Noobiewars. Game for noobs [started]

[ketonur]

THE GAME: Noobiewars


Setups:


Middle Age Game

Server: Llamaserver

Map: risingsun
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=39855
(download from 3rd post)
131 land + 9 sea.

Mod: Conceptual Balance Mod v1.41
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=668379

8 players

Turns: 24h + quickhost (turn will roll as soon as everyone sent them)

Starting provinces: 3

Renaming of units is allowed

Statistics graphs are disabled

Hall of fame: 15

Rest: Default



The game is for noobs only!

Its my 2nd MP game and 1st that i'm hosting so any suggestions (map changin, victory conditions etc) are welcome :)
Sign in nations that you choose in this thread



Nations:
1.Abysia - ketonur
2.Pythium - jmb
3.Eriu - AI :(
4.Atlantis - Frozen Lama
5.Jothunteim - hEad
6.Pangea - mikh4il
7.C'tis - Alpine Joe
8.Ashdod - MaxEffect

And just to make sure everything will go allright :)

- Make sure you have the same mods enabled as the game you're playing in (Preferences->Mod Preferences) although only mods affecting pretender design, such as Conceptual Balance, actually matter
- Go to Game Tools -> Create a pretender god in Dominions. Don't set a password, since for PBEM games they're not helpful and occasionally annoying (e.g. if you need a sub)
- Go to the savedgames/newlords folder in the dominions directory, and find your pretender file (e.g. mid_pythium_0.2h)
- E-mail the file to: pretenders[ at ]llamaserver[ dot ]net
- Crucially, you must have the game name in the subject line of your e-mail


NAPs (Non Agressive Pacts)
Well i've made mistake in post #27.
Rules of the NAPs:

1.Players who sign NAP post it on the forum, for egsample: "NAP3 Mictlan-Marverni, turn 8"

2.NAP3 for egsample means that each of those players, who want to break the nap MUST inform his ally (Private message) and post it on the forum three turns before possible agression. For egsample (Mictlan break NAP3 Mictlan-Marverni, turn 26), so he can attack Marverni on turn 29.

3.Unofficial NAPs (which you dont post on forum) are permitted offcourse but You cant be sure if your ally won't cheat you.


Current NAPs:

NAP3 Yotunheim - Abysia on turn 8

[mikh4il]

cbm 1.41?

[Heinrich]

I am interested in joining this game with Ulm.

May I suggest (as Mikh4il did quickly) using the latest Conceptual Balance mod (1.41)?

[ketonur]

OK, no problem. Post link next time please. It will be easier for me :)

[Heinrich]

Here it is: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=668379

[jmb]

If I am still considered a noob after four MP defeats, I'd like to join as Pythium please.

[GrudgeBringer]

I sent you a PM regarding me but I post more than I play hence the higher rating.....

I would take Arco if its Early Era as its one of the weaker nations (kind of a handicap)

[ketonur]

As GrudgeBringer advice me i think that we should pick map with fixed starting places to prevent placing capitols near each other, what could happen if we pick map that i choose.
So anyone against map changin ? :)

GrudgeBringer -> i replied you PM, we are playin Middle Age :)

[Lavaere]

Think I can join in as Skaven. Want to try them in a MP game

[Alpine Joe]

I have yet to win a game, and I have never made it past mid game. If that qualifies me as a noob, then I'm in as Arga Dis, since you are allowing mod nations.

[mikh4il]

i dont rly like middle age so i wont go for this one,

but good luck for the pretenders ;)

[Redeyes]

I'll gladly join in as the underdog nation of Eriu.

I'm a dubious noob in that I have come out as a winner in two of my four games, yet I had lucky positions in those two and comparatively strong nations (to Eriu), still far less games under my belt than most of the people in this thread ;)

[ketonur]

I have yet to win a game, and I have never made it past mid game. If that qualifies me as a noob, then I'm in as Arga Dis, since you are allowing mod nations.

