Balance: Upload Pretenders

[chrispedersen]

Age:Multi-age
Frequency:40
Research: Std.
Mods:...Single Age, Balance & CBM 1.41 are combined in the attached BalanceGame mod. See: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=43566 for notes.
Map: Parganos 8+1; See below
Banned: Hinnom, Ashdod. Bogus Orders, Lab-filling.
GoodPlayerPledge: Yes please.


Map Discussion:

Due to the presence of LA-Atlantis, I wanted a map with around 15 provinces per player and fairly uniformly distributed water. I believe Parganos 8+1 fits that description.

My second choices were Pangaea and Primea Semi Rand (just for the interesting randoms). Absent objection I will open the game for pretenders later today.



Changes done by the Balance Mod:
1. Most path boosters are more difficult to build. Due to the limitations of editing, this means they are both more expensive (more gems) and require more paths to make.

This is to give a small boost to the nations that are naturally multipath: yomi, tc, bogarus come to mind, for example.

2. No generators. Clams, bloodstones, and fever fetishes are not forgeable. Compensation was given to the most affected nations. Except, sadly Machaka once again.

3. Old age is removed from some secondary units from weaker nations, (abysian assassins for example).

4. Some weaker nations get new national spells, units. Agartha, Yomi, Oceania.

Anyway most of the changes can be documented in the Balance mod.
(Which the most recent update to the mod will be attached to this thread tomorrow).

Because I wrote the mod, I will choose nation last.

ChrisPedersen: EA-Agartha
Ossa LA-Atlantis
Pelthin LA-Pangaea
Ghoul31 Ea-Niefleheim
AlpineJoe EA-Yomi
AlgaeNymph LA-Agartha
Bwaha EA-Sauromatia
The Vanishag LA-Mictlan
Strabo MA-Oceania

[Pelthin]

I am so game, since my first turn to sub in Nox was to see everyone lose. ;)

[Ossa]

I'd like to join as... uhm... LA Atlantis;)

[chrispedersen]

I am so game, since my first turn to sub in Nox was to see everyone lose. ;)

What nation Peltin = )

[Pelthin]

I am so game, since my first turn to sub in Nox was to see everyone lose. ;)

What nation Peltin = )

How about LA PANGAEA. That should be a good one to try. :)

[Alpine Joe]

I'll get in this as Yomi.

[ghoul31]

I'll take niefelheim

[AlgaeNymph]

I'd like to join as LA Argatha. I also have a comment and a question

The latest CBM is here (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=43120).

What are Bogarus Orders and Labfilling?

[chrispedersen]

It isn't a question of where the latest CBM is - I prefer 1.41.
It has higher seduction values, I prefer evening star v1.41.

Prison of Fire seems to have gotten stronger in 1.5... Although I do like the pretender changes in 1.5, and may incorporate those.

We'll give it a two more days for signups, and then start with however many we have.
With 6, we can use the RingwormAtlantis Map- does anyone have map preferences?

[chrispedersen]

Bogus has an order that allows him to target commanders. That order can be copied and pasted to other units. Not allowed

Also, suppose someone has artifacts. You know who. you fill up his lab with laurel helmets to stop him from making the forbidden light.

[the Vanishag]

Also, suppose someone has artifacts. You know who. you fill up his lab with laurel helmets to stop him from making the forbidden light.

Wow, that's evil. And a conceptual abuse of the game, as it exploits the fact that "gifts" can't be refused and that one's "vault" is finite. And once it gets started, the best way to get rid of those unwanted items would be to "regift" them to someone else... ugh.

Anyway, I'd like in, as LA Mictlan.

[Bwaha]

Hi, Sauromatia for me. :D

[chrispedersen]

Check out map choices listed in first post

[Strabo]

Uff... Well I'll join this game with... MA Oceania, I'd like to see it balanced :)

[Strabo]

Um, no, there is a place only for one water nation. I'll pick LA Pythium

[the Vanishag]

Check out map choices listed in first post

Paraganos is OK with me.

[AlgaeNymph]

Paraganos is one of my favorites so I'll choose that.

Hope I get the NW corner. :)

[the Vanishag]

I had a little trouble CBM 1.41, so <a href="http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=42022">here's the link</a> for anyone else who doesn't have it.

Strangely enough, the llamaserver link for 1.41 goes to the thread for 1.3...

[Alpine Joe]

I'm fine with parganos 8+1.

Also Chris: I was testing out Yomi in the balance mod, and I like what I see, but I can't make their new national spells do anything that I can discern. Is there some non-obvious effect? The flavor text is also a bit vague.

[Bwaha]

Okay I got the mods and will test it out.

[chrispedersen]

Um, no, there is a place only for one water nation. I'll pick LA Pythium

Actually Strabo, LA atlantis has a land start, so I will put you down for MA-Oceania. Unless you protest= ).

[chrispedersen]

I'm fine with parganos 8+1.

Also Chris: I was testing out Yomi in the balance mod, and I like what I see, but I can't make their new national spells do anything that I can discern. Is there some non-obvious effect? The flavor text is also a bit vague.

