Noob LA Game: Cataclysm - And Begin!

[chrispedersen]

Hey guys:

Illuminated has asked to take over Rylleh (it was his originally)
and even tho I'm having fun with the position, I think its only fair.

However, I haven't heard from him in 2 days, or so. Can we get a delay to allow him to take over the position/ hear from him?

[Alpine Joe]

Hey guys:

Illuminated has asked to take over Rylleh (it was his originally)
and even tho I'm having fun with the position, I think its only fair.

However, I haven't heard from him in 2 days, or so. Can we get a delay to allow him to take over the position/ hear from him?


I am all for a delay, as this is a pretty significant turn and I could use the extra time to think over my next move anyway.

Thanks for subbing Chris, having rlyeh go AI would have really messed up the game.

[Illuminated One]

As chrisperdersen says.
I don't have the turn file so it's impossible to get the next turn in and I'd need some time to familiarize with the nation again I guess.

[Fakeymcfake]

Alright I'm going on vacation tomorrow for 5 days, before then I'll switch the email for R'lyeh, providing Illuminated One sends me his email in time, and delay the game so that I don't end up missing turns.

Ill, I'll check back here later today, but if you're email isn't here you'll have to wait until next tuesday or wednesday.

[chrispedersen]

Arg!

Guys it staled!

[Frozen Lama]

Mari- wow, that battle was a huge nail-biter for me. those angels are freaking scary looking. never fought them in such numbers before lol.

[Fakeymcfake]

Yeah I severely underestimated your giants there. Thankfully I have two other armies to correct my mistake with. Also, good use of that healing spell.

Anyhow I'm putting the long delay on the game now, sorry about your stall Chris but I've not been sent a new email address so I thought you were continuing. In anycase I won't be able to switch it over if Illuminated One wants to take over again until at least tuesday.

[chrispedersen]

but I *asked* for a delay so illuminated could send in the email addy.

[Fakeymcfake]

Sorry I had thought you meant this one. Anyhow, one stale certainly won't be R'lyeh's undoing and he'll have about 5 days to get it to you now. If he doesn't by then it's a fair shake that he's not going to.

[Illuminated One]

Well, R'lyeh will survive the one stale.
However given that there is a 5 days delay already, I can hopefully get my email set and a day to send in the next.
I'll try to get the turn file from chrispedersen and have it played by then, and send it in a soon as I get the confirmation from llamaserver.

[Frozen Lama]

WAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!!!!! Utgard hungers for blood! meet us in battle Mari, let us test the mettle of your army!

[Fakeymcfake]

The clash of arms and the ring of steel upon steel is but the last phase of a proper war. You must learn to appreciate the subtleties of combat and know that a war is won far before the armies even catch sight of one another.

[Frozen Lama]

Spoken like a filthy human whimp!

Utgard will crush you beneath our claws! The Waaaagh is inexorable, you will fall!

[Fakeymcfake]

Sigh, I could not expect a savage such as yourself to understand. Strange that beings so large would have brains so small.

[Illuminated One]

"War is the business of barbarians.", Anonymous R'lyeh cultist

"Love thy enemy", another anonymous R'lyeh cultist

[Fakeymcfake]

Yes but I've also been told by the R'lyeh cultists that chimpmunks are harbingers of the end-times. Instead they are only harbingers of a dug up garden.

[Frozen Lama]

just some advanced warning:

I will be out of town thursday the 13th and friday the 14th, and pretty busy saturday. i should be able to send a turn thursday morning, and Maybe saturday, but if you could just watch and make sure i don't stale, or just add a few hours that would be great.

[Fakeymcfake]

That works out for me as it looks like I'll be doing some urban camping over the weekend (which if you're unclear is setting up a tent in someone's backyard and doing all the usual camping stuff, such as drinking and bbq) so I was going to let everyone know I might delay the weekend turn by a number of hours.

[Frozen Lama]

Own a house in Kokytos? Want to sell it fast!

