Beardaxe is go!

[Juffos]

Quitti will be the game admin from now on. Forward all your questions and requests to him.


Chlorolera ended a bit too abruptly, so this game has higher victory conditions and a wrap-around map.

We will start after next Sunday, because I will not be available during the weekend.

Players: 16 land, 3 water
Age: Middle
Map: Asia Twist with ports (http://www.mediafire.com/file/12jekd3hzgz/AsiaTwist.zip)
Mods: CBM 1.41 (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7586&d=1232433390)
Victory conditions: 9 capitals of 19?
Diplomacy: What happens in Beardaxe stays in Beardaxe

Magic sites at 50, hall of fame 15 and everything else default.


Juffos - Ulm
Quitti - C'tis
Amonchakad - Bandar Log
Toran - Pythium
virtual - Man
Magical Gohda Chef - Atlantis
Jazzepi - Marignon
Baalz - Abysia
Klepto - Caelum
Scarlioni - Mictlan
Fantomen - Agartha
GrudgeBringer - Ashdod
duncanshriek - Eriu
Stattis - Vanheim
Yestin - Arcoscephale
Cupido - R'lyeh
Ruminant - T'ien Ch'i
mighty_scoop - Machaka
Incabulos - Oceania

[Quitti]

I'll try my luck with C'tis.

[Amonchakad]

I'd like to join as Bandar Log.

[JimMorrison]

Diplomacy: What happens in Beardaxe stays in Beardaxe

You wanna go for a beer run, Juffos? You know, just you and me. In my van. ;) ;)

[Scarlioni]

I'll take LA Mictlan if available.

[Toran]

Me! Ehm, and Pythium, por favor!

[virtual]

I'll be Man.

Scarlioni, according to the OP, this game is MA only.

[Magical Gohda Chef]

Atlantis Please ^^

[Jazzepi]

I'll try my luck with Marigon.

Jazzepi

[Baalz]

I'll play Abyssia.

[Klepto]

Caelum please.

[Scarlioni]

MA Mictlan plz...

that last was a typo.

[Fantomen]

Hi, I´d like to join in with Agartha.

[GrudgeBringer]

I would take Ashod (never played it or MA for that matter so don't think I would be much of a threat) if its not banned.

[duncanshriek]

Eriu, please

[statttis]

I'll be Vanheim.

[GrudgeBringer]

I used the link to CB1.41 and copied to Domions and then Mods.

This is the same file I have put the rest of the mods (1.4 ect)

I extracted inside the mod folder just like I did the others but it doesn't show up in the Preferences..Mods in the game. Any suggestions?

[Yestin]

I'm new to multiplayer I would love to play as Arcoscephale. It would be my first multiplayer game so I will be a push-over but I'll do my best :)

[GrudgeBringer]

1.41 loaded...thanks for the PM!!:D

[cupido2]

R'lyeh please.

[Ruminant]

I'd like to try Pangaea please.

[Ruminant]

Actually, any chance I could change my pick to T'ien Ch'i? ^^

[mighty_scoop]

Machaka for my please ... the spiders are coming

[Incabulos]

I will take Oceania

[mighty_scoop]

All hail Incabulos ;-)

[Incabulos]

heh... it's a dirty job but someone has to do it ;)

[GrudgeBringer]

I want you ALL to remember we have a 3 turn NAP from turn 1 onward....(someone in here promised me this):p

[Scarlioni]

Being a MP noob could someone spell out the acronymn NAP for me?

[Klepto]

NAP=Non-Aggression Pact

[GrudgeBringer]

Sorry, I forgot we had some newer folks in here.

I was just kidding about everyone having a NAP with me....

But being such a nice guy...everyone should WANT to have a NAP with me.:D

[Fantomen]

NAP=Non-Aggression Pact
Which means no aggression without ending the NAP first, and you must leave notice a fixed number of turns before attacking (for example: NAP3 = 3 turns notice)

[P3D]

I guess I can try Oceania as a learning experience.

[Incabulos]

I guess I can try Oceania as a learning experience.


I am in a few games already; I don't mind if you take them instead of me.

Have fun :D

[P3D]

Sorry, haven't seen you taking them alreadY. Keep them, eh...

[Toran]

It's known how to access the games on llamabeast's server, but the direct link to the game is http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Beardaxe.

Might be nice to add it to the first page.

[Toran]

Ehm, guys, what's up? That hard to send in your pretenders? :)

[Quitti]

Well Juffos is away until monday anyway so the game won't go forward until that in any case ;)

[Amonchakad]

Pretender's in - sorry for the delay:)

[Fantomen]

All pretenders in! Get rolling!

[mighty_scoop]

Finally Beardaxe started ... good luck to you all and ... have fun !

