Discharge - LA game - Finished

[Quitti]

Good evening ladies and gentlemen. And squids. And whatnot. A new game, what do you say?

Basic info:
Late Age, no Ermor or R'lyeh, please, and thanks for the fish.
Around 15 players, planning on a long-ish game with quite a bit of action. If we get
I'd like to have people with some experience in mp games, though won't say no to a total starter either. You only learn by playing.
Mod(s): CBM 1.3 (includes worthy heroes iirc)
Map: Glory of the Gods (MP) - startpositions modded - See post #36 for the map file, or just click the link on llamaserver.
Last man (or dragon or lich or whatever you choose your god to be) standing wins.
24h per turn until people want more time to think up their stratagems.
Hosting will be done on llamaserver (Praised be thee, four legged shaggy animal with great coding skills)
Other options:
Hall of Fame entries 15
Renaming allowed (of course)
Normal research
NO score graphs, may paranoia rule the land.
And I'm not forcing you to stand by your pacts (NAPs, Alliances, trades). If you think you can get away with your scam, go ahead. It's a perilous world out there, but if you break your treaties easily, don't think other people will stand up to their words to you either. Every action has an equal reaction. (Meaning basically that this game will have a machiavellian politics.)

Roleplaying your nation/pretender/prophet/neuroptera on this forum (and in politics) is suggested and looked kindly upon but not enforced. Imagination is your limit. Basically. Provided that you can conjure your imagination into words.

Players:

C'tis, Desert Tombs - Quitti (Lizards shall arise again, if not voluntarily, then by dark magic.)
Agartha, Ktonian Dead - Juffos (Hu-Nam corpse glorifiers)
Man, Towers of Chelms - Caerun (Jealous tower guardians)
Marignon, Conquerors of the Sea - Ossa (BLOOD! FIRE!)
Patala, Reign of the Nagas - Revolution (Painful water)
Abysia, Blood of Humans - Kortek (MORE FIRE, LESS BLOOD!)
Pangaea, New Era - Nimnio (Natures revenge)
Ulm, Black Forest - Illuminated one (Vampires, ghouls, whatnot)
T'ien Ch'i, Barbarian Kings - Rabelais (Mongolian hordespam!)
Arcoscephale, Sibylline Guidance - Purgatorio (Phalangites, Phalangites. I like this word. Phalangites.)
Pythium, Serpent Cult - hunt11 (Heretical Swampageddon)
Jomon, Human Daimyos - Dark Kitty (Shall spam samurai archers)
Bogarus, Age of Heroes - Zapmeister (Go go gadget mages)
Mictlan, Blood and Rain - LoloMo (Rawr, obsidian clubs for everyone)
Atlantis, Frozen sea - Agema (Deep frozen bones)

And the game is running. Everyone have fun :)

(Information subject to change. I do not take any responsibility on your cats or avocados, whichever might be reading this. And all the usual stuff. You know, what you get when you press "I accept" when installing stuff. Agreeing on not using this game as a nuclear weapon and such.)

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Game is now finished, congratulations to Revolution playing Patala for the win :)

[Juffos]

The nation of Agartha was waning. All the great Pale One Oracles were already dead, and a new people, the Hu-Nams, had replaced the native Agarthans. Many bodies were embalmed to preserve the Agarthan legacy through these times of toil and hardship, and a new god has arisen, one who has claimed giving these corpses unnatural life will bring the nation of Agartha back its lost glory.

That is, I will be playing as Agartha, Ktonian Dead.

[Caerun]

I'll take Man, if that's ok, though I'm by no means a veteran.

However, I do hereby promise to kick the hindquarters/rear appendages/tentacles of anything that comes around to the Towers looking for easy prey.

[Ossa]

(I'll put the RP elements in later, but for now I'd just like to take Marignon)

[Revolution]

Patala - From the forest comes amphibious pain

[Kortek]

Abysia - Fire will cleanse the blood.

[Nimnio]

Nimnio for Pangea.

[Revolution]

I vote normal research

[Quitti]

Oi, more players needed. I hope llamaserver is fixed quick...

[Illuminated One]

Ulm please.

[Revolution]

Bump for more players (when llamaserver gets back up)

[rabelais]

TC please... mongol hordes... ATTACK! :)

[Quitti]

Ah, a shame what's been happening with llamaserver, but lets hope it'll be fixed sooner than later.

[Purgatorio]

I would like to join as Arcoscephale.

(caveat: I have played a bit of SP but no MP to date; hopefully this won't be a problem?)

[Quitti]

No problem Purgatorio, as I said, I won't turn anyone down :)

[hunt11]

I'll take Pythium if possible

[Dark Kitty]

I am in the same situation as Purgatorio, it would be my first MP game (if one more newbie is ok, of course). I would like to take Jomon if possible :)

[Purgatorio]

I for one think another MP rookie wouldn't be a problem. I look forward to playing against both experienced players (a chance to learn something) and newer players alike.

