Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running

[Starshine_Monarch]

Nothing really new or fancy about this game. Seeing as many games are already filled up or running, I thought I'd create a new one, particularly for people coming back from Holiday happenings that want some action, though all are welcome to play.

=====Statistics=====

Settings/Mods - Early Age, Conceptual Balance Mod 1.3 will be used (Mod can be found here (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=39679)). Score graphs will be turned off. This makes it more difficult to bully weaker nations without doing your own intel work. Renaming will also be on. Other settings will remain standard.

Map - Map will be "Asia Twist" which can be found here (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=649938).

Hosting - Hosting will be every 27 hours with Quickhost on to start with. After 20 turns we'll have a vote to change the hosting time to whatever seems fitting.

Size - We now have our full compliment of 10 players.

Diplomacy - Diplomacy is really up to the players. Just note that treachery certainly won't win you any new friends, and if your victim has friends of his own to back him up, you might find yourself in over your head.

=====Players=====

Nations signed up:

- Marverni: Psycho
- Mictlan: Executor
- Tir na n'Og: licker
- Abysia: Dragar
- Ermor: chrispederson

[Redeyes]

I had like to try Fomoria.
This would be my third game (simultaneous with two others even, play nice with the noob!)

[Quell]

I'll take T'ien Ch'i

[Alpine Joe]

I'd like in as Arco

[Executor]

Mictlan for me.

[licker]

I'm happy to reserve a spot, but will have to get back to you with my nation later.

I'm willing to play an underwater if other people take land nations before I get my preference in, though I probably don't prefer to play a water nation as my experience with them is limited.

[Dragar]

Abysia please

[Gokufan1988]

Can you put me in as Lanka? I got this game for Christmas and have a pretty good feel for SP, but I haven't done any MP yet.

[Dark Kitty]

I would like to sign up as Pangea please

[licker]

Well it looks like you are at 9 with no water nations yet...

If you truly want 2 water nations I will take Atlantis, if you decide no water nations is ok I will go for Tir na n'Og.

Let me know!

[Starshine_Monarch]

If the last guy coming in doesn't want a water nation, you should probably pick Tir Na n'Og. If he does, Atlantis would be better so he can't just relax during the early game.

[chrispedersen]

Sign Me up for Ermor!


Nothing really new or fancy about this game. Seeing as many games are already filled up or running, I thought I'd create a new one, particularly for people coming back from Holiday happenings that want some action, though all are welcome to play.

=====Statistics=====

Settings/Mods - Early Age, Conceptual Balance Mod 1.3 will be used (Mod can be found here (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=39679)). Score graphs will be turned off. This makes it more difficult to bully weaker nations without doing your own intel work. Renaming will also be on. Other settings will remain standard.




Map - Map will be PashaDawg's "Asia Twist" which can be downloaded here (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=649938).

Hosting - Hosting will be every 27 hours with Quickhost on to start with. After 20 turns we'll have a vote to change the hosting time to whatever seems fitting.

Size - I'm looking for 10 Players. Inlcuding myself, we need 1 more. I'd prefer at least 2 underwater nations, though I'm good with whatever you guys want to pick.

Diplomacy - Diplomacy is really up to the players. Just note that treachery certainly won't win you any new friends, and if your victim has friends of his own to back him up, you might find yourself in over your head.

=====Players=====

Nations signed up:

- Marverni: Starshine_Monarch
- Fomoria: Redeyes
- T'ien Ch'i: Quell
- Arcoscephale: Alpine Joe
- Mictlan: Executor
- TBA: licker
- Abysia: Dragar
- Lanka: Gokufan1988
- Pangaea: Dark Kitty

[chrispedersen]

if we have no water nations - might want to choose strictly land map, evens it out so EA tc doensnt get any free expansion

[Starshine_Monarch]

Well Fomoria can get underwater as well, even without needing to research anything. In fact, anyone can once they find some Ichtyid, Shambler or Merman provinces. It should be alright to have a few water provinces at least. Granted this many is probably a little much.

Since nobody wants in the water, We'll switch to Primea (here (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=37593)).

And with that, we have our players. Give me a few minutes and I'll create the game. so you can send in your pretenders.

[licker]

Just checked out the map...

Started with only 2 neighbors, and after that 2 provinces with pretty big special defenders.

Bad luck? Or is there something more to this map?

[Starshine_Monarch]

It was maybe just luck. I'll be using a version of the map that has set starting locations.

Alrighty, since I see a few of you are newbies, I'll just review how this all works so we can get playing.

Once you've created and saved your Pretender God using the Game Tools option on the main menu, you go into your Dominions 3 directory. In the directory, there will be a folder called "savedgames" and in that, a folder called "newlords".

Go into the "newlords" folder and look for the file your pretender is in. The filenames follow a patterns. For instance, the first god you saved for Marverni would be named "early_marverni_0.2h" and the second pretender you saved for Early age Ermor would be called "early_ermor_1.2h". Find the god you wish to use and attach that to an email to the following address: pretenders@llamaserver.net
Make sure the subject of the e-mail includes the word "Solar" because that is the name of our game on Llamaserver.

Once we've started, you'll receive your first .trn file from turns@llamaserver.net. Create a folder in your savedgames folder named "Sol" or something like that (I suggest putting a hyphen in front of the name so it will always stay at the top of the list). Once that's done place the .trn file you just downloaded into that folder and open up Dominions. In the "Continue Game" menu there will be the game and you can play your turn.

Once your turn is over and you've clicked "End Turn", go back to the game folder in your savedgames directory. There should be a new file there. That's the .2h file. Reply to the e-mail that sent you the .trn file and attach the .2h file to it to send in your turn. If you wish to amend your turn, just send the file again after you've finished.

[chrispedersen]

game on llama?
Solar?

[Starshine_Monarch]

This is Llamaserver: http://www.llamaserver.net/

Here you will find a list of games that are being hosted there. Our game is called "Solar" (because it said the name Sol was too short). Games are listed in alphabetical order and you will find ours under the "Games waiting for pretenders". You can click on the name to see who has sent their pretender in so far.

Another note: Make sure that Conceptual Balance Mod 1.3 is active when you create your pretender.

[licker]

Solar or xSolx?

[licker]

There are some problems with this map I think in the neighbor assignments...

64 for example is a starting location with no neighbors...

Can some one else check into this so I don't think I'm crazy.

Actually it appears as though 63, 64, and 65 are all basically the same province, but if you start in 64 you cannot move anywhere...

Also a problem with 104 and 105

[Starshine_Monarch]

1st: It is Solar. I messed up when making xSOLx, so I had it deleted. Or I thought I did anyway.