It is meant to be a bit vague =). I'll IM you offline =).

[AlgaeNymph]

Oh, will this version of Paraganos make sure we don't start surrounded by deserts and swamps? (Or am I thinking of some other map. I get confused, there's so many."

[chrispedersen]

Correct - I'm proposing llamas fixed version, 8+1, which balanced out the terrorities.

[Strabo]

Actually Strabo, LA atlantis has a land start, so I will put you down for MA-Oceania. Unless you protest= ).
Oh, it's LA Atlantis, I thought it's MA. Good, I'm Oceania

[chrispedersen]

Ok.. I *cannot* attach a file, either to the first thread or here. I am going to have to upload it to the llama server.

Start playing with the mod, make your pretenders. Let me know if you see anything untoward.

Good Luck all!

[chrispedersen]

Huh, could not do it with ie., was able to do it with mozilla. Go figure.

[AlgaeNymph]

No problems with the mod so far. :)

[chrispedersen]

Guys, lets get pretenders in...

[chrispedersen]

I'll take niefelheim


I think we're still awaiting Niefle pretender!

[chrispedersen]

Tien got a couple of new spells in this mod; One of the major ones "Angels Among Us" did not work. Despite a lot of work to try and make the spell function as intended, it was not possible.

Angels among us was supposed to battle summon an archangel. As all battle summons, it was not intended to be permanent.

As the only way to make it work was to make it a ritual spell instead, I have dones so. As part of continuing development I also added a "Flames of Our Youth" spell.

I don't want people to think I am trying to get untoward advantage or that they don't have time to analyze it. So I'll change to EA-Agartha. Nothing else changes for any other nation.

So the current BalanceGame; I'll ask llama to update it on the server as well.

[Bwaha]

I was hoping to start today. Who are we waiting for?
Can we just replace them??? :(

[chrispedersen]

The last person just sent in their pretender.
As soon as llama updates balance - we start!

[Bwaha]

That's good news. Let's get rocking... :D

[chrispedersen]

Ooops turns out I was wrong. Pelthin had already sent in his pretender, he was just updating.

We are waiting on Ossa!

I'll give him till the end of the weekend, or whenever Llama updates the balance mod, which is when we'll start. If an alternate wants to sign up that would be ok too.

[Bwaha]

It's just as well, I just changed my pretender.
I've got a new game plan... :D

[Ossa]

Just submitted my pretender.

[chrispedersen]

Cool Ossa - now we are just waiting on llama...Make sure to grab the updated mod.

[chrispedersen]

Ok... Game is Started! Make sure to get the current version (named 1.01).

Chris

[Pelthin]

I changed the name of the balancegame.dm file to balancegame1.01,dm to see if it would work and it does. But not sure if that is the solution, but that is the mod I had activated to create my Pretender, so I hope it is the right one..

[chrispedersen]

Generally it should work fine. Llamaserver required me to change the name, but even so changing the name is probably a good idea.

Now everyone can be absolutely sure they have the right version. So, I'd grab it from the first page.

[chrispedersen]

Generally it should work fine. Llamaserver required me to change the name, but even so changing the name is probably a good idea.

Now everyone can be absolutely sure they have the right version. So, I'd grab it from the first page.

Sorry guys - No good deed goes unpunished. I capitalize *one* letter. Which deprived Alpine Joe of half his gem income. As good as Alpine is - thats a bit much of a handicap.

Game restarted. Version 102 up on the front page.

Chris

[chrispedersen]

When the game restarted, apparently the password is reset to something I cannot know.

Use BalanceGame2.

[Bwaha]

Bump. I'm still in. :D

[Pelthin]

Just reuploaded my pretender to balancegame2

[Alpine Joe]

i will re-upload my printer, assuming that the restart of balancegame is invalid.

[ghoul31]

I get a " bad #startsite command" error when I try to create a pretender

[Bwaha]

If this game doesn't work I'll start one that is just a vanilla game. (I'll include worthy heros.) It just seems to me that the various mods just mess the game up. I won't give up on this quite yet.(Chris has done a fair amount of work to get it up and running.)

Bwaha :D

[the Vanishag]

I'm good.

[AlgaeNymph]

My pretender's re-uploaded. Hope I have a good location like I did with the restart.

[chrispedersen]

Hey Ghoul

You don't need to remake your pretender - if you have the old one just resend it into the new game.

However, do make sure you are using version1.02 of the mod.
I created a Niefle pretender no problem as a test.

Also ghoul, you might want to turn on private messages so people can respond offline.

Best wishes

Chris

[Bwaha]

I'm going to be gone tomorrow evening, I'm taking a group to go watch the Perseid meteor showers. I'll be gone for a couple of days. BTW tonite the rings of Saturn are going to vanish.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/whycassini/cassinif-20090807.html

:D

[chrispedersen]

We are only waiting for Strabo!

[AlgaeNymph]

Uh oh. I tried playing my turn and the game conked out on me. I have BalanceGame1.02.dm so what am I missing?

