Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Running

[fungalreason]

Meh do what you will. It's clear to me now you're incapable of managing this. I'm going AI. Enjoy.

[Aethyr]

I'd like to suggest we just stay with the current schedule until June 3rd, and then switch to 48 hrs. But if thats not amenable then we can switch, now by all means.
I disagree. The vote which moved for a change to 48 hours should be honored right away.

[chrispedersen]

The vote technically *lost*, but timer changed to 48.

[Jarkko]

However, Jarrko has requested the game be pause for a week on June 3rd. And while he is looking for a sub, it seems likely he will not find one.
Err... I asked for a 3 day delay on June 3rd (and again on June 13th). Which, if we had 48 hour cycles, would at most mean 24 hour delay (and none if the hosting cycle goes perfectly, ie I get in a turn right after hosting and just before I depart, then I'd have 96 hours-> no delay needed at all).

Really, it is not a week, at most 48 hours (if we are on a 24 hour cycle) or 24 hours (if we are on a 48 hour cycle) :)

[Fakeymcfake]

I'll take over for Chris if need be but I would have managed it in just the same way he would have. Anyone who thinks he's being unfair should take a step back and relax a bit. Anyhow, don't have a chance to look at the hosting time but I can't make any proper submissions for until late monday possibly tuesday so if you can delay the game about 12 hours or so that'd be super (Ulm too if you're reading this Chris, also clean out your mailbox).

[Jarkko]

Right, so who is now in charge? Fakey is the GM now?

I seriously hope the possibility for the 24 hour delay (if needed) still is ok, which is why I asked a couple weeks ago already (when cleveland gave an ok). Starting to panic here with all the recent changes, I so much hate staling and I thought if I take matters up in good time everything would be ok and good order, but now everything suddenly seem so fuzzy :(

[Fakeymcfake]

Jar, whomever is running this will give you your delay. Don't worry.

[Jarkko]

FNN (Forest News Network)

*BREAK THE NEWS*

A glorious defensive operation saves the Pangaean army!

FNN reporters were present today to witness the Pangaean army under the command of the prophet Hippothoos rapidly retreat from its besieging positions outside the city of Marverni. Reports of a massive Tien Chi army advancing from south and southwest had apparently convinced the Pangaen leadership to pick up everything and move away.

"This is a great day for Pangea!" exclaimed prophet Hippothoos after the army had moved out. "With this masterfully executed operation we have shown what Pangaea is made of, the enemy was not able to catch us, and we will prevail!"

Some Pangaen observers were not as positive of the victoryt. FNN succeeded to overhear the discussion between a High Priest in the service of Pangaea and Hippothoos.
"Our destiny was there, but you decided we must run away!" the High Priest was heard claiming.
"We performed a brave and valiant military operation which has saved Pangaea from a massive defeat." the prophet Hippothoos replied.
"Ah, so we valiantly ran away?" the High Priest is claimed to have continued. Sadly for the continuation of the discussion can not be presented for the audience, because of the centaur guards efficiently removing FNN reporterrs from the scene at this point.

Hidden amongst the countryside FNN reporters were present when the apparently very disappointed Tien Chi army arrived to the field outside Marverni. Hundreds of demons of heavenly rivers, pegasii and warriors of the five elements were seen. Leading the massive army were a score of heavy duty battle-mages, including the Tien Chi pretender herself.

Will Pangaea survive the onslaught of the Tien Chi main army? How many valiant retreats can Pangaea perform before they have lost too many? Why does not Pangaea send its thousands of manikin to battle?

Stay tuned to FNN and you will be the first to know the answers!

[chrispedersen]

FNN (Forest News Network)

Why does not Pangaea send its thousands of manikin to battle?

Stay tuned to FNN and you will be the first to know the answers!


zombie brains is my guess.

One, Two, hundreds.

[Jarkko]

Ok, I have sent in the next turn for Magellan. After the hosting on Wednesday evening, I would like to ask for the next hosting be delayed until Saturday 18 GMT please (ie a 24 hour delay unless you all suddenly get hyperactive), so that I get the turn in in time. Of course, if I just find a connection to the net somewhere, I will get a turn in earlier, but I don't think that is very likely.

Thanks again you all for the understanding on this :)

[chrispedersen]

Have fun Jarr!

[chrispedersen]

Ok, I have sent in the next turn for Magellan. After the hosting on Wednesday evening, I would like to ask for the next hosting be delayed until Saturday 18 GMT please (ie a 24 hour delay unless you all suddenly get hyperactive), so that I get the turn in in time. Of course, if I just find a connection to the net somewhere, I will get a turn in earlier, but I don't think that is very likely.

Thanks again you all for the understanding on this :)

Actually, I find today that I am going out of the country from Friday noon till monday noon (more or less). Can we extend it till 9pm EST Monday night?

[Fakeymcfake]

Well you're the Admin.

[Fakeymcfake]

Chris, your box is full and you need to send me the admin password, or tell me to go bug llama to send it to me.

[Fakeymcfake]

Okay, it seems that we're going to be on a bit of a prolonged break. I'll delay hosting until tuesday morning just so chris gets some time.

If there are any more requests for delays PM me (easier for me to keep track) and I'll post here about the delays.

[Fakeymcfake]

C'tis is in the market for fire gems, can do a straight trade in earth, air, nature, or pay in gold/items (hammers/boosters/whatev). PM with offers.

Also, I'm feeling like I'm just having a conversation with myself in this thread. Someone better post soon for the sake of my own sanity.

