2 of my abominatins before I put him down.

[PsiSoldier]

Oh how'd ya like that Lone Rudra wiping out your little army this last turn? That was fun.

[Executor]

That won't happen again, didn't expect that.
I'd offer to send my pretender against him if not for several aflictions that made him useless. :)

[archaeolept]

fair enough - you two should go against my dominion furnace. I so wanted to avoid doing anything, like fighting, though ;)

So I'm not sure how much of a fight I'll be able to muster... but Rlyeh is running against the clock.

At least i'm using up Psi's wishes :)

[PsiSoldier]

I so wanted to avoid doing anything, like fighting, though ;)


You will be doing plenty of that... Or at least Dying.

Ive got about 13 Telastic animations, 3 more H2 priests and a Prophet (Juggernaut) on the way... Might help to stem the tide of your Dominion.. Or it might not I dunno.

[Executor]

War to Hinnom who thinks he will subdue us even without a fight! We strike in 3 months.
Hehe, last turn I lost 10 Jarls to Psi and now we are allied against you.

[archaeolept]

13 Telastic animations, 3 more H2 priests and a Prophet (Juggernaut) on the way... Might help to stem the tide of your Dominion..hey, that's no fair ;)

Executor: remember, you want me to crack at about the same time rlyeh finally loses his dominion ;p

[archaeolept]

pm'ing K to try and get slightly longer turns over christmas... since the mean space-squids are gonna force me to work for it ;p

[Executor]

And the most interesting part is that I just figured out how to kill that Rudra...

[archaeolept]

please feel free to demonstrate :D

there's cookies in it for you...

[archaeolept]

well, that was an interesting battle. I was probably lucky, being able to shrug off so many paralyzes and the like.

looks like that cost you a full turn's forging ;p

[Executor]

This time I'm the spectator. A nice change.

[K]

pm'ing K to try and get slightly longer turns over christmas... since the mean space-squids are gonna force me to work for it ;p

turns extended to 72 hours. This turn delayed 24.

[archaeolept]

Executor, no NAP should hold in a situation such as this - there is always an implicit exception for force majeure. At present trends it looks like all opposing dominion will be destroyed in 4 turns, maybe 5.

I'm open also to other alternatives, if you guys want to continue fighting w/out having the game end. Or, otherwise, when the dom wave crushes everything in its path, we could declare a joint victory - there's not much honour gained by winning w/ Hinnom ;)

though I am looking forward to fighting some of R'lyeh's SCs. I've never even seen a chayot before :)

[DonCorazon]

pardon the voice from the past, i was just checking in to see who was winning this game and saw archaeo's post
- how did Hinnom get such an overwhelming dominion especially relative to niefel who seems to have about the same number of provinces? just curious as I have never seen a player domkill someone who still had so much land...

[archaeolept]

the kids weren't paying attention to dominion - and Hinnom can dom push w/ the best of them.

since serious dominion flood attacks are so rare, it is easy for people to underestimate their potential ferocity. It is not that abnormal to think that dominion is mostly just some minor bonus or malus.

[DonCorazon]

yeah, i fit into the bucket you described although i have been focusing on dominion more in other games but mostly b/c i have been playing more often with awake pretenders where those extra white candles are key. but it still surprises me you could domkill a huge nation - god knows i had trouble trying to domkill QM down to just a few provinces in artifacts and I had blood sacrificing vans. interesting to see it work on a grander scale - would be nice to see more games end with large domkills to avoid the late game fatigue and since it is somewhat thematic.

[Executor]

Wow, I staled the last turn (don't have much time due to New Year and school, yes a kid I am compared to most dom players) but I never saw anyones dominion grow this fast. Didn't hink it was possible really, I never used dom kill properly even with Mictlan.
Interesting, never been dom killed before, although I did take only 4 dominion, I really dislike Niefelheim, really,really.
I'm fine either way, just wanna see this game over. And yeah you're right Arch, if I had seen my dom cut in half sooner I'd probably ignore the NAP, as would have done with AN,AC,Burden of time and similar situations.

[archaeolept]

well, I don't think putting up AC would count as reason to vitiate the NAP, given that you payed for most of it ;p

[Executor]

Well not in this situation, but in general.

[PsiSoldier]

Yeah if the damned Arcane corruption wasnt up I could be fairly easily countering his dominion kill. I think you got played there Ex.

[Executor]

Actually... that was my idea before he started the dominion rush.

[PsiSoldier]

Ahh so he turned your idea against you then. Good move Arch. Ya bastard... :D

[archaeolept]

i'm not sure what you could do w/ it down... the brute fact is that you need a ton of _something_ in order to counter all the candles. I think I'd have been dumping all of your vast pearl income into juggernauts, and that's not too affected by AC as the casters can all be casting returning.

but even with juggernauts, the wave was just too far advanced - and I'm generally adding 5-7 more temple checks a turn.

Raiding can lower my bloodhunting, but not sufficiently. I'm about to start using all my Gem store (1300 or so) to convert to astrals in order to wish for more Blood... so that'll be a steady 200 blood every 2 turns income.

I'd never take a 4 starting dominion either; I'm guessing neither will Executor from now on. :p Some builds I can live w/ a 6, but that's the absolute minimum for me (except some Mictlan strats).

[Executor]

I usually take a high dominion, 8 or 9 since I tend to go with the oracle a lot, other that that I take a dom3 SC pretender which will need awe of course so that's 9 dominion again. Only with Mictlan I take 7 and that's usually the lowest I go.

I really don't know why people think Niefelheim is an overpowered nation?

[archaeolept]

ah, because it can rush almost anyone, and most nations won't be able to do squat. So they come out of the early game in a very strong postion.

[Executor]

Well I don't know, so far I faced Niefelheim 3 times and I beat him all 3 times with little problems.