BonsaiKitten - Game for people who feel constricted - rockin out

[Omnirizon]

Please sign up and pick a kitten.

Game: BonsaiKitten
Map: World of Symmetry (pun not originally intended)
Era: Middle Age
Players: 12 (2 Water required)
Indies: 5
Special Sites: 40
Money/Resource/Supply: Standard
Score Graphs: On
Research: Difficult
Victory: Standard
Mods: CBM + Worthy Heroes

Hosting: Llamaserver. 24 hours for first 20; 48 hours until people want 72. All delay requests will be honored, but you must PM or post the admin. Two stales in a row and AI.

no Ashdod please

I'll be Shinuyama


Omni........Dai Kittens..........(Shinuyama)
Janlm.......Illithid Kittens.....(R'hley)
sum1lost....Pan Kittens..........(Pangaea)
vfb.........Bonsai Jaguars.......(Mictlan)
Hadrian II..Undead Kittens.......(Ermor)
Ossa........Oceanic Kittens......(Oceania)
Ylvali......Monkey Kittens.......(Bandar Log)
Nikelaos....Swamp Kittens........(C'tis)
Juffos......Norse Kittens........(Vanheim)
Quitti......Giant Kittens........(Jotunheim)
ddavidd.....Black Cats...........(Machaka)
Revolution..Legionnaire Kittens..(Pythium)


Hurray!!! at last we are ready.

Map and mod is linked below for those in need. Please make sure you have active when you send in pretenders. I will have game up and ready for pretenders very soon.

World of Symmetry (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=37163&highlight=symmetry|world of symmetry)

CBM (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=39679&highlight=conceptual+balance)

[Janlm]

heh weird, anyway i'd like to sign up as rlyeh :)

[JimMorrison]

If you hadn't explained that it was a hoax, I might have vomited before I realized how outlandish it was.

[Dragar]

I love the background on your games :)

Sadly I must restrain myself, I go on holidays in 7 weeks and am already feeling guilty at the number of subs I'll need to ask for

[archaeolept]

do you have a link to the map? or Twan's MoD mod - I can't find either of these in a cursory examination of the maps list or the mods list?

[sum1lost]

I'd like MA Pangaea, please.

[konming]

Twan's MoD mod is no longer needed since developers fixed the BF+retreat exploit in 3.20. Now when caster leaves the battle (for whatever reason), BF ends. Also CBM 1.3 includes WH 1.8 (most of it anyway, the only thing I see missing are the two weapons used by gladiator hero).

[archaeolept]

here's the map - a version of world of geometry

linky (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=37163&highlight=World+Symmetry)

[vfb]

Bonsai Jaguars please. (Mictlan)

[Hadrian_II]

i take undead kittens (ermor)

[Ossa]

I'd like to take Oceanic Kittens.

[Ylvali]

I´m in with Atlantic kittens

[Ylvali]

I couldn´t find Twans MOD mod, can you link to it?

[lch]

You guys stoeled my game icon. I'll set it to something different now... :nana:

[Nikelaos]

swamp kitten (C'tis)

[Ylvali]

oops, I missed the fact that two water nations were already signed up. I´ll go for the monkey kittens instead (Bandar log)

[Juffos]

I would like to play with Norse kittens (Vanheim).

[Quitti]

Giant kittens (Jotunheim) for me.

[archaeolept]

2 kitties left in the litter

[vfb]

archaeolept, don't you want to reserve a kitten before they are all adopted?

[Omnirizon]

we need two more players.

[ddavidd]

Hi, I'd like to join you with Machaka

[Revolution]

Legionnaire Kittens please (Pythium)

[Omnirizon]

we're full. see OP for links to mods/map if you need them. I'll have the game ready on lamaserver soon.

[vfb]

Thanks for setting this game up, Omni.

Have fun everyone!

[Janlm]

I don't know if something is wrong with llamaserver, but i have send in my pretender without getting any confirmation. But it appears rlyeh has been uploaded on the game list, so i am assuming everything is alright..

[Hadrian_II]

i did not get confirmation either, seems a problem with llamaserver.

[Omnirizon]

yeah. i've noticed the same thing.

it's comforting to get that confirmation notice, but it seems to be working all the same

[Ylvali]

As long as we receive the turn files it´s all good. Make a post here when you start it up and then we can confirm if we got the mails or not.

[Omnirizon]

All we're waiting on is the Legionnair Kittens, commanded by Revolution...

Revo!... Revo!!!
Where are you Revolution!?!?!

[Revolution]

Just got back from work, making now.

[vfb]

Uh oh ... Bandar's god is invalid. Do you think he made it without CBM on? Or maybe some other mod was enabled?

I think we need a reset, and Bandar needs to build a CBM-only god.

[Omnirizon]

probably had CBM turned off.

make sure you turn on CBM and send in your pretenders...
don't have any other mods on. I don't think any other mods should actually affect making the pretender though, so it shouldn't matter, but just to be safe.

[Omnirizon]

the game has been reset. everyone resend in pretenders.

BL be sure to remake your pretender with CBM turned on.

Edit: actually, it looks like only BL needs to resubmit, all pretenders are still there. I've simply deleted BL's. The game will start as soon as we have everyone then.

[Janlm]

eh the game has started, and i'm sure you all got the message that Bandar log has cheated and pretender has been reduced in power. What the hell is that about?

[Janlm]

eh, I should try and remember reading posts above me :)

[Omnirizon]

it's a common problem that occurs with CBM. if a pretender is made with CBM off and the game is using CBM, it will raise a cheat flag.

it simply means bandar log must resubmit a pretender. I've deleted their pretender and reset the game.

nobody will need to do anything else. when BL has sent their new pretender, the game should start automatically

[archaeolept]

basically, this means that the vanilla pretender submitted would have cost more than the allowed point total if designed under CBM; hence, the cheat message. This also means that BL was using one of the rare pretenders that have been made more expensive in CB :)

[Omnirizon]

ohhh. hint to what they're using!

[archaeolept]

well, it could be as simple as a dual path cyclops, as CB increases the cost for secondary paths for them.

[Omnirizon]

that's probably a good guess...

[Ylvali]

My mistake was that I had an older version of CBM installed. Really sorry guys, installing the new one and resending pretender right now.

[Ylvali]

And so we´re off the ground finally! Sorry for delaying ye all. I can only blame the fact that I have just finished a six day fast and my brain is still a bit trippy. Seems a good and thematic way to start off my first MP game as Bandar log though.:D

I will play as Vandana Shiva (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandana_Shiva), inspired by the indian human rights activist of the same name and one of my greatest role models. I had the honour to meet her last month at the European social forum in Malmö, and thus I know from personal experience that she posess the charisma and spiritual power to make a worthy Dom3 pretender:p

Whether I can translate her non-violent, ecofeminist, global rights perspective into a working strategy is yet to be seen. :smirk:

And so it began...