[Quitti]

/me is staying quiet

[Jarkko]

Just chiming in (to save Fakey's sanity) that I am here now, and currently making the turn for Pangaea :)

[Jarkko]

Seems the next hostings are not that good for me. I've sent in the turn that is due to be hosted tomorrow afternoon. I will be without an internet connection after noon (unless I succeed to find an Internet cafe that allows downloading and sending attachments). Thus, for the safety sake, I would like to ask the hosting due around Monday evening to be pushed to about 19:00 Tuesday (ie not this turn yet which I've already sent, but the turn after that). Would be much appreciated :)

[Fakeymcfake]

Will do. But again, if people need delays or whatever as far as admin stuff goes, PM me. Far easier to get my attention that way plus easier for me to keep track of what I have to do.

[Bluff]

How do I go about getting a temp / permanent sub for Agartha?

I'm just too busy and the turns are taking way too long :S

Sorry guys.. i'll try to keep doing my turns but i just don't have time to put the effort required in to them.

[Fakeymcfake]

Make a new thread saying the game name, nation, approx game turn and general situation and ask for a sub in the title. Also, make sure to link the main game thread (this one) in your post. Then ask them to contact you for further details (ie. specifics about your situation, pretender design, long term strat, current diplomatic agreements, etc.) and then get them to send me their email so that I can switch it for yours once they've decided to sub for you.

I'd also appreciate it if you kept up your turns until we found a sub so as to keep the game moving.

Edit: Actually I'll put up a thread since I'm on right now and people will have to contact me anyhow.

[Jarkko]

Fakey, will do so in the future, altough I hope there will be no need for the next couple years :) Thanks Fakey for delaying the hosting this time :)

Oh incidently, I am home now (we skipped visiting some relatives in Sweden), will start checking my Dominions games ASAP, so excpect the Pangaean orders in soon :)

[Jarkko]

I believe the tide in the Pangaea - Tien Chi has now changed for good. The fat lady has not yet sung so the show is not over, but I am going to blatantly assume the plot is now obvious: Pangaea will eventually steam-roll through the last TC provinces. Tien Chi still has two very great armies which would give me gray hair if I wasn't bald already, but the other one is not very mobile while the other one does not seem to have the mage support (and I can tell you this: Those TC mages are *tough* when they support the triple-blessed TC sacred troops!).

Anyway, I know it is customary (and very smart) to start to rip apart the losing side by the looming hyeanas following the war on the side-lines, but I would like to ask people to not jump on TC. Chris has been a superb opponent, and I would like to give him a honourable fight until the grim end. Of course there is also the slightly selfish fact that Pangaea has yet won nothing but some swamp-provinces from the war, and it would suck royally if others snipped all the goodies off of TC after all the heavy fighting we've gone through :p

Anyway Chris, it will be interesting to see what you will pull out of your sleeve still! You've certainly suprised me quite a few times already, and I don't believe you've yet boarded your last ace (what ever it will be) :) I've learned quite a lot of this game from this war, and I am grateful for all the lessons you've given me so far :)

[chrispedersen]

Oh yes, the fat lady is definitely warming up... Being 2:1'd the whole game has been .. fun, but not profitable.

Yes, I have a few surprises up my sleave.. I do believe you are going to discover one of them this turn.

As for why I have no mage support on the armies - First marvernia and then formoria were nuking my capital every turn, driving unrest over 200.... ever since turn 6 or so. So I literally haven't been able to build em =).

But I shall be avenged.. Perhaps I've been giving gems to ulm every turn...imagine what he could do with almost 1000 gems here to now.. and a forge bonus.

To the free people of the world - you are making a sore mistake to leave pangaeas globals up. Pangaea has been stockpiling death - with GoH up, and carrion woods he has two viable routes to overwhelming with either BoT or Tartarians.

Dispelling Moather oak is critical.. how long will you wait?

[Fakeymcfake]

It appears that the monkey men of Kailasa don't quite understand what an NAP3 entails. It means that you have to GIVE NOTICE before attacking that person, at least 3 turns worth. But alas, you cannot expect the finer points of diplomacy to keep when dealing with primatives.

To that end, those with agreements with Kailasa, I'd urge you to reconsider whatever standing arangements you might have with them, as they have just shown that they do not hold honoring agreements in high regard.

Also, I have to delay the game a bit, weekend is quite busy for me. should have everything in order by monday.

[Jarkko]

Pangaea has been stockpiling death - with GoH up, and carrion woods he has two viable routes to overwhelming with either BoT or Tartarians.
I wish I had been stockpiling death :) As Chris well knows, my 5 death-gems per turn have been going to first summoning a revenant who has then been chain-summoning Mound Kings so that I have *somebody* able to move the mindless manikin around. Sadly EA Pans have no inherent Death gem income and no deathmages to lead the manikin, so this has been a very interesting experiment (one that I don't think I'll try again; the micromanagement is bad enough with just maenads, and now I have double the trouble with manikin too, and not to mention my population is dieing off way too fast for my tastes in this game with slow research... wonder if somebody would be interested in dispelling CW for me?).

Tartarians sound like a good idea. If I change all my research to Conjuration now, then I would hit Tartarians 51 turns from now. I'll keep that in mind though if I happen to stumble on some death-sites producing death gems :D Of course I actually would need somebody to do the summoning, but if I ever got around to that, things certainly would be possible to arrange.

