Tourney of Champions - EvilHomer & 1 More wanted

[chrispedersen]

Start Positions: Fixed
Diplomacy: *NO*
Mods: Single Age, llamabanners, CBM1.41
HOF: 15
Special:40
Turn Limit: 50
Victory conditions: Most capitals on turn 50. Sudden death in case of a tie.
Map: RingWormAtlantis.

There will be *six* individual games. Each with the same starting positions. Each player will rotate through all six positions.

Each player can propose one nation. Sure, you can propose one of the traditional power houses. But you will only get to play them once. It might be better to choose one of the weaker nations - and demonstrate your mastery of all things dominions.

Victory Points will be totalled from all games. The individual who has the highest total VPs will be declared the winner of all six games, and hence will be the winner of the Tournament of Champions!

Please do not sign up for this game if you cannot afford the massive investment of time. For the first 10 turns this will be 1 day. Each 10 turns there after will afford 1 additional day.

All nations, all eras, are valid for this challenge! Game will be capped at 6 players the minimum for the HoF entries to be valid - and to keep turns moving as quickly as possible. First come first served.

So, I'll start the games off by choosing ... EA-Arcosephale.


Games....1(6).......2(6)).......3(6)).......4(6)). ......5(6)).......6(6)
===========================================
EA-Arco.Chris.....Frozen..............Jazzepi..JR77.. .....
??????.................Chris....Frozen............ jazzepi...JR77
MA-Marig.JR77.................chris......frozen...... ........jazzepi
LA-Ermor.Jazzepi..JR77..............chris.......froze n.........
??????..................Jazzepi...JR77............ ...chris....frozen
TirNa.......Frozen...............Jazzepi...JR77... ...........chris


Bold has uploaded.

[coobe]

if there is a humane hosting schedule, count me in as LA Atlantis

[chrispedersen]

if there is a humane hosting schedule, count me in as LA Atlantis

Delays in hosting upon request

[Squirrelloid]

I approve, but can't commit to 6 more games right now. Maybe next time? (Ha ha...)

If you're still looking for players by mid-August i'm totally there (here?).

[GrudgeBringer]

Grrrrrrrrrrr, If you hadn't chosen Arco I would give it a shot.

I really don't know many other nations...

Great Idea for a game, Good Luck!!!:D

[Squirrelloid]

Grrrrrrrrrrr, If you hadn't chosen Arco I would give it a shot.

I really don't know many other nations...

Great Idea for a game, Good Luck!!!:D

But you would play Arco (and 5 other nations). The whole point is that nation locations stay fixed, and players rotate through them, playing one game as each nation.

[Frozen Lama]

Chris- when are you hoping to start? I'm gone until the 25thish, but if it starts after that, i'm in.

[GrudgeBringer]

OH yeah....well I am still VERY poor at a LOT of nations, maybe you could use me as a practice dummy!!!:eek:

[chrispedersen]

Chris- when are you hoping to start? I'm gone until the 25thish, but if it starts after that, i'm in.

Tell you what Frozen, we'll pencil you in; and we'll hold the spot as long as possible. However, if someone else wants the spot, and the game is close to starting soon, I'll put them in instead.. cool?

Soo with that said, Grudge/Frozen: What nations would you like?

[Frozen Lama]

lets go for...... Tir na nOg

[GrudgeBringer]

OK give me Sauro

[GrudgeBringer]

Remember I will be playing ball out of town on weekends and will need an occasional extension until the middle of sept....if that will hold us back I will need to bow out.

Let me know...I could be a stand by in case you don't get enough if you want.

[Mozkito]

I see a LA Atlantis...So I will raise you a LA C'tis! (If you have room for one more that is ;))

[Jazzepi]

LA Ermor, PLZ. It wouldn't be a game without them.

Jazzepi

[Ironhawk]

Interesting game concept! Good luck with the game, I look forward to seeing the results!

[chrispedersen]

Ok, per what I told Frozen/Grudge; I would solicit people for a few more days. Otherwise we start with them!

I will set up the games today/tommorow, start getting your pretenders in!

[chrispedersen]

Interesting game concept! Good luck with the game, I look forward to seeing the results!