2nd: I won't pretend to know anything about how a map is coded. If you think you can fix it, it would be greatly appreciated. In the meantime I will look for a better map and failing that, create a random map for us.

[licker]

Well I have no idea if those 'double' provinces can be fixed. It doesn't really cause any problems unless you start in one (or otherwise somehow wind up in one).

Of course it can be confusing if you are trying to move to one and keep on clicking in the wrong area.

[chrispedersen]

Hmmm.. I tried twice uploading pretenders - and got error messages both times... one to Solar, one to xSolx.

I just wanted to make sure I wasn't dropped for lack of interest.

If you look on llamaswerver - there are some great maps. How about

Multilayer Map
Yggrasil
Hyperborea

[Starshine_Monarch]

I'm not sure what's wrong then, chris. I mean, we have 3 pretenders there already. All I can say is try it again and make sure you have the name Solar in the subject line and your pretender file is properly attached. Try putting your nation's name in the subject line as well. Failing that, copy and paste the error report you got here so we can see what the problem is.

[Starshine_Monarch]

For the new map, I'm thinking of World of Symmetry (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com//showthread.php?t=37163#Post571022).

[Gokufan1988]

Hmmm.. I tried twice uploading pretenders - and got error messages both times... one to Solar, one to xSolx.

I just wanted to make sure I wasn't dropped for lack of interest.

If you look on llamaswerver - there are some great maps. How about

Multilayer Map
Yggrasil
Hyperborea

Did you have CBM 1.3 enabled when you designed your pretender?

[Redeyes]

For the new map, I'm thinking of World of Symmetry (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com//showthread.php?t=37163#Post571022).That one has the same land to sea ratio as Asia twist, so why not just go with Asia Twist?
Sure, this one's a bit smaller, I quite like that ;)

[Redeyes]

If my easy access to the seas is the main concern, I'll just switch nation. (I believe I'm the only one here who gets native amphibious troops?)

[Starshine_Monarch]

For the new map, I'm thinking of World of Symmetry (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com//showthread.php?t=37163#Post571022).That one has the same land to sea ratio as Asia twist, so why not just go with Asia Twist?
Sure, this one's a bit smaller, I quite like that ;)

Well it's not like my word is set in stone. We can take a vote on the two. Personally, I like the look of Asia Twist more.

And since there are no underwater nations, I don't think getting underwater should be a problem for anybody really. Just find the Ichtyids fast or use Mercenaries even. There are three teams of Mercs that can go underwater.

[Quell]

My vote would be for Asia Twist also

[Alpine Joe]

Lets try Asia Twist, it looks like fun.

[Redeyes]

I really like the look of asia twist, my vote goes for it.
It looks like we are almost ready to go, just one more pretender that needs to be submitted (arco) as of this post.

[Gokufan1988]

Asia Twist looks good to me, it's a very pretty map.

[Redeyes]

Game's on, and good luck everyone

Btb, it seems as if we are on a 48 hour hosting schedule.
Is that intentional?

[Executor]

It should be 48 hours. The first turn I mean.

[Dark Kitty]

I have no problem with the look of Asia Twist but I have a problem downloading it for some reason, Firefox or K-meleon, under windows or linux, nothing works, would someone mind sending me the .zip by email please? (dark.kitty82 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Sorry to be a pain :p

[licker]

It's ~30mb can your mail server handle that?

Also there is a chance that I will be away Sunday and Monday so could we keep a 48h turn limit for a bit? If I'm able to I will play the turns in a timely fashion.

thanks

[Redeyes]

I just got the second turn e-mail, so I reckon everyone has the map now ;)

[Executor]

Hahaha, my commanders took two places in the HOF although they did nothing? Well, I ain't complaining.

I'm assuming those little circles mark starting positions and those stars and dots some special sites? Right?

[Redeyes]

The stars are ports, and link other stars as their neighbors.
Those stuck in the sea are very very close to each other :P

[Executor]

Oh, I see, but what are those triangles then?
I just realised that this is a rather big map, over 20 provinces per player. Should be interesting.

[Starshine_Monarch]

Yellow triangles have low population for the province type and purple triangles have higher population.

And yes, licker, starting Sunday, the next turn will be delayed until Tuesday.

[chrispedersen]

Hahaha, my commanders took two places in the HOF although they did nothing? Well, I ain't complaining.

I'm assuming those little circles mark starting positions and those stars and dots some special sites? Right?

Known bug. Occurs to the first nation in the nation list, usually arco.

[chrispedersen]

Yellow triangles have low population for the province type and purple triangles have higher population.

And yes, licker, starting Sunday, the next turn will be delayed until Tuesday.

Um why? Will this be recurring or onetime?

[Gokufan1988]

Hahaha, my commanders took two places in the HOF although they did nothing? Well, I ain't complaining.

I'm assuming those little circles mark starting positions and those stars and dots some special sites? Right?

Known bug. Occurs to the first nation in the nation list, usually arco.

On a similar note, why has it shown Ermor's pretender as having died several times already?

[licker]

Yellow triangles have low population for the province type and purple triangles have higher population.

And yes, licker, starting Sunday, the next turn will be delayed until Tuesday.

Um why? Will this be recurring or onetime?

Well I asked for an extension over that time period because I had some unexpected travel come up.

Its entirely possible that I will still get in a turn a day, but I can't guarantee it.

[Redeyes]

This turn (4) is going to be host today late saturday but there's still a chance Licker won't make. Are you going to delay/rollback if he doesn't or is it turn 5 that's getting delayed?

Everyone else has turned the turn in now, why I'm checking ;)

[licker]

Not to worry, I'm only in jeopardy of missing time Sunday into Monday.

I will probably be able to get in a turn Sunday morning, but then will not be back until Monday night.

[Starshine_Monarch]

Turn has been delayed 36 hours, licker. Will that be enough for you?

[chrispedersen]

Um, hey starshine.. licker *has* his turn in = ).
We're good for this turn - its next turn that might need to be delayed =)

[licker]

Yeah, well my planned trip got put on hold due to weather delays.

I don't think I'll need a delay at all at this point, but if we are turning out 1+ turn per 24h even with the longer time can we just leave it like that?

I guess when I get the call I'm going to have to go, and while at this point it shouldn't be an overnight job I just don't know.

Anyway, thanks for accommodating me, even if it turns out I didn't need it :)

[chrispedersen]

Yeah, well my planned trip got put on hold due to weather delays.

I don't think I'll need a delay at all at this point, but if we are turning out 1+ turn per 24h even with the longer time can we just leave it like that?

I guess when I get the call I'm going to have to go, and while at this point it shouldn't be an overnight job I just don't know.

Anyway, thanks for accommodating me, even if it turns out I didn't need it :)

Hey, I'd like to say guys of the games I'm playing, this has been my favorite because of the quick turn arounds - so thank you.

