Greenrow: noobs, slowpace -- game on

[Boronx]

This game is running! Good luck.

llamaserver faq: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=35160

Greenrow info page on llamaserver: http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Greenrow

put Greenrow as the subject.

style: PBEM
server: llamaserver.net
Map: Dawn of Dominions
Age: Early
Turns: 72 hours

Noobs only please!

All other settings default.

No mods.

12 players. This map has set nations (and from the description is unbalanced).

EASY NATIONS (according to description)
Ermor: Klepto
Sauromatia: GrudgeBringer
Oceania: Ossa
Vanheim: Fakeymcfake

AVERAGE NATIONS
C'tis: licker
Helheim: Boronx
Kailasa: Psycho
Agartha: Fickle

HARD NATIONS
Arcoscephale: Skirmisher
Marverni: Pelthin
Ulm: Tifone

SUPER HARD NATIONS
Caelum: Solmyr

[Ossa]

I'd go for Oceania!

[solmyr]

I'll try Caelum.

[licker]

I'd like the lizards of C'tis please

[Psycho]

I've finished 2 games so far and play 2 more at the moment. I've also been a temporary sub (10-15 turns) in another 4-5 games. If this level of experience is acceptable to you I would like Kailasa.

[Pelthin]

I am kind of new, I have played in a few games and lost badly. :)

I would like Marverni if that is okay.

Thanks.

[GrudgeBringer]

I am in 2 games and have played 3 others (1 I lost in a record 19 turns...sigh)

But I will take Sauromantia if this is acceptable

If someone REALLY REALLY wants Sauro I MIGHT take Argatha but prefer Sauro

[Fakeymcfake]

I'll give Van a try if it's alright.

[Klepto]

Ermor please. This will be my 1st game against real people so I need all the easy I can get :)

[Fickle]

Agartha please.

[Skirmisher]

Arcoscephale please.

[Tifone]

Is ok if I take Ulm, please? (I asked for Fomoria but realized later it wasn't included ^^) Thanx for setting up the game ;) My first game btw

[Boronx]

My first game, too.

The game is full, you can create your pretenders and email them to pretenders@llamaserver.net

See http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=35160 for the details about sending in pretenders, playing a turn and any other llamaserver stuff.

The game should start when everyone has sent their pretender fils. It will start with the default time limits. I think only at that point can I get in and change the turn time limit to 72 hours.

[solmyr]

ok, I'm in.

[Klepto]

Good luck everyone!

[licker]

I'll get my pretender in tonight.

[Tifone]

Pretender sent. Looking forward to meet ya all there soon :hammer: :p
For communicating with Ulm (me), feel free to PM me whenever you want (it's ok even to use in-game messages but they arrive with 1 turn delay as you prolly know); if you want my Win Live Messenger address for fast messages PM me. ;)

Peace (?), GL HF :D

[GrudgeBringer]

OK will have mine in tonight..........Gooooooooooo Saurooo

[Fakeymcfake]

Just sent mine off, looking forwards to playing with you fine people. Since I appear to be the last, lets get to it.

[licker]

Yeah, looking good so far...

Beware the lizards ;)

[solmyr]

So it starts:) GL

||Eagle Lord of High Caelum is looking for skilled blacksmith nation to partner with. We offer you both peace and gems.:p

[Tifone]

As I see I was almost the last one to send the first turn, I just wanted to inform that I'll be able to send my turns everyday, but due to my university duties, only around 19.00-21.00 hour GMT.
Best wishes, I hope we'll all have good fun ;)

[Boronx]

No sweat. This game is made for people who can't play every day. I've got free time this week, but next week, who knows? I might have trouble getting two turns in.

[Skirmisher]

Nice map choice. It's interesting how each nation is given a spot true to it's description.

[GrudgeBringer]

Not me...I should have all milk & Honey surronded by Virgins cause Sauro is a good Nation, a Fine Nation, one that you would be PROUD to have run your country for you while you bask in one of our...errrr, ahhh Spa's.

[Skirmisher]

It doesn't mention anything about those things in the description.
It did however mention something about Masters of Dark Sorcery.

