Laurus : Game On!

[Jazzepi]

Era: LA
Players: 14
Map: Map has been generated. I stole urrapand, and turned some of the water provinces into ice covered wastelands. This should reduce the problem with R'yleh being the only water nation, and give some interesting ice-land bridges for land nations to cross over. Map link is below.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?p=672807#post672807

R'yleh still has access to many more water territories than a land nation will, but they tend to be in straight lines, instead of one big pool, so I think it balances out by slowing expansion and creating dominion issues.

Host: Llamaserver, PBEM
Mods: CBM 1.4 (Just straight 1.4. There is no air 8 bug.) >>NOT 1.41<< Make sure CBM 1.4 is enabled during pretender creation so that you have the correct point costs for your gods
Hall of fame: 15
Graphs: OFF
Renaming: ON
Victory Conditions: Conquer every territory, or earn concession from remaining players
Everything else default

Hosting Intervals: 24 hours until turn 20. After turn 20, when 2-3 people request it we'll move to 48 hours. Upon request progressively more time will be added as the game moves into later turns.

Game has been started on llamaserver, please upload your pretenders.

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Laurus

Jazzepi - Man, Tower of Awesome
fungalreason - Bogarus
Hadrian_II - agartha
otthegreat - Abysia
Incabulos - Ry'leh
Alpine Joe - Arco
Isokron - Ermor
Zapmeister - Mictlan
Toran - Pythium
Phalent - C'tis
Redeyes - Ulm
DonCorazon - Gath
Apsophos - Pangaea
cupido2 - Jomon

[lch]

I'd guess you want to have this prefixed as MP, rather than Map. Unless the color was to draw attention to it, in which you have succeeded. :)

[fungalreason]

I'll join... Bogarus

[Hadrian_II]

I will join as agartha

[otthegreat]

I'll join as Abysia.

[Incabulos]

if LA Riyleh is allowed I would like to give them a whirl.
Then I will be at my game limit until one of the others concludes or dies.

[Alpine Joe]

I'd like to get in this as arco

[Isokron]

I feel the need to get stomped on by a huge alliance early and would thus like to try Ermor.

[Zapmeister]

Sign me up for Mictlan

[Toran]

I'd love to get my unfortunate hands on Pythium this time, thanks :)

[Jazzepi]

Buzump.

Jazzepi

[Phalent]

I'll join as C'tis

[DonCorazon]

Wraparound map?

[Redeyes]

I'll gladly join as Ulm, seeing that I just got knocked out of Madness

[Jazzepi]

Wraparound map?

I'd love to do a wrap around map. I'm not good at map editing, though :( Actually I asked for help on the basics of map editing a long time ago, and no one seemed to have any idea.

If you know someone that would like to spend the time connecting a map like that, and editing the graphics that it would at least be palatable, we could totally play on a wrap around map.

Jazzepi

[Jazzepi]

I'll gladly join as Ulm, seeing that I just got knocked out of Madness

Haha. I'm in the process of having that happen to me as well. Hopefully I can cripple Kissblade before I'm finally eliminated D:

Jazzepi

[DonCorazon]

Wraparound map?

I'd love to do a wrap around map. I'm not good at map editing, though :( Actually I asked for help on the basics of map editing a long time ago, and no one seemed to have any idea.

If you know someone that would like to spend the time connecting a map like that, and editing the graphics that it would at least be palatable, we could totally play on a wrap around map.

Jazzepi

I am in the same boat - I just posted a request for a basic overview. Anyway, I'd like to play if we use a wrap around map. I'll take any nation that I haven't played before - maybe Gath.

[Redeyes]

I'll gladly join as Ulm, seeing that I just got knocked out of Madness

Haha. I'm in the process of having that happen to me as well. Hopefully I can cripple Kissblade before I'm finally eliminated D:

Jazzepi
Hah, let us hope LA man is less of a letdown for you then.

[Jazzepi]

I'll gladly join as Ulm, seeing that I just got knocked out of Madness

Haha. I'm in the process of having that happen to me as well. Hopefully I can cripple Kissblade before I'm finally eliminated D:

Jazzepi
Hah, let us hope LA man is less of a letdown for you then.

I played LA man in the other game. It was just a problem of the fact that the preset starting positions meant that Kissblade could land his dragon on my capital on something like turn 3. I was building a 3 turn build fortress since turn 2 (or three I can't remember), but then he moved his dragon there which was pretty unlucky for me since it tore down the castle. So I spent my money on the castle, and he recruited mercenaries.

