MadCradle2, 11 players, MA - Game On!

[MadFrancis]

Looking to start a new game. Willing to play anywhere any age, any map, with however many players are willing to join within the next few days. Will host on LlamaServer. Maybe even a random game, randomized by an outside party (my roommate). We will vote for an age, a map and whether we play random nations.

Players:

1. MadFrancis/Marignon - Submitted
2. Apsophos/Agartha - Submitted
3. James243/T'ien Ch'i - Submitted
4. Tichy/Shinuyama - Submitted
5. Jazzepi/Abysia - Submitted
6. Psycho/Caelum - Submitted
7. GrudgeBringer/Vanheim - Submitted
8. Ershalim/R'lyeh - Submitted
9. slMagnvox/Bandar Log - Submitted
10. FoodStamp/Mictlan - Submitted
11. hunt11/Ashdod - Submitted

[Apsophos]

I support the idea of a random game, but will play anyway.

[James243]

Sounds fun! Count me in.

[Tichy]

I'm interested.

[Jazzepi]

I'll join.

Jazzepi

[MadFrancis]

Okay, 5 so far.

[Psycho]

I will play if I don't hate the map.

[MadFrancis]

Well, the idea is to all agree, more or less, on a map. Hopefully you aren't too picky ;).

[GrudgeBringer]

OK count me in:angel

[Ershalim]

No set details? Sounds like madness. I can use that. I'm in!

[MadFrancis]

We're up to eight. Shall we recruit some more or is everyone okay with eight? We can wait for more peeps if you all want or we can close it. In anycase we should start thinking about which age and map we are going to play, as well as whether we shall be playing random nations.

[Ershalim]

Personally, as I'm not terribly good at anything, random suits me fine. 8 people seems like a good enough start as any. Late Age seems to be pretty popular at the moment. So buck tradition and go Early? *Shrugs*

[slMagnvox]

Just registered. First post, hurray.

If you're willing to go to nine or need an alternate please count me in. Was looking for a game to start. Any map, age, or nation is fine with me. I'm too new to know what's what.

[46852]

I could give it a go if you decide to get more than 8 players.

[hunt11]

i would like to join in

[MadFrancis]

Personally, as I'm not terribly good at anything, random suits me fine. 8 people seems like a good enough start as any. Late Age seems to be pretty popular at the moment. So buck tradition and go Early? *Shrugs*

That's one vote, for EA Random Nations. Anyone else?

Also I am going to keep adding people to the game list ... if we end up playing with only eight than we will just have alts or subs. If not we can always play a larger map. Either way is fine by me.

[46852]

My vote is random everything except the map, as I'm not really familiar with any nation or age yet :)

[Tichy]

I agree that we shouldn't use a straight random map -- they tend not to be balanced out of the box in terms of number and quality of neighbors for start positions. There are a bunch of maps now that people have lavished attention on.

I'm fine with any age, and random or semi-random nation selection. I think players should be allowed a small opt-out list, or be able to state certain preferences (like no water).

[Psycho]

The only thing that is important to me is to have a map that is visually pleasing. It's best to play on a random map, but since I don't believe anyone would like to mess around with adjusting starting positions, we could take some standard map take can fit 11 players like Cradle.

I vote for random nation assignement with an opt-out list as well. Regarding age, I vote it not be EA, since my two MP games so far were EA.

[Apsophos]

Maybe we could have opponent-chosen (anonymously) pretender chassis? (more madness, yay)

Also, should we use any mods? CBM? Random mods from a list?

Or should we roll some dice to decide things to be randomized and make this a randomly random game?

More random madness!

[Jazzepi]

I can generate a map as long as I know the number of water nations we're going to have.

Generally I do 15 provinces per player.

Jazzepi

[MadFrancis]

1.Marignon
2.Mictlan
3.T'ien Ch'i
4.Agartha
5.Abysia
6.Caelum
7.Vanheim
8.R'lyeh
9.Bandar Log
10.Shinuyama
11.Ashdod

This is a MA randomly generated list of nations. Any objections? I was thinking Cradle would be a good map for 11 players. I'm also open to random maps. If any person wants to opt out of their randomly generated nation we can allow one chance to be randomly assigned a new nation per player.

Yea? Nay?

[Tichy]

Does this match up against the order we're listed on the first post (so I'm #4 = Agartha)?

I'm fine with Agartha.

[MadFrancis]

Maybe we could have opponent-chosen (anonymously) pretender chassis? (more madness, yay)

Also, should we use any mods? CBM? Random mods from a list?


Im leery on the opponent chosen pretender chassis, as for mods Ive never played with anything but Worthy Heros, but am willing to give anything a go.

As for random randomness, we could always roll a die for things such as independants strength, site frequency, gold and resource modifiers, starting provinces and such.

[MadFrancis]

Does this match up against the order we're listed on the first post (so I'm #4 = Agartha)?


That was the idea.

[Jazzepi]

Maybe we could have opponent-chosen (anonymously) pretender chassis? (more madness, yay)

Also, should we use any mods? CBM? Random mods from a list?


Im leery on the opponent chosen pretender chassis, as for mods Ive never played with anything but Worthy Heros, but am willing to give anything a go.

As for random randomness, we could always roll a die for things such as independants strength, site frequency, gold and resource modifiers, starting provinces and such.

