Forge of Godhood - started

[Calahan]

Many thanks for the 15 hour delay qm. And my hungover head thanks whoever asked for the additional 3 hours as well.

Reading the recent posts reminds me of just why I love no diplomacy games so much.

[Jarkko]

Reading the recent posts reminds me of just why I love no diplomacy games so much.
Reading the recent posts reminds why I love so much diplomacy games. :) No diplomacy games are just a variant of singleplayer games, period. Why play multiplayer games if you do not like to discuss with people? With no diplomacy there is no drama, there is no feeling, just pure dullnes :)

[archaeolept]

My threat to throw everything I had at you had nothing to do with metagaming. I was simply trying to break the double-team on me by threatening to go kamikaze on one of you, and I figured I had a much better chance of making a dent in you than I did in Pan, so you got the ultimatum You gave me that threat immediately after I attacked. This was two turns before Pan attacked. It was just me, who was clearly militarily weaker than you were (I had no ready SC at the time; you had two). In fact, at the time, you were indicating to me that you rather expected Pan to come after me.

Secondly, all your hurf-blurf about my aggrieved posturing - I was upfront about my reasons, and that you needed a counter after pythium evaporated. It was surely you acting all aggrieved. But my other immediate rationale was quite real - you were elbowing in on those few scraps of territories that were due to me. That's how it goes. If you treat an ally with contempt, you should not act all shocked when he ceases to be your ally.
I still have no idea what you're talking about with Holburg. As I said, I took it to preach there to kill Pythium, and you never asked about claiming it after thatOur agreement during the height of the war was that I would get all the remaining pyth territories currently not in your possession. That included Holburg, as it was still pyth's. I then said I was moving in to take both those territories. You later took it to preach/cut off retreat. , but watching you try to cast me as the villain after you launched a sneak attack at me is quite irksome. You can trump up whatever pretexts you want, but at the end of the day you stabbed me in the back to try to get an advantage, which is fine. The farce of you pretending otherwise is what I take exception We had no formal agreement extending beyond the fall of pythium, so I can't quite consider this a backstab. As to trying to cast you as a villain - I was not the one to bring this to the thread.

[Executor]

It seems that the underwater nations are allied.
Who will next strike the forces of Arcoscephale?

[Jarkko]

In fact, at the time, you were indicating to me that you rather expected Pan to come after me.

Which was sort of true at the time :) I was sure Van would be after me, what with me having a low dominion and Van being able to blood-sac -> My dominion was close to get wiped around that time if Van had started a blood-sac campaign (but I have since learned that fear was unrealistic at the time). I even moved an army to the wastelands next to the Van border to take an indy barbarian province, but to also act as a first line of defence *and* to protect the temple I just built there. I pledged Agartha to help me in case Van attacks, as I had already run out of clean underwear because of the death-bells I heard gonging in my head. Agartha wasn't super keen, but said something along the lines he would be available after the Pythium business if the issue was still pressing.

Then of course I had the pleasure of having scouts in the area where you two were quarreling, and saw an opportunity. My dominion situation rapidly was improving with the new temples up. Thus I had second and third thoughts, and reversed course totally. I think I was able to do a pretty classic backstabb on Agartha (not that I am especially proud of that, I don't usually do such blatant backstabbs without a moral casus belli whatsoever; but as it is the theme of the game and because I could...), which I hope Micah won't hate me for the rest of his living days :smirk:

[Calahan]

...No diplomacy games are just a variant of singleplayer games, period.
Yes absolutely. And zero diplomacy SP games are exactly what I want out of my MP games :)

Why play multiplayer games if you do not like to discuss with people?
Dominions is the only game I have ever done (online) multi-player gaming with. Everyone has their own reasons why they start playing MP games, but for me the one and only reason why was that I really loved Dominions 3 as a strategy game, and I just purely wanted to have better AI opposition. As I had played against the AI for 18+ months before playing MP, and I had finally run out of variant ways to handicap myself, or role-play against it. And the only way to get better AI opposition was to turn the AI opponents into human opponents.

I personally have no interest in the diplomacy side of MP games, as I'd prefer my fortunes to be based entirely on my actions and strategy in-game, and not on whether or not I can sweet-talk, bluff, threaten, plead, with my various neighbours. I have every respect for players who like the diplomacy aspect of MP games, and even to some extent envy those who are good at it. But for me diplomacy plays far too big a role in MP games, as it doesn't matter who you are, or how good or bad you are, diplomacy can counter-act everything. It is very common to see players making in-game decisions purely based on which player, and not which nation (or it's actions), they border, or can attack, or feel most threatened by.

I also think diplomacy in this sort of game is un-thematic, as if for no other reason than I can't believe for a moment that the nations would all share a common tongue, so communication between them would surely be difficult. Or that vastly differing nations would instantly get along as neighbours. Because there is no in-game mechanic for diplomacy, this results in there being no restrictions on which nations can team-up together. And of course the overall sticking-point of there can be only one.

In some ways I think diplomacy is the ultimate game balancer in Dominions. But I personally don't like the thought of there being something that is powerful enough to entirely negate a players skill level. And while it rarely happens that skill level is completely negated by diplomacy, even the greatest player(s) on offer would lose very quickly if surrounded by poor players who simply agreed to all attack the good player for no other reason than he/she was a good player. I've seen several well known players post on the issue of getting ganged purely because of who they were, and nothing to do with their nation or actions. And to me that is just wrong. As every player should start every game being completely equal in status (baring which nation they are)

And all of that rambling is why I like RAND games the most :)

[quantum_mechani]

And all of that rambling is why I like RAND games the most :)I pretty much agree completely about diplomacy. That said, I do miss being able to discuss unusual happenings with my opponents in RAND games. For me, probably the perfect game is one that allows communication, but with an honorable group of players who agree to not make any kind of deals with it.

[DonCorazon]

RAND games should come with a game counselor...

[Executor]

I too agree with Calahan and QM, the most enjoyable games I was in were/are RAND games.
Although I do miss the occasional battle report exchange with my enemies in RAND games.

[archaeolept]

Dominions players get very concerned about the fate of their nations :D

Diplo is either a chore, or causes these sorts of kerfuffles, but it is entertaining to talk about the game w/ others. I think QM's attempt just to ban trading was a good idea.

[LDiCesare]

It seems that the underwater nations are allied.

If that is the case, could someone explain to R'lyeh that it was a bad idea to teleport one of their starspawns to attack Atlantis? Of course, R'lyeh is welcome to waste gems and mages teleporting to get killed by my province defense, but still, be careful when you say 'allied'. Oceania and R'lyeh might be, but Atlantis hasn't had contact with them. Except for that unfriendly starspawn, I mean.

[LDiCesare]

I also think diplomacy in this sort of game is un-thematic, as if for no other reason than I can't believe for a moment that the nations would all share a common tongue, so communication between them would surely be difficult. Or that vastly differing nations would instantly get along as neighbours. Because there is no in-game mechanic for diplomacy, this results in there being no restrictions on which nations can team-up together. And of course the overall sticking-point of there can be only one.

There is in-game diplomacy: Sending messages, gold, gems, items. Also known as tributes.
Nations never needed a common tongue to communicate. They need one tongue both nations can share, lie the old language used for Pantocrator liturgy before the Pantocrator fell. Spaniards managed to make allies in Mexico to fight the Aztecs without knowing the language for instance, so it's not really a problem.
I respect the fact that one may not like the diplomatic aspect of the game, but I think Dominions is a game about becoming the only ruler of the world, and there is not just war to achieve this. There is also dominion push/preaching, for instance, but there's also diplomacy. War is a side effect of diplomacy. In reality, most nations would rather convince their neighbour to give them a territory than enter war to seize it. War is a side effect of diplomacy, and no-diplomacy games are only realistic if there are few exactly 2 or exactly 4 nations: 1 vs 1 is pretty obvious. 4 results in 2 1 vs. 1 fights. If it's 3 vs. 1, one of the three is going to get a bad position and be killed by his former allies if he ends in the middle. In a 3 players game without diplomacy, one player is most likely to lose because of geography (hello Mr InTheMiddle). I think it's worse than losing because of lac of diplomatic skill.

[Executor]

Was was that LDICesare?:p
Under attack by Atlantis, R'lyeh and Oceania. That seems like ALL the water nations to me.

[archaeolept]

Well, I guess the argument between Vanheim and Agartha has been settled, at least. :)

[quantum_mechani]

It seems that the underwater nations are allied.

If that is the case, could someone explain to R'lyeh that it was a bad idea to teleport one of their starspawns to attack Atlantis? Of course, R'lyeh is welcome to waste gems and mages teleporting to get killed by my province defense, but still, be careful when you say 'allied'. Oceania and R'lyeh might be, but Atlantis hasn't had contact with them. Except for that unfriendly starspawn, I mean.I assume that was a starspawn lost in the void gate trying to get home.

[LDiCesare]

Was was that LDICesare?:p
Under attack by Atlantis, R'lyeh and Oceania. That seems like ALL the water nations to me.
Well, I just saw the update and I didn't expect to see a giant octopus there. I only attacked Arco because I thought you were a nice juicy affordable target. It was totally uncoordinated from my part, but I promise I'm going to talk to Oceania ;).

[Ironhawk]

RAND games should come with a game counselor...

That would be me

[namad]

are you sure he teleported? and didn't just return randomly from the void?

(maybe he did teleport but you have to figure that r'lyeh has some mages lost in the void? eh?)

[LDiCesare]

He was certainly a bit mad and had some skill at void summoning. How he appeared in my province I have no idea. Since he was astral 2 the first thing I thought of was teleportation. I'll admit I haven't delved into the void enough to know how he could have gotten there.