Burden of Time is such a nice spell in SP, but in the MP group I usually play in BoT would be the same as painting a bulls-eye on my forehead, and I don't think it would be any different here. Also, Thaumaturgy has so little to offer to Pangaea, but if I ever succeed to climb out of the cellar in the research department, I sure would eventually hit Thau 5 too :)

Anyway, eagerly awaiting for the next trick you Chris will have! :)

[chrispedersen]

LOL.. you delude yourself my tartarian friend if you think with 5globals up you aren't already a target. As for 5-Death per turn.....

Snicker...

When I stop laughing, I'll publish a list of your death income sites = ).

As for dispelling things for you.. Certainly. Send the Requisite gems. I'll be *happy* to dispel them for you.

[Hadrian_II]

It appears that the monkey men of Kailasa don't quite understand what an NAP3 entails. It means that you have to GIVE NOTICE before attacking that person, at least 3 turns worth. But alas, you cannot expect the finer points of diplomacy to keep when dealing with primatives.

To that end, those with agreements with Kailasa, I'd urge you to reconsider whatever standing arangements you might have with them, as they have just shown that they do not hold honoring agreements in high regard.

Also, I have to delay the game a bit, weekend is quite busy for me. should have everything in order by monday.

the monkey nation of kailasa would like to correct that information from c'tis, as it is true that we have offered them a nap3 they never agreed to it so there was never a nap. But who expects truth from lizards.

[statttis]

I won't have access to dominions for the next few days and would like to request a delay until monday evening.

[Fakeymcfake]

I will but again, any requests for delays PM me. I rarely check the actual threads unless I plan on getting into diplomacy or looking to pick a fight, which if you think about it is the same thing.

[chrispedersen]

Hey guys,

I think there is a huge bug, maybe jarko you can confirm? My game turn shows my god, and commanders retreating from a battle in Black alps 282.

They have a valid retreat square (black alps) 273. Yet none of them retreated and they all *died*.

Jarrko, can you confirm the battle result? Do you see them retreating?
Anyone else?

Is it possible the game fubar'd because of the same province name? Can we pause for a bit on this?

[Jarkko]

Jarrko, can you confirm the battle result? Do you see them retreating?
Anyone else?

Is it possible the game fubar'd because of the same province name? Can we pause for a bit on this?
Haven't seen the turn yet (a thunderstorm phukked up my Internet connection at home on Sunday, and it wasn't working yet this morning). I have Dominions 3 on a memory stick though, I'll try to find a computer that lets me run the game here at work.

[Jarkko]

The battle report says for me 6 of the 7 TC commanders died, 85 of the 150 regular troops died and 44 of the 50 magic beings died.

In the combat replay I see TC army beaten to pulp (while once again the Pangaea army takes about 2-3 times the losses of the TC army). The TC pretender is swarmed by berserking minotaurs and centaurs, while rest of the TC army is slowly grinded. Finally the TC pretender dies (after it runs to kill a Pangaean Imp, but the centaurs catch up and charge her down), and the rest of the TC rout, except the berserking TC units (which take a while to hack down). In this picture (http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6364/23659540.jpg) is the TC pretender just a second before she is the last final time by a centaur.

Ie to me everything seems to be in order.

I can send you Chris the combat replay I have.

[Jarkko]

Btw, a doom horror appeared (apparently due to Astral Corruption) and ate one of my pans who summoned himself a cat. Very un-cool.

Is somebody killing off Agartha or attempting to dispel the AC? If so, please contact Pangaea and I'll send forth what ever I can to help deal with the situation.

[Dragar]

Abysia is likewise happy to assist in removing the vile Corruption

[Fakeymcfake]

Alright in the case of the conflicting battle reports I'm going to let the current results stand. Sorry Chris but a rollback would be the only solution and then it wouldn't be fair to Jarkko or anyone else who might have had a battle that last turn.

[Hadrian_II]

kailasa is also willing to spend gems to dispel astral corruption, we would also be able to cast the spell if wanted.

[chrispedersen]

Alright in the case of the conflicting battle reports I'm going to let the current results stand. Sorry Chris but a rollback would be the only solution and then it wouldn't be fair to Jarkko or anyone else who might have had a battle that last turn.

No I don't have any problem with that. Its why I asked. Different combat results are a fact of life. Its why I asked.

Sucks at *how* different they are.

Agartha casting AC. There's somethign you don't see everyday.

[Fakeymcfake]

Yeah, last thing I expected from Agartha. Perhaps he gave up on the replacement and just hopes that people kill him off?

[statttis]

Agartha has some serious blood magic this game. I've been fighting ice devil SCs since around turn 30.

[Aethyr]

Helheim will provide assistance as well. This cannot be allowed to stand.

[Hadrian_II]

plese send your gems to kailasa, and we will try to dispel it.

[Hadrian_II]

we will wait one more turn for gems before we cast dispel, as some players who pledged help did not send theirs yet.

[Bluff]

Sorry for buggering around with AC :)

It was a parting gift and was going to go AI. I cast it with 350 ish blood slaves from memory.. but i could try to kill off my god who cast it by teleporting him into a large army if that would be easier for everyone?

I won't go AI till you guys let me know what you'd like me to do.

Cheers,

Bluff

[Dragar]

That's really up to you rather than player consensus - many of us would obviously love to see it gone but I'm sure others (well, mictlan) are happy to keep it.

Damn 350 is a fair whack of blood slaves!

[hEad]

Tir is prepared to chip in some gems for this, but yeah, 350?? - no mucking about it seems.