I'm definitely not playing with someone else's pretender chassis.

[Ershalim]

Ooh, that would make me R'yleh? The nutty fishes. I can work with that. If we do opponents making pretender chassis things, we'd need some kind of quality control. Some arbiter to assure that they weren't useless for whatever race they were made for... I'm not entirely sure that'd be worth the effort, but it could be fun.

[Tichy]

I'm with Jazzepi on the pretender chassis thing.

[PsiSoldier]

Hell I'll join if you still got room

[46852]

Own pretenders, definitely.

And I vote for second random chance for nation, Shinuyama is kind of a turn off for me :(

So if we decide for that, I want my nation rerolled.

[MadFrancis]

Own pretenders, definitely.

And I vote for second random chance for nation, Shinuyama is kind of a turn off for me :(

So if we decide for that, I want my nation rerolled.

Okay. If we do go the rerolling route I think we should wait and see if anyone else wants a reroll, and then do them all at the same time.

[Psycho]

I'm OK with caelum

[Apsophos]

If you allow nation rerolls, I would like one too.

[Tichy]

I poked around and discovered just how unloved MA Agartha is. I'm fine with a reroll.

[Psycho]

Maybe random assignment wasn't such a good idea

[Apsophos]

Maybe random assignment wasn't such a good idea

Well, I will be happy to play even with no reroll.
Is anyone absolutely opposed to playing his attributed nation?

[46852]

Maybe random assignment wasn't such a good idea

Well, I will be happy to play even with no reroll.
Is anyone absolutely opposed to playing his attributed nation?

Not absolutely opposed, but I wouldn't mind one reroll...

I'm just a beginner player, so playing Shinuyama might turn out a negative experience as it really is the last nation I'd pick :(

[Apsophos]

Not absolutely opposed, but I wouldn't mind one reroll...

I'm just a beginner player, so playing Shinuyama might turn out a negative experience as it really is the last nation I'd pick :(

Prefer Mictlan? Want to swap?

[Tichy]

I'd swap for either Mictlan or Shin, if we want to do horse trading instead of rerolls.

[MadFrancis]

I'd swap for either Mictlan or Shin, if we want to do horse trading instead of rerolls.


I like this idea more than the rerolls, and I will swap with anyone who wants. I don't mind playing anyone on the list.

[James243]

I'm happy with Tien Chi. If anyone's desperately miserable with their choice then I don't mind swapping though - keen to get going really.

[James243]

Happy with Cradle as the map too - great map.

[Jazzepi]

I'm happy with Tien Chi. If anyone's desperately miserable with their choice then I don't mind swapping though - keen to get going really.

Agreed. Lets get this show on the road.

Jazzepi

[MadFrancis]

I'm happy with Tien Chi. If anyone's desperately miserable with their choice then I don't mind swapping though - keen to get going really.

Agreed. Lets get this show on the road.

Jazzepi

Shall we set a deadline for Tuesday evening, say 03:00 AM GMT to start. Any trades must be made before then, and Pretenders sent in.

We'll play Cradle.

# Starting Provinces: 3
Ind. Strength: 7
Site Freq.: 35
$ Multiplier: 175
Resource Multiplier: 225
Supply Multipler: 75
Random Eevnts: Rare
Score graphs Enabled
Hall of Fame: 5
Research: Standard

The above is a random make-up of the game conditions. We can use these or just go default if people want.

Also, CBM or no? Random die roll says no, but either way I'd sort of like to at least use Worthy Heroes.

[Ershalim]

Modses tend to make things more complicated. I think if we're already playing with so much random it'll already be 'new' enough to keep things interesting. It's up to you, though. I'm fine either way.

[MadFrancis]

Modses tend to make things more complicated. I think if we're already playing with so much random it'll already be 'new' enough to keep things interesting. It's up to you, though. I'm fine either way.

If it is up to me I'd tend to agree that the randomness of the settings will make the game different enough as it is.

[Psycho]

I am strongly opposed to this randomness of settings. I would like to see everything on default if there isn't a good reason for changing it. I've seen people sometimes change indy strength or site frequency, but not things like no. of provinces, random events or multipliers. This kind of settings favor nations who have heavily armored troops and as such won't be recruiting many of them. Also it favors misfortune, so taking luck in your pretender design would hardly be a viable option.

Random nations is one thing, but lets not get crazy with randomness. I believe it's better if we voted about changing any of these.

[46852]

I agree with Psycho, random multipliers will unbalance the game a lot, even more than random nations.

[slMagnvox]

Shall we set a deadline for Tuesday evening, say 03:00 AM GMT to start. Any trades must be made before then, and Pretenders sent in.

We'll play Cradle.

Sounds great.

Put my vote down for {DEFAULT} settings. Or maybe re-roll an over-under where its either +1 click to a setting, Default, or -1 click. I was in the IRC channel and the consensus was alot of games were using so-called "CBM" but they said plenty of vanilla games too, so I am somewhat impartial on mods. How big a difference do they make on gameplay? I beat around some AI as Bandar Log and I am looking forward to the game.

[Jazzepi]

Personally I don't think you should mess with any of the settings like indies, *definitely* not staring provinces, resources multipliers, how common the events are, etc etc.