Personally I think it was a stupid game, you're stuck in this valley with another person and you HAVE to rush each other. Oh, and you know exactly where each other's capitals are.

I really prefer just more generic setups, with less crazy rules and distortions to the main game.

Jazzepi

[Jazzepi]

Wraparound map?

I'd love to do a wrap around map. I'm not good at map editing, though :( Actually I asked for help on the basics of map editing a long time ago, and no one seemed to have any idea.

If you know someone that would like to spend the time connecting a map like that, and editing the graphics that it would at least be palatable, we could totally play on a wrap around map.

Jazzepi

I am in the same boat - I just posted a request for a basic overview. Anyway, I'd like to play if we use a wrap around map. I'll take any nation that I haven't played before - maybe Gath.

I'll put you down tentatively for Gath so that you have them reserved, and I'll try to get us a wrap around map. I'm really okay with anything as long as it doesn't make my eyes bleed.

Jazzepi

[Redeyes]

I played LA man in the other game.
Okay, the player list had you as MA Man,
I too felt I wanted to try my setup in a more standard game.

[Jazzepi]

Bump

[Apsophos]

I'll play as Pangaea.

[Jazzepi]

Since we're having a slow down in signups, we'll go once we hit 15.

I'll try to work on some maps tonight. I can't promise anything pretty ;)

Jazzepi

[Redeyes]

I think 15 is plenty enough with these victory conditions.
More and we have a higher risk of a forever game...

[cupido2]

This time, I'd like to lose as Jomon.

[Jazzepi]

Bump.

Time to upload.

Jazzepi

[Jazzepi]

Woops. Made an error. Please go to the map link, and redownload it if you downloaded it before this post. The one I had there originally had the wrap-around part turned off. Just redownload it, and extract the zip file to your maps folders to over-write the old map.

Jazzepi

[Hadrian_II]

why are we not using 1.41, i had such a nice strategy involving blindlords spamming thunderstrike :D

[Jazzepi]

why are we not using 1.41, i had such a nice strategy involving blindlords spamming thunderstrike :D

I WONDER WHY.

Jazzepi

[DonCorazon]

Thanks for setting the game up - I'll have pretender in shortly. Decisions, decisions...!!! :)

[Redeyes]

Isn't 25 sea provinces too many when there is one water nation and 12~ provinces per land nation?

[Jazzepi]

Isn't 25 sea provinces too many when there is one water nation and 12~ provinces per land nation?

I know it's a bit much, but R'yleh is going to have territories stretching in straight lines.

If there's still a big ruckus about it after you look at the map itself, I can look at consolidating some of the water territories.

Jazzepi

[Hadrian_II]

Lets just domkill Rlyeh, and everything will be good.

[Incabulos]

*waves tentacles*

Sorry will get my pretender up shortly, hectic morning.

Uploaded

[Incabulos]

odd the map isn't displaying as wraparound (the wraparound link ar in though) when I played a few test games the map did display as wraparound.

[Redeyes]

Yeah, but if you didn't see it still behaves like it is wraparound with edge provinces linking to other edge provinces at the other side of the map...

[Jazzepi]

Ugh.

I PM Llamabeast asking him to change the map stored for the game to the proper version of Icyurraparand. Unfortunately he never answered that PM, so it never happened.

I'm going to take the game back to waiting for pretenders, upload the new map, then change the map for the game hosting to the new map, and restart the game. Hopefully people won't have to resubmit pretenders.

Jazzepi

[Jazzepi]

OKAY! The new map is uploaded and the game has been restarted using it. I just took my first turn. Starting position got worse :( But otherwise the map seems to be working fine. Download the new map below. icyurraparandv2

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?p=672807#post672807

Jazzepi

[Redeyes]

How could I receive the same exceptionally poor start twice in a row? :shock:
Bad luck?
I thought starts were random...

[Jazzepi]

They are random.

My start only has two ajoining provinces!

Jazzepi

[DonCorazon]

what's the hosting time on this - feels pretty slow for, uh, turn 1.

[Toran]

Hm, seems our Arcoscephalian neighbour needs an extra dose of whipping....

[Zapmeister]

It seems like it doesn't matter how many players there are in a game, there always seems to be one that holds up hosting every turn. That's not a criticism - people have real lives to attend to - just a wry observation.