It started in the villages, forests and hidden caves of the sacred land. Rumors began to spread. Furry little paws pounding ancestral drums. "...rise,rise...to freedom...the age of slavery will end...white ones have come down from the mountains...follow the enlightened one, the black woman...bananas for everyone..."
It is clouded by myth where she came from, but all followed her: markatas, atavi, vanara, bandar. Even the white ones. And the human oppressors were thrown out of the sacred land.
exerpt of IPC(international primates committee)
official log.

[Nikelaos]

nice background, all i can think off for mine is "wade in the water", not because it has anything to do with slavery but just the idea of intelegent lizards adapting from a desert landscape to a swamp makes it sorta fit if you take it literally.

So hatchlings, wade in the water, wade in the water hatchlings.

[Omnirizon]

I just love the irony of the mention of Vandana Shiva on the same site that sells a game based on the glorified reliving of the Falklands War... hell, a site that glorifies war in general.

I believe that dom3 is an ironist game though, the way each nation is based on historical examples, and everything is sort of absurdly lewd.

we should all strive to be Ironists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironist)

[Revolution]

Pangea!!!!!!

why must you make me wait? My Theurgs tire easily

[sum1lost]

In the forest, the lumberjack chopped.
In the forest, the trees bled.
In the forest, the land cried out.

In the forest, the minotaurs stampede.
In the forest, the maenads danced.
In the forest, the Pans enchanted.

In the forest, the land shall cry in anger
In the forest, the trees shall march to war
In the forest, the lumberjack will chop no more.

[vfb]

Okay, very funny. To whoever invited all those barbarians to a bunch of parties in Mictlan's forests and plains we just say, "Ha ha, yes, very funny practical joke." Mictlan knows how to appreciate a good practical joke. So we're just gonna kill all your barbarians, and next time you want to have a party, well, maybe it'll just be missing a little bit of that barbarian element!

[sum1lost]

In the forest, the stupid awake pretender slips and breaks its stupid neck. (Actually happened several turns ago). Efforts are on their way to revive said stupid.

[Omnirizon]

well i don't think you're the only one this happened to, sum1lost.

Shinuyama mourns the loss of their faceless prophet, Yukitoso (or something like that). She enjoyed shopping for wedding gowns and burial shrouds (she was an odd lass), and scaring the children with her... faceless face.

We sent her in to a situation having forgotten to script her for it. She died a rather meaningless death. Omni now waits for her haunting spirit to leave this world, so that he may prophetize another lucky young faceless lass.

On another note, there are fairly clear cut bounds between each starting pocket, up to the mountain province endcap that lies between each pocket pair. For Shinuyama's part, whoever reaches those endcaps first get them, but if anyone steps over into "our side of the line" in those pockets, they will get an early war. The Dai Kittens don't play, and are no force to be trifled with. They wield big swords, wear heavy armor, and kill even the cute kids.

[Nikelaos]

grr giants, we shall not fall to you're rush attempt.

[K]

battlefield enchantments + retreat exploit is considered cheating.

Just to note, this can't happen since the last patch.

[Quitti]

grr giants, we shall not fall to you're rush attempt.

Oh, but I believe you will.

[Janlm]

It seems that quick hosting has been turned off for some reason. Everyone has send their turn.

[vfb]

It seems that quick hosting has been turned off for some reason. Everyone has send their turn.

Llamaserver has a bad case of temporary insanity, and llamabeast is away.

[Janlm]

we're up and running again, yay!

[vfb]

Looks good to me, woo hoo! :)

[Janlm]

NOW we're up and running, finally :)

It sounds like from llamabeast that we should be carefull not to use the turn we received earlier this week. To be sure everything goes alright, remember to have your turn resend and complete it again.

[vfb]

Oops, I used my turn from last week. But it's an exact copy ('sum' gives the same checksum) of the turn I got from a resend I just did. So, nothing to worry about for me at least.

[Janlm]

I would like to trade some water and/or nature gems. In return I can offer death and earth gems. and a few air and fire gems. Let me know if you are interested.

Rlyeh

[Revolution]

At war with 5 nations this early...I would have thought it was Bandar Log's behind the scenes diplomacy that has made me such a target but it seems that his lands are just as desirable as mine to the conquerors. I'm afraid there will not be room for all of you in the core of my empire, but I shall try to accommodate your armies as best I can.

[vfb]

"Commander Omacatl!"

He looks up wearily from the scrolls laid before him. "Yes, Sergeant?"

"It appears there has been somewhat of a deception, sir! Regarding the distress note attached to the arrow that impaled Private Concorde!"

Omacatl scowls. "The Princess?"

"Sir, it appears there is no Princess captive in that castle. That note was the handiwork of a million monkeys scrawling randomly. What shall we do, sir?"

"Well, damned if I'm going to march all the way back to Mictlan empty handed! A man's got his career to think of! Who holds the castle, then?"

"Sir, I'm telling you, it's monkeys, they are everywhere. There does not appear to be any sign of human inhabitants."

"Monkeys? Huh! Well, here's what we do. Send word to our capital that we have sighted the Princess, and are making preparations to storm the castle. I'll not have the Council of Couatls rob me of my chance at glory by canceling the operation!"

[Omnirizon]

Has Ossa dropped off the face of the planet?

Oceania is about to stale for the second time in a row, and rule is that twice in a row and it goes AI.... maybe we should start looking for replacement now?

[vfb]

Looks like he has not been on the boards at all for a week. Too bad, because Oceania looks like it's doing pretty well!

Maybe look for a sub for a couple days, and if that fails, AI?

[Janlm]

yeah lets look for a sub, or i'll just take the entire ocean for myself :)

[cleveland]

OCEANIA RECIEVES MASSIVE GOVERNMENT BAILOUT

The naton of Oceania, hit hard by the recent global credit meltdown and collapse of the subprime caviar derivatives market, has given itself a staggering 700 billion clam bailout.

Upper management has been sacked, and a new government regulator has been appointed to oversee the nation's rebuilding.

Of course rebuilding won't be easy, as the nation has been in turmoil for the last several months, and nobody seems to remember the combination to unlock the Ministry of Diplomacy. Further, 700 billion clams doesn't really help when they never really existed in the first place, and constitute a self-IOU.






Ahoy from Oceania! Hope everyone's glad the roster is refilled. Kindly PM any existing treaties Oceania is involved in, and I'll do my best to honor them.

I don't suppose anyone wants to give a quick overview of the game? Apart from this Works of Shakespeare business?

Cheers,
cleveland

[sum1lost]

It would be nice if I could actually beat any of vanheim's armies in combat, rather than just raiding the stuffing out of him.

[cleveland]

Right. So I've finally got a handle on what's going on here...