[Dragar]

yep, the fast turn speed makes it so much more enjoyable

[chrispedersen]

Hrm.

I have encounted what I'm fairly sure is a very significant bug, which materially affects playability.

I have forwarded a copy to illwinter, and will discuss what to do with the game admin as well.

[licker]

Bummer, hope it gets worked out for you.

[chrispedersen]

Sigh, as expected I got bit by the bug.
Expect an update from Starshine.

But what I expect to happen is to rollback the turn, make as minimal changes as possible, and see if it self resolves.

[chrispedersen]

It is now 8 hours until hosting, and I haven't heard from Star.

Which means I am at risk of staling.

I will stick around for a little bit, in hopes this gets resolved, as was promised. If not best wishes!

[Dragar]

i'm happy to restart this one ;)

[chrispedersen]

Well I haven't seen Star - and I 've had no action. He had said he would reset the turn.

But I haven't seen hide nor hair of him. Since I don't think the turn will count - I'm gifting all my gems and money to one player. And I hope he shows up soon.

[Starshine_Monarch]

I sincerely apologize for not showing up last night, but I was a bit busy. The current turn has been rolled back as of this moment. Quickhost has also been turned off in case we encounter any other problems.

[Redeyes]

What was the bug, anyway?

[Executor]

So we're on turn 10 now. Is everything back to normal, safe to submit turns?

[chrispedersen]

Should *not* submit turns.

According to llamabeast, if you don't submit turns, the same .2h file that was originally submitted will be used - which is what we were going for.

Once the turn 10 processes, everyone should submit for 11 normally

[licker]

Ok, I will 'resubmit' turn 11.

Unfortunately I did gain some minor knowledge from looking at turn 12, but I'll resubmit as close as I can to the same anyway.

I did get minorly screwed on the rollback, but meh, not a big deal to me :)

[Executor]

Due to recent increase of Armageddon usage in many games, at least the ones I'm playing, I was wondering could we have a vote on this? Allowed or not?

[Redeyes]

I don't see why Armageddon would be banned before the other world altering spells such as utterdark, astral corruption or burden of time...
It's as "end-game" as you get, it's very unlikely to disrupt normal play any more than the above globals.

But what I really wanted to say with this post is:
The turn-file I'm getting for turn 13 is corrupt.
A resend didn't fix it.
Perhaps the turn should be rehosted?
Does anyone else have issues opening their file?

[licker]

Try deleting all the files in your game folder (for this game...) and then putting in the .trn file and see if that clears it up.

[Redeyes]

Didn't help, sadly.
Tried a variety of other recourses such as deleting the temporary Internet files folder but nothing has worked yet.

I'll post here, of course, if I find a solution on my own though have tried everything I could immediately think of.

[Alpine Joe]

The treacherous demons of Lanka have stabbed us in the back after signing a NAP. So be it we will cleanse the world of your filth. Let this be a warning to other nations not to trust Lanka in any way.

[chrispedersen]

Didn't help, sadly.
Tried a variety of other recourses such as deleting the temporary Internet files folder but nothing has worked yet.

I'll post here, of course, if I find a solution on my own though have tried everything I could immediately think of.

Hey red,

First, what turn is corrupt,

Is it your outgoing turn 12, your incoming turn - when do you get the error (more specifically).

Did you delete your .2h's as advised in the email on the rollback. This is the biggest cause. Even if *everything* was exactly identical, it is possible for another nation to get the same unit id as you.. hence ... corruption.

If thats not it, the second most common cure, is to delete dominions and reinstall it completely.

If niether of those worked....then we either drop back a turn and punt or send it to illwinter.

pls advise.

[chrispedersen]

Well, being a human race, I am likely to be hosed by armageddon.

However, that being said, I am opposed to changing conditions on people after the start of the game. Perhaps someone was planning on dealing with blood nations by casting armageddon. (And we havea couple of them in our game)..


I don't think we should even vote on it. Asking someone to vote against it is like saying.. yes I plan on casting armageddon. Sorta paints a bulls eye on ya.

[Executor]

Quote:
It's as "end-game" as you get, it's very unlikely to disrupt normal play any more than the above globals.
Don't take this the wrong way but until you've been in a game where 10 armageddons have been cast you can't really claim that.
10 armageddons kill about 95% of the population, EVERYWHERE. While utherdark or something alike only affect the game for as long as they are present.
I'm fine with it, I've made a "in case of Armageddon strategy" but that will pretty much kill the game, trust me.
That comes from someone who is in a game where multiple Armageddons have been cast, along with AN, Illwinter and AC soon.
Now imagine is someone casts Armageddon and after that someone else casts AC. No more income=no troops, AC= gem usage down to a minimum.

[Redeyes]

Is it your outgoing turn 12, your incoming turn - when do you get the error (more specifically).The turnfile for turn 13, which was just sent out from Llamaserver.

The 2h I had in my folder when opening the rolled back turn 11 was for turn 12, unless something is bugged you can't open a 2h. from a different turn with your turn :shock:

My Dominion discs are in another locale, so I couldn't try reinstalling until next weekend...

[Dark Kitty]

I am moving to another city on tuesday, so I might have to stall one or two turns. If I stall more that, maybe I have a problem getting an internet connection quickly and should be replaced (I hope it won't come to that though :))

[Starshine_Monarch]

We can delay the turn for you as long as you need. How long do you expect not to be able to submit?

[Dark Kitty]

In fact it has been "preponed" to tomorrow, monday, and I should have internet the same day if all goes well, so don't mind me, I should at most stall one turn, thank for proposing though :)

[licker]

I've got nothing against a longer turn time so that you don't have to stale.

[Dark Kitty]

I have already sent back the turn 14 and I'm moving in a few hours (GMT +8) so it should be ok. Thanks though :)

[chrispedersen]

Is it your outgoing turn 12, your incoming turn - when do you get the error (more specifically).The turnfile for turn 13, which was just sent out from Llamaserver.

The 2h I had in my folder when opening the rolled back turn 11 was for turn 12, unless something is bugged you can't open a 2h. from a different turn with your turn :shock:

My Dominion discs are in another locale, so I couldn't try reinstalling until next weekend...

Um guys, I think we have a bigger problem that dark kitty...
Redeyes, you needed to delete the .2h file per the rollback instructions.

At this point, I would delte the game folder (solar) recreate it, and download the turn into it.

[Gokufan1988]

The treacherous demons of Lanka have stabbed us in the back after signing a NAP. So be it we will cleanse the world of your filth. Let this be a warning to other nations not to trust Lanka in any way.

A three turn NAP. I didn't mean to attack you before it was up, but I guess I got confused by this turn rollback stuff.