Now's a great time to sell a house in the Kokytos region, due to a sudden surge in immigration. Angels and Tartarians are flocking to the region looking for homes. Contact you local Kokytos real estate agent for details!

[Fakeymcfake]

I don't know, I think your Skratti could use a vacation, somewhere warm and dry. You know, I hear the Inferno is also quite nice this season, granted they might have to do something about that fur...

[Fakeymcfake]

delayed game slighty so P3D could get his turn in.

[Illuminated One]

What a turn...
My airqueen dies in an untested attack, my Eater of the Dead betrays me and a thug disappear for unknown reasons (bugs? R'lyeh special features?).

[Illuminated One]

Could you please delay the game for a couple of hours?
I should be able to get the turn in before 8:00 GMT on Monday.

[Fakeymcfake]

Once this turn hosts I'll have to delay the game again so that we Frozen Lama can get his turn in. Shouldn't be more than an extra 24-30 hours.

[Illuminated One]

R'lyeh is selling skull mentors, anyone interested PM me.

[Fakeymcfake]

A glorious victory over the ravening hordes of sub-human Utgard giants! Though faced with what seemed to be overwhelming numbers (relatively speaking) including a massive amount of their beastial wolfmen the superior might and magic of Marignon's mages and warriors prevailed and slaughtered the Utgard force to nearly a man!

May this be the start of many such victories over the so called unstoppable forces of the giants!

Really though, I tried a lot of things I hadn't before in that battle, and holy crap it performed way better than I thought it would. Did you see what happened on the bottom flank? I had crossbowmen, bloody atk 8 def 8 crossbowmen tearing up your giants. Meanwhile other things that I usually relied upon ended up being a big disappointment, those angels for example.

I'm really going to have to reexamine how I use my resources after this one, either way that was one hell of an exciting fight.

[Frozen Lama]

Ok, someone in this game has way to much time on their hands to do diplomacy. I can almost understand when i was running away with the game, and i got ganged up on, but really? now? i was fighting one of my most enjoyable wars ever in Dom3, a back and forth duel. and now... really? theirs no way i can fight off all three of you. this is certainly why most real players are more and more in favor of no diplo games.

[Fakeymcfake]

Lama you've no idea how annoying that Illwinter is. Also, they smell blood in the water, and I won't say I'm above going after an easy meal if I can get it. Anyhow the war was fun, I was hoping that it would carry on a bit longer than it did but oh well. Of course they let me do all the heavy lifting first while they went after the AI Van.

[Fakeymcfake]

Actually yeah, just so that everyone knows, there are certain spells that if cast are essentially like declaring war on everyone in game. Illwinter is one, Arcane Nexus is another, so is Forge of Ancients, Astral Corruption, Utterdark as well as most of the other global faction specific ones I haven't mentioned. Also to a lesser extent Wild Hunt and Ghost Ship Armada. Oh and wishing for earth breaking quakes constantly, that's a REALLY annoying one.

Cast any of the above only if you know you'll be able to fight off attacks from all corners, or if you just want to go down in a blaze of glory.

Point is Lama, we probably would have ganged up on you if you cast that in a no diplo game as well.

[Alpine Joe]

Llama if you must know I'm going after you because Illwinter is driving me crazy. All my provinces are at C3 and as Heat preference nation this is tanking my income. Not to mention the giant attacks.

Kill off your illwinter caster and I would be content with peace.

[Illuminated One]

Nah, the Illwinter is not very powerful. It's annoying but imo Gift of Health or Well of Misery or for that matter Maelstrom is more dangerous.

edit: Oh, it does make everything a frozen wasteland? Lol, we didn't even notice that, there's still to much live here for our liking.

[Alpine Joe]

Nah, the Illwinter is not very powerful. It's annoying but imo Gift of Health or Well of Misery or for that matter Maelstrom is more dangerous.

edit: Oh, it does make everything a frozen wasteland? Lol, we didn't even notice that, there's still to much live here for our liking.