Fine and Good doesn't really seem to apply there. You'd probably just use those virgins for your dark rituals.

[Boronx]

I'm pretty shallow. I picked this map because I like the look of it.

[Fakeymcfake]

You'd probably just use those virgins for your dark rituals.

You mean to tell me there are other uses?

[Tifone]

You mean to tell me there are other uses?

Didn't mom tell you anything 'bout bees and flowers...? :D

[Fakeymcfake]

Didn't mom tell you anything 'bout bees and flowers...? :D

Bees and flowers? Can they also be used to appease the dark gods? I'd think they'd rather something a bit more, I don't know, gruesome to be honest. Sounds like something you'd give to a puny harvest god.

[Skirmisher]

I just wanted to inform everybody that my internet connect at the house went kuput. I have to wait up to 72 hours until it will be resolved. I could send my turns from the library where I am now,they have an A: drive here. But I would have to get the turns here as well in order to bring them home and play them.
I will send the latest turn in tomorrow at some point.
I will do my best to keep my end up, but not having the internet at home is a hassle to say the least.:re:

[Skirmisher]

Ok lol, now it's working. Not sure what gives.
:up: Maybe they fixed it.
I'll get that turn sent now (I hope)

[Skirmisher]

Ok turn sent, looks like I can do everything here at the library no problem. My home internet worked for like 5 minutes then was gone again.

[Fakeymcfake]

This game is moving along fairly fast for a "slowpace" game, but I figure it'll slow once we swallow up all the neutral territory.

[Skirmisher]

Yup it sure is, I just sent in the next one and now my internet is back it seems.

[Tifone]

There is a problem!

The page of the game is no longer available in the llamaserver page! What's happening?

[licker]

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Greenrow

Still there for me...

[solmyr]

one question:

Shall we post all the open treaties (non-aggression, alliance, etc.) on the forum to let other nation know that?

[Klepto]

one question:

Shall we post all the open treaties (non-aggression, alliance, etc.) on the forum to let other nation know that?

Personally I was planning on role playing all the diplomacy using in-game messaging. I'm happy for there to be a list here although it may remove some intrigue from negotiations, I can think of a few instances where covert alliances could be useful.

[solmyr]

one question:

Shall we post all the open treaties (non-aggression, alliance, etc.) on the forum to let other nation know that?

Personally I was planning on role playing all the diplomacy using in-game messaging. I'm happy for there to be a list here although it may remove some intrigue from negotiations, I can think of a few instances where covert alliances could be useful.

Yeah, I agree with the covert treaties. What I want to address is the open treaties. A nation will be under a lot of pressure to default on a disclosed peace treaty or military alliance than to back down on a undisclosed one.

BTW, I'm planning to RP all the diplomacy through in-game message, too. It will be one turn delay, but it's really realistic.

[Tifone]

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Greenrow

Still there for me...

Yeah, sorry. I got panicked bcuz for a 20 minutes the server was telling me "there doesn't exist a game with this name" in that same page. Dunno what happened :D

-

On the other topic, I am heartily in favour of the Machiavellian diplomacy. While I will keep my word, it's ok for me to keep pacts secret and not-so-much-binding ^_^

[Tifone]

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Greenrow

Still there for me...

Yep, for me too now. I was panicked bcuz for around 20 minutes the server said "there wasn't a game with that name" in the same page. :p

BTW, I'm planning to RP all the diplomacy through in-game message, too. It will be one turn delay, but it's really realistic.

Oh, it's ok for me too so forgive me if I sent you a forum pm before you said that :)

Btw I agree with covert treaties, i find them more fun and roleplay-friendly. Having to describe on the forum every little change of the relationship with neighbour and friends and enemies would be terribly boring, also :D

EDIT Sorry, almost double post, thought the old one wasn't posted and I can't edit them now no more.

[GrudgeBringer]

As far as 'Covert' Alliances and NAP's go, they are fine and perfectly acceptable.

The purpose of the 'Public' declaration is to ensure that Naps and Alliances have a way of being recognized and regulated.

In a nut shell.....IF you have a covert NAP with a 3 turn warning with me and for some reason I just decide its over and attack you, then there is no whining that the agreement wasn't kept because it WASN'T public.

IF you put your agreement in public the other players in the game know who is honorable and who isn't and will react to the agreement breaker in there own way.

[Klepto]

BTW, I'm planning to RP all the diplomacy through in-game message, too. It will be one turn delay, but it's really realistic.

That's the way I see it, what would be really realistic would be a requirement that you can only send messages if you have troops in or adjacent to the recipient's provinces. Just an observation, it's not how Dom3 works, I'm not suggesting we play that way.

IF you put your agreement in public the other players in the game know who is honorable and who isn't and will react to the agreement breaker in there own way.

That's a very good point, is this how things usually work? I think perhaps I mistook solmyr's initial suggestion for something more restrictive than it actually is. We don't seem to be talking about a requirement that treaties are made public, only using the forums as a, uh, forum from making proclamations of the public parts. This is IMO a good idea, it will make it easy to keep track of events.

Assuming we do this I will begin in-game negotiations concerning exactly what details are made public next turn.

[Psycho]

The fact that an agreement of any sort is not made public is not an excuse to break it on a whim.

[Fakeymcfake]

That's the way I see it, what would be really realistic would be a requirement that you can only send messages if you have troops in or adjacent to the recipient's provinces. Just an observation, it's not how Dom3 works, I'm not suggesting we play that way.


Eh, not really. I could imagine that each group would be capable of sending messengers alone or with a small entourage to other groups even if they weren't neighboring each other. If you look at it in that light it works with how messages are dealt with now as the turn it takes for the message to reach the recipient acts as that month of travel time for the messenger.

[Klepto]

I could imagine that each group would be capable of sending messengers alone or with a small entourage to other groups even if they weren't neighboring each other.

I'm perfectly satisfied as it is, I was just thinking aloud really. Stealth units could play the role you describe. Are they still taking feature requests for Dom4?

[licker]

Are you suggesting that we not communicate via PMs on this board?

I get the 'realism' of the in game messaging, but honestly its a PITA for trying to arrange any coordination.

[Fakeymcfake]

Eh, I'll talk to people either in game or through PMs here. It's a lot easier to use PMs when dealing with issues that require a fair amount of back and forth, such as planning out a joint attack or something similar.

Oh and Klepto, out of curiosity, did you happen to have a character by that same name in a WoW server a few years ago?

[GrudgeBringer]

I think all this is being taken out of context...

Should you break an agreement...EVER, for ANY reason?

There was a 24 page Post on that exact subject along with a 30 page post on what actually CONSTITUTES a nap and trying to come up with one that could be used as a 'Norm' for most games.

The outcome....just what you think, there where 100 different opinions on everything from WHEN a Nap started and ended to when it could be broken ect.

Bottom line, I personally believe in 'Covert agreements' for lack of a better word.

But BEWARE, there are people that will break an agreement in a win all attitude on this sight.

The biggest and easiest way to break a Nap in IMHO is to simply come on the forum and say "I dissolve our nap starting the 3 turn notice on turn 32".

If the person doesn't check the forums reguarly then its his fault but you WILL start hearing and knowing of people that "skirt" the rules.

I personally have a list of Honorable Players and Dishonerable players and while I will ALWAYS keep my word it does reflect how I view players that are a game with me. And its added to and subtracted from all the time.

Keep your Covert agreements because this game can't be played with everything in public...HOWEVER, just because you SHOULD never break an alliance doesn't mean it won't be broke. It WILL be your word agianst his when the time comes and you will BOTH have a very convincing argument I am sure.

Just an opinion

[GrudgeBringer]

Licker, go on the IRC channel and go privite with the person you need to talk to. Its live back and forth so you can iron out stuff pretty quick.

[licker]

Well that's no different from passing PMs, though it is quicker...

But I'm not worried about it, I was just trying to clarify if solymer wanted this game played completely within the game.

[solmyr]

That's the way I see it, what would be really realistic would be a requirement that you can only send messages if you have troops in or adjacent to the recipient's provinces. Just an observation, it's not how Dom3 works, I'm not suggesting we play that way.


