EA DarkHeavens (Game on!)

[K]

Players: 6-10+, depending on interest.
Server: LlamaServer (automated play-by-email, FAQ below)
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=35160
Hosting interval: Initially 24 hours, 48 at Turn 20, 72 at 50
Age: Early
Graphs: On
Settings: Default except for renaming on, Magic Site at 55% (+10%, which tends to mean that people generally get the gem types they need)
Mods: None (non-negotiable)
Map: random and 15 per player. Note that 15 per player is a tight map which will lead to early wars rather than later wars.
Rules: Anything goes. Unless you are hacking files or spamming email/mail, any tactic allowed by the game is considered fair game.

Exception: If you make a Pact with someone, record it in the game thread with the Turn (and record when you end it). If you don't want to record it for any reason (eg. secret pact), then there shouldn't be any complaining about pact-breakers in the game thread.

Nation--Player:
Lanka - K
Marveni - hEad
Mictlan - BigandScary
Sauromatia - gotchaaa
Abysia - Amonchakad
Arco - Grudgebringer
Fomoria - Tyrant
Oceania - Juffos
Neifleheim - AlphineJoe
Ermor - AreaOfEffect
Ulm - BigDisAwesome
Kailasa - Fickle
Tien Chi - Dark_Kitty
Helheim - Ossa
Agartha - Torin
Atlantis - Revolution
Tir Na Nog - Lickr

Game on!

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[hEad]

Count me in... Marverni if you please.

[BigandScary]

I'll join, as Mictlan

[gotchaaa]

Sauromatia plz =)

[Amonchakad]

Count me in as Abysia:)

[Juffos]

If water nations are allowed, sign me in as Oceania. If not, then as Caelum.

[GrudgeBringer]

EA...I'll take Arco

[analytic_kernel]

I like your game concept: vanilla play and random map. If you are still looking for more players a couple days from now, then I'll join. And, you can then randomly assign me any nation that is left, as I'm still uncomfortable with all them....

[Alpine Joe]

Can I get in as Niefelheim?

[Tyrant]

Fomoria please

[BigDisAwesome]

I'd like in. I wouldn't mind a random nation picked myself.

[AreaOfEffect]

Atlantis please

Edit: Nevermind, I'd rather be Ermor.

[Fickle]

Kailasa please

[hEad]

What do you folks think about role playing a game of Dom3? Is it something you do or are you more inclined to just converse in a normal manner?

[Dark Kitty]

I would like to join as Tien Chi, if there is still some room

[llamabeast]

hEad: the role-playing dom3 game Chronicles_EA is just about to start, and Gandalf's just dropped out. You might ask there if you can join at the last minute if you're interested.

[hEad]

hEad: the role-playing dom3 game Chronicles_EA is just about to start, and Gandalf's just dropped out. You might ask there if you can join at the last minute if you're interested.

Cheers! I put the word on them.. see what happens.

[Ossa]

I'd like to join as Helheim if there is still some room for more players.

[Torin]

I would like to join. I will decide my nation, or random if im not fast enough

[Revolution]

I'll take EA Atlantis to give Oceania some underwater competition unless you wanted to stop at 12 players, in which case I'm overflow.

[Torin]

Ill be Kailasa if i may. Atlantis is taken but Rlieh is free.

[AreaOfEffect]

Kailasa please

Ill be Kailasa if i may. Atlantis is taken but Rlieh is free.

Torin, as you can see, Kailasa has already been asked for. As for Atlantis, I changed my mind (didn't like the prospects of their research curve) and so it was available when Revolution asked for it.

[licker]

If you want/need more players I will join as Tir.

If not that's fine too :)

[Torin]

Ok ill be Agartha if Kailasa is taken.
Any chance of llama's banners mod?
They look better than the originals and don't modify the game.

[K]

OK, I'll be closing the game entry at 11:59 PM PST (California time) and setting up the game then. It looks like we have a big game!

[K]

Submit pretenders!

[BigDisAwesome]

I set a test game up to randomly pick a nation and it's gonna be Ulm. I'll work on getting my pretender done.

[Torin]

Clever way of randoming. I used to make excel rnd numbers

[AreaOfEffect]

That's nothin'. For pretender design I set up an AI opponent of the faction I'm going to play and then beat them down with double-bless giants. After I get a glimps of the AI's god and a good look at his scales I can reconstruct the entire build. I then use that for the build in my MP game.

[Torin]

That's Random allright.
Maybe you can discover a new strategy alltogether.
:capt:

[licker]

What and where is the map?

thanks

[hEad]

What and where is the map?

thanks

I'm fairly sure its a random job..

[licker]

Fair enough, but we still need it don't we?

Or am I missing something?

[Torin]

Yes, I was wondering that too. The browse maps at llamaserver doesnt work for me.

[hEad]

Yes, I was wondering that too. The browse maps at llamaserver doesnt work for me.

Me neither, whats the deal with it? Its like being in a pub with no money. :doh:

[AreaOfEffect]

So far I've only been able to pull up the thumbnail of the map by extracting it from the source code of the llamaserver web pages. The page has an error where the thumbnail array isn't defined properly I think.

I'm hoping for a little plot of land to the North-East.

http://www.llamaserver.net/mapThumbs/DarkHeavens.png

Edit: I believe this might be the maps description...

233 land + 22 sea.
No fixed starts.
Just a regular fightin' map.

llamaserver doesn't seem to have a link available for download. I'm sure our admin will provide the map when the last player submits a pretender.

(One final note: I hate html generated from applications as they are a pain to read.)

[Revolution]

Randomly generated starts eh? (hopes he does not end up in one of the 1 province pools)

[K]

That's the map.

I've tried fixed starts before and it tends to lead to accusations of game-fixing, so random is the way to go.

I thought llamaserver provided a link to the map that I put on the server, but if it doesn't I'll post it once the pretenders are in.

[gotchaaa]

Sorry Guys, I have to go on a business trip on 2nd - 4th of Feb.
If it's ok with all of you to hold on during these 3 days, I will upload my sauromatia pretend tonight. If it's not, feel free to find someone to replace me.

[AreaOfEffect]

I'm okay with that. I think you should just submit. You never know, depending on how the random placement works out, we might need time to restart the game anyhow.

That said, people might have to deal so long as their placement is workable and not absolutely terrible.

[Revolution]

That's the map.

I've tried fixed starts before and it tends to lead to accusations of game-fixing, so random is the way to go.