[Hadrian_II]

So for dispelling we would need 250 pearls, but a dead caster would be much better. So you might want to jump your pretender to province 23 for dieing please :) .

[Fakeymcfake]

I'd rather you didn't actually. Your untimely casting did me wrong and I'd be rather annoyed if it ended before it could do my enemies wrong as well. But whatever, fortune has been against me for the last dozen turns anyhow.

[hEad]

I'd rather you didn't actually. Your untimely casting did me wrong and I'd be rather annoyed if it ended before it could do my enemies wrong as well. But whatever, fortune has been against me for the last dozen turns anyhow.

Don't assume you were the only one to be backdoored by AC, gave me a nice sting aswell. The point is, I'd rather not have another one.

Proceed to your death at 23 with all haste!

[Zapmeister]

Proceed to your death at 23 with all haste!

I suspect that Bluff is no longer reading the forum.
I'll notify him by email that people want his attention ;)

[Hadrian_II]

i have now enough gems to cast dispel, so from the next turn on astral corruption should be gone.

[Aethyr]

Helheim thanks the noble lord of Kailasa for his sacrifice, and the nations that contributed to the removal of this vile taint.

[Jarkko]

Hey, great battle Chris! You kicked my butt real good there in #236 :D I knew it was stupid to attack your strong point with just one army, but you know how the victory disease can get worse and worse ("Oh, I've destroyed bigger armies than *that* before, piece of cake") for the weak-minded :o

At least I don't have to worry about my Carrion Woods killing off all my population anymore :) Yeah, desperately looking for the positive sides of the major defeat :p

[Hadrian_II]

ok, astral corruption is finally gone, rejoice.

[chrispedersen]

Hey, great battle Chris! You kicked my butt real good there in #236 :D I knew it was stupid to attack your strong point with just one army, but you know how the victory disease can get worse and worse ("Oh, I've destroyed bigger armies than *that* before, piece of cake") for the weak-minded :o

At least I don't have to worry about my Carrion Woods killing off all my population anymore :) Yeah, desperately looking for the positive sides of the major defeat :p

Yah, you got over confident... The last big fight we had.. in my combat results.. I won. In your combat results (and the only one that mattered) I got creamed.

You still have me of course... but.....

[chrispedersen]

Soo My congratulations to Jarrko.

I'll be going AI... its only a matter of time at this point. I've done what I can to put a dent in Pan - between casting Mother Oak with 535 nature gems, to killing his god.

Still, he will capture my gem territories - so the respite is temporary. There are something like 2000 troops attacking now.
He has the most territories, and his gem income wiill be increasing. Pan is very very strong!

Anyone that wishes may freely take territories.

[Jarkko]

Anyone that wishes may freely take territories.
Unless miracles happen, Pangaea will take last TC lands in two turns. I would like to point out that I'd be mightily pissed off (Pangaea has lost her pretender and thousands of troops to get to this position) if somebody now waltzes in and tries to grab spoils of war. In fact, I regard any attack on remaining TC soil as an attack on Pangaean soil, and thus the equivalent of declaring war on Pangaea. Thus, if I may be so blunt, I would like to suggest anybody considering to take advantage of TC's current situation to consider the situation a bit more :)

[Fakeymcfake]

Have to delay the game a couple of days as I'm moving. Probably won't need that long but who knows with moving.

[chrispedersen]

Anyone that wishes may freely take territories.
Unless miracles happen, Pangaea will take last TC lands in two turns. I would like to point out that I'd be mightily pissed off (Pangaea has lost her pretender and thousands of troops to get to this position) if somebody now waltzes in and tries to grab spoils of war. In fact, I regard any attack on remaining TC soil as an attack on Pangaean soil, and thus the equivalent of declaring war on Pangaea. Thus, if I may be so blunt, I would like to suggest anybody considering to take advantage of TC's current situation to consider the situation a bit more :)

Oh.. I think it will be longer than 2 turns.. I've got one more surprise for you =)

[Fakeymcfake]

Packing it in for this game. With moving and everything I don't have the time to keep up games, especially one in which I'm doomed. I'm setting myself to AI and I would request that someone take over as admin as soon as possible. PM me or post here and I'll send you the admin password.

[Hadrian_II]

i will be away from thursday to sunday, would it be possible to set the turn time to 72 hours after tuesdays turns?

I could also take over as admin (then i could do it myself :))

[Fakeymcfake]

Done, all hail your new overlord (and admin) Hadrian II. Good luck with the rest of the game.

[Jarkko]

Thanks Fakey for your time as GM :) Hadrian will do a great job as GM, so you Fakey have handed your duties to a reliable guy :)

[Hadrian_II]

i will try to abuse my admin powers in a way no one will notice :D

[Hadrian_II]

ok, i set the hosting interval to 72h and turned quickhost off.

please state if you want to return to 48h after i return (Turn 63)

[chrispedersen]

Damn. I staled. Critical turn - I took the time to do it... and Stale....Damn that sucks.

[Quitti]

I'll be going for a bit travelling and such tomorrow (saturday) and I'll be back around thursday/friday, so I'd like an extension until that, or at least minimal amount of turns to host between that time.

[chrispedersen]

Well played Jarrko...

That stale turn cost me flying my commanders to my donut...
and building province defense....

Be well all and have a great game = ).

[Jarkko]

Well played Jarrko...
Thanks Chris, well fought from you too! I learned a lot from this game (amazing how that is possible after all these years still), you Chris used some creative strategies I am going to ape in the future :)

[Hadrian_II]

game postponed for mictlan.