Yeah, illwinter wouldn't hurt you too much, but those of us without freespawn and heat preference are finding the 40 percent income reduction a little hard to deal with :(

[Frozen Lama]

If i'd been attacked 10 turns or less after i put it up, i probably would have said "ok i deserved it," but when its 40 turns later, and most people are using summons/SC's instead of real armies, it's odd. This kind of thing happens, i know, and in a game with diplomacy, i guess everyone has to play the game, and you can't just enjoy fighting.

and as far as "blood in the water" goes- what? yeah, so they smelled the scent that if everyone attacks one guy, it will be easy? ok, that's dumb.

i realize that as much as i hate diplomacy, its part of the game, so mostly i'm just venting, nothing against you guys, but come on, this was really really gay.

illwinter is cast with the minimum slaves required, so if anyone is really annoyed by it, dispel it.

i won't quit, despite the pointlessness of continuing....

[Fakeymcfake]

It might not be the most exciting or sportsmanlike method of playing, but everyone dog piling one guy is a common feature. Hell it happens in no diplo games if people are wise enough to pay attention to the charts, or just have really good scouting.

And honestly, I'm just really starting to notice the effects of Illwinter now. Took some time for it to really drain the heat scales out of everything. And, if you noticed, I attacked you as soon as I had Jomon out of the way, that was because of Illwinter... and I didn't want you to get cofortable with your lands you just took from Pan.

Oh and the last thing, with the summons and SCs, that's what the end game is like unless you're using mods to stop the endgame from being like that. Tartartians, demons, golems, remote summons, that's how it works, or at least that's how the opening shots work. The armies come after you've taken over the provinces to crack the castles.

And if you think you're completely defeated, go out in a blaze of glory. I've done that in several games where I picked one target and threw everything I had at them kamikaze style so that even though I was defeated I had completely crippled the guy in question and he was a pushover for the next guy. Hell, one time I completely tore down every castle I had, pillaged every province and killed off well over half the population in my remaining holdings, plus a few of his, before the end so that the lands that were mine were a wasteland.

So just because you're on the outs doesn't mean you're not still a player. You might not be able to win yourself but you can still stop someone else from winning.

[Frozen Lama]

Like i said diplomacy is a fact. the difference between in no diplo games is that they only gang people who are clearly leaders, this game has 5 amazingly equal powers, Utgard was running away with it 50 turns ago, but now, utgard was equal with everyone else. a little more money, a little less gems.

illwinter made every single province cold-3, even in Mictlan and Gath's heat scale lands, about 10-15 turns ago.

and with the SC's that's my point- the income hit isn't an excuse when mostly gold doesn't matter anymore.

and i plan to go out in a blaze of glory.

[Fakeymcfake]

Good man, stick it to those jerks, me included. :D

Oh, and cash still counts. Properly buffed basic troops are nightmarish, that and more gold income means more mages per turn.

[Illuminated One]

Well, I can really understand Frozen Lama.
There's a difference between a dogpile against an overly strong nation and one that materializes after a player had some big defeat. And if I'm not missing anything this was only the second real war in this game.
But it's only a game and it's allowed, so what.

This turn gives me really a lot to think about, so if the game could be delayed for 24h that would be great.

[QUOUTE=Alpine Joe]Yeah, illwinter wouldn't hurt you too much, but those of us without freespawn and heat preference are finding the 40 percent income reduction a little hard to deal with[/QUOTE]

Hmm, for Mari I can understand that, but for you?
With your little income and upkeepless blood summons I'd prefer anything that reduces income.

[Alpine Joe]

Like frozen_Llama said, this game has proceeded through many turns with 5 very equal powers (with utgard slightly more powerful). However in that situation, I am astonished that it comes as a surprise to anyone that any sign of weakness in one of the 5 balanced powers would result in a swarm of attacks. I don't see it as particularly smart planning to pick a fight with a nation as strong as you, or to let other strong nations pick apart a dying nation while you sit on the sidelines.