Eh, not really. I could imagine that each group would be capable of sending messengers alone or with a small entourage to other groups even if they weren't neighboring each other. If you look at it in that light it works with how messages are dealt with now as the turn it takes for the message to reach the recipient acts as that month of travel time for the messenger.

On second thought, I think I will adopt this kind of messaging system:
On first contact, I will use in-game message to greet the foreign nation;
For all the neighboring nations, I will use forum PM because they are neighbors and messengers won't take month to reach them.
For all distant nations, I will still use in-game message to reflect the actual distance issue.

I will probably honor all public treaties (who will not?)
Covert treaties? who knows:smirk:

[Klepto]

Just to clarify my position, I'll use whatever communication medium people prefer, but I will default to in-game messaging. Even if another channel of communication is open I will probably still use in-game for role play.

As for covert treaties, I read some of the discussions on NAPs and came to the conclusion that they seem inflexible. I hope my diplomacy amounts to more than "20 turn NAP, 3 turn warning please", role play aside a treaty can contain much more detail than that. In the real world it's often the case that the agreements between nations are so complex that the conflict occurs when the parties interpret it in different ways, rather than a unilateral breaking of the agreement. I hope to be an honourable player, I certainly see the value in being worthy of trust, but in the end there can only be on True God and I will always want that to be me.

I'm new here, I know I have a lot to learn. I don't want to drag our game thread off-topic. Perhaps I should go post in a NAP discussion thread :)

Oh and Klepto, out of curiosity, did you happen to have a character by that same name in a WoW server a few years ago?

Nope, never played WoW. I get my name and avatar from a character in this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valhalla_(video_game)) very old CRPG.

[Tifone]

GrudgeBringer,

public lists of "honourable" and "dishonourable" players have been explicitly forbidden. One is not a "dishonourable player", also, if he breaks an agreement in a roleplaying environment. Of course you can keep your private one ^^ but turning the thread into a trial of "arguments" about pacts breaking seems wrong to me.

-

I agree that if you want a treaty to be respected, you should post it (with your counterpart's agreement) on the forum. Otherwise it's a "private matter" you can use for nasty surprises on enemies ;) but not so binding of course, so don't come crying :D
For me, I'll almost surely keep all my agreements, but just because it's in the character of my nation. :) Not of course if I perceive serious threats from one's excessive gaining of power.

[Boronx]

I second what Tifone said about roleplaying and trustworthiness. There's no reason why I can't play a scrupulously honorable person this game and a scoundrel the next.

I've decided early on how to roleplay this game, and it's not much like me in real life.

The pace of the game is a lot faster than I expected. I'm a little bit tempted to turn off quickhost so that nobody feels obliged to play a turn a day, maybe when turns become more time consuming.

[Tifone]

I second what Tifone said about roleplaying and trustworthiness. There's no reason why I can't play a scrupulously honorable person this game and a scoundrel the next.

It's exactly as I see it ;) Let's keep the game universe separate from the forum, we're all kind ppl here :happy:

I've decided early on how to roleplay this game, and it's not much like me in real life.

Yeah, I really hope you don't arbitrarily threaten people of death on the second turn in real life too :D

The pace of the game is a lot faster than I expected. I'm a little bit tempted to turn off quickhost so that nobody feels obliged to play a turn a day, maybe when turns become more time consuming.

If I can give my opinion, I think it's ok as it is. Turns are going greatly but nobody should feel obliged to play once a day, as everybody know it's perfectly in their right play when he wants/can in the 72 hours, freely. Anyway, do as you wish of course :up:

[Klepto]

The pace of the game is a lot faster than I expected. I'm a little bit tempted to turn off quickhost so that nobody feels obliged to play a turn a day, maybe when turns become more time consuming.

I'm OK with how it is right now, I'm also OK with people taking the full 3 days to get their turns in. When I see a new turn I play it, no need for people to feel rushed.

[Psycho]

Don't turn the quickhost off. These initial turns don't really require any planning, you can do them in 5 minutes. Once wars between nations start and diplomacy comes into play, people will start using up more time.