[AlgaeNymph]

Problem fixed. Here's what I had to do:

1. close the game
2. move the mods into another folder
3. make sure the "mods" folder only has BalanceGame1.02.dm and SingleAgeComplete.dm
4. start the program and play the game as normal

Hopefully, anyone playing other games can gradually reinstall the needed mods with no problem. I'm curious though, won't we be needing all those .tga files for the mod-added units?

[the Vanishag]

Problem fixed. Here's what I had to do:

1. close the game
2. move the mods into another folder
3. make sure the "mods" folder only has BalanceGame1.02.dm and SingleAgeComplete.dm
4. start the program and play the game as normal

Hopefully, anyone playing other games can gradually reinstall the needed mods with no problem. I'm curious though, won't we be needing all those .tga files for the mod-added units?

Aaargh! Even doing that, the game keeps crashing with a "bad #startsite" message. I didn't re-make my Pretender with Balance 1.02... is that causing the crash?

If so, I'm very sorry, everyone.

[Pelthin]

I am getting the same message, and was pretty sure I remade my pretender usingh the right mod.

[chrispedersen]

Hey guys,

No, no the bad site message is just a sign that you have a wrong version of the module. So far, if you follow the instructions very carefully, its worked every time.
Someone (not me) uploaded a file the llamaserver that is *not* correct. But if you follow do the following, everything should be ok:

1. Unload all balance mods in dominions.
2. Exit Dominions. (Very Important).
3. delete all balance mods in the mod folder (.dm)
4. download the balance game1.02.dm file from the first thread in this post. After you extract it into the mod folder it should have the size 212,497 bytes.
5. Start dominions, start the game.

[chrispedersen]

Problem fixed. Here's what I had to do:

1. close the game
2. move the mods into another folder
3. make sure the "mods" folder only has BalanceGame1.02.dm and SingleAgeComplete.dm
4. start the program and play the game as normal

Hopefully, anyone playing other games can gradually reinstall the needed mods with no problem. I'm curious though, won't we be needing all those .tga files for the mod-added units?

yes, you will need to copy them back. Just copy only the .tgas and you should be fine.

[Pelthin]

That seemed to work for me. So my turn is submitted.. For like the third time. :)

Never done so many 1st turns in my life.

:)

[Bwaha]

http://imgboot.com/images/Leo/med3dbravo_1.gif (http://imgboot.com/)

Good job Chris.

I should be back tomorrow so I shouldn't need a delay.

(I just hope I don't fall off the mountain trail.)

It's frikken a long ways to the ground...

:D

[chrispedersen]

Ok.. I'll try to keep an eye on it anyway.

Since I was up at 4 am I tried to look for the showers - no luck - too much city lights...

Hey, anyone a native of the northeast, give me a pm - I'd like to discuss forging opportunities...

[Ossa]

I hardly dare to say it loud - I cannot do my turn, as I get an error message "bad startsite command" :/

Dled everything again, the problem persists...

[chrispedersen]

LOL.. Hey Ossa.. no problem.
I've gone through this 4 times, each time it has worked, just fine.

Here's the crucial steps.

1. You have to unload the mods from Dominions.
2. You have to EXIT dominions.
2b. Delete any BalanceGame Mod. (Just the DM file)
3. Download the BalanceGame1.02.rar from the first thread in this post. Nowhere else, and not from llama.
4. Extract the Balancegame1.02.dm into the mods folder. After you extract it into the mod folder it should have the size 212,497 bytes.
5. Start the game.

Should work.

[AlgaeNymph]

Download the BalanceGame1.20.rar from the first thread in this post.Don't you mean BalanceGame1.02.rar?

[chrispedersen]

Download the BalanceGame1.20.rar from the first thread in this post.Don't you mean BalanceGame1.02.rar?

Yep, typo. thanks = )

[chrispedersen]

Well guys, we're still waiting for Ossa. I haven't heard from him... I was really hoping to get to the next turn way before now...

[Ossa]

I did everything again in the order you described - still I get the "bad startsite" command.

What else can I do?

[Ossa]

You can change my email and get the first turn yourself and try if you can get it done, I'll take over after the first turn if it works.

[chrispedersen]

Hey Ossa...
ok.. checking it now

Once again - it works fine.

Did you unload the modules.
Did you delete them?
Did you exit Dominions?
Did you download from this thread and confirm the file size? (Someone uploaded a bad file to the llama server; I don't have the ability to remove it).

[chrispedersen]

Send me your email in private - I'll send you the extracted BalanceGame1.02.dm

[chrispedersen]

After this next turn, we will go to a 24 hour turn schedule.

[chrispedersen]

Guys, I don't know what to do at this point.

I agreed to do one turn for Ossa..... but I don't want people to think I have an unfair advantage.

I've asked other people to run a turn..to no luck. its about 2 hours to process - and its always possible he could get a turn in.

[Bwaha]

So, whats going on? My turns are running fine. How about you guys?

[AlgaeNymph]

My turns are working.