[chrispedersen]

he said *ape*

[Jarkko]

he said *ape*

I go bananas if somebody says "monkey".

[Hadrian_II]

i like rotten luck, this turn i lost 4 kinnara raiders and most of them due to bad luck:

- Mistform does not protect against poison (somehow i forgot that)
- I put the combat script on the wrong one, so he was uncripted, and was able to hit himself with his own shockwave twice (i suppose he deserved what he got)
- One met with a Pangaean Invasion Force (evil sneaky neighbours trying to rob our lands)
- One just had bad luck (agartha should not be a nation of vampires anyway)

[Jarkko]

- One met with a Pangaean Invasion Force (evil sneaky neighbours trying to rob our lands)

That C'tis province is/was the short-cut to the final TC pocket. Little did I know there were in all armies from four nations moving that single province on the same turn :eek: But nothing could stand in the way of the berserking naked women :p

[Aethyr]

So tell me Lanka, now that you have finished making your lands completely unusable do you finally intend to come out and fight? :p

[Hadrian_II]

Lanka is AI now, and the AI does not like to sit around behind walls.

[Aethyr]

Indeed.

To the nations of the land: Though Lanka's lands have little value now, nevertheless we claim them by virtue of shed blood. Plesae do not interfere in our struggle. However, guard your borders for who knows where this undead plauge will travel?

[Dragar]

requesting a 12 hour delay, it's me birthday party and I have no time to do turns!

[Hadrian_II]

postponed

happy birthday

[Calahan]

:birthday: Drager

[Aethyr]

May your Birhtday be Blessed!

[Jarkko]

Wonder how long Oceania is allowed to keep its four globals up? When I tried to get one up, it was dispelled immdiatly :D

[Aethyr]

Dunno, but between Lanka's scourched earth, invasive dominions, and that d*** perpetual storm my economy is likely wrecked beyond redemption. :hurt:

[Hadrian_II]

We are living in interesting times.

Pan just struck Mictlan, lets see if they can defend themselves.

Also Oceania has put up the Arcane Nexus, gem donations for dispel are much welcome.

[Aethyr]

Interesting times indeed...TnO going AI w/o warning...

[Dragar]

He has done that in two games I was in, prior to that had a lot oging on in RL so expect he reachedbreaking point

wish his armies weren't on my borders as he went AI though..

[Jarkko]

((My Internet conenction died on Friday evening. I had to go to work to check for my turns, but didn't have time (or will) to post anything there in my free time :) Now the connection is working again :) ))



FNN (Forest News Network)

*BREAK THE NEWS*

A glorious victory for Pangaea against the cruel and evil demon worshippers of Mictlan!

FNN reporters were present to witness several small Pangaean armies under the command of the prophet Hippothoos start the pro-active counter-attack against the evil Mictlans. Nowhere, where FNN reports were present, were Mictlan troops able to halt the forces of Pangaea (although there are un-confirmed rumours of several failed assaults in various places where Mictlan local defenses suprised the Pangaean strike-forces). After only a few days nearly a third of Mictlan lands were over-run.

"This is a great day for Pangea!" exclaimed prophet Hippothoos after the battle. "We have shown what Pangaea is made of, the evil powers threathening to attack fair Pangaea will not remain un-punished!"

Some Pangaen observers were not as positive of the result. FNN succeeded to recieve a comment from an un-named harpy scout working for the Pangaen army: "Holy poo, there are several hundred vampires in one Mictlan army, and I saw a demon army with nearly two thousand demons sitting in reserve. The crap will hit the wind-mill, and it will hit it big time!"

Elsewhere the sudden change in Tir'na'Nog leadership has caused grand-scale movement on the Pan-Tir border. Also, Oceania has to be viewed as the number one threat to all free nations. Shouldn't Pangaea have concentrated on Oceania, and let Mictlan be (no matter how heavy the threats from Mictlan were, and no matter how fast Mictlan is summoning horrible demons from hell)?

Will Pangaea survive the onslaught of the Mictlan demon and vampire armies? Is Oceania sitting and laughing itself silly at the strategical choices of Pangaea? Who will stop the mad-gone Tir? Where is the Pangaean Pretender?

Stay tuned to FNN and you will be the first to know the answers!

[Aethyr]

Jarko, I am enjoying and really appreciate these little "news flashes" of yours. :)

[Quitti]

Hm, well, Abysia seems to have attacked Mictlan without informing us about breaking the nap3 we had. At least I haven't recieved any such word. I knew that Pan was going to come sooner or later but did not expect abysia to join in without giving me a heads up first.

Oh well, more slaves for my altar then, I guess.

[Hadrian_II]

OK, it looks like Oceania started to wish for Armageddon. The times of armies are over.

[Aethyr]

I have not encountered this before...please help me understand the short / long term implications...

[Jarkko]

I have not encountered this before...please help me understand the short / long term implications...
It means troops with low HP will die in masses, especially those with low prot. Look at Pan unit graph to get a view at what Armageddon does to Maenads (zero prot, low HP -> Pans did lose about 19 troopers in combat this turn, and some 1900 to armageddon). Not only that, but income will plummet too, so no money to pay for big armies (not an issue for Pan whose maenads are free of charge, but will (in this game) for sure hurt Mictlan, Ulm etc).

[Ossa]

Oceania is desperate - Golems forged by the masters of steel venture in their realm.

Unfortunatly the golems do not know how to open fortress doors, so the subjugation may take a while.

