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Executor
August 3rd, 2008, 03:14 PM
I am testing something I'm going to use with Niefelheim in a game,
to fully equip a Jotun Skratti, hydra skin armor, ring of reg, faithful, snake bladder stick, horror helmet, boots of stone and amulet of reinvig.
So first I buff him with quicken self, breath of winter, mossbody or whatever and set order change shape ( to werewolf ) and attack, naturally he kills everybody without any trouble but after the battle he changes to wolf form without any reason, why is that?

I would have no problem with that if he didn't lose all the items when he changes,
and the original plan was to send him in wolf form which is stealthy, and keep the items on a scout, and when I attack I put the items back and sneak the scout in with him.

So, any reason he changes shape to wolf without command???

Meglobob
August 3rd, 2008, 03:30 PM
A shapechanging unit trys to resume its original form when it transforms during a battle, which is ok when a unit has 2 forms but the Skratti have 3.

You need to do your scout thing and transfer equipment has needed, a pain but there you go.

Aezeal
August 3rd, 2008, 05:23 PM
why is snakebladder stick so good?

archaeolept
August 3rd, 2008, 05:41 PM
AOE poison... helps break morale; esp in combo w/ the horror helm, mossbody, and BoW.

The "bug" has been around since the Skratti were given their third form. it's too bad...

AreaOfEffect
August 3rd, 2008, 09:23 PM
I generally keep my Skratti in werewolf form in order to avoid this problem. Sure, my self buffs are limited to quicken and Breath of Winter, but I also use a Seithkona to buff two or three of them with ethereal body. Then again, I also tend to send them out in masses as thugs to support armies. I haven't made many of them into super combatants.

Executor
August 3rd, 2008, 09:50 PM
I consider this to be very stupid, why does one have to change shape after the battle??? It makes no sense, you can do it during the turn anyway, It only makes trouble like in my case,
I was aiming for a stealthy SC,
go as wolf and when I want to attack change shape and transfer the items from the scout and the battle is won change to wolf again and continue, but I can't make it work without losing items!!!
I really think this should be fixed, it could give a good advantage to Niefel, it's very hard to attack a sneaking army.

Dragar
August 3rd, 2008, 10:33 PM
Yeah I always keep them in werewolf form to avoid the problem

It is a nuisance though.

chrispedersen
August 3rd, 2008, 11:39 PM
I actually think the stealthy thing is intentional. Developers have seemt to bend over backwards to stop developing any more stealthy supercombatants.

eg., no items grant stealthy.

JimMorrison
August 4th, 2008, 12:34 AM
Executor said:...I really think this should be fixed, it could give a good advantage to Niefel,...




Then all those people could stop complaining about how weak Niefelheim seems.

!

Lingchih
August 4th, 2008, 01:06 AM
archaeolept said:
AOE poison... helps break morale; esp in combo w/ the horror helm, mossbody, and BoW.

The "bug" has been around since the Skratti were given their third form. it's too bad...



Is that a Smurf on a Crucifix or something (your Avatar). It's really weird, but not out of character.

archaeolept
August 4th, 2008, 02:08 AM
http://members.arstechnica.com/x/archaeolept/frog-thumb-550x724.jpg

MaxWilson
August 4th, 2008, 12:23 PM
Dragar said:
Yeah I always keep them in werewolf form to avoid the problem

It is a nuisance though.



Why not fix it then? Set #firstshape.

-Max

Tifone
August 4th, 2008, 01:28 PM
Wow, a crucified Bog Beast ^_^

(Actually, more likely a moose in disguise of a bog beast)

JimMorrison
August 4th, 2008, 01:46 PM
A Teenage Mutant Ninja Bogbeast Prophet. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

What is the significance of the stein and egg? O.o

Tifone
August 4th, 2008, 01:52 PM
JimMorrison said:
A Teenage Mutant Ninja Bogbeast Prophet. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif




Shapeshifted http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif