Crimson Skies - Running

[chrispedersen]

Map: Cradle of Dominions.
AGE: Late
Mods: cCBM 1.44 (attached),
Host: Llama server. 24 for 20, 36 thereafter. Liberal delays on request.

I've been wanting to play LA-Ulm, MP forever. So, its time to start a game.

Notes:
A. cCBM1.44 attached. Changes are documented in the readme, the biggest changes were
the Freak Lord, Scorpion, and Skratti pretenders and bug fixes.. For ethical reasons I will not play any one of these pretenders. But take a look at them, I'm pretty pleased with them, I think they are nicely thematic.
B. Game is closed! Map suggestions please!
C. 48 hours for pretenders please!
D. Well, I'm still having problems with llamaserver (now it seems a bunch of people are too). But the Llama reset the server, and so the game is created. Sorry 'bout the map. Very few maps actually available for 11 people. Pangaea only went to 10.


LA-Arco------- qio
LA-Bogarus---- erios
LA-Caelum----- Juffos
LA-Ctis------- viccio
LA-Marignon--- FakeyMcFake
LA-Mictlan---- Zapmeister
LA-MidGuard--- Zeldor
LA-Pangaea---- Quitti
LA-Pythium---- Quell
LA-Tien Chi--- Incanabulous
LA-Utgard----- Alpine Joe
LA-Ulm ------- Chrispedersen

[Deadnature]

Sounds good Chris, assuming we are going late-age then put me down for LA C'tis

[Zapmeister]

The crimson skies are stained with blood, right?
I'll try Mictlan (prefer LA)

[Incabulos]

I would like a slice of LA Tien-Chi

[Fakeymcfake]

I'd like to play as well, LA Marignon for me.

I'd also like to keep it a LA game only.

[Zeldor]

Hmmm... I guess I could join one more. Either Midgard or Gath.

[Juffos]

I would like to play R'lyeh if underwater nation(s) are allowed. Caelum if they aren't.

[Quell]

I'd like to play LA Pythium please

[qio]

LA Arcoscephale

Links to map and mods might not be a bad idea.

[Zeldor]

Ok, I decided to go with Midgard.

P.S. Aren't skinshifters supposed to be cheaper in LA? 5 gold less? It was missed in CBM update?

[archaeolept]

it hasn't been cheaper in CBM for ages. for obvious reasons ;p

[Quitti]

I'd like to take LA Pangaea

[Alpine Joe]

Is there still room for me to get in as LA utgard?

[Fakeymcfake]

So wait, we're using a CBM version that isn't released yet?

[chrispedersen]

1.4 had a few bugs... it gave LA-Agartha a blind lord with 8 levels of air, for example. Still, 1.3 was great, 1.4 is even better, it just has a few kinks to be worked out.

[Klepto]

Ermor please, if there's still room.

Edit: On second thoughts, nevermind. I know LA Ermor is way overpowered and it seems you have enough players anyways. Have fun :)

[chrispedersen]

Ermor please, if there's still room.

Edit: On second thoughts, nevermind. I know LA Ermor is way overpowered and it seems you have enough players anyways. Have fun :)

I personally have no problem with LA-Ermor; without further comment by other players, I'd let you in. Expect to be jumped on = ).

[Zeldor]

You have ADD? I have already finished my pretender :)

[Fakeymcfake]

Eh, I'd be fine with LA-Ermor but yeah, expect to be at the bottom of a dog pile in short order.

[qio]

How bout all of those in favor of LA Ermor being in any MP game do the following. Each turn reduce your total income by 100 gold. Never spend this cash. Just look at it when you play your turn. Feel pride as your retirement fund grows (total = 100 * number of turn).

[chrispedersen]

Well, qio, the only think ermor makes you do is keep a high dominion. In my opinion, Ryalla is actually a much bigger threat.

But, so far it doesn't matter - he hasn't indicated a desire to play.

[qio]

Well, qio, the only think ermor makes you do is keep a high dominion. In my opinion, Ryalla is actually a much bigger threat.

But, so far it doesn't matter - he hasn't indicated a desire to play.

Opinions are great. In fact, almost everyone has one. I prefer statistics, because I disagree with you. That means "me right" and "you wrong". I'd say the only thing "Ryalla" makes you do is keep a high dominion, if you really think about it for a moment. And yes, I am always right due to my superior intellect.

And no, it is not that simple. However, feel free to design a nation around dom10. I hear it's all the craze. I could honestly care less which of those 2 nations is more dominant. I only noticed that someone inquired about playing the other - Ermor.

The point being? If you are 'sophisticated' enough to think it's cool having LA Ermor in the game, then place another handicap on your own game. Don't ruin it for someone else who gets stuck next to Ermor with a dom5 build and sleeping pretender. Cause, it blows and will likely be me.

[Fakeymcfake]

qio, chill out. It's just a game and right now you're coming off like an *** over a moot point.

[Juffos]

It is not actually that hard to keep hostile dominion out of your lands.

[chrispedersen]

Any preferences on map?
If we had 12, I'd go Wotg, but with 11.. Desert Eye?

[qio]

It is so cool you have an opinion Fakey. How bout keeping your comments to the game?

Never seen a dominion kill game Juffos? Not as hard as you think. I'd bet 2 cents that pretender design has a large role in the outcome. Course, it's the unending hordes of undead that usually kill you. Not the awake dom10 SC that strolls around, or is it?

[Fakeymcfake]

It is so cool you have an opinion Fakey. How bout keeping your comments to the game?

