*Noobieworld* Fast game for noobs! (ended)

[Von_Altair]

** THE GAME ENDED: Mictlan - P3D wins the game at turn 70 **

THE GAME Noobieworld (http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Noobieworld)

Setups:
EA Game
Server: Llamaserver
Vanilla game + BI v2.1 mod
- Mod: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=39225
6 players + 6 AI
Orania map
Turns: 15h + quickhost (turn will roll as soon as everyone sent them)
- this is a fast turn game, so I expect everyone can complete first 1-15 turns in no time!
- we will vote about this when time goes forward.

The game is for noobs only!

Nations:
Abysia - Von_Altair
Ulm - Mordus
Sauromatia - Frozen Lama
R'lyeh - Simonlost
Marveni - Caerun
Mictlan - P3D
Vanheim - AI
Atlantis - AI
Hinnom - AI
C'tis - AI
T'ien Ch'i - AI
Tir na n'Og - AI

** Send your pretender to llamaserver **

Instructions for beginners:
by llamabeast:
- Make sure you have the same mods enabled as the game you're playing in (Preferences->Mod Preferences) although only mods affecting pretender design, such as Conceptual Balance, actually matter
- Go to Game Tools -> Create a pretender god in Dominions. Don't set a password, since for PBEM games they're not helpful and occasionally annoying (e.g. if you need a sub)
- Go to the savedgames/newlords folder in the dominions directory, and find your pretender file (e.g. mid_pythium_0.2h)
- E-mail the file to: pretenders[ at ]llamaserver[ dot ]net
- Crucially, you must have the game name in the subject line of your e-mail


- Join up in CHAT, we can talk there

[Frozen Lama]

i'll take sauromatia

sorry, noob question, whats the BI mod?

[Von_Altair]

i'll take sauromatia

sorry, noob question, whats the BI mod?

It makes AI to work better. It turns off some cheap indy units. For example AI nations wont recruit useless militia units anymore, instead they will recruit more likely nationbased units wich are always better. This happens simply by increasing cost of those useless units.

[Frozen Lama]

sorry if this disqualifies me, but 1 hour is a little too fast for me and i'm not quite sure how it works. i mean, i have to sleep sometime;)

i can do maybe like 3 hours. unless i am understanding the sytem wrong.

oh and which BI mod do i use?

[Von_Altair]

sorry if this disqualifies me, but 1 hour is a little too fast for me and i'm not quite sure how it works. i mean, i have to sleep sometime;)

i can do maybe like 3 hours. unless i am understanding the sytem wrong.

oh and which BI mod do i use?

You are right, modified setups a bit to clear things out.

[Executor]

Don't you think Orania is rather big for a 4-8 players game?

[Frozen Lama]

ok 12h plus quickhost. that works perfect. thanks

[Von_Altair]

Don't you think Orania is rather big for a 4-8 players game?

It's good size map for noobs when there is 4-8 beginner players and 4-8 AI nations. It gives time and space for new players to advance and build up - atleast I think so :)

[simonlost]

I'll try if we are playing 12h turns. I have only ever played with Late R'lyeh and only up to a sigle player turn 24. But I'd be willing to try something new.

P.S. My friend suggested I get this game and I really don't know what I'm doing.

[Von_Altair]

I'll try if we are playing 12h turns. I have only ever played with Late R'lyeh and only up to a sigle player turn 24. But I'd be willing to try something new.

P.S. My friend suggested I get this game and I really don't know what I'm doing.

Good, this is for you then. Don't worry, playing the game is the best way to learn. MP games are even better and most fun ones. You want to try Early R'lyeh?

[simonlost]

I'll try if we are playing 12h turns. I have only ever played with Late R'lyeh and only up to a sigle player turn 24. But I'd be willing to try something new.

P.S. My friend suggested I get this game and I really don't know what I'm doing.

Good, this is for you then. Don't worry, playing the game is the best way to learn. MP games are even better and most fun ones. You want to try Early R'lyeh?



sure that sounds good.

[Trumanator]

Make sure to check out some of the guides and such in the Strategy Index. VERY helpful resource, escpecially for nations like EA R'lyeh that can be difficult to work out for a noobie.

[simonlost]

Make sure to check out some of the guides and such in the Strategy Index. VERY helpful resource, escpecially for nations like EA R'lyeh that can be difficult to work out for a noobie.

cool thanks I'll check that out.