I thought llamaserver provided a link to the map that I put on the server, but if it doesn't I'll post it once the pretenders are in.

In an attempt to avoid a river to tears on turn 1, have the northern ponds and the provinces with less than 3 neighbors been designated no starts?

[GrudgeBringer]

I agree...people have to deal with a random map start.

But I also agree with Revolution that there is no reason to have to have such a bad start as to make that person long to be put out of the game.

I think Revolutions idea is a good one...(I am no modder so I have no idea if this can be done), Have some areas where there just is NO WAY you can get a start if you are placed there marked as no start.

Other than that or sitting on someones lap at the start..lets roll!!!:up:

[gotchaaa]

Ok. Then I will upload the pretender as soon as I get home ( 6 hours later)..

[hEad]

Any chance of another host for downloading the map? or would someone email it to me if they are feeling generous? - llamaserver map browser just doesn't like me.

[K]

Map attached.

[Juffos]

I have the same problem. Could someone please offer a solid link to the map, so I can check my turn?

I am a slow person.

[K]

OK, map is above. Jeffos posted juuust as I did it.

[hEad]

Map attached.

Legend :up:

[BigDisAwesome]

Did the game start already? I just finished up my pretender and was about to email in. According to Llamaserver turn 1 is sent out, and somebody else uploaded an Ulm pretender cause that's not me.

What'd I miss?

[Torin]

that someone already played his/her turn. I guess K can check the email in the game's settings

[BigDisAwesome]

Sweet...

[Revolution]

Yeah I thought I'd play two nations this game, sorry BigDis.









...

On a serious note, that's pretty messed up. Hopefully we can get it sorted out.

[licker]

Let's just say...

I've got nothing against a restart...

;)

[GrudgeBringer]

aarrrgghhhhhhhhh All that worry about a bad start, I finally get a good start/NAY, I say a GREAT start and its messed up.

LOL, I knew you guys where just messin with me, go ahead and restart but give me my usual 1 province start so I won't be spoiled.

[AreaOfEffect]

You weren't the only one with a good start. Oh well.

I can't understand why anyone would submit a pretender on someone elses behalf though. Its just so... stupid.

[GrudgeBringer]

Well, there should be a penalty...Maybe 100 gems of my choosing?:p

[K]

Did the game start already? I just finished up my pretender and was about to email in. According to Llamaserver turn 1 is sent out, and somebody else uploaded an Ulm pretender cause that's not me.

What'd I miss?

Ok, so that's super-wierd, and I can't check who the offender is.

I restarted. Ulm needs to submit a Pretender. Everyone else is cool.

Sorry about the trouble guys.

[hEad]

Whilst we are at it, can i upload a new pretender?

[Revolution]

Whilst we are at it, can i upload a new pretender?

Yes. Yes you can.

[Juffos]

Phew. I hope I will now get a better start than that little 4-province lake.

[GrudgeBringer]

Are we re-uploading pretenders?

I thought they said only Ulm had to do it agian?

I don't want to do it and make us re-restart:confused:

[BigDisAwesome]

I just tryed sending in my pretender, and this is the message I got.

I received a pretender file from you, but unfortunately the game has just filled up. Sorry!

So um...what?

[Revolution]

There is an Ulm in the game page once again so either your pretender did get through or someone else is really insistent on playing your nation.

[BigDisAwesome]

What the crap!? This is getting ridiculous.

I just resent my pretender to double check and got the same message. Someone else is definitely sniping my spot.

[K]

You're right: this is ridiculous.

I'll boot them one more time. After that, I think the only recourse is to send me your Pretender and an email address and I'll boot them and upload it myself, then change the email to your address.

Anyone else have an opinion on this?

[BigDisAwesome]

Finally got in...

This is just to confirm that I've received a pretender file from you for Ulm in the game DarkHeavens, and everything seems to be fine with it.

So...that's my Ulm that's uploaded.

Sorry for all the confusion and junk.

[K]

Cool. Game on!

[BigDisAwesome]

And I got the first turn mailed to me. Thanks again guys.

[hEad]

And so it begins.....

[Juffos]

Maybe someone really should modify the map so that these bad positions are not allowed for starting? A three-province Oceania is not going to make for great competition.

[licker]

Maybe someone really should modify the map so that these bad positions are not allowed for starting? A three-province Oceania is not going to make for great competition.

I don't think this is a strong map for water nations regardless of start.

Though perhaps at least setting nostarts in the water to help water nations wind up in a bigger pond isn't unreasonable.

[GrudgeBringer]

I (of course went from a great start to a terrible start) but my problem isn't that I only have 3 Provinces ( LOL, I had 7 last start), its that I have lands more suited to sauro that Arco...There are no fertile provinces within sight much less any that I can reach. I have 2 Blanks and 1 Forest around my Cap with wastes around them

As I said I can live with 3 provinces, but I would like to be able to have enough income to buy a mage and MAYBE a couple of archers each turn.

I have never played on a random map so maybe I am actually in a 'good' position.

Someone has to get the short end of the stick, but it sounds like there are quite a few that are in trouble from the start.
I have no idea what to suggest so I will just do my whining now and then do my best....

[licker]

Yep, with as many nations as we have some will no doubt wind up with a less than ideal situation.

I'm not sure what remedy their is short of not playing on a random map though.

My 2nd start is slightly better than the first, but neither outstanding. I suppose it will all depend on whom my neighbors actually are.

[Revolution]

With random start locations it's impossible to please everyone with as many people as we have; it's unfortunate but you just have to work with what you're given (which is easy for me to say since my start isn't too bad).

[Amonchakad]

Sorry for waiting until Monday evening to post the turn,i was really busy in the last 2 days.
Now everything's back on schedule.

[AreaOfEffect]

I say we kill Amonchakad just to be sure he's not an illithid.

[licker]

I just got notified that I need to be on travel from feb 10th to the 13th and will be unable to put in turns during that time.

I've contacted someone about subbing for me so hopefully there will be no delays to the game. I'll keep you updated with the situation though.

thanks

[gotchaaa]

Apparently Admin forgot to postpone the turn for me? and i missed crucial turn 2... Can I request a roll-back please?

[K]

Apparently Admin forgot to postpone the turn for me? and i missed crucial turn 2... Can I request a roll-back please?

Crap. Ok, I'll roll back.

