Rookie Questions re Glamour and Patches

[Hector, tamer of horses]

Hi All

Two completely separate questions actually.

1)I am brand new. I have an old version 3.20 or 3.00. There have been many patches since then and I have no idea how to insert them into my game or how to find them. How would I do this?

2) I started out playing TC. I just got slaughtered by a bunch of Helhirdlings. I have no answer for them. I can't even seem to hit them ... with anything. How does one deal with glamour units like Helhirdlings?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

[theenemy]

1) What operative system do you have?

2) Try lots of archers. Glamour affects the defence stat, so it won't stop a good volley of death:p

[Tolkien]

Glamour has long since been nerfed and it no longer offers any protection from arrows, so yes. Mass composite archers (which TC should already be using with Fire Arrows).

[Ewierl]

I believe if you download the patch, it should tell you how to install it. AFAIK the patches are cumulative: it doesn't matter what version you had beforehand.

[Hector, tamer of horses]

I believe if you download the patch, it should tell you how to install it. AFAIK the patches are cumulative: it doesn't matter what version you had beforehand.


Thanks

But, excuse me for being an idiot, but where can I get the patch?

[Edi]

Try here (http://www.shrapnelgames.com/Illwinter/DOM3/DOM3_page.html)

[lch]

AFAIK the patches are cumulative: it doesn't matter what version you had beforehand.
That's true, you can install the latest patch from any version you have, you don't need to install each patch itself, one after another. But that's exactly the opposite situation to what I'd call "cumulative".

[Ewierl]

AFAIK the patches are cumulative: it doesn't matter what version you had beforehand.
That's true, you can install the latest patch from any version you have, you don't need to install each patch itself, one after another. But that's exactly the opposite situation to what I'd call "cumulative".

I meant that the patches are cumulative: each one contains all the previous ones, not that you need to install them one after another. But, yeah, the correct message has been delivered either way :)

[Hector, tamer of horses]

Thanks

All of you. Your responses were very quick and responsible.

I have a real idiot question for you. I received an arena summons. So figuring I wanted to win, I send my pretender. Heck it was turn two I figured I just reboot if he croaks. Well, he won alright. And I got this nifty little two handed trident. The problem is that the trident is cursed and now I can't get rid of it.

Can I break the curse to get rid of the thing?

Also, what happens when the next arena challenge arrives? Is my pretender required to go?

How can I get out of it?

Is there a way to send someone else in his place?

[Calchet]

It's generally a Very Bad Idea to send your pretender into the arena.

Until he dies, he will be forced to fight during each arena challenge, and unless he can change shape to something without hands, he'll be hanging on to that trident.

The only way to make him no longer be the champion is to let him die. If you just want to remove the trident, the Transformation alteration nature spell can likely turn him into a handless animal, but that's risky, and he'll probably become much weaker.

[statttis]

On the plus side, the arena trident is a very nice weapon to be wielding on turn two.

[lch]

In SP, against the AI, the risk of losing your pretender is quite low. You'll have to consider that your pretender won't be able to wield path boosters anymore, though.

[Endoperez]

Recommending that one's pretender casts Transformation is almost as bad as recommending that you send him into the arena in the first place...

Any way, don't sweat about that too much. You're still starting out, and even if you lose your pretender you can use priests to call him back. He will lose one pick from all his magic, but that won't affect any blessings or scales, and he won't have the trident afterwards

[Hector, tamer of horses]

Thanks guys

I think the consensus is:

1) It was a bonehead move in the first place, I got that. Live and learn.

2) Transfiguration into a blob of glue or something else without hands hands may get rid of it, but it may damage the pretender ... how bad one wonders? The consensus is that this is also a bad idea.

3) Let him die. Either in the arena or at the front taking as many of the enemy with him as possible. Death not being terribly crippling ... because you can reanimate him with only a small amount of damage.

Hmmmm! Got to love a game where killing your own god is the preferred option. LOL.

Thanks.

[Illuminated One]

2) Transfiguration into a blob of glue or something else without hands hands may get rid of it, but it may damage the pretender ... how bad one wonders? The consensus is that this is also a bad idea.

3) Let him die. Either in the arena or at the front taking as many of the enemy with him as possible. Death not being terribly crippling ... because you can reanimate him with only a small amount of damage.

Hmmmm! Got to love a game where killing your own god is the preferred option. LOL.

Thanks.

For a SC pretender Transformation is extremely bad. Transformation gives you a random animal which isn't better than your recruitables means he's useless. Killing him takes 1 away from every magic path he has. He might still be used as SC and the damage can be fixed by paying gems for empowerment.
For a rainbow mage it's not so bad, if you can live without boosters but then why bother getting rid of the trident anyway?

[Scarlioni]

Just a side note. Once your pretender dies you can get him back by using your priests. Set them to call god. Can take a little while but he comes back.

In a single player game I got a disease on my pretender. By the time he croaked I had almost 60 priests and got him back in one turn. He did come back with lots of afflictions though.

[chrispedersen]

try twiceborning him. And winning the game before another arena is called = )