But the one thing that can make the game proceed almost twice the speed that it otherwise would is if the last player to submit orders waits a few minutes for the turn to host and then takes their next turn immediately.

[Jazzepi]

what's the hosting time on this - feels pretty slow for, uh, turn 1.

It's 24 hours, but I think llamabeast extended it by 24 hours when he did some fixing with the map on the server side.

I might try looking for a sub if Arco doesn't get his stuff together.

Jazzepi

[Zapmeister]

I might try looking for a sub if Arco doesn't get his stuff together.

At turn 1, it might just be easier to restart without him (?)

[Jazzepi]

I might try looking for a sub if Arco doesn't get his stuff together.

At turn 1, it might just be easier to restart without him (?)

That would lower the number of land nations on the map...

Thoughts?

Jazzepi

[Janlm]

did you find a sub yet? if not i can take it.

[Toran]

Well, if my opinion is relevant in any way - I'm all for delaying the first host run until a sub is in place.

[Alpine Joe]

Damn guys sorry, after the reset I got confused and thought i had correctly resubmitted my turn. Sorry for the holdup, my turn is submitted now and I won't delay the game again.

[Jazzepi]

Damn guys sorry, after the reset I got confused and thought i had correctly resubmitted my turn. Sorry for the holdup, my turn is submitted now and I won't delay the game again.

No problem. Looks like we're good to go.

Jazzepi

[cupido2]

What the... not again! Guys, I'll never expand if you don't let me hire those mercenaries.

[fungalreason]

At least they're killing them off promptly to make room for new mercs the rest of us can bid on ;)

[DonCorazon]

Mercs we hired clearly lied on their resumes as they got their azzes whooped by a bunch of g...d... Hoburgs. Hoburgs!!!

[Toran]

You probably just didn't check for that minor paragraph in their contracts were they were stating "preferred target size"...

[Redeyes]

The Ulmian nation is under siege by the Pangean scourge, 7 dryad hoplites having cut through our capital's defenses.
There is no longer any hope left, the world will be a worse place when its truest and most righteous light will be gone in the coming month.

[otthegreat]

Wait, what already? That's unfortunate.

In other news, my capital borders 2 provinces defended by dark vines... wonderful :rolleyes:.

[Jazzepi]

Yeah this map has some crazy strong independents for level 5 indies.

Jazzepi

[Redeyes]

Wait, what already? That's unfortunate.Such is the rule of things when you end one province away from your first neighbor, put your army in one place, and have luck against you.
Simply reseeding (shift+u&shift+k)had me winning the battles I lost though like anything, that's just luck.

Yeah, my neighboring independents were quite evil too with one Gryphon Riders and three Heavy Cavalry provinces

[Jazzepi]

Wait, what already? That's unfortunate.Such is the rule of things when you end one province away from your first neighbor, put your army in one place, and have luck against you.
Simply reseeding (shift+u&shift+k)had me winning the battles I lost though like anything, that's just luck.

Yeah, my neighboring independents were quite evil too with one Gryphon Riders and three Heavy Cavalry provinces

I've got dark vines, Heavy Cavalry, and amazons D:

Jazzepi

[Incabulos]

frrghsaaapph! uuhhiio phoo ooph oooph uyyii!!

*makes swimming motions*

Fnaah fnaah fnaah!

[Hadrian_II]

Agartha is happy, that now the unrest in our capital finally is back to useful levels. (missfortune can suck sometimes, atleast my lab is still standing)

[Apsophos]

Well I just hope my noobish Dominions skills will put that Ulmish capital to good use.
As for crazy indies, I have a province with vine men, hama dryads and a wtfgreat mother in it.

[Jazzepi]

Well I just hope my noobish Dominions skills will put that Ulmish capital to good use.
As for crazy indies, I have a province with vine men, hama dryads and a wtfgreat mother in it.

Haha.

I wonder if this map secretly has preset indies in it or something D:

Jazzepi

[DonCorazon]

Well this is one of the slowest starts I've had since I started playing. Had my butt handed to me twice now by indies. Gath is traumatized and now fears even hoburg militia. :)

[Redeyes]

As for crazy indies, I have a province with vine men, hama dryads and a wtfgreat mother in it.
That's probably the Primal Forest site.
I saw it in another game last week, it gives 3 nature and allows hama dryads to be summoned

[Apsophos]

That's probably the Primal Forest site.
I saw it in another game last week, it gives 3 nature and allows hama dryads to be summoned

Very... Pangaean.