[gotchaaa]

Thx, K! I love you =)

[Revolution]

You're almost definitely going to want to push back hosting more than that...if this game hosts in 9 hours there are going to be alot of people caught by surprise by the rollback who will stale...which out of fairness would cause another rollback and that's a headache no one wants. I'd probably tack on another 12 hours to get everyone back on track.

[AreaOfEffect]

So... as of the previous night my turn was in and everything was in order. I check today to find not one but three messages about DarkHeavens in my mailbox. Indeed, I was unable to resubmit my turn for turn 2 round 2.

A few weird things happened as a result. First, my army still attacked the province I had targeted on turn 2, however, they used the battle arrangement from turn 3, which was optimized for the foe I was facing in those respective turns. Sure enough, I lost more units this go round then last. Now my expansion is less then what was going to be. This bothers me.

However, that's not the weird thing. Apparently I also managed to obtain extra units that I did not have from the previous version of the turn. I'm up one Auger Elder and one Principle. That said, I should probably not complain about the less the optimal expansion.

None-the-less, roll backs should not be taken lightly and avoided whenever possible. Just a comment for future reference. Also, rollbacks need to be given just as much time as any other turn.

Edit: Other things to note. A side-by-side comparison of the respective graphs for each version of the turn shows that Ulm's income has been decreased substantially while Arcosophale has a dramatic improvement. Arcosophale also has a tremendous increase in units in this version as well. There are other little fluctuations, but those are the most notable.

[Torin]

Nagot Gick Fel. :confused:
I received turns 2 & 3. And Im roughly at the same point as yesterday.
(Could have been a good random event to make things more intresting)

[licker]

After a roll back you need to delete all the files in your game folder. Not doing so can lead to some issues with playing your next turn.

Otherwise it sounds like the game glitched somehow.

[GrudgeBringer]

You mentioned Arco's gain in money and men...

I had forgotton on turn 2 to set taxes at 170 while taking my first province...and setting my prophet.

With the rollback I set it at 170 thus the money.

I had a 'Event' happen that said a lot of lowborn soldiers ect ect joined the cause....They where about 30 of the same Inf I start with...so now I am back to being happy with the restart in the first place..sigh

I agree, I just happened to be on the forum when I saw that they wnated to roll it back.

There was no discussion or whether in fact they where going to do it.

This morning before I went to the gym I checked and got a message that it was going to post in 6 hours..I got luckey or I would have staled.

I did NOT delete all the old files which may account for me getting a whole army as an event...(maybe I will get one EVERY turn:p).

We have to have a discussion with a game this big before we just roll back, start over, or attack me:D

just an opinion...:up:

[K]

Ok, considering that the roll-back just glitched a bunch of people, I'll assume we don't need a discussion to roll-back again.

Sigh. I have never had so much trouble with a game before.

[Revolution]

this is getting a little silly

[BigDisAwesome]

Well I'm guilty of not deleting the all the files. I just overwrote the .trn file. I'll make sure to do it right this time...

[Juffos]

Get on with it...
...please...

[GrudgeBringer]

Arrrgggghhhhhhhhhhh, we are rolling it back agian?

I don't want to seem like i'm complaining TOO much but we restarted when I had an excellent spot to a place where I have no Provinces backed up agianst the water (your right, I knew it was a random map). But I paid my dollar and took my chance...then had to take another chance after I won.

Then I am semi happy with start (although 1 turn behind everyone) and we have a rollback that could have been a stale if I hadn't have been lucky...BUT got some benifits that might put me on even keel.

Now...we need to roll it back agian?

Are you saying that the game is messed up NOW and in the future because some of us just rolled the turn over the old one without deleting the file...OR, its messed up for the rest of the game....OR your not sure.

I don't claim to know a darn thing about the way this works...it is just taxing in a a game this big that you get put behind the 8 ball and wiggle out and then a re-do puts you right back there...twice!!:doh::confused:

[GrudgeBringer]

If we are rolling it back, lets just RE-START or I promise you SOMEONE will not do it right and we will be on turn 3 or 4 for 2 weeks!!

[AreaOfEffect]

GrudgeBringer, I'm sure we can get it right given the turn delay. As much as you want to start over, I'm sure there are some who don't. The same as when the first rollback occurred. You have to understand the position your putting K in. Attempting to make him do something that forces action on his part only places him in a more stressful situation.

I'll tell you what. My position is rather good. I'll float you some money when I have some available.

K, I myself was not calling for a roll back the second time. This is one of those situations were there is no possible way to please everyone and you must understand that. Knowing that this is one of those times means that your damned if you do and damned if you don't. Given all things being equal, my rule-of-thumb is to do the simplest of all possible actions, which in this case is to just leave it be.

One final note. This game can proceed as fast as the last person to submit a turn. If we all make it a point to submit our turns when we can, we can move this right along spite the annoying delays.

[K]

OK, the second roll-back is because the first roll-back basically caused half of the players to stale. That's bad form.

I've mulled it over and I think we should just play on from now. If someone has travel plans or something you should get a temp sub. We have too many players to delay for any one person.

[GrudgeBringer]

K, That IS the one reason to roll it back and I can understand that. If I hadn't got up at 5 AM to go to the gym and decide to check messages in another game and just run by this one...I would have staled also.My ranting has/had nothing to do with the Admin of the game nor directed at anyone personally.It is that the size of the game means you need to get off to a good start...I had a great start and someone HIJACKS the game (twice).I just wanted to whine for a moment as I have NEVER had a start with 7 Provinces around my Capitol.I was trying to play catch up and was doing reasonably well when someone asked for a delay and someone didn't see it and we rolled it back...Lo and BEHOLD, there is a dominions God and he likes me...I get a whole dang army for free and NOW my friends ...be skeeered, be very a skeeered as I can expand comfortably in 2 directions:D.AND THEN...AND THEN, that tricky Dominios God said it was just a dream and took my army from me.:doh:So I (LOL) lobbied (read that...begging) that maybe we should just start over...:eek:So I have had my say and I thank you for the offer of money...but I can't be bought that cheap ( but for 100 Earth Gems... SOLD!!)Good luck all, lets go see what the new start has in store for me THIS time, you never know maybe I have opened the Tartarian Gate!!:p

[GrudgeBringer]

(Sigh) I can't even post correctly, I was previewing and then hit submit and it ran it all together.

I think this is going to be a loooong game for me....

[AreaOfEffect]

(Sigh) I can't even post correctly, I was previewing and then hit submit and it ran it all together.

I think this is going to be a loooong game for me....