To get this economy back on track, Oceania proudly announces the opening of Water.Mart, your underwater superstore! Save big on this season's hottest trends, like a Robe of the Sea for just 25gems! Or our Frost Brands, which were recently used to slash their own price to an astonishingly low 8gems! All gem types excepted (2slaves=1gem)!

R'lyeh, are you still trading Earth gems? We'll give Nature 1:1. Unless we're supposed to be at war with you, in which case, prepare to die you alien scum. But otherwise, let's make a deal.

Speaking of which, am I supposed to be at war with anyone? Score graphs and troop distributions are a bit inconclusive. If so, you sworn enemy/enemies should also prepare to die.

As far as the disappearance of El Ex-Presidente, my best guess is that he had a Circle Master (event? merc?) but lost him to some heavy cav. Enraged & disgusted, he closed the door on the Underwater Kitties.

Cheers,
Under-Water Over-Lord

[Revolution]

You are at war with me, Pythium, just like the rest of my neighbors ^^

[cleveland]

Let it be known that, in spite of an uncomfortably thorough ravishing by Pythium's Lord of Fertility, Oceanians are in high spirits over the victory of their winged champion in the Death Match arena.

In what proved to be an unexpectedly short contest, Palasi's unrelenting dive bombing drove her only barbarian challenger from the field of battle.

Unable to hold the Champion's trident (sweet), Palasi returned home to a weeklong feast in her honor. Eating an unprescedented volume of deepfried crawfish, she left the feast in a state which admirers have described as, "morbidly obease."

Her now legendary gut is expected to open new octives in her fatal songs of suduction, though concerns about her mountainous rolls of volumptous flesh have prompted Oceania's greatest tailors to begin work on a custom mumu for their biggest hero. :)

[Janlm]

Rlyeh is happy to see competent leadership return to oceania, welcome to the contest of world domination. And congratulations with the victory in the incredible dull tournament.

[Revolution]

The nation of Pythium is looking for gold...if someone out there has an excess of gold and is looking for some astral pearls we should talk.

[cleveland]

The nation of Oceania selling pearls cheaper than the nation of Pythium. ;)

Sorry for the slow turn all. I've been wrestling with llamaserver to setup a new MP game all day, with no success. Will be submitting BK shortly.

Cheers,
cleveland

[Janlm]

no turn comming :(

[Hadrian_II]

The Great Nation of Ermor is looking to buy a thistle mace.

payment is possible in death, fire or earth gems. We pay up to 12 gems.

[cleveland]

Hello Kitties,

What's the holiday policy with this game?

I'm open to whatever the players of this game like. But I'd advocate the postponements I'm implementing in the ComfortZone game (I'm the moderator): EDIT: Nov 26th-Dec 1st & Dec 23rd-Jan 2nd, with quickhost off.

Cheers,
cleveland

Oh, and Omni - did you get a PM (possibly several times) from me regarding ComfortZone? It kept giving me errors....

[Janlm]

the problem with turning quick host off is that we might suddently get someone who's loosing starting to stall... is there a reason to start already? if anyone is going on vecation anytime soon speak up, if not i don't see any reason to going into vecation mode sometimes closer christmas.

btw, whats so special about Nov 26th - Dec 1st?

[Omnirizon]

cleveland,

I got your messages.
...
"you dastardly scoundrel"

*shakes fist at cleveland*

[cleveland]

@Janlm: The hosting scheme for ComfortZone (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=652405&postcount=25). Basically, I'll be turning quickhost off in that game during holidays because there's always a few players that don't want to play Dominions while visiting family (weird, I know).

Without quickhost, there's no resentment toward that 1 guy who can't/won't play his turns, while everyone else is incessently refreshing thier inbox for 6 straight days. And frankly, the rest of us should occasionally spend time with loved ones (not that I don't love you guys).

Nov 27th is Thanksgiving, a major "traveling" holiday in the US. People generally leave on Wed (Nov 26th) and return home on Sun (Nov 30th), hence the postponement. In ComfortZone, we'll be extending equal accommodations to any holidays the players celebrate.

But I'm not actually going anywhere for Thanksgiving, so I'm cool with anything the BonsaiKitty fraternity wants (except Pythium :) ).

@Omni: HA! Who'd have thought Man would be rushing an elephant nation? I certainly earn novelty points for that one, no? :p

[Janlm]

ah thanksgiving ofcourse, i forgot about that weird holiday you guys got :)

[sum1lost]

I kind of got in a car accident- I'm okay, but Itll be a while before I can put my turn in- would it be possible to ask for an extension?

[cleveland]

Glad you're alright. I personally have no objection to an extension.

[Omnirizon]

OK. Is one day enough, or do you need more?

[cleveland]

The only thing Sea Naiads hate more than a Peeping-Tom is a Peeping-Alien. Oceania formally terminates its NAP3 with R'lyeh.

Our elite Jellyfish Assault Squadron has vowed to prosecute an aggressive submarine campaign against the technologically advanced Illithid scum (in 3 months, of course). Which nations will show similar backbone against his dry provinces? :)

Cheers,
Oceania

[Janlm]

you're just angry we caught your sneaking armies in our territory. Anyone considdering friendship with oceania should really check your own provinces for oceania armies waiting for the oportunity to surprise attack you.

[cleveland]

Sneaking armies? Those were field trips of eager young ichtysatyrs hoping to see the famed Void Gate they've been reading about in history class. :)

And besides, the wise nations of Bonsai rest easy at night knowing ichtysatyrs are only stealthy underwater...like the thousands that still infest your waters! Muahahahahaha! On field trips. ;)

[cleveland]

Friends! Romans! Countrymen! Lend me your non-alien ears!

R'lyeh is about to gate in a large army into my rear waters. That's right, he's already gating armies.

If you ever hope to stop him, you'd better act now, because he ain't gettin' any weaker. And if Oceania falls...well, good luck dislodging him from the water.

If you need water breathing items, contact me immediately and we can begin production. Time is most certainly not on our side...

Cheers,
Oceania

[cleveland]

PS - Oh yeah, and we need death gems. 9 death gems, to be exact. We'll trade 1:1 for anything except Astral (which we desperately need vs. Rlyeh), and Air, which we don't have. Please PM me ASAP, as your own survival depends upon it.

[Janlm]

Oceania

Noone shall say that the great Rlyeh is entirely without a sense of mercy...If you surrender right now, and denounce your false god, we promise that we will make sure to be carefull and only slaugher as small a possible percentage of your population while we enslave it.


Rlyeh

[cleveland]

R'lyeh is also not entirely without a sense of humor, apparently. :)

OOC: Sorry for the delay, I'm waiting diplomatic communiques.