I don't think anyone feels obliged to play their turns quickly (I know I don't). Still I'll probably do my turns daily anyway, but it's good to know that there is a safety net of 3 days if I can't find the time to do my turn.

[solmyr]

The pace is good. I don't mind play it daily or 3 days a turn.
Diplomacy is starting to take most of my time on this. I'm happy with so many decent role playing players on this server.

[Boronx]

Ok then, we shall stay with quickhost.

[Klepto]

** Messengers ride to the four corners of the world carrying a proclamation bearing the holy seal of Deikoon, God of Ermor **

Peoples of Greenrow, heed these the divine words of Deikoon the Magnificent, He Who Brings The Dawn, God of Ermor. From this day forth Ermor recognises the mighty Arcoscephale, and cedes control of all lands east of the mountains to them. Furthermore, Ermor lays claim to the central mountain pass that both great nations may know security and peace. All Ermorians rejoice in our newfound peace and the rewards it shall bring.

** The scroll is signed in an angular script: His Grace Lausus Prophet of Deikoon, Master of The Stars, Keeper of The Flame **

[Tifone]

Be careful, oh Deikoon, sending your messengers around that way. While they will be accepted with all honours among us, and bathed in perfumed waters after their tiring travel... the filthy winged people of Caelum, for example, may slay your messengers just for fun, without thinking twice. They're violent and war-mongering. :shock: May Wulkh, the Beginning and the End, The Unforgiving Prince, Patron of Languages, Sword of Balance, chew all their dirty feathers.

[Skirmisher]

The independents you can recruit on this map so far has been dissapointing. Usually when you see the indy's in a province that's the type you get to recruit there. But so far on this map that isnt the case.:(

[Skirmisher]

I'd just like to comfirm that Arcoscephale has an Alliance with Ermor. It is as Ermor has written it.

[Psycho]

I love the map. It's so thematic. The cauldron for sauromatia, or the great city for ermor, or Agartha's cave city, or Cealum on the roof of the world mountain, it's great. Only Ctis bothers me a little. Why aren't they in a swamp? The forest and the pyramids look a lot more like Mictlan.

And it would be great (thematic wise, not balance wise) if the provinces had recruitable units that corresponded to their names. I have jungle of the bandar and jungle of the atavi, but it's still regular militia, light infantry and archers that live there.

[solmyr]

Be careful, oh Deikoon, sending your messengers around that way. While they will be accepted with all honours among us, and bathed in perfumed waters after their tiring travel... the filthy winged people of Caelum, for example, may slay your messengers just for fun, without thinking twice. They're violent and war-mongering. :shock: May Wulkh, the Beginning and the End, The Unforgiving Prince, Patron of Languages, Sword of Balance, chew all their dirty feathers.

Oh is that? Honored guests from Ermor and other brother nations were well received months ago before your barbarians learn how to behave.
Should Wulkh seeks his destruction, so shall it be.;)

[Tifone]

You talk to our people about "behaving"? And I thought that word wasn't ever able even to make his way up to the high mountain :D The first contact we had with your people, was you claiming provinces extremely near to our capitol, which our forces conquered with hard battles against independent forces.

But we don't bear you a grudge. Roasted chicken and grilled mammoth have always been our favourite dishes.

[Tifone]

*lil' bump ;)*

[Skirmisher]

Well when they said Arco was a "Hard" nation on this map I guess they weren't kidding.

And Argatha stop splashing around in MY water. lol

[Skirmisher]

This will definetly be my last "slow pace" game. I never thought anybody would actualy take 3 days to make a turn.

[licker]

Well you can't say you weren't warned :)

[Skirmisher]

No I can't. Defenitly the last one though.

[Tifone]

I think you should take those games as a relaxing "filler", Skirmisher, and one or two 24h/48h games as your main ones ;)

[Fakeymcfake]

Yeah, I'm with Skirmisher on this one. I actually signed up for another game since this one was on the slow side and it looks as though I'm about to get trounced in my other current game. Anyhow, works for me as I spent the majority of the last few days away from the computer.

