Greek Army TO&E and OOB errors

[zaphod72]

There are quite a few errors in units and formations of the Greek army. I'm starting with the major units issues.

Greek army never had:
- M4A3 Sherman tanks (only the M32A1 ARV variant)
- M20 and V150 armored wheeled vehicles
- M7 Priest SP howitzers
- 81mm mortars under armor (M4A1, M125), instead of them each mechanized company use one APC (M113, Leonidas etc) to carry two 81mm mortars and their crew.

ERRORS:
- M-24 light tanks used in armored units (like the other medium tanks) and cav/recon units up until the late 80s. Many of their turrets are still in use on varius Greek islands in fortified positions.
- Greek army removed the AT-4 launcher from every BMP-1, because it was very unreliable.
- Only a few MOWAG vehicles used by Greek police during the 70s-80s.
- Mirage F1CG used only as an interceptor, and never in close support missions (with bombs).
- The first aircrafts in SEAD role are the F-16 Block 40 armed with AGM-88 missiles (during the early 90s). Greek air force never used Shrike and Martel.
- There are many guided bombs and air-to-surface missiles missing, like Paveway II, AGM-31 JDAM, Scalp EG etc.

UNITS MISSING:
- M3 Stuart: used during the 40s and 50s
- M3 White Scout Car: used during the 50s and 60s
- M18 Hellcat: used during the 50s in tank destroyer battalions
- Staghound, Humber Mk.IV and Daimler Dingo armored cars: used up until the early 60s in recon units and "gendarmerie".
- C-27J Spartan transport airplane (deployed in 2005)
- Steyr AAMG: trucks with quad .50 AA Machine Guns
- 3.7 inch mountain guns, 5.5 inch howitzers and 20mm Breda AA Guns (WW II weapons used during the 40s and early 50s)
- Many armored versions of HMMWV (such as M1097, M1118 etc) and VBLs in various roles, like FO vehicles, AT (Kornet, Milan) and GL carriers
- An armed version of the training aircraft T-2 Buckeye (with bombs and rockets) which is used in close support role.
- Newer F-16 Block 52+ with better EW capability and modern guided missiles.
- Special purpose vehicles, such as commando jeeps and ATVs
- 120mm mortars (replacing old 4.2 inch in infantry battalions since 2008).
- Many infantry units, such as Carl Gustav and LRAC teams, airmobile squads, special para units (ETA), national guard etc.

There are many more errors as far as weapons are concerned, but also most of the formations must change. Also, because the most probable conflict in Greek borders would employ naval units, there are many interesting vessels (like assault, patrol and missile boats) that could be included.
I' am trying to finish two corrected versions of obat31 (one with few mistakes but compatible with WinSPMBT ver.4.5 and one completely revised with new and corrected units, formations and even icons).

[DRG]

...... and when it's done I'll look at it and comments like "used during the 50s and 60s" will be far more useful than they are now

Don

[zaphod72]

Don,
Didn't mean any disrespect. The job done in the game is unbelievably great!
To find the real info about the Greek army is extremely difficult especially for the period between Greek Civil War (1946) and "Attila Operation" in Cyprus (1974). Being Greek doesn't mean that I have much more clue (my data have many contradictions).
I will update this thread with more accurate information as soon as possible.

[Wdll]

Don and Andy are very open to changes/corrections etc to OOBs as long as there are some proof/details. My interests are mainly in the navy so I am not that good with the greek oob (I mean in real life).
I would like to add one thing though. Due to a few reasons (doesn't matter for the game so I won't mention them), Greece has yet to receive any BMP-3s. Which is why I have stopped using them in games as of yesterday. I wish I knew when they would be available. Perhaps this year, perhaps next. No one knows yet.

[redcoat2]

zaphod72,

The Greeks may also have used the 75 mm pack howitzer (i.e. unit 530 in orbat12). The 1988 edition of Military Technology’s ‘World Defence Almanac’ claims that they had 108 in reserve in the late ‘80s. The British or Americans might have supplied them for use against communist insurgents after WW2.

The venerable 25 Pounder (unit 146) was also used slightly longer than in orbat31. It was in frontline service until at least 1988.

With regards to the Carl Gustav, the 2004-5 edition of ‘The Military Balance’ (IISS) claims that the Greeks had 2000 at that time.

[zaphod72]

Redcoat2,
From the beginning of Greek civil war the Brits were the main supplier of the Greek army until 1948-49 when the Americans took their place.
The first armor and recce units were formed with various armored vehicles, used by the British army during the war (Centaur A27L tank, Universal Carrier, Marmon Mk IVf, Humber Scout Car and Mk IV).
During the civil war, the Greek army also used four types of British made towed artillery.
- Pdr25 howitzer (remained in service until 1987)
- 5.5 inch howitzer (in service until 1955 when replaced by newly acquired M-144 155mm, but a few of them remained in reserve until 1990).
- 3.7 inch mountain howitzer (entered service in 1948 and went obsolete by 1955).
- 6pdr AT gun (in service until 1952, but also used in island fortifications until 2004).

The above information comes from the official "Military Review" magazine (Hellenic Army General Staff).

[zaphod72]

Wdll,
There is an official intergovernmental agreement on the delivery of 415 BMP-3M to Greece (signed last year), but it's still unknown the date of the first deliveries. I don't think that this will happen anytime before 2010. Also, probably it is better not to use the Kentaurus IFV, because the above agreement meant the cancellation of this project funding.

[redcoat2]

It looks like the guy who wrote the Greek section of the 1988 ‘World Defence Almanac’ did his research when the Pdr25 was still in service in 1987. From now on, I will assume the book is more accurate for '87 than '88. The availability date for unit 146 should still be updated - slightly.

If the Almanac is correct about the Greeks having 75 mm pack howitzers it may have been the Americans who supplied them.

[Wdll]

Wdll,
There is an official intergovernmental agreement on the delivery of 415 BMP-3M to Greece (signed last year), but it's still unknown the date of the first deliveries. I don't think that this will happen anytime before 2010. Also, probably it is better not to use the Kentaurus IFV, because the above agreement meant the cancellation of this project funding.


The little info I have on the matter talks about conflict of interest between a certain well known greek company, its relationship with german armaments and its influence in certain circles in Greece. I just hope this greek goverment finaly does something because for me they are the worst government of recent times (defense related) that makes Simitis' government look like ultra nationalist.

As for Kentaurus, I don't use it anyway, I don't know how good they would be in real life, but in the game they are a bit of jack of all trades but master of none. Not enough armor, not enough ammo, apart from the TI, they kinda suck, in game terms.
Plus of course what you said.

[zaphod72]

Redcoat2,
From the same magazine (Military Review, "Obsolete Howitzers of Greek Artillery"):
- 75mm M1/M116 Mountain Howitzer, acquired in 1945 and remained in service until 1955. Some of them were in reserve up until 1990. Now, they still use a few only for salute shots.

[redcoat2]

Redcoat2,
From the same magazine (Military Review, "Obsolete Howitzers of Greek Artillery"):
- 75mm M1/M116 Mountain Howitzer, acquired in 1945 and remained in service until 1955. Some of them were in reserve up until 1990. Now, they still use a few only for salute shots.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Greeks first got them from the Brit paras sent to Greece in 1945.

[zaphod72]

Greek Tanks (Early Years)

1946-1962: The British Centaur A-27L Mk VIII (with the 6 pdr gun) is the first tank which enters service with the Greek army. After a year, and the proper training of their crews, they were used against communist guerillas, in mixed armored cavalry regiments (tanks with armored cars). They remained in service until 1962 (replaced by M-47s).

1950 (Dec)-1990: Greek army receives 206 (in total) M-24s which remained in service until 1990. At the same year they formed the 392nd and 393rd Tank Regiments (55 tanks each). Some turrets were used in fortified positions in Greek islands (until 1993).

1952-1958: 127 M-18 Hellcats form the first Tank Destroyer Regiments (397th, 398th and 399th). After 1958 and until the early 70s, Hellcats were used as training tanks.

1957-1990: After receiving over 100 M-47s, Greek army forms the first two "modern" Tank Battalions (22nd and 23rd: 3 companies with 17 tanks each). M-47 remained in service until 1990 and three more years in reserve (1993).

1963 (July): M-48 enter service. Along with the newly acquired M-113, they form the XX Armor Brigade. At the same time, some of the M-47 serving with Armor Battalions moved to the Tank Destroyer Regiments

[Info: Greek Army General Staff, Avlona Tank Museum, "Ptisi" magazine, www.wargamer.gr]

[redcoat2]

With regards to early tanks, I think the Greeks may have received some M3 Stuarts from the British. I've found a definite official reference to 40 British Stuarts being delivered in 1950 and 1951. Some British Stuarts may also have been transferred during WW2 or during the post-war communist insurgency.

[zaphod72]

Yes, we did receive some M3 (probably from the 23rd Armored Brigade which sent to Greece in 1944). These Stuarts were used in 1948 by the XI Armored Recce Regiment.

[zaphod72]

I have gathered from SIPRI (Stockholm International Peace Research Institute) every information about transfers of weapons to Greece from 1950 to 2007.

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Transfers of major conventional weapons: sorted by supplier. Deals with deliveries or orders made for year range 1950 to 2007

Note: The ‘No. delivered/produced’ and the ‘Year(s) of deliveries’ columns refer to all deliveries since the beginning of the contract. Deals in which the recipient was involved in the production of the weapon system are listed separately. The ‘Comments’ column includes publicly reported information on the value of the deal. Information on the sources and methods used in the collection of the data, and explanations of the conventions, abbreviations and acronyms, can be found at URL <http://armstrade.sipri.org/>. The SIPRI Arms Transfers Database is continuously updated as new information becomes available.
Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database
Information generated: 22 September 2008


Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments


Austria

L: Greece 100 4K-7FA-G-127 APC 1981 1982-1984 (100) Greek designation Leonidas-1
(344) 4K-7FA-G-127 APC 1987 1988-1994 (344) Greek designation Leonidas-2

Brazil
R: Greece 4 EMB-145AEW&C AEW&C aircraft 1999 Part of $476-676 m deal (incl PS-890 Erieye radar fitted in Sweden); EMB-145H version; delivery 2008

Canada
R: Greece 104 F-86F Sabre Fighter aircraft (1953) 1954-1955 (104) Ex-Canadian; CL-13 Sabre-2/4 versions
(9) T-33A T-Bird Trainer aircraft (1954) 1955 9
(22) T-33A T-Bird Trainer aircraft (1957) 1958-1959 (22)
2 SQS-505 Sonar 1980 1981-1982 2 For 2 Kortenaer frigates from Netherlands
2 CL-415MP MP aircraft 1999 2004-2005 2 Part of $380 m deal; CL-415GR CSAR version; 8 more CL-415GR version delivered for fire-fighting
45 PT-6 Turboprop 1999 2000-2003 (45) For 45 PC-9 (T-6A-1/T-6B) trainer aircraft from USA; PT-6A-62 version

Denmark

L: 2 Osprey-55 Patrol craft 1988 1990 2 Greek designation Armatolos
2 Osprey-55 FAC(M) 1990 1993-1994 2 Greek designation Pyrpolitis or Hellenic-56
4 Osprey-55 FAC(M) 1999 2003-2004 (4) $208 m deal; Greek designation Pyrpolitis or Hellenic-56

Finland
R: Greece 8 WN-16V25 Diesel engine (SH) (1999) 2003-2004 8 For 4 Machitas FAC produced in Greece

France
R: Greece 8 SA-313B Alouette-2 Light helicopter 1966 1967 8 Deal worth $0.87 m; SA-318C version
4 Combattante-2 FAC(M) 1969 1971-1972 4 Greek designation Navsithoi; planned production of 6 more in Greece cancelled in favour of Combattante-3
26 MM-38 Exocet Anti-ship missile 1969 1972 26 $2.2 m deal; for Combattante-2 (Navsithoi) FAC
(55) AMX-30B Tank 1970 1971 (55) Deal worth $33 m
50 MM-38 Exocet Anti-ship missile (1971) 1972 50 For Combattante-2 (Navsithoi) FAC
(105) AMX-10P IFV (1974) 1976-1977 (105) Incl some AMX-10PC CP and AMX-10SAn ambulance version
(130) AMX-30B Tank 1974 1976-1978 (130) Deal worth $75 m
14 AMX-30D ARV (1974) 1976-1978 (14)
4 Combattante-3 FAC(M) 1974 1977-1978 4 Greek designation Laskos
(2900) MILAN Anti-tank missile 1974 1977-1983 (2900) Deal incl also some 300 launchers
40 Mirage F-1C Fighter aircraft 1974 1975-1978 40
(240) R-550 Magic-1 SRAAM 1974 1975-1978 (240) For Mirage F-1C combat aircraft
(32) AS-12 ASM (1975) 1975 (32) For SA-319 helicopters
1 SA-316B Alouette-3 Light helicopter (1976) 1980 1
40 Mirage-2000 FGA aircraft 1985 1988-1992 40 Mirage-2000EG version; incl 4 Mirage-2000BG
(360) R-550 Magic-2 SRAAM 1986 1988-1992 (360) For Mirage-2000EG combat aircraft
(2) Stentor Ground surv radar (1987) 1988 (2)
2 F-406 Caravan-2 Light transport ac (1988) 1989 2 For target-towing
2 Exocet CDS Coast defence system 1991 1993-1994 (2)
(36) MM-40 Exocet Anti-ship missile 1991 1993-1994 (36) For Exocet coast defence systems
(175) Super-530D BVRAAM (1994) 1995-1997 (175) For Mirage-2000EG combat aircraft
(50) AM-39 Exocet Anti-ship missile (1997) 1998-2003 (50) For Mirage-2000EG-SG3 (modernized Mirage-2000EG) combat aircraft
28 VBL Reconnaissance veh 1997 1997-1999 28 Incl for use with Greek peace-keeping forces in Albania
2770 MILAN Anti-tank missile 1998 1999-2001 2770 Designation uncertain
11 Crotale-NG SAM system 1999 1999-2001 (11) Deal worth $266 m (incl offsets) incl VT-1 missiles; probably incl 4 ex-French
(74) VBL Reconnaissance veh 1999 1999-2001 74
4 AS-532 Cougar/AS-332 Helicopter 2000 2003-2004 (4) $90 m deal (offsets 100%); AS-532A2 CSAR version
(100) MICA BVRAAM 2000 2003-2004 (100) Part of $1.4 b deal; MICA-EM version
27 MM-40 Exocet Anti-ship missile 2000 2004-2005 (27) $55 m deal (offsets 160%); for Super Vita (Rousen) FAC; MM-40 Block-2 version
(22) Storm Shadow/SCALP ASM 2001 2004 (22) Part of deal worth $1.4 b; SCALP-EG version
(8) Sperwer UAV 2002 2004-2006 (8) Part of EUR36 m ($35 m) deal for 2 Sperwer UAV systems
(70) VBL Reconnaissance veh (2002) 2005-2006 (70)
70 VBL Reconnaissance veh (2002) 2002 70
2 AS-532 Cougar/AS-332 Helicopter 2003 AS-532A2 CSAR version
(100) MICA BVRAAM 2003 2006 (100) Possibly MICA-IR version
(24) MM-40 Exocet Anti-ship missile (2003) 2007 (12) For Super Vita (Rousen) FAC; MM-40 Block-2 version
(34) Storm Shadow/SCALP ASM 2004 2007 (34)
(8) Sperwer UAV 2006 2007 (4) Part of 2 Sperwer UAV systems

L: 6 Combattante-3 FAC(M) 1978 1980-1981 6 Greek designation Kavaloudis
25 Mirage-2000-5 FGA aircraft 2000 2007 (25) Part of EUR1.6 b deal; Mirage-2000-5 Mk-2 version; incl 10 Greek Mirage-2000EG rebuilt to Mirage-2000-5 Mk-2 (in Greece); option on 8 more