[Dragar]

Unless worded specifically otherwise a 3 turn NAP typically means that you have to give 3 turns notice before attacking an enemy, as opposed to being able to attack 3 turns after signing the treaty. It can be confusing at first, but it is the normal convention in MP games

[Dragar]

Fomoria has staled for 3 consecutive turns, I recommend sub/AI as soon as possible

[Gokufan1988]

Unless worded specifically otherwise a 3 turn NAP typically means that you have to give 3 turns notice before attacking an enemy, as opposed to being able to attack 3 turns after signing the treaty. It can be confusing at first, but it is the normal convention in MP games

:doh: I feel stupid. Sorry about that Arco. Too late to turn back now though.

[Alpine Joe]

Yes perhaps i should have made the wording more clear, as i assumed a conventional NAP but forgot i was playing with other inexperienced players...Oh well, now we fight to the death, all in good fun. Good Luck! (but not too good)

[licker]

Fomoria has staled for 3 consecutive turns, I recommend sub/AI as soon as possible

Yes, we should pause to figure this out, early game stales like that are just too big an advantage for the neighbors.

[chrispedersen]

This was what I've been saying.... perhaps I should have said STOP!!! LOL

He has been complaining about corrupted turn file since 13, and asked for a pause and or rollback.

[Redeyes]

I reinstalled and can now enter the game again.

Seems I have lost 4 provinces and that I am under siege in two places.
I'll set myself to AI, that way less free stuff is handed out.

[Dragar]

nice to see the vultures descend so rapidly when someone has comptuer troubles... which nations attacked redeyes?

[Redeyes]

The ones I was at war with, really, and the provinces I lost I stole earlier ;)

[Dragar]

ah ok, fair enough then. Sorry you had to leave the game, hope the enxt one works out better!

[chrispedersen]

I border Formoria and specifically did *not* attack him, due to the computer bugs.

I have been trying to get the game paused to fix the problem of him having corrupted files. I would be willing to roll it back. I personally hate it when a player is knocked out for computer reasons.

Red eyes did post that he could not open the game immediately after he had the problem.

I'll leave it up to starshine, but having been the recipient of the game being fixed my vote would be to extend the same courtesy.

[Dragar]

ow many turns is it, 4 or 5? :( that's a difficult rollback. Agree though that it sucks for redeyes. DOn't know what is best, up to starshine really

[Alpine Joe]

I would be willing to do a rollback, as it sucks to have computer troubles.

[Starshine_Monarch]

It seems this game has just been riddled with troubles from day one. I will roll back as many turns as people need to keep the game rolling as smoothly as I can.

[chrispedersen]

I'm actually amazed that no one has spoken against it, and redeyes would like to continue in the game, that we just roll it back.

[Starshine_Monarch]

I'm actually amazed that no one has spoken against it, and redeyes would like to continue in the game, that we just roll it back.

You seem to underestimate the general niceness of this community, or at the very least this group of players.

[Dragar]

so what does this mean exactly.. if we roll back are we honour bound to act as before? what happens to treaties made in the turns since then? I'm not trying to be obtuse, just have never come across a rollback of so many turns

[licker]

I am moderately against a roll back of that magnitude, but will not balk if it happens.

It doesn't really have anything to do with my position or events (or lack thereof), just that 4 turns is alot of knowledge to use differently.

[Executor]

I also very much hate a rollback, not to mention a couple of them a few times, but I am willing to rollback for the sake of Redeyes.
Just please, no more after this! :)

[chrispedersen]

so what does this mean exactly.. if we roll back are we honour bound to act as before? what happens to treaties made in the turns since then? I'm not trying to be obtuse, just have never come across a rollback of so many turns

Dragar, I agree completely - and I don't think you're being obtuse at all. I do think on a rollback of this size we should talk about what we expect.

The rollback presents a storm of issues for example, our agreements.

I generally don't think that players could redo their exact actions even if they remembered them; I don't think its reasonable to expect them to *not* use prior knowledge. I'd expect everyone to make their best efforts.

So, for example in our instance - I don't mind you making a beeline for that specific province, and I think you should. Hopefully we will be smart enough to talk to each other so we don't collide =).

And yes, I'd like to say again, I am impressed with the sportsmanship of this group and community.

Again, we haven't heard from RedEyes. Personally, I hope he does choose to continue (so I can beat him in person). If he doesn't then, I'd say game on =).

[Redeyes]

I couldn't set myself to AI last turn because of my ISP being down last night.

I'm still alive, but nearly all my assets are frozen behind castle walls, it would only be a matter of pressing end-turn for me, and most of my effective forces are dead due to random patrol orders w/o support and otherwise scattered in random provinces.

I was in a good position when my game got corrupted, just taking an enemy fort.

A rollback is a big disruption of gameplay, I can't demand one.
The other option is for me to go AI.

[Starshine_Monarch]

I don't want to lose any players from technical problems. We're all willing to roll back for you, Red. Are you sure you just want to go AI?

[Dragar]

there have onbly been about 4 people posting about this, if the others aren't reading th eforum and suddenly there is a 5 or 6 turn rollback... suggest if we rollback that you message them first starshine? For the remainder of the game let's pause as soon as something questionable happens, once the game keeps moving it becomes difficult

[Redeyes]

Oh, I did set myself to AI the last turn.
Feel free to go on or to rollback as you wish, I have other games going and I see no reason to disrupt your game but if you do,
I'll be back in with gusto to wage my war and to slaughter puny humans.

[Starshine_Monarch]

Well, I guess since you're okay with this Red, I may as well just keep this game going as smoothly as possible. I really hope there will be no more technical issues...

[chrispedersen]

EA-Ermor would like to purchase Dwarven hammers... Inquiries welcome.

[chrispedersen]

Whats up with the game?

[Dragar]

yeah, looks like we've moved to 48 hour hosting? is everyone in favour of that? would be great to keep it moving quickly for as long as possible

[licker]

Yeah, quicker is usually better, but maybe someone needed a delay and PMed the host?

I dunno, I can live with 48h myself.

[chrispedersen]

Quicker = ), until life says otherwise = )

[licker]

I have had a bit of a messy schedule yesterday and today, so if it's possible to postpone the hosting for about 4h I would appreciate it.

It shouldn't take me very long to do the turn, but I'm just not sure I'm going to be at the computer with Dom3 on it in time to send it in.

Thanks in advance (I hope...)

[chrispedersen]

the game is set for about 6 hours from now.. was that enough or do you need more?

[licker]

It looks like I got it in in time anyway, the job for tonight got pushed back so it wasn't an issue.

[llamabeast]

This game was behaving oddly earlier, not accepting turns because they were the "Wrong turn number". I've fixed that now.

