Crusaders - Mod Heavy Ea game [Game Over - Kietsensei wins!]

[Amonchakad]

The game is finished! Kietsensei of EA Oceania has been declared the winner!


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Hi everyone!

I'm quite a new player of dom 3, but I'm really liking it and now it's the time to host my first game:D

Now, this won't be a normal game; I want to employ many gameplay-changing mods and see how they work with each other.

The mods I'm planning to include are:
-CBM (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=43120)(We all know this one)
-CPCS (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=42165) (More early and mid game multipath spells)
-Holy War (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=42638) (Gives a lot more holy spells/units/sites, changes the role of priests by quite a lot)
-More Magic Sites (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=41189)(Adds around 150 magic sites to the game)
-Llamabeast's Streamers & Standards (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=39989)(Just for the eye candy)

The game information:

Early Age

Map:Land of Legends (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=43144)

Players: 12

-Amonchakad: Arcoscephale
-Lavaere: Fomoria
-Strabo: Ermor
-Aethyr: Helheim
-Gregstrom: Lanka
-Pelthin: Yomi
-Anthropos: T'ien Ch'i
-shard: Sauromatia
-Llamabeast: Tir Na N'og
-Dragar: Abysia
-Burnsaber: Agartha
-Kietsensei: Oceania

Settings:Everything to default except
-magicsites 50
-HoF 15

Turns:24h for the first 20, then 48h. We can go to 72 hours if requested.



Now,because of the high number of balance-changing mods, this won't be a normal game: what I'd really hope we're going to do is giving a lot of feedback on the mods' balance.
I suggest you read the changes made from the various mods.
If, while playing, you find something that you think is overpowered, useless or just unbalanced, post it in the game thread.
Also,if we all agree that something is really ruining the game's fairness, we will change it on the fly(as far as i get it,mods CAN be changed mid-game).

Soo...I think that's pretty much everything; if I forgot something, just tell me, as I said it's my first time^^
Let's see if there is enough interest for an odd game:)

[Executor]

I think you should test it a bit more. Those are the mods we are "trying" to use in Unsanity. They seemed to work at first but a lot of spells are screwed up summon wrong things or don't summon at all, some pretenders are bugged, cheat messages appear, nations disappeare, and once we tough it was all fixed and uploaded the pretenders the game disappeared from Llamaserver.

[Amonchakad]

I think you should test it a bit more. Those are the mods we are "trying" to use in Unsanity. They seemed to work at first but a lot of spells are screwed up summon wrong things or don't summon at all, some pretenders are bugged, cheat messages appear, nations disappeare, and once we tough it was all fixed and uploaded the pretenders the game disappeared from Llamaserver.

Oh I know, I actually got the idea from your game:)
After reading its description, I tried to merge all those mods in a SP game, leaving out only the Antilarium metamap. I think that the problem is caused by Mithology, because with it on, I had all sorts of bugs and crashes, then I took it off...bam!
No more problems. I've already played 3 SP games with the combination of mods I plan to use in this game(though I was using them separately,I had yet to merge them into a single mod)and i never had a single problem.

I'll do a couple more games with it, but I think that all your problems are caused by the Mithology mod( or possibly Antilarium).

[Burnsaber]

I think you should test it a bit more. Those are the mods we are "trying" to use in Unsanity. They seemed to work at first but a lot of spells are screwed up summon wrong things or don't summon at all, some pretenders are bugged, cheat messages appear, nations disappeare, and once we tough it was all fixed and uploaded the pretenders the game disappeared from Llamaserver.

Since he didn't include the mytheology nor the antilarium mod, his work will be much easier.

You should double-check that the magic sites and summon spells give units they are supposed to give, that gave us most headache.

[Amonchakad]

I think you should test it a bit more. Those are the mods we are "trying" to use in Unsanity. They seemed to work at first but a lot of spells are screwed up summon wrong things or don't summon at all, some pretenders are bugged, cheat messages appear, nations disappeare, and once we tough it was all fixed and uploaded the pretenders the game disappeared from Llamaserver.

Since he didn't include the mytheology nor the antilarium mod, his work will be much easier.

You should double-check that the magic sites and summon spells give units they are supposed to give, that gave us most headache.


Thanks for the hint, I've start doing that and in 5 minutes I've already found a couple of bugs.I'll have to reupload the mod file after I've fixed them all...the game won't start until we have enough people anyway:)

By the way, does anyone know a way to mod a map so that i can see every single site?
Looking at the mod file and double-checking all IDs is quite tedious...

[Amonchakad]

Allright,I think I fixed everything(check first post); the combined mod should be ready now:)

[Lavaere]

War Cleric, recruited from Lighthouse of Faith. Doesn't have any weapons, just his fist. But when I looked at the dm file it says.

#weapon "Axe"
#weapon "Throwing Axe"
#weapon 56

[Amonchakad]

War Cleric, recruited from Lighthouse of Faith. Doesn't have any weapons, just his fist. But when I looked at the dm file it says.

#weapon "Axe"
#weapon "Throwing Axe"
#weapon 56



Hmm, I just did a test game and the War Clerics look fine.Are you sure that you don't have any other mod active?

EDIT:I'm doing more playtesting and I'm finding more small bugs,mostly typos.I suppose I'll just keep working on it until we have the game ready.
By the way,is noone really interested in joining? I'm putting a lot of work in polishing the mod you know:D

[Burnsaber]

EDIT:I'm doing more playtesting and I'm finding more small bugs,mostly typos.I suppose I'll just keep working on it until we have the game ready.
By the way,is noone really interested in joining? I'm putting a lot of work in polishing the mod you know:D


If you find any typoes in Holy War/CPCS, would you mind taking notes of them and telling me, so that I can fix the main versions?

Well, there are many games recruiting at the moment. Filling up might take time, because people are hitting their personal limits. My personal maximum is 4 games. I'm currently in 3, but I'm saving one because when I manage to complete my UW Gameplay Enchanment mod, I need to make a test game for it. Alugra needs a test game too.

The "Testing" and the current posts about bug fixing might also scare people. Besides, it's only been what 6hours? Cripple_Fight with 13 players took 3 days to fill up.

[Amonchakad]

EDIT:I'm doing more playtesting and I'm finding more small bugs,mostly typos.I suppose I'll just keep working on it until we have the game ready.
By the way,is noone really interested in joining? I'm putting a lot of work in polishing the mod you know:D


If you find any typoes in Holy War/CPCS, would you mind taking notes of them and telling me, so that I can fix the main versions?

Well, there are many games recruiting at the moment. Filling up might take time, because people are hitting their personal limits. My personal maximum is 4 games. I'm currently in 3, but I'm saving one because when I manage to complete my UW Gameplay Enchanment mod, I need to make a test game for it. Alugra needs a test game too.

The "Testing" and the current posts about bug fixing might also scare people. Besides, it's only been what 6hours? Cripple_Fight with 13 players took 3 days to fill up.

Sorry about the hurry,I don't really have a lot of patience:D

About the bug fixes...yeah I can write down a list.I just have to remember all the ones that I already fixed:p

[Lavaere]

Oh I am in for the game. And I like the Sha Bay map.
Thing is I've never tried apart from having CBM and Standards, those other mods.

[llamabeast]

I might be up for playing in this actually, if it takes a while to start. Problem: I can't start till next Thursday (i.e. 11 days). That's quite a long time, so feel free to start without me!

[Strabo]

If this game is newbie-friendly then I'll play as Ermor

[Amonchakad]

Welcome aboard!
I have no problem with accepting newbies(I'm one too), and Llama, I'll keep a slot for you, if we start late.

I'll upload a new version monday, fixed a couple more bugs and a lot of typos.

[Lavaere]

Never tried Fomoria before, so I'll try them this time around

[Aethyr]

Argatha please. When is the estimated start?

[Gregstrom]

I 'd like Lanka, please.

[Amonchakad]

Bumpity-bump.

Well,i've decided to settle for 10(or 12 with 2 water nations) players, so as soon as other 5 players join we're good to go...honestly I have no clue about how much time that will take, but I hope that we'll be able to start within 5-7 days.(though if we wait we get llama to join, and i'd love to play with him:D)

[Aethyr]

No worries, just more time to test. And it would be cool to play with Llama again.

[Aethyr]

Hey,

I've changed my mind, I'll take Helheim instead. Thanks

[Amonchakad]

Bump

[Pelthin]

I am game for something different, I always wanted to try Yomi, is that still open?

[namad]

is this game gonna be hosted on llamaserver? also are you sure its possible to update mods midgame? because cbm is never updated midgame?

[Gregstrom]

Mods can be updated midgame. ChrisP had to do it a lot in the Ulm v Ulm game he ran.

[Amonchakad]

Welcome Pelthin ; sure, Yomi is available.

And yes, the game's going to be hosted on Llamaserver:)

[chrispedersen]

Pencil me in for mictlan, please.

[chrispedersen]

Are you sure we can't throw SingleAge into the mix?
I'd like to try this with La-R.

[shard]

Pencil me in for mictlan, please.

Ha, if Chris is going for this game I think our Betelgeuse game is pretty much as good as over!

I'm in for Sauromatia,
And this time from the start :p

[Aethyr]

Are you sure we can't throw SingleAge into the mix?
I'd like to try this with La-R.

Boooooo! :p I'd rather not have to play agianst La-R. :)

[Amonchakad]

Hey chris and Shard, welcome aboard:)

For chris: sorry but we won't be playing with SingleAge: considering that I already had some problems with merging all the mods, I don't want to have to deal with even more potential bugs and issues.
Beside that, many people have already chosen their nation from the Ea, and even if we played with SingleAge I would have never admitted LA R'lyeh anyway :p

So, for the moment I'll sign you up as Mictlan, if you change your mind just let me know.

EDIT: I've just noticed that it's thursday, so llama should join us. With him, if he still wants to join, we'd be either missing 1 player, or 3 if we want 2 water nations.
I need your opinion: do we just get 1 more and don't have water nations(it's just 18 provinces anyway) or do we specifically look for 2 more players to play 2 water nations?

[llamabeast]

Well I still haven't finished my sodding thesis, but I'm pretty close, so hopefully I will be done before the game gets intense. So... yes please, sign me up!

I think I would like to play Tir na n'Og. I've not played them before and they look to have some reasonable diversity for CPCS goodness.

[Kietsensei]

Hello,

I would like to sign in for this game :) I hope there is still room for me.
I will tell the nation I would like to play a little later

[Kietsensei]

I am feeling a little suicidal and would like to play Oceania :D

[chrispedersen]

Interesting. The CPCS module has some spells which very nicely aid agatha.

[Burnsaber]

Interesting. The CPCS module has some spells which very nicely aid agatha.

I'm guessing that you mean the "Grip of the Marshlands" spell? Should be useful when combined with your low attack troops. I haven't tested if the claymen you summon in the battlefield by the "Animate Clay" spell get the dominion bonus or not.

Well I still haven't finished my sodding thesis, but I'm pretty close, so hopefully I will be done before the game gets intense. So... yes please, sign me up!

I think I would like to play Tir na n'Og. I've not played them before and they look to have some reasonable diversity for CPCS goodness.

Yeah, Tuatha Sorceresses seem like ideal candidates for Winds of [Season] spam. You also seem to have good access for several niche evocations (Shocking Pour, Spore Spread). Also "Grip of the Marshlands" has nice synergy with poison spamming + quaqmire because sliming also halves AP.

But I'm giving away all of your tricks here! Whoopsie, I'll just say what I came to say in the first place.

If you notice any bugs or typoes in the CPCS/Holy War mods, would you please report them to the mod thread (see signature in this post). Also, if you think some spell/unit/magic site is too strong or weak, please voice your opinion so that something can be done about it.

[chrispedersen]

I'm surprised that no one has taken tien chi or arcosephale. both of them benefit hugely from the cpcs spells.

[Amonchakad]

Allright, changes noted:) As Kietsensei wants to play Oceania, we just need 2 more players:1 land nations,and 1 sea, then we can begin the pretender uploading.

[llamabeast]

I thought that as well. But I didn't want to play them!

Incidentally it seems that the researchable holy spells don't show up in the research lists, but do still work. Everyone, make sure you've read the first post of the Holy War thread so you know what you might want to research for your priests.

[shard]

Actually I am not familiar with the mods; which nations would significantly change? Those with strong priests and multipath mages I assume?

I'm already playing EA TC in one game, would my gameplay change significantly with CPCS and Holy war?

[Burnsaber]

Incidentally it seems that the researchable holy spells don't show up in the research lists, but do still work. Everyone, make sure you've read the first post of the Holy War thread so you know what you might want to research for your priests.


Actually, they show up for me, they are always listed as last in their school level. This is kinda stupid question to ask, but are you sure that you have the latest patch? Holy spells didn't show up in the research screen in the previous versions.

[chrispedersen]

They show up for me as well.

[Burnsaber]

Actually I am not familiar with the mods; which nations would significantly change? Those with strong priests and multipath mages I assume?

I'm already playing EA TC in one game, would my gameplay change significantly with CPCS and Holy war?

I'm the author of CPCS & Holy War, in case you were wondering and I'd be clad to anwser your question.

The changes of CPCS & Holy War are mostly global, althought Holy War slighlty changes (max changes +/- 10% in gold cost) some sacred troops. Also some mage-priests are reduced in holy power while some "pure" priests got increased holy magic.

I also brought up some hints about handling the mods in a previous thread, behold the power of copy-paste!

- With Holy War, holy sites are much more common, althought the effect is somewhat diluted by the magic site mod. My careful estimate is that about 8% of sites will be holy. All common holy sites can be found with a level 1 priest, uncommons by level 2 and rare sites by level 3. It's recommendable to send at least h2 priest out early to search some holy sites. Most of the sites do not give lots of gems, but allow access to good quality units & priests. Most of the indy sacreds can be pretty good even with a moderate bless, and some need no bless at all to be of use (Penitents, for example, are just undercosted heavy infantry, because they fight to cleanse their sins.), so it's worthwhile to search even if you don't have a bless. Most also give some gold and/or resources. Most of the holy sites are just for land, so rarely concern sea terrains. However, the "Temple of the Deeps" common holy site is still there, so holy searching underwater is worthwhile just for it.

- Be careful with the CPCS spells - consider the new options they give for your opponent against you, so that you are not completely taken by suprise by a new spell. Be also sure to check any spells that are available to you. CPCS has up-to-date complete spell list on these forums (you can find the link on the first post of the mod thread).

- Also consider the new cross-holy summoning spells (Call Guardian of X). They need precious mage-time (only one unit per summon), but the troops are pretty good, and sacred to boot. If things get hot, they might just be the silver bullet you need. For example, Guardians of the First Flame have high attack skill and a high-damage magical weapon. They might be just what you need to croak those pesky ethereal thugs. Guardians of the Throne deal nearly no damage to anything but are ethereal, high def and small size. Perfect to buy you some time on the battlefield and to exhaust enemy troops as they try hit them. Guardians of the world tree have magical ranged attack -> perfect for popping up mistform.

- The new holy spells from Holy War should also be up to consideration when you devising your combat stragedies. Just the new 3 starting spells change things. All priests can now do battlefield healing with the "Faith Healing" spell, an option that makes level 1 priests much more useful on the battlefield. "Smite Heretic" is also good for fending off any early sacred rushes. You should also note that the three most powerful new holy buffing spells (Holy Warriors + Divine Armaments + Divine Protection) are mr negates/mr negates easily and only work well with low-to medium mr troops. Penetration items can also be used to increase the effectiveness of these spells.

[Burnsaber]

Actually, all this talk about the mods has given me the craving to game.

Sign me up as Agartha.

Amonchakad, you should know that finding a another sea player might take some time. Going against EA Oceania in a 18 province lake is a practically a suicide. The Knight of the Deeps will be in your capital before turn 10. EA Atlantis has nothing that could even theoratically hit them and R'lyeh isn't able to reach critical mass on its Mind Blasters in so short time.

Perhaps you could combine some water provinces to reduce the amount of water? 10-12 water provinces should be okay to a single UW nation, considering that we have two amphibious nations in the mix (fomoria & Agartha).

[Kietsensei]

By the way if everyone is ok we could start as we are now. Most people seem to be busy with other games already. Land players will have 15 provinces and water 18 but we all know how hard it is for these cute mermaid to colonize outside of the water :)

If people disagree and we cannot find other players I can switch to another nation: Hinnom

Edit: Burnsaber just posted before me. He is right and another solution would be to reduce the amount of water.

[shard]

Since one of the purposes of this game might be to test out the mp viability of the mods I don't mind changing my pick of Sauromatia to another nation you think that might make better use of the new spells.

Any suggestions?

[Amonchakad]

Honestly, the solution about letting Oceania as the only sea nation doesn't sound bad.I haven't played Oceania much, but I know that it has many problems expanding above the surface...
About editing the map file for having less water provinces, it sounds a little complicated for me, but maybe somebody else can help with that.
So...I'd like to have the input of more experienced players: would Oceania get too powerful with 18 provinces at its disposal(considering we also have 2 amphibious nations)?

Shard, about your nation, you can choose whichever you want: we already have other ones that will help with the testing, so play the one that you feel most comfortable with:)

[llamabeast]

I don't really know, but I'd be quite happy to play with just Oceania in the sea. I can't imagine them being really scary like, say, R'lyeh, even if they are uncontested in the water. It's a shame really that we haven't included Burnsaber's Oceania mod.

[Dragar]

Ok, I'll jump in as Abysia, want to try a new strat out

[Burnsaber]

Perhaps you could mark some UW provinces as low-population with the #population command? That should be pretty simple and have the desired effect.

[chrispedersen]

Comments: The mask for the shrine of sombre currently allows it to be found above water. It needs to be changed to be water only.

I'm ok with oceania being the only water.

If we are playing legends, map I'll switch to Arco. (So long as no one else picks up mictlan.

[llamabeast]

Why do you think the Shrine of Sombre should be an underwater site?

When are we starting Amonchakad? I've got my pretender designed and everything! Turns out Tir na n'Og are pretty fun!

[llamabeast]

Why do you think the Shrine of Sombre should be an underwater site?

When are we starting Amonchakad? I've got my pretender designed and everything! Turns out Tir na n'Og are pretty fun!

[chrispedersen]

Because it lets you recruit sea serpents, that are underwater only?

Also, if we are playing with the land of legends, someone probably needs to work on starting locations. I have started in locations with as few as 2 neighbors. Which sucks pretty bad.

Also, switch arco to Tien Chi. That way I can almost guaranteed try out most of burnsabers spells.

Nice to see you llama!

[Kietsensei]

How are we going to handle diplomacy? Do we allow breaking NAP or not?

[Gregstrom]

Because it lets you recruit sea serpents, that are underwater only?


Turns out there's a problem with Crusade.dm, where Shrine of Sombre recruits unit 2890 instead of 2891. It probably wants fixing.

I don't know if that's an issue with the original mod pre-merge, or llamabeast's merging perl.

[llamabeast]

Well it's meant to recruit bog beasts, which is why it's called the Shrine of Sombre (Sombre always talks about bog beasts), and hence should be a land site. Unfortunately I don't have the DB here to check the unit numbers.

As for diplomacy I am all for Machiavellian, i.e. you can break NAPs if you want, and people cannot get annoyed with you as a player (although they can of course get annoyed with your nation and pretender!). It's up to Amonchakad to decide though.

[Gregstrom]

Well it's meant to recruit bog beasts, which is why it's called the Shrine of Sombre (Sombre always talks about bog beasts), and hence should be a land site. Unfortunately I don't have the DB here to check the unit numbers.


2890 and 2891 are copies of the sea serpent and bog beast respectively - both are defined within the dm file. It's about 30 seconds' worth of fix - I could post up a corrected file if desired.

[chrispedersen]

Also, I don't know if we're using legends or not, but I can tell you with 10+1, it was decidely cramped in my test games.

I don't mind - but others may ..

[Dragar]

i tested legends as well, start positions were pretty awful

[Aethyr]

I agree; perhaps a larger map would better?

[Kietsensei]

A good old Craddle of Dominion map perhaps?

[llamabeast]

Cradle is much too big IMO.

Land of Legends has 13 provinces/player, which is just about right. I would be against going for anything much bigger than 15 per player. It's also good in terms of the small sea. I haven't looked at the start positions though (though they can be fixed of course); one alternative might be elmokki's other map: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=43180

[Amonchakad]

Sorry guys,these 2 days I was really busy with my sister's birthday(she turned 18,was a big party); in about 6 hours everything's over here and I'll set everything up for the game:)

[Kietsensei]

Great I cannot wait to start this game :)
I don't mind playing on this map even if it may be crowded

[Aethyr]

Legends with fixed starts it is then.

[Amonchakad]

I'm back, and I fixed the Shrine of Sombre bug(updated the modfile).
I'm already preparing the Lands of Legends map with fixed starts, and will upload it soon.
If everyone's ready I'll create the game on the llamaserver as soon as the map's ready, and we can start as soon as Monday,if we all upload our pretender.

Regarding diplomacy, I think it's better that NAPs posted on the thread are respected, though nothing's stopping you from making secret pacts.

[llamabeast]

You can make the game even without the map so people can upload their pretenders, then upload the fixed map and switch to it later. Probably a good plan as it always takes people a while to upload.

[chrispedersen]

I've been sorta waiting for other people to make the suggestion:

has anyone checked the other sites? Did the mod combiner screw up any others?

[Kietsensei]

I haven't seen any other bug yet.
My pretender is ready to be uploaded ;)

[llamabeast]

Just to be clear the mod combiner doesn't screw up the sites as such, it just doesn't have the feature yet of fixing site recruitables. I'll add it when I get a chance. As for there being other issues - if you are worried, check them yourself! It is no easier for anyone else to do it.

My pretender's ready too!

[Amonchakad]

The game's on the server!

I've added the map with the fixed starts in the first post; remember that we all start in the outer ring, and that all the provinces of the island have the "many sites" flag.

So,send in your pretenders, and we can start:)

[shard]

Which mods do we need to design the pretender?

I'm considering taking Mictlan over Sauromatia; I'll probably decide after I play around with them a bit more

[llamabeast]

Just the Crusaders mod from the first post of this thread.

Thanks Amonchakad, pretender sent!

I didn't get a confirmation e-mail from the server when it received my pretender. Do people know whether this is a general bug?

[Kietsensei]

The pretender has been sent!
Remember to be kind if you see cute little mermaid trying to figure out how to walk on dry land :D

[Aethyr]

Just the Crusaders mod from the first post of this thread.

Thanks Amonchakad, pretender sent!

I didn't get a confirmation e-mail from the server when it received my pretender. Do people know whether this is a general bug?

I've not sent in my pretender yet, but I've neve failed to get a confirmation.

[Aethyr]

Ok--I've downloaded the Crusaders mod form the first post, but I do not see it as an option in the "mod preferences" in the dom3 menu. I do however see all of the individual mods in the first post (which I had downloaded previously). As long as I turn all of these on I'm good to go, right?

[Strabo]

Oops... Sorry, i have uploaded wrong pretender, can i have it deleted?

[llamabeast]

Aethyr: No, you should make sure to use the Crusaders mod as the unit numbers are different. However it's just like any other mod, so as long as you've put it in the right directory you should be able to find it. It doesn't have a graphical banner, which makes it a little harder to spot in the list.

[llamabeast]

Strabo: Just send in a new one and it will overwrite the first one (assuming it's the same nation).

[chrispedersen]

Noooo I volunteered to take TC only so long as there *wasn't* a mictlan.......

[Aethyr]

Aethyr: No, you should make sure to use the Crusaders mod as the unit numbers are different. However it's just like any other mod, so as long as you've put it in the right directory you should be able to find it. It doesn't have a graphical banner, which makes it a little harder to spot in the list.

I've downloaded the Cusaders3.rar from the first post, but i still cannot see this option in the list. Any suggestions? :confused:

[chrispedersen]

Adviso: Since it was looking *iffy* I uploaded Mictlan.

[shard]

Which mods do we need to design the pretender?

I'm considering taking Mictlan over Sauromatia; I'll probably decide after I play around with them a bit more

I posted the above when I looked over the first page to review the nations available, and noticed Mictlan wasn't there. Didn't realise you had made some provisos regarding your pick.

Whats the deal with Mictlan? End game Astral Corruption? Aaaanyway I'm not particular proficient/deficient in any given nation but I want to try new stuff with the mod so I'll take whatever priest/magically diverse race thats left

[Dragar]

Mictlan is just very strong EA, and Chris has a lot of experience with them. I don't really know how the mods will impact them - I'm sure Chris will though

[chrispedersen]

Which mods do we need to design the pretender?

I'm considering taking Mictlan over Sauromatia; I'll probably decide after I play around with them a bit more

I posted the above when I looked over the first page to review the nations available, and noticed Mictlan wasn't there. Didn't realise you had made some provisos regarding your pick.

Whats the deal with Mictlan? End game Astral Corruption? Aaaanyway I'm not particular proficient/deficient in any given nation but I want to try new stuff with the mod so I'll take whatever priest/magically diverse race thats left


In the EA, there are a few nations I put in the top tier of strength. Niefl. Mictlan. Sauromatia. Lanka, xHeim.
Since part of the idea was to test crusaders, I was willing to take tien chi - but as tienchi essentially plays with an identical bless to mictlan, but with cap only sacred troops, I'm not willing to go up against mictlan in the same scenario.

I was intrigued by the idea of playing a sleeping mother of rivers as TC.
The masters of the way can summon 5 of the new sacreds. Master of the dead another. So the mother of rivers could theorecticall help support 8-12 masters of the way per turn after year 1 - increasing TC's available sacreds significantly.

Since I was going to be using motw as summoning fodder, I was going to go with Magic -3: Not often seen, and a strong dominion. Since TC has available communions, as well as all magic boosters available to it, I was going to use those to counter the magic -3.

Not enough to counter mictlan, however.

Crusader actually makes Mictlan somewhat weaker; there are many spells targetted toward enemy sacreds; and there are many early magic spells which makes cross path answers to mictlan more available to other nations.

[Anthropos]

I would like to join you as Marverni.

[llamabeast]

chris: That's absolutely ridiculous, you can't go around deciding what nation everyone can and can't be. Otherwise I would join every EA game by saying; "I'll be Niefelheim. Nope, I'll be Mictlan but no-one can be Niefelheim. Nope, I'll be Hinnom, but no-one can be Mictlan" and so on.

I'm not quite sure what would be the correct way of solving the situation now. If I were you I'd just stick to T'ien Ch'i - it should be great fun in CPCS, you're not particularly likely to come up against Mictlan, and anyway you've got an advantage in experience.

Anthropos: I think you might be too late unfortunately, although Amonchakad is the one to say for sure.

[Amonchakad]

Aethyr: all you have to do is unpack the content of the .rar file in your "mods" directory inside the Dominions folder; then you'll find the Crusaders mod inside the in-game mod list(as llama said,it has no image next to it, so it may be difficult to spot). Are you sure that you've unpacked the .rar file after downloading it?

chris: Well, to be honest I didn't like either that you were just keeping some nations "reserved": I too think that you should stick to TC.

Anthropos: I'm sorry but we cannot accept you, the map is already tight with 12 players, and adding 1 more now would probably mean having to change map and postponing the game start by several days.

[Aethyr]

Amonchakad: the .rar file in my mod directory appears to be a 1.95MB file; however, when I *click* on it, I am not given an option to exract any files. I have downloaded/unpacked plenty of mods before and I've never experienced this.

Re chris: thanks, I was waiting for someone to point this out.

[llamabeast]

To point which out?

Anyway for the mod: I think the problem is that you don't have WinRAR: http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm (you probably want the top one). rar files are an alternative to zip files, but an unrar program isn't packaged with windows like WinZip is.

[Aethyr]

Llama: Actually your point re: nation selection

Thanks for the assistance with the mod. I'm good to go now.

[chrispedersen]

chris: That's absolutely ridiculous, you can't go around deciding what nation everyone can and can't be.

Llama, I had said mictlan in my original post. The game had gotten to the desired 12 players, with all nations chosen, and it looked as if we were headed for an immediate start.

If you read the original post, as well as burnsaber's it is stated that part of the purpose of the game is to test the mods. (ie., how many games do you know where 'if something is unfair we'll change it in mid-game' is a condition of the game?).

Since that was the case *and* the game was full (ie, nations already picked) I said I would switch to Arco/TC if there was no Mictlan because those two nations can test out the spells better.

As soon as shard said he was contemplating switching to mictlan (Ie., would pick which one he liked better, after playing with them,) I said forget it, I'll just go with my original choice.

Logically there are two possible standards:
1. No one can switch nations. In which case I'm mictlan.
2. First come first serve - in which case I'm still mictlan.

However, if you (or shard) think I was unethical or wrong in how I approached this (although how it can be a problem to say I'm willing to play TC as long as there's no mictlan) I'm willing to just drop, with no hard feelings on my side.

[Gregstrom]

FWIW, I'm with llama on this one too. Changing nation selection at the last minute is normally okay (I'd say the host would be well within their rights to veto it), but doing it on the condition that no-one else takes the nation you've just dropped is unreasonable. And going back on that change (to the extent of pre-emptively blocking even the possibility of shard changing nation choice) the moment something you don't like happens is to my mind definitely unreasonable.

[Gregstrom]

(curse this edit limit!)

Btw, Shard: It looks like you are interested in blood nations with sacreds. Take a look at Lanka too - if you like them, they'll be available to you.

[Aethyr]

FWIW, I'm with llama on this one too.
Concur.

[llamabeast]

chris and I were PMing a little earlier. Anyway, the conclusion seems to be that he was a bit bewildered that people (notably me I guess) objected to his nation-choice thingy, and certainly had no ill intentions so I guess it was just a mismatch in perceptions of what seemed reasonable. Unfortunately he's decided the best thing would be to pull out of the game (with no hard feelings). I was a bit surprised by that and tried to persuade him to play, but he reckons that's the best plan.

I was expecting him to post here to say that but he hasn't, so hopefully he was expecting me to.

Maybe Anthropos could play after all.

Anyway everyone, get your pretenders in! shard, what nation are you going to play? Sounds like Mictlan's free if you fancy it.

[llamabeast]

If anyone has a spare moment it might be handy to PM the missing players to let them know to send their pretenders in.

[Amonchakad]

I PMed all the ones who have yet to submit their pretender(though the forum doesn't allow me to PM myself:p) and asked Anthropos if he still wants to join; I think we should give him a day or so to answer, and then either find a replacement or play in 11.

[shard]

Aaaah... I didn't mean to cause a fuss. I'll just stick to my original post and play Sauromatia where my uber prophet will do the holy site searching!

[Pelthin]

Got my pretender in. :)

[Anthropos]

I will be joining you.
Will put in a pretender by 15:00 Pacific time June 24th (today).

ps: Sorry for not reading the entire thread before I posted to join.

[Amonchakad]

Just a note: I uploaded a new version of the game map to the first post( as well as changing the one used on the llamaserver).
I've just tweaked a little the start locations; I don't know wether you have to download it again(it surely won't affect the pretenders), but if you find any errors when the game starts,try that first.

[llamabeast]

We don't have to download it again (assuming you didn't change the image file). The .map file is only used by the host, and the players only need the image file.

[Anthropos]

I would like to join as EA TC.

[llamabeast]

Go for it.

[Kietsensei]

In case we are ready to start, I just wanted to tell you I won't be able to play the whole saturday as I will be out during the week end. I will be able to give my order on sunday so if we could just hold the turn on saturday. I don't want to postpone the start of the game so if we can begin today or tomorrow that will be great.

[Amonchakad]

...the game just disappeared from the llamaserver.
It isn't in the "waiting for pretenders" games nor in the "running" games.
Double you tee eef?

[llamabeast]

Fixed! The map name with the space (and brackets!) was too much for it. I'll add that to my to-fix list...

[Amonchakad]

Great!

The game is now officialy on!

Good fun and have luck everyone!:D

No wait... :p

[Pelthin]

The Great Buddha has risen in the this land and all must die to feed his craving.


:)

Yomi is Yummy for Buddha

[Gregstrom]

One thing about Land of Legends; some of the start positions SUCK!!!!

Never mind though - I'm sure it won't affect my progress much.

[Pelthin]

Stay away from those Tarts! They will really take away your productivity.

hehe..Sorry couldn't resist.

[Gregstrom]

I wish I hadn't corrected that post now :)

[Pelthin]

I wish I hadn't corrected that post now :)

No problem, maybe people will think I am insane and not attack me now.

Cute kid. Or are you some DOM 3 Prodigy and that is a self portrait.

:)

[llamabeast]

I am getting rabid impatience for the next turn now! Must stop checking e-mail... I do know it's likely to be the best part of a day at least - but I want the next turn!

[Pelthin]

I am getting rabid impatience for the next turn now! Must stop checking e-mail... I do know it's likely to be the best part of a day at least - but I want the next turn!

Umm.. Maybe you could use your Awesome Llama power and speed up time or something. :eek:

[llamabeast]

Maybe I could use my Awesome Llama power and write my stupid thesis...

[Pelthin]

Uh Oh someones got a case of the umm... I don't have anything good.

Did you write it on something fun, like the birth rates of the fruit fly when only potatoes are available?

Just kidding, hope you have a fun time writing and researching and writing and defending.. :angel

[Gregstrom]

Thesis? You don't need one of those,surely?


Cute kid. Or are you some DOM 3 Prodigy and that is a self portrait.

:)

Oh no, I've been found out! Or maybe not. It's my daughter in a classic Evil Mastermind pose, with added red-eye.

[Pelthin]

hehe.. I have three girls and ho boy... My middle one is only 2 and she is a little gremlin. :)

[Gregstrom]

Oh, don't I know that feeling. Mine's 22 months and she's worked out climbing things is fun... and so is being naughty.

[shard]

Maybe I could use my Awesome Llama power and write my stupid thesis...

I stopped all games for a year so I could actually finish writing MY stupid thesis mwahahahahaha

[Dragar]

Sorry llama, I won't be able to log in for another 10 hours or so

[Pelthin]

Budda has scented the air, and feels the need to declare a Prophet.

The Great Prophet of Budda shall march forth and reform the heathens around this great map.

Soon everyone will bow to the demonic power of Yomi in divine bliss.

[Kietsensei]

Oceania is not surprised to learn that such a nation as the Yomi chose a bandit leader as the representant of their god.

[Pelthin]

The Great Budda is not amused by the jokes of the fishmen.

You have been warned to not tempt the fate of the Great Budda and his representative.

[Kietsensei]

Our Arch bishop has forseen your doom. But the funniest is that it won't be your ennemy who will be responsible of the disappearance of the Yomi. Be careful with your own slave, the small gobelins as one day they will be strong enough to put an end to your nation

Anyway, do not worry Buddha, I am not going to bother you anymore. A natural barrier is separating our two nation and we each have our own problem to solve in the vicinity of our capitol.

[Pelthin]

Our Arch bishop has forseen your doom. But the funniest is that it won't be your ennemy who will be responsible of the disappearance of the Yomi. Be careful with your own slave, the small gobelins as one day they will be strong enough to put an end to your nation

Anyway, do not worry Buddha, I am not going to bother you anymore. A natural barrier is separating our two nation and we each have our own problem to solve in the vicinity of our capitol.

Fishlips talks funny to Budda, But the great Budda will allow them to kiss the feet of Budda and walk away.

Budda accepts the apology of the fishlips and will not devour the souls of the little fishys right away, as you amuse Budda.
:doh:

:D

[Kietsensei]

As I said in a past post, I will be away this saturday. Is it possible to set up the end of turn 4 for sunday 16:00 GMT?

[Amonchakad]

As I said in a past post, I will be away this saturday. Is it possible to set up the end of turn 4 for sunday 16:00 GMT?

Yes, of course. As soon as turn 3's done, i'll delay turn 4.

[shard]

R.I.P Curran of Tir na Og, whatever you may be.

Oh and 20x Amazons and Nightmares. Do they hurt??

[Gregstrom]

Nightmares can be pretty rough on your troops if they have less than superb morale. Amazons are basically elite medium infantry.

[llamabeast]

'Twas a nasty turn for Tir na n'Og. Two defeats. :( Shouldn't have pushed my luck.

[Lavaere]

Hmmm, Formoria and Lanka have already meet. Thought I'd get a couple turns before meeting anyone

[Gregstrom]

Me too. Oh well.

[Pelthin]

Buddha has forseen these events, but did not want to tip his pudgy little fingers.

Buddha is most pleased with the misfortune of others.

:re:

[Kietsensei]

Hello everyone, finally I am back sooner than expected so we shouldn't have to wait too long before turn 5 starts :)

Thank you for having delayed the game!

[Lavaere]

The Fomorian Overlords formally declare war on Lanka. May there skulls pave our road to victory.

[Kietsensei]

Will the mighty palanshaka be able to stop the numerous nemedian warriors?
Our prince Snireth Ko, commander of the knightly order of the Deep seeks wisdom through The Old Man of the Sea and it seems that Lanka won't be able to repel the nimble nemedians.
That is why, even though Oceania's sympathy goes to Lanka, we are betting 1 water gem on Fomoria ;)

[llamabeast]

Apologies for being the weakest link everyone. I unplannedly spent the weekend at my parents' (popped up and ended up staying), but foolishly had no copy of dominions. I've taken my turn now and will take another in a sec.

[Amonchakad]

While looking at my turn today, I noticed that lands 50 and 6 are neighbours, when they obviously shouldn't be. Now, is it only on my version(unlikely) or do we all see it? If so, is there a way to modify the map mid-game? Else we'll just all have to agree not to use it.

[Dragar]

must be a wormhole

[Aethyr]

In the land of legends anything is possible.

[Amonchakad]

Hello everyone, please read this (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=43486): I'm also going to need someone to take over the role of game admin for this week(or even after it if they feel like it, though it's not a problem for me to take it back:)); my apologies for this accident, I hope that there won't be any problems.

[llamabeast]

I'll be admin for the week. It's easy as I don't need the password and I have the forum posts e-mailed to me anyway (incidentally, IMHO everyone should do this).

[shard]

I should hopefully be sending in my turn today, after which I'll require a 24hr extension as I'll be in the air.

[Anthropos]

Dear Various and Sundry Emperors, Pretenders, Captains, Colleagues and Scoundrels,

The Imperial Diplomatic corps is now open for business and would be happy to provide you with a cup of tea as we discuss how your interests are best aligned with that of the Celestial Emperor.

Please submit any applications for discourse here.

[Aethyr]

The Lords of Shadow do not discuss such matters in public. :)

[Anthropos]

By hear, I meant by private message to Anthropos our errand boy ...

The Lords of Shadow do not discuss such matters in public. :)

[Pelthin]

Buddha is pleased to announce that the flying horses of Arcoscephale are an abomination and need to be eradicated from the world.

Buddha has delegated this destruction to a few trusted generals and will take petitions from all that will be ignored.

Have a good day.

Buddha of Yomi

[GrudgeBringer]

I am taking Arco over and got the game files but when I loaded the game it says I need the 'Crusader Mod'.

Where can I get that Mod or do I have to load ALL the mods in this game?

If so I need a linl to them.

[Amonchakad]

Check the first post;)

[GrudgeBringer]

Well I D/l the Crusaders file (its a RAR file) and put it in my mods file but I can't open it.

I am used to extract the files into the Mod file and no problems. I'm not sure what RAR files do.

Also, i don't have the map it seems like.

I am not that computer literate so this may get too confusing just to get it started so Yomi can take it over.

[Aethyr]

GB--see note below


Anyway for the mod: I think the problem is that you don't have WinRAR: http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm (you probably want the top one). rar files are an alternative to zip files, but an unrar program isn't packaged with windows like WinZip is.

[GrudgeBringer]

Thanks, that worked...

It won't mess up win I try to extrat the regular way will it?

[Pelthin]

Well I D/l the Crusaders file (its a RAR file) and put it in my mods file but I can't open it.

I am used to extract the files into the Mod file and no problems. I'm not sure what RAR files do.

Also, i don't have the map it seems like.

I am not that computer literate so this may get too confusing just to get it started so Yomi can take it over.

While Buddha likes the attitude displayed by GrudgeBringer, he does not condone counting your horses with the wings pulled off prior to the wingless horses being made umm... Wingless..

Hrumpf.. Buddha has said enough..Please quake in fear after reading this.

Buddha of Yomi

[Aethyr]

Thanks, that worked...

It won't mess up win I try to extrat the regular way will it?

No, you should be good to go--its just a different tool as I understand it.

BTW, welcome to the game!

[Aethyr]

The Lords of Helheim have re-named their home "no rock" as appaently there is not a single earth site in all the land. :(

Rumors that the dwarves were seen wandering aimlessly after listenting to the ramblings of Buddha have not been confirmed.

[Pelthin]

The Lords of Helheim have re-named their home "no rock" as appaently there is not a single earth site in all the land. :(

Rumors that the dwarves were seen wandering aimlessly after listenting to the ramblings of Buddha have not been confirmed.

Buddha does not ramble.. He lectures and people do not understand..

[llamabeast]

Do we think shard still needs a 24 hr extension? I've got a bit lost...

[Aethyr]

IIRC, this is the turn Shard needed the extension for...

[llamabeast]

Okay, done. Everyone else still take your turns quickly if you can, so when shard lands we can get on.

[Kietsensei]

The weather is getting very hot outside of the ocean. Don't you think it would be a wonderful thing if all the lands were covered by water and everyone live peacefully in the coldness of the ocean? :cool:

[GrudgeBringer]

I am subbing in for Arco for a week and as a good will offering for us yanks on our holiday, to GIVE PEACE A CHANCE!!!!

Thank you Yomi, that is all.....

[shard]

the shard has landed.

[Gregstrom]

Bother - Lavaere must be busy or something. I'd love to see the next turn.

[Lavaere]

Don't worry turn is in now. And not busy, just totally forgot to send in turns

[Gregstrom]

No worries. I'm guessing it wasn't a very time-consuming turn anyway. :evil:

[Lavaere]

You'll be surprised how time-consuming it can be. You want to get just the right amount breaking a siege

[Gregstrom]

Very true, although I sometimes find that massive overkill is a viable alternative.

[Anthropos]

I somehow forgot to email in the turn I completed yesterday.
I am at work today and will not be back to my gaming machine till this evening.

If possible, please delay hosting till I get that turn in this evening.

Sorry for the oversight.

Bye for now,
Anthropos (TC)

[llamabeast]

I postponed hosting by 10 hours. Will that be enough?

[Anthropos]

Yes.
Many thanks.

[GrudgeBringer]

Gentlemen, I am subbing for Arco and received turn 12 which I sent in and it shows I did NOT stale. Howewer, I have nOT received turn 13 yet for some reason.

Could whoever is Admin please resend it to me or PM me if for some reason you need my E-mail address agian.

Thanks GrudgeBringer:confused:

[llamabeast]

I've asked the server for a resend GB. However, it's useful for you to know that you can do it yourself. The link is on the bottom of the game page on the LlamaServer ("Request turn resend").

[llamabeast]

Oh! But the e-mail address is set to Amonchakad's! Now I don't understand how you got last turn... let me see if I can find your e-mail address somewhere (if you see this PM it to me, but don't post it here or you will start getting spam).

[llamabeast]

Okay! I found your e-mail address, and requested a resend again. You should get the turn in the next few minutes.

[shard]

Out of curiousity is there any way at all to remotely site search for holy sites? Or a relatively cheap summon that has at least H2?

[llamabeast]

No, there's no remote search spell.

Telestic animates have H2 I think, but then they can't move so they're not a whole lot of use.

It's all about your prophet basically I think.

[Gregstrom]

That's interesting - Holy war: Priests and Sacreds is supposed to boost national holy priests.

Pretty much every other nation with only H1 access gets bumped to H2 somewhere, and I'm very surprised that Sauro hasn't.

[llamabeast]

Have we included that part of the mod? I'm a bit confused about it, but can't see it in the mod, and Tir na n'Og isn't changed.

[Gregstrom]

Ah. I hadn't thought about that - good point. I can only assume I was in Unsanity mode when I posted that. I even went as far as checking Priests and Sacreds, and Sauro hasn't been boosted in there.

[Aethyr]

I have to take a work related road trip so I am requesting a 4 hour extension for the current turn. Thanks

[llamabeast]

Done!

[Gregstrom]

@shard: It looks like Sauro's priests were meant to be H2 in Priests and Sacreds, but it didn't quite get put in the mod. That's unfortunate, I'd say.

[Burnsaber]

Out of curiousity is there any way at all to remotely site search for holy sites? Or a relatively cheap summon that has at least H2?

Sorry about that. It seems that I remembered to decrese the cost of Oiorpatas but forgot to up the holy levels on the priest. Well, you can find all common magic sites with a H1 priests. Then, several of the common sites allow you to recruit H2 priests (like Preacher & Templar Abbot).

But you know, if you happen to have a province with mysteriously increasing order & magic & luck scales, it might be worthwhile to check that out with a prophet. Then you'll have all the priests you need.

[shard]

I've found a couple of cool sites, i just wanted to be sure I get them all :D

Thanks for the tip about the scales

[GrudgeBringer]

Llamabeast,

If you happen to drift by here I just wanted you yo know your IN box for messages is full.

[llamabeast]

Yep, just fixed it. Can you PM me again?