[P3D]

I'd play were I not already committed in (my first) 4 games.
I'd suggest the smaller maps for a faster game, 20 provinces per player and no AI.

[Lingchih]

Sounds like a cool game. Not exactly a blitz game, but similar to a blitz. With some time to think about things a bit. Could we have a game like this for Vets? That would be very cool.

[Von_Altair]

Ok, we got 4 players. We can start with it, but few more would make it more fun.

[Executor]

Sounds like a cool game. Not exactly a blitz game, but similar to a blitz. With some time to think about things a bit. Could we have a game like this for Vets? That would be very cool.

Feel free to make one yourself.

[Caerun]

I'm not sure if I qualify as a noob anymore, having played in a few games, but if that's not a problem and there's enough room, I could join. I'll be happy to give up my spot if someone newer signs up, of course. Also to be honest, I still consider myself something of a noob, especially with regards to multiplayer.

So if after all that you still don't mind me joining in, put me down as Marverni.

[Frozen Lama]

question: how do i change the E-mail address that llamaserver sends turns to?

[Von_Altair]

Yes, the game is up and everyone can send pretenders now. As long as the game didin't start (recruiting message at topic) a new players can join up.

- added instructions to first message for those who don't know how to do it.

[P3D]

Thinking about it, I'd play on a smaller map - say modified Urraparand or Parganos. 70 indie province for every player borders on crazy.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=41374&highlight=urraparrand
My other suggestions are renaming on, perhaps difficult research, and extra gold for the Urraparrand map.

[Von_Altair]

As soon as simonlost has sent his pretender, the game will start!

[Von_Altair]

The game started. Email sent you information about 24h time interval, but it is changed to 12h. However I expect that we can do turns a lot faster than that in this phase!

If someone wants to change email address or change something, just let me know. Happy gaming!

[P3D]

The turn duration seems to be 48h or so - due time being Monday 2140GMT instead of Sunday 1540GMT or whatever.

[Von_Altair]

The turn duration seems to be 48h or so - due time being Monday 2140GMT instead of Sunday 1540GMT or whatever.

Yeah, somehow server didin't allow me to setup that at start. But as soon as everyone sent pretenders, it did. It is now turned to 12h.

[llamabeast]

Oh my gosh, that's a big map for that many human players! It may be fun, but if it ends up feeling big don't be put off. Standard is probably around 15 provinces per player.

Frozen Lama: are you sorted re your e-mail address? Von_Altair should be able to sort it for you.

Hoep you all enjoy the game!

[Frozen Lama]

yeah i got it all sorted out. thanks

[Frozen Lama]

just to make sure, we are going to a 24h host starting monday right?

[Von_Altair]

just to make sure, we are going to a 24h host starting monday right?

There is no need for such thing at this moment. Its only turn 7 going on. I think everyone can manage this early phase fast enough. This is supposed to be a fast game anyway. When it comes to turn 20-30, we will see how it goes and talk about it.

[Trumanator]

Thats going to be a problem for him. He has school 7:30-2:30, and generally has to stay after till ~4:00. Having looked at the game status, he is almost certainly going to stale this turn unless he gets it in at the last moment.

I know all this cuz he's my bro.

[P3D]

Change it to 15-18hrs then.

[Frozen Lama]

hey guys, i'm going to be going AI very soon if we don't get 24 host times. i can get in 1 turn every day very reliably, but like trumanator said, i cant do less especially with quickhost. i'm fine with staling this time around, but if we don't get 24hours, i may as well just set myself to AI now.

[Trumanator]

It would suck to set you to AI, maybe you should find a sub instead if the situation is going to be that bad?

[Frozen Lama]

well this is certainly a dumb way for my first MP game to go but playing every other turn isn't really playing. i will post for a sub this evening and if not i will go AI.

[Von_Altair]

Changed time interval for the game to 15h like P3D and Frozen Lama requested. Have a nice gaming!

[Frozen Lama]

i think we have a problem. the game status says turn 15 and we're on turn 18. i get an email back saying i sent in wrong turn number. any ideas? if it looks like we need help, can we postpone so i don't stale?

[P3D]

Ask for resending the current turn, bottom of the page.
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Noobieworld

[Frozen Lama]

yeah i got it figured out.