Well we are playin with cbm 1.41 only and i didnt find such nation in this mod

[Redeyes]

Skaven aren't in the CBM either (which doesn't add any nations).
If you want either, they would have to be added with mods.
Could be fun, surprises are always fun for someone. :smirk:

[Frozen Lama]

I know i shouldn't join another game, but i will.

I'll try Atlantis if we can be water nations.
otherwise i'll give Ashdod a try

[hEad]

Can I have Jotunheim please?

(been registered for a while but still yet to finish an MP game)

[ketonur]

I would like to use cbm 1.41 mod only.

As i wrote its game for noobs only so any mod give too much adventage to the player who is using it. Change your nations and you are welcome :)

[mikh4il]

made up my mind
it there is still some place, i ll go as pangea

[Frozen Lama]

judging by the origional post, it is ok for me to be Atlantis right?

[mikh4il]

water nation? :s

[Redeyes]

I think it is fine on a map with just 9 sea provinces, though it gives room for another player above water.

I think Grudgebringer wanted to sign up as Arcoscephale - I don't see him in the original post's player list.

[mikh4il]

he wanted to sign up as ea arco :(

[Frozen Lama]

yeah, i figured its ok to only have 1 water nation cause of the small sea. just want to try them out.

[Alpine Joe]

Alright if no mod nations then MA c'tis for me.

[GrudgeBringer]

I was wanting to play a EA game as Arco and try something new...

I didn't read the description well enough to see that it was MA.

[hEad]

Looks like a full house!

Would it be possible to have renaming on and Hall of fame set to 15?

[ketonur]

Ok, we have 8 players so i close recruiting.

My proposition is 14h turns for first 5 turns (if anybody is against it we will stay at 24h) then we will go for 24h. What do You think about it ?

I was thinking about map changin because of no fixed starting postions but i think that we could stay at current map

My last proposition are NAPs (Non Agressive Pacts). To avoid any further problems we can use them as follows:
Players who would like to sign such pact declare it on forum (write for how many turns they wont attack each other), for egsample:
'Arco and Ulm enter a Nap3 on turn 4'
then i will copy-paste it to the first post so nobody will break such agreement.
There will be secret pacts permitted also but you wont be sure if your temporaly ally wont break such agreement, and if it would happen betrayed player will not be allowed to have any charges against betrayer. This will help to keep good atmosphere at this topic :)

GrudgeBringer said that he will not play MA because he knows this era too much. Its a very nice from his side to give us noobs chances to play game on our experience level. I hope that our noob veterans (Redeyes with 2 games already won and Alpine Joe) are not too good because it will destroy fun of this game.

I give you 14h to post any further suggestions (map changin, hours per turn, non agressive pacts, etc) then i will start the game with such settings as i posted at 1st post.

Sorry for my english, hope its communicative, i have't use this language for years :/

[jmb]

Ok, we have 8 players so i close recruiting.

My proposition is 14h turns for first 5 turns (if anybody is against it we will stay at 24h) then we will go for 24h. What do You think about it ?

I'd rather stay at 24h turns from the start. I may not have the time to go faster during work days. Anyway, if you enable the quickhost mode, the turns will proceed as soon as everyone has submitted their turns, so we will automatically go faster than 24h if we can.

[ketonur]

Sure! So we stay at 24h

hEad -> changed, hope that nobody is against it :)

[simonlost]

I'd like to play. I have only ever played Rlyeh but I'd like to try something else. I see Atlantis is taken. But I'd be up to try anything.

[simonlost]

I saw the closed recruting too late sorry

[ketonur]

Ok i've create the game, everyone, who signed in please join. Password is CSS

And very noobie question - how to change thread name ? ;)

[Frozen Lama]

i'll have my pretender sent in in about 5 hours if thats ok. sorry to make you guys wait

edit: nvm, i got it in.

[Redeyes]

Just sent in my Pretender which makes it two left to go...