[Toran]

Yeah, I know, Arco needs to make the riiight choice in first turn, but please, get it going :)

[GrudgeBringer]

Heck, I think I might have made a mistake in my first turn also...Making my pretender!!:doh:

[Yestin]

I (Arco) am really sorry about the time it took me to do the first turn, it's my first game and it took me a while to figure out how to send the file.

[Toran]

Yay. It's in the llamaserver FAQ, but if there are questions, feel free to bother us - so we can enlighten you and get our fix :p

[Fantomen]

I didn´t get the last turn to my email. Resend don´t work either.

EDIT: Ok, now it worked.

[Jazzepi]

Looking for research pens. You know, the air quills? We're willing to trade 2 lightless laterns once we hit construction 6 for every 3 pens you forge for us now.

Jazzepi

[Fantomen]

Foul ole Ron, Smoker of Goat****, awoke to grim news this evening. The Bandar log, the very same nation to which he sent a message of peace the same morning had made a honourless attack of the defenceless people of Mount Amazhair.

He put his pipe aside and summoned the oracles. Agartha shall not rest until this foul deed is avenged. Unless, of course, this was a mistake of some sort and the Apes wish to appologize?

[Amonchakad]

Yestin and Fantomen,please check your PMs :)

[Amonchakad]

NAP 3 signed between Bandar Log and Agartha.

[Fantomen]

Reason: Foul ole Ron needed a new dealer.

[Juffos]

Hosting postponed by 24 hours due to player request.

[Fantomen]

Yestin, are you reading your PM:s?

[Toran]

Yestin, are you reading your PM:s?

Well, he's staled five times already, including the last turn. Could be coincidence...

[Toran]

Hm. Any chance for our Arco player to re-emerge, or should he be set to AI (would be a shame, but five stales is a shame as well)..?

[duncanshriek]

Hm. Any chance for our Arco player to re-emerge, or should he be set to AI (would be a shame, but five stales is a shame as well)..?

And now 6 stales in 16 turns. For that bad proportion Arco has still remarkable good scores. Yet I think it is already too late to interest a substitute in Arco.

My vote: Set Arco to AI.

[Juffos]

I postponed hosting by 24 hours and sent a PM to the player of Arcoscephale. Unless a message is received, a sub will be looked for.

[Juffos]

Postponed hosting by 5 days in order to let the sub thread do its job. If a sub isn't found, I will have someone put the nation to AI.

[Toran]

Hey, seems we have a sub already, or is the original player (Yestin) with us again?

[Juffos]

It seems like Yestin is with us once more. No one staled last turn.

[mighty_scoop]

Hi Juffos,

please delay the game for 24h ... tomorrow i have deadline for my master thesis and still a lot of work to do ;-(. I didn't inform you earlier, because i thought the last turn would take until friday ...

greetings

[Juffos]

Hosting postponed by 54 hours due to multiple player requests.

[Klepto]

Apologies for missing a turn, I've had some problems with my ISP but it seems to be working again now.

[Fantomen]

There is an error with the mac version of the latest patch, that means I (and perhaps others too) need a pause until the problem is solved.

It seems to be a mistake made by Illwinter in sending the wrong file to Shrapnel. Hopefully they will solve it fast.

[Jazzepi]

The new patch is out and ready to go.

Lets patch up and get our turns in :P

Jazzepi

[Toran]

Yep, I'd really love to continue this game here!

[Toran]

Hm, Arcos has staled the last two turns again - should/could we consider AI-ing him? The game would run smoother, and he's got quite a few stales under his belts now to make it unattractive as a sub nation...?

[Baalz]

He's also under attack by two neighbors (at least) so I wouldn't suggest trying to line up a sub unless they're aware of the position.

[Jazzepi]

Staled Staled Turn received Staled Staled

He's staled 4 out of the last 5 turns.

Set him to AI.

Jazzepi

[Fantomen]

Yes please do that.

[cupido2]

Oops. R'lyeh goes fthagn.

[Fantomen]

Sorry about the stales fellows, I got caught up in personal troubles. My position seems to be intact enough so I´d like to play on.

But I need a delay over the weekend until sunday night cause I need to go to strassbourg on short notice. I hope thats ok.

[Juffos]

Postponed by 80 hours.

Will (probably) do the same after the turn hosts, because Agartha has already sent their turn in.

[cupido2]

Good bye, cruel world.

Ftaghn...

[Jazzepi]

Marignon is looking for astral gems. Have all sorts to trade for them. we can also forge lightless lanterns at a slight markup if you'd like better research.

Jazzepi

[Juffos]

The quickhost time will be on 200 hours until next Tuesday due to travelling.

[Juffos]

Quickhost back on 54 hours.