I'd give you the same advice. We're here to enjoy ourselves not to get a lecture from someone clearly not interested in anyone's opinion but their own. Please attempt to keep the flamebaiting out of game thread otherwise no one will be able to enjoy themselves.

And as to whatever comment I'm expecting you're going to post in response to this I frankly don't care, but on the off chance you want to move on from this and only post constructive criticism I'll happily forget this altercation if you are.

[Quitti]

No preference for map - as long as it's somewhat fair for everyone. (ie. 3 or more neighboring provinces for everyone)

[JimMorrison]

It is so cool you have an opinion Fakey. How bout keeping your comments to the game?

Never seen a dominion kill game Juffos? Not as hard as you think. I'd bet 2 cents that pretender design has a large role in the outcome. Course, it's the unending hordes of undead that usually kill you. Not the awake dom10 SC that strolls around, or is it?

I was going to stay out of this, but it's getting ridiculous.

Anyone who takes an SC pretender as Ermor is a n00b who is just going to roll one neighbor, and then lose in mid-end game. The only things Ermor needs from their pretender are summons/research/diversity/dominion. Not killing stuff.


And anyways, I really -hate- fighting LA Ermor as well. But it's easy enough to just say "if you allow LA Ermor, I'm finding a different game", and let everyone else choose. As it is, it just looks like you're pitching a fit, but you'll play anyways.

[qio]

I was going to stay out of this, but it's getting ridiculous.

Of course, but you couldn't help yourself could you?


Anyone who takes an SC pretender as Ermor is a n00b who is just going to roll one neighbor, and then lose in mid-end game. The only things Ermor needs from their pretender are summons/research/diversity/dominion. Not killing stuff.

Did that make your day to use "noob" in a sentence? I really am curious.

Again, this is totally irrelevant. There is no particular claim I am trying to make here other than dominion kill is a viable strategy.

If you want to discuss the pretender choices that Ermor has so vehemently. Then I'd say a lich with dom10 fits the criteria you state above and would work fine as an SC in early, mid or late game. And yes, even an SC pretender with no magic diversity, bad research and access to some summons is viable in mid and late game. The variance of the game can supplement a multitude of strategies - good or bad.

And anyways, I really -hate- fighting LA Ermor as well. But it's easy enough to just say "if you allow LA Ermor, I'm finding a different game", and let everyone else choose. As it is, it just looks like you're pitching a fit, but you'll play anyways.

Strange. That's what I originally said in my post. Am I missing something? Is the omission of a smiley making this appear vile and hostile? If you're an English Major maybe you could tell me where did I go wrong in this post? See below. I was going for a sarcastic tone here.

What makes you think I won't bail the moment someone picks Ermor?

How bout all of those in favor of LA Ermor being in any MP game do the following. Each turn reduce your total income by 100 gold. Never spend this cash. Just look at it when you play your turn. Feel pride as your retirement fund grows (total = 100 * number of turn).

[JimMorrison]

It's just that you're being a bit of a jerk over the whole thing. Let me clarify - nothing came off as sarcastic or joking, it just seemed bitter and hostile.

LA Ermor has lost plenty of MP games. Do they color the game they are in? Most definitely. Do they make the game some sort of ridiculous farce, that everyone should get red in the face about, as you seem to be? Well no, not really. No more than Lanka, or Niefelheim, or Hinnom/Ashdod.

Just calm down, eh? If you don't want to play in a game with them, fine, then state it clearly and move on. If someone asks to play Ermor, then the host can choose. If you don't like the thought that he isn't outright banning Ermor because of your sour attitude, then you can opt to join another game before it gets to that point.

How hard is it, really?

[Zeldor]

I'm ok with LA Ermor in the game, it could be a challenge, assuming it's not played by a veteran player.

And when are we starting? If you wanted map for 12 players, I guess it wouldn't be so hard to find 1 more.

[qio]

It's just that you're being a bit of a jerk over the whole thing. Let me clarify - nothing came off as sarcastic or joking, it just seemed bitter and hostile.

I wasn't joking. The first post was neutral in tone. Defiant? Sure. I think sarcastic. If someone is going to start crying over that, that is simply pathetic.

As for anything else in subsequent posts. You get what you ask for. For example, you wrote a lot of trash in your prior post; which had no direct relevance with anything in my post. I could care less for your tone. Your content was feeble. See below.


Anyone who takes an SC pretender as Ermor is a n00b

This statement is not true.

If you don't like the thought that he isn't outright banning Ermor because of your sour attitude, then you can opt to join another game before it gets to that point.

Yes, I think anyone that is cool with LA Ermor being in a game has no clue. I said that already. That is my opinion. Maybe the host will take that into consideration, maybe he won't. Feel free to be offended.

[JimMorrison]

Anyone who takes an SC pretender as Ermor is a n00b

This statement is not true.

Yes, actually it is. And no, a Lich does not qualify as an SC. A thug, sure, not an SC.


If you don't like the thought that he isn't outright banning Ermor because of your sour attitude, then you can opt to join another game before it gets to that point.

Yes, I think anyone that is cool with LA Ermor being in a game has no clue. I said that already. That is my opinion. Maybe the host will take that into consideration, maybe he won't. Feel free to be offended.

Shortly after getting here, I was in a game with LA Ermor. They had to drop the game, and somehow Micah ended up subbing. In case you don't know him, let me just say that we lost the game. I defiantly stated that I'd never play in a game with LA Ermor again. Then I got better at the game. Now I'm in a game with a less expert player who is playing LA Ermor, and they are not winning. I'm happy enough. Maybe you should just calm down and avoid games with LA Ermor until you get your confidence up.