▼ There is an edit button available for 30 minutes after you post. ▼

[GrudgeBringer]

Thank you

[Revolution]

Just waiting on Tien Chi and Neifelheim, lets get this game back on track!

[hEad]

K, That IS the one reason to roll it back and I can understand that. If I hadn't got up at 5 AM to go to the gym and decide to check messages in another game and just run by this one...I would have staled also.My ranting has/had nothing to do with the Admin of the game nor directed at anyone personally.It is that the size of the game means you need to get off to a good start...I had a great start and someone HIJACKS the game (twice).I just wanted to whine for a moment as I have NEVER had a start with 7 Provinces around my Capitol.I was trying to play catch up and was doing reasonably well when someone asked for a delay and someone didn't see it and we rolled it back...Lo and BEHOLD, there is a dominions God and he likes me...I get a whole dang army for free and NOW my friends ...be skeeered, be very a skeeered as I can expand comfortably in 2 directions:D.AND THEN...AND THEN, that tricky Dominios God said it was just a dream and took my army from me.:doh:So I (LOL) lobbied (read that...begging) that maybe we should just start over...:eek:So I have had my say and I thank you for the offer of money...but I can't be bought that cheap ( but for 100 Earth Gems... SOLD!!)Good luck all, lets go see what the new start has in store for me THIS time, you never know maybe I have opened the Tartarian Gate!!:p

Now this here, is a great example of how to whine properly!:D

I think we can safely say that the stalls and roll backs have been a pain to us all, but i'm sure it'll be all systems go from here. It shouldn't surprise that a game this size may fall foul of the occasional admin error.

It won't be long before we are complaining about a new set of ingame issues - trecherous double crossers for instance... Hang in there Grudgebringer, a game of Dominions is about managing the ups and downs!

[Dark Kitty]

Hello

I have to go back home and drop the games I'm in (I can't take my computer). I'm sorry to warn so late (and after having already stalled one or two turns) but something unexpected came up and I forgot a bit about the games I'm in.

There is no password on my pretender, do as you see fit :) (it is possible that I will be available again in a week or so if no sub has been found yet...)

Have fun,

[Juffos]

Alright, Kailasa killed my wyrm with some bless troops, and is blocking my expansion because my amphibian troops will never be able to fight against them. I am stuck in the corner with three deep sea provinces.

I am going to put myself to AI, neither players nor subs deserve a position like this. It would be a really boring game for me.

[AreaOfEffect]

My sympathies Juffos.

[hEad]

Alright, Kailasa killed my wyrm with some bless troops, and is blocking my expansion because my amphibian troops will never be able to fight against them. I am stuck in the corner with three deep sea provinces.

I am going to put myself to AI, neither players nor subs deserve a position like this. It would be a really boring game for me.

Why don't you take over T'ien Ch'i?

[Tyrant]

And if not, let's AI TC ASAP and get rolling.

[hEad]

And if not, let's AI TC ASAP and get rolling.


+1 ...

[K]

I'm AIing TC (...if I can. The admin option doesn't actually exist).

Shame to see you go Jeffos. Better luck next game.

[hEad]

K, check your PM.

[Fickle]

Kailasa has signed a NAP3 with Ulm, effective turn 6.

One a side note this is shaping up to be an interesting game. Four turns in and I've already had my capitol seized and killed a pretender.

[GrudgeBringer]

BigandScary (Mictlan) Check your PM's:up:

[GrudgeBringer]

Mictlan and Arco have reached an agreement for a NAP3 starting on turn 6. We agree that Turn 1 will be the turn AFTER the Nap is broken.

Peace has broken out on the Western Front!!!:D

[rdonj]

Hello darkheavensians. I'm taking over control of Tir na N'og temporarily while licker is away. If you need anything in the meantime feel free to pm me. I generally have a good response time.

[GrudgeBringer]

Licker ahhhh, errrr, promised me (yeah thats it) all gems he receives until he returns....really.

Thank you for the quick response time on this sir (Oh Yeah...he said to not say anything about it to him when he returns as it would just bum him out).

[rdonj]

Oh he did?! What a terrible oversight not spelling that out to me in his pms about the game. I will correct this matter at once! I'll just have to bring his tartarian back to the captial first, it has most of the gems.

Actually I've been playing pretty slowly for me, I wanted to be very careful with his turns and there was a bit of an unfortunate diplomatic scuffle on the exact turn he left ;)

[BigandScary]

I would like to formally announce a NAP3 between Mictlan and Sauromatia.

That is all

[GrudgeBringer]

Tir A Nog amd Arco announce a NAP3 on turn 8

[GrudgeBringer]

Helheim and Arco announce a NAP3 on turn 9

[licker]

hehe...

Well good to see my 'friends' trying to take advantage of me ;)

Don't worry though, my memory is as long as this game is short :p

[rdonj]

Licker is back by the way, and I'm still receiving game email. It looks like I'm going to have to play another turn to make sure he doesn't stale. Can licker please be set as the recipient of emails for this game? :)

[K]

Changed.

[BigDisAwesome]

Mictlan and Ulm now have a 3 turn NAP in effect.

[hEad]

Marverni is spent - I bid you farewall. Thanks for the game!

[Revolution]

Atlantis and Mictlan have entered into a NAP3

[Amonchakad]

Fickle - check your PMs, please :D

[Revolution]

Atlantis and Ulm have entered into a NAP3

[AreaOfEffect]

Ermor has agreed to a 3 round NAP offered by Kailasa.

Ermor has agreed to a 3 round NAP offered by Niefelheim.

[licker]

If everyone is napping is anyone actually awake?????

[AreaOfEffect]

As in an awake pretender? Yeah, about four of us had an awake pretender. I'm sure more out there now that the first year is up.

[GrudgeBringer]

Arco and Sauro agree to a Nap10 on turn 13

[K]

Marverni is spent - I bid you farewall. Thanks for the game!

Thanks for playing!

[Alpine Joe]

Niefelheim is looking to trade for earthy gems. I will trade water, fire, or death gems or a combination thereof for earth gems at a 1:1 or close ratio.

[BigDisAwesome]

Ulm has NAP's with the following

3 turn with Sauromatia
5 turn with Fomoria
3 turn with Atlantis

I got real sick through the week and never got around to posting these from the last week of PMs. Also once I get things going I'll open up the forge shop. Stay tuned for more details.

[licker]

I am pleased to announce that Tir na n'og has only one Nap and is actually attacking someone else (sorry Ossa, didn't want it to be you like in our last game, but meh, my position is so crapped up I had to do something).

