Epic Battles(PBEM) - Game on!

[Denisius]

Settings:
Era: Middle Era
Map: Modified Parganos (A version which has a somewhat fairer spread of terrains than the default, so you don't get one person with all the farmland). This will be a dead seas version, meaning the seas will give no income and contain no magic sites)
Players: 8
Game Settings: All at default, except for renaming, which will be set to on.

The game will be a relatively fast game, with a turns interval of 24 hours.

Note: You are free to pick whatever nation you wish to play, but avoiding 'super' nations such as Niefenheim and Ashdod would be appreciated.


Current list of players:
Denisius - Arcoscephale
NKIcan - Ermor
jmb - Pythium
LordShaggy - Mictlan
zzcat - C'tis
DonCorazon - Pangea
Valerius - Abysia
qio - Caelum

Good luck, everyone.

You can download the map using the following link: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6489&d=1217288470

[NKIcan]

I'll play. give me Ermor if you do not mind

[jmb]

I'd like to join with Pythium please.

[Denisius]

Done.

We need 5 more players.

[Tifone]

(not joining, just hopping to advice you maybe it's better to make clear to the readers if this is gonna be a fast game -24hrs quickhost turns- or a slower one from the beginning -48/72hrs quickhost) :)

[Denisius]

Very well, edited the main post.

[PsiSoldier]

Eh Ive been wanting to try MA Oceana But if you go with the Dead seas version I would not join obviously. PM me if you do decide to change from Dead seas.

[LordShaggy]

I'd like to take Mictlan for a spin.

[Kuritza]

Let's try Eriu!

[Denisius]

We're waiting for 3 more players to sign up.

[DonCorazon]

I'll play Pan

[Kuritza]

Sorry, I'm out. :) Sudden change of plans...

[zzcat]

C'tis please

[Valerius]

Eriu, please.

[Valerius]

Actually, please switch me to Abysia.

[qio]

I'll take Caelum.

[Denisius]

The game has been filled.

Please submit your pretenders.

[zzcat]

I had sent my pretender but llamaserver replied me that the game 'epic' is already full:confused: Furthermore, I can't visit the webpage of llamaserver so I can't see if there is something wrong...Plz ignore me and start the game if it is full. Thanks.

[DonCorazon]

zzcat: Our game is Epic_Battle not Epic :)

[zzcat]

zzcat: Our game is Epic_Battle not Epic :)

Thanks. It's ok now. I used 'epic_battles' instead of 'Epic_Battles' and the server is cap sensitive...

[Denisius]

The game has begun.

Good luck!

[DonCorazon]

Sent my turn in but seems llamaserver is down and turn hasn't been accepted. If possible it might be good to postpone the hosting.

[LordShaggy]

Similar problem. My email to the llama server is not being recognized. Nor did I get a 6 hour reminder, and I think hosting is in about 3.

[Denisius]

The hosting interval is currently set at 3 days, that should be enough to get this bug fixed.

[DonCorazon]

The hosting interval is currently set at 3 days, that should be enough to get this bug fixed.

Those posts referenced a couple days ago - I think everything is working fine now.

[Denisius]

The hosting interval has been set back to 24 hours.

[DonCorazon]

Mictlan has 2 stales so far and may be heading for a 3rd - has anyone heard from him?

[LordShaggy]

Sorry guys. Been city hopping coast to coast, and just spent two days unexpectedly without internet. Things should be settled now.

[NKIcan]

Interesting stuff so far in the game. Making friends, making enemies...fun fun fun.

Couple epic battles so far too. S'been nice :)

[DonCorazon]

Hmm..looks like Caelum is staling now. Two in a row. Caelum you still around?

[Denisius]

Probably not, I've noticed that he was losing a war he was fighting. I'll message him and ask him to at least set his nation as A.I.

[zzcat]

Hmm...It's a fatal mistake underestimating the power of S9 shadow vessels. Please set C'tis to AI, thanks.