[Gregstrom]

Our prince Snireth Ko, commander of the knightly order of the Deep seeks wisdom through The Old Man of the Sea and it seems that Lanka won't be able to repel the nimble nemedians.
That is why, even though Oceania's sympathy goes to Lanka, we are betting 1 water gem on Fomoria ;)

I'll be expecting that gem to arrive shortly. The Fomorian people are now extinct, which explains why you don't see them in MA. Well, they're extinct except for a single Fomorian Giant who saw the error of his ways and fought with the Lankans to liberate his home from an oppressive regime.

[Kietsensei]

Oceania has only one word and we will deliver a water gem to you :)
I am sure it was this Fomorian giant traitor who opened the gate of the capitol to your invading forces.

[llamabeast]

The shadows are moving...

[Gregstrom]

Oceania has only one word and we will deliver a water gem to you :)
I am sure it was this Fomorian giant traitor who opened the gate of the capitol to your invading forces.

Quite possibly, although the horde of walking corpses must have helped.:rip:

Thanks for a good game, Lavaere. You did have me worried at times, and there were some tough battles in there. I've learnt a couple of useful lessons.

[Lavaere]

damn dirty giant / damn dirty apes

[Gregstrom]

Our monkeys are already busy half-burying the Colossus of Fomoria on a handy shoreline, for the entertainment of future generations. :D

[llamabeast]

Added 14 hours for Pelthin, whose travel plans got disrupted.

[shard]

Well Aethyr, that was a blatant breaking of the NAP which you were so keen on.

I'd suggest that other nations in Helheim's vicinity to be extra careful - he can sail and he has far-ranging stealthy flying thugs with bodyguards. Particularly potent with a leader who disregards diplomatic agreements.

[Aethyr]

Shard,

I have sent you a PM clarifying your misconception (which I note you have chosen not to respond to); we never had a NAP.

To the nations of the land: Sauro's arrogance has made him vunerable. Those of you who share a border with him will never have a better chance to take down this mighty foe.

We are committed to his destruction; join us and keep what you take.

The Lords of Shadow

[shard]

The emissaries and diplomats of Sauromatia, perhaps naive and unwise to the silver tongues of the Lord of Shadow, nevertheless do try to take great care in their penmanship. This does mean however that replies aren't always instantaneous, particularly when previous records have to be sifted through.

We stand by our statements.

We have reason to be aggrieved, and consider Helheim to be our mortal foes at this juncture, despite what seems to be an alliance with Oceania and Tien Chi. For those taking an interest, rather than consider us a 'mighty foe', we humbly suggest that you may also view us as strong, steadfast allies.


The High Witchking

[Aethyr]

Of course you stand by your statements, why should anyone expect otherwise?

The simple facts are that you rejected our offer, and while we were still discussing "counter proposals" which we earnestly emplored you to consider, you took the territory that our offer was contingent upon.

You do indeed have reason to be aggrieved: you have under estimated us. We deem the nations of the land to be too wise to be deceived by your pathetic ploy. Through your naked aggression you have shown the wind. Now, the whirlwind comes.

[llamabeast]

Delayed hosting for shard.

Also I am going away for a couple of days. Hopefully Sombre is going to sub for me (although he doesn't know that).

[Anthropos]

I would like to request that whenever Sauromatia gets his turn in, we process that one, but that the next hosting not take place before midnight pacific time on monday. I am going out of email range.

Many thanks,
Anthropos

[shard]

ah sorry i'm still at the airport, flights been delayed - some overblown rubbish about swine flu qurantine. If Llama or sombre reads this i'd need a 6hr delay on the timer.

Otherwise... well, prolly wont too make much of a difference in the larger scheme of things ttul

[Sombre]

Yarp, I'm subbing for llama in tirnanog until he gets back.

[Amonchakad]

Well...that's what I'd call luck, shard. I just turned the pc on and noticed the hosting was due in 3 minutes, and you didn't send your turn. I barely managed to delay it by 6 hours:D
Anyway I'm back, and beside retaking arcoscephale (thanks grudge for the subbing) I can admin again.

[shard]

oh darnit! ur just forestalling my doom!

sending in my turn soonish

[Aethyr]

Hmmm....

I can see that the turn hosted on the LLamserver site, but I did not get a turn file. What's up?

[Amonchakad]

Hmmm....

I can see that the turn hosted on the LLamserver site, but I did not get a turn file. What's up?

No clue...try asking for a turn resend from the game page.

[Aethyr]

Got it--thanks

[Kietsensei]

I am going on vacation from the 13th to 28th of July. It won't prevent me from playing (I hope...) especially since we will have a 48h time after turn 20. however as I will be travelling on Monday I would like to ask to delay the next turn (turn 20) by 24h to Tuesday evening GMT.
Many thanks and sorry about the bothering.

[Sombre]

I'd love to not have to take this turn tonight, when I'm really tired - I've been real busy with all kinds of stuff and the timer expires tomorrow before I can come back from work. But I don't have the admin password to postpone the turn and llama isn't about.

I think I'll have to take the turn and hope the timer is extended and I get a chance to resubmit when I'm less tired :/

[Sombre]

Oop, sorry, llama isn't the admin on this one. Well I'd still love the turn extension, even by like 3 hours.

[Kietsensei]

To all the land dwellers,

The nation of Oceania is looking for water gems and would like to trade them for nature gems. If someone is interested, you are welcome to meet our representative in our private office to discuss about the numbers.

[shard]

I think this is the turn Anthropos needs a delay as well.

Amonchakad is the admin again now.






I would like to request that whenever Sauromatia gets his turn in, we process that one, but that the next hosting not take place before midnight pacific time on monday. I am going out of email range.

Many thanks,
Anthropos

[Amonchakad]

As of Kiet's request, I postponed the hosting to tuesday evening.
Also, I've turned quickhost off for the moment, so the game doesn't accidentaly process with sombre's bad turn.
Sombre, when you've resubmitted your turn, let me know, so i'll turn quickhost on again:)

[Sombre]

Will definitely have done by the end of today.

[llamabeast]

I'm back!

[Amonchakad]

Erm...did sombre(or llama) resubmit tir's turn? Can i host the game now?

[llamabeast]

Yep! Good to go.

[Amonchakad]

Ok:) Hosting has also been changed to 48h, as it's turn 20.

[llamabeast]

Gaah! Foolish sidhe, missing when trying to bless their troops! Two needless massacres in a single turn!

[Burnsaber]

Ok, I'm out of the game. Next Turn, I'll set myself AI.

Well played T'ien C'hi. Prepare for a suprise next turn :D . I really liked how you got my phoenix out of the equation in the last combat. I really should have given the bird some magical attack, eh?

Amonchakad, you probably should take another look in the starting provinces if you use the same map again sometime. I ended up on a island with only 2 land neighbours and 3 water neighbours, which really limited my Ancient One production. (And of course my dominion kept on spreading into the underwater neighbours, which made my phoenix useless for expansion.) I'm not bitter or anything, s*** happens, but it's something you should be aware of.

And all of you, please give feedback if you find something out of place or feel that something is under/overpowered. Together we make the modding community a better place!

[Gregstrom]

You're not alone on the starting position misery, Burnsaber. My start position also had only 2 land neighbours.

[shard]

I'd like to request a 24hr delay, something's come up at work and I won't be home.


Its been a blast so far, being the '1' in a 5v1 pile-on can be exhilarating in a sadistic, fun way.

[llamabeast]

Happened to see this, so done (hope you don't mind Amonchakad).

[Gregstrom]

Could I ask for a 48 hour extension on next turn? I'm attending a wedding over the weekend.

[Amonchakad]

Could I ask for a 48 hour extension on next turn? I'm attending a wedding over the weekend.

It shall be done.