You shall all fall beneath the might of my elephants anyways ;)

[Revolution]

Moar!

[DonCorazon]

I'd join if its not difficult research. I like the rpg element but not a fan of taking forever to research spells while hydras and giants are swarming my lands. :)

[Zapmeister]

Well, if there's still time to find out who the heck they are, I'd like to try Bogarus.

[Quitti]

Regarding the difficulty of magic research:

This mainly boosts the abilities of non-magical nations, and the more magic-affiliated races take a while to get to the point where they start being quite real threat to others, like Bogarus. It takes time to get evocation to 8-9, where their mages start to own ;)... Not that they'd be useless anyway. But it is a boost to some of the blessrush-nations such as Mictlan (And I think Pythium had some nasty sacreds too?). Oh and T'ien Ch'i had these fun cavalry too.

I'd like a vote on if research should be normal/difficult. If you do not voice your opinion I'll count you as indifferent. Mainly what I've heard from you so far, most would want it at normal - PREFERABLY PM ME, so we won't clutter up this thread with those posts.

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Edit: Seems like we have mictlan, pythium and t'ien ch'i in, Meaning that I'm preferring normal research more and more. Bogarus is going to have a fun time :D

[LoloMo]

Hi, I would like to try out Mictlan. No preferences on the research difficulty.

[Agema]

Hi, I've got time for a new game.

I've got about half a dozen MP games under my belt but none have been Late Era, so if you can give me a day or two to check out the nations before I pick I'd be grateful.

I've no preferences on magic research, I'll abstain there.

[Quitti]

Alright, we're full. Agema, you're in, but don't take too long picking a nation, preferably do it before sunday so we can get this game started.

[Agema]

Thanks.

I'll let you know my nation tomorrow.

[Purgatorio]

I vote for difficult research. (probably in the minority, but thought i'd toss that out there).

[Illuminated One]

I'm for normal research.

[Agema]

I'll take the Atlantis. May my fishy ones successfully reverse their eviction from the sea!

[Quitti]

Okay, by overwhelming votes, Normal research wins the day. I'll be hosting the game next week, probably monday. If I don't get any good suggestions for a map, it'll be Glory of Gods (Multiplayer).

[Revolution]

Alexander is also a nice similar sized map. With either of those or if you choose a random map I suggest going into the map editor and making provinces with less than 3 neighbors or those that are surrounded by marsh/wasteland no starts and then giving us the edited map file. Glory of the gods defiantly has some spots you would not want to start in.

[Purgatorio]

Mod(s): CBM 1.3 (includes worthy heroes iirc)

Dumb question (which is probably answered elsewhere on this forum): how do I find the CBM 1.3 mod? Hopefully I can handle installing the mod once I find it :o

[Revolution]

CBM 1.3 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=39679

I also suggest anyone inexperienced with dom 3 multiplayer should hop by the strategy index and read up on their nation if it's in there. The advice in those guides are exceptionally useful.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=38122

[Purgatorio]

Thanks. There was no LA Arcoscephale guide, but there was an excellent MA Arcoscephale guide, most of which is applicable to LA as well.

[Quitti]

Allright, I ran the map file through with this script and it should be good now, minimum neighbor provinces 3 for everyone, doesn't quarantee that the start would be good still, but let's hope it works for everyone... Map file is attached to next post. Save it into your dominions3/maps folder. It's creatively called "Glory of the Gods (MP) - Startpositions modded" in-game.

[Quitti]

Here it is. Couldn't attach it to the main post for some reason.

[Purgatorio]

I notice on llamaserver that someone uploaded a pretender for "Chelms" nation. I am not familiar with that LA nation ... how do I prepare to fight against this unknown nation?

[Juffos]

Late Age: Man - Towers of Chelms

[Revolution]

Bump

Just waiting on a couple more pretenders.

[Revolution]

Ossa (Marignon) Is the only one left who has not yet sent in a pretender...but there is a problem. He has not posted on the forums in almost 2 weeks and he just staled out of another game I'm in. I'm not sure if he has some RL issues going on or went on vacation or just stopped playing Dom. Regardless, I suggest we try to find a new player to fill in for Marignon or another unchosen nation of his choosing. Assuming of course that Ossa does not miraculously show up like right now.

[Ossa]

*miraculously pop up*

tara!
Sorry for the inconvenience - my ISP failed me for more than a week and I needed a lot of technicians here to fix it. I'll upload right now.

[rabelais]

I sent in a second pretender which was acknowledged by llamaserver, but it seems like the first one stuck... how does one replace one's pretender, and or check to make sure which one it *thinks* is current?

I don't mind playing this one, just made me realize I have no idea how to actually replace them, since I failed. Advice sought.