[Toni_Bubu]

Hi everybody,

mighty_scoop just gave me a call, he was crying uncontrollably and told me his life depended on me telling you guys to pretty please postpone the next turn for 24 hours because he has no access to the internet right now. thank you!

cheers, T_B

[statttis]

Vanheim needs air gems and is willing to trade astral or nature for them. PM if interested

[Juffos]

mighty_scoop can rest easy, for hosting has been postponed by 24 hours.

[duncanshriek]

Because the couple is too shy to announce it themself, I as witness have to make it public:

Chloroplaston of Pythium and Ol'Boozeroony of Machaka have climbed together into the marriage bed. (I have not been close enough to
discern sexes behind their ugly appearences though)

Please be not cheap on your wedding gifts. Pythium has already plenty of resources, they'll hardly notice minor gifts.
Imagine, Pythium has granted 'F1 A2 W1 S3' (what a name!) the Arch Theurg, who hid from fire for all of his long life,
a fire empowerment shortly before he'll fall completely to senility,
just in order to deliver a few Astral Fires to my militias.

If somebody is without addresses for the gifts, I could provide those on a short notice.

The couple intends to make their honeymoon trip through the beautyful lands of Eriu. I understand that urge, but I have to
remind them: You have to pay your bill first.

Tuan, counselor of Erisera

[Toran]

Bartholome, the high priest of Pythium, has to express his sadness about the Eriu behaviour.

Not only had there been peaceful relations for a long time, before the Eriu aggression led to a war between the two nations - the Eriu moral lowness is revealed as well in their accusation of our honoured god having sex at all. While this is most probably common practice in Eriu, Chloroplaston refuses any such mortal involvement ans is just striving for immortality by philosophy.

And while we have had no previous contact with Machaka regarding this military operation, the Eriu aggression shows that this would indeed be a contact worth making.

By the way, in contrast to the poor Eriu magery our Arch Theurgs don't need empowerment to dwell in Fire magic. They just learn it in their temples, following priestly duties. And the 'F1 A2 W1 S3' is just what your unadept tongues make of it, their names all have deeper meanings...

[Incabulos]

'f1 A2 W1 S3'
Faawsss

[Klepto]

Um... sorry for missing my last few turns. There's quite a lot going on in my personal life right now and I've not been able to be online much. It would be good if someone could find a sub for me, I'd do it myself but I probably can't be online enough to organise one. Otherwise I'll set myself as AI, I'm not a major player in this game anyways.

[statttis]

I've been double teamed this whole game. First it was me vs Caelum and T'ien Chi. Then I kill T'ien Ch'i and Mictlan attacks. Then I (almost) kill Caelum and Man attacks. It just isn't fair :(

[Fantomen]

I found out I will be going to Kenya the 8th of June to 8th of July. I´ve posted a thread looking for a sub so i hope I get one before then.

[mighty_scoop]

Hi,

because of the wedding of a good friend, i won't be able to make my turn until saturday deadline ... would it be possible to postpone it for 24h ... thx

mighty_scoop

[Juffos]

Game postponed by 24 hours.

[Toran]

Hiya, it's a general Dom3 question, however it's referring to our current game... everyone playing may notice that my research graph flatted quite a bit last turn, although I didn't change too much in my research point pool. I also didn't get all RPs spent into the field I had allocated to (I remember that I should have climbed up a level) - is that a known bug, and is there anything specific I can do to prevent it?

[Quitti]

Never heard of that bug myself. Did a lab blow up in one of your cities? That might explain it, though I'm not sure in which order research and random events work in the turn generation.

[Toran]

Nah, nothing at all. I have got the full number of RPs to be generated shown in the F5 screen, as it was last turn. I did not get a "Research has been completed in ..." message, and the RP generated (all going to a single field of research) would have been sufficient to climb a full level even if I had had the wrong amount of "research already done in the field" in mind.

And all of you can see that less RP have been spent than the turns before...? And nope, no lab blown (and, as I said, RPs generated were still shown).

Guess it's going to general bugs then....

[Toran]

Ehm, another thingy... I didn't notice really, but Caelum is quite dead (the nation as well as it's stale score).

I guess setting to AI would seem advisable, and would allow for quicker hosting?

[Juffos]

I will change them to AI, my nation has nothing to do but to turtle in the mighty keep of Ulm.

[mighty_scoop]

Sorry for staling last turn ... i'm right at the moment in Hamburg and have no internet here ... thought my hotel had wlan access but i was wrong. I'm back at monday evening so i'm able to send my turn before next deadline.

Greetings

[Fantomen]

Sorry folks, I´ve been unable to participate. Too much stress regarding the trip and other stuff. I´ll set myself AI now since no sub as emerged from the depths of the fora despite my attempts to find one.

Again, a hundred excuses for your inconvenience.

Fantomen.

[Jazzepi]

I just got $2100 between three different random events this turn.

I love misfortune 2.