Germany (FRG)
R: Greece 1 Cohoes Netlayer (1958) 1960 1 Financed by US 'MDAP Offshore Procurement Programme' aid; Greek designation Thetis Class
69 F-84F Thunderstreak FGA aircraft (1963) 1964 69 Ex-FRG; aid
(2500) Cobra Anti-tank missile (1965) 1967 (2500) Financed by NATO; Cobra-1600 version
6 RF-84F Thunderflash Reconnaissance ac (1966) 1967 6 Ex-FRG; aid
1 Brave FAC(T) 1967 1967 1 Ex-FRG; Greek designation Astrapi Class; modernized in UK before delivery
1 Ferocity FAC(T) 1967 1967 1 Ex-FRG; Greek designation Aiolos Class; modernized in UK before delivery
(12) M-44A1 155mm Self-propelled gun (1967) 1968-1970 (12) Ex-FRG; aid
(12) M-52A1 105mm Self-propelled gun (1967) 1968-1970 (12) Ex-FRG; aid
(50) SUT 533mm AS/ASW torpedo (1967) 1969-1970 (50) For Type-209 (Glavkos) submarines
4 Type-209/1100 Submarine 1967 1971-1972 4 Greek designation Glavkos
5 Silbermöwe FAC(T) 1968 1968 5 Ex-FRG; Greek designation Delphin
(51) Noratlas N-2501 Transport aircraft (1969) 1970 51 Ex-FRG
(50) SST-4 AS torpedo (1969) 1971-1972 (50) For Combattante-2 (Navsithoi) FAC and Type-209 (Glavkos) submarines
40 MTU-538 Diesel engine (SH) (1974) 1977-1981 40 For 10 Combattante-3 (Laskos) FAC from France
(150) SST-4 AS torpedo (1974) 1975-1978 (150) For Combattante-3 (Laskos and Kavaloudis) and Jaguar (Hesperos) FAC and Type-209 (Glavkos) submarines
1 Rhein/Type-401 Support ship 1975 1976 1 Ex-FRG; Greek designation Aegeon Class
(50) SUT 533mm AS/ASW torpedo (1975) 1977-1978 (50) For Type-209 (Glavkos) submarines
33 T-33A T-Bird Trainer aircraft (1975) 1975-1977 (33) Ex-FRG; aid
4 Type-209/1200 Submarine 1975 1979-1980 4 Greek designation Glavkos
1 Amalthee Cargo ship 1976 1976 1 Ex-FRG; Greek designation Evros
7 Jaguar/Type-140 FAC(T) 1976 1976-1977 7 Ex-FRG; modernized before delivery; Greek designation Hesperos Class; 2 more delivered for spares only
2 Fletcher Destroyer (1979) 1980-1981 2 Ex-FRG; 2 more for spares only
101 M-42A1 Duster AAV(G) 1979 1980-1981 101 Ex-FRG
(18) F-104G Starfighter FGA aircraft (1980) 1981 (18) Ex-FRG; aid
4 Bergepanzer-1 ARV 1981 1983-1984 (4) DM300 m deal incl 106 Leopard-1A3 tanks; option on 4 more not used
106 Leopard-1A3/4 Tank 1981 1983-1984 (106) Part of DM300 m deal; option on 101 more not used
13 F-104G Starfighter FGA aircraft (1984) 1984 13 Ex-FRG; aid; TF-104G version
15 Do-28D-2 Skyservant Light transport ac (1985) 1985 15 Ex-FRG; aid
(10) F-104G Starfighter FGA aircraft (1985) 1985 (10) Ex-FRG; aid
34 MILAN Anti-tank missile 1986 1986 34
5 TRS-3220 Pollux Fire control radar (1986) 1994-2000 (5) For 5 Jason landing ships produced in Greece; probably ex-FRG; modernized before delivery
4 DR-172 Air surv radar 1988 1989-1990 (4) $11.7 m deal; financed by NATO
28 F-104G Starfighter FGA aircraft 1988 1988 (28) Ex-FRG; part of 'Rstungssonderhilfe' aid programme
4 MTU-1163 Diesel engine (SH) (1988) 1990 4 For 2 Osprey-55 (Armatolos) FAC from Denmark
10 M-48 AVLB ABL (1989) 1991 (10) Ex-FRG; aid
25 M-88A1 ARV (1989) 1991 (25) Ex-FRG; aid
5 Thetis/Type-410 Corvette 1989 1991-1993 5 Ex-FRG; Greek designation Niki
2 Type-520 Landing craft 1989 1989 2 Ex-FRG; Greek designation Naxos Class
12 F-104G Starfighter FGA aircraft (1990) 1990 (12) Ex-FRG; aid
88 M-110A2 203mm Self-propelled gun (1990) 1994 88 Ex-FRG; aid
11 Type-521 Landing craft (1990) 1991 11 Ex-FRG; Greek designation Serafos Class
11500 9M111/AT-4 Spigot Anti-tank missile (1991) 1993-1994 (11500) Former GDR equipment
501 BMP-1 IFV 1991 1992-1994 501 Former GDR equipment; part of 'Materialhilfe' aid programme worth $605 m
3 BTR-60P APC 1991 1992 (3) Former GDR equipment; BTR-60PU-12 CP version for use with SA-8b SAMS; aid
75 Leopard-1A1 Tank (1991) 1993-1994 75 Ex-FRG; 'CFE Cascade' aid; part of 'Rstungssonderhilfe' aid; modernized to Leopard-1A5GR before delivery
(1) Long Track Air surv radar 1991 1992 (1) Former GDR equipment; for use with SA-8B SAM systems; aid
1 Lüneburg/Type-701 Support ship 1991 1991 1 Ex-FRG; Greek designation Axios Class
200 M-113 APC (1991) 1994 200 Ex-FRG; M-113A1 version; 'CFE Cascade' aid
1 MT-LB APC 1991 1992 1 Former GDR equipment
(1) P-15/Flat Face-A Air surv radar 1991 1992 (1) Former GDR equipment; for use with SA-8B SAM systems; aid
(1) PRV-9/Thin Skin Height-finding radar 1991 1992 (1) Former GDR equipment; for use with SA-8b AAV(M)s; aid
20 RF-4E Phantom-2 Reconnaissance ac 1991 1992-1994 (20) Ex-FRG; aid; 7 more for spares only
(158) RM-70 122mm MRL 1991 1994 (158) Former GDR equipment; part of $605 m'Materialhilfe' aid programme; possibly incl up to 48 for spares only
120 ZSU-23-4 Shilka AAV(G) 1991 1994-1995 (120) Former GDR equipment; part of 'Materialhilfe' aid programme worth $605 m
12 9K33 Osa/SA-8 Mobile SAM system 1992 1994 12 Former GDR equipment; aid
924 9M33/SA-8 Gecko SAM 1992 1994 (924) Former GDR equipment
4 Type-520 Landing craft 1992 1992 4 Ex-FRG; 2 more for spares only; Greek designation Naxos Class
2 Combattante-2 FAC(M) 1993 1993 2 Ex-FRG Type-148 or Tiger; Greek designation Ipopliarhos Votsis
1 Lüneburg/Type-701 Support ship 1994 1994 1 Ex-FRG; Greek designation Axios Class
100 M-113 APC (1994) 1995 100 Ex-FRG; M-113A1 version; aid
2 Combattante-2 FAC(M) 1995 1995 2 Ex-FRG Type-148 or Tiger; aid; Greek designation Ipopliarhos Votsis
35 AN/APG-65 Aircraft radar 1997 2003-2005 (35) Part of $315-336 m 'Peace Icarus-2000' modernization programme of 35 F-4E combat aircraft
(170) Leopard-1A5 Tank 1997 1998-2000 (170) Ex-FRG; offsets for Greek order for modernization of F-4E combat aircraft in FRG
(13) M-113 APC (1997) 1998 13 Ex-FRG; M-113A1 version
50 M-109A5 155mm Self-propelled gun (1999) 2000 50 Ex-FRG; M-109GEA version
2 Combattante-2 FAC(M) 2000 2000 2 Ex-FRG; part of deal for 3 Type-214 submarines
12 MTU-595 Diesel engine (SH) 2000 2004-2005 12 For 3 Super Vita (Roussen) FAC from UK; MTU-16V-595 version
20 BOR-A550 Air surv radar (2001) 2002-2003 (20)
24 PzH-2000 155mm Self-propelled gun 2001 2003-2004 (24) Part of $164-228 m deal (offsets 120% and 114 ex-FRG M-109 guns); PzH-2000GR version; option on 12 more
28 PzH-2000 ALV ALV 2001 2003-2004 (28) Part of deal worth $164-228 m (offsets 120% and 114 ex-FRG M-109 guns); incl 24 ammunition carrier and 4 ammunition loader version
3 PEM AIP engine 2002 For 3 Type-209 submarines; delivery 2007-2012
82 Leopard-1A5 Tank 2003 2003 82 Ex-FRG; offsets for order for 170 Leopard-2A6 tanks
114 M-109A5 155mm Self-propelled gun 2003 2004 (114) Ex-FRG; M-109A3GEA version; offsets for Greek order for 24 PzH-2000 self-propelled guns
8 MTU-595 Diesel engine (SH) 2003 2007 4 For 2 Super Vita (Rousen) FAC from UK; MTU-16V-595 version
(100) RIM-116A RAM SAM (2003) 2004-2005 (100) Part of $25 m deal; for Super Vita (Rousen) FAC
(70) RIM-116A RAM SAM (2003) 2007 (35) For Super Vita (Roussen) FAC
(4) Bergepanzer-1 ARV 2005 2006 (4) Ex-FRG; part of EUR270 m ($333 m) deal
10 BrPz-1 Biber ABL 2005 2006 (10) Ex-FRG; part of EUR270 m ($333 m) deal
150 Leopard-1A5 Tank 2005 2006-2007 (150) Ex-FRG; gift as part of order for new and ex-FRG Leopard-2 tanks
183 Leopard-2A4 Tank 2005 2005-2007 183 Ex-FRG; part of EUR420 m deal (Incl EUR150 m for modernization of 130 in FRG and 53 in Greece)

L: 4 MEKO-200 Frigate 1988 1992-1998 4 $1.2 b deal (offsets $250 m; partly financed by FRG 'Rstungssonderhilfe' aid programme and USA); MEKO-200 Mod-3HN version; 3 assembled/produced in Greece; Greek designation Hydra
3 Type-214 Submarine 2000 2007 1 $0.9-1.3 b deal (offsets 115% incl setting up of submarine production in Greece and $224 m for production of components and assembly of 2 in Greece); Greek designation Katsonis; delivery 2006-2009
1 Type-214 Submarine 2002 Part of EUR700 m deal (incl modernization of 3 Type-209 submarines); delivery 2010
12 Buffel ARV 2003 2006-2007 (8) Part of EUR1.7 b deal (offsets incl 40% in production of components in Greece); Buffel-2 version; delivery 2006-2009
170 Leopard-2A5+ Tank 2003 2006-2007 (65) Part of EUR1.7 b deal (offsets incl 40% in production of components and assembly of 140 in Greece); Leopard-2HEL (Leopard-2A6EX) version; delivery 2006-2009
(350) IRIS-T SRAAM (2004) Greece funds 8% of IRIS-T programme incl production of components in Greece; option on 100 more

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[zaphod72]

Iran
R: Greece 10 F-5A Freedom Fighter FGA aircraft (1974) 1975 10 Ex-Iranian; incl 2 RF-5A reconnaissance version

Israel
R: Greece (15) Litening Aircraft El/Op system (2000) 2004-2005 (15) For F-4E combat aircraft; Litening II version

L: 3 Saar-4 Patrol craft 2002 2003-2004 3 $102 m deal; 1 produced in Greece; for coast guard; Greek designation Fournoi