BTW, Is there a cost-effective way to counter S9 shadow vessel for C'tis? With 18 MR, high def and twist fate, they're almost impossible to kill with normal troops or banishment. And dust to dust is distracted by undead horsemen and negated by twist fate. Of course wither bone can do the job, but it's hard to achieve for a year 2 battle.

[DonCorazon]

You have to set yourself to AI - its one of the in-game options. I prefer fighting to the end - it can be fun to fight and try new things once you know you are losing anyway (takes the pressure off :) ).

Solar Rays works well iirc.

[zzcat]

You have to set yourself to AI - its one of the in-game options. I prefer fighting to the end - it can be fun to fight and try new things once you know you are losing anyway (takes the pressure off :) ).

Solar Rays works well iirc.

OK. As a nOOb MP player, It's better to play as long as possible to learn mechanics of the game. I'll remain in the game until there is absolutely nothing to do:D

[Denisius]

The hosting interval will be changed to 48 hours on the 25th turn.

[DonCorazon]

ok, Caelum/qjo has staled 4 times in a row. Assume he has just decided to leave the game with no notice - nice. We should get a sub or set Caelum to AI. It's not to fair to just let their neighbors carve them up.

[DonCorazon]

uhm..its 6 straight stales for Caelum and it seems Arcos is taking them over quietly. Even though my nation is doing well I am going to set myself to AI. I dont want to waste my time in a game where a large nation is just left to sit there and be carved up and the admin doesn't even bother to look for a sub, or even set them to AI, especially when it is the admin that is taking them over.

[Denisius]

Caelum did not just leave, once he saw that myself and another nation has ganged up on him and that he had no chance of winning, he simply gave up. He only had about 3 provinces left, and virtually no troops. So you shouldn't quit.

[DonCorazon]

6 turns ago he seemed to have a lot more provinces than 3, from I could see. If he wanted to quit, he should at least have set himself to AI. Having him just sit there and stale every turn is ridiculous. Basically in this game his neighbors have just been handed an undefended nation to divy up.

[Denisius]

I've sent him a private message asking him to set himself as A.I, he did not reply, let alone set himself as A.I.

Although he did have more than 3 provinces, his forces were outnumbered by 3 to one, he knew he was about to lose, and he quit.

[DonCorazon]

Well, the Caelum player still seems to be visiting the boards. It would be considerate to put himself on AI so we don't always have to wait 24 hours. And its poor form to 1) just give up, and 2) not bother to turn yourself AI...grumble, grumble...

At any rate, Pan will play on and we snatched the last Caelum province so at least we weren't totally left out on the free land grab. :)

[Valerius]

LOL. Just how many squads of centaurs do have sneaking around there, DC? I count two so far...

[DonCorazon]

Well, we had a NAP with Arcos. But they just attacked the one province that we took from Caelum last turn. Not sure how they justify that, but we consider it a violation of our NAP.

[Denisius]

Does taking a province in the middle of my territory with stealthy units not justify myself taking it back?

I am willing to negotiate a monetary or gem compensation for the lost troops.

[DonCorazon]

Does taking a province in the middle of my territory with stealthy units not justify myself taking it back?

No. Pan attacked and took a province from Caelum. Location is irrelevant. Arcos then attacked a Pangean controlled province and destroyed Pangean troops despite an agreement not to attack one another without advance warning.

Those are the facts and the only conclusion is our agreement was worthless in protecting 20 innocent centaurs lives.

I am willing to negotiate a monetary or gem compensation for the lost troops.

Pan understands that mistakes happen and appreciate the offer of a settlement, to which we are open. Note: until we come to an agreement, we currently consider that there is no NAP between Pan and Arcos given your attack on sovereign Pangean soil.

[DonCorazon]

PS well fought battle between Ctis and Ermor at Kunal - wasn't sure how that one was going to go until the end!

[Denisius]

You have been contacted in-game.

[zzcat]

C'tis will be set to AI next turn. I've sent my gems to the nations I have NAP with. Good luck everyone!:)

[NKIcan]

Nice fighting with you Zzcat. You put up a valiant defense at the end there

[Denisius]

Hosting interval changed to 48 hours.

[DonCorazon]

The Forges of Pan are open for business - PM me with your orders.

