Damage death?

[Executor]

Soul slay is supposed to be damage death, but it isn't it is 999.
This I found out by trying to slay a Sphinx with 1000+ health that couldn't be killed differently with body etherial and luck and 30+ protection.
So after about 20-30 failed attempts one lucky soul slay strikes but he's still alive?
Would this mean that it can't be mind hunted since slay can't kill in first shot?

Feel free to share interesting situations like this one.

[konming]

It's a known issue. You can cast 30 shatters on him and he should be done.

[K]

Soul slay is supposed to be damage death, but it isn't it is 999.
This I found out by trying to slay a Sphinx with 1000+ health that couldn't be killed differently with body etherial and luck and 30+ protection.
So after about 20-30 failed attempts one lucky soul slay strikes but he's still alive?
Would this mean that it can't be mind hunted since slay can't kill in first shot?

Feel free to share interesting situations like this one.

He can be Mind Hunted. It just means that two successful Mind Hunts are needed.

This is because damage is healed at a certain point in the turn, so if you cast multiple rituals that damage enemies you can partially damage a unit with one ritual and then kill them with the next since it all takes place during the Ritual phase.

[Edi]

Soul slay is supposed to be damage death, but it isn't it is 999.
This I found out by trying to slay a Sphinx with 1000+ health that couldn't be killed differently with body etherial and luck and 30+ protection.
So after about 20-30 failed attempts one lucky soul slay strikes but he's still alive?
Would this mean that it can't be mind hunted since slay can't kill in first shot?

Feel free to share interesting situations like this one.

He can be Mind Hunted. It just means that two successful Mind Hunts are needed.

This is because damage is healed at a certain point in the turn, so if you cast multiple rituals that damage enemies you can partially damage a unit with one ritual and then kill them with the next since it all takes place during the Ritual phase.
Mind hunt a sphinx? You've got to be kidding me! The thing has astral magic natively, so any mind hunter who tries gets feebleminded.

[Jazzepi]

Soul slay is supposed to be damage death, but it isn't it is 999.
This I found out by trying to slay a Sphinx with 1000+ health that couldn't be killed differently with body etherial and luck and 30+ protection.
So after about 20-30 failed attempts one lucky soul slay strikes but he's still alive?
Would this mean that it can't be mind hunted since slay can't kill in first shot?

Feel free to share interesting situations like this one.

He can be Mind Hunted. It just means that two successful Mind Hunts are needed.

This is because damage is healed at a certain point in the turn, so if you cast multiple rituals that damage enemies you can partially damage a unit with one ritual and then kill them with the next since it all takes place during the Ritual phase.
Mind hunt a sphinx? You've got to be kidding me! The thing has astral magic natively, so any mind hunter who tries gets feebleminded.

Not any. There's a chance it gets through without the hunter getting damaged.

Jazzepi

[Edi]

Yes, there's a chance, but it isn't very good from what I've seen.

[Jazzepi]

Yes, there's a chance, but it isn't very good from what I've seen.

I believe it's 20%.

Jazzepi

[Tifone]

Well the Sphynx starts at S3, so if the chance of cutting the chord of the mind hunter really is 40% * S level, as stated by the manual, you don't have a chance ^_^

But a Black Bow of Botulf, and it becomes just an useless and cumbersome piece of rock in a square ^_^

[Jazzepi]

Well the Sphynx starts at S3, so if the chance of cutting the chord of the mind hunter really is 40% * S level, as stated by the manual, you don't have a chance ^_^

But a Black Bow of Botulf, and it becomes just an useless and cumbersome piece of rock in a square ^_^

Really? I thought it was just a straight percentage chance.

Oh well. I mean, it's not really a legit strategy to try to mind hunt astral SCs D:

Jazzepi

[ano]

Anyway from what I know it is never possible to mindhunt an astral mage.
Am I wrong?

[Psycho]

You are not wrong. If you try to hunt an astral mage of any level he will cut your astral cord. If you try to hunt a province where there are both astral and non-astral mages and astral mages are level 1 or 2, you have a chance of killing a non-astral mage.

[Executor]

Edi, You're missing the point, if you could mind hunt it you couldn't kill it because of its hit points, I just find that interesting.

[Edi]

Edi, You're missing the point, if you could mind hunt it you couldn't kill it because of its hit points, I just find that interesting.
That is true. I do not dispute this point. E.g. mod sphinx to have no astral but fire magic instead and then it does become a question of requiring astral mages as bodyguards to prevent death by mindhunt, or in this case multiple mindhunts.

My initial reaction was to a suggestion of mindhunting something that automatically has astral magic. That sort of things kind of stick out to me. I would never even have made the comment because without modding, it is absolutely irrelevant to a real in-game scenario.

[Micah]

You are not wrong. If you try to hunt an astral mage of any level he will cut your astral cord.

False.

[K]

My initial reaction was to a suggestion of mindhunting something that automatically has astral magic. That sort of things kind of stick out to me. I would never even have made the comment because without modding, it is absolutely irrelevant to a real in-game scenario.

Yeh, I totally forgot that Sphinxes have base S3. Good catch.

[Psycho]

You are not wrong. If you try to hunt an astral mage of any level he will cut your astral cord.

False.

Well I did test it in SP, but apparently not extensively enough. You are right as always. You can kill an S1 or S2 mage via mind hunt. Although it bothers me - how can he not discover that astral cord when you're attacking him?

Also boosters help in detecting mind hunters. I remember someone asking that some time ago.

[Agema]

You could imagine astral probes and attacks as a bit like trying to sneak into someone's house. The better the homeowner is at astral magic, the better he can equip his house with intruder alarms, CCTV, guard dogs and so on. So a weak astral mage may only realise there's an astral assassin in his house when he's just woken up with his metaphorical throat already cut.

[Sombre]

I stubbed my metaphorical toe once and it hurt like all getout. I can't begin to imagine what having your metaphorical throat cut feels like.