LA Ermor should lose every single time on a wrap-around map, if the game is primarily composed of moderately experienced players.

Anyway, enjoy your game. Or not. I could care more, I just like reading Chris' threads. :p

< stalk > :shock:

[qio]

Anyone who takes an SC pretender as Ermor is a n00b

You're like an energizer bunny.

If you feel it is bad design to make an SC pretender for Ermor you can state that. I'll disagree with you on that just for the fun of it. Would this still hold in a 4 player game? How about 3 players?

No, your statement is false. Proof? The fact you think no-one, who you would define as an expert or good player, would ever make such a pretender for fun is your shortsightedness. Some people play for fun. New concept? You can also sub in mediocre for expert.

And no, a Lich does not qualify as an SC. A thug, sure, not an SC.

If you insist. Let's tango then.

I can build an SC from a lich. I'm sure there are others that can manage this feat as well. Do you have another definition for what you mean by an SC and/or Thug? I took those below from the strategywiki, as I'm lazy.

>> http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Dominions_3:_The_Awakening/Units/SC
>> http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Dominions_3:_The_Awakening/Units/Thug

The definition states that "In most cases gifted with lots of hitpoints". Does this have you confused? Lots of hitpoints are great. Comparing an SC lich to other builds, might reveal he is quite feeble. That is another matter. I think he can hold his own against a fair number of SC builds - certainly not all. Yes, he needs equipment. Luckily the definition states "outfitting SC's is a very popular occupation of many Dominions players". Also, as fortune would have it, a lich can fulfill one important criteria from the definition as well. Namely, "an SC can take weak defended provinces alone or annihilate smaller armies".

Let's see if we can get our facts straight on this point. Ball is in your court.


Shortly after getting here, I was in a game with LA Ermor.

...


Honestly. Don't care.

Maybe you should just calm down and avoid games with LA Ermor until you get your confidence up.

I'm perfectly calm. Amused is a better characterization. I especially love it how people make assumptions. I got quite a few about you. Would be a waste of time to share them over the internet though.

[chrispedersen]

bump

[JimMorrison]

Well you have fun with your 30hp Lifeless Undead SC. I am sure you'll get very far with that.

I'm sorry I assumed we were talking about serious play, with the intent to win. Someone who is doing a wonky build for "fun" is not going to be nearly so dangerous with LA Ermor, and so should not be so fearsome.

I was just trying to illustrate how easy it is to get discouraged by Ermor when you first start MP. You don't care, that's fine. Have fun pissing and moaning about the whole thing, it seems to be working out great.

[Fakeymcfake]

Alright, I think this thread has been derailed enough. I believe it best for everyone concerned that we simply drop it and keep any remaining discussion in this thread limited to topics directly pertaining to this game and leave any hypothetical debate for the general forum.

That being said, any word on what map we're going for? I'd prefer something with at least some water/mountains as I find that having some choke points on the map makes the game more interesting.

[Zapmeister]

That being said, any word on what map we're going for? I'd prefer something with at least some water/mountains as I find that having some choke points on the map makes the game more interesting.

According to the llamaserver, its Cradle and we're waiting for pretenders. I just uploaded mine now.

EDIT: Hmm - just saw that it says "Mods: none" ???

[qio]

Well you have fun with your 30hp Lifeless Undead SC. I am sure you'll get very far with that.

Yes. When equipped and armed with some spells he will do just fine. Maybe not the best SC that can be built to challenge other SC's, but certainly not the worst. It really comes down to game mechanics and a bit of luck. Die rolls and such. It's actually pretty complex.

I'm sorry I assumed we were talking about serious play, with the intent to win. Someone who is doing a wonky build for "fun" is not going to be nearly so dangerous with LA Ermor, and so should not be so fearsome.

I'd be more than willing to champion the notion of a lich as being a viable SC and build for Ermor. A build which also fits all your criteria for what Ermor needs in your opinion from a pretender.

I just wanted to show to you in the easiest way possible, how both your statements are false. These were:

1) Only a "noob" as you refer to them, would play Ermor with an SC as a pretender.

2) A lich is not an SC.

But, I guess your perception of what is "serious" play prohibits this.

I was just trying to illustrate how easy it is to get discouraged by Ermor when you first start MP. You don't care, that's fine. Have fun pissing and moaning about the whole thing, it seems to be working out great.

I know better. So, I don't care for that particular example you give. I don't believe I've been whiny about the issue. Depends if you think that stating an opinion is whining. Some people do that. Also, that would mean you've been quite vocal.

Frankly, all I did in my last post was prove how you made two invalid statements. And I agreed to argue the case for an SC as being a valid choice of pretender for Ermor - indirecly.

Good luck to you too.

[chrispedersen]

Guys, this is a thread for *CRIMSON SKIES*. Do not hijaak it. If you want to argue a head-to-head comparison for Ermor, please do it in another thread.

[Ballbarian]

[Moderation Mode]

I could not have said it any better than Fakeymcfake, so I will simply reiterate:

Alright, I think this thread has been derailed enough. I believe it best for everyone concerned that we simply drop it and keep any remaining discussion in this thread limited to topics directly pertaining to this game and leave any hypothetical debate for the general forum.