In other news, watch out for Ctissian assassins. They just picked off a 2 star commander with skelly spam!

[jmb]

I'll be leaving for the WE on Friday morning (French time) and I won't be back until late Sunday evening. Would it be possible to delay hosting during that time please?
Thank you.

[jmb]

I'll be leaving for the WE on Friday morning (French time) and I won't be back until late Sunday evening. Would it be possible to delay hosting during that time please?
Thank you.

Well, I'm off. See you on Sunday...

[DonCorazon]

Can we add 24 hours to hosting to accommodate jmb?

Also, anyone have air/fire gems they'd like to trade? We are offering hammers at a specially discounted cost of 14... :)

[Valerius]

Denisius. You need to delay hosting as per jmb's request. He gave plenty of notice requesting the delay.

[Valerius]

Ok, I want a different admin for this game. It was never stated that delays wouldn't be allowed, jmb asked for the delay well in advance, and Denisius was on the boards yesterday (in addition to DC's and my own reminders I PMed him about delaying hosting). I can't think of any excuse for hosting having not been delayed.

[DonCorazon]

Denisius, I am on the boards pretty frequently so usually can catch when players need delays, etc. Why don't I take over as admin as it might help avoid these problems?

[jmb]

Ok, I want a different admin for this game. It was never stated that delays wouldn't be allowed, jmb asked for the delay well in advance, and Denisius was on the boards yesterday (in addition to DC's and my own reminders I PMed him about delaying hosting). I can't think of any excuse for hosting having not been delayed.
I agree. Or at least, he should have posted to say that he wouldn't delay the turn and why.

I would also like to take this occasion for thanking NKIcan for his fair play in not taking advantage of my stale turn. Thank you.

[Denisius]

Sorry, I don't really have the time nowadays to keep playing the game, so I've set myself as A.I.

Corazon, I've P.Med you with the administrative password.

[DonCorazon]

I've added 48 hours to see if we can find a sub.

[DonCorazon]

analytic kernel has kindly offered to take over the helm of MA Arcos. Welcome to our small, brutal world ak! :)

[analytic_kernel]

Thanks, dc. :)

I promise I will try to be more challenging than the AI to any who try to slaughter me. But, no guarantees - this is my first MP game. A bowl of spaghetti might have more order to it than my strat.

If anyone who has a NAP with Arcos would PM me, I would appreciate it.

Thanks. Looking forward to fun times.

[LordShaggy]

Welcome to our nasty little war.

[analytic_kernel]

Thanks, Shaggy.

By "our nasty little war", I assume you mean the game overall and nothing specific between Mictlan and Arcos...? I haven't seen any hostilities from you, but haven't heard anything about a NAP either.

[LordShaggy]

I meant generally.

On another note, I hate to be the weak link here, but I'm out of town doing romantic things till Tuesday. Can we delay hosting?

Also sorry about my stale turn, my apartment blew a fuse (yes, a fuse, not a breaker) a few hours before hosting.

[DonCorazon]

No problem don juan. I assume that means you want to push back hosting 120 hours / eg 5 days from now, or are you turning in a turn tonight and then need the delay?

[analytic_kernel]

On another note, I hate to be the weak link here, but I'm out of town doing romantic things till Tuesday.

I always thought of Mictlan stealing hearts in the literal sense rather than the figurative one. ;) Enjoy your amorous reprieve from Dom3 brutality.

[LordShaggy]

Oh, don't worry. I brought her a bag full of fresh ones. :) Thank you very much for the delay. I am back now.

[LordShaggy]

Hey, I am very sorry to flake out here, but it's pretty clear that my priorities lie elsewhere, as I keep missing turns. I have very much enjoyed this game, but feel like I am letting you all down. What's the procedure for getting a substitute?

[DonCorazon]

Post in the MP forum explaining at a high level the game and your position and request a sub.

[DonCorazon]

I am going to add 48 hours to see if we can find a sub. I may post for the Mictlan Sub myself and add a little more color to see if we can get someone sooner.

[DonCorazon]

No luck so far. Any thoughts? Also, I wouldn't mind slowing hosting down to 72 hours...