[Frozen Lama]

Are you guys OK with a 24hour hosting time once the week starts? Most of us are approaching 30 provs and 4-5 forts so it takes more than a few seconds to play our turns (at least for me) so i figure its about time?

[Caerun]

No objections to 24 from my end.

[Frozen Lama]

I know you guys are probably sick of me asking about hosting, but i'm over the 40 prov mark... i'm still making it, but if no one is actually against the idea, i'd like to extend the turns. I don't know if VonAltair is still reading this thread, but if any of the rest of you care, please input to see if me and caerun are the only ones who want it..

as a side note, the forges of Sauromatia are open, with much diversity, so if you need items, i can likely sell them to you in exchange most likely for gems or slaves.

[P3D]

Second the extension of the turn.
Turns are pretty fast for this game anyways.

[Von_Altair]

I know you guys are probably sick of me asking about hosting, but i'm over the 40 prov mark... i'm still making it, but if no one is actually against the idea, i'd like to extend the turns. I don't know if VonAltair is still reading this thread, but if any of the rest of you care, please input to see if me and caerun are the only ones who want it..

as a side note, the forges of Sauromatia are open, with much diversity, so if you need items, i can likely sell them to you in exchange most likely for gems or slaves.

When I created this game, I had few things in my mind. 1st, it has to be fast turn game for beginner level players. I basically don't like an idea to have a training game with slow speed as the game will last for ages. That in my mind, I choosed a large map and only few human players and some AI, so it would be nice environment to learn things out with fast speed.

I am sorry if my game is too fast for your timetable, but thats what it is and will be so. I announced at the start, that it will be fast turn game as subject of this thread says clearly. You maded your choice when you joined in, knowing these facts. If situation changed, you can always find a new subplayer for your country or put it as AI player. As soon as this game is over, I will create a new game with normal 24h speed or join the one which has it. This game started and will be fast until the end. I am not going to change everything, just becose the one maded mistake by misreading the game description. Others joined in just becose they wanted fast game like me. If more than half (4/6) wants to vote for change, then it will happen.

Have a nice game and I wish you find that time somehow.

[rdonj]

Large maps do not make for quick turns. When maps get larger, micromanagement and number of tasks increase, and it takes longer to do your turns especially if they get more complex. Now, frozen llama has the largest empire in the game. 45 provinces is a LOT of provinces. In comparison yours is about half the size, which means about half the tasks to perform, track, and coordinate.

Your game is already quite far in at 33 turns. You are at the point where most games would already be at 48 hour hosting. 24 hours seems quite reasonable at this stage of the game and would not push your turns back overly much. That said I am not playing the game so I have no vote. But that seemed an overly harsh response to a reasonably-worded request for hosting to be lengthened, imo.

[Caerun]

I was under the impression that we'd be going for 24h hosting times around the 20-30 turns mark. I seem to recall something to that effect being in the opening post but there's nothing like that there now, so am I just remembering wrong? Which is perfectly possible, mind you.

[Frozen Lama]

well rdonj and Caerun have done most of my talking for me, but one thing i'd like to point out is that our Ulm player has never appeared on the forums so he likely does not count as a vote for an extension. and simonlost has not posted, but has staled twice, and usually is last or second-to-last getting his turn in, so i think we can assume he needs more time too.

[Von_Altair]

Just wanted to say to everyone that Frozen Lama attacked my back after my statement about timetable. We had peacedeal with us and he lyed about his unit appearings at border. Biggest nation doing such thing against someone who is already in a war. Smells badly like personal revenge as host didin't do what he wanted right away. Like I sayd earlier, time will change with 4/6 votes.

Just remember this guys name in future games. His words means nothing, they change direction like a wind.

[Frozen Lama]

while i admit to attacking him, and not being happy about the timetable, we were under no formal peace deal. he can review his private messages to check, but never was a NAP signed or any specific agreement. Also, it makes perfect strategic sense to attack the weakest human nation on my borders especially while they are busy. if that seems wrong to Abysia, i don't know what to say.

Edit: oh and he also ignored the fact that one player isn't a forum member, and another has not posted yet staled twice.

[Frozen Lama]

sigh,

I am sorry to see how nasty this thread has become.
I admit, at least 50% is my fault. For that I am sorry, and i will endeavor to be more polite from now on.