[Klepto]

While I too am anxious to play my next turn we all knew this was intended to be a slow game. Also bear in mind that we are still in the early game. Including diplomacy my turns are already taking 30 minutes or more, in late game I expect it to be at least a couple of hours (assuming I make it that far).

There's always blitz games. Pop onto IRC to find one, they seem a friendly bunch :)

[Skirmisher]

I forgot to make a couple mages construct some magic items, can I resend the turn before it hosts? Is that legal?

[Psycho]

Yes. Yes.

[Tifone]

Of course. It will automatically overwrite the previous one.

[Boronx]

I like to take my time, peruse the manual, contemplate different moves, enjoy myself. I'd rather miss a turn than rush through because a deadline looms.

Dominions is treat to be savored, not a chore.

[Skirmisher]

Yep everybodies different. I've just accepted the fact that this is a slow poke game. It takes me all of 5 minutes to do a turn. I haven't been able to expand very well on this map, nor gather the force needed to rock Argatha for thier transgressions in my area.

It's not a problem though. Domminions 3 is a great game, but it plays second or third fiddle to some other software. I've always prefered technology over magic anyways.
I would like to equip my troops with automatic M4 Carbines and Druganov sniper rifles for example.

[Fakeymcfake]

Eh, I guess I'm young and impatient then. I like to see my plans come to fruition or crashing down so that I can see what went wrong and make newer, grander plans to crush all that lie before me. Oh well, the other game I joined is moving along nicely and this one does provide a pleasant laid back feel to it.

Oh and I can understand where skirmisher is coming from tech-wise, though personally I would take it a step further and form battalions of Mechs to sweep across the fields covered by a variety of well planned areal assaults and judicious use of off planet artillery. Man, I'd kill for a decent Mech game, last good one in my eyes was Mercenaries though there were the Mechcommander games which weren't half bad.

[GrudgeBringer]

I must be the representative for the older heneration....I could use a LOT less magic and have a LOT more rock, paper, scissors type troop warfare.

Strategic warfare conclusions coupled with Tactical set up is just fine.

I just don't understand all the Ramifacations of Magic in battle.

I really like this game and MAYBE I will understand it some day.

[Skirmisher]

I just don't understand all the Ramifacations of Magic in battle.


This is a game with great depth and replayability. I don't understand all the ramifacations either, but I do understand you have to research to get there. That research is real important in the context of this game.

[solmyr]

Message travels fast down High Caelum Peak:

The fake God of Ulm, the foul beast of Wulkh is slain by our Goddess, Lady Aja. Not one single invader of Ulm barbarians escaped out of our holy mountain.

[Skirmisher]

Message travels fast down High Caelum Peak:

The fake God of Ulm, the foul beast of Wulkh is slain by our Goddess, Lady Aja. Not one single invader of Ulm barbarians escaped out of our holy mountain.

I would have liked to have seen that, is it availible on DVD?

[solmyr]

Message travels fast down High Caelum Peak:

The fake God of Ulm, the foul beast of Wulkh is slain by our Goddess, Lady Aja. Not one single invader of Ulm barbarians escaped out of our holy mountain.

I would have liked to have seen that, is it availible on DVD?

Well, just a one-sided slaughter. I guess Wulkh does not like the icy food on the mountain and gets diseased :)

[Tifone]

Ahah, the funny thing is that I get this from here before I even download the new turn ^^

Well, that was a pity. I have to congrats you so :D Your damn extremely early thunderstrikes put serious damage on me. You arrived very soon to evo-4, I'm still around evo1 conj1 :( And that fortress has been sieged for like, 7 months? without coming down :o Looks like I seriously underestimated your potential.

Good game. :)

[Tifone]

I'll probably gather gold and gems for another couple of turns, then send them with a last messenger to my allies and set myself AI.

[solmyr]

Well, you don't have to. I'm just about to offer you a peace treaty, after all I got what I want. You still got your capital, it's still good to play.