[/Moderation Mode]

Thanks! :)

[chrispedersen]

Caelum, Ctis, Midguard, and Pangaeia..
we're waiting on yoru pretenders...

[Juffos]

How come llamaserver shows the game has no mods activated, even though cCBM 1.44 was to be used? It is rather difficult to create a pretender not knowing whether to use CBM or not.

[llamabeast]

Aagh, qio, what? Two out of two threads I've seen you post in, you've derailed with pointless arguments and an unacceptable tone. Seriously, you have to calm down or it's a matter of time before you get banned. At the moment you're definitely not proving an asset to the community.

Anyway, Ballbarian is, as always, on the ball, and we shall not mention this again in this thread. If you have any issues qio, PM me.

[Zeldor]

Oh, I had no idea game is already created. You should PM others, I am submitting my pretender soon.

And I assume you will change game settings to get CBM included, right? I hope everyone created pretenders with CBM turned on, or we will getm any conflicts and game will have to be restarted.

[Deadnature]

oops, I forgot about the new CBM and sent in my pretender made with the old CBM....I'll resend

[chrispedersen]

Hey guys,

After thinking about it, I think llama is right. Regardless, I'll have it fixed shortly.

[llamabeast]

I'm pretty sure (99%) it has nothing to do with my changing the name of the mod chris. Anyway, the game is not set to use CBM, so you should go to the admin options and choose "Alter game settings" to make it so it is.

[Alpine Joe]

I just want to say nice job on the pretender revisions. They feel a good deal more balanced to me. I went with one of the buffed ones this game to try it out, i'll let you know how balance feels.

[chrispedersen]

Thanks!

I believe the three pretenders mentioned were all seriously underpowered. I compared them versus more than 20 other pretenders.

In the modifications I tried to err on the side of underpowering. But I still like the theme and flavor.

There are a few more I'd like to do in the next revision (not for this game). So feed back or requests always welcome.

[Incabulos]

just to be clear I should use 1.44 for my pretender right? The server says the mod is called something else.

( chrispedersenCBM or something similar :D )

[erios]

Hello I m palymg Bogarus in game, but Huston I have a problem, I installed Ccbm 144 mod, i enable it, but weny i try to play fist tern, i get a "need to be installed", could be caused by pretender created without the mod?If possible to restart game please...:smirk:

bye Erios

[Zeldor]

Nah, you downloaded good mod, but you need to rename the file to what it asks you in the game.

[Incabulos]

ahah! thank you.

[Incabulos]

hmm went to submit my opretender but see the game has started. I delayed because of the confusion over what CBM etc..

Ah well there are plenty of other games starting. Good luck and have fun :)

[chrispedersen]

Hold on a moment incabulus...

The game automatically starts when it gets the requisite number of pretenders...

But I have no problem restarting the game; everyone that asked to be in the game should have a spot.

[Zeldor]

But we have 11 players signed and 11 players in the game?

[chrispedersen]

Ok... I understand what happened... erios..(who wasn't signed up) submitted a pretender for bogarus, bumping incabulus.

Erios, I presume you're new. As a new player, we welcome you to the dominions world; however, you have to be one of the players signed up for a game, you can't just jump in and submit a pretender.

That being said, I would have to restart the game for Incabulous anyway. So what I propose to do is change the map to Wotg - which allows for 12 starting positions.
That way erios can play as well as Incabulous.

So Incab - give me a few minutes to reset the game, and try to get your pretender in ASAP. We'll start the game tonight!

[Revolution]

Had a similar thing happen in the game Darkhavens which just got underway where a mystery someone submitted a pretender for Ulm before the actual ulm player submitted his, and even submitted his first turn. We restarted the game and the mystery person submitted another pretender for Ulm (but this time we found out before the game started and got things sorted out).

that and this happening so soon together

...coincidence?

[chrispedersen]

OK,

Incab - submit a pretender, but everyone wait on downloading the map, as I'm having troubles changing it.

By the way, these are Zeldor's maps - so the rule is we have to kill him first =).

[Zeldor]

Huh, I forgot to release a fixed version with 3 wrong terrain types and 2 wrong neighbours [1 missing, 1 not present]. And for 12 players you need either Cave Maze or Gold Rush version. With Team Arena some valleys can be empty and some can have 2 players.

Let me fix it fast and upload it on llamaserver.

P.S. I'd suggest difficult research for just 12 players on it.

Edit: Added 1.3 of both Cave Maze and Gold Rush.

[chrispedersen]

Yes, Zel, I was planning on cave maze. I'm having problems fixing it on llama. Absent a compelling reason however, I'm loathe to put it on difficult research.

BLeh: I just realized Zel, that you still have 387 provinces on this map ( I thought you had cut down provinces). Which turns into a looong game.

If I recall Glory was fixed on the llama server - and is has 227 provinces. So, if I can get llamaserver to cooperate .. I'll head to that...

[Incabulos]

just got home and got your PM will post pretender very shortly.

[Incabulos]

Pretender Submitted

[chrispedersen]

Ok:

After looking at a *lot* of maps, I chose shahrivar. I have no personal experience with this map, but Sombre redid it and he does great work - so I'm hopeful. It is slightly small - 180 provinces, 168 land and 12 water. There are some preworked magic sites I know nothing about.

If this map is unacceptable, we will use glory, with the corrected starting positions. I wished to avoid doing that as I originally promised no water.

I've restarted the game. Please be sure to *delete* your old game folder. We don't need headaches with corrupted game files.

Good luck to all.