[Zapmeister]

Oops. Note to self - do not lose prestender early when playing Mictlan. It would have been the dominion spread from R'lyeh's Ancient Kraken that wiped out my last candle :(

Until next time ....

Zap.

[cupido2]

Bah, what a gem-wasteland that island is...

[otthegreat]

So incabulos picking a fight are you?

[Incabulos]

Come on in, the water is fine.

[otthegreat]

Sure, would you be willing to supply the water breathing items though? Otherwise you may have to wait a while.

[Incabulos]

I can use my tentacles to convince you that you can breath underwater... would that work for you?

[Redeyes]

Ulm would gladly accept your offer of Asylum had we had an avenue to reach the water.
Alas, we can't accept *hangs head in shame*

[DonCorazon]

Hmmm...seems even size 4 Gaths giants get squashed pretty easily by elephants. Back to the drawing board. :)

In other news, had my first mage go insane. Never played with R'lyeh allowed in a game before and I am starting to wonder whether this might be a broken game set up - letting one of the strongest nations in the game as the only underwater nation...I don't mind since I am curious to see how their dominion thing works but suspect it will be pretty tough to stop.

[cupido2]

Ha, there was this other thread where someone complained about suddendly discovered or built castles, moving armies into these provinces in the same turn and not being able to set them on patrol. Never thought this would be a problem until now, that it happend to me. Damned castle building lord...

[Hadrian_II]

Never played with R'lyeh allowed in a game before and I am starting to wonder whether this might be a broken game set up - letting one of the strongest nations in the game as the only underwater nation...

Rlyeh is the only Water Nation in LA, so this would make LA broken by default:D (just dont let them get on shore, and it should be fine)

[Jazzepi]

Man is looking for earth gems. We have air and nature to trade. we can also construct items for those gems.

Jazzepi

[cupido2]

Dear Lord of Man,

Jomon has many an earthgem and would have been glad to trade with you. And it's not too late yet. Just accept the NAP with 20 turns of notice before an attack we offer you now. So we can stop whiping your poor longbowmen out of Jomon-land. Don't be angry at your men and your prophet, who ran away head over heels from the disciplined Jomon army. They just saw that they are no match and wanted to preserve them selves for future battles, hopefully in your south. Forgive them as I forgive you.

Cupido the Wise, Lord of Jomon

[Jazzepi]

:O

Jazzepi

[Toran]

Duh. Arcos has staled the third time now... find a sub (unlikely, probably he's being ripped apart already?) or set him to AI...?

[Toran]

Rlyeh is the only Water Nation in LA, so this would make LA broken by default:D (just dont let them get on shore, and it should be fine)

Well, people, now noticing that those wet tentacles show intentions not just to dip out from water, but actually to crawl on land, maybe the forces of good (AKA all other nations :p) should unite against them and throw them back to where they belong?

I mean, a full scale war would involve scuba diving, but at least shoving them back into the water would be a start. Or do we all want to learn Illithid? Pythian tongues for sure are not made for this dialect...

[Incabulos]

squid hater!
We have crawled out of the water to deal with ermor who sieges Bogarus' castle and will soon move to Bogarus' other castle next door. The 300 undead there will only continue to grow.

Of course we understand your hate and fear, and are prepared to meet force with force, we will still be trying to eradicate the ermorian threat before their death spreads across the land.

*wibble wibble wibble*

[Toran]

Ehm, Mr. Wibble, you didn't notice by chance that your forces accidently took a land province, nor are you really engaging Ermor as other nations are.

Plus - if people are asked to decide whether they want to die in Ermorian or R'lyeh dominion, they usually pick none :p

So you just need to be stopped in time (if it's not already too late, considering your dom spread...). So, guys, let's step up - for every place where they crawl out of the water, it's only one army we need, but together we can have a big bowl of squid soup!

[Incabulos]

Paella please, squid soup sounds terrible. If you are going to east us at least do it in good taste.

As for dying from starvation and slow suffering death or being healthy and insane... the fruit fishes the moon star to pickle the tree face!

In fact when you are insane it doesn't really matter if you are dying!

*shapes tentacles into a peace sign and devil horns*

[DonCorazon]

That squid has been parked outside of Gath for a while. Move along please, nothing here to see.