Italy
R: Greece 1 D'Aosta Cruiser 1947 1951 1 Ex-Italian; war reparation; Greek designation Helle
(18) Model-56 105mm Towed gun (1965) 1966 (18)
25 Bell-205/UH-1D Helicopter (1967) 1969-1970 (25) AB-205 version
(20) Bell-204/UH-1B Helicopter (1971) 1973 (20) AB-204B version
20 Compact 76mm Naval gun 1974 1977-1981 20 For 10 Combattante-3 (Laskos) FAC from France
(15) Bell-205/UH-1H Helicopter (1975) 1975 (15) AB-205A version
35 Bell-205/UH-1H Helicopter (1977) 1978-1979 (35) AB-205A version
(5) Bell-212/AB-212ASW ASW helicopter 1978 1979 5
(72) Aspide Mk-1 BVRAAM 1980 1981-1982 (72) For Kortenaer (Elli) frigates
10 CH-47C Chinook Helicopter 1980 1981-1983 (10)
4 Compact 76mm Naval gun 1980 1981-1982 4 For 2 Kortenear frigates from Netherlands
(9) Bell-212/AB-212ASW ASW helicopter (1982) 1984 (9) Incl 2 or 3 EW version
(20) Skyguard SAM system 1983 1984-1986 (20) Part of $98 m deal; Greek designation Velos
(24) A-244 324mm ASW torpedo (1985) 1987-1988 (24) For AB-212ASW helicopters
20 Hughes-300/TH-55 Light helicopter (1985) 1985-1986 (20) $3 m deal; for training; NH-300C version
2 RTN-10X Orion Fire control radar (1987) 1987-1988 2 For modernization of 2 Gearing destroyers
2 Adjutant Minesweeper 1995 1995 2 Ex-Italian; Greek designation Erato
5 Super Rapid 76mm Naval gun 2000 2005-2007 4 For 5 Super Vita (Roussen) FAC from UK
1 RAT-31DL Air surv radar (2002) 2005 1 Part 'NATO ACCS' programme; for 'NADGE' air surveillance network; RAT-31DL version
(6) X-TAR Surveillance radar (2003) 2007 (6) For use with Skyguard (Velos) SAM system

L: 1 Etna Support ship 1999 2003 1 $128 m deal; Greek designation Prometheus
12 C-27J Spartan Transport aircraft 2003 2005-2007 (9) EUR297 m deal (offsets 360% incl production of components in Greece)

Jordan
R: Greece 15 F-5A Freedom Fighter FGA aircraft 1983 1983 15 Ex-Jordanian; incl 2 F-5B version
10 T-37B Trainer aircraft 1988 1988 10 Ex-Jordanian
4 F-5A Freedom Fighter FGA aircraft 1989 1989 4 Ex-Jordanian; F-5B version

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L: 20 NH-90 TTH Helicopter 2003 EUR657 m deal (offsets 120% incl production of components in Greece); bought from France, FRG and Italy; option on 14 more

Netherlands
R: Greece 6 F-84F Thunderstreak FGA aircraft (1969) 1971 6 Ex-Dutch; aid
13 T-33A T-Bird Trainer aircraft (1971) 1972 13 Ex-Dutch; aid; incl 1 RT-33A reconnaissance version
1 Kortenaer/S Frigate 1980 1981 1 Originally ordered by Netherlands, but bought by Greece while being produced; Greek designation Elli
1 Kortenaer/S Frigate 1981 1982 1 Originally ordered by Netherlands, but bought by Greece while being produced; Greek designation Elli
10 F-104G Starfighter FGA aircraft (1982) 1982 10 Ex-Dutch; aid
4 DA-08 Air surv radar (1989) 1992-1998 (4) For 4 MEKO-200HN (Hydra) frigates from FRG
4 MW-08 Air surv radar (1989) 1992-1998 (4) For 4 MEKO-200HN (Hydra) frigates from FRG
8 STIR Fire control radar 1989 1992-1998 (8) For 4 MEKO-200HN (Hydra) frigates; incl for use with Seasparrow SAM
172 Leopard-1V Tank 1991 1992-1993 172 Ex-Dutch; 'CFE Cascade' programme
53 M-106 Self-propelled mortar 1991 1992 53 Ex-Dutch; part of $2.8 m deal; M-106A1 version
177 M-113 APC 1991 1994-1995 (177) Ex-Dutch; part of $2.8 m deal; M-113A1 version
171 M-30 107mm Mortar (1991) 1992 171 Ex-Dutch; 'CFE Cascade' programme
3 MW-08 Air surv radar 1991 1993-1995 (3) For coastal surveillance
11 NF-5A FGA aircraft 1991 1991 11 Ex-Dutch; incl some NF-5B version; aid
3 Kortenaer/S Frigate 1992 1993-1995 3 Ex-Dutch; HFL375 m ($211 m deal); Greek designation Elli
1 Kortenaer/S Frigate 1997 1997 1 Ex-Dutch; $50 m deal; Greek designation Elli
30 Leopard-1V Tank 1998 1998 (30) Ex-Dutch
(4) LIROD Fire control radar 2000 2003-2005 (4) For 4 Osprey-55 (Pyrpolitis) FAC from Denmark
15 MIRADOR Air surv system 2000 2004-2007 (8) For 5 Super Vita (Roussen) FAC from UK and for modernization of 6 Kortenaer (Elli) frigates and 4 Combattante-3 (Laskos) FAC
3 MW-08 Air surv radar 2000 2005-2006 3 For 3 Super Vita (Rousen) FAC from UK
3 Scout Sea surv radar 2000 2005-2006 3 For 3 Super Vita (Rousen) FAC from UK; Scout Mk-2 version
3 STING Fire control radar 2000 2005-2006 3 For 3 Super Vita (Rousen) FAC from UK
(16) Variant Air/sea surv radar 2000 2003-2007 (13) For 5 Super Vita (Rousen) FAC from UK, 4 Osprey-55 (Pyrpolitis) FAC from Denmark, 3 Saar-4 patrol craft from Israel and modernization of 4 Combattante-3 (Laskos) FAC
10 Bergepanzer-1 ARV 2001 2001 10 Ex-Dutch; $6 m deal; modernized in Germany before delivery
1 Kortenaer/S Frigate 2001 2001 1 Ex-Dutch; $37 m deal; Greek designation Elli
1 Kortenaer/S Frigate 2002 2002 1 Ex-Dutch; $34 m deal; Greek designation Elli
2 Kortenaer/S Frigate 2002 2003 2 Ex-Dutch; $55 m deal; Greek designation Elli
8 PiPz-1 AEV 2002 2002 8 Ex-Dutch
2 MW-08 Air surv radar 2003 2007 1 For 2 Super Vita (Roussen) FAC from UK
6 Scout Sea surv radar 2003 2006 2 Scout Mk-2 version; part of $353 m deal for modernization of 6 Kortenaer (Elli) frigates
6 Scout Sea surv radar 2003 2007 1 For 2 Super Vita (Roussen) FAC from UK and modernization of 4 Combattante-3 (Laskos) FAC; Scout Mk-2 version
6 STING Fire control radar 2003 2007 1 For 2 Super Vita (Roussen) FAC from UK and modernization of 4 Combattante-3 (Laskos) FAC

Norway
R: Greece 6 Tjeld FAC(T) 1965 1967 6 Greek designation Andromeda
(8) HU-16B Albatross MP/transport ac (1968) 1969 (8) Ex-Norwegian
(75) Penguin-2 Anti-ship missile (1976) 1980-1981 (75) For Combattante-3 (Kavaloudis) FAC
(9) F-5A Freedom Fighter FGA aircraft 1984 1986 9 Ex-Norwegian; aid
(20) Penguin-2 Anti-ship missile 1993 1994-1995 (20) $21 m deal; Penguin-2 Mod-7 version; for S-70B/SH-60B helicopters
25 Penguin-2 Anti-ship missile 1996 1997 (25) Penguin-2 Mod-7 version; for S-70B/SH-60B helicopters

Russia
R: Greece (175) 5V55R/SA-10C Grumble SAM 1997 1999 (175) Part of $218 m or $420 m deal
(16) 9K33 Osa/SA-8 Mobile SAM system 1998 1998 (16) Ex-Russian; option on 4 more
(413) 9M33/SA-8 Gecko SAM 1998 1998 (413)
(16) BTR-60P APC 1998 1998 (16) BTR-60PU-12 CP version for use with SA-8b AAV(M)s
(16) PRV-9/Thin Skin Height-finding radar 1998 1998 (16) For use with SA-8B SAM systems; designation uncertain
2 S-300PMU-1/SA-10D SAM system (1998) 1999 2 $218 m or $420 m deal; originally ordered by Cyprus but after international pressure based in Greece (on Crete) under Greek control and exchanged for 6 Tor (SA-15) SAM systems bought by Greece from Russia for Cyprus
(255) 9M338/SA-15 Gauntlet SAM 1999 1999-2000 (255) For Tor-M1 SAM systems
15 Tor-M1/SA-15 Mobile SAM system 1999 1999-2000 (15) $519-560 m deal (offsets 15-20% or 100%); original order for 21, but 6 diverted from Greece to Cyprus as compensation for Cypriot SA-10 SAM system stationed in Greece
(170) 9M338/SA-15 Gauntlet SAM (2000) 2000-2002 (170) For Tor-M1 SAM systems
1 Pomornik/Type-1232.2 ACV/landing craft 2000 2000 1 Ex-Russian; part of $102 m deal; modernized before delivery; Greek designation Kefallinia
1 Pomornik/Type-1232.2 ACV/landing craft 2000 2001 1 Part of $102 m deal; Greek designation Kefallinia
10 Tor-M1/SA-15 Mobile SAM system 2000 2000-2002 10 $300 m deal; replacing 6 transferred to Cyprus (of 1999 order for 21)
1100 9M133 Kornet/AT-14 Anti-tank missile 2001 2002-2004 (1100) Deal worth $95 m
(350) 9M338/SA-15 Gauntlet SAM (2002) 2005-2006 (350) For Tor-M1 SAM systems
1 Pomornik/Type-1232.2 ACV/landing craft 2002 2005 1 $64 m deal; Greek designation Kefallinia
(19) Tor-M1/SA-15 Mobile SAM system (2002) 2005-2006 (19) $400 m or $700 m deal (offsets $1.3 b)
(415) BMP-3 IFV (2007) Contract not yet signed