If we took the multipliers that you have listed there it would be a huge boon to resource intense nations, like MA Abysia, and I'd be fine with them.

Jazzepi

[hunt11]

im good with the game and the nation, but who do we send the gods too?

[46852]

Not absolutely opposed, but I wouldn't mind one reroll...

I'm just a beginner player, so playing Shinuyama might turn out a negative experience as it really is the last nation I'd pick :(

Prefer Mictlan? Want to swap?

For the records, MadFrancis: me and Apsophos switched nations, Mictlan <-> Shinuyama.

[Tichy]

Would the new warden of Shin care to try his hand with the statues of Agartha instead?

[Apsophos]

Would the new warden of Shin care to try his hand with the statues of Agartha instead?
No problem. This way the three of us who wanted to change are satisfied.

This makes :
46852 : Mictlan
Tichy : Shinuyama
Apsophos : Agartha

(unless, of course, other players oppose to this)

[Tichy]

Thanks a lot, Apsophos. I appreciate it.

So, where do we submit pretender files? And what is the deadline? I saw the earlier post that said Tuesday, but
3 am gmt. Is that 3am GMT Tuesday morning -- so tonight to us yanks?

[MadFrancis]

Is that 3am GMT Tuesday morning -- so tonight to us yanks?

I was shooting for around 8PM Pacific Standard on Tuesday, but my math may be off.

Im just going to make a default Cradle map on LlamaServer, at which point we can all submit pretenders. I can change details as needed if we decide on them before the deadline.

[Jazzepi]

So are we still going with the crazy resource, income, and other settings? I need to know this to build my pretender.

[Tichy]

No, that's right, and it's what I wanted to know. So 3am Wednesday morning GMT is our deadline, which is in the evening Tuesday for the west coast US.

Is that 3am GMT Tuesday morning -- so tonight to us yanks?

I was shooting for around 8PM Pacific Standard on Tuesday, but my math may be off.

Im just going to make a default Cradle map on LlamaServer, at which point we can all submit pretenders. I can change details as needed if we decide on them before the deadline.

[MadFrancis]

So are we still going with the crazy resource, income, and other settings? I need to know this to build my pretender.

Sounds to me like most people are against too much craziness. I'm just going to go with default settings, unless there is a large uproar about it in the next hour or so.

[Psycho]

I believe it's better this way. Such randomness would favor some nations or pretender builds and then it's not a fair game.

[MadFrancis]

Im having problems with the map. I am trying to have the whole map no start with the exception of 11 balanced starting positions. But when I test it out withh 11 human players the distribution is all wacky and some nations get placed ontop of others.

Anyone know why, or can anyone link me to a map editing tutorial?

[MadFrancis]

Alright, clustering the start locations works pretty well. Now if only I could get LlamaServer to recognize my .map file as a valid file ...

[Xietor]

I may be mistaken, but you may be limited, when using llamaserver, to the maps he has.
The reason i say that is I asked him if I could play a game using a map he did not have at a later date. and he said when i was ready to start the game, and it was tweaked the way i want it, he would add it to his list.

I think the reason he limited the maps was the amount of downloading involved. In any event, he will be back tomorrow and you can pm him then.

Gandalf has a server that is up and running, and you likely can play with your map on his server. That is tcp/ip however.

[MadFrancis]

Server name is MadCradle1, by the way.

[46852]

If you don't mind, MadFrancis, I'd like to drop off this game. I noticed there's another game starting where I can play Vanheim, the same nation I play in my first game.

I just started to think I might not have the time to get familiar with a new nation yet.

So if it's ok, could you just delete my freshly sent pretender?

If it's too much of a trouble or messes up the game somehow, I can try to hang in the game too, no problem.

[Apsophos]

I'm in that other game too, and with a nation I never played.
Well, I don't mind losing badly, and I know it's not everybody's case.

[46852]

I'm in that other game too, and with a nation I never played.
Well, I don't mind losing badly, and I know it's not everybody's case.

It's not the losing that I'm shunning, it's just the fact that I don't have the time to get familiar with another nation yet. Mictlan would've otherwise been an interesting nation to play... But still, when you got nine-to-five work and wife and kids at home, you don't really have the time to delve into nordic myths and the blood gods of the Aztecs all at the same time ;)

Really sorry to have dropped out of the game, but I'm glad I made the decision before the game started!

[Foodstamp]

I am willing to play Mictlan if you still have that last spot, but I won't be able to send in a pretender until this evening CST (GMT -6)

[hunt11]

I have sent my god in and i am all set

[MadFrancis]

I am willing to play Mictlan if you still have that last spot, but I won't be able to send in a pretender until this evening CST (GMT -6)

Okay.

[Tichy]

Hi -- Now that we're getting all ready to go, is there a way to change the first post to be an information page for the game (server, email address for turn submission, game name, players and their nations). It's always nice to have a quick reference.

If we can't edit posts anymore, maybe we should start a new thread for the game start.

[Jazzepi]

The first post can always be edited.

Jazzepi

[MadFrancis]

The map still is not being recognized as a valid file by LlamaServer. Until then we either use a map listed or we wait.

[James243]

Shall we just roll with the regular Cradle of Dominions? I have that in another game that I'm running and it's working great.

[slMagnvox]

Hey.