I know it appears bad, but in all honesty I am really confused right now. VonAltair, I truly don't know where you think we had a "peacedeal." I had no intention of being backstabbing. Maybe it was my own ignorance, but I always took special care to make sure I never said any definite peace terms, and always used the word "yet" regarding invading you. I am sorry if it was unclear. I also, don't like the timetable, but it had no bearing on my attacking you. Abyssia is the only Human player that I have more than a 1 province border with, so it is stratigically obvious that I would assault them soon. The fact that Abyssia was already at war has an obvious tactical appeal, since it meant he had to split his forces. This may seem distasteful, but it also a simple strategic move.

Like I said above, I apologize for how nasty this thread has become, but I feel that I am in the right here.

[Von_Altair]

sigh,

I am sorry to see how nasty this thread has become.
I admit, at least 50% is my fault. For that I am sorry, and i will endeavor to be more polite from now on.

I know it appears bad, but in all honesty I am really confused right now. VonAltair, I truly don't know where you think we had a "peacedeal." I had no intention of being backstabbing. Maybe it was my own ignorance, but I always took special care to make sure I never said any definite peace terms, and always used the word "yet" regarding invading you. I am sorry if it was unclear. I also, don't like the timetable, but it had no bearing on my attacking you. Abyssia is the only Human player that I have more than a 1 province border with, so it is stratigically obvious that I would assault them soon. The fact that Abyssia was already at war has an obvious tactical appeal, since it meant he had to split his forces. This may seem distasteful, but it also a simple strategic move.

Like I said above, I apologize for how nasty this thread has become, but I feel that I am in the right here.


Ahh you trying to look like an angel now? I thought we don't bring this to public in our private chat, but if you try to pretend and show out like an angel fine.

It doesn't matter how you play with words and terms, facts are:
- You lied about your units at our border. You told ne they are garrisoning borders. As soon as you got enough of them, you attacked.
- You lied about our peace. You try to explain everything by words and methos, but it doesn't change the fact
- You did all this, right after my message about hosting thing. This sneaking backstab was your style to react on host and now you try to cover it with that "kindly" words? :)

I'll copy paste some of your PM:s considering this:
- "well i admit i find some pleasure in the sneak attack"
- "i have no remorse in attacking you. have fun with my tartarians"
- "i don't deny my dislike of the hosting scheduale, and i admit i should have read more carefully when i joined up"

I don't want to start flamewar. I just want that you get what you earn. Lying and doing backstabs won't deserve any respect/trust, especially if you do such things becose of host didin't do right away what you wanted.

Now, I just wish you a good game, hope you really enjoy you strategy :)

[Frozen Lama]

oh yay, take things out of context. whatever. have fun with it. If i had time to copy paste some of my other lines from my PM's i could explain how you made a horrible judgement error by thinking i would never attack you. i was garrisoning borders. i did for about 7 turns after your question. if you'd asked maybe 3 turns ago, i would have been more forthcoming as i actually did plan to attack then. if you intended this to be a totally open, tell everyone your plans every turn game, i must have missed the memo.

please don't take things out of context and be a little reasonable. its a game, i exxplained to you how i saw things, and we had a misunderstanding. not a huge deal, not lying backstabbing, and not gross ignorance on Abyssia's part, a misunderstanding. i attacked you because thats what we do in Dom3.

[Von_Altair]

i attacked you because thats what we do in Dom3.

I have no problem with attacks, even sneak attacks. Hovewer your attitude before my host statement and right after changed so radically, that there is only one conclusion. Reason you attacked against me right now, no matter what you told earlier. You had a motive, - personal one. Thats something out of context, the game itself should be different out of hosting the game.

Funny part is, that you admit by yourself that I was right. You didin't bother to read about "Fast game for noobs".

Now, lets concentrate to the game?

[Frozen Lama]

sign, ok i'm done.

thank you for suggesting we go back to gaming. i agree

[simonlost]

Hey guys sorry I haven't been on the forum in awhile but I also am in favor of going to 24 hour turns at this point. If it stays the same as it is now I will live with it but I vote in favor of 24. I'll try to keep a better eye on the thread and see what you guys decided. Thanks.

[Frozen Lama]

umm, not to press the issue, but i need it. 4/6?

[P3D]

That's not 4/6 but 3/4 now.

[Frozen Lama]

right. time for a late game duel huh?

[Frozen Lama]

not to be a bother still, but umm VonAltair? can we have 24h?