[Quitti]

Mictlan only says "ouch" at the armageddons. Too bad only things we lose are the units we need less, but we're still puzzled at the sudden attack of Abysia and their breaking of the nap without informing us.

Also, I'll have to apologize for the second stale in row - I sent the turn file for the first stale turn, but apparently it got to llamaserver 3-4 minutes too late. Too bad. And this second one was due me having a horrible flu. I've frequently slept over 10h a night, and the turn reminder is set to 9h, so I keep missing it if it informs me in the night. I should probably just do the turns way ahead of that ;)

[Dragar]

Abysia laughs at the weak protests of the feeble mictlan warlord



Diplomacy: "All's fair in love and war." - some creepy rapist

[Jarkko]

I am actually quite pleased with Armageddon :) A few turns ago I had serious (and I mean *SERIOUS*) supply problems with all the naked women streaming in and demanding food.

Much less of a hassle now :)

[Aethyr]

Helheim cannot say the same...those troops that survie have begun to desert. :(

[Hadrian_II]

it is the meaning of armageddon to annouce the end of armies. but thou shall be relieved, as the leaders will stay true to your nation and wont desert, even if they cannot be motivated further by money and power.

[Aethyr]

Well, that is something at least. It will be intesting to see how this evolves.

[Jarkko]

Any chance to have a five hour delay on the deadline? I can get some sort of orders in in the morning, but I'd prefer to use a bit more thinking :) Five hour delay would give me two hours to complete my orders after work.

[Jarkko]

Scratch that request please, I got the orders done and sent after all :)

[Dragar]

I'm having problems uploading my file for some reason... i'll try again before work but could i please get a 12 hour extension in case?

[Hadrian_II]

postponed

[Dragar]

thanks, have it working now

[Dragar]

Requesting a 48 hour delay

[Hadrian_II]

nice to see, that you want to prolong your suffering :)

postponed

[Dragar]

given how heavily i'm being pounded, how far kailasa is in front and no-one seems fussed about a major gb on him, is anyone seriously opposed to ending it? If not, any objections if I go AI?

[Hadrian_II]

actually i am myself surprised how everyone is ignoring me, and i would have no problem with becoming the winner of the game :)

Also i have a rather nice stack of tartarians, rudras still waiting for action if someone would like to fight me.

[Jarkko]

Given that Oceania and Mictlan both have been successfull at thwarting Pangaea the past couple turns, my plans have gone down the drain. I am still not ready to declare Kailasa as the winner though, I think I am quite capable of killing their SC's if they happen to venture into Pangaean homelands :)

[Quitti]

Heh, everyone's ignoring the nexus and going around shooting each other ;)

I've been watching and fighting for the past, well, many turns for the spot to even see the end of the game (darn armageddons really ruined my game in addition). I don't object to ending the game, but if someone wants to go on, I can still hang on around.

[Aethyr]

I will continue as well.

[Dragar]

I've had to go AI guys, crazy busy and this game is pointless - I don't mind fighting a losing battle but there has beeen no interest in collaboration against the clear leader for a long time, clearly there isn't the energy left in this one

it's been a pleasure, well played Kailasa!

[Hadrian_II]

we are happy that the honourable people of abysia have decided to join our empire.

[Aethyr]

GG Dragar, sorry to see you go.

Well guys? Dragar's parting comments are hard to dispute, and Kailasa has indeed orchastrated a well played game. I am willing to continue, but I see no stopping him a this point. I move that we delcare him the winner.

[Quitti]

My opinion still stands - I'm willing to concede the game to Kailasa, but if anyone fancies a ride, I can still play along and perhaps send a few horrors around their provinces to prove them otherwise ;)

[Jarkko]

Well, I think I still could put up a fight for a very very long time, but as I have no real means to get Arcane Nexus down, I bet the result is clear. So, I can continue the game if others want to, but if it is the consensus Kailasa is the winner, then I do not wish to drag the game to become a contest on stamina and staying power :)

[Hadrian_II]

ok, it looks like there is finally some action

[Hadrian_II]

i postponed the game for 24 hours, as i need more time to complete my turn

[Jarkko]

I am ready to throw in the towel and declare Kailasa as the winner. The fight can be dragged on for quite a while, but IMO there is no doubt of the winner anymore.

[Quitti]

Light of reason has shined upon Pangaea! What do others think about this?

[Ossa]

Mrf... I dont wanna continue alone - though if everyone else would put their chances as high as I do we'd waste Kalaisa.

But ok... end this game and begin an new one;)

[Hadrian_II]

Kailasa is happy that enlightenment has come to the people of Magellan.

Now only Helheim is left to surrender.

Also we have 15 SCs still sitting around and waiting for action.

[Aethyr]

Kailasa has indeed orchastrated a well played game. I am willing to continue, but I see no stopping him a this point. I move that we delcare him the winner.

My opinion has not changed.

[Ossa]

Well, it looks like things are decided then -

Kalaisa wins the game of Magellan. I wont submit any more turns - who was admin?

[Hadrian_II]

i am admin, and i will declare the game finished after the turn has hosted (just to see what happens)

[Jarkko]

I'll send in a null turn.

Grats Hadrian for the well earned victory! :)

[Hadrian_II]

OK, the game is finished thanks to everyone for playing.

Here is a short AAR of Kailasa, if someone is interested.

