Chronicles_MA - General Game Discussion

[Lokean]

I've changed your email and resent the turn, just to make sure it's working, Kristoffer. Since the wiki's been set up could people start restricting their writeups to there, please? I'm assuming that your post below the request is for Turn 1, Kristoffer, or is it just a little commentary?

[Kristoffer O]

It was just a response to me being second in doing my turn. Baalz (IIRC he is Ulm) managed to get his turn in befor I did :)

[Lokean]

I blame differing timezones...

[Wrana]

IIRC, there was an idea that "Secret Pacts" were also written in-character, to be posted later, when their secretness isn't important anymore. While public diplomacy remains public - it's quite advantageous, after all, to have your neighbor know that you already have 2 allies... ;)
I personally am for this.

[Lokean]

I would point out that nations do not commonly hold their negotiations in public, so if you do diplominate in character it would not make sense to post it.
However, most nations do make it very public what the fruits of diplomacy bring, so I would suggest that proclamations of Marignon's alliance with R'lyeh, which will bring the fires of truth to all corners of the world both above and below the waves and last for all time, would be not only appropriate but hilarious when R'lyeh simultaneously sabotages seven of Marignon's military and research centers with remote attack rituals a year later...


Anyway, since the game's now up and running I'm going to use the other thread and sort out the EA game...

[Wrana]

Agree to that. But we can post official communiques on any negotiations - you know, the sort that leaves everyone wondering... ;)

[calmon]

I can't find the official Chroncles_MP thread with all players, link to wiki, etc. in the first post.

This one is edited and says something about the splitting, but no links.

Any hint?

[Lokean]

Lch asked me not to put links to the wiki in the public threads yet, but I sent you a PM with the link in, didn't I?

[calmon]

ok sorry and thanks :). I totally forgot the PM.

[Lokean]

Hosting postponed until the 27th, for those busy over Christmas. Hunt11 has asked for a delay until 2nd January, so I'll probably end up redelaying it further.

[Kristoffer O]

OK, pity, I'm visiting my folks and have nothing to do but play dominions and writing stuff :)

I think I'm getting hang of the wiki. I edited my turn page at first, but realized it was not linked to the nation page. So when I made the nation page I got a double post on the turn page. But now everything seems nice and good.

[Kristoffer O]

I have added a decree headline on my wiki in accordance with my previous post on Ulm.

Added: gifts presented to a particular minister will not be taken by the bureaucracy. The stated receiver will get items unless they are deemed harmful, or if the Emperor (or someobne else) finds out and confiscates the item. Such actions will enter the wiki.

Also, feel free to negotiate with individual commanders and mages. The emperor is not allseeing, and not all generals are necessarily true to his cause.

[Kristoffer O]

Thanks someone! :)

My decree was not properly organized after all it seemed. When I tried to fix stuff I lost my connection. When I restarted everything was fine and the coding was slightly changed :)

[Wrana]

Pity. Until January seems a long way... :(

[sansanjuan]

The emperor is not allseeing, and not all generals are necessarily true to his cause.

I like that twist... ;)
-SSJ

[Tifone]

Going away and coming back on January 2nd! Plz delay? :) Cya guys!! Best wishes for the new year!! :cheers:

[Lokean]

Wrana and Otherling staled this turn. Was this due to miscommunication somewhere or simple oversight?

[Kristoffer O]

Hi, I'm back at home, so I can read my normal mail again. How do I get the llamaserver to change my adress back to my normal one?

[Tifone]

Lokean needs to do that mr. Kristoffer. You should PM him your new mail address ;)

[Kristoffer O]

Said and done.

[Executor]

The wiki seems to be on turn 3 still?

[Hadrian_II]

Wrana and Otherling staled this turn. Was this due to miscommunication somewhere or simple oversight?

I would say it is due to holidays and the someone stales always glitch.

[Otherling]

Wrana and Otherling staled this turn. Was this due to miscommunication somewhere or simple oversight?

At least in my case, just a result of a busy holiday season. Got the turn end for this one mixed up with another game I'm in, and thought I had another day or so. Should be fine from here.

[Vanslime]

Just letting everyone know that I've set up the pages for turns 4 and 5 on the wiki, so if you have anything to put up, you can get to it.

[Tifone]

Sorry for my staling. I must have messed with the mail inadvertently.

[Wrana]

Also sorry for staling. When I returned home at 9 at the morning :) , I missed that current turn should be sent immediately. Fortunately, holidays are almost over (Orthodox Christmas still ahead, but...).

[DonCorazon]

The Hoburgs staled last turn and looks like they might stale again. As much as we are tempted to see how easy it is to trample hobbits, we'd rather see them defend themselves.

[Tifone]

Sorry for not having written for a while. I've now written another chapter, on the turn 5, another will arrive at turn 10. Great to see many of you guys have continued writing your stories, I really appreciate the diversity and uniqueness of the writing styles :)

[DonCorazon]

Should we look for a sub for Ylvali/Hoburg or set them AI? He's staled 3 out of 7, including the last two and doesn't seem to be around...

[Tifone]

He's staling even in Joker... Plz set a delay while we search for a sub not to have this nation stale even more?

What a pity in a game like this where the personality of the writer is so important :(

[Kristoffer O]

The latest Jotun writeup appear on every turn. A missing noinclude or something?

There is still no ministry of supernatural affairs. It seems likely that supernatural contacts will be accepted once a year, since supernatural beings are less concerned with the passing of time and are in no hurry.

Since winter is the time when the supernatural is the strongest this will likely be the time when the ministry contacts supernatural entities.

[solmyr]

I'm not sure if I did this right, I edited some code of Jotun wiki page to expand to turn 9. Can someone have a look at my source code?

[Vanslime]

I took care of it. For everyone's information, here's the "code" for a turn entry:

<noinclude>
== [[Chronicles:Turn_7|Turn 7]] ==
</noinclude>{{#ifeq: {{{turn|7}}} |7|

}}

Here's what you'd put up, solmyr:

<noinclude>
== [[Chronicles:Turn_7|Turn 7]] ==
</noinclude>{{#ifeq: {{{turn|7}}} |7|
}}

}}

(N.b.:the error is bolded for identification)

[Wrana]

Sorry for missing writeups. There was not much to write about, but still... I have about 2 stories which are possible at the moment, one of which is a few days back. Hopefully, another would occur soon...

[lch]

Like Vanslime wrote, put the text in-between the curly {{ ... }} braces, that's important.

[Lokean]

I am pretty much offline at this point, RL problems. I'm going to have to hand over the admin to somebody else. Since lch is handling the database I'm going to PM him the llamaserver password, he can hand it off from there is necessary.

[lch]

Uhm, to the other players, please prod me if there's anything wrong with the game that would require me to do administrative tasks. I have practically no net access at home except for a very shaky WLAN connection, so emails or PMs would be the best.

[DonCorazon]

I can take over as Admin. So shall we look for a Hoburg sub, or turn them AI?
The short, tragic tale of the Hoburg alliance... :(

[Tifone]

I don't really think it's possible to find a sub for a game so... "personal". He already missed some turns. If you find a sub, better of course... try ;)

[DonCorazon]

The good news is we have a sub - rdonj kindly volunteered to take over and do what he can to save the Hoburgs. The bad news is I haven't been able to get a response from lch, lokean, or llamabeast yet so don't have the admin password to be able to switch emails. Hopefully we can get things back up and running shortly...