[Incabulos]

does it take a few mintues to show up in the running games column? (crosses fingers)

[chrispedersen]

yes it does. I'm puzzled.. it doesn't show in either awaiting or running...

[Incabulos]

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=CrimsonSkies

Sorry, this isn't a real game. Have you been messing with my URL?




Something similar happened in another game and I think Llama had to do something to fix it.

[Zapmeister]

With the attached mod installed, I get an error like "need mod cCBM1.44 installed" when I try to play the first turn. Help?

[Zeldor]

Yeah, it did happen to me once. Llamabeast has to fix it manually.

[erios]

Sorry for incovenience, yes i'm new, to used play whit my friends, I'd like to play whit cealum or bogarus, but over faction are fine.
bye Erios

[Alpine Joe]

With the attached mod installed, I get an error like "need mod cCBM1.44 installed" when I try to play the first turn. Help?

I have this same thing happening. I have downloaded the mod in the OP and it worked fine to create a pretender.

[Zeldor]

I said it before - you just need to rename the one you downloaded here. It's unofficial version of CBM, so llamabeast renamed it to avoid confusion.

[chrispedersen]

Thanks for the help Zeldor, but the correct answer is:

A: DO NOT SUBMIT A TURN USING THE OLD GAME FILES.

Per the previous posts, we restarted the game to let Incabulous in (who was signed up to play). The game crashed on the restart, we are waiting for llama to fix.

B: DELETE your old game folder and files, or we may have corrupted file errors, when we do get started.

C: If you are creating your pretender locally, either the version located here, or the version on the lamaserver will work to create the pretender.

However, llamabeast renamed the version on the server; you will have to rename *your* copy of the mod. When you start the game it will tell you something like...

Mod "X Y Z" needs to be enabled.

Rename the mod you have to "X Y Z" paying attention to spaces. All will be fine.

Hey I'm sorry for the glitches - erios jumping in at the last moment was... unexpected at the least.

[llamabeast]

A-fixing I shall come, this evening.

Now it is cooking time for llamas!

[chrispedersen]

who would want to cook a llama? That does not sound good at all = ).

[Ballbarian]

mmmmm llama burgers. :p

[erios]

I rename mod.
I'm soory for truoble, I wait your confirm to play.

bye
erios

[Incabulos]

llamasagna

[erios]

llamapizzas

[erios]

I to play in Crismon2 whit Patale (Erios), Is O.K?

Bye Erios

[erios]

O.k My pretender is Ready people Patala(Pretoria).

Bye Erios

[Incabulos]

[takes foot out of mouth]

Welcome to the game and the DOM3 MP community Erios :)

[chrispedersen]

O.k My pretender is Ready people Patala(Pretoria).

Bye Erios

Hey Guys,

I am going to spare llama the work and ask everyone to resubmit their pretenders to CRIMSON2.

However, erios, you may *not* choose patala. The map in question has water provinces, and patala would have preferential access to those provinces.

The way sign ups work erios, is that people have already asked for certain nations - and the game administrator - which is a thankless task (done by yours truly in this instance) sets the game rules.

In this case, because we could not get two water nations, land only nations were to be chosen. So choose a *land* nation not already chosen by someone (see first post).

Best to all,

chris

[Zeldor]

I think it's better to get it fixed by llama. The game may vanish again [it happened in Preponderance].

[erios]

O.k thanks for welcome.I choose Bogarus(Pretoria)is O.k?.
Bye
Erios

[chrispedersen]

I think it's better to get it fixed by llama. The game may vanish again [it happened in Preponderance].

I agree its better, I just don't seem to be able to accomplish it....

[Incabulos]

The game seems to be gone again :/

[llamabeast]

Sometimes llamas are very slow, I'm afraid. It's mostly caused by PhD theses and job hunting (and procrastination). However, I should be able to revive Crimson in a moment...

[llamabeast]

Okay, so the problem was with the map - "Shahrivar Som.tga" has a space in it, and it seems dominions can't cope with that, at least on Linux. So I had to rename it. You'll all need to rename your map image "Shahrivar Som.tga" to "ShahrivarSom.tga".

Anyway, you should just have got your first turn. Sorry to keep you waiting.

[Incabulos]

Thank you for all your efforts with the server.

[chrispedersen]

Sometimes llamas are very slow, I'm afraid. It's mostly caused by PhD theses and job hunting (and procrastination). However, I should be able to revive Crimson in a moment...

We weren't complaining llama. I appreciate all the time you put into it.

[Alpine Joe]

Wait, where do i get shahrivarsom.tga? Is it the one on llamaserver map/mod browser, because that one looks too small?

[Quitti]

Well, since chrispedersen has not provided us with a link to the map, I did some digging and:
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=616294&postcount=33
I presume this contains it. I'll be submitting my turn tomorrow if this in fact contains the map we're playing.

[chrispedersen]

Well, since chrispedersen has not provided us with a link to the map, I did some digging and:
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=616294&postcount=33
I presume this contains it. I'll be submitting my turn tomorrow if this in fact contains the map we're playing.

Qio,

A few details. The map was available for download while pretenders were being submitted. Standard procedure is to download maps and mods at that time.

Now, some people may not have had the opportunity, due to the unforseen circumstance of e- joining the game. The reason *I* haven't posted a link, is because I am trying to ascertain from llama is which version of Sombre's map is he using. One of them does not allow independent recruits. Obviously, that is not the one we want.

However, until I have correct information, I am not going to post it.