I created my pretender and then read the llamaserver FAQ so I think I know how to email it in. I don't have any mods, we aren't playing with any, are we? Should I go ahead and send my god in or should I wait for the map thing to get sorted out?

[llamabeast]

Hello guys, I'm back from holiday. If you're having some kind of problem with the map submitter thing, please PM or e-mail me (I just skim-read this).

[MadFrancis]

We're all set to go. Just waiting on Pretenders. There was a stock Cradle map with 11 starts and 1 sea so i just used that.

Once Pretenders are in this game is all go.

And no, you don't need any mods.

[James243]

Sounds great. Just 3 pretenders to go. As an fyi - once the last pretender is in the game auto-starts - so any changes need to be done before then. Not that there should be any, just an fyi.

[MadFrancis]

Yeah, we are just waiting on Abysia/Jazzepi, Vanheim/GrudgeBringer, Bandar Log/slMagnvox to submit pretenders.

[GrudgeBringer]

It appears that the Llama Faq is out of order...

I know this is dumb as I am in 5 games but I forgot how to get my Pretender created. I know go to game tools ect but do I create it hit copy then paste it in a file in the game?

[MadFrancis]

It appears that the Llama Faq is out of order...

I know this is dumb as I am in 5 games but I forgot how to get my Pretender created. I know go to game tools ect but do I create it hit copy then paste it in a file in the game?

Go to the Llama FAQ link at the bottom of the Server page ... it should take you directly to a thread in which it is laid out ... but you make your pretender in Game Tools, save and then email it to pretenders[@]llamaserver[.]net.

The subject of the email must be the server name

[Tichy]

Subject line needs to be the *game* name. "MadCradle1" I think...

[MadFrancis]

Okay ... MadCradle1 seems to have dissapeared. I am just going to repost a new game and hope it doesn't dissapear too. Please resubmit Pretenders .... :(

[Jazzepi]

E-mail Llamabeast if there's a bug.

Jazzepi

[MadFrancis]

Yup. He knows.

[llamabeast]

Don't bother doing a new game. I'll sort it all out this evening. Sorry you've had such troubles, the timing's been unfortunate with me going away (and then being busy for the last day), leaving the server with a couple of new glitches. It won't be hard to get MadCradle working again though.

[slMagnvox]

When the server's back up, we play? I'm am prepared to send hordes of mokeys to their glorious chittering deaths. Kind of anticlimax if this game doesn't run considering all the hours I spent monkeying around with the AI. Hah.

[Ershalim]

Oh I know the feeling. I think I'm prepared to fight those darn archer indies now! Last time they boxed me in for ages, but not this time. Oh no. This time it's personal!

[Psycho]

Pretenders can be sent now

[GrudgeBringer]

i have my pretender sent in for the original game...

Do I need to resend it and if so what is the name of the NEW game,'

I am oK with my nation....

[Psycho]

MadCradle2

[GrudgeBringer]

i have sent my pretender into pretenders[ at ]llamaserver[ dot ]net (with Name MadCradles2) on the subject line twicw and have not got a received notifacation.

I know LLama had to redo his server ect so is the address still the same?

I checked on our game and my pretender has NOT been received as of now.

[Psycho]

I got the notification that my pretender was received, but he's not on the list at llamaserver either. Weird. I'm sure things will be sorted out soon.

[GrudgeBringer]

I deleted the original pretender and re-created a new one thinking maybe that was the problem.

Agian I sent the 2h file to the same address.

I have NOT received a confirmation NOR a mail undelivered notice and it doesn't show up on the received list.

I am somewhat computer challenged so if anyone knows what I am doing wrong please let me know.

Thanks!!!

[llamabeast]

A small request first: Please could people not explicitly post any e-mail addresses here? If you do, they will be picked up by spambots, and the address will start receiving spam. It's quite unfortunate. One way of getting round it is to write the address in a "munged" form, e.g. pretenders[ at ]llamaserver[ dot ]net.

The server's fully functional again now - hopefully your pretender is now visible Psycho. Everything should be smooth running from here.

Grudgebringer - I think your e-mails aren't getting through. It sounds like you're doing everything correctly.
1) Try e-mailing yourself. Does it arrive?
2) E-mail your pretender file to me. Then I can check everything is okay.

[llamabeast]

Also, I'd like to apologise again for the extraordinary bad luck this game's been cursed with, server-wise. The timing's been very unlucky. Thanks very much for all your patience.

[Psycho]

He is visible now.

I think I may know what Grudgebringer's problem is. What did you put in the subject - MadCradle2 or MadCradles2? The first one is correct.

[llamabeast]

Yeah, he should still get an error message though. The LlamaServer replies to all e-mails, regardless of what's in them.

[GrudgeBringer]

Ya know I e-mailed you direct a couple of weeks ago and you said the same thing...

I have noticed I am noew getting about 8 spams every time I log oN....(sigh) my bad!!!

I e-mailed myself and got it immediately back.

I am e-mailing my pretender in agian, it is Vanheim and I will mail it now at 8:45 AM CST (I don't know GMT sorry)/

If you have any ideas let me know because obviously I can post on here....

As I said my first pretender to the original game went thru.

Now I DID upgrade to 3.20 but it wouldn't take it before that. I also have my mods on and CBM is on...could that be the cause?