Rahrah Mongols,

Rabe

[Quitti]

I think the second one should automatically replace the first one. You ought to ask llamabeast to make sure.

[rabelais]

I did. he said he's not sure how it happened and I should ask for a restart, but that's just silly... its only a game.

[Juffos]

A restart would be fair, considering your situation. Even if it's just a game, still it should be fair towards everyone.

[Quitti]

If you wish for restart, please PM me, I'll arrange it before we go past turn 2-3.

[Revolution]

If we're gonna restart we should do it now, before turn 2. But if Rabelais is ok with his god then that's probably not necessary.

[Zapmeister]

No quickhost?

[rabelais]

If people don't mind I would like to restart, as I think my other setup is better, but I don't want to be a PITA.

Does anyone object? Would we just go back to pretender upload?



Rabe

If anyone hates the idea, send a PM to Quitti, and he'll let me down easy

That way I won't know who blackballed me. ;)

[Illuminated One]

Nothing has happened so far so I see no reason to be against a new start.

[LoloMo]

I'm fine with a restart

[Ossa]

I wouldnt object either.

[Agema]

I'm pretty happy with my start position, but I'm good to go with a restart if someone's had a Pretender problem.

[Quitti]

Allright, the game is restarted, or at least should be... Please re-submit your pretenders if needed. I'll be putting the game back up either tomorrow morning or today evening, depending a bit about rebelais.

[rabelais]

Mine is in. Don't know if anyone (else) is swapping.


Thanks all.

[Revolution]

Lets do it to it

[Quitti]

And it's a go. Let's hope it works out better this time...

[Purgatorio]

Do we need to re-send our pretenders?

[Revolution]

Do we need to re-send our pretenders?

No, they were saved from before. In fact, the game has already begun again.

[rabelais]

Thank god score graphs are off, otherwise I would be too embarrassed to continue. Horrible start position... Dead Prophet, annihilated starting force. My cav got away, but with no general...

Oh well, its very freeing to have such low expectations now... just to do one's best in a huge cluster****, and meanwhile hope no one finds you.

Xan

(who is SO going to bite off Socrates head when he gets home!!!)

[Quitti]

Heh, luck comes into play sometimes in dom3..

So, I was wondering if we have a people from US (or somewhere else :D) here who would like to have a thanksgiving-pause for this game? Pop me a PM please. You're free to post here too, it's just that I'll check my private messages more often than this thread.

[Quitti]

Allright, another monday, another week, and so on. We'll be continuing with the 24h schedule from now on again (Unless someone wants a day or so of extension?)

[Agema]

Rejoice!

Shad Foth, Mother Hydra, the last Basalt Queen, has awoken from her slumber of ages to lead Atlantis back to dominion of the seas, ending our exile in the cold, barren shores of the Coast of Ice and Bone.

[Quitti]

Well, at least you're not interested in my wastes... Hot dry wastes. Yes, please do keep away everyone.

[rabelais]

My lands are so poor not even abysia would want them... although now that I am out of expansion room, I will have to pick friends and foes.

I'm soliciting offers if anyone needs help battling another nation's "aggression". with graphs off it's hard to know who to root for, so I'm eager to be spun.

Xan the Shockingly Credulous

[Agema]

Atlantis will be overjoyed to turn any hot, barren wastes into pleasingly cold, barren wastes. Permafrost is the new desert. We understand entirely if you don't wish to invite us over to enact this spectacular act of landscaping, but bear in mind you're missing out on a thrilling new fashion. We'll throw in free lessons in meditative techniques to deal with lack of sleep, and all for the small price of every province you wish to be terraformed.

[Kortek]

Behold the messenger of Abysia, his eyes removed so no sight can dissuade his announcement of truth!

"Concerns have arisen over *heavy breath through teeth* meetings taking place without the Kings ears in form."

*The red hood of the messengers robe lifts showing a young man with red silk patches coving his eyes.*

"Should there arise a need to expand our nations borders think of it as a fire burning through an old growth forrest, allowing a new age to grow in its place."

*He smiles a toothy smile. It almost looks as though something is glowing in his mouth.*

"Be at peace Children of the Mother Hydra; we crave not the sea, cold and devoid of warmth. My Lord reminds any who touch the holy fires that the only choice he will be given, is to throw blasphemous lechers into the Smoldercone."

*Smoke billows from the mans mouth and face, envelopes him, and before you can look back, he is gone; only ash remains in his place.*

[rabelais]

Crap not a good turn to stale I bet. I vote we go to 36 or 48 hour hosting... of course after this stale I may not be a factor much longer anyway :hurt:


Rabe

[Revolution]

I would like to see 24hr hosting continue until turn 20 at least.