Jazzepi

[Juffos]

Hosting postponed by 24 hours due to player request.

[Toran]

Oh come on, guys. Can't be true, right? End game's approaching, poor Toran wants to get a taste of getting kicked in the late game for a change (rather than early on :p), and now half the players remaining are staling?

I mean, you decide to play in a game, isn't there any remote idea of "I'll play it to the end if I get strong" ...?

[Toran]

Independent from my not-so-happy rant (hey, you will show up again, right? Not leaving this game to die now!) - can we extend for 24 hours?
Or make it a three days hosting interval in general, the turns are taking me some time now :)

[Baalz]

Mictlan started staling immediately after I eviscerated his main army, barring a word from Scarlioni I'm thinking he's gone for good which is a shame as there's still a bit of fight in the nation. Quite disappointing about Atlantis, but I bet Marignon just missed one turn. My suggestion is we set Mictlan AI and find a sub for Atlantis leaving a nice 4 way power struggle for the end game. I'll ask Juffos for the admin password since he's probably not watching this thread anymore, Atlantis or Mictlan better speak up fast if you're still playing.

[Baalz]

Whoops, looks like I jumped the gun a bit, Quitti has the admin reigns. Forwarded him Executor's email addy, hopefully we can keep this game from dying.

[Toran]

I would also like to emphasize the need for a delay until we have found a sub :)

[Executor]

HELLOOOO! ANYBODY OUT HERE!?!?! (echo)

Hello to everyone. I'm the new Atlantis, or maybe not we'll see, and I'm still waiting for that turn. 3 stales in a row may not be fatal but 4 possibly could.

I see a lot of people are staleing here so if you don't change the address for Atlantis by the time the turn hosts I'll assume you aren't all that interested in continuing this game, esspecilly since nobody seems to be sending turn for some reason.
If you all lost interest, and it seems that way, you should probably quit, or declare someone the winner or get a judge to do it IMO.

[Jazzepi]

I didn't realize that Atlantis was staling, but I have no interest in stopping, really.

Jazzepi

[Executor]

It seems you are the only one.
With such lack of interest for this game I think there is no point in me taking a sub position here, or even continuing the game at all for that matter.
I suggest (if anyone at all reads this thread) that you concide to one player or if you can't do that, than bring in a judge to access each position and declare one nation the winner.

[Toran]

Well, what's up now? It seems Atlantis was willing to play, Jazzepi had submitted (my turn was only a skeleton turn since I noticed no delay was scheduled), the game host hasn't submitted himself and wasn't/isn't reacting to this thread or PMs..... ??

I'd love to play, but I hate it when ppl drop even though they have more than just a few remaining provinces....!

[Quitti]

I usually come to forums to pretty much only check my PM's, and I was away hiking for the whole weekend,

EDIT: Didn't seem to even get the turn in, though I made it.

Last time I checked, beardaxes forum post was not even on the first page. If someone has to get a message to me, I'd suggest the PM feature, it's there for a reason. (Baalz did PM me when I was away, but that doesn't help now). A bad timing for my trip probably, but still. I'll PM Executor if he still wants to take over Atlantis.

[Toran]

Well, guys, will we continue this one? Obviously we'd want Atlantis onboard as well - I'd be in for the end game. Who else?

[Quitti]

I'm in for the bitter end. Hosting has been postponed for now for players to decide about the game's future, should we look for a sub/AI atlantis or end the game. Do voice your opinions.

[Quitti]

Executor will not be able to sub for Atlantis anymore, no-one has voiced their opinions, and I was asked for a extension, so I'll be postponing the game even more. It'll host now on sunday midday european time.

[Jazzepi]

I'm happy to play. There are still several powerful nations left. I don't see why we can't find a sub for Atlantis, he's doing great, and I'm sure he has several artifacts.

Jazzepi

[Jazzepi]

I'll look for a sub for atlantis. I don't know why Executor spazzed out left.

Jazzepi

[Quitti]

Indeed. And thanks for looking for the sub. I'll postpone the game for few more days in search of a new sub. I know Exec's reason for backing out (we exchanged a few PM's) and I don't blame him for getting out of his sub position.

[Baalz]

So, only 2 nations submitted turns last host, I'm not really keen to put much time into doing my turn. I vote we end this game.

[Toran]

Ehm, I can understand if ppl are pissed, but the last mass-stale most probably was just due to an expected delay (which wasn't given).

I mean, you staled yourself, Baalz ;)

Still - I would really hate it if this game dies this kind of death.... :/

[Jazzepi]

I admit being a tad frustrated if only that I agree with Toran on why there was a mass stale.

Jazzepi

[Quitti]

Well, the last host was 5th of July, which was over a week ago when I was hiking. Still, if people want, I can revert the game back to turn 62. Or we could end the game since I haven't had any offers for sub position for Atlantis, and the situation doesn't seem to advance. Or we could set him AI.