[Omnirizon]

would people mind if i delayed the game about 12 hours. monday is the day a paper is due and i've been working on it all weekend rather than looking at my turn. I'll do the turn tommorow evening...

[Janlm]

its cool

[cleveland]

Yes, please. I'm slammed until Friday as it is.

Your turn should be easy though. Just send all those samurai toward R'lyeh. ;)

[cleveland]

Mictlanians! Ermorians! Pangaeans! Lend me your ears!

Last month, mid-Fall, Year 4 of the Ascension Wars, a date which will live in infamy, the United States of Oceania was suddenly and deliberately attacked by ground forces of the Empire of Shinuyama.

Shin has allied with R'lyeh. Without assistance, Oceania will fall in 6 months. Then you'll be next. Think it through.

-3rd Assistant to the Axillary Undersecretary of the Emergency Reserve Communications Department

[Omnirizon]

the Shinuyama-R'lyeh coalition is a very deliberate decision on Shinuyama's part. We know Mictlan had allied with Oceania, the only hope of preventing an alliance which would cement Mictlan's victory is to take the side of Oceania's foe and start a coalition in hopes of preventing Mictlan from turning into an overwhelming force. Mictlan seeing that their assured victory is threatened in this coalition, immediately cancelled their NAP with Shinuyama unless we cease our war on Oceania.

BTW, don't bother getting Const 8, Mictlan already has and has already forged EVERY artifact.

Also, did I mention Mictlan has found an Enchantress recruit site and has recruited their way into every single path combination?

So in case you havn't noticed, since Mictlan has EVERY path, they've searched their massive empire for EVERY site and have a massive gem income, twice that of any other empire.

R'lyeh's supposed "great threat to humanity" pales in comparison to what Mictlan poses to the world right now.


Everyone should seriously consider joining Shin-R'lyeh in the International Coalition Against Mictlan's Empire (ICAME).

Your future depends on it, all our future's depend on it.

[cleveland]

Think it through.

- Information Services, dept. of Aforementioned Works (ISAW)

[vfb]

Mictlan thanks Shinuyama for their blatant falsehoods. What a coincidence that they would seek to spread this disinformation on the very turn that we cancel our NAP with them! If you look into the store of treasures of your ally R'lyeh, I think you will find that since his research is much greater than Mictlan's, he has forged many artifacts. Perhaps he will share them with you?

Some of what you say is ture, but do you really begrudge Mictlan its Enchantresses? They are expensive, and a great drain on our treasury. Mictlan believes in self-sufficiency, that is all. And they do not give you every path combination.

As for gem income, Mictlan did not call for Shinuyama to be ganked on for the first half of the game, when your gem income was highest. We have a lead now, but our friends have about the same number of provinces. In time, they will discover the treasures of the lands and their gem income will be equal to ours.

It's not like we've built a massive clam farm, like the terrifying Starspawn may have done. Shudder.

Mictlan's so-called alliance with Oceania is strictly to assist them in repelling the attacks of R'lyeh. We fear the creatures of the void gate, their astral might, and their watery domain. All reasonable nations of world would seek to prevent their complete control of all of the seas.

[cleveland]

All,

The nation of Oceania formally requests a postponement until Friday. Our leader is criss-crossing the US until then, and won't be able to give BonsaiKitten the attention it deserves given recent, ahem, developments.

Do you guys mind?

-cleveland

[Janlm]

bwahahaha, this is our chance! we vote to deny oceania their request! :)

[Omnirizon]

bwahahaha, this is our chance! we vote to deny oceania their request! :)

unfortunately, that's slightly outside the lines.

cleveland's silvertongue forum tactics :martini:, no matter how despicable, are at least within acceptable meta.

still, it's funny that over half the world is willing to gang up on R'lyeh, a mediocre power at best who has a smallish army and insignificant gem income, making their research lead largely irrelevant; but not team up to stop Mictlan who has a MASSIVE gem income to power their close to second research (and soon to overtake R'lyeh, if you notice the exponentially increasing curve) and lots of gold too. go figure.

In most games, everyone teams up on the strongest power, not the weakest one.

[vfb]

Smallish army! Sure, R'lyeh has just got a few Vastnesses and Greater Othernesses, but just a few of those can decimate any normal army. It's that combined with the inability to be counter-attacked in the water that makes R'lyeh a force to be reckoned with now, and a great threat in the future if he succeeds in ruling all provinces beneath the waves.

As I said before, the gem income from R'lyehs clams does not enter into the equation. Before R'lyeh aggressively attacked Oceania, Mictlan foolishly traded many water gems to the starspawn, all of which has been converted into clams by now. I'm sure. So the graphs present a false picture of the situation.

Mictlan's land holdings are just barely larger than those of Ermor or Pan. And both of those nations have armies which dwarf Mictlan's. Pan's is nearly double our size, and Ermor's legions are three times the size of Mictlan.

The game the Bakemono play is obvious. You seek to cause Mictlan to be destroyed in war, that your nation may survive the upcoming conflict, and profit by taking Mictlan's lands, which we have searched so diligently.

With all this said, Mictlan prefers peace. If R'lyeh and Shinuyama put an end to their invasion of Oceania, then Mictlan will not declare war on either of your nations.

[Janlm]

erhemm, I would like to add that it was actually oceania that declared war against rlyeh.. and mictlan followed up. The Ilithids are quite innocent in all this, we swear.

[vfb]

Mictlan never declared war on R'lyeh. We have not declared war on Shinuyama either.

We notified R'lyeh that Mictlan was regretfully canceling our NAP with them, because we did not want to see R'lyeh have exclusive ownership of the seas. If R'lyeh and Oceania fought to a stalemate, with no net loss of territory for either nation, that would be completely acceptable to Mictlan. And in that case I would not deign to become involved. Here is the complete text of my message to R'lyeh:


Greetings R'lyeh,

While there is balance on land between Mictlan and Ermor at least, I fear that the waters will soon be ruled by one -- and that one is not Oceania.

In anticipation of your victory in the seas, I regret to inform you that I am giving the nation of R'lyeh notice that our NAP is being cancelled.

We have received turn 42, and you have yet to move. Were it to become necessary, according to our agreement, either party could initiate unfriendly action by giving orders upon receipt of turn 45.

Mictlan hopes you have a long and enjoyable battle with Oceania, because we'd prefer not to become involved at all actually.

-- Mictlan

Then Shinuyama launched a surprise attack on Oceania on land. Mictlan then cancelled our NAP with Shinuyama, to free us from our contractual obligations should Shinuyama decline our request to cease their invasion of Oceania.

If Oceania had been left on its own to battle the combined might of R'lyeh and Shinuyama, then it surely would have fallen.

And that is all that Mictlan seeks to preserve, is balance in the oceans, where no nation has exclusive rule beneath the waves. Just as there is balance now above the waves, with Shinuyama just slightly less balanced than the rest of the surviving land nations. Apologies to those three nations who aren't quite dead yet, but you'll be getting on the cart sooner or later.