I also ask you to remember qio, that I am a *volunteer* - it is not my job to setup games. The volunteers setup games, in the hopes of having fun with a good group of people. And it is equaly incumbent on ALL of us to try to make this an enjoyable experience for every one.

Thank you for posting the link.

Good game to all




cp

[Zapmeister]

But note that qio and Quitti are different people

[chrispedersen]

My apologies to both =)

[llamabeast]

The map used is "Shahrivar Som.map". Independents are recruitable.

[llamabeast]

Comparison of the admin page for Crimson Skies and the Map and Mod browser would have given you that information by the way.

Also everyone, note that the admin page for games gives links to maps/mods. I realise this is unclear. At some point I'll split the admin page into a page for players (with staling data and admin log as well as that information), and a proper admin page. For the moment, you should nose around the admin page.

[Quitti]

Well I plucked that link from llamaserver myself (I'm organising a game too, so I have familiarized myself with what llamaserver shows and what I can do from there). Still, I'd expect the game organizer to provide a link to the map for new players who might not have a clue where to get 'em. It probably took like 2 minutes for me to get that map, but I'd imagine someone who doesn't have much experience with dom3 games to possibly have some difficulty finding it.

Anyway, the game is on, good luck ;)

[chrispedersen]

Well I plucked that link from llamaserver myself (I'm organising a game too, so I have familiarized myself with what llamaserver shows and what I can do from there). Still, I'd expect the game organizer to provide a link to the map for new players who might not have a clue where to get 'em. It probably took like 2 minutes for me to get that map, but I'd imagine someone who doesn't have much experience with dom3 games to possibly have some difficulty finding it.

Anyway, the game is on, good luck ;)


And Llama *thinks* this is the map that allows recruitables. Hopefully we are good= )
Game on, good luck all.

[erios]

Next week I'm Looking for players for a new game, in middle age.
For the moment I'have 6 players.
If you want to organize the game you can.

bye Erios

[chrispedersen]

Dead staled as Ctis, despite me pming him.

I am going to take quick host off, and start looking for a sub, if he hasn't posted a turn with 6 hours to go or so.

[Deadnature]

Hey Chris, guys,


I'm really sorry that I staled on this one, I know how frustrating that can be once you get a new game going and someone stales on the first turn.

I think I will have to take myself out of this one...I've barely had time recently to do my other dom3 turns (mucho work and school) and this one just sort of slipped my mind.

So it was foolish of me to join this one from the start, I should have realized that earlier. Please accept my humble apologies and I hope that my staling/absence won't greatly unbalance the game or upset your playing experience.

I really should have waited a few weeks before joining a new game. Anyway, sorry again guys.

- Deadnature

[chrispedersen]

Ok... What do you want to do guys.

We can

a). Restart with Dead
b). Restart without dead.
c). Recruit a sub (perhaps one of erios) buddies.


Comments?

To make matters more interesting, when the game crashed it, the password apparently died with it. Soooo I can't delay the game at the moment. I've posted a message to llama.

[Zeldor]

c) .

[Zapmeister]

b) Restart without dead

[qio]

Restart.

[Quell]

Restart without deadnature

[Zeldor]

Whatever you decide, do it fast, so we can get it really going.

[Incabulos]

restart without dead.

[Fakeymcfake]

yeah, just do something, this is quickly become silly.

[chrispedersen]

restart w/o dead it is

[erios]

Your Choice, if you want have a new player, my friends Viccio.

Viccio@treemme.org

bye Erios

[chrispedersen]

Ok erios,

I'll leave it set to 12 players, max. Pretenders have to be resubmitted. If your friend gets it in, good. If not, I'll start with 11. If he wishes to play its LA-Ctis.

Thanks for everyone's patience.

[Zeldor]

Huh, why again? Just ask llamabeast to fix your password and get game back to start page. You can download someones pretender then afaik.

[chrispedersen]

Don't understand the question, Zel.

Anyway, there are 12 pretenders submitted. I have no way of knowing if this is still Deadnatures pretender or not.

So Erios, I am going to give your friend till 11pm est to get a pretender in. I will start the game at 11pm. I have changed it to make him the player of record. If he gets one in, he uses his. Otherwise he uses whatever Dead has on record, k?

Best wishes to all.

[Zeldor]

Oh, it has pretenders. I thought you created new game and we have to send our pretenders again.

[chrispedersen]

Game is started. Perhaps 3rd time the charm.

[Fakeymcfake]

Don't jinx it Chris.

[viccio]

Hi!
I'm new user and the Ctis Player from this Game.

[chrispedersen]

Welcome viccio =) Good luck!

[erios]

Hi Viccio, the best player of Treemme club.

If I have a Dragon pretender Awekining imprisoned, how many turn time is ready in play?

Bye

[Incabulos]

around the end of the 2nd year. 24 turns or so

[erios]

O.k thank you very much.Sorry I have a lost quest, I looking for spell to repair wall castle?

Thanks Erios

[Incabulos]

Iron Walls increases a fortifications defences by 200 it is a level 3 alteration that requires earth 3 (at least under CBM mod).

The bonus ends if the caster is killed or the gems run out; each extra gem adds a turn to the duration. So it isn't truly a repair but more of a temporary defence bonus. Not sure if there is an actual repair spell.

[chrispedersen]

I believe its random time in the start of the third year.

also, one of the castle walls spells will increase defense - but will not fix a castle under seige. FYI

[erios]

O.k thanks...May be is better not awakening God, is To much turn 25.