[Illuminated One]

*The Truth*
*The only newspaper that does not lie to you*

*edition of 12.2.1424*

The dark secrets of the Iron Order


Dear readers,


In my investigations into the Iron Order I came upon this letter that proves that the order is indeed plotting against the upright people of Ulm. But please, read yourself:

In response to the letter of 21.6.1407
As a first point I have to complain about condemning relationships before marriage as a sin.
The argument that the of the soul lead to the impurity of the ore is nonsensical. I have simpuritytudied the doctrine as well as you. You will find no reference to prove that sexual intercourse makes the soul impure. These concepts most likely stem from the doctrine of Marignon that has been declared heresy in 1401.
Also Black Steel is not made from pure iron. While it is unknown how it was made exactly evidence suggests that the iron was purposefully contaminated before being worked into Black Steel.
From a military perspective this is pure madness. A great part of the infantry consists of bastard children. By cutting down their numbers you will cut down the number of supporting troops the order can field. And as every general knows these are often critical in a campaign.

My second point is that the Hochmeister Theoderik will not be my successor. He is not intelligent enough and too easy to influence to lead the order. Instead I suggest Alfred. He has proven to be an upright man able to think for himself.


Childebert, Großmeister

As we all know both Hochmeister Alfred and Großmeister Childebert died under mysterious circumstances one year later and Theoderik became the new Großmeister. The ..........



Another sighting of Aliens

Interview with Lene Maier who has seen some of the foul creatures whose existence is denied by the government. She says the aliens look like walking squids with tentacles all over their body. Fortunately she had a pencil with her at the time of sighting and was able to make some pictures. ... [read more on page 3]

[Quitti]

24h until turn 20 at least, then we can vote if people want to.

[Agema]

Dear all,

There are reports of a disease in Atlantean territory. If this should prove to be the result of another nation seeding our territory with disease-bearing units, it will be considered an act of war, and treacherous breach of NAP if applicable.

Our border patrols have been heightened to a state of alert, and will expect to catch any potential offender soon.

[Quitti]

Well turn 25 is past, any need for 48h hosting from anyone? Also is anyone going to have a xmas without access to dom3/internet, so do we need to postpone the hosting until next year? I'm currently working nights so it's going to be tight squeezing some turns in for some games.

[Illuminated One]

I'm going to be away from the 25th to the 1st.

[Quitti]

Very well, we'll be going to xmas break on 23rd or so until 2nd of january

[Nimnio]

Can we start the break sooner, say, ASAP? I'm at my girlfriend's parents' for Christmas holiday, and it's pretty awkward.

[Revolution]

Can we start the break sooner, say, ASAP? I'm at my girlfriend's parents' for Christmas holiday, and it's pretty awkward.

I'm OK with an earlier than anticipated break, work has been picking up lately so some more free time would be nice...and I still haven't gotten around to doing my Christmas shopping.

[Illuminated One]

Hecata stared at the map. Blasted Atlantians. Killing her armies. Endangering her lands. Thwarting all her plans. She had to act now before they reached the western seas becoming untouchable. Still she could strike at them. The towers had been built. The pawns were in position, ready to lead the knights. The bishop was being moved. "Check" she muttered to herself ...

... This was madness. Marching all night through the thickest of woods. They said Atlantians could see at night. A bat was flying over him. Maybe it was just him but those damn buggers were becoming more and more.
When they reached the end of forest the moon was shining bright revealing the Atlantian militia. At least they wouldn't have to worry about the light. "Infantry form up! Rangers ready crossbows!" he yelled. After some seconds the sergeant replied "Crossbows ready!". He waited, letting the Atlantians come closer. "Volley!" ...

... After the prayer he looked at the men. The knights saluted, faces of stone. But the infantry ... too many fresh recruits, too many worried faces.
He sighed. "Boys just keep this in mind. We will not drown. Don't try to breathe. Keep the ranks and watch your neighbour. Reinforcements are on the way. Be steady and we shall see the sun again." Silently he added: "Some of us. ... Maybe.". "Let's go!" ...

... Knock. Knock ... Knock. ... Knock. Knock. He opened the door and urged the cloaked man to come in. Just as he shut the door again an Atlantian patrol turned around the corner. They waited in silence as they went away. He lit the candle. All were assembled now. "The order has arrived. It is time to reveal ourselves. Get the girls and the daggers ..."

... It was black magic. He knew. His fiancee was a with. His, the blessed one's. The items she gave to held power. Unholy ... but in a strange harmony with the power of the blessing. If the order ever found out ... there was no way back now.
She had led him below the waves and now they were standing before the Atlantian forces. He still loved her. They would not harm her. At this thought his heart started to pound like a hammer falling down on the anvil. She kissed him while he turned towards the advancing Atlantians. He felt untouchable. Never miss, never tire.
He charged impaling one on his lance. He gripped his sword ...

[Quitti]

Allright, I'll postpone the hosting until jan 3rd now. Happy holidays everyone, quickhosting is going to still be on, and i'll check this thread once per day or two.