Noob veterans (Redeyes with 2 games already won and Alpine Joe) are not too good because it will destroy fun of this game.Oh, I hope not!
I think I, Alpine Joe and jmb, are at about the same level since the last game we played together.
At least I picked a nation I thought weak to handicap myself ;)

Worst come to worst, you'll have learnt something for your next game. I have probably learnt more from loosing battles than anything else but reading the guides here have helped too.

And very noobie question - how to change thread name ? ;) I think you can change it if you edit the first post in the thread, you should still be able to do so.

[Redeyes]

I saw that score graphs are off.
They are a rubber-band because they allow everyone to know if someone is very powerful.

I think games with graphs off are shorter because of that, and "strong" nations/players have gained the most in the games I have been in.

[Frozen Lama]

Personally, i'd prefer to have graphs on. it helps me get into the game more.

[ketonur]

Ok. Graphs are on, still waitin for Ulm (Heinrich)

[Frozen Lama]

anyone know what happened to Heinrich? I was hoping to get my first turn this weekend. maybe we should PM him?

[Frozen Lama]

Oh and one more thing: is the 1 province inland sea designated nostart? i was messing around in SP and Ryleh started in it, and i'd rather not have that happen.

[ketonur]

Frozen Llama -> I thought that land nations start at ground provinces by default. :(

[Frozen Lama]

? i'm Atlantis? therefore not a land nation.?.? ah whatever, i'll just hope i don't get really unlucky

[Heinrich]

Forgive me but I fear I won't be able to play this game.

[MaxEffect]

Hey,

I haven't been around much and only been in one game so I'm noob.
May I play as Ashdod?

[Lavaere]

oh well give me Shinuyama and you got your last player

[ketonur]

Ok. I see that Ashdod join our game, welcom aboard MaxEffect, sorry Lavaere - You were second. Good luck to everyone. Game started.

[mikh4il]

ashdod :s

how strong are the indies?

[Redeyes]

You can see it if you click "Options" -> View Game Settings (just above "Quit Without Saving").

I think they were strength 5, but I can't check right now.

Probably not strong enough to kill a gorgon (you're pangaea, afterall) ;)

[mikh4il]

kthx
maybe gorgon
maybe carrion woods
maybe ninja partying drunk satyrs from hell

[Frozen Lama]

does anyone know where redeyes went to? Eriu has staled twice now, and they will soon be crippled beyond repair i fear.

[mikh4il]

dont know, sent him a pm, no answer yet :s

[ketonur]

I've changed rules of the NAPs in 1st post. I've made mistake in post 27. Sory guys.
What should i do with Eriu? Change him to AI? How to do such thing?

[jmb]

What should i do with Eriu? Change him to AI? How to do such thing?

Since he now has staled for 4 turns in a row, I think that yes we should change him to AI. There's a howto on the game admin page explaining the procedure.

[mikh4il]

i propose to team up against ashdod, they are imba :p

srsly what will happen if one would come to break an official NAP?

[ketonur]

I think that no one would sign NAP with such guy in the future :D

[mikh4il]

Anyway NAP are meant to be broken :p

btw eriu definetly not anwering to my mp :s

[ketonur]

OK, Eriu is set to AI from now

And i would like to sign NAP agreement
NAP3 Jotunheim - Abysia on turn 8

[jmb]

I've just submitted my turn 10, but I won't be able to submit turn 11 on time. Would it be possible to delay hosting of turn 11 by a couple of hours please? Say until 21:00 GMT on Friday.

Thank you,

[Frozen Lama]

lol.. indy amber clan guard wielding a longbow of accuracy. doesn't shoot, but hey. :)

[ketonur]

I've just submitted my turn 10, but I won't be able to submit turn 11 on time. Would it be possible to delay hosting of turn 11 by a couple of hours please? Say until 21:00 GMT on Friday.