At the moment, looking at the score graphs, Marignon seems to be on the top of most of them, but at this point of game people might have a few tricks up their sleeves to use against bigger invaders...

[Toran]

Well, while I realy won't be able to play this one alone if noone else wants to play any longer :p, I'd love to get to a real end. I mean, sure, Marignon is leading the graphs, but we all know that one or two major battles might turn the tide of a game in this stage.

Plus it's my first real end game which I'd hate to see staling out ;)

[Toran]

'kk, last call. I'd love to get decided what will happen to this game - pls, just vote everybod if you'd love to go on or end it (prematurely....*sniff*). If it goes on, please postpone the next host a bit, I'm going to leave for a day.

No point in keeping this game in coma for such a long time - and I still have an open bill for a certain Seraph :p

My vote - go on :)

[Jazzepi]

Toran, why doesn't everyone else just set themselves or AI, or something, and then we can DUKE IT OUT.

Jazzepi

[Baalz]

I'm having fun, but I'm a bit reluctant to pour much time into doing a turn unless there's still many people interested. So...I vote continue contingent on critical mass.

[Quitti]

I'm leaving for a few days tomorrow, and I'll be back on thursday or something like that. I'd like to have at least majority of the games players to tell what they want, end the game or go on with a sub/ai Atlantis.

[Toran]

Toran, why doesn't everyone else just set themselves or AI, or something, and then we can DUKE IT OUT.

If the others don't want to play, I'd happily agree. I bet I would lose (just no late game experience, as you noticed), but there's no way for learning other than die trying ;)

[Toran]

Dee-dum, okay, what's the current state?

Toran: go on
Jazzepi: go on
Baalz: depending on mass
Quitti:

Atlantis + Mictlan would be going AI then (a shame)?

[Quitti]

I can continue, though I don't see my nation winning the game, and in dominions there are no second places...

[Toran]

Well, let's get a conclusion then - shall it go on? Will our both absentees be AIed? Will I get a 1day extension, since I won't manage to make a full turn until tomorrow?

Toran.

[Jazzepi]

I'm happy to continue whatever happens. As a last resort, just set everyone else AI and let me and Toran fight it out.

Jazzepi

[Toran]

Well, for that last resort (I don't want it to happen :p) I'd rather prefer other nations as no-go-areas and let them infinitely stale. Otherwise we'd get quite some in-balance with all the AIs around.

You still owe me 100 pearls for my Wish-a-Seraph-O-Matic!

[Quitti]

Postponed for 24h, meaning saturday is the hosting time. Let's get the game going. I'll get someone to AI the staling nations.

[Toran]

Hm, noone has sent an AI turn for the staling nations yet (boring?), and there's only two .trn files in yet... of course the remaining two guys will submit in the next 10 minutes? :)

[Jazzepi]

Toran, do you want to just concede that the nations outside of our own will be off limits, and let them stale?

Jazzepi

[Toran]

Well, of course I'm severely handicapped, having less than you of everything and can't make use of my diplomatic achievements.... but rather than letting this game rot, I'd prefer to go down fighting ;)

Two problems -

a) I'm still fighting what's left of Machaka (another thing handicapping me), and can't really focus on an outer enemy when having a rampaging AI around. Could we agree on a cease-fire for, say, three turns on the mainland where I'm still getting rid of Machaka? I mean the area west of where a few footmen of yours died this turn.

b) We'd need the admin password and another delay. I had hoped that the other players would show up and explain why they didn't submit, but... well, won't happen. I'll ask Quitti for the admin rights.

[Quitti]

I overslept my turn (damn fridays :D). I'll be willing to give admin rights to Toran since he's more active here than me.

[Toran]

Heya, guys - I've postponed the game now for one more day. We just need to decide how to go on, definitely. Quitti has submitted a turn, but I haven't heard anything from Baalz even though he wrote he'd go on in this game...

Also, what about the two AI candidates? What happened about those? They should be set only AI if it's not going to be the "Toran dies at Jazzepi's feet"-showdown game type...

[Jazzepi]

Mictlan has staled the past 4 turns, he's out.
Atlantis has been staling the past 5 turns, he's out.

That only leaves C'Tis and Abysia for consideration.

Baalz (Abysia) hasn't said anything here since the whole thing began. I would simply PM him and ask him.

Quitti (Quitti) seems interested in playing.


So let's get Mictlan and Atlantis set to AI. Send Baalz a PM, and then set Abysia to AI if he doesn't want to play anymore.

Also, we might do well with a longer hosting schedule. Toran, can you postpone the game another 24 while we figure this all out?