[Pelthin]

Everything is working with me. Heck I am playing by myself in the other balance game, just to try out my pretender. :)


It's actually fun, knowing that no one else is out there to beat me. :)

[chrispedersen]

Laughing, yeah I've been leaving it alone since I saw you were playing it pelthin.

Everyones turns work - but I haven't heard from Ossa. I'd love him to keep playing.

I really don't want to slow down, I'd prefer if we don't hear from him to set him to AI. Thoughts?

[AlgaeNymph]

Look for a sub?

[Pelthin]

Yeah, I second the sub option, it is very early and they will most likely have a great time with the nation.

:)

[chrispedersen]

Actually, Ossa contacted me offlines a couple of hours ago and sent me his email addy. I'm hoping he will upload a turn. I'll try to keep an eye on it and delay it if not.

[Alpine Joe]

Glad to see the game is back on track.

Lets try to roll over a few quick turns to make up for lost time!

[Bwaha]

I'm up for that. Hey, can we set-up a blitz this weekend?

[the Vanishag]

I'm up for that. Hey, can we set-up a blitz this weekend?

Sorry to hold up the game further, but... I'm going out of town this weekend and will not have Internet access Saturday or Sunday. I should be able to get in any turns that are ready on Friday (Aug. 21st), but if it's not in by 22:00 GMT, it's not coming. After that, if the next turn could be pushed back to Monday (the 24th) at about the same time (22:00 GMT) I should be fine.

I might be able to do a blitz next weekend, if we start planning now.

[Bwaha]

I could do a blitz on the 30th. The 29th I'm going to be playing WiF all day. (World in Flames by ADG) :D

[chrispedersen]

I can possibly do the 30th. Trying to go to dragon con thereafter

[chrispedersen]

So Strabo - do you like your changes?

[Bwaha]

It looks like we may have our blitz today. I just got and submitted a new turn. :clap:

[Strabo]

Yeah, anything seems better :)

[chrispedersen]

Seriously guys,

We need to do something about Yomi! Largest by far - and probably transitioning to SC's.

I dont know if you guys played with them - but natural born darkness....

[Bwaha]

Anyone know where they are?

[AlgaeNymph]

Southeast corner, I believe.

[Bwaha]

Right. If fact I'm in contact with them. Let's see what happens.
I'll repay any donations for the cause... :D

[Alpine Joe]

Right. If fact I'm in contact with them. Let's see what happens.
I'll repay any donations for the cause... :D

Attacking a peaceful nation with no warning eh? I think you might be a little over matched though. We will see.

[Bwaha]

Hmm, I thought that fighting was what this game is about.

And attacking without a nap is fine, isn't it?

I may be over-matched fighting Yomi by myself, but others may join in, also it would be in their best interest to cause Yomi some greif... :fight:

[Bwaha]

I'm sorry guys, I need a break this weekend. I may be forced to evacuate due to a wildfire near my house.

[AlgaeNymph]

!

Where do you live? SoCal or Oz?

[chrispedersen]

Game is delayed 24 hours.
It will be delayed another 24 hours if bwaha needs it.
Quick hosting is on - so if he gets a turn in turns will run.

[Bwaha]

Okay, it looks like they aren't going to force me to evacuate.

So game on...

On the subject of Yomi. It seems to me that we have another overpowered Race.

I ran a solo game with them and found they are more overpowered than any of the older races.

1. Darkness. Its still broke, and they don't even need to cast it. (Innate power)

2. There's a hero that comes out of the box with shadow-blast as a power.(No gem cost either)

In other words this race should be heavily nerfed...

[chrispedersen]

I did heavily nerf it (compared to previous version).

I voiced my concerns to Alpine about this earlier that I thought it was (still) too strong - and it was his contention that the troops are chaff.

My inclination is to leave the current game as is and post nerf after. But I'd be interested in everyone's thoughts.

[chrispedersen]

Oh, and I think the shadow blasting hero is CBM/native, not mine.

[the Vanishag]

Hey, I'm back.

My inclination is to leave the current game as is and post nerf after. But I'd be interested in everyone's thoughts.

I'd rather not change the mod in mid-game.

[Alpine Joe]

Autocast darkness is very powerful, and I admit I am noticing its power now vs. Sauromatia, especially against his cavalry.

I still don't think it is drastically better than a jaguar warrior rush or niefel giant rush, but Yomi is very very good in this version of the mod. I would be okay with a nerf midgame, if that is the majority decisions. Extra weight should be given to Bwaha's opinion in this case as he is facing the brunt of yomi's strength.

One suggestion would be to give yomi a national darkness spell available at lower level and less gems. That way it would still require some research and effort, while not being too far off to be useable in repelling rush nations.

If we don't want to change mods, I would be okay with agreeing not to recruit anymore of my darkness auto-casting commanders as well.

[chrispedersen]

Just to continue my thoughts on it (and I would still like to hear others thoughts...

It has always been my intention to make "light lances" which, as you may imagine, allow the bearer to cast solar brilliance.

But moreover - there are a lot of nations that have partial or full darkvision- the agarthas, atlantis, and many of these nations are among the weaker nations.