The humble beginning:

My expansion was nothing special, just one province per turn with bouncing into other players in every direction very early i was a rather small empire in the start. We met with Ermor (Nice adversary for kailasa, i wanted to invade him after indy expansion, but i did not get to do it), Caelum (way too much archers and artillery, after he did not answer my NAP proposal, i was very paranoid that Caelum would engage) and Nifelheim (looks strong early, but kailasa has no problem against them as Heat 3 dominion makes it impossible for nifel to invade). And how could it be other than Nifel on first contact made huge demands i could not agree upon, so there was war. I invaded and after discovering that he was only using skinshifters i knew that this fight would be short. Nifel was invaded and killed in under 10 turns, but the NAP less state between Kailasa and Ctis forced me to cede some land to helheim as he claimed it.

After that i was preparing for an invasion by Caelum and thought that i would die as soon as he engaged. I was really relieved when Caelum engaged Mictlan and used all his forces there, what gave me the possibility to invade him and conquer his capital very swiftly. (The actions of Caelum looked like he thought he had agreed my nap proposal but forgot to send me the confirmation [not that in a situation like that i would not had backstabbed him anyway as he put all his armies far away and his capital was only 2 provinces from my border])

Ctis who since then had scavenged parts of ermor (who was annhillated by agartha) wanted also to scavenge some parts of caelum and especially claimed the capitol what i could not agree upon. (Also there is to know that C'tis is free lunch for kailasa) After one battle between the armies of Kailasa and C'tis where quickened yavanas anhillated C'tis surrendered and was conquered over the next few turns.

Around that time Mictlan begun to look really scary and also had amassed a huge army of Sacreds on the kailasan border we were very afraid of invasion and eventual defeat at the hand of the demon empire. But we were reliefed that Pangaea thought the same of them and created an anti Mictlan war pact between Pangaea, Helheim, Abysia and Kailasa. This alliance ensured the survival of Kailasa, but we knew if the attack would start Kailasa would take heavy losses from the action and after that would be in a weakened position and would have huge problems with winning the game.

But there was a major luck event for Kailasa our neighbour Agartha had to set himself to AI. (Agartha was deadlocked in an longtime war with Oceania before that, so it has always been a safe border). As the Agarthan AI promptly engaged me i had now a reason to withdraw from the war preperations with Mictlan and fight the Agarthan AI. Soon after wards Pangaea and Abysia engaged Mictlan and where slowly grinding it to death. I think this was the first point in the game, when i knew that i might be the winner in the end, as everything was running perfectly for me.

At this point Oceania cast the Arcane Nexus and some Armageddons, and both things turned out perfectly for me. The armageddons made kailasa the only nation with actual income, and the missing reaction to the casting of the nexus ensured me, that if i would get the nexus there would also be no reaction to it, so i waited for a few turns and did cast my 999 pearl nexus. (who lasted forever)

After i finished conquering Agartha i decided to lay low for some time and accumulate power (as i assumed that as soon i made my move i would get attacked by everyone, i could not know then that i would have the liberty to finish everyone off one by one.) but after Tir set himself to AI i could not help myself to send some thugs there to scavenge some provinces. (after nobody protested me stealing their spoils i knew that i would win the game).

Now was the time for me to move as Pan and Aby had almost destroyed Mictlan, so i entered the war with the invasion of Abysia and some artillery against Pan. At that time i was creating 3 SCs a turn and i always sent one of them against aby and 2 of them into storage to defend the all out attack against me. It looked like aby was trying to organize that attack but nobody wanted to help him so aby set himself to AI.

In the end Pan and Ulm decided to engage me, but they did not have enough material to fight me (or were storing it in their capitals until the end of the game) so i slowly was able to grind them into dust.

So it comes i Hadrian-II have now Ascended to godhood:D

Also some random notices:

@Ulm: Sitting idle for 50 turns after initial expansion is never the way to victory.

@Helheim: Why did you never attack me, when you saw that i was winning the game?

@Everyone: Who was storing the other Queens of Air and did not use them, also i was missing to see the queens of water and all blood uniques.

p.s. i will write a kailasa guide with the strategies i have used (as i think someone might find that interesting;))

p.p.s. i attached my last turn to see if you are interested.

[Quitti]

I had most heliophagi and arch demons at some point, but wasn't able to use them effectively enough due my sad research. Also, the perpetual storm and armageddons pretty much finished me off - no blood income to speak of after that, and it managed to kill EVERY SINGLE ONE of my water mages, and only left me with two astral priests and two high priests left. The perpetual storm negated most of my troops (You can see their remnants in Hadrians turn in the battle of Silvania). At some point I had 30-40 onaquais making freespawn for me, but the 3/3 move bats are useless in the storm...

[Jarkko]

This is the fully objective ( ;) ) AAR from the Pangaean point of view.

Sauromatia nearly nuked Pangaea out early in the game, but Abysia came to my resuce and I got Carrion Woods up early enough to get enough manikin to counter their SC pretender, and enough centaurs to rip their archers apart in berserk rage. With Sauromatian troops also tied against Abysia the end was rather sudden and abrupt, and Sauromatia went under fast after the Gorgon died. I felt the alliance between Pangaea and Abysia was strong and good one, because Pangea and Abysia complement each other so well, and I was happy how Abysia had saved Pangaea :)

I don't quite know what happened with Marverni. They brought lots of troops on my border during the final turns of the war vs Sauromatia, I panicked and asked for help everywhere, and asked Marverni for a NAP. Total silence was the replies. I got sneakers in, and launched a frontal attack with the troops returning from Sauromatia, at the same time as TC attacked Marverni from the south. Sadly TC was apparently tied on other fronts too, and the Pangaea-Marverni war resulted being basically a one on one, with TC grabbing with airdrops some of the more juicy provinces (especially woods, which are so important to Carrion Woods) during the last days of the war.