Sheesh, from the looks of things this is some kind of builders game...

;)

[AreaOfEffect]

I would say the number of NAPs is standard. Most people average about 5 neighbors. Most people like security and will ask for an average of 3 NAPs. With 14 players in this game that would put us at about 21 NAPs. That doesn't sound like a lot, but it looks like a lot when each one is received one at a time via message board posts.

[Ossa]

Let it be known that Tir broke his NAP with Helheim. Once our armies return from TienChi we shall deal with his incursion.

[licker]

There was no NAP between Helheim and Tir as far as I can tell.

The message my sub sent me was...

"He's [Helheim] told me to not treat it as though there's an nap between us, so I'm pretty sure it's out"

I certainly never had any direct discussions with you, and while I did tell rdonj to accept a nap if you offered one, from his message on the subject it appeared to me that there was indeed no nap.

In any case, what's done is done, if I broke a deal then I broke it unknowingly. I should have asked for clarification in all likelyhood, but from my discussions during my absence the plan was to push north all along.

[Tyrant]

Fomoria and Sauromatia have a three turn NAP.

[rdonj]

For clarification. Later on after the cause had been abandoned I received a message from helheim which implied that he had spoken to licker and that there was an nap. Since this clearly did not happen, there was no nap to be broken as I never implicitly agreed to one.

[Ossa]

I'm sorry, but that is simply not true.

I've lost track of whom I was speaking to in the game, but there was clearly a discussion... ok. Your point.

There was never a verbal acceptance of a NAP from you, though we had 3 pm's about it.

Sorry for shouting before thinking - you're right.

[licker]

That's ok, ossa, I know there had been some discussion of it, and honestly I wasn't 100% sure, which is why I should have double checked with you once I was back.

I guess my mind was just stuck in how to extract myself from the crappy position I found myself in and I didn't think to do the right thing as ask for clarification. Though I was ultimately 'right' I still feel 'wrong' about my choice, but as I say, I had no 'right' choice in any case.

[Revolution]

Atlantis is looking for astral pearls. I will trade earth gems or water gems for them.

[AreaOfEffect]

3 round NAP between Ulm and Ermor.

[GrudgeBringer]

I am moving on Weds (2/25/09) and my comp will be down for 1 day.

Could I ask for a 24 hour delay afer the next turn...as long as its on quickhost I may be up and running before the delay eeven happens...

[K]

I'm currently being double-teamed by Sauromatia and Fomoria directly on the heels of my successful war with Marverni. That means I'll be out soon.

Who wants to take over as admin.?

[K]

Ok, Torin is the new admin, and he has the password.

Good luck everyone!

[hEad]

I'm currently being double-teamed by Sauromatia and Fomoria directly on the heels of my successful war with Marverni. That means I'll be out soon.

Who wants to take over as admin.?

Thats a damned shame K - should have taken me up on my offer! ;)

Go Sauromatia and Fomoria!

[AreaOfEffect]

Ermor is willing to trade away several of their fire gems. PM me for offers.

[Revolution]

Atlantis is looking to acquire an eye shield, an amulet of resilience(or boots of the messenger), and a bunch of astral pearls...or any of the above. I have nature, death, water and earth gems to trade for the above as well as any number of items that might suit your fancy.

[Revolution]

Still looking for the above...I have dwarven hammers, everyone loves dwarven hammers! Water gems aplenty!

[AreaOfEffect]

Still giving away fire gems for anything else.

[GrudgeBringer]

Is Abysia still a viable player?

I sent him a PM letting him know to check the forums but did not send an e-mail.

He has 6 provinces so I just wondered if he was coming back?

We are waiting on him to get started agian and honestly I am not sure if we have any MIAs or not.

[AreaOfEffect]

Abysia has staled 3 times out of the last 4 turns. If the llamaserver's drive space issue hadn't set the hosting times back, he would have staled once again by now. 4 stales our of 5 is horrendous. If this was a game I was hosting, he would automatically be set to AI.

[GrudgeBringer]

I agree, lets get someone to set him AI and lets get rolling...

I have a war to lose!!!:p

[Amonchakad]

Guys,it's Abysia here.
Sorry for the long stale,for most of the last 4-5 days I had a bad sickness(don't know how it's called in english)so i was forced to stay in bed most of the time.Now I should be able to resume playing.I've looked at my nation's situation and it doesn't look so bad;if you don't mind,I'd like to continue:)

[licker]

I don't mind, hope you are feeling better!

[GrudgeBringer]

No problem here...sorry to hear you where sick, Welcome Back!!:D

[GrudgeBringer]

Speaking of which you Cheaters!!!

I saw that 6 of you cheated this turn (I tried my best but couldn't figure out how to get a free cheat done in time).

[GrudgeBringer]

Seriously, How long will the game say people are cheating and what criteria is it that the game is erroneously picking up on it?

[BigDisAwesome]

haHA

You've all been bamboozled!

[Revolution]

Seriously, How long will the game say people are cheating and what criteria is it that the game is erroneously picking up on it?

If I were to guess, it would be people who sent in patched game files before the server had patched...or vice versa. Likely this will have been the only turn you will see it.

Edit - upon further review it seems to be an issue with 3.23 that happens with forging that is fixed in the now released 3.23b patch

[GrudgeBringer]

So go ahead and D/L the 3.23b patch now?

[gotchaaa]

Sauromatia is trading D and W gems for S gems =)

[licker]

I will be gone from March27th through the 30th and am hopeful that everyone would be ok with a pause over that time.

My position is odd enough that I'd not like to hand it off to a sub, though I will try to find one if the pause is rejected.

[GrudgeBringer]

A Pause is OK with me, lets try and get a turn in on the 26th and then postpone until he gets back.

[licker]

There's a storm moving in on the 26th so we may leave that evening after work, meaning I won't be able to get in a turn if there is one available to play then.

Sorry for the potential extra delay, but well, not much I can do about it :p

[GrudgeBringer]

so...are we having a delay?:confused:

[AreaOfEffect]

Licker submitted his turn, so not yet. After this turn.

[GrudgeBringer]

OK, thats good....I will have mine in too before I head for Oklahoma..:D

[gotchaaa]

Sauromatia is trading W and D gems for S gems, please send PM =)

[licker]

So much for the delay :p

Ahh well, not like it cost me anything other than recruiting and some forging.

I can't get another turn in until tomorrow, but I don't think thats a problem anyway.