Jazzepi

[Toran]

Game is postponed, no problem. I knew it would take some time to clear this, I'm just no friend of postponing for one week and then "just" put it back to two days, while maybe someone is away, counting on that week.

It'd be a pity if we had to set half the players to AI, making a really large game. Anyway, I'll PM Baalz.

[Baalz]

Ah, sorry, this dropped off my radar with all that snafu, I'm game to keep going, I should be able to submit a turn later today.

[Jazzepi]

Okay, so that only leaves us with Mictlan and Atlantis set to AI and the rest of the players still in position.

Jazzepi

[Toran]

Okay. I've never done that game admin thingy before - in order to set a nation to AI I need a player not in the game that submits the turns with orders to set to AI, correct? Should I just ask in the MP forum, or is there anyone I could approach directly?

[Toran]

Just to bump - what's the exact procedure needed for me to switch those nations to AI?

[Baalz]

You are correct, you need somebody not in the game to do it, get a volunteer and switch the nations email address to theirs. They'll submit a turn going AI.

[Jazzepi]

Can I get like a 3-4 hour extension? Doing some programming with my lab group.

Jazzepi

[Toran]

Kk, I did the postponing and postponed a bit longer to get the AI setting done, which you probably notice from absurd Mictlan/Atlantis attacks.. *sigh* :)

[Toran]

Dang - I'll be back later than planned, so I request a 12 hours hosting delay from myself.

[Jazzepi]

I need a 48 hour extension. I've got a group project due on Monday, and I'm strapped for time.

Written 1000+ lines of code in the past five days.

Jazzepi

[Toran]

Okay, postponed. I'll have my turn ready Monday latest, so if you decide to submit earlier, auto host will do the job then.

Toran.

[Toran]

Deedum, postponed for 12 hours due to Jazzepi's request.

[Toran]

I extended it for 12 hours, even though I hopefully/probably will manage to finish my turn earlier.

[Toran]

Heading for a chapter of my thesis to get finished in time, I humbly ask for a 14hr delay that will allow me to do my turn tomorrow... (and I'll need someone else to post in this thread, so it doesn't become a pure monologue..).

Toran.

[Baalz]

I like ice cream

[Calahan]

I like jelly (or jello depending on which side of the Atlantic you are on)

[Toran]

Hm, I probably should be more careful with what I'm asking for, but at least Baalz reminded me of the ice cream I had forgotten to put back into the freezer... and I had to look up jell(o/y), since I'm not a native speaker, even though it sounds like the gelatin it mainly consists of... ;)

But at least I managed to do half my turn already. Will see how long the rest takes me.

[Jazzepi]

I need another 4 hour extension. Legends and Beardaxe constantly falling on the same hosting cycle is brutal.

Jazzepi

[Toran]

There's just too many provinces to handle for you. Let me lend you a helping hand in that one....

[Jazzepi]

I need a 72 hour delay. I probably won't use all of it. The turns have gotten a lot more complicated with Abysia's BETRAYAL of our NAP, but, what are you going to do :V

In any case, I've got finals on Wednesday, I've got a group project due Monday, meeting Saturday, picnic to run Sunday.

So I'll do the soon ASAP, but I'm swamped right now.

Jazzepi

[Baalz]

Come on, you can't really expect NAP's to be honored when you put up Arcane Nexus...twice, can you? Putting up the Nexus is essentially declaring that you've already won, would anybody care to dispute it? Particularly with the two large AI nations, it seems very silly to expect several turns of sucking in hundreds of gems to not be seen as an overtly hostile act....

[Jazzepi]

<3

The all caps was to emphasize sarcasm.

Jazzepi

[Baalz]

Ah, my sarcasm filter gets disabled at drunk o'clock on Friday. ;)

[Toran]

Ahem, I'm sorry about not telling that I'm leaving for a day and just returned. Pretty bad if you're game admin, I know, but of course one always prefers if the delay requests roll in earlier - so I hope you're not that pissed and please excuse that slipping. I'll inform about "aways" in advance from now on - if you still need a delay now, please drop me a PM.

[Toran]

Postponed for 24hrs due to Jazzepi's request.

[Toran]

Delayed for 24 hours due to my humble request.

[Jazzepi]

I've been dragging myself back to this game again and again. If it isn't clear that I haven't had a focused agenda for Marignon for the past several turns, my inability to defend against the barrage of assassination spells should be proof of that. Even before the huge set of stales, I was starting to just submit "maintenance" turns recruiting wizards, forging gear, summoning stuff. Especially when I thought this game was going to end, I just stopped really caring.

So, like if Baalz is okay with shutting down Legends of Faerun with the 2nd or 3rd most powerful nation at his commands because his turns have gone to boring-slog mode, I don't see any reason why I can't bail on this one for the same reason.

I won't submit an AI turn unless I'm asked to, but please find a sub.