Sweden
R: Greece (6) Giraffe-75 Air surv radar (1983) 1985-1986 (6) For use with Skyguard (Velos) SAM systems
2 SLAR AGS radar (1998) 2004-2005 2 For 2 CL-415GR (CL-415CSAR) MP aircraft from Canada
4 PS-890 Erieye AEW aircraft radar 1999 Part of $476-676 m deal (incl 4 EMB-145H AEW aircraft from Brazil; radars fitted in Sweden); delivery 2008
2 Saab-340AEW AEW&C aircraft 1999 2001 2 Orginally produced for Sweden but on loan for training until delivery of EMB-145H AEW&C aircraft
(6) ARTHUR Arty locating radar 2002 2004 (6) $43-44 m deal

UK
R: Greece (40) M-3 Stuart Light tank (1949) 1950-1951 (40) Ex-UK
(20) M-4 Sherman Tank (1949) 1950-1951 (20) Ex-UK
23 F-86F Sabre Fighter aircraft (1955) 1956-1957 23 Ex-UK
1 Gulfstream-1 Transport aircraft (1967) 1968 1 Second-hand; probably modernized before delivery
2 BN-2 Islander Light transport ac 1977 1978 2
4 Olympus Gas turbine (SH) 1980 1981-1982 4 For 2 Kortenaer (Elli) Class frigates from Netherlands; Olympus TM-3B version
4 Tyne Gas turbine (SH) 1980 1981-1982 4 For 2 Kortenaer (Elli) frigates from Netherlands; Tyne RM-1C version
2 Martello S-723 Air surv radar 1990 1992 (2) Martello S-743D version
1 Martello S-723 Air surv radar 1995 1997 (1) Martello S-743D version
2 Hunt MCM ship 1999 2000-2001 2 Ex-UK; part of order for 3 Super Vita Class FAC

L: 3 Super Vita FAC(M) 2000 2004-2005 3 EUR440-580 m deal; Greek designation Rousen
2 Super Vita FAC(M) 2003 2007 1 EUR200-270 m deal; Greek designation Roussen; delivery 2007-2008

Ukraine
R: Greece 1 Pomornik/Type-1232.2 ACV/landing craft 2000 2001 1 Greek designation Kefallinia

