lochness; LA - running

[Omnirizon]

I giant monster from the paleolithic area appears in front of you! hey looks down at you with his big red eyes. you yell up at him "what do ya want from us monsta?" The monster bends down and he says "I need 'bout tree-fiddy." "tree-fiddy?" you aks. "tree-fiddy" he replies calmly.

and because you're a sucker, you gave him tree-fiddy. now you don't have any points left to design your pretender with.

all pretenders must have at least tree-fiddy points left after design. you can use all means to get extra points, but you must have the original tree-fiddy still left.

loch-ness monster (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8iHPC-dGKY)

let's get started before the loch ness monster comes back to ask for more.



Game: Lochness
Map: -under consideration-
Era: Late Age
Players: 8-12
Indies: 5
Special Sites: 75
Money/Resource/Supply: 125
Score Graphs: On
Research: Difficult
Victory: Standard
Mods: CBM

Money/Resource/Supply is also under consideration. Most likely it will be higher than normal, right now I've got it set at 125. I'm open to input/advice/reasoning.

Also under consideration is if Ermor/R'yleh should be banned. It seems to me that their mass freespawn would actually be even more advantageous with such limited scales and pretender; so right now I'm thinking they are out.

Hosting: Llamaserver. 24 hours for first 20; 48 hours until people want 72. All delay requests will be honored, but you must PM or post the admin. Two stales in a row and AI.

I'll be C'tis


Omni..........C'tis
Dark Kitty....Mictlan
Phalent.......TC
vfb...........Ulm
slayers_ai....Patala
nozshand......Pan
Vanslime......Man
Iwarmonger....Bogarus
qio...........Pythium
Asophos.......Marignon


CBM is linked below

CBM (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=39679&highlight=conceptual+balance)

Wraith Bunny (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=35543)

[vfb]

How 'bout two-fiddy?

[Omnirizon]

Ah now so its only two-fiddy. What is there a sale on lochness munchies 'a sumthin?

[DonCorazon]

Interesting concept (and hilarious video) but I always curse Ilwinter for not giving me enough points as it is. Or their diabolic algorithm that always leaves me with -1 point.

[llamabeast]

:) That intro is hilarious.

[Dark Kitty]

:D I'm in (if this game is open to newbies :) as Mitclan please)

[Phalent]

Very cool concept :)

I'll take T'ien Ch'i please

[Apsophos]

How do you check how many points are left ?

I'd like to play anyway...
Marignon, for a change.

[lch]

How do you check how many points are left ?
They're being displayed during pretender creation all the time. Or at least on all the screens where you can spend points.

[Apsophos]

I mean how do you check that OTHER players kept their tree-fiddy?

[vfb]

I don't need no sale, I got tree fiddy.

Ulm, please.

[Omnirizon]

I mean how do you check that OTHER players kept their tree-fiddy?

We can either use the honor system, or have some review system. Something could be setup up so that each player's pretender file is reveiwed by another random player from within the game.

Start a game. note scale choices (by using starting scales in home province). if the pretender is asleep advance until it wakes up. note awakening choice. note magic choice. note pretender type. go to game tools, remake that pretender and make sure it has at least 350 left.

[vfb]

Darn, I thought for some reason catgod displayed unused points. But it does display all the attributes. If you can find a volunteer not in the game to check the .2h files, maybe llamabeast could mail the turn 0 set of .2h files to him and he could check?

catgod is probably a lot easier and more accurate than looking at the home provinces.

[Omnirizon]

Darn, I thought for some reason catgod displayed unused points. But it does display all the attributes. If you can find a volunteer not in the game to check the .2h files, maybe llamabeast could mail the turn 0 set of .2h files to him and he could check?

catgod is probably a lot easier and more accurate than looking at the home provinces.

I hadn't thought of catgod. OK. that sounds good.

[Kuritza]

Just how much is tree-fiddy in human language? :)

[nozshand]

Just how much is tree-fiddy in human language? :)

i'd like to know that too

[vfb]

350

[slayers_ai]

patala please...:)

[Gregstrom]

Ah, you've fallen into a common trap there vfb.