Thanks for all you do...your always gracious.:doh:

[Foodstamp]

He is visible now.

I think I may know what Grudgebringer's problem is. What did you put in the subject - MadCradle2 or MadCradles2? The first one is correct.

Grudgebringer, reread the quoted post, I think Psycho is right and this is what was going on?

[GrudgeBringer]

Trust me...i have sent it in as MadCradle2, Madcradle2 and with a space between the 2h MadCandle2,

The problem is I am not even receiving a "Mail undeliverable" notice.

I can email myself..and Llama got my e-mail. I can Post...I just can't get my Dang Pretender to get sent in. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr:mad:

[Psycho]

Try from a different email account. If you don't have one, just open a gmail account.

[MadFrancis]

Marignon
Ashdod
Agartha
Bandar Log
Caelum
T'ien Ch'i
Shinuyama
Mictlan
R'lyeh

These nations have a pretender sent in. The name of the game is in the thread title 'MadCradle2'. The game was deleted, so anyone who hasn't sent in a second pretender needs to now. I will set the game to automatic start so that as soon as the last pretender is submitted the game will start.

[Psycho]

Are we going to start soonish?

[Jazzepi]

Okay, I submitted mine. MA Abysia.

Jazzepi

[hunt11]

Is anybody going to build items just for the purpose of selling them?

[GrudgeBringer]

somehow I got HelHeim in so I am ready to roll:D

[GrudgeBringer]

Could you please resend turn 1 for Helheim to my other e-mail as I can't transfer it.

sfyke@kc.rr.com

thanks:D

[llamabeast]

GrudgeBringer, don't post your e-mail address! You will get spam like crazy.

However, I have just realised that you have ended up using gmail instead of kc.rr.com because I told you to send your pretender from gmail, forgetting that the server would remember that address. Okay... changed. I will have it resend your turn to your kc.rr.com address.

In future you can send turns from gmail with impunity. The next turn will still come back to your kc.rr.com address.

[GrudgeBringer]

thank you....it seems like all of a sudden I can send turns in from my original e-mail.

I don't know about pretenders but the turns got sent in ok....Thanks for your patiance..

[Psycho]

Bandar, I sent you a PM. If you don't want to respond that's OK, just wanted to be sure you know about it.

[llamabeast]

GB - yeah, I turned off the spam filter. It turned out it was catching some people's e-mails. Yours must have been one of them. Took me a while to realise that was the problem.

[hunt11]

anybody who needs nature gems i am willing to trade them for any other type of gem

[Tichy]

Hi -- Who is managing this game now?

Marignon is stalingX2, and is played by MadFrancis, who started the game. Only has 4 provinces.

Can we get him set to AI?

Thanks.

[Psycho]

MadFrancis is the admin and llama is away on holiday unfortunately.

[GrudgeBringer]

Gentlemen, I am leaving Weds morning and will not be back until sometime Monday as I have to go to Aspen to play Rugby.

I can stale ans ee where I am when I get back or I can put it on AI.

Sorry but this can't be helped and I din not intend for this to happen when we started this game.

If I don't hear from anyone I will put it on AI tomorrow night late...:doh:

[Tichy]

Be sure to post on the MP board asking for a sub before you do something drastic like go AI.
Thanks.

[Psycho]

No use, there is no one to change the e-mail address. I guess Mictlan and TC will have a feast now

[Foodstamp]

What makes you say that? I play for fun, not to win at all costs. Why don't you hop your birds through my provinces and take them yourself?

I won't be touching Vanheim's lands while he is gone out of respect, that's not the way I roll.

[Psycho]

Sorry if that came out wrong, it wasn't anything offensive directed at you or TC player. I just meant that one of you two (or both) will have an easier time with one opponent.

I know I would take those provinces and I don't see how attacking a nation gone AI is playing to win at all costs. I hope that doesn't make me dishonest.

[Tichy]

Oops, that's right -- sorry GrudgeBringer.

Psycho -- going AI is one thing, and up for grabs unless someone else has right of conquest (i.e. if the player went AI at the end of a losing war, the winning player rightfully views another player eating up the remaining provinces without permission as a hostile act.)

Foodstamp was talking about not horning in on him while he's unavoidably staling. If Van decides to stay with us and not AI, I think we should all go hands off of him till he gets back. (Easy for me to say, I don't even know where Van is.)

[Foodstamp]

Aye if he goes AI I would gobble him up, but if he wants to come back and play, I don't want to benefit off something that is a missing host's fault and not the player controlling the nation.

[GrudgeBringer]

I didn't want to ask for an extension that long as I would not want to have to wait 5 days (and in a fairly new game at that).

I always try to be up front with my intentions where some would just bail on the game.

I wanted to do what was best for the game and all the remaining players.

I am not at war with anyone and actually I got off to a slow start so this isn't going to help.

However, I am not one to quit easily but I also don't want to go 50 turns trying to just catch up.

I appreciate the Honor among you for not attacking a person who has to stale by cicumstance and not happenstance.

You tell me what you want me to do thats best for the game and I will do it.

BUT, tell me by tomorrow night as if I don't hear from anyone I will AI it.:(

[Foodstamp]

My vote is for you to keep playing. You are not at war with anyone, and I am pretty sure the other players will agree not to attack you this early in the game. When you get back you will be in a weakened position, but that should give you a good excuse to play for fun and try some wacky stuff.