If R'lyeh, Shinuyama, and Oceania can all agree to peace, then Mictlan will not declare war on either R'lyeh or Shinuyama, and of course we will be willing to negotiate new pacts with those nations if they desire.

[cleveland]

Right, Oceania is back online.

Oceania did indeed initiate war with R'lyeh. About 40 turns too late.

We shall continue to fight the good fight against the Juggernaut from the Stars. But be advised that once the 3rd Mind Hunt Artillery Battery finishes off all of our commanders, those guns will need to be trained elsewhere.

Be advised that our only remaining account estimates that the enemy has expended approximately 500 (!) pearls against us in this war. Quite an expense against a helpless enemy. What do you think will happen when Arcane Nexus is opened?

Choose your side wisely. Or don't choose at all, and wait patiently for your turn to die.

If anyone's interested, a 20HP SC is currently located in Province #100. Perhaps a barrage of Seeking Arrows is in order? Use your imagination. ;)

Sincerely,
Oceania
The great undersea hope.

[Janlm]

reading all this, I wonder why i haven't won the game allready..

[Omnirizon]

it's now my turn to be criss-crossing the nation. i'd like to postpone game a couple of days if no one minds.

-OMni

[vfb]

Sure, no problem!

[vfb]

My turn now :)

Can we please delay the game a couple days so my wife does not kill me at Xmas?

[cleveland]

My turn now :)

Can we please delay the game a couple days so my wife does not kill me at Xmas?


Agreed! Perhaps till Jan 2nd so my wife does not kill me on New Year's? :)

[Omnirizon]

delays done. i can delay it longer still if needed.

[cleveland]

A glorious day in Oceanian history!

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In the most pivotal battle of the Alien Wars, Oceania's ragtag band of waterbreating misfits delivered a crushing upset to the mind-bending juggernaut known as R'lyeh.

Having suffered defeat after defeat, and losing most of their heroes to mind-hunting sniper fire, Oceania's generals decided to make a possibly final stand in the Pharaexian Sea.

With a force that consisted mainly of knife-wielding tritons, the Oceanians poured fourth from the gates of the mighty Pharaexian Citadel to meet the approaching tenticled horde.

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But this was not to be a usual engagement. To the surprise of the Starspawn, our ichtysatyrs would not be paralyzed; our triton knights would not be enslaved. No, this time Lugal - a Lizard Shaman with a hatred of aliens and a snorkel - was present on the field. Gripping the latest edition of "The Oceanian Journal of Enchantment," Lugal took advantage of the Banner of the Northern Star waived by R'lyeh's rear guard and fortified the minds of the Oceanian column with a thick layer of Antimagic.

With the mind-altering powers of the R'lyean artillery now neutered, the Oceanians charged headlong into the bristling tridents of the Meteroite Guard formations. Casualties were heavy, as expected, but the troops knew they need only hold out for 5 minutes of combat. Inspired by the words of a cadre of high-ranking religious officials, the line held.

It was at this moment that the Oceanians played their offensive trump card, and huge sharks suddenly began appearing all over the battlefield with a thirst for alien blood. The Starspawn, exhausted from their futile attempts to enslave the determined Triton Knights, had little left to throw against the ever increasing feeding frenzy.

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The Meteorite Guards were quickly surrounded: tritons to the front, sharks to the rear. When their line broke, chaos ensued, and the resulting bloodbath brought only more of the undersea predators. In desperation, the Illithids were ordered into the fray, but were torn to pieces by the hungry beasts.

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In the end, the real victory was not on the field, but in the minds of the BonsaiKittens. For Oceania has proven she yet has some fight left in her, and that the R'lyeh-Shinuyama alliance can be defeated. World leaders, whose wisdom forbade them from entering a fight on the losing side, now see that passivity is no longer necessary, and prepare their troops for battle against the samurai.

:D

[Omnirizon]

There's at least a defacto Mictlan-Oceania alliance. This current defeat only reinforces my assertions of early: R'yleh is not the threat that Oceania and Mictlan want the world to believe it is. R'yleh is a paper tiger at best, and a complete Oceania-fabrication at worst. I'd vouch for the latter.

Mictlan is the real threat here and Shinuyama and R'yleh will be fighting a losing war if the rest of the world doesn't join in against them. Don't let their "we only want balance" pandering fool you. Mictlan has been maneuvering to maintain their power while creating distractions from it for a year now. They were very eager to demonize R'yleh and had been planning to invade for a long time. The only reason they've pulled that punch is because they realized Shinuyama was aiming for a chink in their armor by not playing along. Had Shinuyama chosen go with the group and invade R'yleh instead then we'd be hearing a very different story from Mictlan.

[vfb]

What a pack of lies the Bakemono tell. How exactly had Mictlan been planning on invading R'lyeh? With my 5 Jade Serpents? I'm sure that invasion would have gone swimmingly.

Mictlan had threatened R'lyeh to stop their attack on Oceania, in the hope that the oceans would not be united under the Starspawn's rule, because hey, scary void monsters. No need to rehash all that. We could only threaten R'lyeh on land. When that threat failed, Mictlan tried to bribe R'lyeh into a peace deal. That failed too.

The Bakemono sorcerers are weaving a twisted tale to make excuses for their acquisition of the former lands of Oceania, that's all. And they would like Mictlan's lands next, and what better way to do that then to promote a gankfest on Mictlan?

Mictlan only has a few more provinces than Shinuyama now. There is no need for the petty jealousy of the Bakemono. The Bakemono have their own Enchanters, and combined with the extensive paths of their Sorcerers, they could do their own site-searching, and improve their gem income.

Mictlan has tried all diplomatic options to dissuade R'lyeh from the Oceanic war, and failed miserably.

But valiant Oceania fights two enemies: R'lyeh in the water, and Shinuyama on land. Mictlan is impressed with the valiant efforts Oceania is making, and on turn 49 Mictlan will have the opportunity to assist Oceania, by distracting Shinuyama from their aggressive takeover of the Oceanic lands.

[cleveland]

Bah. My brother just asked to borrow my laptop. I'll definitely get it back & my turn in tonight, but could the timer be bumped back a small bit?

Sorry,
cleveland

[vfb]

Mictlan would like to discuss NAP timing with Shinuyama. We have heard tales of far-off lands wracked by dispute over when attacks are allowed at the end of a NAP. It's our opinion that this month is only turn 48, which means that it is not yet okay for either army to give orders to invade, should either Mictlan or Shin desire to do so.

Does Shinuyama agree that's correct?

-- Mictlan

[Omnirizon]

that's what i was expecting too. shinuyama agrees.