[Tifone]

Hope so. We'll not attack the little buggers at least until the new sub is here :D

[DonCorazon]

Still no word from llama, lokean or lch. Help?

[calmon]

Did you pm all 3? I think we need an active player as admin asap.

[DonCorazon]

Yep, I have PMed them all. Just PMed llamabeast again.

[DonCorazon]

Yay! LLamabeast has responded. Game should be back on - still need TC and Shin to take turns, along with Hoburgs once they get a chance to review the situation.

[rdonj]

Alright, I have my turn file and will turn it in shortly. It's only turn 9 so I doubt a whole lot of diplomacy has been done so far, but if anyone has something I need to know, feel free to pm me.

[sansanjuan]

rdonj,
I believe the Alliance part of The Hoburg Alliance was with Caelum. They where about to share some of that extra gold that has been accumulating/lying about Horburg for some months with their favorite compatriots... ;)

All - I believe Yivali is "she". Fine player if memory serves. Sad she dropped out but welcome rdonj!

-SSJ

[lch]

Hi folks, sorry, I was on a short vacation for half a week with deliberately no net access, which started about exactly when doncorazon PM'ed me. From what I can read, the problem has been dealt with, and I assume that doncorazon can admin now, too?

[DonCorazon]

lch, thanks. :)
Yes, game is back on track and I can take over as admin. - just waiting on Shin and TC. Next turn is set to host in ~ 12 hours...

[Wrana]

Sent.

[Tifone]

maybe a little delay for them? like 12 more hours?

[lch]

Hosting delayed by 12 hours, and doncorazon should have the admin password now.

[Tifone]

T'ien C'hi and Shinuyama are again about to stale... another delay?

[Executor]

Sigh, I wish my neighbors staled...

[DonCorazon]

Added 12 hours.

[Kristoffer O]

Sorry about the almost staling. I fell asleep in my sofa after work :)

I'm in two games atm, and I'm used to be in none, so I get surprised every day because there is always one game that I'm about to stale in.

[Gandalf Parker]

Id miss all kinds of things if I didnt have my computers reminding me of everything.

[Tifone]

Mr Kristoffer, you got a couple PMs from me ;) are you receiving those?...

[solmyr]

Tien Chi emperor obviously doesn't have time dealing with supernatural beings...

[Tifone]

Hadrian-II, looks like you have inadvertently messed a bit with the wiki, if you need help I'll be glad to repair the pages :)

[Kristoffer O]

The ministry of supernatural affairs is not yet formed. The position as minister is not yet dealt to anyone, so gold and gems might still influence the election.

Unfortunately the Emperor just showed himself for the first time since he was poisoned by Lin Poo. The empire is celebrating, but the appointment of the minister will probably be delayed, as well as all foreign affairs.

In other words, I have a rather busy week and my pretender returned and I have little time to write stuff :)

[Tifone]

Isn't Tay-yue Da-di the minister? Lol, I've talked with the wrong man :D I'll let the message for the next turn as it is, you'll decide if it's ok :)

[Hadrian_II]

Hadrian-II, looks like you have inadvertently messed a bit with the wiki, if you need help I'll be glad to repair the pages :)

What, i dont see any problem with the wiki.:angel:

But i hope i did it right this time

[DonCorazon]

Man was going to stale so I added 6 hours and PMed the offender. :)

[Hadrian_II]

Man was going to stale so I added 6 hours and PMed the offender. :)

I would let this game run along as it is normal that people stale and there is nothing much you can do about it.

Also this game is still in early game and we have already an 48 hour timer so further delays are really not necessary.

edit: yay, ranting makes turns come :D

[quantum_mechani]

I hate to request an extension on such slow moving game, but I have a virus preventing me from taking the turn at the moment. Hopefully I should have time to sort it out tomorrow.

[Tifone]

It's ok to me, we could stop 'till 18 jan or anyway 'till when q_m terminates the bugger :) DonCorazon whaddya think? ;)

(... of course in exchange we expect qm to work on the A8 mage of LA Agartha :D )

[DonCorazon]

Of course I wouldn't have minded to extend the turn (as you know I have even pro-actively postponed hosting to accommodate players) but Monday mornings are bad and in this case I was in a meeting and just saw his message now. I check the boards and PMs pretty frequently but in the future to be safe try to provide more advance notice.... :)

[Baalz]

By decree of the ascending goddess, I am authorized to secure deals trading treasures straight from the great forges of Ulm. Any greater magic item contracted from a master smith at base price in gems, gem type flexible. Dwarven hammers for 15 gems of whatever you've got handy. Other path items available for forgings upon negotiation. Bulk discounts and favored long term trading arrangements available. Payment in fire gems currently qualify for additional discount. Interested parties should send an agent to the bayside section of the grand bazaar, ask for Pete.

[rdonj]

Awakening from a long, drunken stupor (perhaps they imbibed a bit much of the sacred beer), the Hoburg have awakened to an epiphany. To accomplish their grand quest to get the rest of the world to settle down, they're going to need to unite the other nations under Hoburg rule. The lands of men in the west beckon to the short ones. The great crusade is about to begin!

Okay that wasn't that great, but Man, there's your warning :)

[rdonj]

It would appear that man has staled the last two turns. QM, are you still playing? If not, it might be time to get a sub.

[Johan K]

Message from KO:
My internet is out of order so I won't be able to do my turns for a while.

[DonCorazon]

hmm...not sure how long "a while" is. I suppose he wouldn't mind if we found a sub for him? And we'll need to check in on Man to see whether he needs a sub.

[rdonj]

This is a bad game to have subs in, it would really be best to avoid them if at all possible. KO at least is still intending to play, and has been sending in his turns. I would rather wait for him. QM has staled two turns in a row, which seems to me a good sign of dropping from the game.

[DonCorazon]

I don't mind waiting - maybe JK can see if he can get an estimate from KO just so we know what to expect (days? weeks?- a "while" means different things to different folks). Plus we would just look for a temporary, not permanent sub. Anyway, I don't mind either way - just need more info / player input.

[Wrana]

Personally, I think that it would be best to wait for KO - particularly as I'm trying to negotiate with his empire right now. :) On the other hand, his storyline allows for temporary sub at least - some discontinuity can be explained by different court clique taking power temporary...

[DonCorazon]

Added 72 hours for now. If we need more, we can add it. I expect diligent Chronicles players will make good use of this time to scribe their epic tales... :)

[Kristoffer O]

Hi!

My connection is still down. A field technician is reputedly working on the case and he might contact me. However, I suspect he wont work during the weekend, so send my turns to JK. He can sub me for a few days. johan at illwinter.

He likes old people, so I'll put him in charge of the newly formed ministry of supernatural affairs and the tuang-ti da-di guy. Can't remember his name :)

Supernatural affairs seems more prevalent than human relations. He might decide that the winter is the time of supernatural contacts. This will lead to a time calm on his part.

[DonCorazon]

Welcome Johan, lover of old people! :) The TC turn should have been sent to you.
I think the next turn hosts in just over 2 days but if you need more time, just let me me know. Thanks for stepping in.

[Wrana]

Is this minister bribable? ;)

[rdonj]

You shouldn't say things like that out loud, what if the emperor hears about it? The poor, corrupt minister could be sentenced to death and then who would you do business with.