[quantum_mechani]

Since he was astral 2 That pretty much assures it wasn't a teleport.

[archaeolept]

see! not only is he viciously attacking, but he's haxoring as well!!111

yah the insanity and the summon skill is pretty well proof that he was just returning from the void. You should have baked him a welcome back cake. or bowl of kelp.

[Executor]

Perhaps just a stupid observation from my part, but, maybe Agartha and Vanheim should have joined against Pangaea?

[TheDemon]

It seems that the underwater nations are allied.

If that is the case, could someone explain to R'lyeh that it was a bad idea to teleport one of their starspawns to attack Atlantis? Of course, R'lyeh is welcome to waste gems and mages teleporting to get killed by my province defense, but still, be careful when you say 'allied'. Oceania and R'lyeh might be, but Atlantis hasn't had contact with them. Except for that unfriendly starspawn, I mean.

I can explain that, he was lost in time and space, when he returned he returned to that province. S2 starspawns can't teleport anyway. Poor guy got lost the turn I finished researching returning, so I couldn't hand him pearls and get him back properly.

[Jarkko]

Perhaps just a stupid observation from my part, but, maybe Agartha and Vanheim should have joined against Pangaea?

I am much too cute and nice to deserve such an evil alliance descend on me :(

[archaeolept]

haha cute... or duplicitous. which, of course, we already knew :)

If Van falls to the Pan menace, who of you could stand up to his hordes of manikin?

[Executor]

No problemo, as soon as I kick back the ocean dwellers back to where they belong, kill all those giants squids, void monsters, worms, and all the those other things running round my lands, Pangaea'll be dead in a jiffy!:)

[archaeolept]

haha yes

I might suggest said ocean dwellers consider a different target now, given the situation...

[sansanjuan]

This last turn my .trn file throws a "turn file corrupted" as does a resent .trn file. Any ideas? I did send the last few files from my work laptop as I was traveling last week.

-ssj

On another note....

After action Report from some turns back.

Kudos to Ermor's horde and medal of honor to the Shade Beasts that waded through a barrage of H3 banishments to crumble Mictlan's right flank and “get into the mages” as I temporarily sat on his Cap. back on turn 16 or so. I foolishly withheld my pretender from that one. Fortune favors the bold.

Assuming I can get this turn file thing fixed I will play it out to the end (which won't be long).

-ssj

[Jarkko]

haha cute... or duplicitous. which, of course, we already knew :)

If Van falls to the Pan menace, who of you could stand up to his hordes of manikin?
Euhm, Pan being described as the menace? What has the world come to :(

Pangea pledged for an alliance, was crawling on her knees in front of both of Vanheim and Agartha, but all that was got was evil laughter (it still echoes in my head) and finger pointing (or that was how the Pangaean scribes deciphered the hieroglyphs, at least), from both of these evil neighbours. The hands of Pangea have thus been tied, there has been no other alternative but to undertake operations of pro-active self-defence.

Besides, the pro-active self defence operation on Vanheim was a near epic fail. Only two provinces fell instead of the six I had planned; why are you people going so bananas with PD? Don't you have a single nice thought for the poor little sneakers or the poor fluffy animals dwelling in the forets?

[archaeolept]

his vast armies are poised to take out both van castles. being now broke from defending against micah's suiciding, I have no further defensive options. It looks like Pan should take this, unless there is a concerted effort. It's up to you guys :)

[Jarkko]

his vast armies are poised to take out both van castles. being now broke from defending against micah's suiciding, I have no further defensive options. It looks like Pan should take this, unless there is a concerted effort. It's up to you guys :)
Bold comments, most likely meant to make me feel immortal while you crush me :D Hopefully we can have a good fight though :)

In a few turns everybody will have so many counters to manikin it's not fun at all; they are so yesterday pretty soon. Besides, hopefully somebody gets Dispel soon, my population is dieing like a flies in a DDT fog :( As Vanheim is perhaps the most dangerous nation (of the ones remaining), it wasn't much of a difficult choice even to take this rather drastic pro-active step. If Pangea (and the potential others swooping in on Vans like vultures) can not stop Vanheim *now*, Van will walk home with this game; they get stronger and stronger by each turn passing.

[Micah]

Agartha's final attack on Vanheim killed almost a whole thirty troops and zero commanders, clearly they are now crippled and unable to defend themselves properly.

Or they are just continuing their diplomatic campaign of untruths to gain an advantage. You be the judge.

Vanheim's SC Ghost King has awoken, their troops are second to none, and they can blood sacrifice. Coming to their aid now or ever is a grave mistake.

[archaeolept]

I think who has been telling untruths is pretty clear. Micah is so sore that he is willing to spin against me from beyond the grave. Why would he just mention that one battle, when clearly I lost a hundred this last turn. I have only a handful of troops left, and one of my castles will be breached next turn, the other the turn after. Anyone w/ eyes can look at the troop graphs - Pan has pretty well 10 times the forces as I do. And how am I to blood hunt when my lands are about to be over-run? Why is my dominion so middling then? And how is it that a single ghost king is supposed to withstand massed manikin? Only a total dominions noob would take his claims seriously.

Now, I understand, following your own tactics, I should abandon my castles and head out to fight some lesser threat.

As to why your final attack was so poorly executed, I'll let you dwell on the reasons.

Jarkko's spin is self-evident. Micah's just petty.

[Micah]

Why would I mention that last battle? Because it is the one you referenced (my suicidal attack.) Your subsequent loss to my PD was your own tactical blunder, though all you lost were some huskarls and your ictyid mercs, which the army graph rates the same as skinshifters and einheres.

And my listing of your national strengths wasn't there to say you could hold off Pan, just as a reminder that helping you out might not be in the other players' best interest.

[archaeolept]

Anyways, I really liked the idea and settings for this game. I wasn't very well prepared for it as I was a last-minute sub, and certainly wouldn't take the same strategy as I did. Vanheim itself is a bit hurt by the settings, as it is so gold hungry, and my placement was... unfortunate.

Hopefully there'll be another one like this soon, as I should be out of this in a couple turns. I'd suggest modifying carrion woods, and limiting dom to 8 or so.

[archaeolept]

which the army graph rates the same as skinshifters and einheres.

And my listing of your national strengths wasn't there to say you could hold off Pan, just as a reminder that helping you out might not be in the other players' best interest.Haha, yes, I am sure the other players are worried about the Van threat, and I have no doubt that my combined total of 30 einheres/skinshifters will repel the measly 5-600 pan troops currently invading :D

but don't let me stop your spinning

[archaeolept]

from QM's OP, and the rules of the game:
Breaking of alliances and NAPs should [be] acceptable/expected Many nations have already been crushed; everyone else seems to have taken their lot with good grace. You might want to consider whether games with these rules are the best fit for you.

[Micah]

Arch, your attitude and the twisting of the truth, as well as your incessant attacks on my character are what I have a problem with, not the in-game action.

Jarkko also backstabbed me, but hasn't put up the same line of BS you've been spouting, and I haven't taken any issue with him. I razed my cap to the ground in-game to do what I could to hurt him, but that's the extent of it.

[Executor]

Flame war! Flame war!
Man, I'd take Van over Arco any time, there just isn't much I can do with them...:(

[archaeolept]

this is ridiculous, and oh so tiring.

1. In a breaking agreements is fine game, even though I do not think I did, and with what I felt was sufficient cause, I attacked.

2. You emo-raged, and certainly did not take my attack quietly.

3. You threatened to suicide against me.

4. You brought the quarrel to the game thread.

5. Instead of a perfectly strong defense of your castle against the pan hordes, you packed up and went to attack my army, where you were soundly trounced, and I killed your god.

6. Now you engage in hilarious spins about the Van threat.

edit: 7. oh, also, I was not polite in my responses to this behaviour.

[WraithLord]

Ahmm, I "accidentally" stumbled on this thread and happen to know and respect both of you. I'd suggest you get off that track and share the peace pipe instead :)

Oh and whose the cunning bastard who runs away with the crown?- Jarkko?
Whoever he is he must have quite a story to tell...

[Lingchih]

Indeed. You guys need to lighten up. I only stumbled in here myself, because I was an early player. But the flaming is getting to a ridiculous point.

[Jarkko]

Oh and whose the cunning bastard who runs away with the crown?- Jarkko?
Whoever he is he must have quite a story to tell...
My problem has been so far that I am way too honest. I've been offering the crown in the form of an alliance to practically anybody who has been willing to listen, but nobody is taking me seriously :( I am not interested in one turn affairs, I'm looking for a lasting relationship. But all I get is suggestions for one turn mambo.

Anyway, this turn is a do or die turn for Pangaea really. As I get home pretty late today, I hope somebody keeps a stern eye on the graphs and tells here what happens.

[Agema]

This last turn my .trn file throws a "turn file corrupted" as does a resent .trn file. Any ideas? I did send the last few files from my work laptop as I was traveling last week.

-ssj

On another note....

After action Report from some turns back.

Kudos to Ermor's horde and medal of honor to the Shade Beasts that waded through a barrage of H3 banishments to crumble Mictlan's right flank and “get into the mages” as I temporarily sat on his Cap. back on turn 16 or so. I foolishly withheld my pretender from that one. Fortune favors the bold.

Assuming I can get this turn file thing fixed I will play it out to the end (which won't be long).

-ssj

It's not going to be over *that* quickly. You still have a pretty large army of good sacreds with a good bless, and those sacreds cause an awful lot of casualties before they die.