[analytic_kernel]

No luck so far. Any thoughts? Also, I wouldn't mind slowing hosting down to 72 hours...

I'm fine with 72 hours.

You could let Mictlan stale while I gobble up its territories.... Just kidding, of course. No, I don't what to say about the situation. I'm content to wait until we find a sub.

The position for which I am subbing isn't strong, but am still finding it to be a good experience. To any fellow noob reading this: I would recommend that you go ahead and give Mictlan a try. You might not win, but it is still fun and you will likely learn some things along the way.

[jmb]

No luck so far. Any thoughts? Also, I wouldn't mind slowing hosting down to 72 hours...

I have no objection to 72 hours. The bad news is: I'm going on vacation next week and I had planned on starting to look for a sub today and going AI if I didn't find one before I leave on Saturday.

[DonCorazon]

Hmm...do we want to call this game? From my point of view it was about to get fun, but since we haven't even found a sub for Mict, it seems we are about to potentially have 2 powers go AI, which radically alters the dynamics of the game. Maybe we should vote or get someone to look at the turn files and pick a winner? Or play on with 2 AIs...ugh...or continue to look for subs?

[jmb]

Well, I'll only be gone for a week, so if we don't find subs and you don't want me to go AI, you could pause the game and I'd come back then.
OTOH, I don't know how long I'll be able to resist to the forces currently arrayed against me...

[DonCorazon]

Excellent news: Shogi has volunteered to step in for Mictlan - everyone give a warm welcome to the newest entrant into our bloody world! We will also move to 72 hours. As for Pyth, lets see how things go - I'd rather not see you go AI and it might make sense to just wait for you to get back since Shogi will need time to look over the turn and get caught up.

Anyway, since we have had some turn over here are the 6 nations and their leaders:

Mictlan:
shogi

Arcos:
analytic_kernel

Pythium:
jmb

Abysia:
Valerius

Ermor:
NKIcan

Pan:
doncorazon

[Valerius]

Welcome to the game Shogi!

I'm also fine with waiting for jmb to return in order to avoid Pythium going AI.

[LordShaggy]

Welcome, Shogi. Thanks for taking my place. I will PM you with my password and a brief history.

[analytic_kernel]

Welcome, Shogi.

I would also be fine with waiting for jmb to return. With 72-hour hosting, we would only be missing about 2 turns....

[DonCorazon]

shogi needs to send me his email address still....

[shogi]

Thanks for the welcomes everyone. Hope to give you all a gg :)

[jmb]

Ok, I got my turn in, but I didn't find a sub. I said to pm DonCorazon if anybody becomes interested, otherwise I'll be back in a week, see you then.

[DonCorazon]

Couple things: Ermor staled - normally not a big deal but he's in the midst of a war for survival. Ermor are you around? I'd hate to see two stales in a row while fighting. Hopefully that wasn't an indication of surrender - we were looking forward to some exciting counterattacks :)

Also, I am not exactly sure when Pyth will be back - I will add time if needed to accomodate his request.

[DonCorazon]

NKican hasn't been on the boards since 2/23 it seems and staled again. Frankly, I don't think it mattered much in their fight with me since I defeated his one big army near me before he vanished. At this point, I think Ermor is in shambles and won't matter whether they are AI, or not, but AI is preferable to letting them just stale. I doubt we can find a sub but open to ideas.

[Valerius]

I also doubt that we'll find a sub - the position is not good. I think we should set Ermor AI. It may not make much difference but at least the AI will launch some attacks, instead of just sitting there.

[DonCorazon]

Did anyone else get a stale? I definitely submitted my turn and even checked llamaserver earlier today and looked like we were just waiting on Mictlan but the turn I just received show's I staled and has none of my orders....arrrgghhh! (especially annoying b/c I had to do that turn twice since my computer crashed...)

edit: oh, maybe it was because of the patch?! My turn was submitted pre-the patch / llama crash.
I don't mind rolling back or playing on - slight preference to rolling back unless the stale affected everyone.

