Ulmish Civil Wars - All Ulm all of the time...

[chrispedersen]

Era: Late
Map: King of the Hill (50 vp). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=35876
Mods: cCBM
Ulmish Civil War
llamachris banners.
Victory: 3 capitals held 3 turns, or 50 vp.



Rules: Each faction will be named after an Ulmish count (aka Player).
A. *no diplomacy game*. Purely mano-a-mano, no holds bared vampiric fury. Ie., please no coordinating with other players, no trading. This is a game to test the might of your ideas, not the suaveness of your social skills =)
B. No fort on VP province.


Ok. Things I didn't do: I didn't restrict pretenders. And I gave ulm a 25% production bonus - can some one tell me what the LA-Ulm bonus is?

Also, you are going to have to rename the mods to whatever llama requires.



Nation:
BlackChris (LA-Ulm): Chris Pedersen
CountVonTolkien (LA-Ulm): Tolkien
SteurmMithras (LA-Ulm): Mithras
Count Szendrey (LA-Ulm): JimMorrison
PrinceLaveare (LA-Ulm): Laveare
AdjuctantDedas (LA-Ulm): Dedas (Pending..... )

[Mithras]

Oooh a slightly strange game.. sign me up. That is if you don't mind having someone who's likely to get beaten fairly quick...
Ooh and I would have thought a bit of diplomatic manuevering would be thematic, but hey its your game and I'm happy either way.

[GrudgeBringer]

I have never even looked at late Ulm....but I love the idea of a low magic tactical game. Let me mess around in SP with it tonight and if you don't fill up I will let you know tomorrow...Thanks

[Incabulos]

I am playing LA Ulm in betelgeuse and am in a few games already otherwise I would join in; I love the idea.

[Tolkien]

I'll sign up.

[llamabeast]

Grudgebringer - I think you should expect a lot of magic, most especially lots of vampires. LA Ulm is quite different to MA!

Having said that this sounds like a lot of fun. Sadly, llama is busy. :(

[lch]

I don't have time to play, but I like the idea. :)

[GrudgeBringer]

With the war of the rings looming and my March 7th wedding coming up....I errrrr better pass on this one, although I have wanted to do something like this for a long time.

Hope it gets off the ground and I can play in the next one!!:(

[Tolkien]

Grudgebringer - I think you should expect a lot of magic, most especially lots of vampires. LA Ulm is quite different to MA!
There's going to be magic everywhere, what with LA Ulm's massive magic diversity.

So yeah. :P

[Fantomen]

Count Szendrey rises to the challenge

[chrispedersen]

Two more to begin.. Dedas?

[Lavaere]

I'd play if your still looking as I'm an avid vampire fan

[Dedas]

Ha ha ha! Sign me up then. :)

[Fantomen]

Are we playing CBM or vanilla. I´d prefer CBM.

[Dedas]

Forgot about that, I don't play the current CBM, as I don't agree with the choices made.

[Fantomen]

Oh, which would those be?

[Dedas]

Giving pikes more damage and attack was the most recent one I discussed. Do a search if you want to read up on it.

[chrispedersen]

Dedas, I don't think thats an issue in late age - my remembrance is it was ea/ma. As I recall, pikemen have attack 10 in LA

[Dedas]

I'm talking about the weapon pike. CBM changes pikes to attack 2 and damage 6 instead of attack 1 and damage 5. LA Ulm pikeneers has pikes making them boringly cost effective over other LA Ulm infantry. But that is just one minor issue have with the current CBM.

[Fantomen]

I´m going to have to back out of this. Sorry for the hassle.

[chrispedersen]

Sorry to hear that ... (really sorry after making the mod =))

[quantum_mechani]

I'm talking about the weapon pike. CBM changes pikes to attack 2 and damage 6 instead of attack 1 and damage 5. LA Ulm pikeneers has pikes making them boringly cost effective over other LA Ulm infantry. But that is just one minor issue have with the current CBM.I'm sorry to hear that. The pike change is certainly not one I'm particularly attached to- you have certainly presented a convincing argument that something needs to be done, either scaling back the change or adjusting other weapons. I was under the impression most the recent cb changes were pretty uncontroversial, so if you have other issues please bring them up in the cb thread. Even if I don't respond immediately, I always go over the thread carefully before releasing a new version.

[chrispedersen]

Qm,

I have an idea which I have been thinking about incorporating into my version of cbm; perhaps you'd like to consider it.

Here are three options I have been considering:

1. Make the attack armor negating/armor piercing. I tend more toward the former.
2. Giving pikes a first strike bonus, like the lance.
2. Giving pikes the weapons an add on attack, that is a one time thing, something like what a net gets.

What would make the most sense would be a one time effect that was AoE/AN - but not a lot of damaage.

This would work best against heavily armored targets - just like pikes traditionally were used for.

[quantum_mechani]

Qm,

I have an idea which I have been thinking about incorporating into my version of cbm; perhaps you'd like to consider it.

Here are three options I have been considering:

1. Make the attack armor negating/armor piercing. I tend more toward the former.
2. Giving pikes a first strike bonus, like the lance.
2. Giving pikes the weapons an add on attack, that is a one time thing, something like what a net gets.

What would make the most sense would be a one time effect that was AoE/AN - but not a lot of damaage.

This would work best against heavily armored targets - just like pikes traditionally were used for.All of those look pretty extreme, I think I'd probably rather leave them as base than something with such a huge impact.

One thing though, all the CB versions are confusing people quite a lot, so I'd appreciate it if you called any tangential mods by some unrelated name (though whatever part of CB you wish to use you are welcome too).

[KissBlade]

I'm talking about the weapon pike. CBM changes pikes to attack 2 and damage 6 instead of attack 1 and damage 5. LA Ulm pikeneers has pikes making them boringly cost effective over other LA Ulm infantry. But that is just one minor issue have with the current CBM.

You'd make pikemen's over rangers, shields and zweihanders...? Really...?

[chrispedersen]

C'mon Kiss - Join the game
Kitchen Stadium. We really need one more...

[Lavaere]

had a little test and we don't get the Ulm vamp spell. was that intended

[chrispedersen]

Nope it was not intended = )
I had to create the whole nations manually, so I will fix that before we start the game.

Also, does anyone know if LA ulm has a production bonus and if so how much>?

[chrispedersen]

Ok, the spell sanguine heritage has been copied for each nation, with someone along the name of ...

BlackChris' Taking
Prince Lavere's Taking.

Please give it a try. Also - if you could try a practice setup where you take another count's capitol - I want to see if you can build ghouls, templars etc., ie., if I have to make the magic sites unique.

I hope not, but I"m not sure.

[Lavaere]

No need to practice for that, I wasn't able to use them in the game I played before

[chrispedersen]

Great, Thank you!

[chrispedersen]

Game is started. Please submit Pretenders.

You will need to download the mods from the zip file at the first post, to get the flags, as llama gives no provision for zips or tga's.

[Lavaere]

its says chrispedersen CBM but I can't find it. and no link on LlamaServer

[chrispedersen]

Everything needed (as far as I know) is attached to the first post.

[Lavaere]

huh, who sent in Ulm instead of one of the custom Ulm nations

[chrispedersen]

Wish there was a way to tell. Anyway 4 in so far.. I have to go kid Jim to get his in.

[llamabeast]

That was Tolkien.

[Tolkien]

That was odd. I'll be resubmitting the pretender I suppose.

Llama, can you do me a favor and delete the Ulm file?

[chrispedersen]

Hey guys see if you can get two more people,or would you rather start as is?

[Ironhawk]

Seems like an interesting idea. I'll look forward to reading your thread as the game develops

[chrispedersen]

Why not join Iron - I'll change the name of the faction to
RedIron - you're actually probably a more skilled player than the rest of us.. Ok.. I'll say.. than me = ).

[Lavaere]

Well the map looked more 4 person then 6 person. So I have problem if its start now or wait some more

[Ironhawk]

Nah I've already got a game ramping up now. Thanks tho

[chrispedersen]

Well the map looked more 4 person then 6 person. So I have problem if its start now or wait some more

One vote for start... If I don't hear from anyone by tommorrow, start it is, Prince Lavere..

[Mithras]

I'm having some problems with the mod. While cCBM is clearly in the mod folder along with all the other mods I use the game claims I haven't got it installed.

[chrispedersen]

Check the actual name; when there is an error message it will tell you "xxx" not installed.

Rename the ccbm.dm to xxx.dm - and it should solve your problem. The module was renamed on Llama's server to avoid confusion.

On separate matters - I was called out of town suddenly, I brought the cd to install, so I may be able to get my turns in on time; otherwise there will be a slight delay.

Let me know if you need more time to resolve this matter.
Best,

Chris

[Lavaere]

yeah was kinda annoying, until I realised I just needed to take complete out of the mods name

[chrispedersen]

Error!

Turns out we should have tested more. When Laveare asked about Sanguine Heritage - I added it. I should have looked to see if there were more. There are. 4 More to be precise which I should have caught.

Attached is the corrected ulm.dm.

Game is paused until llama can unload and load new version. In the meantime.. please all check and make sure you have ALL ulmish spells. 5 in total

The current file only replaces the .dm - thanks.

Sorry .. and best wishes.

[Lavaere]

Guess I should of looked to see if there were others. Never really used anything but Sanguine and Construction before.

:) And I had finally gotten first strike by taking one of Chris regions.

[chrispedersen]

yah, I'm fairly careless.

Not to worry - llama has updated the website, so as soon as everyone confirms that they have patched and all is fine, we can continue.

Or maybe I'll just start the countdown anyway <eg>

[Mithras]

All done patchwise.

[Tolkien]

Now I just need my pretender to awaken so I can start summoning counts. :ninja:

[Lavaere]

Yeah I just got my pretender to awaken myself. Countessa Lillith de Lavaere

[chrispedersen]

Houston, we have a problem.

If you start a new game, the new mod seems to work ok. I can research and cast the ulm national spells.

However, in the current game, while I can research them - none of my casters are able to cast them.

You guys have been champs -what would you like to do?

[llamabeast]

Wait a turn. It takes a turn for changed spells to come into effect.

[pyg]

Sorry to be sort of off topic, but in the interest of trying to improve a generated version of LA Ulm I'd like to post the latest dmg'ed version of the Ulm Civil War mod. This version contains unique pretenders and heroes. The mod name is "Any Ulm Late Era"

[chrispedersen]

Ok. I suggest the following:

We get llama to make one more change (to the new version of ulm)
and that we continue and see if spells occur.

[llamabeast]

What's the one more change? You can't change to pyg's version unless all the unit numbers are the same as in your version.

[chrispedersen]

Hey pyg,

I looked at your code and I really appreciate the way you knocked it out.

I'm think it won't work for our game however, and I know there is a small problem generically.

Each spell needs to have a unique name - you can't have two spells call "Test" for example.

And you cannot add more than 3 restricteds, in order to add additional nations to have a spell. So while using restricted nations 72, 73, 74 etc will work for us in a 3 player game, it wouldn't work in a 6 player game.

This is why I suggested adopting the customization

%1 = Player Name (or nation)

then after the #newspell, #copyspell #name "%%1 {Original Spell Name}"

That way works for any number of nations.....

[chrispedersen]

Update, I think we're good to go. Laveare gets a break of a turn (since I won't have evocation spells till next turn - I hope he won't abuse it!)

I"m going to restart the timer...

Thanks for the patience guys.

[Lavaere]

Evo spells, guess your lucky.

Yay found Tolkiens pretender, but how come I can't seem to find yours

[chrispedersen]

LOL.. not everyone takes an immobile fountain of blood = )

[chrispedersen]

I want to report a violation of the rules of the game.

It was ... me!

50 Lashes with a wet noodle.
Tolkien was adjacent to one of my vacant territories - he did not attack it. I remembered the first turn, but forgot the second and asked him if we were at peace.

And he very properly reminded me this is a no diplomacy game.

So, the infraction was slight - the answer was deducible by his actions.

So applauds to tolkien, wet lashes to me. I think I"ll have to rename my game folder - no diplomacy.

[Tolkien]

I am sad to report that I'm going to have to go and delay the game abit. I'll be gone Thursday Afternoon-Sunday Afternoon, being preoccupied at JHUMUNC. If you can change the turn time to 48hrs and no quickhost for those few days, I won't need a sub.

EDIT: But the non-aggression still holds. :p

[Lavaere]

And I had both of you for not leaving any undefended regions anymore.
But Tolkien do you have much of any Dominion, because I ain't seeing anything.

[Tolkien]

I haven't been actively spreading my dominion much.

[chrispedersen]

I have set the game to 48 hr no quickhost.

[Tolkien]

Well you're going to have to postpone the game come the Friday-Sunday round. Without the quickhost currently, it would mean I'd have to send in the turn at 3AM (EST) on Sunday, and I know I can't make that. The soonest I'll be able to get access to a computer would be 22GMT Sunday. If we finished the turn on Thursday (morning or afternoon), I'll be able to send in a turn file before I leave and it should be fine otherwise.

[chrispedersen]

don't sweat it tolkien
get the turns in when you can - We'll make sure you don't miss a turn.

I hate stales for any reason...

[chrispedersen]

Quick host turned back on. Welcome Back Tolkien. Good job on getting turns in.

Edit: Arg. Apparently I forced it twice; Be sure to download and use turn ****21
****.

[Lavaere]

damn its looking more and morelike a loss for me. should of made a better pretender

[Tolkien]

Chris took most of the mercenaries early and got a headstart on expansion. Now we're all stuck trying to play catchup. :(

[Lavaere]

yeah I took the mage mercs. only problem I seem to have made my pretender with death. plus looking for blood slaves totally destroyed any sort of income I could of have

[chrispedersen]

Chris took most of the mercenaries early and got a headstart on expansion. Now we're all stuck trying to play catchup. :(

Yeah, I bid like 480.. or three times asking price.

[Tolkien]

I would normally scoff at offering that much, but considering how well you've expanded...

[chrispedersen]

Well, if you guys want to concede, we can start again.

I've actually learned a bit too - I absolutely want A4E4 on my pretender. It is *way* to slow trying to bootstrap otherwise.

[Tolkien]

I'm not conceding, not by a long shot. I'm just getting started. :P

There's also the F4W4 version of the staff, which is probably easier to reach considering there are more boosters to get up there (Robe of the Sea+Ring of the Sea+Ring of Wizardry+Skull of Fire gets you to F4W4). Then all you need is A2 to get into Air Boosters.

[Lavaere]

Even though I've lost, I can still learn somethings from this game. And atleast cause abit more damage

[Mithras]

Not conceding, even though all this talk of diversity is scaring me.

[chrispedersen]

What do you mean Mithras?

[Mithras]

um... nothing, you didn't hear anything about late game weaknesses... move along now. :D

[Tolkien]

I seem to be missing Iron Darts+Blizzard from my spell list.

[chrispedersen]

Dude! laughing you were supposed to replace the .dm file ages ago. Thats why we had a pause.

Scroll back the instructions are there - and it does work. Make the modification and you will have them in the next turn.

Buy the way: Has anyone gotten a national hero. I have luck+3 and usually by now I'd have several - but I've not seen one.

[Tolkien]

I redownloaded the whole mod again, though I still haven't gotten my uniques back ( :( ), besides for Sanguine Heritage (which when I cast it, says it's for Dedas).

Perhaps I'm missing the link to the .dm file?

[chrispedersen]

Ok.. try this in order:

Unload the mod.
quit dominions
delete the mod
Download it
Unzip it
Replace mod.
start dominions.

Next turn, you should have your spells back.

[Tolkien]

Did that for the past several turns, nothing happened.

[chrispedersen]

Ok, I don't know what to tell you.
What is the exact size of the .dm file you downloaded (after you unzipped it?

[Tolkien]

12.9 Kb.

[Lavaere]

looks like I'm first to go, damn useless pretender. but atleast I've finally seen a Vampire Count

[chrispedersen]

Just a humorous.. for the record.. ya know.. you attacked me.. I'm not sure that was the smartest move - and then ya did it again and again...

I'd have just ignored you except you kept attacking me!