Before Marverni went finally under, Pangaea and TC got into war. I felt it was unfair TC now all of the sudden flew in to claim lands I had fought and bled for, TC felt I was unjust as they had attacked Marverni when I was desperately looking for anybody to help against Marverni. TC had absolutely fabulous sacred troops (their own plus the griffon-riders from *two* locations). In the end the massive mass of Pangaeans (at this point mostly manikin and maenads) was simply too much for the elite TC troops, and when broke through with two humongous armies into TC heartlands (with three big armies clashing and jousting with the two TC armies), it was all down-hill for TC, especially as I was able to replace my losses fast enough to actually grow my armies each turn. With cities falling instantly to the hundreds of manikin and maenads sieging, TC ran out of room to manouver, and that was the end of that war.

Mictlan did look very strong, it did seem to me they might be soon in a game winning position. Pangaea, Abysia, Kailasa, Tir and Helheim agreed on a joint attack on Mictlan. I was blood-sacrificing like mad at Mictlan borders to kill their dominion (Mictlan seemed to have massive vampire armies, and I sure didn't want them to be able to take advantage of their immortality). In the end Kailasa and Helheim pulled out, and Tir went AI, and Abysia was getting attacked by AI Tir. Things went pearshaped pretty fast, but I had *lots* of sneakers inside Mictlan borders and *lots* of troops on the borders of Mictlan. In my opinion, with perpetual storm up the point to attack Mictlan was now or never.

The attack on Mictlan began, and it went pretty well. Then the Armageddons started, and things went to poo. My unarmoured troops (who in combat were mass-protected and thus quite tough) died in droves to Armageddon. I couldn't break the defenses of the harder defended Mictlan cities with my diminishing armies, and I was forced to feed in hundreds of troops each turn to replace the horrific losses from Armageddon, and still my frontal armies got so small it did start to look really bad. I continued to blood-sacrifice as fast as I could, and started the saccing next to Oceanian provinces too.

In the end it became clear to me I will lose the game if Oceania is allowed to stay and keep up their globals (even though the Perpetual Storm was good for me). Pangaea joined Ulm to take Oceania down, even though I was able to send only a small part of my armies (but led by my pretender). The capital of Oceania proved too hard to be cracked though, I broke the gates, but with dozens of mages inside ripped my assaulters to pieces (tried to attack IIRC three times, then gave up).

It began to be clear Kailasa is marching towards victory. I summoned tartarians and other death summons to help, but my efforts were too puny. As a last effort I redoubled my blood-saccing and built temples everywhere and summoned telestic animations too. If I was unable to kill Mictlan, Oceania and halt Kailasa with conventional means, then I would try to dominion kill everything.

Then Kailasa attacked Abysia, and I was totally impotent to help my ally. My troops were tied against Mictlan, while I couldn't get my troops out of the ocean as Oceania had freezed all the seas. I sent in the sneakers and began to withdraw from Mictlan lands. I first thought I'd hold some token troops against Mictlan and Oceania, but it proved to be the wrong decission. I pulled out all my troops (informing Mictlan and Oceania of that) and re-aligned against Kailasa. I did ask for Ulm, Mictlan and Helheim to attack against Kailasa, but all I got was excuses; I can understand Mictlan was more than reluctant to join with Pangaea after I had backstabbed earlier, but I still don't quite get what Helheim was doing when the time was to act or die.

I was ready to throw in the towel then, but decided to go out with a bang. I attacked with everything I had, and things went wrong after the initial suprise; to make matters even worse, AI Abysia decided to attack Pangaea (even though I had not attacked their lands so far). Ulm joined the war against Kailasa a couple turns later, but it was too little too late.

Once again, grats for Hadrian for a very well played campaign and a very well deserved victory! :) For my own part, I made many mistakes during the game (the final mistake was to attack Mictlan, I should have pulled back when Tir went AI and watch how things develope in the east first), but I was happy I actually was able to prove just how deadly the massed manikin-maenads can be if things go right (even though Carrion Woods mean my economy was shot to hell way before Armageddon :) ) ; after the war with Tien Chi I actually did believe for a while I might be one of the contenders for winning the game, but that just shows how it is bad for the health to catch the victory disease ;)

[Quitti]

... I can understand Mictlan was more than reluctant to join with Pangaea after I had backstabbed earlier, ...

It was not about not throwing in with you, it was about that I had already witnessed what Kailasa actually was capable of doing ;). Hadrian actually had exactly the same bless as me, f9s9n4 I think.

If there hadn't been the armageddons+perpetual storm, I'm quite confident that I could've beat you back. Not certain about you+abysia though. And I didn't have gazillions of vampires, just around 100-150, main mass of my army was beast bats backed up by onaquais and different kind of priests (couple of thousand of beast bats with f9s9n4 bless+mass prot+regen+relief+quickening+antimagic would've been my aim)

[Hadrian_II]

yes, i had f9s9n4 which is a nice bless for my troops.

Also i had some serious luck, as no one decided to fight me, as always someone else looked scarier :)

[Aethyr]

Congrats H. II,

The armageddons, my weak dominion, and TNO unexpectantly going AI at the most inopportune time really crippled me. It took me a LONG time to recover. By the time I had, there was just no way to match the forces that you could bring to bear.

GG.