[Agema]

Bah. The traitors of Ulm. They ask for a NAP, agree to it after negotiations, and then stab their fellow signatories in the back after less than 10 turns.

Still, there is at least one bight side. Apart from one loose province, Ulm shared no land border with Atlantis. Their brief advantage in numbers and surprise will rapidly turn into a wholesale slaughter. Their troops may be granted underwater breathing but still flounder like beached whales; their mermen are barely skilled and worse equipped; they cannot supply enough waterbreathing for adequate magical backup to their armies.

The war underwater will be short and - for Ulm - very painful. Then Atlantis can strike anywhere and everywhere along Ulm's coast...

[Nimnio]

Pangaea (me) is looking to trade for nature gems. I have no astral or water gems.

Happy New Year!

[Ossa]

Can I get a delay until 4th of Jan? I'm on vacation;)

[Quitti]

Hosting delayed to 5th of jan

[Quitti]

Hosting interval changed to 48 hours with 9 hour reminder email, I hope this helps some of us who have slightly... erratic sleeping rhythms :)

[Agema]

I'd like to give warning that I'm moving house in a week or so. I will almost certainly not have home internet access for a while, hopefully just a week or so, but if the telecoms company cocks up like last time it may be up to a month.

I'll have to get the turns at work, transfer them by flash drive, and transfer them back to work to email. It should be mostly okay on 48h turnaround, but I may need extensions, especially at weekends.

[Quitti]

Just give me ample warning (preferably by a PM) and it should be okay. Also on another note, Arco has staled twice in a row (third stale probably coming up now), anyone know what is their current position, should we postpone hosting until Purgatorio answers my PM or does setting him to AI mess things up too bad?

[Nimnio]

Maybe just wait to see if he stalls a third time? Three strikes, you're out?

[Agema]

Just a quick note to say after my move I have access problems (they set up the line but didn't apply broadband), and I've requested a one-off 48h delay to Friday morning GMT by PM to Quitti. Apologies for the inconvenience.

[Quitti]

Purgatorio has not responded to me, nor has anyone informed me of his condition in-game, so I will set Arco to AI. Enjoy your plunder.

Also, hosting delayed by 48 hours for Agema.

[Quitti]

Arco seems to have a password set to his pretender, so can't set him to AI. You're free to pillage his lands without even AI stepping up. Too bad I'm not his neighbor ;)

[Dark Kitty]

I am moving to another city on tuesday, so I might have to stall one or two turns. If I stall more that, maybe I have a problem getting an internet connection quickly and should be replaced (I hope it won't come to that though :))

[Revolution]

Why the pushback on this hosting? Everyone is in but Arco (or did we find a sub for Arco?)

[Quitti]

Someone hadn't submitted their turn when I checked at evening (hosting would've been in 4 hours or so I think), so postponed it. Should be hosting now.

[Agema]

That was probably me, I submitted with a only an hour or two to spare. I should have normal access back on Thursday.

[LoloMo]

I'm off to the mountains tonight, coming back on monday. Can I request a postponement of the hosting of this turn till Monday night? Thanks!

[Revolution]

I enjoyed the epic battle you had with Ctis this turn; enjoy your mountain vacationing!

[Quitti]

Lizardmen of C'tis hate when they can't see what's in the castle. Lacking proper intelligence, I guess.

[LoloMo]

I'm back! Thanks for holding up the game for me. I'll submit my turn in a few hours.

Winning that battle against C'tis was certainly welcome after numerous setbacks :p

[Revolution]

Looks like Ulm and maybe Pythium need to be set to AI

[Quitti]

Hmm, good point. Thanks for keeping track of it ;) Sent 'em both PM's, if nothing comes back in a few turns, they're going AI.

[Zapmeister]

And Arco too?

[Revolution]

Can't set arco to ai, they passworded their god.

[Quitti]

Yes. I don't know how common it is, but it's considered good manners to not password protect your pretender since there's no way to get a sub or AI the nation if the player goes missing...

Ulm should now be AI too. And the armies of C'tis have once again been decimated. Mictlan has a nasty bless (like usual).

[Redeyes]

Can't set arco to ai, they passworded their god.
If the pretender file still is on the llamaserver you could get it that way and extract the password using this (http://dom3.servegame.com/passrecover.php) tool, provided by Ich

[LoloMo]

Mictlan is of course amenable to peace with the lizards after suitable war reparations have been agreed upon. And we have only one third of the normal mictlan bless ;-)

[Dark Kitty]

Hello

I have to go back home and drop the games I'm in (I can't take my computer). I'm sorry to warn so late (and after having already stalled one or two turns) but something unexpected came up and I forgot a bit about the games I'm in.

There is no password on my pretender, do as you see fit :) (it is possible that I will be available again in a week or so if no sub has been found yet...)