I agree, Llama, I also prefer no-diplomacy games. However in a no diplo game, a weak player is just as likely to get swarmed.

illuminated One: My blood summons may not cost upkeep, but my mages and troops still do. I spent 10 turns alchemizing to recruit cap only mages, and that is a direct result of Illwinter.

[Fakeymcfake]

I'm going to set the autohost on 100 hours for the next two turns. This is because I will be moving to my university on saturday and I might not be able to get online for a couple of days. With luck everything will be sorted by monday or tuesday.

[Illuminated One]

It doesn't surprise R'lyeh at all. It just proves our opinions about the sentient species on this planet on which unfortunately we are shipwrecked, which is sad.

RP aside sure on average (*) it's smarter to do as you say. But that's not a strategy. No bad feelings on you (except for the things I know you did last early fall) but it doesn't make a good game imo.

(*) There are exceptions.

[Frozen Lama]

can i have a 24h extension? i have some things to plan. i might get to it tonight, but i want to be safe. thanks

[Illuminated One]

Woah, this game is really a mess.

R'lyeh will join the current war.
As we are not yet sure on which side, all nations that we have a NAP with should treat these as potentially terminating on turn 69 - anything I said via PM is additionally the case.

Before I send in the next turn I can tell you who specifically is affected.

[Illuminated One]

It's the NAP with Mictlan that's going to end.

[Alpine Joe]

It's the NAP with Mictlan that's going to end.

So am I correct in assuming turn 70 is our last turn of peace?

[Illuminated One]

I will issue attack orders on 70, so my troops will arrive at turn 71.

[Fakeymcfake]

Alright finally got internet running again and I'll respond to whatever PMs sent shortly once I've time to review my situation. At the moment I'm dealing with a lot of school paperwork, including personal funding. So I should be able to have things sorted sometime on thrusday or friday.

[Fakeymcfake]

Oh, after this turn I'm going to set the hosting time back to something reasonable, probably 60 hours. That is unless anyone has any reservations or wishes a quicker or slower turn around than the one I mentioned.

[Frozen Lama]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!

Utgard has returned! our Well of Misery is a symbol of our divinity! Bow before the giants.

[Alpine Joe]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!

Utgard has returned! our Well of Misery is a symbol of our divinity! Bow before the giants.

Good show frozen Llama. I hadn't expected to lose that so soon. No matter, mictlan has plenty of pain to give out to both you and R'lyeh.

[Alpine Joe]

And...it looks like I am in the same situation Utgard was a few turns ago. No matter, I will repel all invaders!!

Also.....How many clams do you have r'lyeh???

[Illuminated One]

If there was any plan behind the repeated wishing for our chalice not hardly as many as Mictlan. :D
As we are on the topic how's Aegyr? It's emberassing but we really have no idea.


Another thing: It's turn 70. Could we switch to a 76h hosting interval?

[Alpine Joe]

Aegyr?

[Fakeymcfake]

yeah I'll bump it up to 76 after this turn.

[Illuminated One]

Your god.

[Frozen Lama]

WAAAAAAAGH! a good turn. a skratti kills a tart, and i let the stolen skratti that mictlan's evil lord had corrupted rest in peace.

[Alpine Joe]

That will teach me to double check my scripts before sending a turn file. Stupid weapons of sharpness on PD....

[Illuminated One]

Um, sorry to say it the skratti is still there.
I think you are thinking of the werewolf you killed? That was mine, seems our spells have cancelled each other out. :)

[Frozen Lama]

:(...

[Frozen Lama]

(hopefully fakey gets this)

can i get an extension on the turn? maybe 6h

[Illuminated One]

Well, considering the discussion about "kingmaking", I wanted to ask here on how you feel about this.

I wasn't really intending to really stick it out in the long run, just trying to be a gameshaping power and then give the game up for "thematic" reasons (like Zukkekon doesn't care for belief of feeble mindless mortals and will leave the despoiled rest of this world to whoever has proven worthy and set out for the stars with his select followers with the items he has acquired).
R'lyeh is stronger than it's province count suggests. I have no idea if I could win in the end, if everyone played perfectly most likely not, but my actions will certainly have a big impact on who survives.

