Dominions Unit Questions

[NTJedi]

Two questions, I'm hoping someone knows the answers:

1) What units are not being used within the game?
I know about the Golden Naga(334), Daughter of the Land(385), but I'm sure there's several more units. For example I've noticed there's many types of spiders... are all of them used? Any other unused/obsolete units? Precise unit numbers if you know of any unused/obsolete units.

2) According to the database there's only 32 units with assassinate and/or seduce? Is this accurate? I'm not counting those with the corruption ability since they are so powerful they would most likely be used for more than assassinations.

[lch]

1) What units are not being used within the game?
I know about the Golden Naga(334), Daughter of the Land(385), but I'm sure there's several more units.
Depends on what you consider "being used". They may be recruits, summons, secondshapes, secondtmpshapes, and so on. Do you want to comb through the unit list with me to find out what unit is being used where? Then PM me. :)

2) According to the database there's only 32 units with assassinate and/or seduce? Is this accurate?
32? Two units that corrupt (and five second shapes on the Grigori). Two units that seduce like a succubus. Eight units that have "normal" seduction. And I consider that already to be plenty of units.

[Edi]

All of the slots that are unused, except the Golden Naga, can be found in the Better Independents mod, where some units have been copied to the unused slots and the unused slot copies replace indie equivalents in national unit lists except for that one militia type you can get from events.

Easiest way to find them by looking at the mod code, because it's commented.

[Gandalf Parker]

Two questions, I'm hoping someone knows the answers:

1) What units are not being used within the game?


Edi's spreadsheet seems to stay the most up to date. You might display it in unit number sequence, and take a look at any numeric holes.

But Id avoid making much use of them. Those tend to be "scribble" areas for Kristoffer. Making use of any might cause a sudden surprise in your mod when later patched.

[NTJedi]

Thanks Gandalf and Edi... I wasn't really looking for slots which were not used, but more like existing units which are not used. Hence a mod could adjust their description, stats, etc., and provide new units.

Gandalf... I was also wondering what you thought of the AI Opponent Balance Mod I recently created. I thought you'd especially be interested.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=42679

[Edi]

Now that I think of it, some of those unit numbers are also in the Ermor mod I made that's buried somewhere in the mods & maps forum. Not sure if BI uses them all, as the mods were supposed to be compatible.

[lch]

Thanks Gandalf and Edi... I wasn't really looking for slots which were not used, but more like existing units which are not used. Hence a mod could adjust their description, stats, etc., and provide new units.
Yeah, there aren't any "holes" anyway. Just units that are possibly unused. That's how I understood your question, too - my offer still stands. :p

[statttis]

The Golden Naga is Patala's multihero in CBM

[Gandalf Parker]

Thanks Gandalf and Edi... I wasn't really looking for slots which were not used, but more like existing units which are not used. Hence a mod could adjust their description, stats, etc., and provide new units.

Thats what I meant. I believe that Edi's file only lists those that are used in the game. So any gaps in the numbers inside his file should reflect ones not in use. They usually do have an image, and some stats, but arent complete. So if you check out the gapped numbers I think you will find what you want.


Gandalf... I was also wondering what you thought of the AI Opponent Balance Mod I recently created. I thought you'd especially be interested.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=42679
Ive been meaning to check it out. I havent really had much time for Dominions for awhile. I recently got back from a "tour" of a number of fancy hospitals with my son. Still trying to catch up on 3 weeks of house chores.

But I did glance at it. And I will still thank you for creating such a mod. I will try to give specific responses later.

Gandalf Parker
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[Edi]

Gandalf, actually all of those units are complete, but they have names like "Unused Ancient One" or something else. There are no gaps in the numbers.

The Golden Naga is also, as noted, used as multihero for Patala in CBM/Worthy Heroes, which is why I don't use it in the Ermor Restoration mod or in BI mod to eliminate undesired things.

[Edi]

Gandalf, actually all of those units are complete, but they have names like "Unused Ancient One" or something else. There are no gaps in the numbers.

The Golden Naga is also, as noted, used as multihero for Patala in CBM/Worthy Heroes, which is why I don't use it in the Ermor Restoration mod or in BI mod to eliminate undesired things.

[NTJedi]

Yeah, there aren't any "holes" anyway. Just units that are possibly unused. That's how I understood your question, too - my offer still stands. :p

As soon as I have some more time I'll take you up on the offer. :)

[NTJedi]

Gandalf, actually all of those units are complete, but they have names like "Unused Ancient One" or something else. There are no gaps in the numbers.

The Golden Naga is also, as noted, used as multihero for Patala in CBM/Worthy Heroes, which is why I don't use it in the Ermor Restoration mod or in BI mod to eliminate undesired things.

If the database does list all units which are not being used with the name starting as Unused... I'll check it out.

[lch]

If the database does list all units which are not being used with the name starting as Unused... I'll check it out.
No, KO just renamed some units as being explicitly unused:

Empty - Old Standard (2)
Empty - Legionnaire (8)
Empty - Legionnaire (9)
Empty - Legionnaire (10)
Empty - Minotaur (1137)
Empty - Warlord (1138)
Unused Ancient One (1454)

That's probably only the tip of the iceberg. Though I wouldn't expect that there's that much to gain - at most a couple dozen unit slots, perhaps, but most certainly a lot less than 100.

[Edi]

The others that are not used:

91 Hydra (old)
766 Hydra (old Serpent Cult)
767 Hydra Hatchling (old Serpent Cult)
719 Hydra Hatchling (old)
385 Daughter of the Land
601 Lady of Fortune (old version, replaced by 1344)
851 Cu Sidhe (maybe, there is a newer version that replaces this one, not sure of all instances)
955 Asynja (replaced in all instances by 1098)
1603 Human Huskarl (never used anywhere)
1604 Human Huskarl (never used anywhere)
1455 Ancient Wet One (never seen this anywhere, perhaps appears in EA Agarthan underwater PD

[lch]

851 Cu Sidhe (maybe, there is a newer version that replaces this one, not sure of all instances)
I think those units are still being used in the Wild Hunt.

[NTJedi]

Huge Thanks Ich and Edi !