Bye
Erios

[chrispedersen]

yeah, usually only serious bless nations imprison. Opportunity cost is too high.

[chrispedersen]

Due to request game is delayed 48 hours; and possibly longer.

I intended liberal delays to mean granting requests like hey, I need 12 hours.... I'd like to ask if you need an extended time try to find a sub for one turn.

I'll still grant longer delays, if necessary.

[chrispedersen]

Due to request by Fakey, game is delayed by 48 hours.

[chrispedersen]

As Ulm & Pythium wish to avoid a mutually unprofitable war these two nations with it be known proposed that these two nations enter into a nonagression treaty +3.

Said treaty to take effect upon confirmation by Pythium.

[Quell]

Pythium agrees to the treaty:rolleyes:

[Fakeymcfake]

My computer troubles continue and do not look like they'll be solved before the next turn is due even with the current delay. If you guys want to search for a replacement or simply set me to AI I completely understand.

[chrispedersen]

I have delayed the game another 24 hours, and posted for a sub.

[chrispedersen]

I'm got called out of town suddenly, I am going to try to get my turn in on time; there may however be a slight delay. I will be back in town on Monday.

[Fakeymcfake]

Right, computer is fixed, and I sent my turn in.

[Fakeymcfake]

Gah, damned thing didn't get sent properly for some reason. In anycase I'm going to have difficulty keeping up with the current scheduel and that stale just put me in a virtual no win situation. For those reasons I'm going AI, hope you guys have fun.

[chrispedersen]

Sorry to see you go Fakey - but one stale usually isn't fatal.

I too am havinng problems keeping up with the schedule

[Fakeymcfake]

It was in this case unfortunately. Anyhow I'll see you all around.

[chrispedersen]

Adviso: I submitted turns twice this morning, but have gotten the 'wrong turn number' problem again.

I am delaying the game 6 hours till I can get home and possibly longer if it requires llama to look at it.

[Zeldor]

Put that turn file in some other game folder and try then. I don't think llama can help here, it must be dominions bug, not llamaserver.

[Quitti]

The nation of Pangaea is looking for earth gems, willing to trade 10 for 10 death/nature gems or any combination of these two.

[chrispedersen]

Hey guys...

I did what Zeldor suggested - I still got a wrong turn number error.

I"m going to drop out of the game. I had two armies shreaded and 1/3 of my territories taken by TC (Good job) - and the way caelum was massing on my borders I suspect he probably jumped me this last turn. So I'm pretty much out of it anyway - stale was icing on the cake.

Anyone want to take over admin?

I'll post to see if I can get someone to set me to AI.

Good luck!

[Zapmeister]

Anyone want to take over admin?

If no-one else wants to step up to the plate, I'll do it. Be gentle though, I have never adminned Dom3 before.

[Zapmeister]

If no-one else wants to step up to the plate, I'll do it. Be gentle though, I have never adminned Dom3 before.

Chris has PM-ed me the admin password, so it looks like I'm elected. Game on!

[Incabulos]

Thanks for stepping up Zapmeister.

[Zeldor]

Anyone willing to sell following items/gems?

- Thistle Mace
- Earth Boots
- Dwarven Hammer
- Skull Staff
- air booster
- death gems
- blood slaves

I have:
- air, earth, nature gems
- seeking arrows

[Zeldor]

Shouldn't we switch to 48h timer? It's turn 28 already...

[Zapmeister]

Shouldn't we switch to 48h timer? It's turn 28 already...

I was going to ask at turn 30 but, if we get one more vote for it, I'll do it now.

EDIT: Actually, I see that Chris's original post specified 36h/turn after turn 20. So what do people want - 36h or 48h? If there's an obvious preference, we'll go with that (immediately) otherwise we'll stick with the original 36h.

[Zeldor]

I'm at war and I could surely use 12 or 24h more per turn :) 24 would be better for me.

[qio]

I'll second the 48h timer.

[Zapmeister]

OK - going to 48h.

[Zapmeister]

Vacation's over peoples - llamaserver is live and we still have 4 nations outstanding. The next turn will host in 48 hours (around 22:20 on Thursday GMT) at the latest.

[Zapmeister]

24 hours to go and counting, with 3 nations still outstanding. Tell me here if you need a postponement, coz I aint rolling back just because people staled without notice.

[Zeldor]

Anything interesting going on? I see that south is getting bloody...

[Incabulos]

I made a move against Pangaea to grab a couple of lands on our side of the water, then started raiding his side of the pond. Pythium wisely decided it was a good time to end our NAP and declared war against me. Can't say I blame him, it was a pretty clever move and he waited the requisite turns.

[Incabulos]

Ouch... Funny killing your pretender and other mage with your own earthquakke. I thought robe of shadows would protect them... That was a painful lesson. Didn't help that my disease addled death mage routed before even casting a single spell.. Darkness would at least have helped me take down more of Pythium's troops in the process.

[Zapmeister]

Current Status

Pythium. Tartarians, artifacts and elemental royalty.
Chance of victory: Almost certain

T'ien Ch'i. Artifacts, elemental royalty and who knows what else.
Chance of victory: Almost certain

Midgard. Free blood summons and a blood economy in a gem-poor world. No current wars.
Chance of victory: Almost certain

Arcosephale. Kickass pretender, communion magic and the knowhow to use them. No current wars.
Chance of victory: Almost certain

Pangaea. Whatever it takes to beat back an invader of the calibre of T'ien Ch'i.
Chance of victory: Almost certain

Mictlan. A blood economy in a gem-poor world. No current wars. Sense of humour.
Chance of victory: Would be almost certain if I had free blood summons :)

[qio]

FYI: I asked for an extension of 24 hours after this Friday's turn, which the game admin has approved.