[Wrana]

With the next one, of course! On the other hand, I surely do not insist that the answer be made in public, even though bribing officials was a time-honored tradition in China (they didn't get state payment for their work as such) and so Emperor would probably be lenient in this respect - especially if it works out good enough for his Empire.. :)

[rdonj]

I'd just like to point out that man has staled for the third time now. I'm currently taking over his territory, and I really shouldn't be able to honestly. Is it possible to get a sub for man?

[quantum_mechani]

I didn't take turns in any games last week due to various problems, I thought I was back on top of them but this one slipped. Anyway, I'll make an effort to get the turn in this time.

[rdonj]

Thanks!

[Kristoffer O]

I'm back. My turns can be sent to my proper adress now.

The ministry was utterly corrupt and several ministers have been executed. Jo-Ang Kai-Song (also known as JK) was swiftly put to death. The emperor is pleased. All is well in the empire. There are no dissidents. Everyone is glad to pay their taxes. All hail the Emperor!

[Wrana]

1000 years of life! :)

[DonCorazon]

The address for the Celestial Empire has been changed.

[Executor]

I think the wiki need an update, we finaly have something interesting to write about with wars starting everywhere.

[DonCorazon]

Agreed, many nations are playing this pretty quietly as if it were any other MP game. Lets get some chronicles going - at least more than one update every 20 turns por favor!

[Wrana]

It also looks like many nation threads don't have editable blanks beyond turn five. Maybe it should be added? (I managed to do this once, but am not sure this is how I should do it). Also, there was a post here some time back, with Hoburgs declaring war on Man - it probably should be copied to wiki...

[DonCorazon]

I added them for my own nation and I am pretty technically challenged. I just looked at the script for turns 1-5 and copied and pasted then changed the turn numbers. Since I already added the turn numbers for R'lyeh up to 19, the easiest way to do it would be to go to the R'lyeh nation page and open the edit screen and copy all the script that looks like

== [[Chronicles:Turn_11|Turn 11]] ==
</noinclude>{{#ifeq: {{{turn|11}}} |11|

Text goes here
}}<noinclude>

Note the "no include" text doesn't show up above but you'll see it on the wiki edit screen and know what I mean.

[Tifone]

Speaking personally I'm really sorry for my situation, I'm having trouble finding time as I'm under a heavy exams session, I'll write even the chronicles of the previous turns as soon as I'll find some free time! At least, I'm carrying a very interesting diplomatic life :)

[Executor]

Quote:
I'm having trouble finding time as I'm under a heavy exams session, I'll write even the chronicles of the previous turns as soon as I'll find some free time!

You and me both my friend...

[rdonj]

I'm not really working well with the story the original hoburg leader decided on. It's not really the sort of direction I would normally go. And they chose such a strange build. I'm not really too sure what to do with myself. And last turn I learned a very important lessen about the difference in size between man and hoburg :hurt:.

Anyway, I'm sorry I'm not really writing for them, it's just not a theme that works well for me.

[calmon]

Atlantis (hunt11) stalled 2 times in row now. I think we should set the game on hold and finde a replacement. With only 2 water nations this is one key position.

[DonCorazon]

I've PMed hunt11 and will hold the game until we confirm he is still playing or, if necessary, find a sub. R'lyeh has taken 0 provinces from Atlantis btw.

And we'd like to here some stories from Ermor :)

[DonCorazon]

Just checking in on the illustrious TC as I see a couple stales. Hope all is well in the Celestial Empire. :)

[Wrana]

I am hoping so too - they are my neighbors and while I surely do not want to invade them I'd rather they don't suddenly turn AI on me! And that is without taking in consideration KO's excellent stories - which I hope would continue! ;)
And on another topic - could you say how long ago it was that we'd lost Baalz? Ulm seems to be on AI now, but I hadn't checked this for a long time...

[DonCorazon]

I think around ~ turn 19 he lost his pretender and went AI thereafter.

See "The Last Days of Ulm" under R'lyeh for a full accounting of the tragic fall of Mama Gaga... :)

Meanwhile, I have to say it would be nice to get accounts from other nations. With graphs off, its not quite fair to be divulging valuable intel via the chronicles when other nations are not reporting anything. :(

[Wrana]

I'm going to describe the bravery of my Pretender soon - I am just not ready right now for the text which does him justice. But it will certainly be written before the next turn after I have some sleep! ;)
And congratulations to R'lyeh! You are example to us all. :)

[DonCorazon]

Added 24 hours to try and see what is going on with TC - looked like they were going to stale for a 3rd time. I will PM TC and see if we should look for a sub.

[Wrana]

I hope he shows up.
Another question, DonCorazon - what would you say about Ulm tactics? I was interested by Baalz' proposal some time ago but don't know how effective they are actually.
And on another topic - while it is certainly amusing to see Skaven cry treachery, our Foreign Ministry hereby officially declares that though we HAD offered them peace upon our first contact, we had no actual reply to this from them... ;) We have found that further pressing the matter was not in our interest due to geopolitical reasons. Of course, anybody observant can also see that they boasted on their attack on Caelum and then cried about Caelum attack... ;)

[DonCorazon]

I have not heard back from TC - what do players want to do? Look for a sub, postpone for however long it takes to get an update on his situation ( I just added another 48 hours), or....? I hate to postpone to long as then other players start to lose interest / or in my case forget what the heck I was doing. :)

@Wrana: When you say his proposal, I am not sure what you mean? I think Ulm's strategy this game was reliant on a peaceful early game.

[Wrana]

I meant Baalz's guide to MA Ulm:
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=41701
Or he didn't use tricks from there this time? I ask before I'm thinking about using some of them for EA Ulm and would like to have first-hand report...

[Hadrian_II]

I hope he shows up.
And on another topic - while it is certainly amusing to see Skaven cry treachery, our Foreign Ministry hereby officially declares that though we HAD offered them peace upon our first contact, we had no actual reply to this from them... ;)

If this is true, i have just written down the nap, but forgot to send you my actual answer :doh:

[Wrana]

Quite possibly. You should also consider your answers to trading proposal - arrogant at least - as one of the reasons any Oriental general should have attacked you the moment he had some means to... ;)
By the way, I wondered where your Grey Seers went - now we'll see what I can take them with...

[Hadrian_II]

Quite possibly. You should also consider your answers to trading proposal - arrogant at least - as one of the reasons any Oriental general should have attacked you the moment he had some means to... ;)

the skaven empire: your nice furry friends
did just seem wrong :D

[Wrana]

You forgot Skavenspeak! :D
(Men-things, kill-kill, et al.)
By the way - a letter my scout forgot about, translated into Skavenspeak:
Rat-rat, knock-knock! :p

[rdonj]

The great crusade seems plagued with misfortune. Several quick victories and the raising of a new fort saw the crusade nearly upon the gates of the capitol of men. Then disaster struck. Overconfident from their earlier victories, a large hoburg army was almost completely destroyed by one of Man's armies. That's when all hell broke loose. At almost the same time, a group of marauding knights attacked and took over one of the provinces the crusade had wrested from Man. The Abysians, apparently allied with the humans, suddenly attacked from the east, ruining all attempts to regroup and slaying most of the crusade's human host. Only a few months later, as the crusade sallies to fight back the scourge of abysian aggression yet another band of maurading knights has attacked, and now Hoburgdorf itself is under siege. It is a dark time for the Hoburgs, and the sacred beer is now consumed in such great quantity that the glorious sacred fountain has nearly dried up. If the great crusade cannot turn back the tide of abysian soldiers streaming across the lands quickly, the war will be lost.