It was a very close battle back around t16. I'd not fully understood then how best to use my undead boosting spells: I took a lot of damage from banishment I didn't need to, and very few of my troops had Unholy Power. I like to think I'd probably have defeated the remnants of your force even if you won, as I had my pretender and about 100 units uncommitted, and plenty more magepower which I'd held back to acquire a vital new research level.

[WraithLord]

My problem has been so far that I am way too honest. I've been offering the crown in the form of an alliance to practically anybody who has been willing to listen, but nobody is taking me seriously :( I am not interested in one turn affairs, I'm looking for a lasting relationship. But all I get is suggestions for one turn mambo.

Anyway, this turn is a do or die turn for Pangaea really. As I get home pretty late today, I hope somebody keeps a stern eye on the graphs and tells here what happens.

And the meek shall inherit the earth ;)

[sansanjuan]

I ask again....

Does anyone know how to work around the corrupt turn file issue? I cannot send my turn in until it is fixed and Mictlan will continuously stale.

Thanks,
-ssj

[archaeolept]

you should contact qm to stop the turn from hosting. otherwise the solution is to rehost last turn.

hmmm QM should have noticed this - looks like this turn will host. A rollback should be possible.

[sansanjuan]

you should contact qm to stop the turn from hosting. otherwise the solution is to rehost last turn.

hmmm QM should have noticed this - looks like this turn will host. A rollback should be possible.

Arch,
My current game position doesn't warrant a rollback... Thanks for the suggestion though.
-ssj

[namad]

ah, shucks

[Jarkko]

A quick question: Is *everybody* going to raze their castles and labs as soon as a lone satyr has been sighted in the distance? Don't you know the castles are culturally important heritage? What are our grandchildren going to tell to their grandchildren?

"Come now here Clark. You are still so very young, but let me tell you a story of this field. You see, there used to be a great city here once upon a time, but then a young satyr, not much older than you in fact, happened to walk by. That young satyr was my grandfather. When the inhabitants saw my grandfather stroll by over the hills there (do you see those hills there far away? yeah, it is sort of difficult to see them from here, even though it is a sunny day today), they all went 'OOOooooooOOOooooOOOooo!!!' and then they burnt their city, ripped away all the stones from the walls, hammered the stones to sand with their bare fists, filled their cellars with the sand and then commited mass-suicide. Yes, I know, it is a sad story."

[namad]

normally a person feels that the turns an enemy wastes destorying the walls of a fort justify letting them have that fort?



you have a nation with a very very high rate of freespawn especially so compared to goldrate 50%


you can probably 1turn anyone's forts walls, eh?

[Jarkko]

you can probably 1turn anyone's forts walls, eh?
Dunno, I haven't actually put a fort under siege in this game so far :eek:

[namad]

I think the next game I am going to play in... I will be using an immortal pretender!

[Executor]

20 horror marks, hope that allies me to a Doom Horror.

[Calahan]

I think the next game I am going to play in... I will be using an immortal pretender!
They're useful for keeping flying pests out of your lands that's for certain :) but less useful on the offensive, unless you want to take the risk ;)

But immortal Pretenders are no good if you start on the coast, which sees 40% of your dominion going straight into the water :( And I've watched Jaws far too many times to be fooled into thinking it's safe to go for a swim any time soon!

[Jarkko]

I sure do feel like the rabbit in "Monthy Python and the Holy Grail". All I get to hear is "RUNAWAAAYYYYY!" and all I get to see is the panic struck bottoms of enemy soldiers running to the next province. You know, I wouldn't actually mind a battle at times, you have no idea how much skinny naked women seem to be able to eat in any given turn :(

I wonder where the holy handgrenade of Antioch is... I hope it is found by somebody who do not know how to count to three...

[Executor]

And I feel like Brian in the final scene of "Monthy Python's Life of Brian" :)

[Meglobob]

Always look on the bright side of life

deh do deh do

Vanheim and Agartha conspired vs Pythium

deh do deh do

Then got overrun by a rampant Pangaea

deh do deh do

Always look on the bright side of life...:D

[Jarkko]

Who is the nasty bastard that put their hands on the fair Pangaea? Confess now so that I don't have to go all bananas when I get home and get to see the turn!

[Jarkko]

Ok, so it was Van who finally began to fight back, and an indy water druid saw it fit to attack too. Quite acceptable losses, even though I love each and every one of my maenads.

Oh, and Ashdod tried a backstabb too, but to be honest, it was quite a pathetic attempt... I seriously suggest a bacstabb to be tried with something else in addition to a dozen or so slingers. Instead of a backstabb it was really only pat on the shoulder. You do *not* want to give the target a heads up, you want to hit their back so hard they can't find their nose anymore.

[Alneyan]

No, no, no, you don't get it! We just didn't get the memo that this province had changed hands... we're just a bunch of big, dumb giants who can't even keep a Pretender alive with printed instructions.

(Hey, I ought to have died of Dominion death fifteen turns ago... nothing can destroy me now!)

[LDiCesare]

Razing forts seems popular these days!

[namad]

has it occurred a 2nd time yet?

[Lingchih]

I am playing Ashdod now. Please let me know what the political situation is, and if they have made anyone mad recently :)

[Jarkko]

has it occurred a 2nd time yet?

Three times now. Agartha, Vanheim and the latest to join the club appears to be Arcos. This time there were no satyrs even within hundreds of miles, so something else must have been scaring this time :eek:



All hail the new ruler of Ashdod! Your friendly neighbour Pangaea wishes you a long and healthy rule. Pangaea would take it as a token of friendship if we were to see the Ashdod troops get away from our common border; seeing giants stroll right next to the twin-city does not make one feel comfortable in these uncertain times...

[Executor]

None of my enemies deserved to capture the fort of Arcoscephale, I see no reason why any of them should be rewarded.

Who will next test their might at the ruins of once mighty Arco fort? It seems that the monsters of R'lyeh were unworthy.

[Ironhawk]

That was a heck of a battle, yeah. I thought your dragon was done for when it got paralyzed but he effectively distracted the illithids while your men were able to press on with force of numbers. Nicely done!

[Ironhawk]

Hey - I'm not going to be able to get to my turn tonight. Can I get an extension till saturday afternoon?

[Frozen Lama]

Awwww. my god came back 1 turn too late to save my dominion :(

just for you vfb, even though your my enemy, i will send in my blank .2h file

[vfb]

Thanks Frozen Lama! :)

Marignon owes its victory over Machaka to Man, pretty much, for his devious scheming that convinced you to leave the safety of the spider forests and bring your god into the foreign dominion of Caelum. Even then, it was a close battle when you counter-attacked. In honor of our battles, we hereby proclaim that all cobwebs are sacred and are not to be cleaned off the castle walls.

-- The Council of Cardinals

[namad]

Around the same time machaka died, I killed a real spider IRL...

ooooo erieeee isn't it :)

[Ironhawk]

Since QM has gone MIA I just crapped out a quick turn and sent it in. Blah

[archaeolept]

he's online and will delay it, so no worries. I won't submit until tomorrow morning

[Calahan]

Thanks Frozen Lama! :)

Marignon owes its victory over Machaka to Man, pretty much, for his devious scheming that convinced you to leave the safety of the spider forests and bring your god into the foreign dominion of Caelum. Even then, it was a close battle when you counter-attacked. In honor of our battles, we hereby proclaim that all cobwebs are sacred and are not to be cleaned off the castle walls.

-- The Council of Cardinals
Yes, the Inquisitors surely did pull a holy veil of secrecy over their true intentions, and cleverly withheld the small print on their deceitful peace deal. "Marignon agrees peace with Machaka, that is until those damn spiders are far away from home".

Man regrets that while its calls for help fell on two eager pairs of ears, it is unfortunate that only one pair of sinewy ears sought to genuinely help the beleaguered Wardens. While to the other pair, all outside prayers for help were soundly deafened by wrinkled and cauliflowered ears, that are obviously the result of decades of unhealthy Mitre abuse.

The Lord Wardens hereby offer their thanks and condolences to the fallen yet brave Spider worshippers. For while Man's idea to use spiders to catch flying pests was a good one, we should have heeded the warnings the web masters voiced towards their untrustworthy, Jesus loving neighbours.

[vfb]

Oh no, the nation of Marignon was completely willing to abide by its ceasefire with Machaka, until we discovered that Machaka had brutally launched a surprise invasion of Caelum, ignoring their diplomatic agreement to give three months notice before launching any aggressive acts.

At this point we decided that Machaka was not worthy of our trust, and we had better commence military defensive posturing before we were likewise attacked. So Marignon positioned ourselves in a strategic location in the mountains, through which the spiders had recently passed on their expedition to the Bandar capitol. We were attacked by the spiders the next month, at great loss of many brave flagellants.

We have no idea who this "Jesus" is though. There is but one true god, Smaug, and Riego is his Prophet.

-- The Council of Cardinals

[namad]

that was such a great pun!

machaka and caelum.

spider and the fly!

[namad]

Damnit! I forgot to rebuy dagan!! 18gold for 27research is a fine deal! 36gold for 27research is not a good deal... he was only worthwhile if i kept him for longer... I guess it's true what they say about birds and short attention spans.

[Ironhawk]

The nation of C'Tis is happy to report that our assault on the most hated Atlanteans has begun! Our carefully prepared strike team has already sieged and broken the first of their underwater forts. More soon to come :) We invite all other nations who have had to endure Atlantean landgrabbing and bullying to join the fun, now that the water cannot protect them anymore.

[namad]

I'm pretty sure water still protects them from everyone who can't breathe water :)

[Ironhawk]

The occupants of their sieged underwater fort would disagree with you...