[Tolkien]

Only one? I've seen half a dozen at least. :p

[Lavaere]

yeah well you were the biggest person around. and with the way I designed my god I wasn't going to win.
really should of tested her before we began

[chrispedersen]

Only one? I've seen half a dozen at least. :p


Thank Me for Solar Brilliance....

[Tolkien]

Solar Whoswhat? :P

Anyway, is there something I've been doing wrong? I still haven't gotten my uniques back (and I'm sad).

[chrispedersen]

Hmmm perhpas I misposted.

Anyway, tolkien - the mod at the head of this thread *is* wrong. I have no idea how, since we all used it to get started again.

However, you can get the right mod from the llama webserver, or if you wait until I get home (much later tonight).. I'll replace the mod at the head of the thread. Again.

[chrispedersen]

I added the .rar to the first post (.rar to identify it).
should have the corrected .dm

[chrispedersen]

Hey guys, I'm not getting turns from llama unless I specifically remember to ask for them - and then it works fine.

I have notified llama - but I got this turn right around midnight and I will not have time to get it in, so I have delayed the game.

[Tolkien]

I really got to start using that pile of blood slaves. Having a few hundred untouched seems abit like hoarding.

[chrispedersen]

Sorry guys, I was not able to get the turn in - I am trying something with llama.

I am sorry I have reset the turn. Y'all can use knowledge of the game if you wish. (So either resub your 41 turns or redo)

C

[llamabeast]

What are you doing with me? Maybe I have missed something.

[chrispedersen]

This was about the "I'm not getting any turns unless I ask for the turn to be resent, in which case I get two" thing I've been talking to you about the week or two.

And, as I also said in email .. it seems to be working again.

[chrispedersen]

I'm a little confused - sometime back you announced we had a nap Tolkien yet, you attacked without notification. Can you clarify?

I thought this was a little against the spirit of the game - but I guess I'd just like to know where we stand and whats going to happen.

[Mithras]

I wasunder the impression that this was a no diplomacy game. Otherwise I would have tried some. Of course diplomacy isn't really an issue when you have one obvious leader. :D

[chrispedersen]

Yeah I agree Steurm. I have been very careful not to talk except that one slip up.

I haven't actually attacked anyone in this game, except they attacked me first.

I probably should have gotten tolkien to rescind or clarify what he said earlier - but as I haven't attacked anyone before now it hasn't mattered before now.

Still, I'd like to know what to expect.

[Tolkien]

Those were my spys. I didn't know scouting was an act of war. :p

THIS turn I invaded. Being an ND game, I didn't think the NAP was going to be binding. If it wasn't, I would've notified you a few turns ago, 3 or 4.

Besides, I'm tired of sitting on my hands and building up blood slaves. I want to use them. :(

[chrispedersen]

Scouting isn't an act of war, however you attacked last round as well.

I feel a little disadvantaged; I wish you had clarified earlier. So I have now been attacked by all 3 players with no notice = ).

Fair enough, I shall do my best - although the advantage of surprise and two big militaries against me.. I will have to be a nelson to win this.

Ah well.. let loose the dogs of war!

[Mithras]

Because the advantages provided by 3 globals and a several advanced field armies aren't enough? :D

The following is not diplomacy. :angel
Remember I trail at third in most graphs apart from the giant chaff armies. However I'm obviously no speed bump and invading me at this point would be a very bad move, because any party that attempted this (with or without the aid of a theoretical thrid party) would then be left weakened facing said third party.

Obviously I notice that the same applies to certain parties and see that hostilaties agaisnt such parties would be detrimental before some theoretical third parties are marginalised, through seperate but cohesive action on multiple fronts.

Oh and in regard to the indiscriminate weapon I am using. Realise that it is intended to a) Prevent the use of the same by theoretical third parties b) Destroy key components in the advanced armies of theoretical third parties c) Deal little damage to certain economies like say blood hunting and the use thereof.

*Whistles* :D

[Tolkien]

My millitary isn't that big at all: it's rather small compared to Mithras'. It's just concentrated on your border and my border forts. Mostly you're just going to have to worry about blood SCs dropping in on you and my magic, I got 300 slaves stored up and ready to go.

Father Illearth hungers for blood. :p

[chrispedersen]

llamaserver down. Game will be delayed till tomorrow.