Iron,

Ya always like my concepts, but ya never play *in* them = )

[llamabeast]

Oh my goodness! 6 games!! I hope the map is small.

[llamabeast]

Oh my goodness! 6 games!! I hope the map is small.

[Jazzepi]

Er, one second. Is this 6 games running concurrently, or 6 games one after the other?

I definitely can not play 6 games running all at the same time D:

Jazzepi

[Frozen Lama]

I'm pretty sure they run one after the other.

Chrisp- I leave tomorrow for vacation, so you should probably recruit 1 more person

[Jazzepi]

Also, when you pick a map can you let us know? I like to try out my builds on the map itself to get a feel for them.

Also, please link to it as there are TWO world of geometries :*(

Jazzepi

[chrispedersen]

Well, I was hoping to run them all concurrently; to avoid bias due to people learning about the nations and the map.

Remember the games will all end on turn 50; so hopefully we avoid a lot of endgame madness

Also, we will give everyone enough time to get turns in.

With those considerations, what do you think Jazz/Frozen I'd like to try to do these concurrently. But I'm not inflexible.

Ideally, if you can spend 3 hours on a turn, it should matter whether it was one game or 6. We just have to extend the turn deadlines appropriately.

[Jazzepi]

I can't reasonably take on the responsibility of 6 games at once. I could probably swing 2, since they have a 50 turn limit cap, but 6 is too many. I tend to do a lot of research for my builds, and I usually draw up scenarios in practice games when I'm trying to figure out how someone else's units will fair against my own.

Jazzepi

[GrudgeBringer]

I must have misunderstood...

I thought we would play one game at a time and then rotate to the next Nation. We would in effect play 6 games but one right after the other.

From what I am reading here we are playing 6 games at one time. There is no way I can devote that much time in a bloc to D3.

I have a business to run and I am out of town on weekends playing ball.

Let me know if I am misunderstanding the setup.

However, my take on this is that we shouldn't know the map until we start the game. Why would I want to play someone who has already mastered that particular map and thier nation. But then I am not that good a player soI wouldn't know what I was doing anyway!!

[Frozen Lama]

well this is not good.....

6 games at once is pretty intense. I mean, if we have like a 72h timer on all of them, and give a ton of delays i suppose we could probably do it. I can do them at once, maybe, but i agree, that's a LOT of work. i also thought we rotated.

unfortunatly, i see this game dissolving realy quick. maybe we could compromise at like 2 or 3 games?

[chrispedersen]

This isn't a problem - I can go with whatever everyone ones whether its one - or six.

Why don't we all just say the maximum number of games we can do -And whoever is the lowest, we'll just peg it at that?

[Mozkito]

Doesn't matter to me! So when do we pick our other nations?

[chrispedersen]

you dont... nations are all picked... they are rotated.. see first post. Lets assume that we do two games.... #1 and 2.

[Jarkko]

If you gowith max two games at same time, then I would be interested in this :) If that would be the case and you have room for me, then I think one MA nation would be in order. Instead of my usual Pangaea ( :) ) I would in that case like to suggest MA Marignon :)

[Evilhomer]

I would be willing to play in this game if we do all 6 at once, that way it will not be such a long commitment.

[chrispedersen]

Yeah that was part of my thinking too evil homer. But 3 of the players have indicated 2 games max.

Comments anyone?

PS In the interests of starting earlier, it looks as if Jarrko will replace Frozen, pending comments.

[Evilhomer]

If we play them similtaniously we are looking at a commitment of 3-4 months. If we play 2 at a time we are most likely looking at a 9-12 month commitment. No way that all people will stick around that long. Also people that get killed off early will they show up 3 months later for next round ? I doubt it.

[chrispedersen]

If we play them similtaniously we are looking at a commitment of 3-4 months. If we play 2 at a time we are most likely looking at a 9-12 month commitment. No way that all people will stick around that long. Also people that get killed off early will they show up 3 months later for next round ? I doubt it.

All true.

I also do believe that the first 10 turns really could be done in a day, for all 6 games.