So, besides boosting yomi - this made a lot of other nations more competitive.


Bwaha: You are the second best skeleton spammer in the game. Undead are immune to darkness. Instead of building cav etc - set up skelly spammers.

It may be too late because of Yomi's size. So far, I am not inclined to nerf in this game; I am thinking of decreasing the summons by the wolf brothers by 2 or so, and inreasing the cost of the incunabulai by 100.

[chrispedersen]

Also adviso: I'm traveling to Atlanta on Wednesday.. will be back monday.

I'm looking for a sub....

[Bwaha]

Sorry to be grumpy about darkness. IMO its a broken spell.

I think you may have the right line of thought with a light trinket CP. But I remember that wasn't possible with the way the game works.

I've always hated the spell 'Darkness', Its just too powerfull without a counter. (Yes I know about the spell that blinds everyone.)

Also I didn't think that you had already hit them with the nerf bat. (My Bad)...

AlpineJoe you are a gentleman, Don't modify your game, carry through and finish it. You have the position, use it.

I don't mind getting crushed quickly, It's getting crushed slowly that I don't like.

So go for broke. Enjoy your position... :up:

:D

[chrispedersen]

Er wednesday.. NEXT week.

[AlgaeNymph]

Did the game skip to turn 12 all of a sudden? I didn't get that turn in the mail. Would you hold the game for me if it is on turn 12?

[chrispedersen]

Well, it seems you did stale the last turn Algae
if you need extra time on this turn, I'll try to keep a look out for it.

[AlgaeNymph]

I just sent my .2h file in, but the reply says that it's waiting on my nation (Agartha) and that everyone else has sent theirs in.

[chrispedersen]

Well llama server takes some time to update.
However - if you are a turn behind, you'll have to download the latest turn, and then generate a turn. It won't accept a stale turn.

[AlgaeNymph]

Okay, this game is skipping turns on me. I've checked all my inboxes and no signs of turns 12 or 14. I sent in turn 13 but nothing happened, not even a reminder to send it in (which I did, twice). What's going on?

[chrispedersen]

There has been discussion about problems with the llama server doing that.

However, I personally dont' really think it is the lama server. Email is just a best effort - not guaranteed.

Algae, I try to keep an eye on turn deadlines by visiting www.llamaserver.net - and making sure I get turns in.

Absolutely can not rely on in box.

[AlgaeNymph]

I'll remember that.

So would you be able to send me a copy of turn 14?

[chrispedersen]

Someone asked for a copy of my turn - I guess that was you looking for your turn.

I don't have any ability you don't have on that Age - But I'll hit the button for ya... Althought it looks like you just got turn 15 in .. so it looks as if its resolved.

[AlgaeNymph]

Thanks. I got turns 14 and 15 okay though. :)

[Alpine Joe]

Be advised that the nation of Mictlan and its leader are filthy backstabbers. Immediately after signing a 3-turn NAP, they attacked several of Yomi's territories. Make no treaties with them, as they are unworthy scum who will show a peace agreement zero respect.

[the Vanishag]

Ha! Bats, Darling! The night terror, god of Mictlan fears neither the demons of Yomi nor their lying words (seriously, Joe, that NAP was 'signed' on the 18th... something like 8-10 turns ago).

The Rain Warriors of Mictlan shall not tolerate this insult to their honor! This means War!!!

...and Bats, Darling! will be back... soon... and that &!@# ghost general hero of yours will pay... in blood! ...wait, skeletons don't have blood, do they. Damn.

[Alpine Joe]

A NAP-3 doesn't mean 3 turns of peace vanishag, it means you have to declare it void three turns before you attack. This is pretty widely understood in the dominions community, although i'm sorry you weren't aware of the meaning of the term. Withdraw your forces and pay reparations for my fallen, and we can still have peace.

[Bwaha]

Well I welcome all the help I can get.

Seriously guys Yomi is running away with the game and I'm not getting any help. So send cash, lawyers, and weapons...

A few wands wouldn't hurt at all... :D

[Bwaha]

Well Yomi SCs already... Immortal no less...

:ahh:

Mictlan that was unfortunate.

Let's not do that again. :doh:

[the Vanishag]

A NAP-3 doesn't mean 3 turns of peace vanishag, it means you have to declare it void three turns before you attack. This is pretty widely understood in the dominions community, although i'm sorry you weren't aware of the meaning of the term. Withdraw your forces and pay reparations for my fallen, and we can still have peace.

Wow, that was a monumental n00b screw-up on my part. All I can say in my defense is that, in Water War, I had a periodically-renewed "no attacks for X months NAP" that another player proposed, so I took that for the norm.

As reparations, I offer the two provinces Yomi has taken in the past two turns. It's not as if I've inflicted much damage on you: I though my 1/2 darkvision Rain Warrior cap-only sacreds would be effective against Oni, but your Ao-Oni mopped them up. And, as you know, when my Pretender attemped to assasinate your Ghost General, my Pretender died.

If you decide to press your advantage, that's OK: by the way I understood the treaty, you have every right. If you want peace, I feel I have to offer it, as it seems the mistake was mine (sorry Bwaha...)