Fiddy comes from an ancient Sanskrit word originally meaning 'scent' or 'perfume'. Tree-fiddy is of course a fiddy that comes from trees - in the ancient middle east this would normally have referred to frankincense (a valuable and strongly scented tree resin), and thus we can see that Omnirizon is making a reference to the forthcoming Christmastide.

In juxtaposing the approaching festive season with the image of the Loch Ness monster, the introductory text is actually a subtle yet hilarious satire on the increasing commercialisation of Christmas.

I have no idea what the game rules are, though.


:laugh:

[nozshand]

la pan would be fun to play i guess

[nozshand]

second thought, i'd like to LA TC

[Tifone]

I can make the external-check of the pretenders if you need help :) (got catgod and the CBM so it would just take the time to remake and control them) That would just take mr. llama to send the god files to me ;)

[Omnirizon]

second thought, i'd like to LA TC

I think someone else is already grabbed TC. Is Pan still OK? or would you like another?

[Vanslime]

...Allright, I'll bite.

I'll take Man.

[lwarmonger]

You know, I think I'd like to try Bogarus. Not a nation I've played with much before, but it always seemed to me that they had very interesting possibilities.

[PsiSoldier]

I might join this game. Anyways I'm thinking about trying out Jomon even though everyone thinks they suck. Ive gotta run a test in Single player with the build first to see how I think it will work out though

[qio]

I'll take Pythium.

[PsiSoldier]

Eh sorry, this one is not going to work for me. I need more points for my strategy to work. Interesting concept though.

[lwarmonger]

Yeah, Jomon really needs an excellent dominion to have any chance at success, and with so many design points required you just aren't going to have that.

[vfb]

Well, we've got 9 ... anyone want to run with that? That way we've got a pretty good chance of kicking it off before Xmas.

[Apsophos]

I'd like to play anyway...
Marignon, for a change.
Looks like you missed it :(

[Omnirizon]

I'd like to play anyway...
Marignon, for a change.
Looks like you missed it :(

oh sorry

[Omnirizon]

if everyone else is alright with 10 people, we'll get this ball rolling soon. I'll try and start it tommorrow. also, need to find a suitable map. suggestions are welcome.

[vfb]

Wraith Bunny maybe?

[Celticid]

I would like to join, if not late :re:

I will take my faction in some hours :cool:

[Celticid]

I would like to join, if not late :re:

I will take my faction in some hours :cool:

Nevermind.

I forget i must travel from 22 to 26 this month.

good luck ;)

[Omnirizon]

the games up. we're using wraith bunny map.

I'll get w/ Tifone and work out a way for him to review. I'll post back as soon as I have.

We may delay the game, or have rather long hosting periods, until the holidays are over.

[Tifone]

I happen to trust the community very much, and don't personally think the review is necessary :D Anyway, I'll be glad to do that. I suggest you to ask llamabeast to send me the pretenders' files. I sent you my mail address by PM ;)

[qio]

Is it three-fiddy or two-fiddy then?

[vfb]

350, aka Tree Fiddy

[Omnirizon]

well i don't want to be an imposition on tifone, and have no problem simply trusting everybody.

so if everyone's feeling ok with it, we could just go honor system.

PS, i've added the map to OP, in case people don't have it. also, i'll my pretender in here very soon.

[Tifone]

No imposition for me, lol, it would take me 5 minutes :)

Anyway you decide, if you're happy with just honour system, even better. Keep in mind I'm at your disposal, so eventually just... let me know ;)

[vfb]

I don't think anyone would try to cheat intentionally. But it might be better to check me now than discover on turn 20 that I emailed the wrong pretender, and I'm not Tree Fiddy at all. :shock:

[Omnirizon]

have we lost a player? I don't see nozshand.

[Omnirizon]

i think nozshand has unceremoniously dropped from the game. I'm going to go ahead and start it without him unless he can get in contact soon. Still waiting on llamabeast to get back with me about forwarding pretenders to Tifone for review. once this is done, we'll be up and running.

for winter break, I will have the intervals on something like 3 days, but quickhost on of course. i don't want anyone to feel pulled from the merry-making.