[licker]

grr...

well this stale is going to force me to take some drastic actions.

you have been warned!

[GrudgeBringer]

I would like to ask for a delay this weekend Friday 4/3 thru Sunday 4/5. If we could get a turn in Thursday evening or EARLY Friday I will complete it and we would only have to postpone 1 day.

I see Licker asked last week and didn't get a delay, but we are getting to the point in the game that every turn is important.

I would appreciate a response to my request...

Thanks:up:

[Tyrant]

You should PM ano as well as posting here.

[AreaOfEffect]

...but we are getting to the point in the game that every turn is important.

Sure, some turns are much bigger deals then others, but I just can't wrap my head around idea that there are unimportant turns.

[Revolution]

You should PM ano as well as posting here.

I think K is the admin of this game unless there has been a substitution I'm unaware about.

Edit, it's Torin as indicated below

[GrudgeBringer]

I thought K got knocked out and Torin took it over (there was a post about it). I PM'd Torin so hopefully he will get back to me.

[GrudgeBringer]

I have got an extension from the other 3 games I am in...

However, this game is the most advanced and its at a time that a lot of things are happening.

I have sent a PM to Torin and posted twice on here.

I need an extension starting Tomorrow Morning Friday 4/3 and lasting until Sunday evening 4/5.

Could I please have some kind of verifacation that the admin has at keast looked at his PM's or this forum.

Thanks..GrudgeBringer Arco

[Torin]

OK. I received the message. The game hosted now and im delaying the host.
Hosting Sunday 23:10

[GrudgeBringer]

Arco cancels the Nap with Mictlan on turn 40.

In appliance with our terms Turn 41 counts as turn 1.

Hostilities (if any) may commence on turn 44.

[BigandScary]

So, anybody want to come to the aid of Mictlan, the peaceful victim of the Arco war machine? I call on the nations of the world to come to the aid of a quiet and decent people. Kill the Arco warmomgers.

[Revolution]

Arco and Atlantis enter into a NAP 3

[GrudgeBringer]

Arco and Ulm have entered into a Nap3

[BigandScary]

Can we get an extension on the next turn? I will be submitting this one soon, but could I will be gone until Monday, so I would like to request a delay of turn 42 completion to next Tuesday.

[GrudgeBringer]

Fomoria and Arco entered a Nap3

[BigDisAwesome]

Aren't we supposed to be delaying this weekend for Mictlan? (BigandScary)

[licker]

Aren't we supposed to be delaying this weekend for Mictlan? (BigandScary)

It would be nice if we did, even if I'm in the process of eating his easter brunch :)

Also...

Tir is interested in some dealings with any blood nation with blood slaves to spare, we can do alot of things to you... err for you in exchange :)

[BigandScary]

well, I guess that didn't work. also, if Tir wanted blood slaves he shouldn't have invaded a blood nation.

[licker]

Now are you saying that you don't have any blood slaves? Or that you don't want to trade some to me ;)

I should have invaded Arco, but that would have been suicide on my part, and he doesn't have any blood slaves either.

Anyway, my Shides are quite charming. :)

[BigandScary]

One Sidhe army down, glamour keeps me from knowing how many to go.

[gotchaaa]

Sorry guys, I have to go biz trip tomorrow, tonight i have to pack for the trip. I believe I will have internet access as soon as I settle in the hotel. So could you please postpone the hosting by 24 hours? Thanks!

[Revolution]

Sorry guys, I have to go biz trip tomorrow, tonight i have to pack for the trip. I believe I will have internet access as soon as I settle in the hotel. So could you please postpone the hosting by 24 hours? Thanks!

You should PM torin as well since asking for delays in the game thread with this game has been a bit touch and go.

[licker]

One Sidhe army down, glamour keeps me from knowing how many to go.

Yep, we are endless, potentially ;)

Though I was a bit miffed at the spell choices made by my idiot mages, but hey, that's why we don't pay them more upkeep.

[BigandScary]

What were you looking for?

[licker]

What were you looking for?

Anything other than the useless banish they kept on trying.

Though I think I was screwed anyway, not enough artillery in that fight.

Fortunately I can run away and hide for a while now :)

[AreaOfEffect]

I'd like to request that Abysia be set to AI if they stale again, which they are likely to do in about an hour. They have staled 6 times this game and 2 of those were the most recent turns. I've got them in a rather tight position and I expect that the player doesn't want play out their demise.

If set to AI Abysia would at least put up some sort of fight rather then being a lamb at the slaughter house. It would also help move these turns along a little faster.

[GrudgeBringer]

I agree....

If someone wants out and they are conored I would rather see the AI at least tie someone uo a few turns than give themm free reign.:up:

[licker]

I hate to say it like this, but this game needs to move to a 72h schedule or I will have to withdraw from it.

Can I get an amen?

To it moving to a 72h schedule, not to me withdrawing...

[Revolution]

I hate to say it like this, but this game needs to move to a 72h schedule or I will have to withdraw from it.

Can I get an amen?

To it moving to a 72h schedule, not to me withdrawing...

I vote we hold out until turn 50 (4 more turns) but if it's necessary for you to get this extra time right away then we may as well do it now since having a good sized nation drop out would suck.

[GrudgeBringer]

I would rather move to a 72 hour also...I am Traveling almost every weekend playing Rugby now that the weather has turned.

I could live with waiting till turn 50 but I also don't want to see a fairly big Nation go AI.

Sooooooooooo, I say AMEN:D

[licker]

I hate to say it like this, but this game needs to move to a 72h schedule or I will have to withdraw from it.

Can I get an amen?

To it moving to a 72h schedule, not to me withdrawing...

I vote we hold out until turn 50 (4 more turns) but if it's necessary for you to get this extra time right away then we may as well do it now since having a good sized nation drop out would suck.

Well considering I just staled due to my own time pressure I'd rather do it now, things are only getting more busy for me as all the kids spring sports have started up and I've been enlisted to help coach.

Indeed I'm bailing on one other game already (though it's far less advanced or interesting than this one) because I can put in turns, but I can't put in good turns, so I'd rather just hand it off to someone else.

[Revolution]

I recommend sending a PM to torin asking for the new hosting schedule...I'm not sure how often he checks the game thread.

[Torin]

postponed 24 hs

hosting interval: 72 hs

[AreaOfEffect]

The end result is a postponement of 48 hours. The llamaserver assumes that adjusting the host interval also adjusts the interval of the current turn. However, it would now be bad form or correct the little mistake.