[Valerius]

I staled as well and also submitted my turn before applying the patch. I'm guessing everyone staled - except possibly Mictlan, who may have applied the patch before submitting his turn.

I would like to roll-back and resubmit the turns, saved with the new patch applied.

Edit: I also got an e-mail from the llamaserver that Dominions crashed when the server tried to host the game.

[DonCorazon]

Ok, I am going to rollback. Everyone please patch and resubmit.

[DonCorazon]

Is anyone playing on a Mac? That would have caused the crash given the patch has issues with Macs.

[llamabeast]

Ah, you rolled back! Nice one. Anyway, the crash won't recur. It was caused by a bug in v3.23, but JK's let me have a patched version for the LlamaServer so it won't crash now.

[DonCorazon]

While the game seems to be fine now, the 3.23b patch is available - i just saw the thread and updated. Link to patch is here (http://www.shrapnelgames.com/Illwinter/DOM3/DOM3_page.html)

[DonCorazon]

i need to add a couple hours to the hosting since i forgot to submit my turn and am at work. apologies.

[Valerius]

No problem, thanks for admining. Anyway, I'm just glad that for once I'm not the last one to submit their turn. ;) The game has really been moving quickly recently, which is great.

I also want to salute jmb for fighting for so long against multiple opponents. Well played. :up:

[DonCorazon]

yes, jmb, nice job hanging on - sorry to pounce on you but I think we all know that war between the sweet, furry animals of Pan and the flaming evil blood drinking Abysians is on the horizon..,speaking of which, anyone else notice the heat rising in the world? Aby's dominion seems to be spiking frighteningly fast, along with gem income. :)

[Valerius]

Hah, nice attempt to turn people against their good neighbor Abysia but we're not the ones with the Chalice, Well of Misery and more tarts than I can keep track off. How many are you adding per turn: one, two, more? :)

Abysia calls on the civilized nations of the world to stand together against the menacing hordes of beasts and undead that Pangaea is assembling! Only united will we be able to fend them off.

We would also add that while our gem income has grown recently it's still less than Pan's and for most of the game has been far less.

You may not wish to take sides yet but Abysia asks the nations of the world to observe the war between us and Pan (which we agree is inevitable) and if you see us falter consider that if we fall you will certainly be the next victim...

[analytic_kernel]

Yeah, that's an impressive Tart collection DC has been growing. Arcoscephalian Intelligence recently witnessed an (accidental?) run-in between Mictlan and some of them (along with pimped out Queens of Air) and it wasn't pretty. Also saw them in action in the former territories of Ermor.

However, Arcoscephale chooses to remain neutral in any Abysia-Pangaea conflict that should arise at this time.


Speaking of neutrality, what would be the reaction if I put up Arcane Nexus after Pythium's global is down? I read in other threads that some people consider AN to be an act of war. Considering that two nations (guess which) have significantly higher gem incomes than Arcos, is it really that big of a deal?

[DonCorazon]

Speaking of neutrality, what would be the reaction if I put up Arcane Nexus after Pythium's global is down?

Only one way to find out...

Its true that most players would consider NAPs null and void once something like that goes up. As for Pan, we love our wise neighbors to the north especially if they share their bounty..:)

You may not wish to take sides yet but Abysia asks the nations of the world to observe the war between us and Pan (which we agree is inevitable) and if you see us falter consider that if we fall you will certainly be the next victim...

Pan asks the same, and asks that we appoint an international commission to monitor Abysia's carbon footprint aka the line spiking up in the Dominion graph. If you start seeing black candles popping up in your lands, it could be too late and then no amount of tarts (which btw, I am losing more than I am making of late) will be able to stop the misguided faith in a flaming head that looks like Al Bundy! :)

[Valerius]

Speaking of neutrality, what would be the reaction if I put up Arcane Nexus after Pythium's global is down?

Only one way to find out...

Its true that most players would consider NAPs null and void once something like that goes up. As for Pan, we love our wise neighbors to the north especially if they share their bounty..:)

You may not wish to take sides yet but Abysia asks the nations of the world to observe the war between us and Pan (which we agree is inevitable) and if you see us falter consider that if we fall you will certainly be the next victim...