Jazzepi

[Toran]

Well, I couldn't claim I was feeling sure of any victory chances against you, especially with that AN up. In fact, all of us are worried about what you're bringing all the time, considering your huge gem income and the strikes that you deliver, even though you're "just submitting maintenance turns".

I mean, when the game was about to stop, you stated "I'm happy to continue whatever happens.", and it would be obvious that a game in that stage was always going to take some time to play. Would be a shame to let this one here die, now that the conclusion approaches... :/

I'll postpone for 48hrs, until this matter is resolved by discussion - don't know if a subbing that late in the game is a realistic idea...?

[Jazzepi]

I was pretty pissed when I put up my last post. Give me a day to think it over. I don't really feel like ruining this game for anyone.

Jazzepi

[Toran]

Ping - may I ask for the result of your "think-over"? Added another day delay.

[Quitti]

I would also be mightily interested in the outcome of that thinking.

[Toran]

*ping*

Together with a delay. Hey, Jazzepi, don't leave us hanging! (we know you were around in the forums :P)

[Jazzepi]

Sorry, I keep putting this off.

Baalz's poor admin skillz, and inability to follow his own personal pledge shouldn't affect this game, so I'll try to continue. And I'll get a turn in tonight.

Jazzepi

[Toran]

Well, I had not really bothered to check out other games than this one here. I'm really sorry that there are .. disputes out of the game which are not related to ingame stuff.

And as much as I'd love to play this game, I'd also love to have people play a game here - means, your nations are fighting each other, not the players. There probably is no fun in submitting a turn for a game where you feel pissed by either the conditions or another player - so I'd love to get you sorted out that stuff.

Please notice I haven't mentioned anyone specific "you".

[Toran]

Ahem. Bad style probably, but I had prepared my turn to be finished tonight. Maybe half an hour left to do, but I got so tired I wouldn't get a decent last stand put up - so I'll postpone it for the morning (~9 hours) and will submit ASAP then. Hope you don't mind too much.

Toran.

[Toran]

Dang. I have just returned from hospital where I was for a knee surgery. They had promised I would get back yesterday, but then decided to keep me there for a boring night. With two games to complete for submitting a turn, I wouldn't really manage to get a single one in with a proper turn. I hope you don't mind me if I postpone for 24 hours - the lengthy games/turns take their toll, but I still enjoy 'em - hope you will as well, even with that delay.

[Quitti]

I don't mind the postpone - I had a long day at uni and would've needed to rush in the turn myself too.

[Toran]

Okay, hostrun has proceeded with everybody having got his turn in.

The next hostrun is postponed slightly to accomodate Jazzepi's weekend traveling activities.

If you lose a dozen Harbingers during that trip, noone would be too sorry :p

[Toran]

Great. There ain't a good time for a PC power supply to smoke off, but mine did (at least it seems so). Means, I managed to stale in Lapis and just installed Dom3 on a friend's notebook.

I'm adding 12 additional safety hours in case I won't manage to redo the full turn until this evening. Plus gotta check/buy a new power supply.

[Baalz]

So, wanted to take the pulse of this game. Without being able to bring down the Nexus it seems a long drawn out war against Marignon is unwinnable. My last hope was that we could all blitz him hard enough before he got critical mass, but obviously that's not happening. The way I see it is Atlantis is impossible for me to deal with without devoting a large portion of my resources - ignoring him along that long coast is killing me. This leaves in the medium term Marignon relatively free to focus on Pyth and C'tis who don't seem to have much traction on a fast assault. With the AI presumably spending its large gem income Marignon is probably pulling in several thousand gems over the next game year including the bloodstones and clams he used to originally power the nexus. My vote is we call the game for Jazz unless you guys honestly thing that there is anyway else this is going to end.

[Toran]

Well, I don't want the game to become a burden for the players, otherwise I'd just call for an end.

It's definitely the case that Atlantis is pounding on Abysia (as at everybody, probably), and I don't have enough of an overview to assess the situation correctly. From what *I* am feeling right now, Mar's grip starts to losen around me and I'm gaining an upper hand on several fronts (Mictlan's pressure has been taken off as well).
But of course this could just be due to Baalz taking the beating right now, I'm just seeing a couple of Harbingers (definitely not unbeatable), I don't have the full intel.