I rarely take more than 10-15 minutes for the first few turns. Even turn7-10... maybe 30. 30x6 = 3 hours.

So the first 10 turns = 10 days, 2nd = 20 days. 3rd = 30 days, 4th= 40 days, exciting action packed conclusion = 50 days.

150 days... 5 months.. I'm guessing.

But, whats more I figure that in some of the games, you are going to be getting trashed, just fighting to save 1 vp... so those turns will be short.

And lastly no diplomacy, no trading, no contact. No discussion. Its the honor system, but that ought to cut down game lengths as well.

But, lets hear what people say!

[Mozkito]

When you say it that way, It sounds like 6 at a time wouldn't be too bad.

[Jarkko]

Well, put it like that, 6 at same time would not be too horrible I guess. *However*, I for one would need quite a long time to design the pretenders for each nation, and I am not talking just a weekend for all six. I usually ponder pretender design for several days even for one game, not to mention how much I would need for *six* pretenders needed to be designed at the same go!

[GrudgeBringer]

I am very sorry but I think I would be asking for extensions and slowing the games down. I was just informed that we would also (besides the regular games out of town) be going to the Caymans to play Rugby for 10 days (tough job huh).

With that in mind there is no way I can take on a game that I would owe the other players my full attention, so I will be bowing out....sorry.

[chrispedersen]

hey grudge, say hi if you go through miami...

[GrudgeBringer]

if you hear a BIG YAHOOOOO, you know I am on my way!!!!:D

[Ironhawk]

Why dont you stagger the games so that you only have a couple running at a time? So, basically, you just start a new game every 15 turns or so.

Game 1 goes to turn 15 -> Start game 2
Game 1 goes to turn 30 -> Start game 3
Game 1 ends at turn 50 -> Stop game 1, Start game 4
etc

That way, you always have a game in different stages. One game will be early-game period (with low time requirements), the next mid-game, and the last late-game (high time requirements). Hopefully it should all even out, timewise.

[chrispedersen]

I'll work the map tomorrow, so we can get started on pretenders.

[Evilhomer]

Is there a spot open in this game ? If so I am willing to take it

[chrispedersen]

You're in evil homer. Grudge Dropped out.
What nation do you want?

[Jarkko]

On second thought, six new games is way too much for me. I've spent designing pretenders the past four days, and I am going mad by now. Not to mention LA Ermor has to be played, and I freaken *hate* my LA Ermor in the Heracles game :(

Sorry Chris, but I'll drop out.

[chrispedersen]

Dang monkey!

I had enjoyed you playing in Magellan was looking forward to it. I hope this still makes.. just spent couple hours on the map.....

[chrispedersen]

Maps are up, games are created on Llamaserver.

Please confirm you are in...

[Jazzepi]

If you still plan on doing 6 nations all at the same time, I'm dropping out.

Jazzepi

[Evilhomer]

Ironhawks rotating schedule sounds like it could work

[Jazzepi]

Ironhawks rotating schedule sounds like it could work

I agree.

Jazzepi

[Mozkito]

Ironhawks rotating schedule sounds like it could work

I agree.

Jazzepi

I'm with Jazzepi and Ironhawks on this one

[chrispedersen]

Sure, however, I do agree with homer that if a player loses the first 3 games, he is unlikely to continue. So what I am going to suggest is complicated, but a good suggestion along Ironhawks line.

We run the games staggered, and just process 10 turns for each.

So the schedule would be:

Games1 & 2: First 10 turns. then..
Games3&4 : First 10 turns
Games 5&6: First 10 turns.
Games 1&2 2nd 10 turns
Games 3&4 2nd 10 turns..
.
.
.
.
Once we hit turn 40, we process in groups of 2 - to keep the tension up, and to keep everyone trying... and uncertain who to gang up on.

Games 1&2: Turns 40&41
Gaems 3&4 Turns 40 & 41
Games 5&6 Turns 40 41
Games 1&2: Turns 42-43
Gaems 3&4 Turns 42-43
Games 5&6 Turns 42-43

And of course we adjust turn times as needed.

[Jazzepi]

That's unworkable complex. I just want to get my game turn, do it, and submit it.