[LDiCesare]

Given the amount of water breathing commanders you have, you should be careful. Only Arco has suffered landgrab from Atlantis. Well, Shinuyama too, but that's history.
For those who want to get rid of the miasma, you no longer need fear their god, he's busy underwater.

[Executor]

And now Atlantis shall suffer the wrath of Arco.

[LDiCesare]

The wrath of Arco? Let me laugh. Your cowardly dragon ran away rather than fight the mighty Plwf, and your rabble of an army followed suit. If Abysia and C'tis weren't helping you, your dragon bones would be decorating the ocean bed already.

[vfb]

Greetings Eriu, and congratulations on your completely incompetent sneak attack on Marignon's lands. You'd think you would have managed to garner some sort of advantage from that, other than picking up a single 9-GP income province (which you'll probably get a bad event from), and getting your cyclops and army killed.

[Alpine Joe]

Greetings Eriu, and congratulations on your completely incompetent sneak attack on Marignon's lands. You'd think you would have managed to garner some sort of advantage from that, other than picking up a single 9-GP income province (which you'll probably get a bad event from), and getting your cyclops and army killed.

Your congratulations are appreciated!


First off....sneak attack? I don't know if that is the appropriate term....
While my cyclops was under-equipped, and losing him was certainly a mistake, it wasn't exactly by choice, as i can't really forge the amulet of antimagic i needed. In terms of overall troops losses though, there was little disparity between us. I have never had much of an army due to gold constraints

I must admit I had forgotten the strength of Marignon's PD.....

Anyway it was time to liven things up by attacking somebody. Have fun wiping me out, if you can.

[Ironhawk]

... your dragon bones would be decorating the ocean bed already.

Don't you be littering up my new ocean bed :)

[vfb]

Of course it was a sneak attack! Your army snuck up to Marignon's border, and attacked without any provocation on our part, and without any declaration of war, or even any sort of excuse about posthumously defending your neighborly spider friends or such nonsense.

Not that there is anything wrong with a nation of sneaky folk like Eiru sneaking around and attacking people though, it's only to be expected from such ruffians and brigands. But why would you attack Marignon, bastion of purity, defender of the sacred virgins, and sworn enemy of the evil blood hunting nations? Evil blood hunting nations whose lands would likely feeling the righteous wrath of the legions of Marignon, right now at this very moment, were we not otherwise occupied by defending our borders from rapscalions like Eiru.

-- The Council of Cardinals

[Executor]

The wrath of Arco? Let me laugh. Your cowardly dragon ran away rather than fight the mighty Plwf, and your rabble of an army followed suit. If Abysia and C'tis weren't helping you, your dragon bones would be decorating the ocean bed already.

Mind your tongue if you don't intend to start another flame war.
C'tis and Abysia helping me!?Huh, I should be the one laughing here, was it not YOU that helping himself to my lands when I attacked TC and R'lyeh jumped me and Oceania followed? And now when things turn south for you you do what? Accuse me of organizing some gang attack on you? I never asked anyone for help, nor did I ever intend to.

I think I put up a decent fight, and hell I'm still here. Let's see just how the all-mighty legions of Atlantis shall preform now...

[LDiCesare]

The wrath of Arco? Let me laugh. Your cowardly dragon ran away rather than fight the mighty Plwf, and your rabble of an army followed suit. If Abysia and C'tis weren't helping you, your dragon bones would be decorating the ocean bed already.

Mind your tongue if you don't intend to start another flame war.
C'tis and Abysia helping me!?Huh, I should be the one laughing here, was it not YOU that helping himself to my lands when I attacked TC and R'lyeh jumped me and Oceania followed? And now when things turn south for you you do what? Accuse me of organizing some gang attack on you? I never asked anyone for help, nor did I ever intend to.

I think I put up a decent fight, and hell I'm still here. Let's see just how the all-mighty legions of Atlantis shall preform now...
Damn, that was In Context bragging by my pretender, don't take it badly and let's avoid a flame war. C'tis and Abysia help you because they're also attacking me, I don't pretend you coordinated. I didn't coordinate with Oceania either but it sure helped that they struck you too.
Your initial post seemed to be in context bragging, so I just answered the same way.

[Executor]

In that case I apologize.

[sansanjuan]

The Mictlan lands swarm with unchecked undead. Mabel returns to the void.

Good luck all. Had fun. Learned a few lessons. Let me know if Mabel still holds the most deaths record at game end. My lone indy commander awaits his doom. ;)

-ssj

[Agema]

Good fight. I didn't want to go to war with Mictlan, partly because of the vast number of priests, and partly because I didn't fancy wading through your Dom with your immortal phoenix able to attack every turn, so when you declared war on me I was less than pleased.

At any rate, the war may have been won by Ermor, but the effort was exhausting and the cost ruinous.

[Hadrian_II]

At any rate, the war may have been won by Ermor, but the effort was exhausting and the cost ruinous.

lets hope so :D

[archaeolept]

qm is travelling, and his internet access is likely unreliable, so I'm going to extend hosting by 3 hrs, as I won't be around at the current hosting time.

Also, during this interregnum while qm is getting settled, if someone needs a host delayed they can also contact me.

[Micah]

Tsk tsk Jarkko, I TOLD you it wasn't worth attacking me, even if you won. Makes me feel better about the game killing a real commander and a couple hundred units though, thanks for the morale boost. My 8 militia will be honored for their sacrifice.

[archaeolept]

let me be the first to congratulate you on your victory Micah. The entire nation of the Vans reaffirms our ancient and eternal friendship with the Agarthan people and that we have always been at war with East Pangaia.

;)

[vfb]

Tsk tsk Jarkko, I TOLD you it wasn't worth attacking me, even if you won. Makes me feel better about the game killing a real commander and a couple hundred units though, thanks for the morale boost. My 8 militia will be honored for their sacrifice.

Episcopus Servus Servorum Smaug

Praise be to Smaug, we seek His help and ask for his pardon. We take refuge in Smaug from our wrongs and bad deeds. Who ever been guided by Smaug will not be misled, and who ever has been misled, he will never be guided. we bear witness that there is no God except Smaug-no associates with Him- and we bear witness that Riego is His slave and messenger.

It should not be hidden from you that the people of Pan had suffered from aggressive dominion spread, iniquity and injustice imposed on them by the Abysians and their collaborators; to the extent that the Maenad blood became the cheapest and their wealth as loot in the hands of the enemies.

Though Marignon is beset by the bandits of Eriu, we recognise the dire threat the evil Abysians pose to the world, with their terrible blood sacrifices, and summoning of unspeakable horrors. We hereby declare war on Abysia again, just in case you didn't hear us the first time. And we hereby rescind our declaration of war on Pan, and may they do what they want with their own peoples, for Smaug has told us that the people of Pan are blessed, for they have recognised the evil of Abysia.

Our Lord, bless Riego, Your slave and messenger, his family and descendants, and companions and salute him with a salutation. And our last supplication is: All praise is due to Smaug.

-- The Council of Cardinals

[Micah]

Why are you quoting me in your post there vfb? I'm confused.

[namad]

prolly just clicked the wrong button

[vfb]

Oh, did I get confused about who is who again? I thought Jarkko was Pan and you were Abysia, and you (Aby) were saying that Jarkko (Pan) had invaded you.

Oh, now I remember, QM is Abysia. Dammit! :doh: That's twice I've done that. Thanks for straightening me out (Again!)

When I get the energy, I'll issue another Papal decree rescinding my declaration of peace with Pan, unless they get their Maenads in gear and attack Abysia before it's too late.

[Micah]

No, I'm Agartha and I have 2 provinces with about 20-30 gold between them, 0 gems, and under 2 candles of domspread a turn, so I kind of had to mock Jarkko for losing over 200 units plus a bane with some magic boots attacking me...as I said, even if he had won and only lost 100 units I can't imagine it being worth the losses. *shrug*

[vfb]

Thanks Micah, yeah somehow I got it into my head early on that you are Abysia. And that thought is like permanently burned into my synapses, and I've tried killing those brain cells off, but I guess I got the wrong ones. Damned elusive brain cells!

[sansanjuan]

Thanks Micah, yeah somehow I got it into my head early on that you are Abysia. And that thought is like permanently burned into my synapses, and I've tried killing those brain cells off, but I guess I got the wrong ones. Damned elusive brain cells!

V,
Once they are all dead you no longer have to worry about being selective... ;)
-ssj

[Jarkko]

No worries vfb, Abysian demons attacked Pangaea too :D It sure is starting to get interesting :)

[Jarkko]

No, I'm Agartha and I have 2 provinces with about 20-30 gold between them, 0 gems, and under 2 candles of domspread a turn, so I kind of had to mock Jarkko for losing over 200 units plus a bane with some magic boots attacking me...as I said, even if he had won and only lost 100 units I can't imagine it being worth the losses. *shrug*

Heh, finally had a chance to look at the battle :)

The bane had some boots I got from an event, so no crying there. The maenad were about to start to starve, so I had to do something with them, so I thought I'd send a recon force.

Micah, that province is really well defended, kudos for that! If the stupid horse manikin had ripped your mages apart instead of turning tail just an inch a way to go after the militia... and then the Bane following them did the same thing... sigh. Well, at least I got a pretty nice view on what you have there :)

[archaeolept]

as qm is still travelling, and I won't be home at the host time, I'll delay hosting for 3 hrs again.

[LDiCesare]

Who else has Abysia attacked then?

[Agema]

Can I request the next turn (35) be delayed from Thursday 48h until Saturday 19th? I've got a lot on until the weekend, and I've got some major battles to work out so I can't afford to chuck in a junk turn.

[archaeolept]

so you would like the next turn to be 48 hrs? or 72 hrs? or delayed to a precise time (give GMT)? of course it would be easy to do.