[P3D]

I need a few hours' extension if possible.

[Frozen Lama]

well i don't know if VonAltair is still reading the thread. so i hope he does, cause it would suck if you were to stale at this point in our war. though i could certainly use it lol. :)

[Von_Altair]

Ok since votes are 3/4 now, host will work with 24h from this moment (quickhost still on). Although mr. lying backstabber wont need that long, since you will be released from your provinces and your heavy burden will be over :)

[Frozen Lama]

lolz. cool with me.

[P3D]

FL,
how long do you want to continue?

[Frozen Lama]

well its pretty inevitable now isn't it? too darn many flyers. lol. i finished researching and now i get to test out how many mages i can lose in a single turn. lol. we could probably call it a game i guess. theres no way you can lose now.

so yeah, we can call it a game. great job P3D. make sure you report it to the HoF

[P3D]

Have to admit, I had two great magic sites - 40% Blood and 20% Construction bonuses (though looking at your loremasters you should not complain either).
I don't think they mattered much, though. I could have easily doubled my blood hunting to compensate for that, and had a lot of gem income that I did not use.
My Rain of Toads/Horror spam seemed pretty efficient from the outside.

I guess my win means I should not take part in any more new Noob games...

[Trumanator]

I'm going to venture out and say that stealing the chalice was what really sealed the deal. That and FL's abysmal N and D incomes.
The toads spam was definitely effective, the horror spam probably a bit less so.
I was impressed though by how effective the jags were as bodyguards for your mages, the manifestation/earth attack spam was wiping Aby from what I could see.

[Frozen Lama]

yeah, what trumanator said. Not having really any astral magic at all was also really crippling. only reason i survived as long as i did was because of FotA giving me super cheap artifacts and really really cheap clams

[P3D]

That surprised me too. 5 of them with F9W9(N4) bless was pretty effective, and the Elementals could not trample them due to high defense. So I did not have to bother with Rings of Warning and devil bodyguards.

Was the early game Death income spent on skull mentors to get so high research?

I would not have wasted N gems to GoR the Tartarians Monstrums. They still fly, have 2 attack and a load of HP.

My Astral magic was only slightly better - S2 Moon Priests vs. S1 Enaries. That's still 4 empowerment to cast Wish. I was also clamming for half the price, that's why I could afford it.

By the last turn I finally got my Tartarian factory going.

F9W9 bless worked for the Pegasus Riders just as fine.

[Frozen Lama]

it was weird, i only made about 5-7 skull mentors, and i had a drain scale. i just had a ton of money and built a huge amount of enaries.

lol i had 75% off my clams. 3w1n gems. same for bloodstones.

and yeah, those pegasus riders were nasty in the end.

on the last turn, a Doom Horror, the Eater of Gods attacked my gorgon. never seen a doom horror before. survived thanks to armor of virtue though. lol.

[Frozen Lama]

i'm assuming we're done, so i won't need to submit a turn file right? P3D did, so umm yeah..

[P3D]

Half the players don't visit the forum often, they are getting an ingame message.

[Frozen Lama]

oh ok. cool

[Von_Altair]

The game has ended! Gongratulations Mictlan - P3D for victory!

It was a good training game, i've learned a lot.

Thanks to everyone for joining!

[Von_Altair]

the manifestation/earth attack spam was wiping Aby from what I could see.

They killed few regular mages yes, but nothing to worry about. Mages are easy to replace with Abysia. I would not waste gems on those spells without knowledge to hit real important targets.

Only thing that was bothering me, was slow research. I did make mistake and choosed -2 drain at start. With such slow nation like Abysia it was bad mistake. I had very hard time at early phase when fighting against Marverni and research was poor. After all I was able to beat Marverni. They only spammed slingers against my E9 blessed burning ones. Marverni could make some damage only with indy crystal mages.

Sauromatia backstabbed me and I had to giveup land at start becose all my armies were sieging Marverni leftover keeps. Sauromatian landforces were almost useless as well. Few lucky archers got hit on my mages and I had to send new mages to fronts. Sauromatia obviosly used superior magic and summoned tartarians and other beasts. After all, those things are not enough without landforce support which was locked down by toads. I had nice collection of Tartarian heads and superior artifacts at the end. Also my slow research were at steps where I could start my own magic storm, but it came too late for this game :)

Once again, thanks to everyone for the game.