*Goes off to twiddle his thumbs for another 2 days as Abysia still isn't set to AI*

[Torin]

Regarding Abysia. Obviously hes not playing. If everyone agrees I will have to ask someone outside the game to turn him AI.
Who could that be?

[AreaOfEffect]

Any of the regulars will likely help out in this regard. Your best bet to hop onto the IRC channel for Dominions and ask for a volunteer. Information about the channel can be found in the Dominions FAQ and IRC thread (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=33869).

[Torin]

ok jurri turned abysia to AI.

[GrudgeBringer]

GOOD JOB!!!

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh BTW, could you turn the guy I am at war with to AI too (just for a few turns would be fine):p

[Torin]

sure, 7 virgins for 7 days.

[GrudgeBringer]

If I was gonna give up 7 virgins for 7 Days I would give to my enemy Pretender....He might have a Heart attack and it would be done with!!:D

[AreaOfEffect]

We haven't really had a whole lot of smack talking in this game. That's really disappointing since I find it to be one of my favorite parts of this game. I guess I only have myself to blame for not starting things early. Better late then never I guess.

My fellow Ermorians and I are slightly insulted that the forces sent by Argatha amounts to what they assume to be a threat to our mighty empire. I seriously hope there will be more to it then what they have offered up to our graveyards so far. We have decided that it would only be sportsmanlike to devote only a fraction of what we have to offer as well.

If by chance they manage to strike down our elders with their pitiful little band, they will rise again more powerful then you can ever imagine. Good fortune to you, though good fortune is much more then what you will need.

[BigDisAwesome]

Well it seems I forgot to offer my forge capabilities up to the public.

I can forge most items. If you're looking for something drop me a PM and we can discuss prices. I don't have any set prices, as I'm willing to deal if you have a gem type I could use. Just drop me a PM and we'll start the barter.

[gotchaaa]

Hi guys. I am still on business trip, and I barely had time to play... Now tonight I　have to work overtime, and it could be possible I could stall... Could admin please delay the turn by 6 hours? I am sure I could return to my hotel and finish by then. Thanks!

[Torin]

I fear i read this too late. but nobody staled. good.

[Tyrant]

I got a little wierdness going on. I got the "dead prophets power has left.." message a couple of turns back and i now have the option to appoint a new, but my original is not dead. Anyone else seeing game glitches?

[Torin]

That never happened to me. In fact ive never heard of such instance.
Its not in the bugs short list.
keep a copy of the save. maybe it will be useful to Edi.

[AreaOfEffect]

I haven't seen this, but it has been reported recently. sansanjuan made note of it: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=685996&postcount=2648

Edi thinks the problem might be do to a fix related to dead prophets not triggering the ability to reappoint a prophet. A sort of over-correction most likely.

[GrudgeBringer]

I need an extension of 24 hours tacked on to the end of our next turn as I will be out of town until late Sunday.

Thank you,,,please confirm (Arco)

[GrudgeBringer]

I have also PM'd Torin...

Since we have had some issues on this could I please have a confirmaton on the extension as I am in the middle of a war and a stale in this situation isn't what I need.:re:

[Torin]

Postponed 24 hs

[BigDisAwesome]

Um. I thought he needed the 24 hours tacked on the next turn. Not this one.

[GrudgeBringer]

I do need 24 tacked on the NEXT turn...

If Sauro would have got his turn in I might of been able to get this turn in before I left in 8 Hours.

However, I will need at lEAST 12 hours and most likely 24 on the NEXT turn if Sauro takes it to the very end of the turn.

If quickhost is on I will get it done as fast as I can when I get back.

Thanks...I will PM Torin as I don't think he reads these forums much:up:

[GrudgeBringer]

It is turn 53 and I respectfully dissolve the Nap I have made with Fomotia.

As I give it effective turn 53 Hostilities will commence on turn 56 unless we agree to an earlier date.

Arco

[GrudgeBringer]

I have the most recent turn (as of Friday the 15 in...I may need a 24 hour for the NEXT turn as I am leaving town.

I have talked to Torin already and he said "ok

[BigDisAwesome]

So...it didn't work. Can we try rehosting it once or twice to make sure it won't work? I'm not really looking forward to redoing my entire turn.

[GrudgeBringer]

OK...I am leaving at 6AN CST USA tomorrow morning dor 5 days.

I was going to work on this turn all day and get it sent in and ask for an extension till tuesday for the NEXT turn.

So before I ry and load the turn that just came in....are you saying that it doesn't take, it staled, what?

If we don't get this resolved REAL soon then I will need an extension till tuesday on THIS turn (57 I think) if it doesn't work.

Let me ask this....If EVERONE stales then unless your starving somewhere it should have no effect on wars, or anything else should it?

Let me know guys...:doh:

[GrudgeBringer]

Sorry for the E-mail with all the errors, I am trying to do 5 things at once...:doh::doh::(

[GrudgeBringer]

BTW, once I receive a turn notifacation that its received I delete the present turn as I can always add to it ect once its turned in....I DON'T have turn 57 anymore.

Someone would have to send it to me agian.

[BigDisAwesome]

I think Llamaserver keeps a copy of all the .2h files that were sent in. So all we'd have to do is a manual rollback then a manual force host.

Who's the admin for this game again?

[GrudgeBringer]

Torin is admin but he doesn't check the forums much or his PM's so I email him. You might want to do that or I am going to raise all kinds of H@ll if I have to stale.

I really am trying to pack, work and get this dang turn in all at once!!!

This game is driving me crazy...

BTW PM me and let me know what is happenong in your part of the worldas it will affect my next turn.:up:

[BigDisAwesome]

Drop me a PM with Torin's email if you don't have time to drop him a line.

[AreaOfEffect]

I'm sure I'm the one that caused the failure since I'm the one that staled even though I submitted a turn file. (I've got a confirmation e-mail from llamaserver to show for it.) If you roll back and force hosting before I have a chance to redo my turn, the game will fail again.

[BigDisAwesome]

Then we could roll back, then you could try submitting your turn again, and then force host.

It's worth a shot. I don't care much for everyone staling a turn.

Paging Torin!

[GrudgeBringer]

Go back in this thread to where Torin has been on. You either Right Click or left click ( I forget) on the part that says 'Online' or 'Not Online'.

Hit view public profile and it will have "send a privite mwssage and in some it will also have send an E-mail" (Depends on how you set it up), Just click on that (Mine is set up the same way...it doesn't give you the E-mail address...just sends one with yours to respond).