[Agema]

Delay until about 20.00GMT Saturday, please.

[archaeolept]

ok, will do :)

[archaeolept]

crap, I was going to extend the turn again if quantum hadn't submitted, but then I wasn't around. sorry qm

[Calahan]

The game engine hereby apologises to the holy ones for once again not making any new mercenaries available for them to brainwash with their religious views.

[vfb]

Well what are we going to spend our money on then!?

I guess it will have to be more PD. : sigh :

-- The Council of Cardinals

[Ironhawk]

crap, I was going to extend the turn again if quantum hadn't submitted, but then I wasn't around. sorry qm

Whoa - actually this could be a big deal. There was a major battle b/w Atlantis and Aby this turn. If QM didnt have a chance to script for it....

[quantum_mechani]

crap, I was going to extend the turn again if quantum hadn't submitted, but then I wasn't around. sorry qm

Whoa - actually this could be a big deal. There was a major battle b/w Atlantis and Aby this turn. If QM didnt have a chance to script for it....Yeah that went rather poorly for that reason.

[archaeolept]

qm has arrived at his destination, but I fear he may have passed out, so i'm extending this host.. again :)

+6 hrs.

also still waiting on eriu.

[archaeolept]

hmmm that was strange, it hosted anyways, even though the game page had it as set to host in 6 hrs, ie. 4:00 GMT. I guess Alpine doesn't get 6 bonus hours, sorry Alpine :)

llama has been notified in case there is some sort of communication issue between llamaserver.net and the gameserver proper.

[Alpine Joe]

hmmm that was strange, it hosted anyways, even though the game page had it as set to host in 6 hrs, ie. 4:00 GMT. I guess Alpine doesn't get 6 bonus hours, sorry Alpine :)

llama has been notified in case there is some sort of communication issue between llamaserver.net and the gameserver proper.


ugh I was counting on that time :(

Sorry to stale guys, it won't happen again. It also shouldn't hurt me much at this point anyway.

[archaeolept]

sorry to hear that :(

really, we have no idea why it happened - atm, I'm guessing changes to hosting time just weren't even being recognized at all by llamaserver, even though they got updated on the game page.

the only solution would be a general rollback, which I really hope is not warranted...

[Alpine Joe]

sorry to hear that :(

really, we have no idea why it happened - atm, I'm guessing changes to hosting time just weren't even being recognized at all by llamaserver, even though they got updated on the game page.

the only solution would be a general rollback, which I really hope is not warranted...


No no of course not. I will simply play on.

[vfb]

19:55 GMT on Saturday September 19th Hosting delayed by -6 hours.

It looks like the '-' was the problem.

Thanks Alpine Joe, for not requesting a rollback. But did you intend to move your expeditionary force back to patrol your capitol? Or were you planning on attacking with it?

If you had been planning on moving it back to patrol your capitol, I'm sure I would have lost that fight. So please tell me if that was the case, and I will agree to give orders to move off your capitol this month, if you like.

[archaeolept]

hosting was delayed by 10 hrs, then another 2 right away, as 10 seemed too short, then qm showed up so right away again i edited by post and changed it by -6, which is not supposed to have any issues, leading to the net +6. Proper hosting time was listed on the game page, or so I thought I saw

v0v

edit: the admin logs confirm this, except that there were two +2 hr changes... still the total of the delays should have added up to +8 in this case... not 0.

anyways, I sent the info to Llama.

[vfb]

Thanks Arch. Sorry, I looked at your post above saying "+6" hours, and the last line on llamaserver, which said -6.

It looks like the llamaserver hosted the game immediately when it got the -6 hours request. Good to know that's how it works!

[Ironhawk]

Happy to say that the ransacking of the Atlantean capital is coming along swimmingly (ha ha!).

[Calahan]

Can I please request a 4 hour delay. Have a busy afternoon ahead, so probably won't have chance to arrange my turn until late this evening. And if the delay could be checked as having actually taken affect, then that would be cool as well :)

Let the status page be the admin's friend on this, for it knows all and is in ultimate control of the game. And sometimes it's lofty status causes it to ignore the messages thrown out, or towards it, by the admin controls.

[archaeolept]

host delayed by 4 hrs. gamepage now lists 23:55 GMT as the host time.

[Calahan]

Thanks for the delay and the check Archae :)

[Executor]

Well it's good night for Arco.
I'll be setting myself AI this turn, not a single soldier left, and all provinces taxed out.

There were a few interesting battles with R'lyeh, and that's about it for me from this game.

I think MA Arco is crappy nation for such a game.
Hardly any use for mages, no use for gems, no way of making anything even remotely thuggish. No perspective at all, and the troops are, well moderate at best.

This is a game for death nations.

[Jarkko]

Justice! Earthquake destroyed Vanheims last temple! Take that, you heretic!

[vfb]

More justice! The RNG has demolished the only remaining lab of Eriu. Take that, you bandits!

Clearly the Pantokrator has bestown his blessings on the good guys. Praise be to Smaug, and Riego who is his Prophet, etc etc.

-- Ordo Mors Serpens

[Ironhawk]

Hey guys - just woke up to find a 6hr warning on a my forge turn. Not sure how I bungled this, I thought I had until tonight to play. Don't have time now cause I'm about to leave for work. Can I get a delay until 8 or 9pm?

[archaeolept]

host delayed by +7 hrs. that's 21:55 pacific, iirc

[Alpine Joe]

More justice! The RNG has demolished the only remaining lab of Eriu. Take that, you bandits!

Clearly the Pantokrator has bestown his blessings on the good guys. Praise be to Smaug, and Riego who is his Prophet, etc etc.

-- Ordo Mors Serpens

Haha oh man with no forging or summoning i'm pretty much toast....so many gems going to waste.

A bounty of gems to anyone who helps free Eriu's capital from the judgmental Marignons!

[Calahan]

A bounty of gems to anyone who helps free Eriu's capital from the judgmental Marignons!
Alas I fear that sadly any rescue of Eriu would have to be done out of kind heart or church hatred. Since the mighty QM has declared that all the trade routes are closed in the barren world of Forge, so any caravans laden with gifted gems would surely fall prey to thieves and bandits.

[archaeolept]

yah, absolutely no transfer of gems/gold/items allowed. sorry alpine.

[namad]

you can just alchemize nature into fire and then have the gold and use it to recruit or buy pd


or you can use it to reduce fatigue cost on spells that aren't that important

or you can use it on summons which are bad because well if your about to die... no reason not to eh?

you can always pray that the following turn you get a giant free militia event or a hero or a free fort... all of the above things have been happening all over the world already I reckon

[Alpine Joe]

You silly people thought I was planning to give away my gems !!!!

A mere ruse.

(actually yeah it looks like alchemy is the way to go)

[Calahan]

(actually yeah it looks like alchemy is the way to go)
A shame that those Holy saboteurs burnt down your lab :( All those alchemists instantly put out of a job, and a trapped gem horde that is likely to be entombed with the Eriu Pretender.

More justice! The RNG has demolished the only remaining lab of Eriu. Take that, you bandits!

Clearly the Pantokrator has bestown his blessings on the good guys. Praise be to Smaug, and Riego who is his Prophet, etc etc.

-- Ordo Mors Serpens
Unless of course the Church has been speaking with their forking tongue again :)

[Jarkko]

You can alchemise without a lab?

[Ironhawk]

Nope

[archaeolept]

given the number of delayed hostings, we might want to start thinking about going to 48hrs soon.

[namad]

i'm all for 48h


i actually thought we were gonna go there way back around t30

[Calahan]

48 hours would get my vote as well.

[Agema]

I'd like a shift to 48h too.

[LDiCesare]

I'm ok with it. (Almost missed a turn this week-end due to hardware computer failure)

[Ironhawk]

I vote for 48hr as well - was starting to get fatigued.

[Calahan]

Can I please ask what happened to the 48 hour schedule? Since the llamaserver is still reporting that we are on 24 hours. Or is the switch being delayed until next turn for some reason?

[archaeolept]

Can I please ask what happened to the 48 hour schedule? Since the llamaserver is still reporting that we are on 24 hours. Or is the switch being delayed until next turn for some reason?
I've added a day in total to this host time, due to what would seem to be confusion.

the confusion stems from overlooking the distinction between "start thinking about going over" and "actually doing so". :)

qm is the one to make such a decision, but he has not as of yet done so.

[Calahan]

Ah right, many thanks for the clarification Archae :) I thought there'd been a decision on the IRC or something regarding switching to 48hours, and the post here referring to it was just aimed at canvassing further positive support for a decision that had possibly/probably already been taken on the IRC.

[Ironhawk]

Why dont we just switch over? It was expected, several people have asked for it, no one has objected. No reason not to, really.

[namad]

is there any reason we're not switching over? like... I've signed up for games based on the premise that by now forge would be at 48h....

[vfb]

It's already been switched to 48 hours:

http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=ForgeofGodhood&action=showadminlog

In other news:

The Most Holy Council of Marignon objects strenuously to the summary execution of our innocent diplomat, by the evil Abysian counter-intelligence agency. This means war!

-- Ordo Mors Serpens

[namad]

i was really drunk when i posted and i had forgotten which day it currently was

[archaeolept]

+12 hrs

[Jarkko]

When Pangean priests *finally* succeed to preach the evil heresy of Vanheim to death, Ashod sees it fit to backstabb me (don't you know free-spawn have feelings too, it hurts my soul to see maenads and manikin get killed in front of powerhungry giants backed by massed H1 priests). I should have destroyed Ashdod when I was next to their capital, but I am such a softie and pulled back as a token of friendship :( Ho hum, Pangaea is at war, again (or should I say: still).