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USA
R: Greece (1) DC-3/C-47 Skytrain Transport aircraft (1949) 1950 1 Ex-US; aid
(317) M-101A1 105mm Towed gun (1949) 1950-1957 (317) Ex-US
(268) M-114A1 155mm Towed gun (1949) 1950-1957 (268) Ex-US
(20) M-20 Reconnaissance veh (1949) 1950-1951 (20) Ex-US
(20) M-8 Greyhound Armoured car (1949) 1950-1951 (20) Ex-US
24 SB-2C Helldiver Bomber aircraft (1949) 1950 (24) Ex-US; 'MDAP' aid
2 Benson Destroyer 1950 1951 2 Ex-US; Greek designation Niki
4 Cannon Frigate (1950) 1951 4 Ex-US; 'MDAP' aid; Greek designation Aetos Class
47 T-33A T-Bird Trainer aircraft (1950) 1951-1955 (47) 'MDAP' aid
(171) F-84 Thunderjet FGA aircraft (1951) 1951-1955 (171) 'MDAP' aid; F-84G version
(190) M-24 Chaffee Light tank (1951) 1951-1953 (190) Ex-US
(100) M-26 Pershing Tank (1951) 1952 (100) Ex-US
2 MMC-1 Minelayer 1951 1953 2 Ex-US LSM-1 Class landing ships rebuilt to MMC-1 Class minelayer before delivery; Greek designation Aktion Class; 'MAP' aid
(20) T-6 Texan Trainer aircraft (1951) 1952-1953 (20) Ex-US
(300) M-47 Patton Tank (1953) 1954-1956 (300) Ex-US
(200) M-59 APC (1954) 1955-1956 (200)
18 T-33A T-Bird Trainer aircraft (1954) 1955 18 'MDAP' aid
(36) M-59 155mm Towed gun (1955) 1956-1957 (36) Ex-US
24 RF-84F Thunderflash Reconnaissance ac (1955) 1956-1958 24 'MDAP' aid
115 F-84F Thunderstreak FGA aircraft (1956) 1957-1958 (115) 'MDAP' aid; probably incl ex-US (but maximum only used few years)
14 S-55/H-19 Chickasaw Helicopter (1956) 1957 14 'MDAP' aid
(50) F-86D Sabre Fighter aircraft (1957) 1958-1960 50 Ex-US; 'MAP' aid
2 Gato Submarine 1957 1957-1958 2 Ex-US; 'MDAP' aid; loan; Greek designation Amfitriti Class
(8) Honest John TEL Mobile SSM launcher (1957) 1960-1961 (8) Incl for use with US nuclear warheads (under US control)
6 LSM Landing ship 1958 1958 6 Ex-US; Greek designation Grigoropoulos Class
(85) M-115 203mm Towed gun (1958) 1959-1962 (85) Ex-US
560 M-48A1 Patton Tank (1958) 1959-1967 (550) Ex-US
(162) MIM-3 Nike Ajax SAM (1958) 1959-1960 (162)
(6) Nike Ajax/Hercules SAM system (1958) 1959-1960 (6) For use with MIM-3 Nike Ajax and MIM-14 Nike Hercules missiles; incl for use with US nuclear warheads (under US control)
4 Fletcher Destroyer 1959 1959 (4) Ex-US; 'MDAP' aid; loan until bought in 1977; Greek designation Aspis
2 LCU-501 Landing craft (1959) 1959 2 Ex-US; Greek designation Skopelos Class
(81) M-41 Walker Bulldog Light tank (1959) 1959-1960 (81) Ex-US
1 Patapsco Tanker 1959 1959 1 Ex-US; 'MDAP' aid; Greek designation Arethusa Class
(65) Bell-47/OH-13 Light helicopter (1960) 1961-1971 (65)
2 LST-1 Landing ship 1960 1960 2 Ex-US; Greek designation Lesbos
1 LST-1 Landing ship 1960 1960 1 Ex-US; Greek designation Ikaria
(284) M-30 107mm Mortar (1960) 1960-1965 (284)
740 M-48A3 Patton Tank 1960 1961-1975 (740) Ex-US
2 Fletcher Destroyer (1961) 1962 2 Ex-US; 'MDAP' aid; loan until bought in 1977; Greek designation Aspis
6 HAWK SAM system (1961) 1962 6
6 LCU-501 Landing craft (1961) 1961-1962 6 Ex-US; Greek designation Skopelos Class
(30) M-113 APC (1961) 1963 (30)
157 MIM-23A HAWK SAM (1961) 1962 157
45 F-104G Starfighter FGA aircraft (1962) 1964-1965 (45) 'MAP' aid; incl 4 TF-104G; incl 41 from Canadian production line
(85) Cessna-185/U-17 Light aircraft (1963) 1965-1967 (85)
9 Falcon Minesweeper (1963) 1964-1968 9 Greek designation Alkyon Class
(64) M-52A1 105mm Self-propelled gun (1963) 1965-1966 (64) Ex-US; possibly incl some from FRG
(162) MIM-14 Nike Hercules SAM (1963) 1964-1965 (162)
24 T-37B Trainer aircraft (1963) 1964 (24) T-37C version
1 Balao Submarine (1964) 1965 1 Ex-US; 'MDAP' aid; loan until bought 1976; Greek designation Triaina
49 F-5A Freedom Fighter FGA aircraft (1964) 1965-1971 (49) 'MAP' aid; incl 9 F-5B version
1 LST-1 Landing ship 1964 1964 1 Ex-US; modernized before delivery; Greek designation Lesbos
(200) M-113 APC (1964) 1965-1967 (200) M-113A1 version
(12) M-44A1 155mm Self-propelled gun (1965) 1966 (12) Ex-US; no. could be up to 23
(100) Mk-44 324mm ASW torpedo 1965 1965-1967 (100)
4 S-55/H-19 Chickasaw Helicopter (1965) 1966 4 Ex-US; 'MAP' aid
13 T-33A T-Bird Trainer aircraft (1965) 1965-1966 (13) Ex-US; 'MAP' aid
10 Bell-47/OH-13 Light helicopter (1966) 1968 10 Deal worth 500,000
6 Bell-47/OH-13 Light helicopter (1967) 1967 6 Bell-47G-3B-2 version
3 Bell-47/OH-13 Light helicopter (1968) 1969 3 Bell-47G-5 version
2 Commander-680FL Light transport ac (1968) 1968 2
3 F-104G Starfighter FGA aircraft (1968) 1969 3 Ex-US; 'MAP' aid
4 HU-16B Albatross MP/transport ac (1968) 1969 4 Ex-US
(12) M-107 175mm Self-propelled gun (1968) 1969-1970 (12)
5 Adjutant Minesweeper 1969 1969 5 Ex-Belgian ship returned to US ownership and transferred to Greece; Greek designation Atalantis
21 Cessna-172/T-41 Trainer/light ac (1969) 1969-1970 21
(26) F-102A Delta Dagger Fighter aircraft (1969) 1969-1970 (26) Ex-US; 'MAP' aid; incl 6 TF-102A
5 F-104G Starfighter FGA aircraft (1969) 1969 5 Ex-US; incl 2 TF-104G
4 MIM-23A HAWK SAM (1969) 1969 4 $0.16 m deal
12 T-33A T-Bird Trainer aircraft (1969) 1969 12 Ex-US; 'MAP' aid
16 F-5A Freedom Fighter FGA aircraft (1970) 1970-1971 (16) RF-5A reconnaissance version
4 MIM-23B HAWK SAM (1970) 1971 4
1 Ashland FRAM-2 AALS 1971 1971 1 Ex-US; lease until bought in 1980; Greek designation Nakratoussa Class
8 Bell-205/UH-1D Helicopter 1971 1971 8 Deal worth $2.5 m
4 Bell-47/OH-13 Light helicopter 1971 1971 4 Ex-US; deal worth $98000; OH-13H version
10 F-104G Starfighter FGA aircraft (1971) 1972 10 Ex-Spanish aircraft returned to US ownership and transferred to Greece; incl 1 TF-104G
1 Gearing FRAM-2 Destroyer 1971 1971 1 Ex-US; Greek designation Themistocles
1 LST-1 Landing ship 1971 1971 1 Ex-US; lease until bought in 1978; Greek designation Ikaria
(21) M-110 203mm Self-propelled gun (1971) 1973 (21)
4 M-48 AVLB ABL 1971 1971 4 Deal worth $3.5 m
1 Sumner FRAM-2 Destroyer 1971 1971 1 Ex-US; Greek designation Miaoulis
(7) T-33A T-Bird Trainer aircraft (1971) 1971-1972 (7) Ex-US; 'MAP' aid
(350) AIM-7E Sparrow BVRAAM (1972) 1974-1976 (350) For F-4E combat aircraft
38 F-4E Phantom-2 FGA aircraft (1972) 1974-1976 (38) $150 m deal
3 Gearing FRAM-1 Destroyer 1972 1972-1973 3 Ex-US; loan until bought in 1978; Greek designation Kanaris
1 GUPPY-2A Submarine (1972) 1972 1 Ex-US
1 Patapsco Tanker 1972 1972 1 Ex-US; lease until bought 1978; Greek designation Arethusa Class
1 GUPPY-3 Submarine 1973 1973 1 Ex-US; Greek designation Katsonis
(50) M-30 107mm Mortar 1973 1974 (50) $1.2 m deal
60 A-7E Corsair-2 FGA aircraft 1974 1975-1978 (60) Deal worth $259 m; A-7H version
12 C-130H Hercules Transport aircraft (1974) 1974-1977 (12)
(500) FIM-43C Redeye Portable SAM (1974) 1975 (500)
13 M-44A1 155mm Self-propelled gun 1974 1974 13 Ex-US; $0.123 m deal
96 MIM-23B HAWK SAM 1974 1977 96 Deal incl also upgrade of existing MIM-23A to MIM-23B
22 Bell-205/UH-1H Helicopter (1975) 1975-1976 (22)
2 Bell-212/UH-1N Helicopter (1975) 1976 2
2 F-4E Phantom-2 FGA aircraft (1975) 1976 2
51 M-109A1 155mm Self-propelled gun 1975 1976-1978 (51) $16 m deal; M-109A1B version
8 RF-4E Phantom-2 Reconnaissance ac 1975 1976 8 $91 m deal
40 T-2D Buckeye Trainer aircraft 1975 1976-1977 40 T-2E version
2 F-104G Starfighter FGA aircraft 1976 1977 2 Ex-US; TF-104G version
1 King Air-100 Light transport ac 1976 1977 1
5 A-7E Corsair-2 FGA aircraft 1977 1980 5 Deal worth $26 m; TA-7H version
100 AIM-7E Sparrow BVRAAM 1977 1978 (100) $13 m deal; for F-4E combat aircraft
300 AIM-9J/P Sidewinder SRAAM 1977 1978 (300) $8 m deal; AIM-9J version
2000 BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile 1977 1978-1979 (2000) Deal worth $14 m incl 82 launchers
18 F-4E Phantom-2 FGA aircraft 1977 1978-1979 (18) $161 m deal
1 Gearing FRAM-1 Destroyer 1977 1977 1 Ex-US; Greek designation Kanaris
2 Parish Landing ship 1977 1977 2 Ex-US; Greek designation Inouse Class; plan for 2 more cancelled
(4) Bell-212/UH-1N Helicopter (1978) 1978 (4)
1 King Air-200/C12 Light transport ac 1978 1978 1 C-12A version
(9) T-37B Trainer aircraft 1978 1978 9 Ex-US
(24) Bell-205/UH-1H Helicopter (1979) 1980-1981 (24)
2 Gearing FRAM-1 Destroyer (1979) 1980-1981 2 Ex-US; 1 originally for spares only, but taken in Greek service; Greek designation Kanaris ; 2 more delivered for spares only
(144) M-101A1 105mm Towed gun 1979 1980-1981 (144) Ex-US
200 AGM-65B Maverick ASM 1980 1982-1983 (200) Deal worth $13 m
300 AIM-9J/P Sidewinder SRAAM 1980 1981-1982 (300) $20 m deal; AIM-9P version; incl for Mirage F-1C combat aircraft
2 Bell-212/UH-1N Helicopter (1980) 1981 2
(32) RGM-84 Harpoon Anti-ship missile (1980) 1981-1982 (32) For Kortenaer (Elli) Class frigates
1487 BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile (1981) 1982-1983 (1487) $19 m deal (incl 50 launchers)
48 M-109A1 155mm Self-propelled gun 1981 1983-1984 (48) $37 m deal; M-109A2 version
110 M-113 APC 1982 1983-1984 (110) $26 m deal; M-113A2 version
280 AIM-7M Sparrow BVRAAM (1983) 1984-1986 (280) Part of $98 m deal; for Skyguard (Velos) SAM systems from Italy
51 M-113 APC 1983 1984 (51) M-113A2 version
41 M-992 FDCV APC/CP 1983 1984-1986 (41)
300 AIM-9L/M Sidewinder SRAAM 1984 1986 (300) For A-7H combat aircraft; AIM-9L version