But the greatest host the crusade has ever seen has been assembled, and the crusade has won its first battle against abysia's legions. Perhaps in the end the warriors of Hoburgdorf will yet still triumph over adversity, and bring peace to all the peoples of the land.

[Wrana]

I'm seeing some problems with wiki - namely, Nekhekara's page is seen only till turn 5, though you can see a story from them at turn 19 (or close to) page. It's possible that other nations' stories can also be unseen.

[lch]

That's not a problem with the Wiki, that's a problem with the editors who still don't know that they're supposed to put their stuff on their nation pages and edit the turn pages directly instead.

[lch]

Nehekhara was the only one that started editing the turn articles. And stopped after turn 19, because then nobody added turn articles anymore... :P I have now created a template for the turn pages so that there's not more than one line and a warning messages NOT to edit this page in them. Somebody from this game please continue to extend the turn pages in the same fashion from turn 19 on, and every time when a new turn has been played and a new turn page would be needed.

As for the nation pages, all one needs to know and understand is that the page is being broken up into section for inclusion on the turn pages. The code to mark the seperators for these sections looks like this:

}}<noinclude>
== [[Chronicles:Turn_XYZ|Turn XYZ]] ==
</noinclude>{{#ifeq: {{{turn|XYZ}}} |XYZ|
Replace the XYZ in there with the number of the turn that you're describing, it all has to be the same number there, but you don't need to place those seperators for turns that you don't have any text for. You can leave them out for better readability of the nation page and add the required separators when you get to add story for the turn later, maybe.

[DonCorazon]

I have to admit I am getting admin fatigue in this game given the abysmal level of participation. Anyone want to take over?

On a related note, I managed to get an EM from TC after the last couple stales, and didn't seem like he wanted a sub, but now I see a couple more stales and nobody requesting extensions. R'lyeh attacked TC this past turn (my turn was submitted last night). Got back from the doctor's this afternoon and I see turn has hosted and TC staled again. I don't want to attack a staling player but I also don't want to have to change my plans because someone is not playing their turns. I don't care what we do with TC or if we even bother to continue this game.

[Wrana]

A pity, I'd say. Our little dance just starts to really get interesting... :(
By the way, I'm voting absolutely against turning TC into AI. And who are other stalers?

[solmyr]

I believe the pace is a little fast for this game. People are supposed to write something, but with the fast pace it seldom allow them to have the time writing anything. I suggest at least 72 hours with quickhost on.

[lch]

I would love to read from Machaka / Otherling again. The first turns looked very promising to me and made it to the top of my list.

[Tifone]

By the way, I'm voting absolutely against turning TC into AI.

Totally seconded.

(lol, you wouldn't expect KRISTOFFER to stale :( )

[Wrana]

I think initially the idea was for 48hr per turns, with postings about 1/4 days (more often if author feelas up to it). It would allow to skip some of the turns when nothing really happened to concentrate on more interesting occurrences. Of course, Kristoffer have shown that there is plenty of possibility to fill even less interesting turns with internal matters. But I don't think that could be expected of everyone everytime...
I would also like to see how Machaka story would develop - and I'd add to it a Man story, which also had a promising start. As it is, I like Tien Chi and R'lyeh stories best for now...

[DonCorazon]

Ok, hunt11 asked for a one week break so I am going to add 84 hours. I'll leave it up to players to ask for extensions or tell me when people are staling since it has been a bit of a drag tracking down players and trying to figure out if they are still in the game or want a sub, etc. Also, I repeat my offer to turn over admin duties... :)

It would be nice if players with only one or two entries can use this week's break to give us some updates on the wiki. If someone is not interested in writing anything more, then in the spirit of the game, it would probably be best for that player to look for a sub. There was once a lot of demand and interest in this game so I am guessing we could find some writers...

[rdonj]

In that vein, I think I will go looking for a sub. My position isn't very good from a chance to win context, but there's plenty of writing opportunities.

[sansanjuan]

I have to admit I am getting admin fatigue in this game given the abysmal level of participation. Anyone want to take over?

On a related note, I managed to get an EM from TC after the last couple stales, and didn't seem like he wanted a sub, but now I see a couple more stales and nobody requesting extensions. R'lyeh attacked TC this past turn (my turn was submitted last night). Got back from the doctor's this afternoon and I see turn has hosted and TC staled again. I don't want to attack a staling player but I also don't want to have to change my plans because someone is not playing their turns. I don't care what we do with TC or if we even bother to continue this game.

DC ,
Sorry to hear you are burning out a bit. I am enjoying the game. First MP game I've tried that I took a balanced approach on and it feels much better roleplay-wise. (earlier strategies... "I've tried D10, W10, A10, N10.... hmmm... NOW let's see what *E* 10 plays like!..")

I will try to update the Wiki more. Thank you for your efforts.
-SSJ

[DonCorazon]

Ok, hunt11 asked for a one week break so I am going to add 84 hours.

:o Uh, I need to add another 84 hours to make it a week....so 84 more are going on.

[Wrana]

Arrrgh. :mad:

[DonCorazon]

Well, to be fair, that was just my bad math and not technically another extension. hunt11 asked for a week and I originally added 7*12 hours not 7*24 hours.

[Wrana]

Maybe just a case of listening to Shoggoth mathematics too much... ;)

[calmon]

This time i need a 24 hour extension.

Can you please add it Don.

Thanks!

[DonCorazon]

This time i need a 24 hour extension.

Can you please add it Don.

Thanks!

24 hours added

[rdonj]

Well, the hoburgs are out. I'm putting in one last turn and then going AI. Tifone, I shall remember this day and one day, when I am not sandwiched between you and QM, I shall take revenge upon you! :D Not that QM actually did much of the damage to me, he just defeated one minor army at a very unfortunate time, as you attacked me immediately afterward....

My only regret is that I had no bigger spells to fling at you. And that somehow, in no battle did earth might EVER land on a single sacred. Ugh.

Edit: Okay, I kid. I probably won't remember that I was fighting you in the first place.

[Wrana]

Your sacreds are cheesy enough without it! :D
A question before you leave - what your Pretender was?

[DonCorazon]

rdonj - thanks for subbing and guiding the Hoburgs to the great Hobbit hole in the sky. You took over a dire position and played it with good grace :)

On the admin side, Atlantis is staling. I could try attacking him to wake him up - that seemed to work for TC who is proceeding to wipe me off the Earth. Talk about a tactical blunder on R'lyeh's part. oh well...Shall we look for a sub, turn him AI, see if he stales again? I think Wrana, Tifone and Calmon might be the only ones who care :)

[rdonj]

Your sacreds are cheesy enough without it! :D
A question before you leave - what your Pretender was?

I never saw the pretender myself, but I'm 90% sure it was a w9/s9 oracle. Personally, I would have been much happier with b9 than s9, then at least I'd have had units who could damage armor.... Would have come in rather handy against abysia, at least. And those rampant knight attacks.