[Lingchih]

When Pangean priests *finally* succeed to preach the evil heresy of Vanheim to death, Ashod sees it fit to backstabb me (don't you know free-spawn have feelings too, it hurts my soul to see maenads and manikin get killed in front of powerhungry giants backed by massed H1 priests). I should have destroyed Ashdod when I was next to their capital, but I am such a softie and pulled back as a token of friendship :( Ho hum, Pangaea is at war, again (or should I say: still).

Sorry Jarkko. I got bored. It's not like you can't wipe me off the map anytime you want, though.

[Jarkko]

I got bored. It's not like you can't wipe me off the map anytime you want, though.
You could have attacked Agartha for example, would have been a *gigantic* match between you two ;) Stone giants vs flesh giants, what could possibly be more interesting?!

[archaeolept]

16hr delay requested by calahan

[Calahan]

Thanks for the short delay Arch :up:

And apologies to everyone for needing it. I had a few hours free during my works trip on Monday to indulge my Dominions habit, so managed to get the last turn done during that time. But had no chance between now and then to get the current turn done.

But back now and ready to pilot the MA Man ship into uncharted waters for MA Man. Past turn 40 :)

[Ironhawk]

FYI - I'll be on vacation in Hawaii this coming friday until the 18th. I've enlisted Pasha to sub for me while I'm gone. One assumes it will be Miasma Gone Wild in my absence. Prepare yourselves.

[Maerlande]

Hi Folks,

I played turn 45 as a sub for Ryleh to help QM. Hopefully I didn't mess up any agreements but there wasn't much time to find folks. If I did mess up Atul's agreements, well you can blame my noobness.

Cheers,
Maerlande

edit: I just talked to Atul and he would have submitted his turn on time if I hadn't done it. We agreed that I would take over Ryleh permanently now unless there are any objections. Can my allies or NAP partners let me know the status? I'm not quite sure who are Ryleh's friends.

[Jarkko]

The very evil and very false god of Ashdod is dead! The bigger they are, the harder they fall, and you can't get much bigger than an Ashdod giant.

I'll be damned if I let Ashdod backstabb fair Pangaea a third time in the same game... Yes, this means Pangaea is going to pacify the giants for good this time.

[Lingchih]

Heh. There's not many giants left to pacify :)

And yes, please, put me out of my misery.

[Maerlande]

Folks,

Can someone help me with a technical question on this game? Somewhere in the early parts of the thread I read that while the magic site frequency is set to zero there is still the base terrain chance to find sites. Is my understanding correct?

Cheers,
Maer

[Agema]

Yes, mostly. Although frequency is set to 0, sites are not nonexistent, just extremely rare.

It may be worth searching, a few of them will turn up. In fact, looking at the graph, at least one nation has had magic sites change by a multiple of under 5, which I think means someone has definitely found a magic site or two.

[Maerlande]

Thanks Agema. I've been browsing this thread and a bunch of others to try to understand. I'm still kind of confused but I'm getting the idea.

[Micah]

The terrain modifier doesn't account for the full chance of a site. I ran a test game with 0 sites and still found some in plains and farmlands. (It was on Glory of the Gods, in case there might have been some sort of "high magic" tags lurking around under the terrain type. I didn't check that thoroughly, although the sites weren't in any conspicuous locations like standing stone icons or the ends of peninsulas or the like, they just seemed randomly spread.)

[Calahan]

I found a site :) It's awesome, and provides Man with an extra pearl every turn. Which is just what I need now that the church have come knocking on my door looking for their monthly tithe.

[Agema]

Can I request a delay until 23.00 Sunday 11th please?

[Ironhawk]

Uhhh, I just got another turn for Forge even tho I'm away. Can admins please set ctis over to pasha pls?

[Calahan]

@ All

Game delayed by 6 hours.

[Lingchih]

Woohoo! About to be back to 4 games. Good luck Pan. I am of course defending. Should not make much difference, though.

[Jarkko]

The Ashdod giants should have picked their fight a bit more smarter. Challenging a horde of manikin with a few giants is *not* the way to go (you need those slingers and archers, and lots of them, plus anything doing lots of AoE damage; the manikin have zero protection, so killing hordes of them is no problem, as long as you don't get hit yourself, because the manikin tend to stun whoever they get in contact with). Pangaea is all about happines, flowers and humming birds, but being backstabbed twice by same nations is slightly annoying... Especially as Ashdod killed the prophet of Matonen with dastardly and evil assasination spells, that was really the final drop, grrrrr.


In other news, could R'lyeh please ask the Starpawns to spawn somewhere else than in Pangaean lands? It gets boring to kill the spawning Starspawns every turn, you know. Give them a map or something before sending them through the void gate, and remind them that land =/= water, target water when jumping out of the void, not land!

[Lingchih]

Did it ever occur to you Jarkko, that I wanted to kill the nation off?

I had nothing. No money, little land, no prospect for expansion. I took the nation over not knowing how pitiful of a position it was in. But, I did take it over, and I finish whatever I do. So... the quickest solution was to poke you with a stick so you would come kill me. Mission accomplished.

[Maerlande]

Ryleh simply wants to say that insane starspawn are insane. We have no control over their actions. However, it did provide an interesting scouting report.

[Jarkko]

Did it ever occur to you Jarkko, that I wanted to kill the nation off?

I had nothing. No money, little land, no prospect for expansion. I took the nation over not knowing how pitiful of a position it was in. But, I did take it over, and I finish whatever I do. So... the quickest solution was to poke you with a stick so you would come kill me. Mission accomplished.

Hey no worries, I was just teasing you :) I am after all glad you decided to poke me and not somebody else; to be honest, I prefer to see the former capital of Ashdod in the hands of far Pangaea rather than some evil nation you might have gone poking ;)

[Lingchih]

Nice battle at the castle. Enjoy it. Just one prov left for you to take until I can get out of this godforsaken game. GG Jarkko.

[Jarkko]

Nice battle at the castle. Enjoy it.
Ok, I suppose I won the battle then :) Haven't seen the turn yet, was a bit afraid to attack, but decided to push in rather than go for the domkill this time. I bet the losses have been horrible for me, manikin and maenads aren't exactly the primary choice to send against fort defenses shooting masses of shrapnel...

[vfb]

Speaking of horrible losses, Smaug will temporarily unavailable for confessional while he once again navigates the paths of the underworld. His prophet, the apparently unkillable diplomat Riego, is still alive and kicking, and will preside over Church ceremonies and inquisitions in Smaug's absence.

Marignon bestows our blessings on Man for giving Smaug the pleasure of paying a visit to the recently departed. And we also appreciate Man's efforts in eliminating the health benefit costs for a few mages who had seen better days.

-- Ordo Mors Serpens

[Calahan]

Brong is confused that the followers of Smaug seem happy at the dispatching of their hissing God. But if that is indeed what pleases them, then we wish them well with their many endless months of genuflecting to return him to this war-strewn plane.

But be warned that those who are devoted to Brong will not be so readily converted to follow the words of another, and a repeat fate awaits Smaug and his foolish flock should they again return to attempt the spreading of their false preachings.


Elsewhere, Brong welcomes the sudden arrival of our new neighbours at the site where an omni eyed ruler of giants previously sat upon his throne. And one wonders if they are going to be friends to their deprived nature loving cousins?

[Jarkko]

Pangaea does not wish anything else but peace and happines to reign in the world. Especially peoples who are true followers of Nature are regarded with utmost respect, thus long life and prosperity is wished upon them.

[Maerlande]

Do we have a potential stale developing?

[Calahan]

Nope :)

Thanks for the delay just in case though QM (or Archae). Much appreciated. Got caught up doing a few essentials when I got in from work. Just sent the turn now though.

[Jarkko]

Abysia and Atlantis decided to throw their act together, and attacked fair Pangaea. Why can not the forest dwellers be left to live in peace and write some harmonous poems? :(

Although I have to say the attempt from Atlantis was pitiful. I would love to roll on the floor laughing at that "attack", but honestly, the attempt was so sad that I am simply too embarrassaded on behalf of Atlantis. Surely sending in commanders *alone* against Pangaea (I mean *Pangaea*, who is famous for eating commanders for breakfast) wasn't that brilliant stroke of geniousness, was it? To make matters worse, the commanders were the damn excellent H3 priests, who was sent for some pretender knows which reason into a province with absolutely zero manikin. For next round, please bring along *lots* of chaff, so that you wouldn't have to face similar embarrasments again; losing thugs to PD Harpies is possibly the second worst fate of any wanna-be hero (the worst fate would be to get kileld by markata PD...) after all.

On the other hand, I am quite impressed by the Abysian effort. Ok, so Abysians made some blunders too (and I am most delighted for that, the charts would look so bad without them), but I have to say that attack by 34 commanders (I suppose that is about every single warlock Abysia has ever recruited, right? I certainly hope no unscrupulous nation will take advantage of such a silly concentration of commanders so far from home) supported by a huge (for non-Pangaean standards, that is) army was excellently performed. I lost nearly two percent of my armies, and it hurts me inside :( Free spawn have feelings too, you know :(

[quantum_mechani]

(I suppose that is about every single warlock Abysia has ever recruited, right? I certainly hope no unscrupulous nation will take advantage of such a silly concentration of commanders so far from home)The 'warlocks' who can fly and thus zip back to the other end of my empire a turn or two, you mean?

[Hadrian_II]

The people of ulm call to the rest of the living world, we are slowly destroyed by the ermorian onslaught, and if no one will help us, we will soon be death. And i think i talk for everyone of the living people that the ermorian plague mast be stopped before the whole world becomes a place where only the undead walk.