[nozshand]

i will be uploading my pretender ASAP

[Omnirizon]

OK thank you :)

I didn't know if you dropped or not. I'd seen you around but you didn't post in the thread or anything, so I assumed you may have left.

[Omnirizon]

OK we're all here. just waiting for llama to confirm that he can forward pretenders to Tifone. We will start immediately, and if Tifone finds anything amiss, we all just gang up on that guy. :D

I don't want to start until I here from llama though because starting might erase the pretender files we sent in.

[Tifone]

CHECK COMPLETED!


Man is tree fiddy :first:
C'tis is tree fiddy :troll:
Marignon is tree fiddy :capt:
Mictlan is tree fiddy :evil:
Pangaea is tree fiddy :banana:
Patala is tree fiddy :tough:
Pythium is tree fiddy :cheers:
Bogarus is tree fiddy :angel
T'ien C'hi is tree fiddy :nana:
Ulm is tree fiddy :viking:


:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:


My job is done! :cop: Guys... have fun!! :D:up:

[Omnirizon]

Wow!

Thanks Tifone.

Game starts now. I'll put it on 72 hour cycle until holidays are over. of course, I hope we move faster than that, but never feel pressured to right now.

[vfb]

Ulm sends its greetings to Tien Chi. Your visit to our lands was most unexpected, especially since you have many independent provinces yet unconquered around your capitol. Please let us know when you will stopping by again, so I can prepare a proper welcome.

[Vanslime]

The Kingdom of Man is proud to present its new motto:

Income

Man 2790

Screw The Rules, We Have Money

[Dark Kitty]

I am moving to another city on tuesday, so I might have to stall one or two turns. If I stall more that, maybe I have a problem getting an internet connection quickly and should be replaced (I hope it won't come to that though :))

[vfb]

Patala has staled 3 turns in a row now, has zero provinces left (just a fort) and looks like they will stale again. Can we please get a volunteer to set them AI?

[Tifone]

I can do that if you need, vfb, I'll send Omni my mail address as soon as you're sure it is needed :)

[Tifone]

Turned Patala AI. Yep it was screwed :o Continue having fun guys ;)

[lwarmonger]

Man has launched an unprovoked and brutal assault on Rus territory! Their evil tax collecting armies have attacked the peaceful people of the Democratic Republic of Bogarus. The ghost of Nevski calls out for the peasants and workers to rise up to defend the motherland!

[Vanslime]

Unprovoked? Your inefficient and haphazard expansionism has caused the death of Sir Bartholomew Paisley, esquire, Lord Administrator of the Tower of Chelms. Do you know how much paperwork we had to go through?

Nor did we receive any apologies or reparations. Now be a good little nation and keep quiet while you get Manhandled.:D

[lwarmonger]

Your armies shall die in our rich and not so peaceful land!

[lwarmonger]

The peasants and workers of Rus have crushed the invading armies of Man. Both English armies were largely destroyed and their commanders killed. Should other nations wish to join in Man's forces will soon be fully committed to the Bogaran front.

[Vanslime]

That wasn't supposed to happen. You were supposed to fall down and die. I'm a genius. Things should go the way I want them to. Its not faaaaaiiiiiir....

...

...

Deep breaths, deep breaths.

We have reserves. Those losses were trivial. Insignificant. Inconsequential. The Magisters of Economics and Royal Census Takers say everything is fine. So everything is fine. I still have my money.

I will drown you in a sea of money.

[vfb]

Ulm is beating a retreat before the vast army Man has hired with his billions and billions of gold reserves. As we retreat we notice that the we see no messengers bearing orders from the Bogarus capitol. We think perhaps they have become leaderless:

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=42133

Although it would be nicer for us if Ulm were able to flee through the lands of Bogarus unmolested, it would probably be fairer if at least the AI was there to molest us as we pass through.