[Hadrian_II]

Now that the details are cleared, ermor whishes Mictlan and Shinuyama a nice and long and very bloody war.

[vfb]

Mictlan thanks the Bakemono for being such an honorable nation and not engaging in any nefariousness or sneakiness during the NAP expiry period. We do believe your stories about Mictlan's power are exaggerated. We formally retract any accusations of Sinuyama telling lies. Rather, we believe they are overly pessimistic, and they underestimate their own might.

We also thank Ermor for injecting a little dark humour into the discussion.

[Omnirizon]

when you say stories of Mictlan's power are exaggerated, you must mean that you've only got about 100 vine ogres, eagle warriors, and jag warriors in each and every one of our border provinces, and only about 600 in each province bordering to the two or three where I've actually got a few troops on the ready.

[vfb]

It is not your fault. Your scouts are probably paid on commission, so they are inflating the numbers. Unless you mean that combined I've got a total of 100 units, mostly Eagles, a few Jags thrown in, and a very small sprinkling of Vine Ogres.

In order that you may see exactly how pathetic my armies are, Mictlan will perform some parades and maneuvers on or near or in your border territories. Since we are performing these display maneuvers uninvited, you should probably consider this a declaration of war.

It looks to us like you're planning on executing similar parades and maneuvers too.

We are selling cheap popcorn to all spectators, so Ermor and you other guys who like to watch a little bloodshed, don't forget to send some scouts to watch the festivities!

[vfb]

The war between Mictlan and Shinuyama has begun.

Mictlan lost a few engagements in the south, but the fight in the north went to our advantage this month. Who knows what next month will hold.

Pan has cancelled their NAP with Mictlan, as is their right. Mictlan encourages other nations of the land to make plans to invade Pan, for when their troops are busy fighting in our jungles, the forests of Pan will be easy pickings.

-- Mictlan

[cleveland]

Holy crap, I was not expecting the turn to be due so soon. My own stupid fault.

Sorry about staling everyone. Now to see what horrible results await me... :(

[Omnirizon]

Shinuyama's main armies are gone...

got it pretty bad in the north. Mictlan has _so_ many eagle warriors that there is basically no where to put our one and only advantage, our Sorcerors. placed in the very back and surrounded by troops as best as possible had no effect (or maybe even counter productive, due to some quirk of how the game decided to arrange my commanders/troops in the very rear, where it basically put the commanders as the final back row).

have fun with the fog warriored/mass lucked/double blessed/SC and thug supported armies of 500+ eagle/jag warriors backed by masses of communioned mages unleashing armageddon. we tried to warn the world and we are just now getting messages from people that they were wrong and had indeed underestimated just how powerful Mictlan was.

[vfb]

Mictlan admits that the battles went well for me this month, except for one extremely bad idea that didn't pan out.

But if you think I've got a big army, you should get a load of what Pan is stacking up on my border!

[Omnirizon]

if anyone needs a staff of storms, send a message and shinuyama will make you one. if you could send the gems to make it with too that would be appreciated, since I don't have the air income to be making a bunch on my own. I don't think we can recover after our loss, but we learned the value of having one of those.

unfortunately the lesson was learned in the loss, but it isn't one I will ever forget.

and trust me people. a staff of storms is bare necessity in fighting against the powerhouse of mictlan. those eagle warriors combined with the long range mass communion backed battlemagic will neutralize any mages you might have.

[cleveland]

Oceania would like a Staff of Storms. :)

Phew. OK, I'm finally back home after a crazy holiday/job interview extravaganza (anyone here from Minneapolis? Jesus that place is cold!), so I should finally be able to submit my turns in a reasonable timeframe from now on. Sorry for all the delays and thanks for your patience.

And if I can just say, I LOVE the Lure command! :D

[Janlm]

We do, ofcourse. What is the problem?

[vfb]

Doh! I was going to move this to a PM, but you have already replied in the thread.

As I said, I thought we had a NAP.

Casting "Burden of Time" has immediate damaging effects on the nation of Mictlan. We consider it a gross violation of our agreement. We have heard tales of the void gate driving its users insane. Perhaps in their madness it was cast by mistake?

-- Mictlan

[Janlm]

Ah, well, that is part of the explanation at least. The great Yikilth, the grey one, the god of rivers and king of untimely deaths has stirred in his slumber and in his dreams he told us to go through the void gate and bring back a certain artefact. We send our strongest astral mage, he came back mad ofcourse, but also brought with him the artefact which we placed in the great Yikilth's chambers. We fear that the old age that plague your people is but a minor side effect of this. An accident of sorts, and something we certainly do not considder a breach of any sort of pact we have agreed upon with anyone.

[vfb]

Oh no, it's a breach! A big gross nasty breach, one hundred feet wide.

But don't worry, Mictlan is going to take care of the problem immediately. We will have a few words with your strongest astral mage, rough him up a bit, shake him down, all that fun kind of stuff.

And our jungle lawyers have even advised us that we are not responsible for any collateral damage to your infrastructure that may result from our actions, since it is all R'lyeh's fault for messing around with the Burden of Time.

-- Mictlan

[vfb]

Apologies to Ermor and anyone else concerned, but I did not have enough Pearls to attempt to dispel the Burden of Time this month, so I took a chance and tried to blow it out with my own massive global. The global succeeded, but unfortunately it just replaced Pan's Mother Oak, not the Burden of Time as I had hoped.

Please do not be concerned, your undead will suffer no ill effects from the Purgatory, because my dominion does not extend past my own borders.

-- Mictlan

[Janlm]

now YOU have certainly broken the nap, let the world know how honourless the nation of mictlan truly is!

[Omnirizon]

a crap. sorry guys. i thought i had sent my turn in :(

[Hadrian_II]

now YOU have certainly broken the nap, let the world know how honourless the nation of mictlan truly is!

casting BoT is considered an act of war by most players...

@vfb could you please remove purgatory from your lands, the nation of ermor would like to invade you. Now we are having the distinct feeling that we waited to long, and that mictlan will win the game:doh:

[vfb]

now YOU have certainly broken the nap, let the world know how honourless the nation of mictlan truly is!

casting BoT is considered an act of war by most players...

@vfb could you please remove purgatory from your lands, the nation of ermor would like to invade you. Now we are having the distinct feeling that we waited to long, and that mictlan will win the game:doh:

Ermor is exactly correct. And Mictlan even told R'lyeh that we considered the act a gross breach, and that we were taking action immediately. The honor of Mictlan is unimpinged. Crazy Starspawn!

@Ermor: Unfortunately I couldn't dispel the Purgatory even if I wanted to. Unless you'd like to send me some pearls? I'd have to admit that I have other priorities for Dispel at this time though. And are you just expressing general hopes and wishes and desires, or are you providing notification of cancellation of our NAP?