Thank you,

OK I will delay it

[Redeyes]

Hey all, I hadn't been able to do anything for the last week due to general computer malfunction, yet I'm pretty much back now and i would gladly like to go on... though it seems you set me to AI a couple of turns ago.

Perhaps we could rollback so I can get back in?
It's no fun missing out on the game because of outside factors ;)

[hEad]

All nations,

Ashdod's capital is in the top left corner at 126. They must be stopped before they spread through out the world. I call for a coalition against them and as such we put aside our differences until they are destroyed. They are agressively expanding in all directions with little regard for any prententions of honesty.

Their forces are still small and concentrated on the mountain range of 124 and 109. Any nation to their south if, were to attack them now, would find no opposition.

This is a real danger. Unless they are stopped now there is little hope for the future.

Join Jotunheim and stand against this terrible menace

[Frozen Lama]

Atlantis pledges all its aquatic might to the struggle against the menace that is Ashdod!! :p

[hEad]

Atlantis pledges all its aquatic might to the struggle against the menace that is Ashdod!! :p

Excellent! Jotunheim welcomes the brave Atlantian pledge. Perhaps they would be prepared to provide material to assist us? Gold and water gems would be most appreciated.

Who else will stand with us against the craven bully that is Ashdod?

[mikh4il]

Hi all, for professional reasons i wont be able to play til friday,

would it be possible to postpone next turn til friday?

[mikh4il]

again i have very few access to internet, can u delay the turn til friday pls!!!

[Frozen Lama]

I will be gone tomorrow thru Sunday.
since that would be a long delay, Trumanator will be subbing in for me. since nothing major is happening for me, this should be ok. just letting you guys know in case you need to PM him.

[hEad]

According to another game, it appears that kenotur has gone missing - so this might be a bit of a bugger for our game considering that the hosting hasn't returned to 24hr.

Oh well, lets just see what happens...

[Frozen Lama]

well if he doesn't show up, we can PM llamabeast and i believe he can get the admin password and give it to one of us. lets at least give him another day before we look for a sub/set him AI and PM llamabeast

[Frozen Lama]

well i'm glad to see Kentour appears to be back. i assume we're done with delays and we can get this game rolling?

[Frozen Lama]

nvm my previous post. i see its still a 124 hour timer. why?? did kentour like lose the ability to get on the forums? he hasn't been on for 4 days.

[hEad]

I've got on to llamabeast about changing host. Would anyone mind me taking over? need to get back on 24hr time pronto.

[Frozen Lama]

Go for it hEad. i'm really sick of this 124h buisness, and this is one of my most interesting games too, and its in danger of losing intrest

[hEad]

Ok, ive taken over the mantle from kentour. I've set host to 24hr. Still waiting on Ashdod and Pangaea. When their turns get in, I'll turn it over to get going.

Will start looking for a sub for Abysia

[Frozen Lama]

its really weird because Abysia sent in its turn last time....

[hEad]

You know, i just noticed that as well. Looked on the stall chart and Abyisa hasn't stalled in the last 3... what does this mean? tis a bit unusual...

ketonur, are you out there???? KETONURRRRRRRRRR!!!

[Frozen Lama]

force hosting now?

[hEad]

Fingers on the button... Seeing as he has poped up before, i'll give him till tonight (my time GMT+8). We need a sub as well then.

[Frozen Lama]

can that finger hit the button?

[hEad]

lol, Ok, just posted for a sub for Abysia. We'll have another turn and see what happens. If we can't get one, how soon should we AI them?

[hEad]

Doesn't look like we will get a sub for Abysia, If no one objects i'll look at AI'ing them next turn.

[mikh4il]

wont be able to play til tuesday, can u delay turn pls, alrdy staled once :s

[hEad]

Ok, next tues it is.

[hEad]

The game is back to 24hrs again. Hosting will go through at 10.00 Gmt so about 3 hours from now!

[jmb]

The game is back to 24hrs again. Hosting will go through at 10.00 Gmt so about 3 hours from now!