Also I think I have become to experienced for this game. When I joined it I had two real games finished, and one I practically gave up at turn 10. However now it's more like 5, and I don't really feel unsure about the battles anymore. I guess the battle for Mictlan is far from finished and the next turns might prove me terribly wrong, though the last turns have gone too smoothly for my liking.

That said I have several options.
I can play on like I planned or instead of giving up hand it to a sub.
I can try to line up a sub and let him take over the nation.
I could also play on and hand my nation over to someone who's been eliminated, when I go out.

I apologize to any player who feels hurt (though I wouldn't have played the turns differently, especially I had to take action against Mictlan if I was looking to stay in the game longer, with all that "accidentally" clashing of SCs and wishing for artifacts. No hard feeling from my side, it was all good in game action and I was feeling really cornered, hope you agree).

[Frozen Lama]

Honestly Illuminated One, i feel like i am in a very similar boat, i wouldn't consider myself a noob anymore, but i don't think any of the players here really are anymore. you are in a very powerful position, but its not like it was unfairly won. stick it out, and lets just see how it goes.

[Fakeymcfake]

I really didn't consider myself a "noob" going into this game. I certainly wasn't a vet by any means but I understood the basics of what to aim for as far as early/mid/late game as well as some more advanced tricks as Lama has seen. Anyhow, I still learned a lot in this game, as I'm sure we all have and I think that not one of us who has made it this far in the game could be reasonably considered a noob at this point.

What it comes down to Ill, is if you're bored with the game or don't think you've a reasonable chance of winning, then do something to make it interesting for you again. Themactically, have your pretender go nuts and set yourself up with crazy goals and grand, over-the-top plans of attack. Use this game to experiment without having to worry about winning or not, it'll give us all something unexpected to deal with.

[Illuminated One]

Well, it's not that the grand picture is not very interesting in this game, it's very tense. I don't think I don't have a reasonable chance of winning, might be might be not, although I will have some catching up to do.
It's that I'm really annoyed of how much "menial work" I have to do if I want to take the chance. Really if 10% of the game is decision making and the rest is just making clams, watching over provinces, checking that the scripts/equipment I made are equal to those I envisioned...
Well, enough whining, I guess I can indeed do some crazy stuff and suicide over it, but that wouldn't be to far from what I originally envisioned.

[Alpine Joe]

Yeah this game has convinced me that gem gens ruin games. I will be playing only non gem-gen games in the future, the micro is just too much.

[Illuminated One]

Well, as the never dying advocate of gem gens I have to say that they are really not a micro problem for me - only that I'm forced to make as many as I can sucks hard.
The one battle against your archdevil took me 5 times as long to execute as all my clam stuff while the plan was laid out in 5 minutes.
And still I forget to not put my best caster into a spot where he is killed by friendly fire. :(

[Illuminated One]

Well, since there are so many players who don't like when someone throws the towel I'll try to line up a sub.

[P3D]

Well, as the never dying advocate of gem gens I have to say that they are really not a micro problem for me - only that I'm forced to make as many as I can sucks hard.
The one battle against your archdevil took me 5 times as long to execute as all my clam stuff while the plan was laid out in 5 minutes.
And still I forget to not put my best caster into a spot where he is killed by friendly fire. :(

Have you tried fever fetishes? The definition of micro.

[Illuminated One]

Yes, I have. :(
I have only 10 to generate some extra money, though. :)

[Executor]

Hello everyone,
I'll be stepping in instead of I.O after the current turn hosts.

My address is ivanjica dot mafia et gmail dot com
If possible PM me with the existing treaties and packs after the current turn.

[Fakeymcfake]

I'll get you set up after this turn hosts Executor, interested to see what you'll make out of this game.

[Executor]

I always wanted to try LA R'lyeh, well I'll give hell to anyone that challenges me.
Will it be a problem that this is a noob game?

[Illuminated One]

Executor has offered to sub in.
Would be cool if you could get his email set in time for the new turn.