1 AN/SPS-6 Air surv radar (1984) 1985 1 For modernization of 1 Cabildo (Nakratoussa) AALS; probably second-hand
(1097) BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile 1984 1985-1987 (1097) Deal worth $19 m; BGM-71C ITOW version for 54 M-901 tank destroyers
(24) M-901 ITV Tank destroyer (M) 1984 1985-1986 (24)
40 F-16C FGA aircraft 1985 1989-1990 (40) 'Peace Xenia' deal; F-16 Block-30 version; incl 6 F-16D
2 HR-3000 HADR Air surv radar 1985 1988-1989 (2) Part of NATO 'NADGE' air survaillance network
(24) M-109A1 155mm Self-propelled gun 1986 1987-1988 (24) M-109A2 version
300 M-48A5 Patton Tank 1986 1988-1990 (210) Ex-US; incl 250 as deal worth $103 m and 50 as aid
4 Mk-15 Phalanx CIWS 1986 1987-1988 (4) For modernization of 2 Kortenaer (Elli) frigates
32 RGM-84 Harpoon Anti-ship missile 1986 1988 (32) $43 m deal; for Kortenaer (Elli) frigates
80 AIM-7F Sparrow BVRAAM (1987) 1988-1990 (80) Ex-US; for F-4E combat aircraft
(96) AIM-7M Sparrow BVRAAM (1988) 1992-1998 (96) For MEKO-200HN (Hydra) frigates; RIM-7M Sea Sparrow (SAM) version
1500 FIM-92 Stinger Portable SAM 1988 1989-1994 (1500) $124 m deal (incl 500 launchers)
8 Mk-15 Phalanx CIWS 1988 1992-1998 (8) For 4 MEKO-200HN (Hydra) frigates from FRG
4 DE-1164 ASW VDS sonar (1989) 1992-1998 4 For 4 MEKO-200HN (Hydra) frigates from FRG
8 LM-2500 Gas turbine (SH) 1989 1992-1998 8 For 4 MEKO-200 (Hydra) frigates from FRG
(12) M-109A1 155mm Self-propelled gun (1989) 1990 (6) M-109A2 version
26 M-88A1 ARV (1989) 1990-1991 (26)
4 Mk-45 127mm Naval gun (1989) 1992-1998 (4) For 4 MEKO-200HN (Hydra) frigates from FRG
16 RGM-84 Harpoon Anti-ship missile 1989 1992 16 $19 m deal; for MEKO-200HN (Hydra) frigate
(32) RGM-84 Harpoon Anti-ship missile (1989) 1993-1999 (32) UGM-84 version for modernized Type-209 (Glavkos) submarines
28 A-7E Corsair-2 FGA aircraft 1990 1990 28 Ex-US; aid worth $18 m
4 Adams Destroyer 1990 1992 4 Ex-US; lease under 'Defence Co-operation Agreement' until given to Greece in 1999; Greek designation Kimon
2 Asheville Patrol craft (1990) 1990 2 Ex-US; modernized and main engines removed before delivery; Greek designation Tolmi Class
28 F-4E Phantom-2 FGA aircraft 1990 1991 (28) Ex-US; $49 m deal; status of last 10 uncertain
359 M-60A1 Patton-2 Tank (1990) 1992-1993 359 Ex-US; 'CFE Cascade' aid
312 M-60A3 Patton-2 Tank (1990) 1992-1993 312 Ex-US; 'CFE Cascade' aid
26 A-7E Corsair-2 FGA aircraft 1991 1992 26 Ex-US; aid
4 A-7E Corsair-2 FGA aircraft 1991 1991 4 Ex-US; aid worth $2.6 m
446 AGM-114A HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile 1991 1995 (150) For AH-64A helicopters
20 AH-64A Apache Combat helicopter (1991) 1995 20 $505 m deal
5 C-130B Hercules Transport aircraft (1991) 1992 5 Ex-US
72 M-110A2 203mm Self-propelled gun 1991 1992 72 Ex-US; 'CFE Cascade' programme
150 M-113 APC 1991 1992 150 Ex-US; M-113A1 version; 'CFE Cascade' aid
100 M-30 107mm Mortar 1991 1994 (100) Ex-US; 'CFE Cascade' programme
24 RGM-84 Harpoon Anti-ship missile 1991 1992 (24) For Adams (Kimon) destroyers; part of $100 m deal
114 RIM-66B Standard-1MR SAM 1991 1992-1993 (114) $19 m deal; for Adams (Kimon) destroyers
64 RIM-67A Standard-1ER SAM 1991 1993 (64) $19 m deal; for Adams (Kimon) destroyers
5 S-70B/SH-60B Seahawk ASW helicopter 1991 1994-1995 (5) Deal worth $161 m; S-70B-6 Aegean Hawk version
(108) AIM-7M Sparrow BVRAAM (1992) 1993-1995 (108) For Kortenaer (Elli) frigates; RIM-7M Sea Sparrow (SAM) version
30 Bell-205/UH-1H Helicopter (1992) 1992-1993 (30) Ex-US
3 Knox Frigate 1992 1992 3 Ex-US; lease; Greek designation Epirus Class
40 F-16C Block-50/52 FGA aircraft 1993 1997-1999 (40) $1.8 b 'Peace Xenia-2' deal; F-16 Block-50 version; incl 8 F-16D
11 M-113 APC 1993 1995 11 Ex-US; M-577A2 CP version
20 M-578 ARV 1993 1994 (20) Ex-US; aid
36 M-578 ARV 1993 1993 (36) Ex-US; aid
40 M-901 ITV Tank destroyer (M) 1993 1994 (40) Ex-US; aid
3 Mk-15 Phalanx CIWS (1993) 1993-1995 (3) For modernization of 3 Kortenaer (Elli) frigates
32 RGM-84 Harpoon Anti-ship missile 1993 1995-1996 (32) Part of $170 m deal; for Knox frigates
24 A-7E Corsair-2 FGA aircraft 1994 1994-1996 (24) Ex-US; aid; incl 8 TA-7C version
52 AGM-88 HARM Anti-radar missile 1994 1998 (52) $27 m deal; AGM-88B version; for F-16C combat aircraft
9 M-270 MLRS 227mm MRL 1994 1995 (9)
80 M-901 ITV Tank destroyer (M) 1994 1994 (80) Ex-US; $5.9 m aid
(4) P-3B Orion ASW/MP aircraft 1994 1996-1997 (4) Ex-US; lease worth $69 m; modernized before delivery
(2) P-3B Orion ASW/MP aircraft 1994 1995 (2) Ex-US; for training; 4 more P-3A version delivered for spares only
100 AIM-120A AMRAAM BVRAAM (1995) 1998-1999 100 $70 m deal
(16) AN/AAQ-13 LANTIRN Aircraft El/Op system (1995) 1997-1999 (16) For F-16C combat aircraft
24 AN/AAQ-14 LANTIRN Aircraft radar (1995) 1997-1999 (24) For F-16C combat aircraft
25 M-578 ARV 1995 1995 (25) Ex-US; aid
80 M-901 ITV Tank destroyer (M) 1995 1995 (80) Ex-US; aid
84 AGM-88 HARM Anti-radar missile 1996 1998 (84) Part of $90 m deal; AGM-88B version
(50) AIM-120B AMRAAM BVRAAM 1996 2000 (50) Part of $90 m deal; for F-16C combat aircraft; no. delivered could be up to 150
(2) AN/TPQ-37 Firefinder Arty locating radar 1996 1999 (2)
914 BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile (1996) 1997-1998 (914) BGM-71E TOW-2A version
1 S-70B/SH-60B Seahawk ASW helicopter (1996) 1997 1 S-70B-6 Aegean Hawk version
(36) AIM-7M Sparrow BVRAAM (1997) 1997 (36) For Kortenaer (Elli) frigate; RIM-7M Sea Sparrow (SAM) version
12 M-109A5 155mm Self-propelled gun (1997) 1999 (12) $28 m deal; option on 12 more not used
40 MGM-140A ATACMS SSM 1997 1998-1999 40
1 Mk-15 Phalanx CIWS (1997) 1997 (1) For modernization of 1 Kortenaer (Elli) frigate
2 S-70B/SH-60B Seahawk ASW helicopter 1997 1998 2 S-70B-6 Aegean Hawk version
(6) A-7E Corsair-2 FGA aircraft 1998 2000-2001 (6) Ex-US; aid
(248) AGM-114K HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile 1998 2000-2001 248 $24 m deal; AGM-114KBF and AGM-114K version; for AH-64A helicopters
(38) M-113 APC (1998) 1998-2000 (38) Ex-US; M-577A2 CP version
18 M-270 MLRS 227mm MRL 1998 2000 18 $55 m deal (part of $245 m deal)
(30) MGM-140A ATACMS SSM 1998 2000-2001 (30) Part of $245 m deal
(200) MIM-104 PAC-2 SAM (1998) 1999-2000 (200) Ex-US; incl 125 as aid
3 Patriot SAM system (1998) 1999 (3) Ex-US; loan until delivery of new Patriot SAM systems
10 T-2D Buckeye Trainer aircraft 1998 2001-2002 10 Ex-US; aid; T-2C version
(176) VT-1 SAM 1998 1999-2001 (176) Deal worth $266 m (incl offsets) incl 11 Crotale NG SAM systems from France; ordered and delivered via France
8 AE-3007 Turbofan 1999 2004-2005 (8) For 4 EMB-145 AEW aircraft from Brazil
7 CH-47D Chinook Helicopter 1999 2001 7 Deal worth $376 m
(51) MGM-140A ATACMS SSM 1999 2001-2002 (51)
(6) Patriot SAM system 1999 2002-2004 (6) $1.1 b deal (offsets 120%)
45 PC-9 Trainer aircraft 1999 2000-2003 (45) Deal worth $223-240 m (offsets 120% incl production of parts for 300 T-6A); T-6A-1 Texan-2 version; incl 20 T-6B armed version (for training); option on 5 more
208 RIM-66B Standard-1MR SAM 1999 2002 (208) Ex-US; aid; status uncertain
100 AIM-7M Sparrow BVRAAM (2000) 2002 (100) Ex-US; aid; designation uncertain; status uncertain
6 AN/TPQ-37 Firefinder Arty locating radar (2000) 2003-2004 (6)
50 F-16C Block-50/52 FGA aircraft 2000 2003-2004 (50) $2.1 b 'Peace Xenia-3' deal; F-16CG Block-52+ version; incl 16 F-16DG
432 FIM-92 Stinger Portable SAM 2000 2005-2006 (432) $48 m deal; for ASRAD SAM systems from FRG
2 King Air-200/C12 Light transport ac 2000 2001 2 $11.4 m deal; C-12R/AP version; for VIP transport, photographic reconnaissance and survey
(113) M-106 Self-propelled mortar 2000 2000-2002 (113) Ex-US; aid; M-106A2 version
3 S-70B/SH-60B Seahawk ASW helicopter 2000 2003-2004 3 S-70B-6 Aegean Hawk version
10 F-16C Block-50/52 FGA aircraft 2001 2004 10 $183 m 'Peace Xenia-3' deal; F-16CG Block-52+ version; incl 4 F-16DG
(200) FIM-92 Stinger Portable SAM 2001 2003-2004 (200) Part of $89 m deal (for 1007 missiles for Greece, Italy and UK)
(203) AGM-65G Maverick ASM (2002) 2003 (203) Version uncertain
2 C-130H Hercules Transport aircraft 2002 2003 (2) Ex-Italian aircraft sold back to US producer and sold to Greece
2 Mk-15 Phalanx CIWS 2002 2004 (2) Ex-US; Phalanx Block-1A version
24 AE-2100 Turboprop 2003 2005-2006 (24) For 12 C-27J transport aircraft from Italy; AE-2100D-3 version
12 AH-64D Apache Combat helicopter 2003 2007 (12) Part of $675-703 m deal (offsets $845 m); option on 4 more
4 AN/APG-78 Longbow Aircraft radar 2003 2007 (4) Part of $675-703 m deal (offsets $845 m); for AH-64D combat helicopters; option on 4 more
(140) M-113 APC 2003 2004-2005 (140) Ex-US; aid; 128 M-113A2 and 12 M-577A2 version
(53) AIM-120C AMRAAM BVRAAM 2004 2005 (53) Part of $53 m deal; AIM-120C-5 version
30 F-16C Block-50/52 FGA aircraft 2005 $2 b 'Peace Xenia-4' deal (offsets 132%); F-16 Block-52+ version; incl 12 F-16D; option on 10 more; delivery by 2009-2010
2 Osprey Minehunter (2005) 2007 2 Ex-US
(657) AGM-114K HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile (2007) $66 m deal; 633 AGM-114K1 and 24 AGM-114M1 version
40 AGM-154 JSOW ASM 2007
2 DB-110 Aircraft El/Op system 2007 For F-16 combat aircraft