If that's your "final product" for turn processing, I'm out.

Really, Chris, just make a decision already.

Jazzepi

[chrispedersen]

Jazz, I'm just trying to get 6 people. Lets assume we are using Ironhawks rules, lets start getting pretenders in!

[Jazzepi]

Jazz, I'm just trying to get 6 people. Lets assume we are using Ironhawks rules, lets start getting pretenders in!

Alright. I'll futz about with mine today.

Jazzepi

[Jazzepi]

Problem with the map. Province 23 is a "sea" province. It should clearly be a land province.

Jazzepi

[chrispedersen]

Thanks Jazz.

The map editor made a bunch of sea provinces.. I thought I had caught them all. Anyway Fixed now, updated in first post. I'm updating the new file to llama.

[Evilhomer]

Am in in this game or not ? and if so what nation =)

[chrispedersen]

You are in my man.

As with all competitors, you will rotate among all 6 nations.
Right now, you are scheduled to be EA- Sauromatia in the first game.

However, as no one has uploaded pretenders yet, you can change that within the next day or so. However, I'm not changing the map any further, so you have to choose a land nation if you wish to change.

[Jazzepi]

Chris, are you sure you fixed the map on the first post? I think it still has the sea province in spot 23

[chrispedersen]

Bump, yeah I'm sure I updated the front zip, and llama has graciously updated the Toc(x) games with the corrected .map.

So... start uploading!

[Jazzepi]

I'd like to recommend that we use CBM 1.5 if possible.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=43120

Jazzepi

[chrispedersen]

No, I predicated my pic of EA-Arcocephale on 1.41 and on the whole I don't like 1.5.

[Jazzepi]

Sent mine in.

1.5 is much better, but w/e. Shade beasts still cost 70 gems for 15, joy.

Jazzepi

[Jazzepi]

You guys need to submit pretenders, you especially Chris being as this is your game. Send in your first wave to

TO: pretenders@llamaserver.net
SUBJECT: ToC01
ATTACH: Your pretender file

Make sure that you create your pretender with the All Ages mod on, and pick MA, because your nation won't appear in any other age.

Jazzepi

[chrispedersen]

I have my first two pretenders done Jazz.. I'll upload them today or tomorrow. (Thanks for the bump tho).

Just remember, Frozen didn't get back till today.

Evil: Any word on changes or are you good to go with EA sauromatia?

[Frozen Lama]

wait, lucky i read this thread... at 1:30 in the morning. am i still in this game?? oh geez. give me a while. in 24h i will hopefully be ready. i left for vacation thinking Jarkko was in my spot. lol

[chrispedersen]

Hey Guys, Lets get pretenders in.. I've got 3 of mine done..

[Frozen Lama]

where can i get the map? the link on llamaserver seems to be unhelpful.

[chrispedersen]

First post has link to map as well.

[Frozen Lama]

:doh:

[Mozkito]

Im really sorry but Im going to have to back out of this one. I thought I had the time but school/work/traveling is kicking my ***. Im very very sorry guys :(

[chrispedersen]

Looks like we need one more.

[JR77]

I would like to join! With me I will like to bring the big, hungry Hinnom nation...

Great concept by the way. I feel very lucky to get a spot :)

[chrispedersen]

Ok.. guys - get your pretenders in.

[JR77]

We have found out, that Hinnom is probably a bit too powerful for this game setup. I will make another pretender when I get home from work. The nation will be... MA Marignon (if none objects). I have some experience with Marignon from Dom2, but have yet to field them in dom3 :)

[JR77]

Just in case you think you are waiting for me, I would like to note that I sent in my pretender for Marignon yesterday evening :)

[chrispedersen]

Hey JR,
I appreciate the upload and quick response. I have not heard from coobe, in forever, or Evil Homer for abit. So I'm posting for replacements for coobe, and sending an email to evil homer.

[chrispedersen]

still waiting on 2

[Jazzepi]

What's the deal with this game? I'd like to pull out if it isn't going to get started.

Jazzepi

[chrispedersen]

Yep I'm officially giving up on this - too bad thought it was a great way to get into the hall of fame. Concentrated playing,