[Agema]

Ermorian onslaught? Foul, treacherous lies!

Twice Ermor has had a surprise assault launched against us. Firstly by Mictlan, then at the end of that war, Ulm sought to crush our exhausted forces. Ermor has been on the defensive throughout; three times Ulm has besieged and stormed our northern fort and three times narrowly been repulsed; even now, Ulm holds territory that was Ermor's prior to their sneak assault.

If the tide has turned, it is no less than the cowardly opportunists of Ulm deserve!

[Jarkko]

(I suppose that is about every single warlock Abysia has ever recruited, right? I certainly hope no unscrupulous nation will take advantage of such a silly concentration of commanders so far from home)The 'warlocks' who can fly and thus zip back to the other end of my empire a turn or two, you mean?
Ah, but the warlocks have to have wings to be able to fly, no? There is always the danger of wings getting cut once the abyssian demons meet one of the proper Pangaean armies. It is unfair that the Pangaean PD always have to bear the brunt when evil nations attacks, but the harpy spawns have proven their worth tim and again; yet do not expect such an easy joy-ride in the coming battles. There will be blood and there will be splinters, mark my words!

[LDiCesare]

Atlantis commanders weren't actually attacking, they were fleeing C'tis capital, and had nowhere to go, so I thought this was as good a place to die in as any other.

[Calahan]

Bit short notice, but can I please request a 4 hour delay? Turn will likely be a huge rush job otherwise (PM-ed/emailed you about it as well QM)

[namad]

someone please declare war on me and come kill me so that man doesn't get my capital.


that is all.

[Calahan]

someone please declare war on me and come kill me so that man doesn't get my capital.

That's a nice sporting gesture I must say.

I battle back over many turns from the brink of defeat against a far superior enemy, that started the war in the first place, and now that same enemy is trying to deny me a profit from any victory I may achieve.

Man has more or less been Caelum's only opponent all game, so I'd be pretty pissed if someone came along and stole the prize at the last minute without doing anything to earn it. Especially if Caelum helped them to do it by 'gifting' them their capital. Asia Twist anyone?

There is such a thing as saying 'Well Done' to your opponent, and accepting a defeat with pride and dignity if you have lost a fair fight. Offering your only asset to a random neighbour who has had absolutely nothing to do with the relevant fight all game is certainly not very sporting in my books.

But then I learnt ages ago in life that not everyone accepts defeat graciously.

[namad]

I haven't had any reason to play in ~40turns and I haven't asked for a delay or staled or even failed to give someone orders... but I'm not sure I can continue to play after having been insulted by the only player I'm playing with. I've been wasting my time almost exclusively for the benefit of you enjoying a game..


*insults removed*

either way I would like someone to either kill me

P.S. I wouldn't even mind if you (man) killed me... I've been waiting dozens of turns for you to attack me and you never did so I just started mounting a nearly suicidal offensive in the hopes of pointing out to you that you could've defeated me dozens of turns ago (the first two or three times I did many many many turns ago I of course thought I had a shot)... but I long since gave up on that plan and I've just reinstituted it to demonstrate to you that I have nothing else and in several dozen turns have made no progress (in like 20turns I've recruited like 3units and had like 80desert)

[Calahan]

I haven't had any reason to play in ~40turns and I haven't asked for a delay or staled or even failed to give someone orders... but I'm not sure I can continue to play after having been insulted by the only player I'm playing with. I've been wasting my time almost exclusively for the benefit of you enjoying a game..


*insults removed*

either way I would like someone to either kill me

P.S. I wouldn't even mind if you (man) killed me... I've been waiting dozens of turns for you to attack me and you never did so I just started mounting a nearly suicidal offensive in the hopes of pointing out to you that you could've defeated me dozens of turns ago (the first two or three times I did many many many turns ago I of course thought I had a shot)... but I long since gave up on that plan and I've just reinstituted it to demonstrate to you that I have nothing else and in several dozen turns have made no progress (in like 20turns I've recruited like 3units and had like 80desert)
I obviously had no idea you have had no reason to play for ~40 turns, as you say, as there is no way I could know such a thing. And this actually comes as a shock to me given how enthusiastic I felt you were about this game. This latter remark I judge from the incredible frequency with which you sent me PM's in the early part of this game, mostly during the turns we were allies and not enemies. Although you still sent many PM's when we were enemies. So for you to now suddenly claim you have had no reason to play, basically from more-or-less the start of the game, is very surprising to hear indeed.

Although to say you have been wasting your time almost exclusively for the benefit of me enjoying a game is a very bizarre statement that I don't understand at all I'm afraid.

And I apologise if what I said insulted you, but I found your original comment very insulting. As from my point of view, that comment came across as saying "I'm about to lose to you, but you're not getting the prize you've been fighting for, as I'm going to give it away to the first random person who comes along. So Na-Na-Na-Na-Na".


You have edited your message, but I saw the original, so I will reply.


Yes I convinced Machaka to break their NAP with you and attack you. NAP's mean little in this game, so I didn't consider this to be a terrible incident. You gave me full notice of cancelling our NAP, which you honoured, and which is a credit to you. But the circumstances were vastly different I feel. You decided to attack me, your ally against Bandar, as I was by far the easiest target for you at the time. And like you said yourself, attacking in a different direction would run the risk of you encountering Pan. Which you didn't want to do at all.

As a result of your attack, and given you were over twice the size of my nation at the time, and the big advantage of flying mobility in a small area, I felt my only chance of survival was to turn to diplomacy, and find help against you asap. Frozen Lama / Machaka answered that call, for which he has my thanks. But the only losers in that very brief affair were actually Machaka themselves, who fell to a mirrored stabbing fate against Marignon. I guess there's a good lesson in there regarding 'Do unto others', as the saying goes :)


You say you have been waiting dozens of turns for me to kill you. Again, how the hell I'm supposed to know such things is beyond me. Or even why anyone would think that way / take that approach, during in a game. I admit some of your play has surprised me at times, but I have never played in a game with you before, and everyone has different ways of playing the game. Plus I have played in less than a dozen MP games to date, so I have far from a full book of example play-styles to judge players upon. So surprising play to me may be normal play to others.


I apologise in advance if I have said anything to again offend you. But many of you comments and remarks here make no sense to me at all, and indeed contradict almost all of your other actions. This makes it difficult to predict or judge any result that may occur from my own comments on this matter.

[namad]

this war was fun but you won it 20-40turns ago :)

obviously you can't see my .trn files so you can't tell how badly I am doing.... but... I figured after a few dozen turns of doing awful you'd eventually figure it out... now the problem is i can't make you kill me...

because if i gode you too much and then somehow you get unlucky and lose too many troops or commanders... then i seem like i lied and tricked you... but see... if someone else attacked me... well..

they might have had positive income at some point during the game and they might have a force 100times as powerful as mine instead of only 10times as powerful

I mean... not only have I not won any battles at all during this war, I haven't even managed to inflict 10% as much loses as I've sustained and not only that but there have been like 8battles in 45turns maybe less than 8? you have to admit this has been the most boring war ever, eh?


It's hard to fight a war with -200income (I took turmoil1luck3 because if I did very well and had many territories and a chance to win the added income over turmoil3 I felt would've been worth it... and if I wasn't going to win I wasn't going to win) every turn and no non-national gems and no trading while yes there were strategies I could have come up with that would've worked to defeat you they would've required the war to be twice as long as it has been and I'd probably have gone AI after 80turns of this :) so I tried making some giant random foolish attacks in the hopes of catching you off guard and obliterating you via some happenstance... (if you were able to predict all my good plays and prepare for them I figured bad play might work better than good play... and even if bad play didn't work well it would at least end the war faster even if it only gave me a like 10% chance to win.... now in hindsight bad play was somehow even easier for you to predict than good play but I couldn't've known that at the time)


while I was typing this long post I lost like 80% of my national resources :) technically I could've done a lot better if I was on defense every single battle but like I said I didn't have the patience to stall you for another 20turns now that I've taken such heavy loses no matter how hard I try to stay alive I wouldn't be able to last more than 10turns, problem solved!

I can't be sure but judging by how shortly before the hosting I posted I have a feeling abysia planned that attack before I called for it... which is quite an odd coincidence if true!

[Jarkko]

And now R'lyeh too attacked fair Pangaea. Keep 'em coming! Pangaea against four nations, and the situation *still* looks good! Let the killing commence, the armies of Pangaea are now in position for the counterattack :)

[LDiCesare]

You should start worrying when Oceania joins R'lyeh. They are allied, and looking at the score graphs and Oceania pretender, I think Oceania will be a clam-powerhouse and strong magic power pretty soon. I suppose Atlantis will fall to Oceania this turn, considering what little I have left to defend my fort.

[quantum_mechani]

clam-powerhouse Clams are unique items for this game.

[LDiCesare]

He probably has it, then. Still, best researcher and very strong pretender. I guess I'm not going to be the only one to bite the dust because of him.

[namad]

anyone want to trade me safe domain within their dominion in a single province where i somehow preach and prophet and god my dominion to stay positive without snuffing out in exchange for some sort of mercenary raiding i could perform?


if not I'll be dead in a couple turns....


(or I might try the plan without permission choosing a random direction)

[vfb]

After this turn hosts, I'll probably need a 24 hour extension. Plus I won't have internet to tell anyone I need a 24 hour extension. So ... extension pls? (In advance, for next turn). Thanks!

[Jarkko]

[righteous laughter]

And the counterattack on Abysia began. Abysia, kiss your butt goodbye, Pangaea is coming back with a vengeance.