[Pelthin]

I tip my cap. I am out. I only have about 4 prov, and no troops or money.

I lost my Pretender last turn as well as all other forces.

I set myself to AI, I hope this is alright with you all. I am traveling next week, so this makes it easier than worrying about time zones jsut to move one guy a space or two.

:(

[Bwaha]

Bleh, I don't care for Yomi's commanders, but I will soldier on.

[ghoul31]

My computer has died , so I won't be playing anymore

[the Vanishag]

My computer has died , so I won't be playing anymore

Sorry to hear that. I hope you are able to get it fixed or get a new one soon.

[chrispedersen]

Game paused to find a sub.

[ghoul31]

I decided to get a new computer. So Can you delay the game for a couple of days?

[chrispedersen]

I've had separate requests for delays from Bwaha, Ghoul, and myself.

My internet connection will be spotty over the next few days, so my ability to respond to forum messages will be low.

So I'm postponing the game - unless people have significant objections.

[Bwaha]

Thanks, Things are busy for me right now. :D

[the Vanishag]

That's OK with me.

Moreover, it will give the demons of Yomi a chance to consider the folly of their ways, lest they all meet the fate of those who dared to (literally) darken the door of Mictlan's capital.

(nothing clears up an Oni infestation like well-spammed Banishings)

[Alpine Joe]

That's OK with me.

Moreover, it will give the demons of Yomi a chance to consider the folly of their ways, lest they all meet the fate of those who dared to (literally) darken the door of Mictlan's capital.

(nothing clears up an Oni infestation like well-spammed Banishings)

I was wondering how long it would take someone to start spamming that spell...cursed holy 3! Ah well, armies of Ao-oni were sooo year 2 anyways ;0

[chrispedersen]

LOL.. I was wondering myself alpine. Didn't want to say toooo much as all my casters are... H3 =).

Just remember the smite demon / cleansing waters when the SC's show up =)

[the Vanishag]

also, Hell Power increases ALL magics, including Holy, by 2, which is very nice when stacked on a H3 banish

[Alpine Joe]

Yeah hellpower banish has caused me some problems. You leave me no choice now but to initiate total war.

[the Vanishag]

Yeah hellpower banish has caused me some problems. You leave me no choice now but to initiate total war.

Hmm... what to do about that SC of yours? I suppose I should start fielding SCs of my own. I'll accept equipment donations of any sort from anyone who doesn't want Yomi to run away with the game.

[chrispedersen]

hey guys...
Before I left, I delayed the game 144 hours - as I said I was going to do.

I got the confirmation screen the game has been delayed.. and I left. I am just getting back now.

The game has staled 5 times, for a cause not my own making.

Which probably ruins the game as far as I am concerned. I'd like to hear what other people hear about resetting the game to turn 22.

[ghoul31]

when you set the deadline for Tuesday, I was the only one that hadn't sent in a turn. When I sent the turn in, it switched back to 24 hours.

But nobody attacked you the whole time you were gone. So you are still in good shape.

[ghoul31]

If you want to reset the game to 22, thats fine with me

[the Vanishag]

hey guys...
Before I left, I delayed the game 144 hours - as I said I was going to do.

I got the confirmation screen the game has been delayed.. and I left. I am just getting back now.

The game has staled 5 times, for a cause not my own making.

Which probably ruins the game as far as I am concerned. I'd like to hear what other people hear about resetting the game to turn 22.

This blindsided me (I should have been checking the forum), and has major consequences for me. I'm ok with it, but some weird stuff has happened:

(1) we're on turn 23 now, not 22 - is this where we should be, or will there be another rollback?

(2) the turn is due later today? I don't know about anyone else, but I need at least another day to reassess the situation and communicate with other players (I PM'ed Chris about this a few minutes ago).

Under the circumstances, I'm not going to try and send a provisional turn in - again, I'm OK with the rollback, I just need more time to adjust.

[chrispedersen]

I wanted to say thank you to Strabo for playing - I hope he enjoyed the game.

I also wanted to make everyone aware that he was the artist behind the icons - so thanks are due there as well.

There will be a Balance Game 3 - with a few adjustments to yomi (not too many) and a whole new set of adjustments for machaka.
So, keep an eye out for it... current players will have preference.

Again, best wishes Strabo

[Strabo]

Thanks, Chris :)
Thanks all for a good game :)

[the Vanishag]

I wanted to say thank you to Strabo for playing - I hope he enjoyed the game.

I also wanted to make everyone aware that he was the artist behind the icons - so thanks are due there as well.

There will be a Balance Game 3 - with a few adjustments to yomi (not too many) and a whole new set of adjustments for machaka.
So, keep an eye out for it... current players will have preference.

Again, best wishes Strabo

Thanks, Strabo! and, now that I'm being double-teamed by Yomi and Niefelheim, I figure I'm next... "give my love to Rose, please won't you mister?"

[Alpine Joe]

More of a three-way then a double team, as Niefelheim is attacking me as well. How rude of him to interrupt a private fight.