Send him a PM AND an E-mail AND put it in the forum to back yourself up if je doesn't see it or respond.

He doesn't say much....just "OK" in the few instances I have contacted him.

iF we get it done fairly soon I will start working on my turn and will stay up until I can get it done but I will need a EXTENSION on the NEXT turn till Tuesday (though if he sets it on quickhost there is a chance we won't make the finals and I may be back a little earlier and can keep us on schedule).

If NOT then I WII just need an extension till Tuesday on this turn...there is just no way around it as I told everyone earlier.

ALSO, PM me with your Info, plans what ever... PLEASE.

Hope this helps ...let me know what we are doing.

[GrudgeBringer]

Ok to make this clear to evryone.

I have Pm'd Torin and explained the situation.

I am leaving town Tommorow morning at 6 am CST USA time and will be back Monday evening.

I had asked that the NEXT turn (58) have an extension to Tuesday with it still set on quick host in case we don't make the finals.

With this screwup we have 2 options...everyone gets a stale or we ALL redo turn (57) and HOPE (according to Lama) that it works.

If we are going to redo the turn anyway what difference does a stale make IF we all have it.

Regardless, At this point I am requesting (and have told Torin) that I will need an extension until Tuesday. I MAY have limited access to a comp and could get my turn in on time.

But I need the Extension just the same in case.

What bothers me right now is that only Bigdisawesome and myself have either noticed this or have a comment.

Also I will need turn 57 sent to me as I have deleted it once I got a received message to save space on my E-mail list.

Sorry guys, I am stressed trying to get eveything done so I can get a little sleep and be ready to play tomorrow.

Grudge

[Revolution]

Doesn't really matter too much to me weather we roll back or run with it. Sounds like we're gonna have an all weekend pause anyway so we'll have plenty of time to discuss it.

[GrudgeBringer]

What I need is the discussion to get discussed so I know what I need to do IF I can access a computer.

Otherwise I will be back and have about 12 hours to do my turn WHATEVER we do....

This game is one of the best I have played and I want it to comtinue.

It just seems at this stage of the game any thing that gord wrong has a BIG imppact on the turns and what you scripted.

I just was lobbying for us to continue with the stale as if everyone staled there was a 'No harm No foul' to it.

That was until I loaded the game and saw the things that had happened because it DID stale.

Sigh...I guess I don't really care, lets just do something.:eek:

[BigDisAwesome]

I sent K a PM to see if he remembers the PW. If I get it, I'll try rolling back the current turn. If that happens you won't need the old turn GrudgeBringer.
See here.
http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=DarkHeavens&action=rollback

Hopefully if AoE resubmits his turn it'll work and the turn we all did already will work.

[BigDisAwesome]

However, I'm off to work for at least the next 8-9 hours. But we won't let you stale Grudge. It's too late in the game not to give extensions to prevent stales.

[Tyrant]

I'm sure I'm the one that caused the failure since I'm the one that staled even though I submitted a turn file. (I've got a confirmation e-mail from llamaserver to show for it.) If you roll back and force hosting before I have a chance to redo my turn, the game will fail again.

Everyone staled 'cause Llamaserver unloaded the turns and tried again with blanks after the game crashed. I kinda think it may be my fault, after getting errors in an SP game i realized that i had downloaded the "b" version of the last patch but never installed it, so i did so. I did do the turn over from the start after i updated, but maybe i should have re-downloaded it entirely. I've had a couple glitchy things happen this game before this- the prophet thing i mentioned earlier and two cases of false video tape in minor battles with Sauro. Perhaps these are due to my failure to patch properly, or perhaps there's something else entirely going on.

In any case i'm for holding up for as long as it takes to get this straightened out and make sure GB gets a chance to get his turn in. Possibly someone else who's a little more active on the forum could take over as admin?

@Grudgebringer - the Horror Harmonica attack was very amusing :D

@Big- Zoiks! That is a ferocious onslaught, I think I may be toast.

[Torin]

ok so we rollback to do turn 57 again??

[BigDisAwesome]

Yes, but if it doesn't work we might have to try rolling back and having AoE and/or Tyrant resubmit their turns then try.

I don't mind taking care of it if you wanna pass off hosting duties.

[GrudgeBringer]

I still need a Extension till tuesday\

I didn't get to see the battle, never used it before.....did it do anything?

[AreaOfEffect]

I'm on stand-by, but honestly the whole issue isn't worth this much complicated fuss. Also, everyone should have an equal chance to rethink their turn in my opinion.

P.S.: Something about GrudgeBringer's writing style bothers me. The way he makes each sentence a paragraph makes it harder for me to get what he is saying. No offense, its just weird.

[BigDisAwesome]

So...are you gonna take care of it Torin?

[Torin]

rolled to 57. lets see how that works

[AreaOfEffect]

I've done my part. A new turn made form scratch.

[Revolution]

rolled to 57. lets see how that works

I think you will also need to delay hosting by a few days for Grudgebringer

[GrudgeBringer]

AOE, sorry if I confuse you with my writing style. I separate each point into a paragraph so that it's easier to scan for the points you want to pick out.

Thanks, Revolution. I have very limited access to a computer, and there is no way I can start turn 57 before I return on Monday evening. However, I will work diligently to get it completed ASAP (Tyrant...guess I won't use that horror harmonica trick again, huh?)

[BigDisAwesome]

Well if you submitted a turn 57 already, then the llamaserver still has it on file and will use it if I'm not mistaken. So really only people that might have had problems need to resubmit. AoE and maybe Tyrant. So if Tyrant get's his turn in before this hosts tomorrow then it should be good to go.

This text excerpt comes from the llamaserver...
Note that once the game is rolled back, it will appear that the game is waiting for 2h files from all players. However, the 2h files from last time the turn was played will in fact be there, and will be used if the game hosts without them being overwritten. This can be useful; often, a game is rehosted in order for only one or two players to retake their turns, while everyone else is expected to make no changes. The game admin can therefore wait till just those players have submitted, and then force hosting. None of the other players will stale (assuming they actually submitted a 2h file last time the turn was played).

So you'll still need an extension on the next turn, but you should be alright on this one.

[Tyrant]

I was thinking we were delaying till next week and I've got evening plans. Any chance we could delay for 8 hours so i can do my turn tomorrow morning instead of the middle of the night tonight?

[Tyrant]

NM, got it in, much easier the second time 'round.