[Starshine_Monarch]

Thanks a bunch Llama. Saved us from what might have been yet another technical problem for this game. :cheers:

[chrispedersen]

requesting a small delay - ie., just turn off quickhosting so I can change my turn before it hosts.

[licker]

I just got notified that I need to be on travel from feb 10th to the 13th and will be unable to put in turns during that time.

I've contacted someone about subbing for me so hopefully there will be no delays to the game. I'll keep you updated with the situation though.

thanks

[Starshine_Monarch]

Now that you mention it, I'll likely be gone for a good week or more starting around the 14th. I'll see what I can do about a sub for me when the time comes.

[Quell]

T'ien Ch'i would like to trade earth gems into W,N,F,S or A gems

[licker]

Would T'ien Ch'i trade with me?

;)

Or would anyone wishing to trade with T'ien Ch'i consider trading with Tir na n'og instead.... I'll at least match the price

:D

[chrispedersen]

Hey!

Ermor, being at peace with all its neighbors (we think) is pleased to announce that it is now accepting orders for Con-6 items.

Any and all customers will be served on a first come first serve basis.

Now as most probably know, Ermor has weak magic access, with strong access really only in Death and Fire. So special deals will be cut for people providing boosters - especially, air, astral, earth, and most especially *nature*. Essentially if you provide a booster, ermor will *credit* you the cost of the booster towards a crafting *AND* charge you no forging fee, toward the item of your choice.

Ermor is also offering super special pricing on Tree Lord staffs, and will pay great rates for nature gems!

Also - we are interested in buying boots of youth!

[Dark Kitty]

Hello

I have to go back home and drop the games I'm in (I can't take my computer). I'm sorry to warn so late (and after having already stalled one or two turns) but something unexpected came up and I forgot a bit about the games I'm in.

There is no password on my pretender, do as you see fit :) (it is possible that I will be available again in a week or so if no sub has been found yet...)

Have fun,

[chrispedersen]

I understand Dark Kitty has found a sub. Could aforementioned sub PM me privately...

Best wishes,

EA- Ermor

[rdonj]

Hey, I'm taking over control of Tir na N'og temporarily while licker is away. If you need anything in the meantime feel free to pm me. I generally have a good response time.

Try not to need me too much though, this game is a bit more complicated than the other two I'm taking over for him in ;)

[chrispedersen]

Pangaeia, despite the sub,(and the extra 12 hours) still staled.. Does something need to be done?

[Executor]

Mictlan in need of earth boosters and forge hammers. Can pay in everything but death gems.

[chrispedersen]

Ah but ermor is paying a better price for earth boosters and hammers... see post a few turns back! Ermor guarantees to match+ every offer = )

[licker]

Earth boots and hammers...

It's all anyone wants these days...

Let me check my stocks and I'll be willing to make some deals.

[chrispedersen]

Ermor will pay 200 gp for boots of youth. Contact me privately for details of numbers. Payment also available gems or forging.

Best wishes.

[chrispedersen]

Due to constant staling, QM is setting PANGAIA to AI.

Best wishes to all & Thanks QM.

[Executor]

Down to 7 players, who's next?

[chrispedersen]

Guys,

Please help me out. I have been having a recurring issue where trading partners don't receive the items or gold I sent.

This trading interface here is terrible - a pixel off and you can send it to the wrong person - and never know.

Just as a question of sanity - can someone *please* let me know if you got something from me that you weren't expecting?

This isn't the first time - or the fifth time or the sixth time this is happening - so its really driving me crazy - you wonder are people that dishonest (that they lie about receiving it); am I that incompetent that I miss a simple mouse click that often; is there something wrong with the game...? Drives me nuts.

[chrispedersen]

I'm got called out of town suddenly, I am going to try to get my turn in on time; there may however be a slight delay. I will be back in town on Monday.

[chrispedersen]

Ermor finds itself being the poor cousin... My lands while yielding an excellent assortment of bramples, thistles, thorns and halflings <pestilential little creatures> nonetheless seems *entirely* devoid of gems of any color.

So ermor would like to buy some gems. We will pay 25gp for gems and 12.5 gp for blood slaves.

Best

[Executor]

Well this game seems to be moving very fast.
If we continue like this we could have a winner by next week.:p
Down to 6...

[licker]

Chris-

Your pm box is full, but I can sell you death gems, let me know how many you want, i'm sure I can meet your demand :)

[chrispedersen]

How about 10?

[Gokufan1988]

Anyone here want some skull mentors? I'm literally giving these things away.

[licker]

Literally?

Just send some to Tir then ;)

Or let me know what if anything you are looking for in return.

[chrispedersen]

Anyone here want some skull mentors? I'm literally giving these things away.

Gokufan - you've got mail....

[Gokufan1988]

Literally?

Just send some to Tir then ;)

Or let me know what if anything you are looking for in return.

I'm probably going to go AI next turn unless something miraculous happens. So I am literally literally giving them away.

[licker]

Well then send me as many as you want!

Though we never had a nap we were still nice peaceful neighbors, that should count for something :)

You are lanka right?

[licker]

Tir announces the end of their NaP3 with Mictlan, no hostile orders will be given during turns 38, 39, and 40.

[Executor]

Looks like a beginning of another global war against me in yet another game.
I would only like it for you guys to keep it fair and give me a chance also, so I hope to fight only (huh, only!) these tree nation that declared war on me, at least for now.
So, Ermor, Tir N Nog and Abysia, bring it on...

[licker]

I did not declare war on anyone! ;)

Well I declared war on Tien a long time ago...

[chrispedersen]

Looks like a beginning of another global war against me in yet another game.
I would only like it for you guys to keep it fair and give me a chance also, so I hope to fight only (huh, only!) these tree nation that declared war on me, at least for now.
So, Ermor, Tir N Nog and Abysia, bring it on...

LOL.. thats because you keep winning Exec = ).

Start losing -- and only 1-2 people will take advantage of you =)

[Executor]

Well if I win this one call me the Master of EA Mictlan. :)

[Executor]

Congrats to whoever forged the challice this turn.

[chrispedersen]

Damn, not me!

Laughing but it would be just like you if it were you Exec = ). Very tricky you are =)

[Starshine_Monarch]

I probably won't be able to get my turn in today on account of some housework what needs doing. Therefore, I'm postponing the turn until tomorrow.

[licker]

Sounds good, I'm dead tired from the work load we've had this week, so a little extra time works out well for me.

[Executor]

I could use a 27 hours delay on this turn if possible.

[Starshine_Monarch]

Done. Hosting has been delayed.