Have fun,

[Quitti]

Hmm. Anyone know anyone who would like to join in instead of Dark Kitty? I'll be postponing hosting for 48 hours, if no one is found by then, Jomon will be going AI. I won't start spamming the forums for a sub - most likely it's pointless and waste of time and good letters ;)

[Quitti]

And we're at turn 50, anyone want to get a longer hosting time?

[Agema]

Things are about to get busy for me in-game so I might request longer if I'm struggling, but I'm okay at the moment.

[Revolution]

Hosting interval does not matter to me, I could go either way if there's someone who feels strongly about it.

[Agema]

Can I request a one-off 24h extention please?

[Quitti]

Hosting postponed for 24 hours.

[Nimnio]

My apologies for the upcoming stall. It was the case that I'd have time to get home from work before the turn was due, but something seems to have affected that delicate balance, and I didn't notice until it was too late (I'm still at work now). No complaints, no worries, and the next turn will be in on time. (I recommend everyone shore-up their defences, I'll be attacking you all simultaneously with the surplus resources.)

[Revolution]

My apologies for the upcoming stall. It was the case that I'd have time to get home from work before the turn was due, but something seems to have affected that delicate balance, and I didn't notice until it was too late (I'm still at work now). No complaints, no worries, and the next turn will be in on time. (I recommend everyone shore-up their defences, I'll be attacking you all simultaneously with the surplus resources.)

This had better not delay the shipment of carrion beasts I was promised...I REQUIRE MY SLEEP VINES



there will be grave consequences

[Kortek]

Don't make me send the AI Arco after you. You know what they are all about...

[rabelais]

who owns TC's capital these days? isn't it a FABULOUS starting spot? I wonder if I might have pulled something out of it with an awake SC... Probably not. I just won a gandalfserver MP game with the same setup, so it just goes to show, luck is important...

Rabe, who cant decide what to do in Doedicurus.

[Illuminated One]

I just wanted to say sorry for dropping out without going AI.

[Revolution]

who owns TC's capital these days? isn't it a FABULOUS starting spot? I wonder if I might have pulled something out of it with an awake SC... Probably not. I just won a gandalfserver MP game with the same setup, so it just goes to show, luck is important...

Rabe, who cant decide what to do in Doedicurus.

I control your cap now (patala) actually the ai lingered on for quite a while...Tien only died a few turns ago. After laying seige to your cap I sat there for quite a while hoping for a dom kill and attended to other matters...but you had some dominion in Abysia's land that just wouldn't quit. Taking a rainbow pretender in MP is always risky and it definitely was a tough starting spot.

[Kortek]

Oh ho ho. *evil laugh*. What splendid war!

[Agema]

Bad start positions are the bane of many of a nation: you can quite easily see your hopes of dominance die in the first year. People not on a map edge also need to pay a lot more attention to diplomacy.

[Agema]

Can you extend the turn limit by four hours, please? I can't do it tonight and I might struggle to do it as soon as 20.00GMT tomorrow.

[Quitti]

Hosting extended by 6 hours

[Ossa]

Pangea broke its NAP with Marignon without warning.

[Nimnio]

Pangea broke its NAP with Marignon without warning.
And I'm not forcing you to stand by your pacts (NAPs, Alliances, trades). If you think you can get away with your scam, go ahead. It's a perilous world out there, but if you break your treaties easily, don't think other people will stand up to their words to you either. Every action has an equal reaction. (Meaning basically that this game will have a machiavellian politics.)

I'm sure you haven't forgotten, Ossa, but in the interest of protecting my honour from those who might have ;)

[Zapmeister]

I'm sure you haven't forgotten, Ossa, but in the interest of protecting my honour from those who might have ;)

Mmm, the way I read Ossa's post, he was simply stating a fact without passing judgement on it.

In a Machiavellian game, it is still of value to the other players to know which NAPs are worth something, and which ones aren't ;)

[Quitti]

In a Machiavellian game, it is still of value to the other players to know which NAPs are worth something, and which ones aren't ;)

Exactly.

[Nimnio]

I'm sure you haven't forgotten, Ossa, but in the interest of protecting my honour from those who might have ;)

Mmm, the way I read Ossa's post, he was simply stating a fact without passing judgement on it.

I know: that's why I said "I'm sure you haven't forgotten, Ossa..." I wasn't faulting him for letting other players know the situation (a wise move on his part); I just thought my allies in other games would like to know that I appreciate the distinction between the two game types.

... Ok, so this sounded less trivial in my head. I worry too much.

[Quitti]

Do we have any mac users who I should be aware of - for postponing hosting until 3.23 is out for them.

[Nimnio]

The requested URL /downloads/dompatch323.exe was not found on this server.

I'll try again later tonight.

[Agema]

Hi, can I have a 24h extension for this turn, please?