-- The Real Tree Fiddy

[Dark Kitty]

Hello

I have to go back home and drop the games I'm in (I can't take my computer). I'm sorry to warn so late (and after having already stalled one or two turns) but something unexpected came up and I forgot a bit about the games I'm in.

There is no password on my pretender, do as you see fit :) (it is possible that I will be available again in a week or so if no sub has been found yet...)

Have fun,

[Omnirizon]

dark kitty:

could you set yourself to AI? I don't think a sub would be willing to pick up here.

[Omnirizon]

I know Mictlan bailed, and it looks like Bogarus did too. If I don't hear otherwise, I'm having Bogarus set to AI too.

If you decided to leave, and your nation is in an unenviable position, please at least have the common courtesy to set yourself to AI, it isn't like someone's going to want to sub for your about-to-be-seiged-capital-only-one-province-empire :|

[Tifone]

Mictlan set to AI; waiting for your confirmation about Bogarus ;)

[Tifone]

Confirmation received, both your guys are AI now, there's nothing to see here, please continue have fun :)

[Omnirizon]

holy crap!!!

it's been just a real busy weekend for me everyone!!! I'm sorry for staling TWICE!!!

won't happen again.

[vfb]

Uh... it happened again (C'tis staled twice again). But you are not being invaded or anything ... at least the graphs don't show any provinces lost.

So, I hope you can keep playing.

[Omnirizon]

I know :(

new job new girlfriend lots of school work and I just can't keep up. I see "oh, need to do my turn in two hours, I'll do it just as soon as I finish this thing"

then I forget and two hours go by. I never seem to have the time anymore... :(

I am being invaded though. I'd like to keep playing just so Mari doesn't get a free pass to all my lands :p
If I can't stop staling though I'll set myself to AI.

[vfb]

You're not in totally terrible shape from what the graphs are showing, and your renimators appear to have been at work even while you were unable to do your turns. I think Marignon may have been chivalrously refraining from invading you while you staled.

So you might be able to get a sub or something.

[Apsophos]

I didn't notice he was staling, I noticed much less opposition than expected, though. Now I understand why nobody came to break the siege on that bottleneck-blocking castle.

[vfb]

Nozshand, what's going on?

I can understand C'tis going AI. Even though it might have been nice for them to fight it out, they didn't stand much chance against Marignon.

But Pan? Pan has 29 provinces left, and Mother Oak and Gift of Health up.

It just doesn't make sense for them to have gone AI.

[Apsophos]

And Man staled.

[vfb]

Oh, I didn't notice that. Man is not in super-great shape, since he's being invaded by both Pan and Ulm, and also the last army of the Bogarus AI has decided to rampage through Man's lands.

[qio]

You boys decide who is gonna win the game and let me know so that I can try and nuke them. I'll just sit, wait, and empower my mages to cast wish. I was thinking armageddon might be thematic.

I think Pan was AI for a while now - bad memory though. Was wondering why he did that and curious how he kept going up in the graphs. Actually, it would be amusing if the AI won the game. Now there is a plan I could get behind!

[Apsophos]

Oh, so I am to trade you astral boosters so you can nuke the whole game? Can you afford a RoS or RoW as well? Or maybe a const8 astral booster? :p
Wish for Armaggedon while I summon angels, that would be thematic indeed. So much research to do yet...

[vfb]

Absolutely epic battles for the abandoned territories of Bogarus consumed the former territories of Man this month!

Unfortunately for Ulm, our scouts blinked first. :)

[qio]

Oh, so I am to trade you astral boosters so you can nuke the whole game? Can you afford a RoS or RoW as well? Or maybe a const8 astral booster? :p
Wish for Armaggedon while I summon angels, that would be thematic indeed. So much research to do yet...

Even a lizard has to have dreamssssss..

--
Pythium

[Apsophos]

I am a bit surprised not to have been attacked earlier. But these horrors did a good job.
I have very little experience of late game, epecially in such a good position.

[vfb]

Ulm formally offers its apologies for failing to attack you sooner. We have of course become very concerned about Marignon's imminent ascendance.

But there were some other aggressive nations that had to be dealt with first, it's just unfortunate that they did not direct their aggression at you!