L: (1250) AIM-9B Sidewinder-1A SRAAM (1961) 1961-1970 (1250) Probably most from European production line in FRG; incl production of components in Greece; for F-5, F-104 and F-102 combat aircraft
(1100) FIM-92 Stinger Portable SAM 1986 1993-2004 (1100) Part of 'European Stinger Production Programme'; from FRG production line; incl production of components in Greece; FIM-92A and FIM-92C version
(50) AIM-9L/M Sidewinder SRAAM (1992) 1993 (50) DM18 m deal (financed by FRG); AIM-9L version; from European production line in FRG (incl production of components in Greece)


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[zaphod72]

There are a few minor contradictions with the official data I have gathered so far (e.g. I can't find any information about the presence of M-20s and M-26s in the Greek army).

[hoplitis]

Info is a good thing.
Info from what seems a reputable source is even better.
The question is who will do the dirty job now:
1. Cross validating data and
2. Feedng them in the game?

I hope a more accurate Greek OOB will come out of this ... somehow! :)

[Καλή δουλειά πάντως, ούτως ή άλλως :up:]

[zaphod72]

I'm trying... hard!
And as much as possible with official data. :)

Ευχαριστώ φίλε Οπλίτη (της �*χω αλλάξει τα φώτα της obat31 αλλά ακόμη �*χει δουλειά).

[hoplitis]

I'm trying... hard!
And as much as possible with official data. :)

Ευχαριστώ φίλε Οπλίτη (της �*χω αλλάξει τα φώτα της obat31 αλλά ακόμη �*χει δουλειά).

"I'm trying... hard!" Wrong attitude! :D. It is a hobby! Enjoy it & take it easy! It's better to take a longer path and ensure a better result, than rushing into it! Believe me, this way your effort will be better appreciated and the end result more useful! (As for me, you already have my :up: for even attempting an OOB revision!)

Βαγγελης.

[DRG]

......and be aware that to be really taken seriously you don't make statements like this at the start......




There are quite a few errors in units and formations of the Greek army. I'm starting with the major units issues.

Greek army never had:
- M4A3 Sherman tanks (only the M32A1 ARV variant)
- M20 and V150 armored wheeled vehicles
<snip>



then just a few days later report this......



Transfers of major conventional weapons: sorted by supplier. Deals with deliveries or orders made for year range 1950 to 2007

<snip>
UK
(20) M-4 Sherman Tank (1949) 1950-1951 (20) Ex-UK
USA
(20) M-20 Reconnaissance veh (1949) 1950-1951 (20) Ex-US
<snip>



In the case of the sherman the gun ( and Icon ) may be wrong in the OOB but those are not ARV's

Don

[zaphod72]

Dear Don,
Already mentioned that there are a few contradictions in the SIRPI list. For instance, the list states that the first M-48s delivered in 1959, but all the official sources of Greek origin agree that Greek army acquired the M-48 in 1963. Likewise, there is an error with the M-47 year of arrival (the correct is 1957 and not 1954). Also, in the SIRPI list there is no mention of the M-48A2C from Germany that served with the Greek army.
I posted the list because it is the only one that gives a complete picture (but with some minor errors) of the Greek army equipment from 1950 to present days.
Anyway, SIRPI is one of my sources and, of course, not the only one.

[zaphod72]

A very interesting collection of hand-crafted models of vehicles and artillery used by the Greek Army in the "Museum of the Macedonian Struggle":

http://www.imma.edu.gr/imma/exhibition/chaitoglou/exhibits.html
http://www.imma.edu.gr/imma/exhibition/chaitoglou/index.html

[redcoat2]

Zaphod72,

the SITPRI Trade Register (http://armstrade.sipri.org/arms_trade/trade_register.php) can be a useful source of information about international arms sales/transfers. However, I suspect that some of the information is not always 100% accurate – and I am sure that it is not comprehensive. Many arms sales/transfers do not make it onto the Register – for various reasons. It also does not always include foreign weapons made under licence – and the Greek arms industry produces a variety of such weapons (from LMGs to MBTs).

The Register could provide you with clues about foreign arms deliveries to Greece that you could cross-reference against your local sources – which could be more reliable.

[zaphod72]

BETA TESTING - BETA TESTING - BETA TESTING :)

This is the first version with minor changes (can be used with present Pick List) of the OOB31.
New units are marked with a (+) and updated with a (*).

INFO FOR NEW OOB
- Leopard 1A4(GR) and Μ-48Α5 were the first tanks using APFSDS 105mm rounds (DM23 and M735). In 1992-93 Greek army acquired M413/DM33 rounds and in 2003 the latest batch of M426/DM63.
- In 1964 an ATGW company sent to Cyprus (Cobra jeeps). So, Greek army uses AT missiles at least from that year.
- In 1957 formed the first motorized AT companies (one per Infantry Division) with 106mm M40 recoilless rifles installed on M38 jeeps.
- TOW launchers entered service in 1978, with BGM-71B missiles. In 1985 Greek army acquired the first M901A1 with Improved TOW (BGM-71C) from US reserves. Upgraded in 1993 (October) with TOW-2/BGM-71E missiles.
- The first SP Artillery system (M-52A1) entered service in 1958. I've left the M7 Priest as is (even if Greek army never had this SP howitzer), because the Pick List uses the SPA slot from 1946.
- Leonidas II (Greek version of Austrian 4K-7FA APC) uses new type of smoke grenade launchers (2x4 at the sides of the turret instead of 4 at the back of the turret in Leonidas I). Also a MG3 machine gun can be installed at the back to be operated by the passengers.
- Even if many BMP-1P kept their AT-4 launchers, all sources agree that none of them carries missiles. All AT-3 launchers removed from the other BMP-1s.
- During the civil war, Greek army used British made artillery (25pdr and 5.5 inches field howitzers and 3.7 inches mountain howitzers). By 1953 most of them went obsolete and replaced by US artillery pieces (M101, M114, M203) which started entering service from 1951.
- The first area SAM system in service with the Hellenic Air Force was the Nike-Hercules (acquired in 1960). In 1964 the Greek army acquires Hawk SAM. These went under major upgrades two times since then: in 1976 to I-Hawk version (MIM23B) and in 1996 to Phase III.
- Small Arms: Until the late 60s infantry units were equipped with M1 Garand rifles/carbines and BARs. In 1967 the Greek army acquires FN-FALs (rifles and LMGs) to be used only with SF units (Commandos, Paras and Marines) and some front line Mech Inf Regiments. All other infantry and National Guard units stuck with M1s until 1977. In that year starts the production of G3A3/4 rifles, HK11 LMGs and MG3 machine guns at the Hellenic Arms Industry (EBO) under HK licence. In September 1991 SF units start replacing their FN arms with M16A2 rifles, M4 carbines and M60 LMGs. Greek infantry will remain with 7.62mm rifles and machine guns for the following years, since the plan to acquire HK G36 has been canceled.
- The Greek navy uses two helicopters with anti-shipping role. The AB-212 (armed with four SS-12 missiles) and the S-70 'Aegean Hawk' (armed with four Hellfire missiles).
- Even though, the Greek air force acquired AGM-88 HARM missiles in 1994 to be used with F-16 Block 30, I've set the starting year at 1990 because of the Pick List.
- Other air-to-ground guided bombs and missiles that I've added in the new OOB, are Paveway, AGM-65G Maverick, Scalp EG and JDAM1000 (these will enter service by 2010).
- Mirage F1C served as interceptor and 2000EBG have also anti-shipping role.


SOURCES: Hellenic Air Force and Hellenic Army official sites, War, Tank and Air Force museums, SIPRI Arms Transfers Database, official army documents from Greek Civil War period, "History of the Hellenic Army 1821-1954" (Army History Directorate publication), Stratigiki and Ptisi magazines (personal collection from 1987), online Periscopio Publications (http://www.periscopio.gr), various publications for ELDYK (Greek forces in Cyprus) history, wargamer.gr, hellasarmy.gr

[hoplitis]

So what's next?
I mean are there going to be anymore additions or a "verification" phase of the proposed OOB?

Μπας και φτιάξουμε και κανενα σενάριο ε;! ή οχι ακόμα...:confused:

[zaphod72]

My friend Hoplitis,
This is not the final edition, because I am working now on new formations (still trying to keep the compatibility with present Pick Lists). This is a 'solo' work, so there might be some errors.