[Quitti]

I wasn't at computer yesterday so I missed that - can't help it now though.

[Agema]

Mm. I got out a rushed housekeeping turn, lost me a major battle but better than staling.

[Revolution]

At this time, I would like to ask for a concession...A rough count puts me at around 130 provinces total income of about 10,000 gold (6000 after upkeep) 263 gems/turn (only 2 of which are blood slaves) I have been putting those gems to good use...I found the Ultimate gateway during my invasion of Pythium (for those not in the know, it's a magic site with a 50% conjuration bonus...which in the hands of my nation is almost unfair, thus the proliferation of rudras and kinnaras) I finished researching quite a while ago so all of my mages are free to roam and cast magic to devastating effect.

There are still some potent nations out there (Atlantis has shown very solid defensive anti SC tactics and I'm sure pangea and his carrion beasts would prove unpleasant) but thankfully I'm not a one trick pony and my SC's are mostly there to disrupt income while my main armies take down the real resistance. I have quite enjoyed this game but my turns are starting to take a painfully long time and at this point I think it's less a case of if I'll win and more a case of when. I'll crack that dome on your cap eventually Atlantis :D

[Kortek]

My own doom in eventuality come from one or the other. I am toast when it comes to defending against Patala... at least I could gorilla it against Atlantis. Towel goes in should everyone else concur.

[Quitti]

*Stuff*

I know that you've been expanding long and mostly unopposed, but darn, didn't think that much.

I know there's pretty much nothing left of me (C'tis) after countless years of warring with mictlan, swapping provinces and simply killing each others mages and troops off. At least I can draw some comfort from the fact that I outlived him :)

So, I'm willing to call it Patala's victory (Ultimate gateway, right...) unless no-one else thinks they can oppose him in the race to godhood.

[Agema]

You mean, one day you'll crack all three of the domes on my capital ;).

I've been struggling against both Ulm and Abysia, and whilst I've been crushing their armies by and large, I've also lacked the troops to exploit and make big territorial gains. Although I've finally become very strong in SC/troops and was ready for a big push when Patala attacked, being stalled for so long has exhausted my empire in gems and gold.

I can probably make Patala's life somewhat difficult for a while with the firepower I have left should everyone fancy an all-out assault, but equally I'd agree to concede if all others do.

[LoloMo]

Haha, I had to fight off Man, Bogarus, and the occasional Pythium while dealing with C'tis. I thought I was going to outlive C'tis, but then I miscalculated on my dominion candles. Good job Revo!

[Caerun]

Hmph. Nobody notices the little hoburg priests sneaking about doing their thing.

Oh, wait, that was kinda the point. Nevermind, carry on. :)

On to the topic at hand, I'm a bit on the fence. On one hand, I know full well I won't be able to stop Patala at this point with what I have, despite the generous donations from Marignon. At most, I figure I can be an annoyance for a few turns, but that's about it. On the other hand, if I know there's a proper war going on out there that might end up in Patala's fall, I've no problems at all with being said annoyance.

So it really comes down to how many people are willing to keep trying the impossible. In other words, I'm pretty much on the same lines as Agema here.

[Revolution]

I figured I'd show my map so those who don't have great scouting can see how the world is laid out at this time (hopefully pangea agrees to concede so that this does not come back to bite me :D) I'll share some more images and a rundown of my game once things are definitely over.


http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/groooovin/patala2.png

[Kortek]

Holy crap. *towel tossed into ring*.

[Caerun]

First thing that comes to mind when seeing that was:

Oh my me, we're all so very screwed.

[Nimnio]

Yeah, I've got the usual army of undead, but not much else to brag about. I concede.

[Agema]

Hmm, my scouting hadn't been in the far northwest for quite a while, I knew Patala dominated the centre but I had no idea they were quite that widespread.

[Quitti]

Very well, I guess I'll let you guys fight Patala for a few turns and then declare the game finished :)

Unless everyone want to finish it now.

[Revolution]

I think you might just want to end it Quitti...with 2-4 players who have conceded and 2 who are on the fence about fighting on. Hosting is coming up pretty quick and it looks like there are defiantly a few who are going to stale who figured it was finished.

[Quitti]

Indeed. I might as well end it - Congratulations to Revolution, Player of Patala, who won the game. A supreme god above all (and so on). The game will be finished tomorrow unless I hear strong objections.