Well, what can I say DC, I'm a good loser ;)

[calmon]

rdonj - thanks for subbing and guiding the Hoburgs to the great Hobbit hole in the sky. You took over a dire position and played it with good grace :)

On the admin side, Atlantis is staling. I could try attacking him to wake him up - that seemed to work for TC who is proceeding to wipe me off the Earth. Talk about a tactical blunder on R'lyeh's part. oh well...Shall we look for a sub, turn him AI, see if he stales again? I think Wrana, Tifone and Calmon might be the only ones who care :)

Please look for a sub! There should be some interests for a water nation in this game. Maybe we can ask Baalz who already was in this game to take over. Please open a thread don, you're our excellent admin and it makes no sence anyone else do because we all have to refer to you to contact. :)

[Tifone]

GG man ;-)

[DonCorazon]

Calmon, flattery will get you everywhere! Maybe we can get Micah and Wraithlord to sub for some land nations too - good idea. Your subtle maneuvers to rule the world are transparent to all! Know that the Lord of Insanity sees your every thought.

I will reach out to hunt11 and see what's up with his lethargic blubbery Atlantean azz. Never seen a game that entailed so much herding of cats! :) If I don't get a response, I'll post for a weak, ineffectual, noob for Atlantis. :) Might as well get some use out of the omnipotent powers of the admin....

[Executor]

I agree, look for a sub as soon as possible!

On another matter Nehekhara is looking to buy nature boosters, or nature gems, or/and earth booster, and forge hammers, and astral cap, and a bag of wind/or winged helmet.

Oh, and I don't suppose anyone's got some spare blood slaves and blood boosters?

[Wrana]

It seems Nehekhara is in need of everything. Maybe (just maybe) it can offer something in return? ;)

[Executor]

Well what do you need in return? PM me with demands and offers if you'd like.

[DonCorazon]

Please welcome Jarkko as the new leader of Atlantis to our little battle for divine ascension. Please PM him regarding any diplomatic arrangements you might have.

[Jarkko]

Greetings all!

Reading through the wiki, altough I need to head to bed in a moment (have the damn early shift tomorrow). I'll make a turn tomorrow after work, so please do PM me (if possible) during the next 17 hours if there is some diplomatic arrangements or some such that I should be aware of :)

[Jarkko]

So... Does anybody have an estimate on how many turns Atlantis have staled? If I may guess, I would say its a few more than a few. I also am pretty sure what was the point where the former controller lost interest in Atlantis :eek:

Well. At least I have some money to play around with :)


Arise all you sons of this see
Let us sing of our joy to be free

Let us raise our voices
Oh, Atlantis!

[DonCorazon]

6 stales total, which actually only puts them in 2nd place for the title of Lord of Stales this game. 3 of their last turns were stales, however, thus the full coffers. Anyway, Jarkko, have fun and if it looks hopeless nobody will blame you if you turn them AI at some point, though some of the land nations might wince :)

[Executor]

Nehekharas amphibian forces won't mind if you switch to AI. :)
Although it might be good to give us a head up to send troops into position.

[Jarkko]

Nehekharas amphibian forces won't mind if you switch to AI. :)
Although it might be good to give us a head up to send troops into position.
I have to admit I have one serious deficiency: Once I start something, I have a very hard time to give up :(

Atlantis will put together an army worth songs this turn. Next turn Atlantis will find out if the song is an epic ballad of honour and victory, or a sad tune of tragedy and death.

[llamabeast]

I've just released a new version of the Tomb Kings mod, and copied it to the LlamaServer. Would you all mind downloading the new version from the link in my signature? Otherwise you'll get inconsistencies in the battle reports when fighting the Tomb Kings, as your copy will think they have different stats to what they actually have.

Executor: A few of the changes will have some effect on you. Your Tomb Kings now cost a hefty 500(!) gold, but gained some earth magic. The priests and sacreds are somewhat more expensive too. On the plus side your national holy spells are much more effective (they stick much better). Another major plus is that the Servants of Horus are now greatly improved, and represent a worthwhile thing to spend your fire gems on, particularly if there's any chance of fighting demons. There were quite a few other minor changes - check out the thread for details.

Sorry for the inconvenience everyone.

[llamabeast]

I've just released a new version of the Tomb Kings mod, and copied it to the LlamaServer. Would you all mind downloading the new version from the link in my signature? Otherwise you'll get inconsistencies in the battle reports when fighting the Tomb Kings, as your copy will think they have different stats to what they actually have.

Executor: A few of the changes will have some effect on you. Your Tomb Kings now cost a hefty 500(!) gold, but gained some earth magic. The priests and sacreds are somewhat more expensive too. On the plus side your national holy spells are much more effective (they stick much better). Another major plus is that the Servants of Horus are now greatly improved, and represent a worthwhile thing to spend your fire gems on, particularly if there's any chance of fighting demons. There were quite a few other minor changes - check out the thread for details.

Sorry for the inconvenience everyone.

[Executor]

Yeah sure, I also think they could use some modding. PM'd you Llama.

[llamabeast]

Ahem. I'm afraid I just released another iteration of Tomb Kings. If you just updated, would you mind doing so again? This time will be the last iteration for a while, promise. The update addresses a couple of Executor's concerns, and some balance issues that have been nagging at me.

[Executor]

I need a 48 hour delay if possible, I'm having slight problems with my computer, should give me enough time to sort it out.

[DonCorazon]

48 hours added.

[Jarkko]

I've added a couple notes (for turns 27 and 28) to the Atlantis section. Hopefully I have catched the spirit of the thing :)


I need advice how to add notes in the future. These were done by editing turns 4 and 5 (which had no text in them ;) ) to turns 27 and 28 :)

[Wrana]

Doing the same. Plus changing the turn numbers to be appropriate.

[calmon]

The nation of ermor needs earth gems and is willing to trade away death gems or - in few amounts - other gems for it.

Mortius
First Thaumaturg
Ermor

(Please write me a pm if you're interested)

[DonCorazon]

We look forward to the exciting tale of your fort building / infrastructure project Ermor!

So, llamaserver has been back for a couple days - I haven't bumped up the time that llamabeast set since so many turns are still out at this point and no need to throw people off. Looks like there is about 3 days left til next hosting and then we'll be back to 72 hours.

[Jarkko]

Atlantis is willing to purchase 50 nature gems. For payment Atlantis offers 50 water gems. Please do contact via PM :)

[calmon]

I would say we its time for looking replacement TC and Marignon, isn't it?

[DonCorazon]

Feel free, I'm tired of looking for subs for this game and repeat my offer to turn over admin duties. I don't check the staling data anymore but since you do Calmon maybe you want to take over? :)

In fact, I'd be happy to end this game at any point given the unusually high player turnover, stales... And I think R'lyeh is doing pretty well but its just not that fun playing in a game where players are continually vanishing, leading to a lack of balance.

[Executor]

And I think R'lyeh is doing pretty well but its just not that fun playing in a game where players are continually vanishing, leading to a lack of balance.

Yes, I agree! I demand that one nation next to me starts staling or turns AI!!!

[Executor]

Well I submited my turn, but it was as good as a stale, in fact it would have been better if it indeed was a stale turn.
This is the 3 time that damn ice devil escapes death.

[llamabeast]

Apart from TC and Marignon the stales don't look too bad for this game.

It's a shame that KO staled a lot though. I guess he's a busy man.

[sansanjuan]

....nudge

KC .. I'm attacking T'ien Ch'i. Not sporting of me to battle someone in a stale-spin. I have no doubt you can put a hurt'n on Caelum with those ponies of yours.... and you likely have 1E6 gold for more...