[Incabulos]

That squid has been parked outside of Gath for a while. Move along please, nothing here to see.

Great Papa Squiddy is seeing how long he can hold his breath for; while not technically insane there are some of us followers that think he is clearly touched. We told him NOT to stick his tentacles in the void gate but of course he is the pretender so...

He keeps muttering about an amulet of the fish and air majick or somesuch, not really sure what he is blathering about. Hopefully he will get to conquering the ocean instead of reminiscing about the lack of legs and lungs.

We understand it is hard trying to get a bunch of blathering, frothing madmen to do your bidding and that he has to take matters into his own hands and do some menial tasks every now and then, but he really does tend to forget why he is the chosen one. And who can blame a cultist for deciding that searching for belly button lint is a more pressing task than building a kelp fortress; certainly not me.

[Isokron]

I say that us poor oppressed unhuman nations have to stick together. So if you will just mindblast a few of those evil priests we will be happy to let you keep any land provinces you take from them.

As an added bonus undead doesn't need to eat so no risk of becoming soup (although our goulish citizens would be very happy if you could send a few of those nice big squishy brains their way)

[Jazzepi]

Man needs 5 fire gems sent to them this turn. Or a ring of fire eater forged this turn, and sent the next.

We can pay in gems, gold, or items. Message us!

Jazzepi

[cupido2]

I could send you 5 fire gems. Or would you like the ring of fire better? It would be for free. Can't you see that we are nice?

[Jazzepi]

I could send you 5 fire gems. Or would you like the ring of fire better? It would be for free. Can't you see that we are nice?

Your capital would be a much nicer prize!

Jazzepi

[cupido2]

Sent you the gems for free. No need for others to send them.

[cupido2]

:balloon::balloon::heart::heart::heart: Dear nations of the world :heart::heart::heart::balloon::balloon:

Could someone lend me 500 gold? :happy: I will pay in gems :gem2::gem1: or cash back :money::money::money:.

:heart::heart::heart: Please pm me or just send it. :heart::heart::heart:
:rose::rose:Thank you very much.:rose::rose:

Cupido the Wise, Lord of Jomon :wave:

:ghug:

[Jazzepi]

Jomon happens to be capital-poor at the moment and won't be able to pay you back ;)

Jazzepi

[cupido2]

Don't listen to the grumpy old man of Man. Your money won't be wasted or lost. I have gems at abundance to alchemise, alas I lack a laboratry (=500 gold). ;)

Of course the one who lends me the money will get an interest on it. You won't regret it. Fair's fair.
:money::money::money::money::money::money::money:

Your uncle Cupido the Wise :heart::heart:

[Redeyes]

Did something go wrong when the last turn was hosted?

[Jazzepi]

Not that I noticed.

The server does send out a message if the turn hosts with an error.

Jazzepi

[Toran]

Maybe he faced a delayed mail as I did - I told the llamaserver to resend, and got the resent email before the original one (although the original one, which came in about one hour later, had the earlier timestamp on it).

[DonCorazon]

Anyone have earth gems to trade?

[cupido2]

Yep. Fine earth gems. Alas I have to sell them for 500 gold. How many should it be?

[Jazzepi]

Ugh.

Game over for Man. We just lost 90 of our provinces to R'yleh's sneak attack. We'll fight back, but it's not looking good.

On an admin note.

48 delay as requested

new 48 hour hosting cycle as requested

Jazzepi

[DonCorazon]

Well, I have to admit, I wouldn't mind throwing in the towel in this game. Gath is doing fine but the dynamics of the game seem to make it kind of pointless. I have no way to get into the ocean and don't see anyone else who can, and the only way to expand at this point is to attack land neighbors, which just makes it easier for R'lyeh like what happened with Ermor. I just see R'lyeh winning this game no matter what happens - This is first MP game I've been in with LA R'lyeh and I think its too unbalanced especially without having any nations with decent recruitable underwater units in the game and with this map. And I think Incabulos has done a great job strategically / diplomatically getting on land and taking out weakened nations. :)

[Jazzepi]

Well, I have to admit, I wouldn't mind throwing in the towel in this game. Gath is doing fine but the dynamics of the game seem to make it kind of pointless. I have no way to get into the ocean and don't see anyone else who can, and the only way to expand at this point is to attack land neighbors, which just makes it easier for R'lyeh like what happened with Ermor. I just see R'lyeh winning this game no matter what happens - This is first MP game I've been in with LA R'lyeh and I think its too unbalanced especially without having any nations with decent recruitable underwater units in the game and with this map. And I think Incabulos has done a great job strategically / diplomatically getting on land and taking out weakened nations. :)

I'm happy to give up myself D:

I don't think R'yleh is too terribly unbalanced, this map was just a horrible decision. Ry'leh had access to attack any and every land nation instead of having to chew inwards from a single coast. I thought that would be a disadvantage, but it turned out otherwise. There were also simply too many water provinces.