I have my misjudgment in this game, too. I wasn't realized that you have a awaken god until I saw it. Otherwise the war would not be that early. Nice struggling with you, tough barbarian:)

[Tifone]

Sorry, but while Ulm may have been worshiping a false God, you have slayed him, thus the war will continue until us or you have been destroyed. More probably us :o

You should better end this war before our kind resurrects from its ashes. Barbarians don't admit defeat, they rather die!!!

PS for truth's sake, the mighty Wulkh has not been slayed by your weak goddess, which Wulkh would have eaten alive if she would fight. He was overcome by your dozen of coward Eagle Kings, obliterating our troops from a distance with sniper-precision thunderstrikes :shocked:

[Psycho]

Hmmm, freezing mist most certainly doesn't inflict just 1 AN damage as the description says.

[solmyr]

Somehow I missed one round, strange. But anyway, I lost the critical battle. I should be turning AI next turn. Nice fight Tifone.

[Psycho]

I just noticed Ulm and Marverni are both AI. And without a word. Marverni still looks quite strong. What is going on in the west?

[Fakeymcfake]

Marverni has been AI for awhile, news to me about Ulm though. Slowly but surely taking over both of them as they both still have a healthy sum of troops.

[Tifone]

Hey, I said it, look better ;) post 89

[Psycho]

I figured Caelum lost that war, because he was the first to go AI and you wouldn't

[licker]

Could you please just kill me off already?

PRETTY PLEASE!!!!

;)

I'd go AI, but I know the AI would just wander out and try to break the siege thus rendering all advantage moot...

Certainly you must have enough in your 200+ hoard to whittle through my pathetic undead screen...

[Psycho]

Possibly, but I'd still lose quite a lot of quality troops to the freezing mists (which are not 1AN damage - the spell description and the manual lie).

I was actually waiting for you to get bored and try to break the siege or turn yourself AI.

[licker]

1AN open ended...

So yeah, it can be a kick in the nuts ;)

[Skirmisher]

OK looks like I'm pretty much history.

Just to let you all know whats up,it seems that Oceania has driven Argatha from thier cave system. So Argatha takes over my Capitol province ,much like Oceania has taken thiers.

Argatha has an army of about 180 in my ,err ,thier fortress.

Good game for awhile, now it's just waiting to be over.

[Psycho]

Did anyone else see the storming of Ulmish capitol? The wyrm conveniently took a position at the gate and could have defeated the entire attacking army by himself if he hadn't run away.

It seems that the map's description of which nations have it harder is accurate - all of the hard and very hard nations are practically defeated.

[Tifone]

That's why I tried to make some alliance among the hard/very hard nations to beat the ones having easy time. Ermor and Marverni agreed and we had some peaceful expansion. But Caelum went crazy about a province and everything was messed up for me :D Still a gg it was

[Psycho]

That's certainly the way hard nations should have played this game.

[Tifone]

I think so. Even because they happen not to be compensated by the superior early game strenght of the nation itself - except maybe for Caelum...

[solmyr]

It's been a while.... Good to see the game is still going pretty decently. It was my first MP game, so... I made some awful decision. See you in the chronicle game, Tifone.

[Tifone]

My first one too :) Maybe you were a little too aggressive politically :fire:, but I recognize your battlefield tactics were very good ;)

See you in chronicles too... if it starts :D

[Skirmisher]

Just a quick observation. This map is to tight for the amount of players on it. There's really no breathing room to speak of.

[licker]

Not that my position is that interesting, but I will be gone from Dec18th through Jan 5th and was wondering if there is going to be a pause for xmas.

Me staling isn't the worst thing in the world, but I'm not giving up to Kalissa just yet, I'm going to extract every last bit of effort I can from him :)

[Psycho]

But, I'm nearly ready to storm your capital. You'll miss the best part.

[Skirmisher]

Argatha doesnt seem to have the stomach to finish what they started,so I may go AI soon. Theres nothing I can do,but wait.

[Klepto]

Good game GrudgeBringer, if you had deployed that SC God of yours earlier it may have gone very differently. Also thanks for being a trusted ally Skirmisher, sad to see you go.

[GrudgeBringer]

Actually, I did it to myself in the first few turns.