[Mithras]

Hope you don't mind the astral corruption Tolkien, been watching you a bit and it seems you don't use nearly as many non blood slaves as chris, and I had a few slaves to burn. Oh and sorry about the misfiring wild hunt, it still hasn't netted me any of chris' nice battle priests yet... (although I did get one of his blood mages which is odd because I'm sure the spell said powerfful priests, oh well.)

[Tolkien]

Not at all. I've got waaaay too many slaves anyway. Besides, at Blood-9 and claws of Inferno/Cocytcos, I'm not really afraid of any horrors anyway.

[chrispedersen]

Zoinks?

Astral corruption?

Guys I have found 2 bugs in this game: I'm not getting generic summons. And Province pd is not working right.

I don't propose to stop the game.. but ....

[Tolkien]

Can you elaborate on the issues? And I think we can, if you need it.

[chrispedersen]

Sheesh, for not coordinating.. you guys are doing a hell of a job double teaming me.

Betweeen the two of you, you've got 4 schools up to 9 - I don't have any!!!.

[Tolkien]

Four? I only have one up to 9 (construction is at 8).

[chrispedersen]

So here is what I found after careful inspection:

Issue: A

#defmult defaults to 20
however, I don't think the #defmult1b works at all and needs to be specified.

How this shows up in the game: I bought a bunch of PD- the second unit in the PD is supposed to be villains. I didn't get any.

So we've either got a game bug or a module bug - and I'd rather believe it was module.


Issue: B

No one has gotten the any heros - because there is a syntax error in the #heros command.


I've corrected the .dm (in the first post.) The only file that needs replacing is the UlmCivil...dm

Don't do it until llama notifies us that the server is patched. I've sent him an email.

[chrispedersen]

Can you elaborate on the issues? And I think we can, if you need it.

And by the way.. thank you for being a sport.
But no, now that we *all* know that PD is half as strong as it should be and why, I'm willing to continue a little while until llama can fix the issue, presuming you both are.

[Tolkien]

Sure.

Also: now I can finally get some heroes. I want the vampire one, I've always had a soft spot for him.

[Mithras]

I'd like to assure that I have a total of zero schools at nine. And yes um can't say I noticed the bugs... so yeah do what you need to.

[Mithras]

I'm experiencing minor technical difficulties which will stop me from getting turns in and, because I'm bone idle, it may take some time to fix. I am in a half decent postion (even if I'm last in the significant score graphs) and seeing I just put a few annoying globals up I would apreciate it if you found a sub for me... I don't think I'll have the time to put an advert up so sorry about the bother.
I really enjoyed this game, its a pity I'm probably going to miss getting crushed by chris... thanks.

[Tolkien]

I'm not going down without a fight. :p

[Tolkien]

Well that was a terrible turn for me. I didn't kit out Father Illearth well at all and now you've enslaved him. I even called forth the Abomination of Desolation (by pure luck) and you paralyzed him.

I'm almost willing to throw in the towel...but I still have a few tricks up my sleeve.

[chrispedersen]

Well, that was the plan.. I tried to make you route from troop loss and/or enslave him.

He's very interesting btw.. enslaved and sacred....

[Tolkien]

And now Horror Marked. :p

[chrispedersen]

But this is one of the times horror marked is a *good* thing.
Even enslaved he can eat most horrors for breakfast.

[chrispedersen]

Mithras.. are you sure you can't play a few more turns?

[Mithras]

I've got about 2 minutes of computer time left. So sorry no.

[chrispedersen]

Sorry to see you go Mithras.. if you get this.
Best wishes.

[Fakeymcfake]

Hey Chris, you need to empty your mailbox so I can send you my email address.

[chrispedersen]

OK! Everyone update to the last version of ulmxxx.dm Alex has fixed it on llama.

this will have the lines in it

hero1
hero2
hero3....

whereas the old one left off the 1, 2,3.

Also, update your battle scripts. I changed the name of the spells from BlackChris' Blizzard .. to just Blizzard. Etc.

And PD's will now be the correct (stronger) strength.

[chrispedersen]

Doh, I caught an error on the new .dm.