If you go AI your kingdom will be pretty easy pickings for your closest neighbor and may possibly give us an advantage over the other players.

[Psycho]

Oops, that's right -- sorry GrudgeBringer.

Psycho -- going AI is one thing, and up for grabs unless someone else has right of conquest (i.e. if the player went AI at the end of a losing war, the winning player rightfully views another player eating up the remaining provinces without permission as a hostile act.)

Foodstamp was talking about not horning in on him while he's unavoidably staling. If Van decides to stay with us and not AI, I think we should all go hands off of him till he gets back. (Easy for me to say, I don't even know where Van is.)

I was not talking about horning in on him while he's unavoidably staling. I assumed he would go AI, since even if he finds a sub, he wouldn't be able to switch him over.

That said, I have no problem with waiting for GB, or letting him stale if he's not attacked, whatever works for the others.

[MadFrancis]

Hi all. I had a bit of bad luck concerning my internet over the last four days, and have not been able to access my emails or the internet. Sorry for any unfortunates that may have happened while I was unreachable. Comcast "promises" that it shouldn't happen again, but of course, what do they care. ;)

In any case, I am just going to try and pick up where I left off. If anyone sent me a PM and I have not repsonded, it's probably because I had a ton in my inbox when I got home from work this evening and found my internet working again. I am trying to repsond to everyone, but please if I dont, resend me anything, important or not.

Thanks and sorry for the disruption if any has been caused. Now to try and salvage a game that has staled four times ...:doh:

[GrudgeBringer]

OK, if I receive a turn by 4 AM wes Morning CST I will get it in and stale until Monday and proceed as usual.

Thanks to all for allowing me to continue and your right, maybe I can play spoiler and if you can't win there is NOTHING better than playing spoiler!!

See ya Monday!!:D

[Foodstamp]

This may not be an issue. I read in another thread llamabeast is not supposed to be back until the 20th, so that may be the next time we see a hosting of this game.

[GrudgeBringer]

Well, for me anyway that may work out better as I will be back at 11 PM the 22.:D

[James243]

Hey Grudge,

First off, you're a legend for playing Rugby!

I'm your neighbour and absolutely won't attack you. And MadFrancis - if you need a little helping hand I for one, and perhaps others, would happily pay a little in exchange for good feelings down the road :)

Grudge, it sounds like you being away for a few days may not matter. If there are actually any turns played, I'll keep an eye on your border, and if anyone dares attack... :O

Enjoy the trip! And welcome back MadCradle.

[James243]

We're back!

Sounds like Grudge will miss a turn, maybe 2, but that shouldn't make his position too bad.

[hunt11]

I'm going to be gone until friday so i am getting a sub

[MadFrancis]

Just so you all know: Marignon isn't doing so well (really unlucky initial independent neighbors). I imagine that after four or five hard fought turns I shall be a nation in memory only. As such is the case, soon I will be passing along the admin status and was just wondering who feels up to the task?

[GrudgeBringer]

I am back with only one stale...turn is submitted thanks for leaving my pitiful little kindom alone...

[James243]

Hey MadFrancis,

Sorry to hear that - it happens. Was it the 3 Air Mages? Lizardmen?

I'm happy to admin - done 2 before. PM me the password.

Cheers,

James.

[Ershalim]

Oh Marignon, buying out our mercenaries? Clever, but now that your accursed immortal fortress has fallen, your time has come. Everyone knows a roaring wave can not be stopped once it has crested.

(Although I might simply be taunting AI now. Huh.) :x

[MadFrancis]

Oh Marignon, buying out our mercenaries? Clever, but now that your accursed immortal fortress has fallen, your time has come. Everyone knows a roaring wave can not be stopped once it has crested.

(Although I might simply be taunting AI now. Huh.) :x

There is still some breath in us left. Don't count us out so fast. If it is all we can do we will be, if not the thorn in your side, at least the sliver in your little toe. Woe to the enemies of Marignon, weilders of nasty toe slivers!

[Ershalim]

Your slivers are fearsome, to be sure. You've managed to keep up your fortress of impenetrable impenetrability with nothing but toothpicks and unsafe floorings!

But soon. Soon the rubber-soled footwear of the soft-skinned amphibious people of R'yleh will topple your cardhouses and paper-cut based standing armies!!

[James243]

Not sure how often folks check this forum...but any objections to me changing the hosting to 48 hours? Just getting to be a fair bit of work now and one turn staled because I took too long doing it. The turns should still go quickly because they'll auto-resolve once everyones turn is in.

[Jazzepi]

That would be fine by me.

Jazzepi

[Psycho]

I still don't need more time, but don't object to moving to 48

[Tichy]

I'm kind of enjoying the fast turn around, but I don't have any objections if others are having trouble sending turns in on time.

Given my druthers, I'd move to 48 in five turns or so.

[hunt11]

i'm good with anything, just as long as people try to get their turns in as soon as they can.

[Foodstamp]

Normally I am pretty easy going on this stuff, but I have been pretty busy at work lately, so 48 hours would be a welcome change to me. That being said, I won't piss and moan if it stays 24 hours for now.