-SSJ

[sansanjuan]

doh!

should be addressing KO not the mysterious "KC"
-SSJ

[DonCorazon]

At one point or another, I have had to find subs for or send messages to urge turn taking from Atlantis (before excellent Jarkko), TC, Hoburg, Marignon (now), and Man. That's 1/3 of the players and I don't think any have ever bothered to post a message - just vanish or start staling. While I think most games have 1-2 players vanish or stale, its pretty unusual IMHO to have 1/3 including nations that seem to be doing well. Then throw in the fact the point of this game, which I didn't organize, was to tell a story, not necessarily win. Its pretty sad. When I said I'd admin, I figured I'd change the hosting interval every now and then, not have to be sending PMs to prod players to play or trying to finding subs every other week.

Anyway, my rant is over. I am stuck in this game and now that I have vented I will see if I can find someone to turn TC AI, and sub for Mari.

[llamabeast]

That is pretty unfortunate. The admin should not have to find subs, people should do that themselves. I find it quite rude when they don't. Unless it's KO of course, sinec he's no doubt working on a new game for us! :)

[DonCorazon]

TC is now controlled by the artificial intelligence co-designed by its player so the transition should be seamless :)

[Wrana]

Still a pity. It was a good story he started. And I hoped to not need to attack TC right now... Maybe at least some sub could be found? ;)

[DonCorazon]

Could be found by who? Feel free to look yourself. I am trying to find one for Mari who at only 4 stales is probably salvageable. 11 stales is too tough a sell for me.

[cleveland]

But soft, what light through yonder window breaks?
It is the east, and Juliet is the sun.
Arise, fair sun, and kill the envious moon,
Who is already sick and pale with grief
That thou, her maid, art far more fair than she.

-----

Yes I did write that, an original work. I've been operating several computers for quite some time, and though I've produced countless pages of nonsense, I definitely wrote that paragraph all on my own.

Greetings! New Marignon here. I understand this is a game where Muses roam the map, and I'm wondering what exactly my motivation is supposed to be. Have I been a cruel nation? whipping heretics and so forth? Benevolent? whipping only those heretics who are imprisoned beyond the protections of my nations legal system? Please, give me some guidance!

In the mean time, I shall play the role of Nation in Turmoil - in fact, it seems a military coup has just overthrown the military coup that just overthrew the outgoing government, seizing power with popular support ("Viva La Inquisition!"). Scared but crazed with power, I know I must act quickly to mobilize the proletariat against some imagined foe before they get wise to my incompetence...

----------

Act 2, Scene 4
Quiet Meadow, sounds of monks chanting in the distance

Military Strongman Turned Leader: "Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look..."
Cassius: "Yoink!"
Military Strongman Turned Fatally Wounded Leader: "Naive! But you're too late! My attack orders have already been issued against..." *dies*
Brutus: "Yoink!"
Cassius: "Et tu, Brute?" *dies*
Undead Caesar: "Yoink!" [aside] "I'm pretty sure I could keep this up for quite some time, with each line becoming more intolerable than the last, so you'd better tell me what I'm supposed to be, tuit de suite."

[DonCorazon]

Welcome Cleveland! Chronicle players, through great personal sacrifices, your beloved admin has managed to recruit one of the most humorous and talented writers of the Dom community. Author of the great Lord of the Dai's here (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=682247&postcount=8) among other works of art. If anyone can spark life back into the Chronicles part of this game, its Cleveland (no pressure Cleve). Please PM him if you have any treaties etc.

[sansanjuan]

But soft, what light through yonder window breaks?
It is the east, and Juliet is the sun.
Arise, fair sun, and kill the envious moon,
Who is already sick and pale with grief
That thou, her maid, art far more fair than she.

-----

Yes I did write that, an original work. I've been operating several computers for quite some time, and though I've produced countless pages of nonsense, I definitely wrote that paragraph all on my own.

Greetings! New Marignon here. I understand this is a game where Muses roam the map, and I'm wondering what exactly my motivation is supposed to be. Have I been a cruel nation? whipping heretics and so forth? Benevolent? whipping only those heretics who are imprisoned beyond the protections of my nations legal system? Please, give me some guidance!

In the mean time, I shall play the role of Nation in Turmoil - in fact, it seems a military coup has just overthrown the military coup that just overthrew the outgoing government, seizing power with popular support ("Viva La Inquisition!"). Scared but crazed with power, I know I must act quickly to mobilize the proletariat against some imagined foe before they get wise to my incompetence...

----------

Act 2, Scene 4
Quiet Meadow, sounds of monks chanting in the distance

Military Strongman Turned Leader: "Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look..."
Cassius: "Yoink!"
Military Strongman Turned Fatally Wounded Leader: "Naive! But you're too late! My attack orders have already been issued against..." *dies*
Brutus: "Yoink!"
Cassius: "Et tu, Brute?" *dies*
Undead Caesar: "Yoink!" [aside] "I'm pretty sure I could keep this up for quite some time, with each line becoming more intolerable than the last, so you'd better tell me what I'm supposed to be, tuit de suite."

Awesome! Beware all. Big "C" Rocks!
-SSJ

[calmon]

Hi Don,

please extend the hosting for 4 hours.

Thanks!

[Executor]

I think this game has lost all its meaning.
It was about writing chronicles as you play along but more than half the players stopped, lost interest I guess.
This game became just another slow pace game with not a whole lot going on, constant delays, people staling, dropping out...

[DonCorazon]

I stopped writing since most others were not writing and it was like giving away free intel to players who seemed to treat it like a regular game. It's surprising how people were excited to sign up but flaked almost immediately on the Chronicles part.

[Executor]

Yeah, I was thinking at giving up the whole thing at one moment, this game is rather boring and unbalanced, but how often do you have a chance to play a mod nation.

[cleveland]

Sitting in your Golden Throne, atop your High Citadel, in your Forbidden City, you yawn drearily as the hours pass.

You glance around...in the far corner sits your War Minister, who has his finger (or is it fingers?) buried deep inside his ear, scratching at something which - by the contortions of his face - seems to be the facial control center of his brain...a bit nearer, your Royal Guards stand at, er, slouch at attention, and you note with silent surprise that only 2 of the 4 are actively drooling on themselves...to your immediate left, the High Concubine is slumped over an empty jug of fermented *snif, snif* is that garlic? toenails, possibly? Whatever it was, at least she'll be out for a while...

How DID I end up here? you wonder to yourself. I'm supposed to be a ****ING PRETENDER TO THE CROWN OF CIVILIZATION! What have I done to deserve this nation of filthy half-wits!?!

High on your daily bump of self-pity, you intentionally fail to acknowledge the entry of your Espionage Chief as he hurriedly scurries across chamber with a thin, weasily looking bafoon in tow.

"Beg'ur pard'on, Lo-rd?" Imbicle. "Ahem, beg'ur pard'on, Lo-rd?"

Rolling your eyes, you sigh long and painfully, finally settling your gaze on him. Sweet mercy, he's ugly! Does he even have any teeth? "Beg'ur pard'on?" Nope, just the one.

Without saying a word, you make a slight gesture indicating that you'll hear what he has to say.

"Si-ar! Tis 'oung scout ha' jus' retur'd from b'hind en'my lines!" You watch the fine mist of spittle he just ejected dance playfully in the sunlight. "E ha' NEWS! 'rom the n'tion a MARIGNON!"

Marignon! Your brow perks up. Oh! If I could only lead Marignon... The familar fantasy scrolls in front of your eyes... Thier men, all so brave! So handsome! Such great conversationalists! And their women...the vision is abruptly dissolved by an unconscious garlic-toenail belch.