It would have been nice to have a little more advance warning... I didn't have much time yesterday but since it appeared that we were still on slow hosting I thought I could wait until today to get my turn in and now I find out that I've staled :(

[mikh4il]

same here, i find that out the morning @ work, it makes me too many stale and cant keep up now :s
i go ai or got to find a sub?

[Frozen Lama]

I was all for the 24h hosting, but if people can't make it, they need to speak up. I understand the last turn might have been sudden, but does anyone know where Ashdod went to? They were the most powerful nation in the game at one point, and now they've staled 3 times in a row.

I hope you guys keep playing becasue despite the stales, no one is running away with the game.

If 24h is just too fast, ask for an extention, or if it's always too long, we can go to 36 or 48 hour hosting, just make yourself heard please.

[hEad]

Game is rolled back to last turn.

[jmb]

If 24h is just too fast, ask for an extention, or if it's always too long, we can go to 36 or 48 hour hosting, just make yourself heard please.

I have no problem with 24h hosting, but I do have problems with 4h hosting, which is all the notice we got for last turn :rolleyes:. If we had been on a regular 24h deadline, I would have gotten my turn in on Tuesday, but since I didn't have much free time and it looked like I could wait, I thought I would just get it in on Wednesday, so that I could take the time to do it right instead of rushing it...

[jmb]

Game is rolled back to last turn.

Thanks, I just got my turn in :)

[hEad]

If 24h is just too fast, ask for an extention, or if it's always too long, we can go to 36 or 48 hour hosting, just make yourself heard please.

I have no problem with 24h hosting, but I do have problems with 4h hosting, which is all the notice we got for last turn :rolleyes:. If we had been on a regular 24h deadline, I would have gotten my turn in on Tuesday, but since I didn't have much free time and it looked like I could wait, I thought I would just get it in on Wednesday, so that I could take the time to do it right instead of rushing it...

It wasn't a 4 hr hosting - i forgot to switch the timer back after giving the extension till tuesday. It was actually at 26 hrs when I hit the process turn button....

Anyways you lot, there is no need to winge about being hard done by. I am quite prepared to roll back turns if required.

[Frozen Lama]

well since Ashdod is clearly dissapeared, lets set them AI eh? no reason to give you guys free provs.

and may as well force host whenever its just Ashdod left.

[hEad]

well since Ashdod is clearly dissapeared, lets set them AI eh? no reason to give you guys free provs.

and may as well force host whenever its just Ashdod left.

I need to get someone to else to set them AI. When i set Abysia AI, i was penalised by the game. It recieved 2 player turns from the same email and stiffed me with a stale.

The only problem with this AI business is that its me getting it from the comp. Aby who was my ally before is now chewing me up - setting Ashdod AI will mean the same. So while you fish types sit in the water laughing, I'm getting trashed by hoards of Aby troops.

I'll look into setting it AI... bah ;)

[Frozen Lama]

I'd simpathize with you, except no decent player can "get it" from a comp. I suspect annoyance is a better word, and you more than make up for it in free provs.

besides, me fish types get a whole 8 water provs!!! w00t!

[Frozen Lama]

To all Players:

hEad has asked me to take over as host, and would like to set himself AI, due to lack of intrest. I feel that with that many nations AI, there is too much to salvage this game. I have no intrest to killing AI's for the next 30+ turns. so i feel we must end this game prematurly, without a winner. I will wait 24 hours so people can comment, but in 24 hours, i plan on ending the game.

[mikh4il]

cant play today, possible to postpone to tmw??

thx

[Frozen Lama]

Silence........ if your ok with it, speak up anyway please??

4 hours or so i figure

[Alpine Joe]

Perhaps we should call it a game....although I really wanted to kill you with my hordes of ice drakes!

[Frozen Lama]

thanks for speaking up. i had some good counters for ice drakes ready but i had no point when i could just retreat and own AI's instead. ok i'll end it