Good luck to all the other players.
It was a good game, but they are checking my medications better after the incident and I can't concentrate long enough for the turns.

Err ... I mean
Zukkekon will have changed his mind. About what you ask feeble mortals?
What 'about' he asks back? His old mind is weary. Nothing he had found on this world the starspawn called him upon that is worthy.
The mortals?
They see the world yet they don't perceive it. Faced with the truth, faced with the beauty, they have to deny it, to declare it invalid, void, to not recognize their twisted state, inventing values, rationalizing reasons, making justifications, unlogical, unintuitive, to explain away that they are merely the tools of powerhungry pretenders, and harly worthy of even that. Even with their limited sentience they multiplied to fast through disgusting rituals revolving around tentacles and orifices to be taken lightly.
The starspawn?
They at least understood the basics and used their tentacles correctly.
But they didn't grasp the plan. The littlest details he had to engrave into their mind. He couldn't take it any longer.
A new mind is what he needed. Would his new mind feel the same, act the same? Even he couldn't know, for he could only know his mind.
There might be great changes, there might be none. He didn't care for anything but sleep now.

[Fakeymcfake]

I always wanted to try LA R'lyeh, well I'll give hell to anyone that challenges me.
Will it be a problem that this is a noob game?

I wouldn't see it as being that much of a problem. Everyone who is left has been using more advanced tactics and strats and if worse comes to worse we'll just gang up and dogpile you.

Anyhow, the email has been switched and I've delayed the game another 6 hours so that Utgard and Gath have a chance to get their turns in.

[Alpine Joe]

I always wanted to try LA R'lyeh, well I'll give hell to anyone that challenges me.
Will it be a problem that this is a noob game?

Well i was a noob when I started this game but it has lasted so long.....

Welcome aboard executor. Enjoy dividing up the rest of my empire.:)

[Frozen Lama]

AN huh? very nice. if you turn this war around, i'll bow in awe. otherwise, way to go out with a bang

[Executor]

People, I think I'll have to drop this game, in fact, I'll probably have to Dominions all together, I'm the phase of moving and currently I practically have no internet access.
I have no idea if I'll settle in a week or a month, or if I'll have reliable internet access even when I finally move.

Sorry to bail right after taking the game but I have no other option. I really think R'lyeh could win this game.

[Illuminated One]

Lol, that would be the 4th R'lyeh player then.
Zukkekon has many minds to be sure.

(edit: Nothing against you Executor, it's just funny.)

[Fakeymcfake]

Alrighty then. Ill, you good to find yet another replacement or should I put up a thread? Either way I'll delay the game until we find a replacement.

[P3D]

I have to say I lost all my interest in Dom3.
Just don't have the patience to spend hours to figure out how to make battle scripts effective or just plan forging a few turns ahead - and that's essentially what it needs to be a good player.

I got about zero fun from the games I played lately. :(
Just getting a turn done late and in a very short time.

[Fakeymcfake]

Yeah, I kinda enjoy the early/mid game a bit more than the late. But I am enjoying this game and have figured out a lot of the mistakes I made earlier on because of it. If you want to find a replacement feel free to do so, you're in a strong enough position that you should be able to find someone fairly quick.

[Frozen Lama]

i assume we will have a delay on the turn for P3D to get a sub right?

[Illuminated One]

Ok, Pelthin has said he would sub.

[Fakeymcfake]

Arg, totally didn't mean to stale on this turn. I got swept up into an impromptu birthday celebration and by the time I got home I was in no condition to do anything but sleep and the next day I had to be at school at 8am so there goes that.

Anyhow, it depends what P3D says, also I just switched the emails for R'lyeh.

[P3D]

I do not want to submit any further turns.
There was one interest to sub but that's it.

[Fakeymcfake]

you have an email address for this guy?

[Fakeymcfake]

Alright, it appears that P3D has left without getting a replacement lined up so I guess I'll put out a posting for someone. Hopefully it'll get grabbed up quicklike.