Sure enough, the scout does indeed have news from within the Great Nation of Marignon, which had fallen silent in recent months, and was feared (by you, mainly) to be lost forever. But as it turns out, the entire nation collectively decided to take an extended, 3-month holiday, out of fairness to all the other nations. Those sportsmen! But the holiday is now over, and the Marignon government is back up and running, albeit with a super tan.

As the blubbering mess wraps up his story, you find yourself already dreaming up ways to welcome Marignon back. Gold? Gems? A Ring of Sorcery or really any other booster though we're pretty good on Astral and Fire at the moment but would certainly appreciate a Moonvine Bracelet? So many options!

Your gathered minions wince as you rise swiftly from your throne - the Concubine and Guards being exceptions - and stride quickly to your private quarters where you nervously scribble on a parchment:

My Dearest Marignon,

Who says this game is boring? That it can't be revived?...

You agonize over it for hours, though you know you'll never send it...

[rdonj]

I stopped writing since most others were not writing and it was like giving away free intel to players who seemed to treat it like a regular game. It's surprising how people were excited to sign up but flaked almost immediately on the Chronicles part.

This is why I didn't sign up to join one of the games in the first place. It's a great idea on paper, but it's so easy to not do the actual work and produce something. And once you start losing it can be very easy to get discouraged and stop writing altogether. I would have really liked to see it work out, but I think you'd need a particularly dedicated group of writers to make it.

[DonCorazon]

The criteria for winning should have been the best writing as judged by an independent panel. That might have motivated some people or made the self-selection process more appropriate.

[rdonj]

Yeah, that probably would have been the way to go.

[cleveland]

I can't make the current deadline. Any objection to a four hour delay?

Sorry

C

[DonCorazon]

No worries. 4 hrs added.

[Tifone]

I'm on holidays and I promise writing on my chronicles. I might, however, need a temporary sub, as maybe you've heard of the earthquake here in Italy and I am trying to go and give help to the struck area as volunteer. I don't think I'll manage to do it as actually only medics, firefighters, civilian protection squads and the army can get there, but if I'll be able to go there I'll let you know. Thanks for your patience :)

[DonCorazon]

Tifone, of course whatever you need. Living in San Francisco, we are especially aware and concerned about earthquakes, as it is only a matter of time before we get hit again. In the words of an old punk band - "we'll sink with California, when it falls into the sea". Hopefully not for a while though. :)

Good luck with your efforts and let us know if you need a sub or extension.

[Wrana]

Good luck in any case! And cheers for you!

[DonCorazon]

I need an 8 hour extension. Looks like a lot of turns are still out too so I guess nobody minds.

[Executor]

FINALLY that damn Ice devil is dead, ALMOST managed to escape death for the, what? 3,4,5 time???
Oh and one more thing, isn't fire resistant 50 supposed to be NOT fire resistant 100??? It strikes me kinda odd how NOT A SINGLE AOE fire attack, nor fire spell did even 1 damage.

Now I see Jotunheim has finally turned AI, well I just want to congratulate Solmyr for making my turns as unpleasant as possible to see, it's been a while since someone tortured me like this.

[DonCorazon]

AI TC is a frikken pain in the arse as well. The AI just happens to know exactly where to cast Call of the Winds.

[Wrana]

Maybe he had scouts in place from the time he wasn't AI? ;)

[cleveland]

Dramatic Music

Taxman: (authoritatively) Halt! Halt in the name of the Accounting Gods!

Hero: (meakly) Oh...er...hi! Is it that time of year again? Right! Great! What do you need from me? What do I owe you?

Taxman: (furiously) Blasphemous fool! A High Cardinal of the Tax Code doesn't tell a worthless, pathetic, taxpaying citizen like yourself what YOU owe! That would be like...like...

Hero: (cautiously) ...like every other bill I've ever paid my entire life?

Taxman: (victoriously) EXACTLY! What do you think this is, the Telephone Company?!?

Hero: (under-his-breath-ly) At least those ****ers eventually answer when I call.

Taxman: (even more furiously) WHAT DID YOU SAY?!?

Hero: (straight-face-ed-ly) ...Who, me?...What?...What did I say?

Taxman: (confuse-ed-ly) ...er...Nevermind! Now, PAY UP!

Hero: (perspiring-ly) OK, let's see...add line 34 to line 13...subtract the square root from line 63b of Form 432-042c...divide by the gross domestic product of the south asian country that shares the most letters with your last name...

Taxman: (impatiently) Hurry up!

Hero: (impatiently) Almost there! Alright, carry the 2, drop the remainder...and done! Who do I make the check out to?

Taxman: (patiently) A...I...G. In the memo field, write, "Bonus for trying REALLY hard."

Hero: (exhausted-ly) Will do. Alright, who's next?

State Taxman: (anxiously) Me first!

Regional Taxman: (no, I'm not making this up) No, me!

City Taxman: (still not making this up) But I'm the most unjustified!

Hero: (stales 3X)

[sansanjuan]

Dramatic Music

Taxman: (authoritatively) Halt! Halt in the name of the Accounting Gods!

Hero: (meakly) Oh...er...hi! Is it that time of year again? Right! Great! What do you need from me? What do I owe you?

Taxman: (furiously) Blasphemous fool! A High Cardinal of the Tax Code doesn't tell a worthless, pathetic, taxpaying citizen like yourself what YOU owe! That would be like...like...

Hero: (cautiously) ...like every other bill I've ever paid my entire life?

Taxman: (victoriously) EXACTLY! What do you think this is, the Telephone Company?!?

Hero: (under-his-breath-ly) At least those ****ers eventually answer when I call.

Taxman: (even more furiously) WHAT DID YOU SAY?!?

Hero: (straight-face-ed-ly) ...Who, me?...What?...What did I say?

Taxman: (confuse-ed-ly) ...er...Nevermind! Now, PAY UP!

Hero: (perspiring-ly) OK, let's see...add line 34 to line 13...subtract the square root from line 63b of Form 432-042c...divide by the gross domestic product of the south asian country that shares the most letters with your last name...

Taxman: (impatiently) Hurry up!

Hero: (impatiently) Almost there! Alright, carry the 2, drop the remainder...and done! Who do I make the check out to?

Taxman: (patiently) A...I...G. In the memo field, write, "Bonus for trying REALLY hard."

Hero: (exhausted-ly) Will do. Alright, who's next?

State Taxman: (anxiously) Me first!

Regional Taxman: (no, I'm not making this up) No, me!

City Taxman: (still not making this up) But I'm the most unjustified!

Hero: (stales 3X)


C,
Very good stuff. :D
-SSJ

[cleveland]

:D

Unfortunately, while I was doing battle with Uncle Sam, Uncle Ermor has made short work of the Marignese Rear Guard, engulfing the Great Northern Territories like an undead amoeba (see Fig. 1)

8092
Fig. 1: Ermor v Marignon

[calmon]

Binophe, Marignon (short before falling):

http://www.worldofaram.com/images/GCSiege.jpg

Picture by Drakk
Ermorian Draconian War Reporter

[Executor]

deja vu,
I know I've seen this somewhere.

[Executor]

Does anyone else think we should update the list of players???
It took me ages to find the original list on page 20 and yet half those nations or players aren't even in this game, so I'm not sure who's actually playing in this game.

[DonCorazon]

So just to make sure I have the story straight, I press-ganged Cleveland to sub for Mari, he declared war on Ermor, then staled 3x while Ermor mopped the floor with Mari's brains? Yikes. Meanwhile Man is back to staling I see, 2 more in a row for a total of 7 (~20% of the turns this game)....