[Anthropos]

I submit my turn 27, however I wont get to 28 until monday.
Once Amon gets back I think we wil be in synch, bu tplease dont host 28 until 6pm PST monday.

[shard]

To the Lords of the Land,

The Immortal 'F3S2E2W2S2' of T'ien Chi is no more, grounded to dust by the valiant defenders of Sauromatia. It is a pity that he of the imaginative name will not be reborn in his capital to convey the message that the partitioning of Sauromatia will not be a straightforward matter. While superior troops and strategy continue to stymie the brute force brought to bear against our lands it will only be a matter of time before the numbers will tell and we will fall.

As such, knowing its inevitable end, Sauromatia, given the straightforward incentive of gold, will more than happily concentrate her remaining might towards one of her aggressors.



High Witch King of Sauromatia

[Anthropos]

High master Wong has left for a meditation retreat somewhere west of Sauromatia.
Reports of his death are greatly exxagerated.

T'ien Chi's difficulties in that area of the continent are clearly caused by the high rate of turmoil and trouble with some invading trolls.

[Anthropos]

I would like to ask if we could delay hosting until midnight pacific time tonight.

[Aethyr]

To the Lords of the Land:

Sauromatia's defense of his lands has indeed been valiant. The fact that he has been able to maintain a defense for so long against so many underscores our original point: this is a mighty foe, and there will never be a more opportune time to take him down.

Do not be seduced by his dying promises. Do whatever you can to keep the pressure up and make him defend multiple fronts. Let us slay this beast.

[Dragar]

requesting a 12 huor delay, it's me birthday party and I have no time to do turns!

[Amonchakad]

requesting a 12 huor delay, it's me birthday party and I have no time to do turns!

Done. Happy birthday!:D

[Burnsaber]

I'm going to update CPCS (CrossPathCombatSpells) soon, which is in use in this game. If anyone has anything to say about the spells added, I'd appreciate if it was posted on the mod thread (see my signature for link). The idea of the mod is to make randoms more exciting and allow for more tactics on the battlefield. If you view some spell as too strong/weak/hard to use just drop a word to the mod thread so that I can fix the issue.

And if any of you have ideas for new cool spells, I invite you to suggest them. I'm often replacing spells in the mod if I notice that they aren't working as imagined they would.

[shard]

Dragar: Happy belated birthday. I hope you enjoyed the flayed corpses of the burning ones i sent over :angel

Burnsaber: Don't forget H2 on Sauromatia! I've got feedback on some of the other spells too but i'll wait a wee bit longer and let my invaders enjoy the fun.

And those were fun battles this turn eh, my dear sirs from Helheim and Oceania? My modus operandi now is to just make sure none of my invaders don't win this darn game :envy:

[Dragar]

there's just no respect for birthdays these days.. ;)

[Kietsensei]

The battle on Sauromatia was indeed a good one and I really enjoyed the final result. All my congratulations to the winner ;).

[Aethyr]

@ Sauro: A well fought battel indeed sir. :)

[Aethyr]

Lords of the land beware, we can no longer maintain the seige at Sauro's capitol. He is loose, and he is very strong.

[shard]

eh... i dunno about that, he is playing by ear doing his turns rather fatalistically 40 minutes before the deadline on his netbook on the way to work. Somewhat reminiscent of speed chess days :p


Ooops, oh yeah back into my dark cloak and skull face mask...

The High Witchking will not go down other than with a mountain of his foes' corpses. And as its looking to be a big mountain, he'll have to separate little sections for Helheim, Abysia, Oceania, Tienchi and Tir Na Og. It is unfortunate that some have gotten cold feet and have resorted to stealth and remote controlled earthquakes, little chance for glorious slaughter there.

[llamabeast]

I'd like to request a 24 hour extension.

And... I've granted it myself (so don't do anything Amonchakad).

Sorry for slowing things down.

[Amonchakad]

I'd like to request a 24 hour extension.

And... I've granted it myself (so don't do anything Amonchakad).

Sorry for slowing things down.

The advantages of having llama in the game you're administrating - not to be undervalued:p

Good luck with finding a sub.

[Burnsaber]

Sorry for spamming these messages, but I'm going to update Holy War mod soon, which is in use in this game. If anyone has anything to say about the changes in this mod, I'd appreciate if it was posted on the mod thread (see my signature for link). There are other mods in this game that also change stuff, but the workings of the Holy War mod are easy to spot.

1) All of the new holy sites are from this mod. Are they too common? Are the recruits too good? Too weak?
2) All of the new researchable pure holy combat spells are from this mod. "Chastice", "Faith Healing" and "Smite Heretic" are from this mod too. Are they usable? Are they enough to warrant recruiting some priests after turn 20? Could they be too strong even?
3) How about the summons (a'k'a "Call Guardian of X" spells)? They're not meant to be game-breaking, just generally useful.
4) How about the common indy-priest nerf? People okay with it?

Here is a list of changes I'm already committed to doing, just in case.

- Add amonchakad's description fixes
- Templar Abbot should be cheaper 100gp->70gp
- Explain the lack of sacred status on Wardens trough description text.
- Buff Sauromatian's H1 priest to H2.
- Replace Warrior Monk's Chi Kicks, due to CBM giving the "Chi Kick" weapon +4def.
- Due to some nice modding trick, I'll likely be able to make Preachers drop to H1 casters in combat, allowing me to reduce their ridicilious encumberance.


If you don't want to give feedback because it might reveal some stragetic secrets, just PM or e-mail me. Getting all the needed fixes to the next version would make my life a lot easier.

[llamabeast]

Gaah, having already postponed the game so I could take the turn, now my computer is not working properly so I can't take it anyway. I've sent the turn to Baalz, who will in any case be subbing for me from tomorrow till September 3rd. I've put some more time on the clock (sorry to delay things further), put hopefully the turn will process soon if Baalz take my turn, and Arcoscephale also moves.

[Gregstrom]

Seeking F/W/E gems, can offer a range of items and gems from other paths (well, not S actually - I just don't expect anyone to have pearls for trade...)

[shard]

What is it with my armies scaring off invaders??? I'm looking to be quickly put out of my misery so I can join other games and you lot keep running off. Pledging to fight me to the death in glorious battle and running off when my capital gates were wide open was a bit of a letdown :D


On a totally unrelated note, what happens when you run out of gold?





Seeking F/W/E gems, can offer a range of items and gems from other paths (well, not S actually - I just don't expect anyone to have pearls for trade...)

[Aethyr]

It's called hit-and-run, and there will be fewer troops to fight once yours start to desert because you can't pay. :)

[Kietsensei]

What is it with my armies scaring off invaders??? I'm looking to be quickly put out of my misery so I can join other games and you lot keep running off. Pledging to fight me to the death in glorious battle and running off when my capital gates were wide open was a bit of a letdown :D


On a totally unrelated note, what happens when you run out of gold?





Seeking F/W/E gems, can offer a range of items and gems from other paths (well, not S actually - I just don't expect anyone to have pearls for trade...)

Yes we had to use this strategy against your mighty armies and try to bleed your economy as much as possible. Mermaid's naked soft skin cannot stand your deadly poisonous arrow ;)

[shard]

Cowards the lot of you!





What is it with my armies scaring off invaders??? I'm looking to be quickly put out of my misery so I can join other games and you lot keep running off. Pledging to fight me to the death in glorious battle and running off when my capital gates were wide open was a bit of a letdown :D


On a totally unrelated note, what happens when you run out of gold?





Seeking F/W/E gems, can offer a range of items and gems from other paths (well, not S actually - I just don't expect anyone to have pearls for trade...)

Yes we had to use this strategy against your mighty armies and try to bleed your economy as much as possible. Mermaid's naked soft skin cannot stand your deadly poisonous arrow ;)