Pan asks the same, and asks that we appoint an international commission to monitor Abysia's carbon footprint aka the line spiking up in the Dominion graph. If you start seeing black candles popping up in your lands, it could be too late and then no amount of tarts (which btw, I am losing more than I am making of late) will be able to stop the misguided faith in a flaming head that looks like Al Bundy! :)

Having now seen the results of the past turn we can only say that our words have proven correct - after attacking Pythium Pan has now started an attack on Mictlan. Abysia will not stand by while another nation is victimized by Pan - we hereby end our NAP with Pan. We will launch our attacks on turn 67, with the battles taking place on turn 68.

As far as Arcane Nexus, we are shocked at Pan's blatant violation of the "everyone attack the person who casts AN" tradition of the Dominions community. Having said that, if Abysia gets a cut of the Nexus we wouldn't mind so much either. :)

A word about our dominion. We have a small border with Arco so they are not threatened by it. Mictlan has a strong dominion of their own and was in fact stronger than ours most of the game and can withstand our dominion. Our dominion is only intended to strike at one nation: Pan. :evil:

And lastly... Al Bundy! You will burn for this impertinence.

[DonCorazon]

hehe, Pan does not want a war with Mictlan - they attacked us the turn before last while we were peacefully laying siege to a Pythian fort. They slew several innocent tarts, it was brutal. We assumed that meant they were planning on attacking us further...

[Valerius]

Hmm, can't imagine why Mictlan objected to you jumping into the middle of their war. :) Good news that some tarts were killed, though!

[jmb]

yes, jmb, nice job hanging on - sorry to pounce on you but I think we all know that war between the sweet, furry animals of Pan and the flaming evil blood drinking Abysians is on the horizon..,speaking of which, anyone else notice the heat rising in the world? Aby's dominion seems to be spiking frighteningly fast, along with gem income. :)

Thanks for the congrats. They say you learn more from defeat than from victory. I just hope I learned enough to do better in the next game :rolleyes:

Good luck everyone, hope to meet you again in some other game.

[analytic_kernel]

Good luck everyone, hope to meet you again in some other game.

Farewell, jmb. I never got to see your valor demonstrated up close, but you certainly have my respect for seeing a multi-front war through to its bitter conclusion.

[analytic_kernel]

they attacked us the turn before last while we were peacefully laying siege to a Pythian fort.

That's ... that's poetic, DC. ;)

[DonCorazon]

I need to add about 12 hours to the turn - I am on the road. Sorry for any inconvenience.

[DonCorazon]

Oops, I owe Valerius an apology. It seems I jumped the gun on our NAP. I got a bad feeling that I screwed up when I saw Abysia did not attack me this turn, while I launched a pretty massive assault. So I looked back and realized I was supposed to give the orders on turn 67, with the attack taking place on 68. I try to comply with my NAPs and this was a pretty major botch on my part, especially since Valerius has been more than honorable.

I am open to any solutions Valerius - a rollback while painful, is fine with me if others don't mind. Or if you want to play on as is, I can just concede the victory to you. I dont want to win via treachery or have you think it was intentional. I think it was just how you worded the PM so that turn 67 stuck in my head even though you were very clear - I just didn't check until after I saw the turn host.

[analytic_kernel]

I'm okay with a rollback if that's what Valerius wants. Resending the .2h file isn't that big of a deal to me.

[Valerius]

Well, that was a surprising turn! :)

Thanks to both of you for being ok with a rollback. If it is ok with Mictlan as well then I would like to take you up on the offer since the attack was unintentional and I was pretty unprepared. In any case, I wouldn't want you conceding the war DC - that would feel like an empty victory to say the least.

If we do rehost I of course won't change my orders - just resend my turn.

[DonCorazon]

Ok, I am going to presume Mictlan is ok with a rollback and hopefully won't mind just resending his turn. Thanks, and sorry again for the mix-up on my part. Now I will have to be extra-creative on the following turn to come up with some surprises for Abysia! :)

[Valerius]

Thanks! I have resent my turn.