[chrispedersen]

Hey sorry guys I just realized that Exe has gotten his turn in, and I'm the one holding it up. I'll do my turn, but

I'd like to suggest we just concede this to Exe.

I don't see any sign of any significant opposition...

[Dragar]

I think it's a bit premature to make that assessment properly, I'm keen to at least play a few more turns and see how it goes.

[licker]

I have not begun to fight in earnest either, it may be too late though, but I think we can sit for another couple turns at least and see what happens.

[Executor]

Hey guys, if you see the clock run out and I still havent sent my turn in, would you mind delaying the game? I'm having some PC trouble and turns are almost imposible for me to send. Should probably make it work today or tomorrow but still.

[chrispedersen]

I hate winning - or losing by stales. So I'll try to help you out.

[Executor]

Thanks for the delay, I'm back.

[Starshine_Monarch]

I see a couple of us haven't submitted their turn yet, so I delayed the hosting another 12 hours in case anyone needs it.

[Executor]

Llama server down, turn sent. I hope it gets trough.
An insanly risky turn for me I must say, either the smartest or the dumbest turn I've ever done.

[chrispedersen]

LOL.. any hints?

[Executor]

All in all, not too bad.
I did expect to lose that one battle, but man did I lose it!!!
Well any thought on my pretender at least?

[Dragar]

I can't access my turn yet, anyone want to fill me in on the fun stuff?

[Executor]

You lost one battle teribly and won one pretty good.
Lost a couple of provinces also, but the worst is yet to come.

[Dragar]

cool, have logged in now. Fair assessment on the two battles! very polarised

I have to say i was expecting more from moloch - apart from that pesky rain it wasn't exactly an imposing performance from a F9W9 dom 9 pretender fully equipped with a bunch of artifacts? Sure, he didn't need to do much, but he must really have been embarassed casting a cold bolt..

Apart from the firestorm and heat fro mhell, it's interesting to see how poorly your armies fare without a huge swag of blood slaves. Not running out are we? all of those horrors and leeches are pretty expensive when so many of your blood hunters are being taken out, surely?

[licker]

Heat from hell? firestorm?

What the hell?

All I can do is send stupid arrows and fling lightning bolts :p

I knew I shouldn't have taken drain3 and then recruited only shide commanders all game long :p

At least I have alot of them I guess :D

[Executor]

Well the pretender didn't have much time to act, the battle was over before his battle order allowed him anything, and he didn't cast either rain or cold bolt, he was set to hold.
Don't worry about me, I have plenty of blood slaves to go around, but are you running out of your sacreds? 1 blood slave for 1 burning one is a bit expensive don't you think?

Maybe gold is becoming a problem also? Gold to gold ratio you lost much more than me,
Your army size took a good hit while I still have enough troops to cover 3 fronts,
your sacreds are capital only while mine are not.

Licker, your time shall come... muahahahahahaha :)

I have some special surprises planned for the 3 of you soon, very soon.

[chrispedersen]

Actually, Executor I don't think it has to be a three front war.
You've asked me (and dragar) to join you and I am willing to listen to what you propose.

[licker]

People actually are using sacreds?!??!

What the hell, I thought there were no sacreds allowed in this game, I certainly never have bought any!

i do like surprises though.

Once in a boring game where I started in a corner as Machaka and then everyone I bordered kept on going AI so by the time I was able to do anything someone had basically ran away with the rest of the map they sent me dozens and dozens of ghouls in every province I owned (which was well over 30).

Then the next turn, they did it again!

Man, that was an awesome surprise!

[chrispedersen]

that is something like what mictlan has been doing.. just with horrors.

[Executor]

Hahaha, very interesting,
Mictlan has now fought ( and is still ) every single nation in this game, every single 9 of them!!!
And might I add it's only turn 45.

[chrispedersen]

And you've killed 3 or 4 of them...
Speaking of which .. someone I presume mictlan - has built the aegis, the pebble suit, Harvester....

[licker]

I'm going to be gone from March 27th through the 30th, so could we get a pause during that time? The diplomacy and positions are complex enough I'd feel bad asking a sub to step in, and worse if he managed to mess something up.

I demand to be allowed to mess things up for myself!

;)

[Starshine_Monarch]

I can delay that for you, so it's not a problem.

[licker]

Thanks, I don't think I'll get in this latest turn before I have to go, but if I can I will.

I don't want to rush it, and there's a storm moving in Thursday so its likely we will leave in the evening meaning I won't have Thursday night like i thought I would.

[licker]

I'm back but need 24h to do the turn as I got in later than expected and am too tired to want to deal with it tonight.

Thanks for holding it up for me.

[chrispedersen]

FOOBAH!

I just had a mage with no horror marking and no known problematic items go Lost in Space after casting teleport.
I'm asking llama to send me the last .2h to confirm.

This could be one of the changes in the patch .. but thats pretty steep.

Might need to delay, if I may.

[licker]

Zoinks!

Good luck resolving that question.

[Executor]

Maybe he stepped into the Bermuda triangle?

[chrispedersen]

llamaserver down. Game will be delayed till tomorrow.

[Starshine_Monarch]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a weird risk of teleporting, something like a 1% chance every time you do it. If that's the case, you'll just have to consider yourself (un)lucky that it actually happened to you, so sit back and watch the Void battle reports.

[chrispedersen]

5 times in a row?

[Executor]

So that's 1/100*1/100*1/100*1/100*1/100=0,0000000001% chance
Yeah still possible.

[chrispedersen]

Sure its possible. I'm just betting something else is causing it - and I think I have it figured out.

[chrispedersen]

can we put this on a 72 hour schedule or something once easter is over?

[licker]

sure, whatever schedule works for everyone is fine, I'm busy enough with other stuff myself.

[Starshine_Monarch]

Hosting interval has been changed to 80 hours, to give a bit of extra time for some of us slowpokes.

[chrispedersen]

Guys, I hate stales worse than anyone; but this is ridiculous I think we've done 3 turns in 17 days?

I suggest we all try to get these turns back in on a 72 hour time frame, with no more postponements unless they are actually requested.

[Starshine_Monarch]

Well, this is going to be an actual requested postponement. I have more work than I expected to have this week, so I'll need a delay until I can get my turn in this weekend. Sorry about this.

[chrispedersen]

Speaking on other matters, in the Dome thread Executor mentioned stacking multiple domes.

There is a bug on stacking multiple domes; as with all games exploiting bugs is against the rules. So I wanted to bring it up and makes sure people were aware of it before it became an issue in game....

[Starshine_Monarch]

Chris has PM'd me about a mistake in the submission of his turn. Since there are so few of us left anyway, I'm issuing a rollback. We apologize for the inconvenience.

[licker]

So I assume that I should not resubmit my turn correct?