Oh and I'm pretty much going to be incommunicado for the weekend, so I'm going to delay the game until monday.

[Fakeymcfake]

Alright, still haven't gotten any interest on someone stepping in for Gath. I'll give it a couple more days then we might have set him to AI. Do we want to keep delaying the game or just proceed?

[Frozen Lama]

well squrrelloid told me to ask him monday, since he wasn't sure yesterday. lets delay the turn a little, and if no one materializes by tuesday, we can give up

[Fakeymcfake]

Sounds good.

[Fakeymcfake]

Any word on squrrelloid? Also delaying the game another 24 hours, if no word by then we'll proceed with Gath set to AI.

[Frozen Lama]

well squrreilloid said no, but to tell the truth, i REALLY don't want Gath to go AI. they are arguable the leading nation right now, and going AI is just horrible. Also, frankly it basically means Mari gets to double their gem income for free since they have all the armies in place to take the free provs the AI will give them. I think we need to just wait a little longer. put a thread out and bump it repeatedly, call in a favor or something. honestly, i think this game is basically ruined if Gath goes AI

[Fakeymcfake]

Oh I agree with you Lama, however we might not have an option if we can't get a replacement. Anyhow I bumped the post I had for looking for a replacement so hopefully someone will respond, everyone else bug your buddies and see if you can get someone to fill in because I'm not really willing to continue to let it stale/have the hosting time delayed.

[Frozen Lama]

I know you don't like it, but could we delay the turn a little to see if anyone responds to my Mists of time offer? if you didn't see it, i offered to sub in there if one of them would sub here.

[Fakeymcfake]

Alright, it's staled another turn (and I staled too so the war hasn't gone anywhere) and I'll give it one more turn to see if anyone responds to Lama's offer. Otherwise, in the interests of proceeding with the game, I'll have to set Gath to AI.

[Fakeymcfake]

Alright, we have Ferrosol picking up Gath, I've delayed hosting until friday to give him time to familiarize himself. Hopefully this will be the last of the interruptions.

[Ferrosol]

Just to make it clear is there anyone I am not at war with? :D

[Frozen Lama]

Utgard for one ;) at least not yet

[Frozen Lama]

I will be traveling without internet acess from Oct 19th-24th. i know the game has been delay way to much lately, but i'd like to ask to delay the turn for me since most likely i would only need a sub for 1 turn.

thanks

[Fakeymcfake]

Sure. Just make sure to get your turn (whichever one we're on) in before the 19th and I'll delay the next one until you return.

[Fakeymcfake]

Crazy busy this weekend, I hope no one minds if I delay this a bit.

[Frozen Lama]

just make sure you delay the next turn for me then. :)

[Fakeymcfake]

Gah, forgot to get it in. Damn teacher's college keeping me up late making me learn how to instruct the future leaders of the world. Jerks.

And yes, I'll be sure to delay the next one so that you won't stale.

[Alpine Joe]

Okay just had a big problem with this game. I sent in my 2h file a few minutes ago, and autohost happened, but it said there was an error with llamaserver and it gave me a stale. I can't afford a stale at this point (with my survival at stake), and since this was a freak accident and there weren't that many players, I'm asking for a rollback. Hopefully everyone can just resubmit their 2h files. sorry for the inconvenience, but as this may be one of my last turns in the game, I would like to go out fighting. Thanks all!

[Frozen Lama]

it gave an error to everyone. we should probably just rollback and immediatly rehost and everyone's .2h files should be saved.

[Fakeymcfake]

Yeah we all staled on this one. I can rollback, you guys grab the old turn, redo the turn, and we should be fine.

DO NOT resubmit your last turn, that will result in the same error and be a waste of our time. You have to do the turn all over again.

Alternatively we could just go on as everyone staled. Just consider it a random event. Anyhow, I'll check back tomorrow to see what people prefer.

[Frozen Lama]

I'm personally good either way i guess.

[Alpine Joe]

If everyone staled im fine either way as well.

[Ferrosol]

If everyone staled im fine either way as well.

same

[Fakeymcfake]

Alright so lets just carry on with the current turn.