[Psycho]

James it would be nice if you could put Bandar on AI, he's not playing any more

[James243]

I'll make the change to 48, but encourage everyone to take their turns as quickly as possible. In my experience 48 rarely happens - it's just nice to have a fallback when other parts of life make it difficult.

However, the password I was sent isn't working. I've written to MadFrancis - I figure it's just misspelt or something. I'll make Bandar AI once I get that too.

[Psycho]

James, you sent the ingame message to me instead of Marignon. Anyway I am sure Marignon will have hard feelings since they are AI controlled.

[Tichy]

Can we force host? Everyone's turn is in except BL, who hasn't played the last three turns.
Thanks.

[Psycho]

You didn't have a CD key violation for playing two nations with the same key?

[Ershalim]

I don't think it happens every time. I think in CD key violations it will randomly stale a turn for whoever happens to be violating; it think it works out so that you can still play, but none of your orders will be carried out on those turns.

[James243]

Oddly enough, nothing happened for me last turn, including not moving a large army away from another large army. I'm not sure if it was just me being a dunce (entirely possible I admit!) or if it was something to do with my computer playing two turns. I think it's the former htough...

[James243]

oh, btw - that message I was trying to send to marignon - i didn't have marignon as an in game message option for some reason. I couldn't be bothered looking into it so i just sent to everyone.

[hunt11]

i had just gotten the new turn and was checking what had happened, in the overview map and the battle report it had said that i had lost a battle, but in the actual battle replay, I had won that battle

[llamabeast]

Yeah, I can confirm the issue. Quite annoying.

I tried rehosting the turn on my home computer and didn't get the same bug though, which is annoying because it means there's no point sending the files to JK. However, I saw how your guys could easily lose. If any of the T'ien Ch'i lances reached them without having first been blunted on your troops, they cut your SCs down horribly quickly.

[llamabeast]

Yeah, I can confirm the issue. Quite annoying.

I tried rehosting the turn on my home computer and didn't get the same bug though, which is annoying because it means there's no point sending the files to JK. However, I saw how your guys could easily lose. If any of the T'ien Ch'i lances reached them without having first been blunted on your troops, they cut your SCs down horribly quickly.

[hunt11]

but they bless themselves first turn, and then they started to buff themselves, what is really strange is that my guy got the affliction from the battle which is actually shown.

[James243]

Yeah, this was weird. I watched the battle and was feeling all depressed...and then in the campaign level I had won.

It'll be temporary though. I don't have an answer to your SCs hunt.

[Psycho]

Good game Agartha! You really put up a good defense and made me use a lot more mages in this war then I wanted to. And that suicidal earthquake I sure wasn't expecting - good move.

[hunt11]

Guys, I am going to be gone Friday and Saturday, so should i look for a sub, or could you stall the game for me instead?

[James243]

Sigh...still a lot to learn in this game. Set up a mind duel, my SC is higher astral than the opponents, even did communions for good measure, thought I had the ranges ok...and my SC decides to buff himself instead. And dies...again...sigh... What did I miss?

[vfb]

Communion does not boost magic duel, and range is 100.

Did you give your caster a pearl?

[Psycho]

Can we turn quickhost off? Llamaserver keeps accepting my .2h file from the previous turn. I want to send the new .2h to see whether it'll stop. If it keeps accepting the old one after that, I would like to request delay until this is sorted out.

[Psycho]

I am looking to buy a few dwaren hammers. Payment is available in a wide variety of items (up to constr6), all types of gems and money. Please PM me with your offers.

[Psycho]

Someone (admin?) should make a thread looking for a sub for R'lyeh while they are still playable. They were doing well, it would be a shame for it to go to waste.

On another topic, I am still looking for hammers, so don't be shy with your offers.

[Tichy]

Any word on what's going on with R'lyeh?

[Psycho]

I asked Executor to take over R'lyeh and he accepted. I already sent PMs to both our admin and llama to switch R'lyeh to his email, so that R'lyeh doesn't stale for the 6th time in a row. If there are any objections, please say now.

[Foodstamp]

Sorry I was a bit late on seeing this. No objections here. I noticed Tien Chi is staling as well but is still in a strong position. We may want to ask someone to take over that spot as well if he stales a few more turns.

[hunt11]

Sure, thats fine with me.

[Executor]

Hello all,
I've taken over R'lyeh, and I see that I'm clearly in no winning position but I'm sure I can do some damage and turn the tides of war a little.
If anyone wants to trade astral gems for earth or fire, I'm your man. The price if 1.2 for 1 astral gem.
Anyone interested, PM me.

[Psycho]

WTF? Check out TC's forts graph.

[Tichy]

He borders me. They just popped up all over!

My theory: sitting on an acre of earth gems, just researched Wizard's Tower, had a big Wizard Tower-ing party.

Net benefit? No idea.

[Psycho]

Not likely, since he staled the last two turns.

Also, looks like we'll need a sub for Mictlan as well

[Foodstamp]

Aye sorry, work has taken me away from dominions in the most dramatic manner. I apologize for giving no notice and for not being able to find a sub on my own. Goodluck to those who remain, I had fun. :).

[hunt11]

Unless something has changed I am subbing for Mictlan, if you have any diplomatic agreements with Mictlan could you send me the details.

[Psycho]

You are in charge of Mictlan now hunt11. I delayed the game, so you have full 48h to do your turn.