Since I was happy with it anyway, the orders part at least :p

[Starshine_Monarch]

Those that submitted turn 51 already do not need to send it again, so sayeth llamaserver. Once Chris has submitted his turn, I will force hosting as soon as I'm able so we can get on with this.

[chrispedersen]

May I request an extension? I have (or will have shortly) the current turns in. However, I have been called out of town Wed/Thursday, and so would like a 36 hour extension, delaying any processing on thursday to Fri/sat?


I don't think it actually matters in this game.. but, if by some miracle everyone gets turns in twice in a row in 24 hours.... I'd like to make sure I don't stale ...

Thanks all...

[Dragar]

This is just my opinion, but given that this game is moving nowhere and that Starshine is quitting, I vote we end it and declare Executor winner.. I was really happy to fight it out, very interesting game, but Starshine was probably in the next best position to win, and we are playing about a turn a week.

If people don't have the heart there is no point continuing, especially when one player is clearly on top and deserving of a win based on the game to date

That said I will always keep playing until the end if people want to continue

[chrispedersen]

I'd *really* like to not end it. I know I've been responsible for my fair share (and probably then some) of delays recently.

Why don't we all just say - 72 hour turns, and no further delays.
If we stale, we stale - and we all try not to stale.

But we have all put hours and hours and hours into this game...

[Executor]

I agree with Dragar, I vote we declare Mictlan the winner and end this game.;)

[Starshine_Monarch]

I'd *really* like to not end it. I know I've been responsible for my fair share (and probably then some) of delays recently.

Why don't we all just say - 72 hour turns, and no further delays.
If we stale, we stale - and we all try not to stale.

But we have all put hours and hours and hours into this game...

This is assuming I can find a sub for me, and I've had no luck so far. What say we wait until Sunday and if I can't find a sub by then, we'll declare the game ended?

[chrispedersen]

FakeymcFake will take the position if no one else will. Still, as he is inexperienced with marverni, he would rather a more experienced player take it.

[Starshine_Monarch]

I'll see what I can do about that, but if no one else shows, then he's got it.

[Executor]

Let's wait one more day for a sub,
and if nobody shows up and posts in the sub thread to take Marverni I don't see why Fakey shouldn't take the position, better than making them AI.

[chrispedersen]

Also Tolkien is looking at it - but I'd like to give em both till Sunday.

Also - has anyone heard from licker?

[Dragar]

no, not recently.

[Psycho]

I'll take Marverni.

[Psycho]

I've already got an interesting PM from chris. Please everybody else send me a PM about our diplomatic relations.

[Executor]

Hmm, looks like I got more than I bargained for, I'd prefer if Starshine stayed in the game, but I'm good this way too.

Psycho, you've got mail.

[chrispedersen]

Yeah, I'd prefer it too, I've been trying to tempt him into staying. 50 plus turns is a long time to bow out.

[Starshine_Monarch]

I've got Psycho all set up as Marverni now. Once he gets his turn in, you can get on with the rest of the game.

I've also given chris the admin password, so talk to him if you need anything done.

[Dragar]

Some extreme weirdness this turn.. One of my Anointed has lost all of his magic, with no afflictions, while a Burning One is now a commander with N1B1...

[chrispedersen]

Probably corrupted file.

[Dragar]

I may need a delay later this week. I am going in for corrective eye surgery (lasik) on Thursday, and am not sure how long until I'm seeing well enough to play. My guess is two days.

I'll play every turn I have available Thursday morning my time (late wed night US), which means nothing will be due for at least a day, but may not be able to play turns then, and even if I can probably shouldn't be staring at a screen.

So, if we can either put a delay in then, or if the admin can keep an eye out and if I haven't got a turn in I'd really appreciate it. Obviously as soon as I'm ok I'll play turns and post.

If for whatever reason I'm not back longer than people are prepared to wait, I'll wear a stale or two - don't think I've vanished and waste time searching for an AI.

If I don't come back for ages please look up a good eye specialist for me because mine obviously hasn't done his job right!

Thanks,
Dragar

[chrispedersen]

Of course!

[Psycho]

chris, clear some space in your inbox

[chrispedersen]

Sorry Psycho.. space cleareed. Lets see how long it lasts.

[Psycho]

Mictlan and abysia, stop cheating!

[chrispedersen]

With apologies and thanks to Psycho...

With Star's bowing out and in light of Licker's absence Executor and I have agreed to a split victory for Mictlan / Ermor. Dragar has agreed, and we believe that Licker did previously as well.

However, we'll wait 48 hrs for comment from Licker (or anyone), and I will post a message on the game server.

Best

Chris

[Psycho]

That's not something you and Executor can decide. I don't concede.

[Executor]

Since I can not conclude this damn game already, I say let's go down in a blaze of glory at the very least.

Mictlan declares war on all the nations in the game!

[chrispedersen]

Ok.. I think I've found a replacement for licker. Giving him a chance to look the position over. We'll probably be count down in 24 hours.

[chrispedersen]

Ok.. Cerlin has agreed to replace Licker.

I'll set the game to host 48 hours, with a 72 hour turn over thereafter.

[Executor]

Ah, the trecherous demon shows his true face.

Let it be known that the ruler of Abysia has been marked as an honorles and treacherous dog for all eternity.

[Dragar]

Since I can not conclude this damn game already, I say let's go down in a blaze of glory at the very least.

Mictlan declares war on all the nations in the game!

I do believe Abysia was declared war upon a number of days ago, our allies will attest that we are steadfast and always keep our word. We also love the smell of napalm in the morning :)

[chrispedersen]

I returned from out of town to find my internet service down from last night until this afternoon.

I have rolled back the turn and submit asap. Please do not submit a turn unless you staled.

[Executor]

I just came home, and I'm really tired, so I need to ask for a 6 hour delay to make this turn.

[Cerlin]

Hello,
I am the replacement for TNN.
I was curious if I could get an extension on this current turn? Im still working on it.
thanks

[chrispedersen]

Going to delay the game right now for 24....

[Executor]

chrispedersen

Empty you inbox.

[Psycho]

What is going on with this game? Everything I forged and summoned last turn has vanished without a trace!!!!!! :eek::eek::eek::mad::mad::mad:

[chrispedersen]

Crap. None of my summons or constructions showed up either.

The usual fix: create a new folder, and download the turn into the new folder didn't work.

Try that Pscyho and let us know. It didn't work for me.

We do have a large map = but I don't really see large amounts of freespawns.

[Executor]

I have my items, I think, but my commanders have turned into regular units, that are still commander with the same paths???
And a whole bunch of new longdead mictlan priests have appeared, not to mention the increase of wealth that is very true. Oh yeah and pale one commanders with fire 4 earth 1 paths, and jade maiden commanders and jaguar commanders.