I'd like to make an offer to end the game – the snails' pace at 72 hours, the parade of stales/going AI has removed any semblance of a real game, the fact the original intent of the game has been abandoned, etc. I'd propose someone either looks at the turn files and declares a winner or we just walk away.

That said, if you all want to keep this thing going, then we may need a sub for Man or let his neighbors devour him.

@ Executor: i can't modify the first post. We could make a new one if people want to keep this thing going.

[sansanjuan]

So just to make sure I have the story straight, I press-ganged Cleveland to sub for Mari, he declared war on Ermor, then staled 3x while Ermor mopped the floor with Mari's brains? Yikes. Meanwhile Man is back to staling I see, 2 more in a row for a total of 7 (~20% of the turns this game)....

I'd like to make an offer to end the game – the snails' pace at 72 hours, the parade of stales/going AI has removed any semblance of a real game, the fact the original intent of the game has been abandoned, etc. I'd propose someone either looks at the turn files and declares a winner or we just walk away.

That said, if you all want to keep this thing going, then we may need a sub for Man or let his neighbors devour him.

@ Executor: i can't modify the first post. We could make a new one if people want to keep this thing going.

DC,

Alas... I'll sadly have to second that emotion... So far between turns I forget what I am doing... I have enjoyed the game nonetheless. If we do end it I will make a final Caelum summary in the wiki. I'd be interested to read other's motives and strategies as the game unfolded and would be happy to share turn files with anyone interested. Awaiting other votes...

-ssj

[calmon]

Lets play.

[DonCorazon]

Anyone else besides Calmon want to continue? maybe we can all go AI and he can play with himself :)

[quantum_mechani]

Just want to say, my last two stales were not because I had forgotten about the game. First one, for some reason I didn't get my usual llamserver warning about the turn being due, the second one I somehow sent the wrong .2h

Given that frustration, I'm particularly keen on calling the game off. ;)

[Executor]

I'm game, fight on.

[DonCorazon]

Here's the prob I have:

Even winning this game would not be satisfactory and will take months at our pace. The landscape has been totally messed up by stales. For example, my strategic thinking was that Marignon would be a good counter to Ermor, but they just evaporated with stales/player transition totally changing the landscape. The same might be said about Atlantis (under its old player) vs. me (although we were allies), or TC, or Man, or Hoburg.... Even if R'lyeh won this, I wouldn't even want to count it. So why play on in a game where most players would rather quit and a quarter of the original ones have just vanished? Not to mention, the story telling purpose of the game has disintegrated and that was why I joined.

Remember this -
I would like to join this game.
I prefer a "normal" game with VPs and a lot of writing/AARs...
If people don't want to write they don't need to join the game. There are enough others... :)

So far its 4-2 against continuing.
Caelum
Marignon (PMed me)
Rlyeh
Man

Any others have an opinion? If the remaining players strongly want to continue, maybe we can find some more subs...

[Jarkko]

Atlantis here. To be honest, the game is not that interesting for me :( I'll keep on playing and doing my best, but there is actually very little I feel I could do with just WEA magic available (and since a few turns back Death too), very hard pressed by hostile dominions spreading under the waves, and there is only so little I can RP to the wiki (Turn 33: This turn we did raise some taxes and built a temple. Turn 34: This turn we did raise some taxes and built a temple. Turn 35: This turn we did raise some taxes and built a temple...). Ok, I have (I think) recruited and summoned a nice army (compared to what I had when I joined the game) for such a small nation that Atlantis is atm, but I am so far behind in research (I think) that the end-game doesn't look promising.

So, I'll continue if the majority decides to continue, but I wouldn't actually cry a river if the game ended...

[calmon]

Everyone sees that most of us lost interests in writing. Your discussion several turns ago where you stated that you stop writing may worsen the problem (at least it did for me). And you're right by sure my words at the start was by far more ambitious than i end with. I know it!

However whats the sence of starting a discussion for ending the game? There are still players which have some fun and for me its my only running game in dominions. If you don't want to continue the easiest way is to find a sub.

I can take over the game admin if you want.

[Executor]

I with Calmon, I think I have a solid position, would be better if I had some neighbors turn AI or my enemies wouldn't fight till the last man standing but hey, I'm used to s**t happening only to me.
Being a mod nation, and a damn interesting one I'm still up for this game.

[Wrana]

I have to second Jarkko's opinion right now. I have a relatively solid position so it wouldn't do justice to the nation if I quit. At the same time , much of the interest was lost for me when KO'd dropped out. I had plenty of plans for intrigues at TC court... :( Plus other stales. I just don't know whether it's still worth it.

[Executor]

So it looks like only Calmon and me want to continue this game?

[DonCorazon]

This is probably one of the best positions I am in and R'lyeh is definitely a contender. I just can't see a win even feeling rewarding given the all the drop-outs.

[Executor]

Yes the drop-outs do give a considerable advantage to some players, and while I do have a good position I won't be the one trying to force anyone to continue the game. If EVERYONE wants to quit this then I say we do, if you wanna keep playing, even better, what ever you guys decide.

[cleveland]

And now, the syllogistic method of reasoning.

A) This game's purpose was to inspire creation of original entertaining/engrossing stories.

B) Victory - in any game - is fulfillment of the game's purpose.

Given (A) and (B), clearly:

C) Calmon & Executor must write for our amusement.

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I propose a Final Judgement wherein the Lesser Races decide who the True Pantokrator will really Be based primarily on who paid the most attention to his Creative Writing Teacher.

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3 turns...2 pretenders...each submitting 1 final, glorious AAR. The rest of us vote on who has the silveriest of tongues. Any disagreements?

[DonCorazon]

Everyone sees that most of us lost interests in writing. Your discussion several turns ago where you stated that you stop writing may worsen the problem (at least it did for me). And you're right by sure my words at the start was by far more ambitious than i end with. I know it!

However whats the sence of starting a discussion for ending the game? There are still players which have some fun and for me its my only running game in dominions. If you don't want to continue the easiest way is to find a sub.

I can take over the game admin if you want.

I worsened the problem?! - come on, get real calmon - thats 3rd grade psychology. you clearly weren't writing anything before i said anything...

even though this wasn't my game concept, I stepped in and tried to keep it alive. i looked for every sub: hoburg, atlantis, marignon...not a single player posted a message to try and get one themselves. ko just stopped playing, and the players here didn't want to get him a sub the time i mentioned it until he got to the point he staled so many times it was hopeless. (although he clearly has diplomatic immunity from any wrath given his overall contributions to the world :) )

what i find annoying is chronicles devolved into a game where some people like yourself were playing it as a hardcore competitive game, while others were happily writing of their exploits, disclosing intel, and other were just abandoning it, etc. not a great mix for a fun game.

anyway, i've pm'ed you the password. you can be admin and figure out what to do. if you can keep the game going (and fun), i'll keep playing. good luck.

[Wrana]

KO had diplomatic immunity from me because I'd linked my initial story to his one (my Pretender had historical claim to the Tien Chi throne when he was alive). A pity it wasn't to be. And sorry if I actually stopped Tien Chi from actively participating when KO dropped out... :( Still, when it occured first, he found a sub - so I hoped that he will find someone again.
And I think that cleveland drove straight to the heart of matter. I even may try to write something myself... ;)