Next in line: R'lyeh. Prepare to meet your doom. You can't hide, you can't run. Send in more trolls, they taste yummy for the manikin!

[some more righetous laughter]

[Maerlande]

Well,

Looks like trolls aren't quite enough but starspawn munched on maenads and manikins. Got more? Like lot's more?

Bah, it's too easy. Now if I could just figure out how to make them fly and catch those pesky commanders.

Mwaahhahahah

[Jarkko]

Well,

Looks like trolls aren't quite enough but starspawn munched on maenads and manikins. Got more? Like lot's more?

Bah, it's too easy. Now if I could just figure out how to make them fly and catch those pesky commanders.

Mwaahhahahah

Heh, R'lyeh destroyed a Pangaean scouting army (with heavy losses to them), and gets overly happy. My main armies are still tied against Abysia, but in its due time they will get back home to kick some squid butt :)

[Jarkko]

Caelum and C'tis joined the dogs of Abysia, R'lyeh and Agartha attacking fair Pangaea. We laugh at such pitiful attempts! Pangaea will prevail! The attackers are not in Ashdod. They are not in Pythium. I tell you this. It is all a lie. They lie. It is an Abysian play. Our initial assessment is that they will all die.

[Agema]

"Fair" Pangaea? From that Carrion Woods, it's more like decaying and decomposing!

[Ironhawk]

Oh I can tell you that from my end, CTis fully expects to die.

[Jarkko]

"Fair" Pangaea? From that Carrion Woods, it's more like decaying and decomposing!
What is this "Carrion Woods" thingy you are mentioning? Fair Pangaea has nothing to do with death and rot, even though perhaps sometimes in the distant past even some slightly sinister ways might have been forced to be utilised.

[Agema]

Oh honestly, did you lose a spell? That's very careless.

[Agema]

Incidentally, to interpose with something moderately important, can I request a 24h delay to Saturday 22.00 or so?

[Calahan]

Apologies everyone for all the recent Man stales. Some recent events in Real Life have resulted in me no longer having any control over where I go or what I do.

As such I am sadly going to have to step out of this game, and request a sub be found to lead the further fortunes of Man. I'll try to post a sub-hunting thread, but may not have time as I am literally about to board a flight. So if no thread appears, can I kindly ask QM to sort something out sub-wise.

Sorry again for the stales and for not being around recently to sort the problem out.

[Maerlande]

I'm talking with a potential sub for Man on IRC. QM, you available to negotiate? :) As my neighbour and ally in the game I sure would prefer that Man not stale more.

Maybe a delay QM?

[Maerlande]

Who played Man this turn? I need to talk to the player as Ryleh. We bumped accidentally.

[Hadrian_II]

We would like to inform the living nations of the world that ulm wont be able to contain the undead hordes for much longer.

[Agema]

Bah! The horde isn't your problem. There's barely a single unit in my entire roster - undead or living - than can do more than chip the polish off the armour of those damn Ulmish tanks. It's the Evo that hurts.

[Jarkko]

:(

When I got home yesterday in the evening, I started to make my turn. Trying to send it, and I had no connection. Tried over and over again, no dice. Prayed that somebody would ask for delay, but alas that did not happen. Thus I staled :( To add salt to the wound, the connection seems to be working now just fine...

[Ironhawk]

There were probs with llamaserver last night. That said, Aby staled too. Shouldnt have been too bad a turn for you?

[vfb]

Marignon is happy to see that Abysia has woken from their slumber, and hopes their fearless leader is not feeling too horrible at the moment.

The Council of the Death Wyrm has got some ants in their pants, and have organized themselves an invasion of Man. So, wake up, Man! 90 minutes to hosting, and your turn's not in. We promise that fighting Marignon will be much more fun that sitting around on Caelum's capitol forever.

Thanks also to Pan and C'tis for some nice spectacular battles for us spectators.

-- CotDW

[Jarkko]

The war on four fronts begins to take its toll even on the forces of fair Pangaea. C'tis has all but been knocked out (just their pretender left, and I finally got enough manikin to the front to take care of her next battle) though, and R'lyeh has just one army left (Ether warriors!) which will be dealt with next turn). Agartha has rejoined the fray with two massive armies (I guess they are running low on money and have to do *something*) and will prove a hard nut to crack (happily Pangaea has three decent sized armies in the area, so it will be a guessing game at who hits whome and where :) ).

Can't say this game has had a quiet lull for me, non-stop 100% action all the time on all fronts :D

[Maerlande]

Don't be fooled! Ether warriors are just a side issue. Beware the massed evocations and thaumaturgy. But then, you've lost a thousand or so to that before.

[Maerlande]

I have a strange proposal. It appears that there are few takers for subbing Abysia due to the micro challenges and the late game.

I would be willing to take over Abysia and we may have found a possible sub for Ryleh. Of course, that means I have extra intelligence on the Ryleh position, but Abysia and Ryleh have never been neighbours so it would be drastically different. The most affected by this proposal is Pangaea so I'd like to hear your opinion Jarkko.

Otherwise, we are in the difficult position that QM is out, Man is barely playing due to RL issues, and the game is stalling out.

Oh I should mention that I am a fairly good Abysia player with lots of SP and some blitz experience. And I currently have time to handle the micro.

Looking forward to the discussion.

Cheers,
Maer

[vfb]

No objections from me.

[Jarkko]

No objections from me.

[Ironhawk]

Yeah, I dont care.

Tho I do take exception to being called "all but knocked out". I jacked your army something proper, Jarkko! And good luck taking down my pretender

[Jarkko]

Tho I do take exception to being called "all but knocked out". I jacked your army something proper, Jarkko!
A few thousand maenads here or there doesn't an army make. Besides, my pans neeeded to take it slower for a while, they are godly sex-machines after all, but there are only so many hundred females they can keep satisfied a given day... ;)

[Maerlande]

Hi Folks,

My busy ness looking for subs has gotten me a new job. QM has set me up as admin for this game.

So I'll see if I can get the sub situation sorted out today so we can continue.

Cheers,
Maer

[Immaculate]

I wouldn't mind taking R'leyh if the hosting schedule is 50h+...

[Maerlande]

Cool Immaculate
It's at 48 hours but we've been extremely generous with delays.

I have lined up a temporary sub for a few turns so we can keep going. Please PM me your email and I will send you a turn to preview.

Let me know if 48 hours is okay. I don't imagine anyone would mind 60. We've been stuck all week looking for subs.

[Immaculate]

48h would be fine 90% of the time, its just sometimes things get a little busy. my e-mail is philgob (AT) hotmail (DOT) com.

[Immaculate]

wait, you were the one playing R'leyh right? Can you send me an e-mail describing what you were trying to do... who you allies were, etc.

[Immaculate]

can anyone link the mod?

[vfb]

Here you go (nohoarding.dm).

[Immaculate]

Sorry, one more:
the CB complete 1.5 (dh)?

i found the CBM 1.6 but i am not sure where i can find CB complete 1.5...

sorry to hold things up... i'll get going ASAP. should have some time this weekend to really delve into the turn and find out what the heck is going on.

[vfb]

Man did not get his turn in. Can we please get a sub for Man? Only some timely fleeing with extreme cowardice saved a couple of his thugs from certain destruction this month. Once brave Black Servant held his ground too long and was roasted for his efforts.

I sent Calahan a PM but did not hear back.

P.S. Immaculate, here is CB1.5 (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=43120)

[Maerlande]

I've been trying for a Man sub vfb in IRC. I've also PM'd Calahan without response. I'll see what else I can do. I didn't want to force a sub without talking to Calahan.

[Immaculate]

wow- this is complicated... pangea looks really tough.

[Jarkko]

wow- this is complicated... pangea looks really tough.

Pangaea is more than willing to sign peace with R'lyeh. It's not like we don't have our hands full on every front :)

[Immaculate]

my understanding is that your freespwan makes you a very dangerous opponent.

i.

[Micah]

Agartha has been reclaimed by her rightful rulers at last, and her glorious army has dealt a serious blow to the Pangaean menace. We urge the peoples of the world to remain steadfast to eliminate the threat once and for all.

[Maerlande]

Hey, can you come to IRC Immaculate? I can give you better coaching on Ryleh.

[Immaculate]

I'll try to get on IRC but i seem to be having some difficulties- do you have MSN?

[Immaculate]

Okay- i am on IRC- figured it out

[Maerlande]

Okay, I have the sub situation sorted out. I am putting a sub for Man unless I hear from Calahan.

Ryleh is now Immaculate
I am temporarily Abysia until QM gets his computer fixed.
Man is Kestrel`

[Immaculate]

Can we get an extension to tuesday morning- my wife's birthday is today and it would be inappropriate to play video games tonight. (though planning my turn on the work computer while a gel runs is completely cool i think).

[Maerlande]

12 hour extension underway. Let me know if you need more.

[Maerlande]

Due to my own error in forwarding emails, I have set another 12 hours to the clock. It probably won't be needed. Immaculate has his turn and is near ready.

[Immaculate]

Damnit- i played the wrong turn... i played the turn that was sent to me originally thinking it was the turn to play then submitted it and realized the turn i got from the server late this afternoon is the turn to play. I will need even more time; so sorry... I think i have the right turn now. Sorry to waste your time (i sort of know what i want to do now but i still need to give all the orders again)

Maerlande- sorry to hold things up- i think there was some confusion.

Immac.

[Immaculate]

Update:
i don't need any further extension- my soldiers are on the move- it said it accepted the turn so we should be good to go.

[Jarkko]

Do we have any plans for slowing down the hosting schedule for the Holidays? I'll be home, but usually I don't fire up the computer that much between Christmas eve and New Year, prefering to spend the time with my family.