One other piece of news: Sadly, this month the illustrious Oskatu became Lost in Time and Space. We offer our apologies in advance to the nations of Bonsai Kitten, should he happen to drop in on your lands uninvited.

-- Mictlan

[Hadrian_II]

And are you just expressing general hopes and wishes and desires, or are you providing notification of cancellation of our NAP?

Actually we were just expressing wishes and desires, but we have now decided, that war might be as good as any solution. So this would make battle start on turn 58?

[Janlm]

well the global spell would mean they breached their nap, so i guess you can do exactly as they do and attack right away, according to mictlan's belief's anyway.

[Janlm]

on another note, can i have a half a day's delay for the turn tomorrow?

[vfb]

well the global spell would mean they breached their nap, so i guess you can do exactly as they do and attack right away, according to mictlan's belief's anyway.

R'lyeh, you are just going completely insane. Stop playing with that Void Gate, it's bad for your brain!

Purgatory has absolutely no effect outside my dominion, and my dominion does not encroach into Ermor's lands.

It's not at all like Burden of Time, which immediately cripples all my best mages every month, fairly quickly turns all my troops into a bunch of old geezers who won't do anything except sit around talking about their lost youth, damages my gold income by causing unrest, and kills my people including my valuable virgins of which we don't have very many because, when you've only got a couple of months to live, how many virgins do you think are gonna be left!?

This is why I was trying to warn everyone about R'lyeh all this time. Some people don't like to say this, but: I told you so!

-- Mictlan

[vfb]

on another note, can i have a half a day's delay for the turn tomorrow?

OOC:

I'd really like to move to a 3-day turn please (72 hours).

I have to prepare for a war against four nations. Each of Pan and Ermor has absolutely massive armies way bigger than my forces. R'lyeh is a b*tch to attack in the water. Shinuyama still has four forts and 19 provinces, and an army as big as R'lyehs. And it's not like I'm in a corner, I'm spread out all across the map.

So ... pretty please?

[vfb]

And are you just expressing general hopes and wishes and desires, or are you providing notification of cancellation of our NAP?

Actually we were just expressing wishes and desires, but we have now decided, that war might be as good as any solution. So this would make battle start on turn 58?

Agreed. So this means when we receive turn 57, you can give orders to invade? Or when we receive turn 58? Unless you change your mind of course. :) You never know, R'lyeh might cast Arcane Nexus next!

-- Mictlan

[Hadrian_II]

Orders on turn 57 so that the battles happen on turn 58.

btw. how ugly is the damage of purgatory against undead?

[vfb]

Mictlan thanks Ermor for the clarification.

I think Purgatory is quite nasty for chaffish hordes, but mostly ignorable for thugs and SCs. It would have been much smarter to cast it after I had already been invaded, as a surprise. But the whole point wasn't really the Purgatory, it was replacing the Burden of Time, which didn't work in any case.

[Hadrian_II]

I think Purgatory is quite nasty for chaffish hordes,

quite nasty... my tests have shown, that purgatory kills candles x 10% of the undead troops.:mad:

btw. maybe pan might win, as he is almost immune to bot

[cleveland]

Oceania is proud to announce that time is no longer a burden.

:D

[Janlm]

I didn't get the delay it seems, and now i staled at a very crucial time... :( i'm almost afraid to check the turn now, oh well..

[Omnirizon]

i'm sorry janlm. i didn't see your post at all. i completely missed it. you should've sent a PM, those are sure to catch my attention :/

[vfb]

Upon reviewing communications with Pan, I discovered that Mictlan received their notice of NAP-6 cancellation at the beginning of turn 50. :shock:

So, orders for war begin this month with Pan, one month earlier than war with Ermor. How distressing, I thought I had more time!

-- Mictlan

[vfb]

The forces of Pan in the north are in disarray as their armies make little headway into the jungles of Mictlan.

And now a new war begins in the south. Our people's belief in the one true god is strong, and their faith will not be shaken by a few flimsy temples of Ermor on our borders!

-- Mictlan

[vfb]

Oh, when will these nightmares end? Several turkeys have been discovered in their turkey beds, having died in their sleep. Rumors spread through the jungle that evil dreams spread from the lands of Ermor, and the unfortunate warrior who succumbs to these terrible fantasies will never wake up. No-one is sleeping well in the lands of Mictlan these days.

But on the plus side, we now have a robust economy based entirely on dream-catcher sales and service!

-- Mictlan

[Omnirizon]

hows this Armageddon of a war going?

[vfb]

Well, there's three wars now. Oceania and R'lyeh will have to fill you in on the details of the war in the ocean.

In the north, Pan has lost a few provinces, and about 1/4 of his maenad horde. No forts have fallen yet, but two are under siege. A few Pan temples have been razed. Mictlan lost an Enchantress a couple months ago.

In the south, Ermor and Mictlan have traded a few provinces through raids. A couple of Ermorian temples have been razed. One fort of Ermor is under siege. About 1/5 of Ermor's undead horde has been killed. Mictlan lost a High Priest, a couple of turkeys, and a Werewolf. My Djinn has more than 2000 kills now so he'll probably die in a bad dream pretty soon. :)

[Hadrian_II]

Mictlan has more research, more SCs and soon more troops.

He just killed 1350 units with two castings of rain of stones...

Mictlan has won, and there is not much i (or anyone else) can do about it.

[cleveland]

Damnit!

I'm a day behind the timer...thought it was hosting today...sorry for the stale everyone, won't happen again.

-cleveland

[vfb]

Mictlan has more research, more SCs and soon more troops.

He just killed 1350 units with two castings of rain of stones...

Mictlan has won, and there is not much i (or anyone else) can do about it.

Mictlan does not want to count any eggs before they have hatched into Turkeys, but we have to agree that the most recent results do not bode well for either Pan or Ermor.

Though, the Looming Hell is an interesting twist. But it doesn't do much to stop my solo commanders from rampaging through Pan's lands.

[Omnirizon]

I told ya so!!!!
I told ya so!!!!
I told ya so!!!!

but no, everyone was too busy, and R'yleh was the big baddie anyway.

[Hadrian_II]

I told ya so!!!!
but no, everyone was too busy, and R'yleh was the big baddie anyway.

No one thought R'lyeh to be the big baddie, but oceania in the water would be much better for ermor, as we would have been able to sweep the water without much resistance.

I made 2 errors in judgement:

First i would have been able to take jotunheim alone, so mictlan would have had less provinces to begin with.

Second i tought Shin stronger, and Mictlan weaker, so i hoped that their fight would weaken both. (But as everyone knew, Mictlan crushed shin in 3 turns without much losses)

btw. i am willing to surrender, as Mictlan will win for sure.