[Valerius]

Well, that was painful. I think I liked your first attack better, DC. ;)

After having such excellent luck with horrors attacking provinces and scouts then taking over my luck changed this turn. In almost every case the scout arrived before the horror. :hurt:

BTW, Burden of Time was a nice touch - boots of youth won't help me against that.

[DonCorazon]

Hehe V, it was mutually painful - I liked your first - "passive resistance" non-attack better than the endless horror spam. The newer players in the game will enjoy that experience should they have the chance to fight you. I remember the first time I got horror spammed I was like - wtf - I just lost my entire kingdom in 1 turn...:(

Anyway gents, I need to ask for a 24 hour extension. Just returned from a week of business travel and its the wife's b-day tomorrow. I almost have my turn done, but need to give it a careful lookover to counter Valerius's insidious plans :)

We may even consider going to 72 hours though I have enjoyed the quick pace in this game. Things will speed up for me after Thursday in any case. Thanks, dc

[Valerius]

I'm glad you extended hosting. I was thinking of asking for a delay as I would have had to rush to complete my turn.

Now if I can only think of something effective to do. The horror spam was almost a complete failure - not only did I not take many provinces but I think you got most of them back the same turn when your troops moved. Time to try Plan B. Hmm, I did have a Plan B, didn't I?

I'm ok with sticking with 48 hours, with delays as needed. My empire is becoming smaller and easier to manage anyway. ;)

[analytic_kernel]

I'd be okay with 72-hour hosting.

[DonCorazon]

the kernel makes his move! be sure to cut Pan in on your newfound wealth. :)

I am happy to keep it at 48 hours and just be liberal with extensions as needed.

[analytic_kernel]

the kernel makes his move! be sure to cut Pan in on your newfound wealth. :)


Sure, DC, Arcoscephale will be happy to cut into you with its newfound wealth.... :p

Our lawyers have researched the burdensome issue created by your recent casting of a murderous global, and discovered an established precedent in intercosmic law[1-8]. Therefore:

For the magical ravages upon our lands and incomes thereof and for the hastened demise of our elderly researchers, we must now consider the NAP between Pangaea and Arcoscepahle to have been rendered null and void by Pangaea's casting of the Burden of Time. Furthermore, the existing state of peace and commerce between our two nations is no longer possible in this environment. We hereby declare immediate war upon the nation of Pangaea.


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[DonCorazon]

We in Pan once held Arcosephalean scholars in high esteem but they have clearly lowered their academic standards. Relying on the ramblings of treacherous rogues to justify their causa belli is a travesty of international justice. Unfortunately, now that our last friend has stabbed us in the back, Pan is now at war with the whole world and has no court to which we can appeal, other than the old fashioned trial by blade!

:dagger: :dagger: :dagger: :dagger: :dagger: :dagger: :dagger:

[analytic_kernel]

Did someone just cast Wrath of the Sea or is that just flooding from all of the crocodile tears shed by Pangaea's propaganda ministry?

[Valerius]

Abysia welcomes the noble nation of Arcoscephale to the fight against Pangean tyranny!

United the nations of the world will surely (well, hopefully) prevail against Pan's army of tartarians.

In other news, the Abysian military command has been ... retired ... due to complete incompetence in the waging of this war.

[DonCorazon]

Our thread slipped to the 2nd page so thought I'd take this opportunity to check in with all my foes. How are those old mages holding up? :)

[Valerius]

What old mages? All my mages are demonbreds. Oh right, I used to have these things called warlocks. Curse you, Pan! :mad:

On the bright side, it does help on upkeep costs, which has become an issue given my rapidly decreasing number of provinces. :)

[analytic_kernel]

You may have noticed that the Arcane Nexus disappeared - thanks to its caster being one of the first Astrologers afflicted by BoT. Least they've managed to take some of your commanders to Hades with them, courtesy of Mind Hunt.

But, why I am telling you this? So that all your two-legged goats can gloat? :confused:

(I'll second Valerius' comment about it helping upkeep. Suiciding droves of my predecessors' chariots into your territories also helps a bit.)