[James243]

Guys, work is nuts right now (in a bunch of messy ways really). I've been trying to hang in so as to not give advantages/disadvantages, but with all my stales I don't think I'm helping things. It's been fun - and educational - but I've gotta turn to AI.

Cheers,

James.

[Psycho]

On hunt11's request game is delayed until after new year.

[Tichy]

I didn't ask for it, but I'm glad for the delay. Thanks for being on top of it hunt11 and psycho.

[Psycho]

Are any of you sending a fighter to the arena?

[hunt11]

I will

[Tichy]

Wasn't planning to.

[Psycho]

Come on, it'll be fun. You don't have to send a Tartarian, just send somebody.

[Tichy]

Ok, will do. Come on big money big money, no slave collars...

[Psycho]

Tichy, we had the same tactic, it just that my guy was too scary for that Tartarian. Next time I'm organizing bets.

[hunt11]

That was the oddest thing I ever saw, one minute he is fine, but one lightning bast and he runs for the hills.

[Tichy]

I softened him up. Totally.

[Psycho]

Tichy, I hope you wouldn't mind me setting Rlyeh to AI now that you're attacking them.

[Tichy]

Give me a turn, please, so I can move defenders into place. I'm looking ahead to the end-game. That border between you and I left you quite a bit of TC fish in a barrel for you to shoot, with me sitting tight while R'lyeh's misfortune dominion creeped towards me. So I needs to even the odds a touch.

By the way, have we lost the Mictlan player? If so we should AI both of them.

[Psycho]

It's OK to give you a turn to set your defenders in place, but don't use the extra turn of Rlyeh staling to take over more of his provinces. I fought with AI Tien Chi all the time. I didn't attack while he was staling.

I didn't even notice Mictlan was staling. I've sent him a PM as well. I also postponed this turn for 24 hours so it doesn't host before I hear from him.

[Tichy]

OK -- Point taken, although I can't imagine there's been much to TC's AI lately. Even the last few provinces I took from him turns ago it was just throwing chaff at me.

I got bored, and I wanted to push back the misfortune dominion. All I've been doing the last few turns was retaking provinces lost to barbarian hordes. I was expecting Mictlan to finish researching and then make a move on one of us...not vanish.

[hunt11]

Sorry about stalling, but I sent my turn in and I will not stall again.

[Psycho]

Executor promised to turn Rlyeh to AI on next turn.

[Psycho]

I am traveling tomorrow, so I've delayed the game by 24h. I hope nobody minds.

[Psycho]

I am going to have less time for dominions for a while. And since we are well into late game, I though of starting a motion to move to 72h turns. Anyone in favor?

[Tichy]

That's fine with me.

[Psycho]

OK, two votes in favor, one abstained, we move to 72h.

[Psycho]

Would anyone object to postponing this turn for 48 hours? I am going to have a busy weekend.

[Tichy]

no problem

[Tichy]

Hey guys: I said ok to one 48 hour push back. This is now the *third* one. Are we still playing?

[Psycho]

Mictlan complained that his computer broke down and asked for an extension for all his games in a separate thread. Yes we have delayed this game a lot, but I can't let him stale in this critical moment. I'll PM him to see why is it taking so long.

[Tichy]

OK, I didn't catch that.

[Psycho]

So, we're done. Tichy, you were a good opponent, but my gem income was just too much. Having three gem globals for such a long time was unexpected. Besides what the graphs showed, I had over 200 clams which I forged in my banefire forges. I also wished twice per turn for gems for quite some time now (when I weren't wishing for seraphs and chayots). And the long period of peace allowed me to accumulate over 40k gold and over 4k gems in my stash before this war began. I didn't even begin to spend any of that. My power was just too overwhelming.

As for the game, after the initial war with Agartha, who fought well, but was caught between me and Bandar, I found banefire forges in a province next to Agartha capital and enchantresses in another of his provinces. So, I just sat back and used my big water income to forge all the clams I could. I used wishing for gems as a way to alchemize other gems into water with a 1 for 1 ratio (and later I did it for nature gems for GoRing Tartarians). Graphs showed I was number three all along and I waited for the war between you (Shin) and Mictlan, which never happened. In the meantime I grew in power and tried to keep up with you in the number of provinces. So I teleported to the other end of the map to attack TC. And when you finally went after Rlyeh, I convinced Mictlan that we must react against you.

I've never had a game enter such a late stage stage before. In the end I was ridiculously powerful. Even a fight with you seemed like a walk in the park.

[Tichy]

Yeah, I had nowhere near that kind of power. I was sitting on about a dozen clams and five or six bloodstones. I was wishing for things about once every three turns.

I, also, was waiting for a war between me and Mictlan...I would have won that one...

As soon as I saw you throwing dozens of remote assassination spells and ghost riders at me every turn, I realized just how many orders of magnitude higher your resources were than mine. I could mount about three or four of those spells per turn.

Will you declare the victory on the hall of fame, or should I submit your name?

[Psycho]

I had capability for 8 ghost riders, 2 flames from the sky, 7 earth attacks, 6 disease demons, 3 mind hunts and countless seeking arrows (which I didn't use) per turn. This is without counting seraphs, chayots and the pretender.

I'll post in the HoF.