[Bwaha]

I'm looking for Blood and Death gems. I will repay them with Skull Mentors. PM me if interested... :D

[Bwaha]

This is a done deal.

Thanks to the person who purchased them.

May they serve you well... :D

[chrispedersen]

Hey guys:

We need to coordinate an answer to this well of misery. Not only is he earning 21 death a turn, all his lands are earning 10% more tax.

The game may be over except for the shooting match. But we have to try. I am willing to contribute to the effort. Anyone else that is - please im me.

Chris

[chrispedersen]

I am currently without power. I am probably going to have to delay hosting, as the library computer does not allow dominions.

[ghoul31]

Can you end balancegame? I don't see the point of keeping that one going?.

[chrispedersen]

I can't end it.

Llamaserver has a bug such that when you restart a game, it wipes the password.

Soooooooo I have no access to the llamaserver - neither, ironically, does llama.

[chrispedersen]

Great. Entire army refused to move..

Result: 10 dead mages.

[chrispedersen]

Admin notes: Could not submit turn (invalid turn number)
Rolled back resubmitted - turn processed ok.

Make sure you use current turn.

Chris

[chrispedersen]

Gold star of approval!

Thank you The Vanishag for not only playing but for dragging it out to the bitter end. Great job!

I hope you will consider playing in Balance p III!

[chrispedersen]

Ossa, please contact me

[chrispedersen]

Hey guys, this morning I postponed the game for 6 hours (which can be seen from the log). However the llamaserver seemed to blow through that without paying attention.

I've rewound the turn and will delay it for an additional 6 hours, to let the only other person who staled submit a turn.

Also, we've gone 70xish turns on 24 hours cycle - Congrats all.

I am going out of town Saturday night, returning tues, so the game hosting will be altered to accomodate that.

[chrispedersen]

Guys,

I just found out that Yomi has been staling.
He had told me he needed more time (for a failing monitorr) and that he wanted to talk with y'all about conceding but I did not realize he had not come back.

I have sent a message to him to see where this stands. How do you all want to proceed?

[AlgaeNymph]

Well huh.

I say we wait for him to reply.

[Alpine Joe]

Okay Guys, I have just had a week that consisted of an absolute cluster**** of computer and real life problems, one after the other. I found a dominions-literate friend to cover for my simple games, but this one was out of his league, so I was forced to let it stale. At this point, I should be back in business, and ready to resume the game, but after looking at the latest turn, I wonder if there is really any point. ChrisP has a pretty massive lead in nearly every category, with a well of misery that is over 350 death gems, etc. I don't really see even a concerted effort by all of us being able to stop him, and would be willing to declare him the winner at this point. Of course, if you guys all want to keep fighting, I will try to recover from my stales as best I can, and my nation certainly has a lot of resources left I can try to leverage against him.

HOwever, rather than waste many hours of time in lategame micromanagement, my preference would be to start some kind of balancegame3 at this point.

Thoughts?

[AlgaeNymph]

However, rather than waste many hours of time in lategame micromanagement, my preference would be to start some kind of balancegame3 at this point.

Thoughts?Hm...

I'm open to a new game.

[ghoul31]

lets keep playing

[chrispedersen]

Hey guys,

Joe, I'm sorry to hear about your troubles.

I would also vote to declare the game finished, especially if one or more people really didn't wish to continue.

How about if both ossa and algae wish to continue this game, we will (as it will be 3-3) and if not we start up Balance 3. I wouldn't mind giving ghoul first choice of nations.

Is that acceptable?

I'd also like to find out what people thought aboout the changes to the path boosters, gem generators, etc. And or what they would like to see.

Chris

[chrispedersen]

Nothing from Ossa or AlgaeNymph yet.

And Yomi hasn't submitted a turn... what should we do?

[AlgaeNymph]

I'd like to start up Balance 3.

[Alpine Joe]

My turn is waiting to submit if people want to continue playing.

However it sounds like a majority are interested in calling it quits? Of course we don't want to screw over ghoul31 if he still thinks he has a legitimate shot at winning. I will take a few hours to hear from Ossa, then submit my turn.

[chrispedersen]

Leaving the question of Balance2 for a moment, I have opened a thread for Balance3. I'd love to start general discussion on parameters for Balance 3

[chrispedersen]

Well, as there has been no further discussion, absent objection I will close this game. I'll leave a further 24 hours for discussion.

[ghoul31]

I don't understand why you are ending this right in the middle of the game.

[chrispedersen]

Well, I asked what you would like to have happen ghoul.

Yomi wishes to concede/quit. He's in second place, and Agartha also expressed a desire to quit and start Balance 3.

Right now, my gem income is something like 140 a turn (from memory). I have all the globals, 26 forts or so, and an income in excess of 6000 per turn. I am #1 in every category, except provinces, iirc, and I'm in position to pick up provinces fairly easily.

The other players don't wish to continue (with the possible exception of ossa, who we haven't heard from). I haven't heard any suggestions from anyone on what to do *other* than conclude the game.