-- Ulm

[Apsophos]

it's just unfortunate that they did not direct their aggression at you!

Yeah. ****ing lucky me.
Let me sober up and *then* I will open the turn file and see...

[vfb]

I'd like to PM Llamabeast to see if he can re-run turn 48 with everyone's turn, instead of everyone staling. If Marignon didn't already submit a turn 48 .2h, because of the llamaserver madness, then they should have a chance to send in turn 48 orders.

The problem with just staling is that:

- My blood hunting is likely messed up, because I was unable to adjust for unrest, or take slaves off of full hunters.
- I lost fever fetishes that I gave orders to be moved onto different units.

It's not a rollback that will require anyone to redo their orders. I'm pretty sure llamabeast has a backup of the .2h files, so we don't even need to submit orders.

Does anyone have any objections?

Edit: Since the game is scheduled to host in 48 hours, not 5 days like most of the llamaserver games that crashed, I've PM'ed Omni and asked him to extend the timer by 48 hours.

[Apsophos]

No objection here.

[vfb]

Thanks Apsophos! Very kind of you.

But I see llamaserver is patched to 3.23 now, and also Pythium has submitted a new turn 49.

I'll just accept the stale. Rolling back now that the system has been patched is probably going to cause all kinds of grief.

-- vfb

[vfb]

Oh, hold on ... :)

Llamabeast seems to know about the problems with this game already:

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=680639

So, if he gets it sorted out, great! Otherwise I eat the stale and continue.

[Omnirizon]

hi all,

I'm still admining the game. if anyone else would like to take over, please PM me.

on this note, my password isn't working :(
when llamaserver went down, I pm'd llama about resetting passwords. i've tried using both this new password and (what I thought was) my old password, neither works.

ie: I can't postpone the hosting as asked :(

i've PM'd llama again. hopefully he get's back and resolves the issue quickly enough.

-Omni

[vfb]

Llamabeast has very kindly sorted out the problems with the lochness game, and re-run the crashed turn.

Please make sure you delete any .2h file in your game directory which may exist from viewing/playing turns following the crashed turn. Otherwise your new orders may get screwed up.

[vfb]

I'll volunteer for admin duties, since no-one else has, but my first act will be to change to a 3-day timer.

If anyone has objections, please object, and you can admin instead of me. :)

[Omnirizon]

EDIT: nvm. looks like my PW is working. llama must'v gotten it.

vfb is in charge now. i sent him the PW. good luck all.

-O

[vfb]

I added an additional 8 hours to the timer because it looked like Marignon was going to stale.

There's still no Marignon turn in, with an hour or so left on the timer. So I added another 24 hours.

-- vfb

[vfb]

Still waiting to hear from Marignon. Added another 24 hours.

[qio]

I'm willing to wait till we get some word from him. If he chooses to not continue the game for some reason, I forfeit. Continuing this game with a sub is just too silly, given the amount of people that have gone AI.

[vfb]

Well, Pangaea was the only nation that went AI without a good reason. But I don't mind if you don't want to continue without Apsophos. I still haven't heard back for him, and it's been a week.

Should I post for subs for Pythium and Marignon?

I don't think Pythium has much chance of victory, but Marignon has all the elemental royalty, a good amount of artifacts, and a Seraph.

[qio]

I recall a few people having staled a few times, etc. Not just Pan going AI.

Do as you wish. If the original Marignon continues, I will keep playing.

[vfb]

I see Apsophos was on the forums today, so I sent him a PM asking him if he'd like to continue the game.

[vfb]

I'm tired of waiting around while Apsophos ignores me and does not submit turns or respond to my PMs. Marignon has been unable to stop my Horror raiding or mount any sort of offense against me. I've killed two kitted-out angels (Fury, Harbinger) of his with cheap Mind Hunts, and his Air Queens are just sitting in his castles.

I'm going to declare victory by default for Ulm on turn 50, unless Pythium objects.

Final province count:

Ulm 58
Marignon 36
Pythium 32
AIs the rest

[qio]

gg.