[Omnirizon]

I think around turn 30 (it was before Pan even got their sub) I messaged everybody about needing to stop Mictlan immediately; that they were already getting too powerful and if the world didn't act then it would be too late. but most others thought there was no real threat or were too busy in some other minor war to act. (except for Pan, but then that player left).

Mictlan vulched provinces off of Pyth, Bandar Log, and Ctis, but never faced a real threat from any of them. They were able to pick up lots of land without facing a real war. Myself (Shinuyama) actually lost my entire main army _after_ pythium went AI. The AI sent about 10 A1 mages and 20 troops (all they had left) to face my army of 400+ Dai Bakemono. They killed every one of them! How? Spamming confusion. That event is actually why Confusion got nerfed in the most recent CBM.

Regardless of that event, I couldn't have faced down Mictlan alone. He had a huge research lead and huge gem lead. Huge armies of _quality_ units. All the artifacts. I pm'd everyone again warning of the dire situation. Not enough people were willing to act :(

[cleveland]

Oceania requests some slack, as we weren't around to get the memo. :D

[vfb]

Well, Mictlan had a few battles with a couple Pythium armies that were in Bandar's lands, I seem to remember a few Hydras, and also a largish infantry army. But since I was attacking their expansion (Bandar) I didn't have to face their capitol mages or thugged-out god. I think my flying Eagles of Doom (TM) would have been useful though. And I was even considering an assassination lightning strike on Pyth's god, until I realized that he was doing me a favor by punishing you so much. :D

I didn't fight C'tis either, just a Jotun army, and Jaguars of Doom (TM) are giant killers. And since I was attacking Jotun's expansion too, I didn't need to face their home guard of mages either. It's good timing to attack a nation's expansion when they have just finished (or almost just finished) polishing off the previous inhabitants.

But I think in both cases I would have been able to handle a "real war" quite easily. I never lost a group of warriors since turn 1, and put up my third fort at the end of year 1, and never took a break from recruiting sacreds. Dom10 to start equals lots of warriors. Mictlan does not need battle magic early on, so I rushed const-6 and built a ton of lanterns. I was lucky to find a couple Enchantress sites (though C'tis and Shin could have had them too), which helped me do artifact forging. And I also managed to pump out quite a few clams early on too.

By the time I got in a war with Shin, I had Fog Warriors, and Fog Warriors plus S9F9 blessed warriors is nasty. Plus I have Rain of Stones to eliminate pesky mages.

The biggest threat to me all game was R'lyeh, with their Burden of Time. But since I had the Chalice, and my High Priests can trapeze, I didn't even lose any of them either.

Ermor was a big threat too, but I'd been saving fire gems for Purgatory, and it's still up, and now I've got even more fire gems saved up to recast if it comes down.

We can continue if Pan has some nefarious scheme for victory and would like to keep playing, but my tartarian factory is opening very soon, so the future does not bode well for the halfmen. I've also got more Golem SCs in the pipe to handle Pan's large manikin forces.

R'lyeh is always a pain to invade, but Oceania is doing quite nicely against them. And I think they only have 10 candles left, and once I've filled Shin's empty provinces with my dominion, I'm quite certain they will be dom killed before Oceania reaches their capitol.

Oceania was a huge help, with their ability to take on R'lyeh. And also for getting me into this whole big war in the first place ... if Oceania hadn't asked for help against R'lyeh, Shin would never have feared the "Oceania-Mictlan alliance", so he would not have attacked Oceania. There was no "Oceania-Mictlan alliance" to speak of until Shin attacked Oceania, and I think Oceania and Mictlan may have never even agreed on a NAP.

So, if anyone wants to continue, I'm game, but I'm also willing to call it a victory for Mictlan here.

[Omnirizon]

the mictlan-oceania alliance was artifice, a last desperate attempt to get the world involved in a war against mictlan. some people didn't want to fight you because they were more worried about r'yleh. I thought if r'yleh's enemy was mictlan's friend, it would make r'yleh look a lot less threatening. also, it would help get r'yleh involved in that war.

[vfb]

Well, it was a pretty good attempt then! I thought you actually believed there was an alliance. You had me fooled at least. :)

[Janlm]

well its been a good game, the best i've ever done so far I think. It would be a shame for me to stop before i get to try out some new spells I got, but I agree that its highly unlikely for us to defeat Mictlan. And yeah I knew that the burden of time would affect mictlan the worst, too bad oceania was in such a hurry to dispell it :) (and that my second casting failed)

[vfb]

I don't mind if you want to continue, and try out some of your ideas. I've already submitted this turn. And we haven't heard from Pan yet, he might want to keep going too.

[cleveland]

I'm just glad I was able to pull Oceania back from the brink, and keep from being killed by R'lyeh. :)

Baalz was right, I just don't see how Oceania can be competitive, especially vs. R'lyeh after turn ~25. Thank god I was able to hold on to an indy Lizard Shaman province, which at least kept the Mind Hunts to a minimum. But having 75% of your commanders microwaved before a battle, then having 1/2 your troops enslaved & the other 1/2 paralyzed before the end of combat turn 2 makes for some rather uncomfortable confrontations. Plus Oceania has no ability to counter raiding, and I was saddled with a truely awful pretender design (who doesn't take Cold-3 as an UW nation!?!) And Janlm's very clever & unpredictable play didn't help my cause one bit! :D

[cleveland]

I'll second the motion to call the game a Mictlan victory.

Any objections?

[Janlm]

No I don't object, i'm all for calling Mictlan the winner. Thanks for a good game everyone.

[vfb]

Very nicely played this month, R'lyeh! :D That was a big surprise with the Master Enslave trap.

I'm at least relieved that I won the other battle. Yay, go go go paralyzed Wraith Lord! :)

-- Mictlan

[Janlm]

oh very nice, regular casaulties -176 units :)

I was trying something similar last turn, master enslave and then teleport the army out. It didn't work though, since my mage got slaughtered before he had his first turn..

I hadn't actually looked at the turn yet, god damn wraith lord... he was routed..

[vfb]

Immortals in positive dominion don't care about the 75%-casualty forced routing. They'll stand around forever happily ... uh... standing around? At least that's what he was doing for the majority of the battle. Go soul vortex! :)

[slayers_ai]

Yup, i have no problem to call Mictlan as the winner.
Good game guys.

cheers

[vfb]

Well, it was a fun game!

Thanks to everyone who played, and especially to Omnirizon for organizing the game, to Twan for a really great map, and also thanks to slayers_ai and Cleveland for stepping in as subs.

[Omnirizon]

thanks all. as always, i learned a ton.

great game, see you gentlemen on other battlefields at other times :D

[cleveland]

Congratulations on a precipitous victory vfb! Now let's see how you like it on the other side of a full-court press...:D

Cool game Omni, thanks for putting it together. Glad I could be a part of it.

[Hadrian_II]

Congratulations vfb