[Fakeymcfake]

Alright. At the moment I've hit the point where the war is pretty much unwinable and unfortunately my life just got a lot busier so I can't play it out until it's conclusion.

So, I'm going to go AI and whomever wants to pick up as admin can PM me.

[Frozen Lama]

Wait, at least let us look for a sub or something. going AI is the worst thing you can do to a game. just give me the admin pass and i will try and find a sub ok?

you can't just say "hey guys sorry, but i'm going to screw the game over and give my entire empire away for free."

[Fakeymcfake]

Well not for free, it'll take good number of turns for him to take me down, and quite honestly I can't beat him at this point or really string together a decent defense with the time I have or the resources. It's not worth finding a sub over and it would be unfair to.

And it won't screw over the game, you guys still have ample opprotunity to take some of my land if you act fast enough as most of his forces are arrayed elsewhere.

Edit: It's a moot point now anyhow, as I just checked and the game hosted. Seriously, my position was one where I felt entirely uncomfortable getting a sub as it is a losing battle. Normally I would have played it out until the end but with my studies the way they are I had to cut some things out and this game in particular was requiring far too much micromanagement. If you think I'm a jerk for doing as I've done, sorry you feel that way but honestly the game will proceed fine and you all have a more than ample chance at winning.

[Frozen Lama]

Well first off, i will take over admin in your absence.

second, Gath has armies set to take your provinces, and thus can take them much faster than anyone else, and doubling their gem income in the process. sure i can steal a few, but neither me nor ryleh really can compete in the land grab.

I guess i can see if you really don't have time to play, but it would have been nice if we had gotten a warning that you'd be going AI.

I think its also frustrating for me because i've been fighting a Mictlan that has fought to the absolute last and never given an inch, and now Gath gets a freebie.

but i guess i was just pissed yesterday, but now i guess i'm ok with it. hopefully it won't unbalance the game too much.

[Ferrosol]

Well first off, i will take over admin in your absence.

second, Gath has armies set to take your provinces, and thus can take them much faster than anyone else, and doubling their gem income in the process. sure i can steal a few, but neither me nor ryleh really can compete in the land grab.

I guess i can see if you really don't have time to play, but it would have been nice if we had gotten a warning that you'd be going AI.

I think its also frustrating for me because i've been fighting a Mictlan that has fought to the absolute last and never given an inch, and now Gath gets a freebie.

but i guess i was just pissed yesterday, but now i guess i'm ok with it. hopefully it won't unbalance the game too much.

True in theory but you missed one important point about my ability to take over Marignon. My stunning incompetence :)

[Ferrosol]

Would it be possible to delay the current turn for 24 hours?

[Frozen Lama]

done

[Frozen Lama]

ok, i got to ask- What's up with Mari shooting up in provs? is it just the whole dividing up armies 50 times and swarming PD? i think since there is only three of us left, we should start writing little AARs

[Frozen Lama]

you guys know that if you need a delay, i will give it? no reason to be staling

[Frozen Lama]

I guess this is only really directed at you pelthin, but just so you know, i will be delaying the next turn until at least Ferrosol posts or sends in a turn. we both benefit hugely from gath's stales, but i want this game to end legitimatly.

[Frozen Lama]

Well Ferrosol apparently has too many RL things going on. this game would be a nightmare to find a sub for. ( i will pm you this as well pelthin) So i have a question for you. We can A) try and find a sub. B) you and me can just say ok, lets kill each other for a few turns and see who wins, or C) You could concede to me. I only put option C there because at this point, i have almost double your provs, a much larger gem income, and a huge army that can actually kill things. Mictlan will be dead soon, and then my entire nation can focus on you. I know that Ryleh has a ton of clams, but i suspect i have at least as many more bloodstones, which makes it up a little, and i have several bonus sites which give me a huge edge.

I leave it up to you.

[Frozen Lama]

(lol post #6 in a row)

To anyone who is interested- Pelthin has conceeded to Utgard.