Shall we set them to AI? Hold the game and attempt to recruit players, knowing it will be very difficult to get replacements?
If we do change the players out, they will have a huge learning curve - and it sort of changes the integrity of the game.

Also, I would note that you and I have a NAP+3, and you've never notified me that its off. So honorably speaking, its at least 3 more turns before hostilities would commence.

[chrispedersen]

Hey one more note.

I just downloaded my turn. Despite paying way more than 100 gems to cast spells none of my spells were cast.

The turn came back with the wizards still casting their spells.
Did anyone else have this problem or just me?

It seems as if the magic phase was just.. skipped. So for example I should have more than 100 more children of rhuax on our border.

I am more than happy to have somoene neutral download the turn and verify what I said - for example, llama.

[ghoul31]

Well I am getting ready to attack you. That should even things out. I am am ending our NAP as of now.

[Alpine Joe]

If ghoul wants to keep playing, I will as well. I think he will come to realize Chris P's inevitable rise when the latter thoroughly crushes him.

[ghoul31]

If ghoul wants to keep playing, I will as well. I think he will come to realize Chris P's inevitable rise when the latter thoroughly crushes him.

If you are still playing, then submit a turn.

[chrispedersen]

Hey guys... It looks as if everyone is once again playing and that we are going to continue ...

I will try to get my turn in and to be more punctual thereafter, tho I do not believe I will be able to keep up a 24 hour schedule..

Good luck all!


I am concerned about lack of spells. If it happens again, we will have to roll back and submit to illwinter... so lets keep our fingers crossed!

[ghoul31]

If nobody is going to send in a turn, just declare me the winner and lets end this.

[chrispedersen]

Sorry =). I'm working on mine.. but see my mail to you...

[AlgaeNymph]

My nation is losing big time and I really don't have the time for all the micromanagement required, particularly since I'm not playing this for money.

I'd like to find someone who thinks they can turn around a losing nation and would like some expert guidance.

[chrispedersen]

yeah, this is what I pretty much expected... Algae can you post for subs?

And we'd appreciate if you can stick around till one is found.

We're still waiting on Alpine for the turn.

[chrispedersen]

Hey guys..
I had two big fights this turn. My version shows they won - but the map shows I lost.
I don't mind - we don't have to rollback - but if you won a fight against me can you please tell me

a). What commanders are left on the province, and ending status. Ie., what afflictions, hp, etc.
b). What troops?

[ghoul31]

In Lombardia, the battle shows you won, but the summary shows I won. I don't know what it means.

[chrispedersen]

Interesting. I think we should send these to KO. I know there is a patch coming out, and perhaps they can nail this one down.

This is the first time I have heard of both oppenents showing player A winning, and the map reflecting player B winning.
Sad, as mine shows me killing even your big two SCs.

Anyway, Ghoul, can you send zip up your turn file, father land file and send it to info@illwinter.com. Also send your last turn .trn and .2h?

I'll do the same.

We'll give them a couple of days to respond....?

[ghoul31]

what is a turn and fatherland file?

[chrispedersen]

Arg. widows turns of viewing file extensions by default. In xp you need to go to folder view and turn on viewing file extensions.


the turn file is the file in your saved games folder that ends in
.trn

This is the file that you get via mail from llamaserver.

similiarly in the same folder you should have a file named
fatherlnd or something similar.

the .2h file is the file you send TO llama - it contains your orders for the turn.

[chrispedersen]

ghoul, alpine...

Can you send me a list of what was left and what was killed in the fights..

Ie., intelligence so I know what I'm fighting?

I don't mind continuing, if I have some idea of whats there, and whats available for you to throw at me....

[Alpine Joe]

I don't mind making public that you killed nothing of mine in that fight chris. If it helps, the whole fight was basically your troops trying to kill two thugged tarts (no artifacts) while wrathful skies killed them from my pheonix. The latter was killed but is immortal so is back in my cap with meaningless afflictions. I picked up no items from your dead commanders.

[chrispedersen]

ER more to the point, I wanted to know what is there...
Private would have been preferred as well +)

[chrispedersen]

Guys, cmon please.

Right now I have no idea whats occupying my provinces and sieging my castles. Kind of leaves me in the dark on how to do my turn!

[ghoul31]

So roll the game back then.
Or use this as a handicap since you are winning.

[chrispedersen]

I'll wait 12 hours for comment and roll it back, then.

[chrispedersen]

So its rolled back. So we need to resubmit turns.

[chrispedersen]

Guys,

Between moving, repairing the house, and the other game I am in, I have not been able to keep up with this game. I haven't looked at the position in more than two weeks; the idea of having to redo turn 83 is just.. sickening.

I am sorry that I have dragged my feet. I don't think ghoul31 has any chance of winning actually - but I've long since stopped caring. I am willing to declare him the winner.

I'm also willing to look for a sub. Cleary we have to do something.

I know that most of you are in the same boat on this. I like the balance mods and I don't want to hurt the series. But I need some guidance on what to do.

Chris

[ghoul31]

I'm fine with ending it.