At least I caught it before we ran. Only three players may use the same spell name. So we are back to different spell names.

SM Taking, SM Blizzard, SM darts etc.

Again this *will* mess up your battle scripts. I have postponed the game but will ask llama to host it whenever he has updated his copy.

I'd like to assure Fakey, this hasn't been the average of our game. While we are trying something new, we have gone many many turns between problems.

So check to make sure your ulm spells have a 2 letter abbreviation before their name.

[Fakeymcfake]

Hey, what's the hosting time set at and can we make it slightly longer? I'm somewhat pressed for time between working on my house and trying to work a long term plan of some sort into my newly aquired nation.

[chrispedersen]

Hmmm, I haven't noticed what the hosting time is; I'll check in a moment - if its short it was probably reset by llama when he fixed the mod.

Or I'm having a brain spasm.
What would you like the interval to be?

[Tolkien]

48 hours would be nice. It's been at 24 hours for awhile now.

[Fakeymcfake]

48 hours works for me.

[chrispedersen]

We may have a problem... llamaserver is not processing. Since I didn't notice, I forced hosting.. still no result.. we may have two turns, whenever llama updates. Ignore the second.

[chrispedersen]

I have (or will have shortly) the current turns in. However, I have been called out of town Wed/Thursday, and so would like a 36 hour extension, delaying any processing on thursday to Fri/sat?

[Tolkien]

I'm fine with that.

[Fakeymcfake]

works for me.

[chrispedersen]

well I almost had my turn done, when I noticed tolkien didn't have his in.. so I paused it...

[Tolkien]

Silly me, forgot to send it in.

[Tolkien]

Was that rollback really necessary? :p

Now I need to do something entirely different again.

[Fakeymcfake]

Uh, one of my Demon commanders lost all his gear and got turned into a ulm ranger... anyone care to explain?

[Tolkien]

Ok, I think THAT warrants a rollback.

And an analysis of the code.

[chrispedersen]

this will almost guaranteed fix it:

make a new saved games folder.
download turn into (yes, must download)
run from there.

Check it out and let me know. If the problem persists absolutlely we can roll back.

However, I am 90% sure this will fix it. Has happened to me several times.

[Fakeymcfake]

Tried it chris, didn't work. Want to rollback or just push on? To be honest my interest in this game is waning as Magellan and other games pick up.

[chrispedersen]

I am always willing to resolve things, whenever players think things look unfair. So if a rollback is desired no problem.

I actually think I have the game - I just plan on grinding it slowly out.

So let me know!

[Tolkien]

For the moment, a delay should be made for this turn's hosting, so we can decide.

[chrispedersen]

Game rolled back and delayed 24 hours!

[chrispedersen]

Well, I don't know if anyone uploaded a new turn, but.. it processed.. and I immediately get a Nagok error.

Can anyone run it?

[Fakeymcfake]

How many times are we going to do turn 74?

[chrispedersen]

Oh.. I'm just recycling it waiting for comment, fakey. I've never actually done the turn as it takes like 12 hours at this point.

The last comment from tolkien was he wanted 24 hours for debate.
And as near as I can tell, no turn has been uploaded by anyone since then, and no comment.

I'll submit a turn before I leave on the trip. I'll set the host delay. If turns stale out after that, I'll declare the game finished....

Fair?

[Fakeymcfake]

Sounds good to me.

[chrispedersen]

Ok..I've spoken with both the remaining players and the consensus opinion is to concede the game with a BlackChris victory.

I'll leave this open if someone changes their mind overnight and otherwise end it first thing tomorrow.

Thanks to all who participated - LaVere, Steurm, Fakey, and Tolkien!

[Tolkien]

Though I didn't get to launch my offensive with my giant massed army down South. I had a massive communion at the ready with Relief, Fog Warriors, Darkness, Rush of Strength, Army of Lead, Will of the Fates, and Antimagic (and whatever else I'm forgeting). I wanted to see how my massive army of vampires, demons, guardians, and chaff would do.

:(

In any event, good game. Your expansion was miles ahead of everyone elses. I'd rather wait a turn or two to see how my army would fare, but in any event, you're the most likely winner.