Jazzepi

[DonCorazon]

Exactly, they border every nation and can pick who to attack at any time. And with graphs off, they have the best intel. And with no other nations in the game with recruitable underwater troops - Mictlan, Atlantis, Patala - nobody can take the fight to them. Basically they can just pick land nations off as they see fit.

[Hadrian_II]

I am also willing to cede victory to rlyeh.

I had a bad start due to missfortune, and after that ermor decided that they will use their last breath to raid me :(. It seems that rlyeh considers me so weak that they rather attack man first as they know they can take me whenever they like.

[Redeyes]

I wouldn't mind seeing some last turns posted if we are to stop here,
I'm started towards news of the greater world as I at most controlled four provinces.

[Incabulos]

Yeah the extended coast was a strength not a weakness.

I spent the first part of the game just recruiting the tentacled priests and building temples so I could push my dominion.

I will post info/ a turn file once I know the game is conceeded.

I certainly would have had a much harder time in a map with more ocean but less coast. At least my opportunity to attack would have been more limited making my chaff much less useful, and attacks like the one I just launched against man impossible.

[DonCorazon]

I think its conceded unless anyone objects. I had the sense Gath was probably in the best condition to stop you (we had Arcos and Ctis capitals) but with no land border and no W mages and crappy gem income in spite of searching everywhere (I think I counted 19 Gnome Lores and +3 E income :( ) we give up!

[otthegreat]

I'm for conceding.

[Apsophos]

No objection to declaring R'lyeh winner.

[DonCorazon]

Congrats Incabulos - I'd be curious to see the last turn file too - esp since graphs were off. Despite the crazy map / setup, I thought it was a fun game.

[Incabulos]

Thanks :)

Here is my trn file. I was 1 turn away from dreams of r'lyeh and was then heading for the spell that affects coastal provinces. To bee honest for the longest time I wasn't sure who I had NAPS with since I think a couple came through in game messages which really confuse me since I have no record of them :/.

One of my biggest issues was actually forsaking research for so many turns so I could really push my dominion with the little purple priests and build temples almost everywhere.

I had terrible luck in the void gate.. (maybe I mentioned that in the previous post?)

[Toran]

Grmbl. I noticed what danger you'd become already lots of turns ago, when you stepped on land close to Agartha. But noone wanted to listen, they just wanted to complete their puny wars, while the evil from the deep grew and grew.... :)

Yay, no objections to curse R'lyeh with winning :p

[Incabulos]

Weird I thought I added the trn file to that last post, will try again when I get home :)


Aye Toran I was surprised I wasn't kicked into the ocean at that early point. Grabbing Mictlan's capital was a real help. Getting Ermor's capital was a good thing to those 15 death gems a turn would have been real useful down the road.

But really apart from territory gain to spread dominion forts on land for r'lyeh are pretty useless as far a troop generation goes. At one point I stopped bui8lding temples because I thought it was too obvious how far it was spreadingbut I guess I was the only one with that vantage point. Graphs off really helps a hostile dominion nation like R'lyeh.

[DonCorazon]

I tried to get a land alliance going to threaten a mass war (not that we could do much underwater but still). When nobody signed up and Man got jumped, I figured it was hopeless. I wish I had a land border with you....I am surprised R'lyeh did so well on land - I find their land combat ability in another game horrible and expensive.

[Redeyes]

Did you zip the turn files before you attached them?
The forums don't accept just any kind of file, see the "valid file extensions" field when you attach.

[Incabulos]

I didn't. I should have thought of that! Thanks.

[cupido2]

So that's why I haven't received a single turn in 2 weeks...

[Incabulos]

Hah! and I forgot to post my turn

[Redeyes]

Yeah, you did forget your turn. You only posted the .2h ;)

[Incabulos]

doh.. hmm I probably still have the .trn file