[Psycho]

Nothing helps. Everything I forged and summoned this turn is here. But, everything from the last one is gone. There are also some attacks by Mictlan scouts as regular units, not commanders.

[Dragar]

i had nothing weird this turn that I noticed, a few turns back I had that strangeness with two of my units

[Executor]

Chris
For the love of god delete some more messages.

[Dragar]

Chris's mailbox has insanity and won't receive messages 25% of the time. It never seems to have a problem sending them though

[chrispedersen]

I got a corrupted mail box on here sometime after the switchover...

[chrispedersen]

I find today that I am going to be out of the country from Friday noon till Monday noon. I'll postphone hosting as appropriate.

[Psycho]

What are we going to do about the corrupted turn?

[Dragar]

we appear to have rollbacked.. with no communication about it. Seriously, what is going on with this game? Is anyone actually still interested in playing it?

For a long time now I've kept on in this game so as not to ruin it for others, but if people aren't interested I'd rather not bother

[chrispedersen]

I rolled back as most of the people staled.

I think if no one makes a comment by friday, I'm just going to declare the game over with a joint victory.

[Psycho]

If there is nothing that can be done about the problems then lets end the game. I can't play with my golems and boars randomly disappearing. I vote we end it and declare Mictlan the winner, he's the only who deserves it. He has been fighting everyone else for a big part of the game.

[Dragar]

I have to agree, Mictlan deserves it in my opinion

[chrispedersen]

Up until the point that Star dropped out which was *one* turn ago, I had put together a functioning coalition that had 70% of the terrain in the game. Individually, I control around the same number of Territories, perhaps more. We'd have to count to see.

I have almost all of the artifacts in the game, I have the best astral mage in the game, I have the best communions in the game, the best information in the game and I have an immortal God that can beat almost anything thrown at it. All my important mages are twiceborned.

I outnumber Mictlan in forts more than 2:1, likewise in temples and my income exceeds his by far.

I have the only tartarian factory, (two of them) and I additionally have a tarrasque factory going, with a special summoning site that reduces the cost. And I have had gift of health the entire game to remove their afflictions.

Moreover, we had (and have) and agreement several turns ago that continues to this day declaring a joint victory. The only reason it didn't end previously was Psycho's opposition.

After the last turn, when Psycho opposed the joint victory, Mictlan and I entered into an agreement: We were going to destroy Psycho's nation and then declare a joint victory.

I have never known Executor to break an agreement.

If Executor as the strongest player agreed that its a joint victory, why would you oppose it? Ie, had the game continued, withing 3-4 turns, Marverni would have been destroyed and then the game declared with a joint victory.

Per your previous statement Psycho, the game cannot be declared won or lost without complete consensus by all the players. I agree that Mictlan is individually the strongest player, however, essentially the game was decided by factors outside the game (ie., real life). At the time that occurred, the alliance was gaining territories, gems and items *much* faster than Mictlan was. We were winning.

Regardless: per the previous statements from executor and psycho the game cannot be decided except by consensus and I will not vote for anything except a joint win. And Frankly, I think any objective examination of the game supports that.

[Dragar]

If executor is happy with it that's fine, I really don't care at this point.

[Executor]

Err, I had a lot more going on that you folks thought. Chris, you didn't have the only tart factory, here's a little insight on my Empire.

Almost all the ERoy were in my possession.
I had over 20 civatateos which were raising an army of undead, and on standby for sending as thugs against anyone. (my favorite unit in Dom)
I had about 25 onaquies and was summoning an additional 2 every turn and hence an army of beast bats, over 600 of them.
I had several golems, which were unfortunately waiting for some items before being sent off.
I had some SC spectral mages that are now in TNN's lands waiting to strike.
I had a very large army of mind hunters and horror senders to eliminate any underequiped army.
Was blood hunting in over 20 province and needed gold for nothing other than to buy a capital mage, but I did have a large stash of money to buy troops when needed.
I had some less important artifacts since someone kept forging them the same turn as I, eg. scepter, the chalice, unquenched which got me really mad! But I did menage to get the Aegis doe.
I also had a very large stash of gems and was about to overcast GoH with about 350 nature gems before attacking and cast AC with about 500 slaves.
I planned to cast AN somehow since I had a lot of pearls but didn't quite have the mage for it, so I started summoning Arch devils to get the astal one, and would have given him robe of the magi, astral cap, coin and a ring, and a single empowerment to cast it, and so on...

Oh and my personal favorite pretender so far, Super strong moloch with many artifacts, awe, fear, regen, all immunities, absurdly high att, def, prot, MR and HP.

All in all this is one of my best played games, next to Beer, which was a very similar situation.

I do want this game over, I said I'm good with a shared victory and I honer my word, there are several reasons I wanted this over, numerous bugs in the game, onaquis becoming beast bats, lack of time, losing interest due to fighting everybody in the game, and I did actually fight every single player in the game, but it was mostly lack of interest.

I'd like to congratulate Chris on forming the biggest alliance against me I ever saw.
I felt like Hitler for a while, a stellar start, but than a very slow downfall.

Well, glad it's over, go head and write it in if you wish Chris.

[Psycho]

If Executor is fine with it, then I won't object any more. But I am certain of one thing - had this game continued normally, Chris, you would have never won it. If you want to get your half-victory this way, then go ahead, but I wouldn't be too proud of it.

[chrispedersen]

[LIST] I'd like to congratulate Chris on forming the biggest alliance against me I ever saw.
I felt like Hitler for a while, a stellar start, but than a very slow downfall.

Well, glad it's over, go head and write it in if you wish Chris.

Thanks Exec:

As always, you are an incredible opponent. Next time, I'd rather team with you. There were quite a few things I'd love to boast about my nation - that I can't reveal since I'm saving them for the next time we fight. As usual I learned quite a few things, both about tactics, Mictlan, and EA-Ermor.

I learned quite a bit about map size vis-a-vis each nation. For example: Large maps favor air/astral nations. Large maps diminish importance of dominion. Large maps increase the importance of favorable scales.

I actually love EA-Ermor as a nation. I do not pretend that it is a powerhouse nation - but it is definitly top quarter. And once again I believe that Mictlan, Sauromatia, Ashdod, and maybe niefle are in a category all by them selves.

I'd like to thank Dragar, Star, Cerlin and Licker (who I haven't heard from since) for being great and faithful teammates. Keeping an alliance together is hard work and always subject to constant fear, jockeying for position - but everybody brought a lot to the table. I'd like to thank Cerlin and Psycho for being good sports and picking up positions; even when I didn't see eye to eye with Psycho.

Best wishes to all, And thanks to star for arranging the game.