[Valerius]

Abysia is pleased to announce ... well not quite a victory but at least we gave as good as we got. Admittedly, our castle is still under siege but it's better than the other battles in this war have gone for us.

[DonCorazon]

Valerius is too humble - that was quite a stinging blow and a reminder to always check what's inside the fort before you storm. Doh - the one fort I didn't check! It seems Aby has all the royalty of hell, hordes of vamps, Father Illearth, etc hanging out in this one spot. Anyway, hats off to V. The Pangean general in command has been demoted to latrine cleanup for our Minotaur batallion. :)

[analytic_kernel]

Congrats to Valerius and his wedge of Demon Knights for their valiant (and successful) defence of the entrance to the fortification in Summerlands. :clap:

[Valerius]

Ha! Now I've got you just where I want, Pan. FotA has been cast - it's only a matter of time until the anti-Pan alliance is victorious. :up:

[DonCorazon]

Hehe, I don't know about that - i was about to offer you guys a chance to concede! :)

[Valerius]

Well, what do you think allies? It seems (extremely) unlikely that Pan can be defeated. I am ok with conceding but will also continue if Arco and Mictlan would like to try out some tactics before we finish.

[analytic_kernel]

Well, BoT killed off most of my chances to do any fun experiments on DC's empire. I could be using the time saved from this game to focus on my other endgame, where opportunities to do fun experiments abound and I actually have the means to take them. But, I'll stay in as long as Abysia and Mictlan are still in (assuming I'm not eliminated outright).

[DonCorazon]

It might be up to you guys to decide as Mictlan doesn't post much here. From my perspective, I could also go either way. The turns are still fun but they are taking longer and longer.

[Valerius]

Pan has the game wrapped up. Given that, it makes sense for all of us to free up time for our other games. Abysia concedes.

Congratulations, DC! You deserve the victory. I wish I could have given you a better fight but my planning throughout the game was poor (what did my pretender, "Al Bundy", really add to my nation?) and yours was excellent (Chalice, WoM, tarts, and BoT for good measure - also good, balanced forces between troops and SCs). I never saw your pretender so I'm curious if it was an awake rainbow? It seemed like your gem income was strong right from the beginning.

Also, thank you to analytic_kernel and shogi for stepping in to keep the game going and to DC for taking over admin responsibilities. Good game, everyone!

[DonCorazon]

I went with a non-conventional strategy (order/non-gorgon) for Pan after getting frustrated playing a conventional Pan design (turmoil/luck - Gorgon) in another MP game. So my pretender was an awake Enchantress that site searched and was key in getting me early magic diversity and making use of Con 8. I found some key indie sites - High Temple of the Magii for fire/astral and then later in the game found the Ivory Tower for those amazing A/S sorceresses, which just happened to be in the same place where I already had a fort/lab to make use of the Steel Ovens. :) Seriously, my magic site karma in this game was extraordinary, culminating with finding Mt Chaining about 15 turns ago.

I made a big mistake getting in between Mictlan and Pythium - and earning Mictlan's wrath. Fighting 3 on 1 was not easy, especially in terms of trying to decide what to do. I was getting nervous about Aby's strong dominion, blood sacrificing, and vampires but wanted to try and knock out lower research foes first so was throwing most of my weight at Mictlan while working on Undead Mastery and gearing up some Lich's with penetration devices to deal with vamp hordes. I don't recall what my starting Dominion was but it sure felt low in the endgame...

Anyway, I will attach my last turn file if anyone’s interested – I always like seeing them.

Thanks for a fun game, and thanks alot to analytic_kernel and shogi - you guys were great subs - we had a nice pace with no stales in the endgame - amazing! Look forward to playing with you guys again sometime! :)

[analytic_kernel]

Thanks for the fun game, guys. This was my first ever MP game of Dom3, and you made it a good experience. I hope to play with you again sometime.

Congrats on your victory, DC.

[shogi]

Thanks for letting me step in and play a bit. DC - awesome game - I've not had quite that effective of a tart drop on me before - nice job. I definately learned a thing or three. :D
Good luck to everyone in future games!