[Zapmeister]

FYI: I asked for an extension of 24 hours after this Friday's turn, which the game admin has approved.

But note that its not the current turn that has been postponed - Arco has his turn in already. When this turn hosts, I'll postpone the next one by 24 hours (unless qio cancels his request before then).

[Zapmeister]

FYI: I asked for an extension of 24 hours after this Friday's turn, which the game admin has approved.

But note that its not the current turn that has been postponed - Arco has his turn in already. When this turn hosts, I'll postpone the next one by 24 hours (unless qio cancels his request before then).

The turn took the full 48 hours (Pan staled) and qio returned early, so he has cancelled his request for a postponement. The turn schedule is therefore unaltered.

Zap.

[qio]

We are canceling our NAP with Pan. If she continues to stale we are not letting you vultures get all of her provinces.

--
High Council of Arcos

[Zapmeister]

Quitti has just been on an overseas trip to Finland. From my previous experience with him, I know he's not the kind of guy to abandom a game without a word. I reckon he's just on a plane over the Atlantic, or something.

[Quitti]

Well, it has not been a very lucky weekend for me. My computers gfx-card died on me first, and then my internet connection simply ceased to work (damn ISP messing up with something again). I still have my laptop, and connection to internet at university.

Well, I'm still here, hanging around. You're free to come to visit if you want, qio.

[Zeldor]

Really, notification emails should be set to 12h, not 8h. I went to bed, notification came and I woke up 3 minutes after hosting, just to see new turn arriving... not cool.

[Zapmeister]

Eight hours was the original setting (by Chris) which I've now changed to 12. Personally, I use the Llamaserver to keep track of when the next turn is due.

[chrispedersen]

Just popping into the thread:

So how is the game shaping up? Who'se left?
What did y'all think of the changes in cCBM?

[Zeldor]

Pythium is winning so far.

[Zapmeister]

Pythium is winning so far.

Yeah, its pretty much a 2-cornered race between Pythium and Midgard. The rest of us (4 players) are still there in a spectator capacity :)

The only comment I've heard about the game parameters have been a few grumblings about the paucity of magic sites, leading to an advantage for the blood nations. But that doesn't seem to be bothering Pythium too much :D

[Zapmeister]

It's turn 60. Everyone still OK with the 48 hour turns?

[Zeldor]

Yeah, I like that speed. Even with that unlucky stale.

[Zapmeister]

Just a heads up that 2 consecutive stales by either TC or Pangaea will prompt me to arrange for them to be put to AI, unless any of the other players object.

[Quell]

Did Acro give up? Seemed he had quite a good position in the game

[qio]

Only way for Arcos to win, is to team-up with someone, but that is rather boring. Pythium and Midgard are in much better standing.

[Quitti]

I'm still around, just not competing for the top spot anymore. All I can basically do is eliminate Mictlan from having any chance of winning (even if they did have a slim chance anymore), and after that boosting either pythium or midgård to victory. Hmh.

[Zapmeister]

I'm still around, just not competing for the top spot anymore. All I can basically do is eliminate Mictlan from having any chance of winning (even if they did have a slim chance anymore), and after that boosting either pythium or midgård to victory. Hmh.

Wow, that was unexpected :( I guess I must have transgressed some unwritten law. Just wish someone would write the mother down.

[Zeldor]

Ha, those were 2 really nice battles. I won't give my forts without a fight :)

[Zapmeister]

Hosting has been postponed for 10 hours at the request of Zeldor.

[Quell]

I give up. I lost all of my mages and SCs and now the global. I still could influence the game a little, but since exams are starting i won't be having much free time anyway. Well, its been nice playing with you guys :)

[Zapmeister]

I give up. I lost all of my mages and SCs and now the global. I still could influence the game a little, but since exams are starting i won't be having much free time anyway. Well, its been nice playing with you guys :)

Oh no! And here's me thinking that you're practically unstoppable!

Well, where does that leave us? With two large AI positions (Pythium and Arco) still in play, there's probably still some interest left in the game. But I'm not sure that I have the energy for that.

What do you reckon, Quitti? Call the game for Midgard?

[Quitti]

Yeah, Midgård is a clear winner. Thanks for the opposition Zap, you taught me a few things. I hope you learned something too :)

And Congratulations to Zeldor.

[Zeldor]

I wanted to ask you Zap if you want to continue that. Huh, I did not expect Pythium to go AI, I really thought he is much much stronger. He had good gem income, lots of provs and forts to recruit mages from, lots of tarts [I had 0], but without GoH a bit harder to use. And I did overwrite his Well of Misery that turn.

I have 20k gold income, pretty much every land prov forted [or under construction]
~500 commanders
~100 vampire lords
few hundred vampires
all arch devils
all heliophagis
all demon lords
250+ B a turn
~800 gems stocked
small collection of blood stones
big part of artifacts [including Chalice, Ark...]
some elemental royalty
LOTS of demons, fiends, fould spawns...

If we agree it's over I can attach my turn file.

[Zapmeister]

OK, its over. Congratulations Zeldor.

And yes, I learned a few things from everybody I went up against. Mostly, I learned to never again play Mictlan without a bless :)

[Zeldor]

Ok, here is my turn file then, for everyone's pleasure.