I made Naps (which I take very seriously) with folks on both sides and trapped myself.

I could have Broke one of them I guess, but this was one of the first MP games I had played and I had made up my mind to start with a reputation of keeping my word and not quitting a game.

So I sit there building in a little area waiting for Ermor to make his appearence.

I honestly had a GREAT time just jumping around and running Ermor here and there with my Pretender.....(LOL) AND THEN, I jumped into a Province I had no intel on, And promptly ran into his whole nation!!

Thanks for the game guys, I learned alot and enjoyed it. Good Luck to all!!!:up:

[Fakeymcfake]

Yeah, I made a similar mistake with NAPs when I first started playing, and I too take them very seriously. Anyhow, glad you were able to enjoy yourself and take away something from this game.

[Fakeymcfake]

I'm going to have to ask for a delay of game as my computer is currently out of action. 48 hours should be enough however if it isn't I'd recommend looking for a replacement for me. I'll let you guys know by the end of the weekend.

[Psycho]

My Stellar Focus global just disappeared this turn without any message that it has been dispelled. So, I am going to ask first whether anybody cast dispel, before starting to complain on the main forum about a bug.

Also, my AQ killed 156 Oceanian units in her first battle, but she is listed in the HoF with 246 kills. There is some weird stuff going on here.

[Psycho]

Our admin went AI. We should elect a new one. And also delay the game for Vanheim, since his computer broke down. Who wants to be the admin?

[llamabeast]

I just postponed the game by 24 hours just in case. Also, I've run roughshod over democracy and sent Psycho the admin password. If you'd rather not do it Psycho, feel free to pass it on. I'm sure we can trust Psycho not to go mad with the power.

[Fakeymcfake]

I personally welcome our new psychotic overlord. Oh and psycho, it's up to you if you want to delay the game for my sake or carry on without me. As it's going to be at least another week before I get my parts in you might just want to go on without me.

[Psycho]

I don't mind waiting a week. I've postponed the game for 48 hours for start. If anybody objects raise your voice.

Also, if anyone else wants to take over as admin, let me know. I don't really want to be the admin.

[Psycho]

Fakey's computer won't be repaired soon, so he asked me to put him to AI.

[Psycho]

How do you feel about calling this game? I think I am pretty much unstoppable at this point. Or do you think you still have some chances?

Ossa, this is directed mostly at you, since Ermor staled last turn. I think he got discouraged after my AQ singlehandedly defeated his entire army. I have a feeling he won't be coming back.

[Ossa]

Ahem... i just gave Ermor my money and some items as he has a better chance of stalling your advance - I'm surely not in the position to stop you.

I'm ok with ending this game.

[Psycho]

Then lets wait a little more to see if Ermor shows up or writes something here. If he continues to stale, then we can end it.

Also, if you think that together with Ermor you still have a chance, feel free to call anyone you know to sub.

[Klepto]

Sorry for missing last turn, I thought I had sent it and missed the 6 hour warning. I'm happy to concede, this was my 1st ever game and while I did well early on my overall strategy was deeply flawed and even now I'm struggling to enter mid-game. I may have some land but Ermor is a bit of a paper tiger really. If you would rather fight on then I won't deprive you of the chance to demolish me, but I don't think I'll be able to put up much of a fight (lots of chaff, some mages, not much else).

I'd like to thank everyone for a great fun game with some interesting twists and turns. Usually I'm quick at picking up games like this, it's a testament to Dom3's depth and complexity that I got my strategy so badly wrong :)

[Psycho]

Sorry about thinking you disappeared Klepto. I am glad you both concede and we can all turn to more indecisive games. I'll go ahead and declare this game finished. Good game everyone.

I was about to finish all research and my gem income is bigger than yours combined. That's without clams, which I have over 50. And if that weren't enough, I have an alteration 20 bonus site and my pretender and a seraph wishing for gems there every turn, which gives me another 80 free gems every turn. Getting an alteration bonus site with Kailasa is just too much. I also have two sites with sages and a huge death income (skull mentors) which allowed for the explosion of my research.