[Revolution]

I got pretty lucky this game...I started out with my capital literally two provinces away from Mictlan's capital. I was reasonably concerned...even with an awake SC god there is not much I could have done against a bless rush...thankfully Mictlan agreed to a NAP and eventually seemed to get mired in a war with literally all his neighbors. I was able to expand reasonably rapidly but my position was really exposed, I was surrounded on all sides but I was reasonably happy with the amount of land I had so I established NAP's with Pythium, Man, Jomon Pangea and Abysia (I was really a big pacifist in the early game). My early focus was to get as many cheap castles up as possible as quickly as possible to jump start my research while site searching as much as I could. Tien Chi had been complaining about his weak start location (and it was quite bad) and when I saw that he was my neighbor and that his god was a crone and was out manually site searching I figured he'd be a relatively easy kill in the early game and would have the potential to be a big pain the the *** if allowed to live to the late game. So I banded together with Abysia and we were able to dispatch Tien chi...unfortunately I underestimated the ai and ended up sitting on his capital and another castle that the ai built in the north for what seemed like an eternity. I had planned to dominion kill him but his dominion was quite persistent and lived on in abysia's northern land where aby had no temples. When I did eventually successfully storm his capital I took it with ease but my god (The destroyer of worlds) took some light damage and managed to get feeble minded. Not a huge deal since my early expansion was over; he would sit on Tien's capital doing nothing for the rest of the game.

I was lucky enough to find 2 indy mage sites...Gnomes E2N2, very useful battle mages and wizards who gave me access to all magical paths and have a natural 10rp/turn for 180 gold. I quickly researched my way up to Maelstrom and put that up and with hammers proceeded to clam like a *****. I was making an average of 4 clam of pearls/turn for quite a while, I ended up stopping at 50 clams. C'tis having well of misery had me concerned so I eventually overwrote it with my own and picked up some nice death unique items. Most of my death gems ended up going into liches, I ended up with 6 of them and would use them to cast manifestation and leprosy...Marignon and Atlantis took most of them, despite the fact that they are anonymous spells I did not throw them against people I had NAP's with.

Jomon and Marignon went to war somewhat early on...I had pretty good scouting the whole game and watched most of the battles. Despite generally taking heavy losses due to Mari's impressive PD Jomon seemed to have achieved an advantage over Mari and killed his god when he accepted peace and they returned to prewar borders. I considered attacking and trying to wipe out Jomon at this point but he was pretty new to multiplayer and I had given him some advice and kind of felt bad about attacking him...so I ended up sitting around summoning/forging. All my neighbors seemed to be stagnating...the eastern powers were destroying each other with no nation seemingly managing to achieve an advantage. Eventually Pythium went ai and so did Jomon so I moved in on the two nations simultaneously. I took an undefended province of Pythium's (I had scouts all over Pythiums land and he would always be leaving provinces with 0 PD...drove me nuts but I did not want to fight hydra masses. When I took the province the ai decided to send some human made hydra armies my way...an unpleasant surprise, I had seen what those things did to bogarus's nice SC's and I was not really prepared to fight them...So I kept the AI's armies at bay by constantly killing all its commanders with earth attacks and manifestations. To the west jomon gave me some nasty surprises as well. The AI can be pretty serious business with human created armies in its hands. I had a cavalry mass overrun a large astral mage force with an infantry front that was not big enough to properly protect it, and his astral mages made using my SC's a dangerous prospect. Eventually though I wore down and conquered most of both these nations and in Pythiums land found the ultimate gateway.

By now my SC force was really strong...Marignon was fighting Pangea and Atlantis was fighting Atlantis, I gave them some aid with remote spells when I'd see a big stack of troops from Marignon or Atlantis. At this point I was pretty sure I would win and was just trying to weaken/demoralize my enemies to make them a bit softer down the road. With my SC's I was able to take over most of C'tis in 1 turn and had it all in two (except for the castles which I was content to leave under siege) Mictlan was dominion killed and I ended up splitting his land with Man before giving Man warning on our NAP. I was careful not to fight Ulm because I wanted the ai to continue focusing on Atlantis.

At this point Marignon was pretty much dead and Abysia still had a lot of land but his armies and mages were pretty much destroyed by Atlantis. Man had invested most of his money in PD...I couldn't even get scouts into his land but I knew that my SC's would easily dispatch any number of unsupported PD. The only threats to my power as I saw it were Pangea and Atlantis. I had talked to Pangea and he indicated he didn't really want to fight me and knew I was in a much more powerful position than him so I sent troops south to start raiding Atlantis and started striking in Abysia to claim some of his vast amounts of undefended land. That's pretty much it, thanks for the game everyone!


Sorry bout the wall of boring text :D

[Quitti]

Interesting - I mainly bombarded mictlan and forged/summoned stuff with those death gems - I could've done better, but since Bogarus wanted me to start fighting Mictlan the same time as him, and I thought he was an easy opponent with Man and Bogarus by my side - Unfortunately Man started doing something else, and Bogarus went AI. That left me pretty much alone against Mictlan, and as a added bonus the Bogarus AI decided to attack me. And all this while starting in probably one of the lousiest positions in the game - I think I had 2 waste and 2 mountain provinces next to my cap, with closest mountain/farmlands (best ones around up there) 3-4 turns away.

Still, it was an interesting game for the most part.