Difficult situation for me - I don't want to cancel it too early, but don't want to stretch it too far for other players as well. If Jazzepi tells us "honestly" that he's getting >250 gems per turn and has 2 dozen Seraph/Tartarian class SCs ready (I'm at ~1 dozen), I'd definitely concede.
Dang. How to get an impartial ruling on that one? :)

[Baalz]

I don't know that we need an impartial ruling on that benchmark, as a worst case scenario he's close to it. He's showing via score graphs ~140 gems per turn income. I know for a fact he's got a bunch of clams from when I spammed earth attacks at him (lots of clam holders got hit). With the large AI nations, along with whatever the human nations (including Mari) are spending it's pretty hard to imagine the nexus isn't pulling in 100+ gems per turn - particularly as we try to push a war with Mari. My guess is his overall income is over 300+ gems per turn, maybe as much as 400+. Bluntly, I'm not going to be able to be too much a threat offensively for the next several turns, and even after that I'm faced with the choice of either trying to dig that damn AI out from under the waves or trying to fortify my incredibly long coast.

[Toran]

It's not as if I was questioning your judgement (llamaserver says he's getting 180 per turn, and he's using at least 100 pearls every second turn for wishing the Chalice away ;)), it's probably just that I'd love to be crushed myself before conceding.
Of course I could see that this could take some time - I was hoping he'd focus on me rather than one of you.

[Quitti]

Well, I haven't seen much resistance at all - been just waltzing around his lands and sieging a few forts that I can. Gathering speed and such, but I don't know how big a dent I can make in marignon's total forces. I have limited options on what to do, due atlantis raiding my provinces also with mismatch-equipped casters and troops that can beat my PD but nothing else. Still, I know a bit about what happens in other fronts - if Baalz/Toran don't think we have a decent chance of bringing Marignon down, I can vote for his victory.

[Toran]

That's my problem as well - haven't met (that) much resistance the last few turns. If I saw heavy resistance over here, AND Baalz was under pressure, AND Quitti was going to throw the towel, I'd be more than willing to concede.

I'm just wondering why we're still up - according to Baalz' numbers we should be, but instead Quitti and I are making progress...?

[Quitti]

Yeah, progress is being made - only limiting thing now is basically that I can't move my troops much faster to capture provinces. I don't doubt that it might change at any time, but still, it'd still leave Toran "free" to do whatever he wants.

[Toran]

Postponed for 24 hours on Jazzepi's request.

[Toran]

Ahem, sry guys, my turn's done, but there remains a single (important) problem for me, which is technical:

I have an army that refuses to move for several turns now (I thought it had moved finally, but I realized today it didn't). I have read somewhere in the forums about that before, but can't get the key words up to re-find it. What's the solution for that behaviour (other than hefty cursing), I think the cause isn't really known so I could avoid it?

I hope you don't mind if I put 6 hours in, since I hope/think/feel/guess that one of you will be able to give me a hint about that one at least. After that I'll submit right at once.

Toran

[vfb]

If you have any stealth units in the destination province, you could try moving (sneaking) them all out to a totally different province. I saw a recent post where someone said his army finally managed to move when a scout of his which had been hidden was discovered and killed.

Other than that the only known solution AFAIK is to go around and use a different route.

[Quitti]

Interesting. I've not heard of that problem before - have you tried moving it simply the other way like vfb said?

[Toran]

Hm, unfortunately there is neither a cloaked unit inside that province, nor is there any other way to that province without going around half the continent.. :/

Will see what to make from that.

[Toran]

Delayed for 18 hours due to Quitti's request...

[Quitti]

Thanks.

[Toran]

Heya, @Jazzepi: You haven't just been silenced, but not submitted a turn for two rounds now - surrendering, or what's up?

[Toran]

He only responded to me by PM and will hopefully post to this thread here as well, but Jazzepi stated that he won't play on.

No comment on that part, but what's the conclusion? Should I be declared winner, even though it'd be an AI-Wars game from now on, or does the rest want to unite vs. Pythium (duh! :P)?

A shame that there's another game ending due to inactivity...

Toran

[Quitti]

Indeed, a shame. You probably have the biggest forces at the moment from the active players, while I still might have a chance to beat you (at least, if not alone, then with Baalz), but the game is becoming quite tedious, so I guess I'd be willing to pass the game to be your victory. I'd like to hear Baalz' opinion before finishing the game though.

[Baalz]

Sure, congrats Toran!

[Quitti]

Very well, there's not much point in going to turn this into two-player game. Congratulations Toran :)

[Toran]

Well, thanks for the game then. It was fun for quite some time, mostly when there was no AI around ;), and at least I got quite a decent amount of heart beating from my (short) war vs. Baalz.

While I'm not sure I would have managed to stay against Jazzepi (although I had acquired the Ultimate Gateway :p), I'd definitely have enjoyed losing the end game in some major battles rather than winning just by concession.

Well, at least the major wars I had were versus humans and not the AI.

Thanks again, guys!

[Quitti]

I actually fought more skirmishes with the AI Atlantis than any other player. At least it feels like it. I did take some land from Marignon, but he wasn't there to defend it with any major forces. Just a few mages & royal guards vs my 25+ lizard shaman communions with disintegrate spam backing them up. And horribly crippled tartarians eating enemy fire.