The Early Days. Game running.

[Burnsaber]

NEWS:

Ok, the game is started. Everything seems to roll smoothly and I was able to receive and send my turn for R'lyeh fine.

Please note that one of the land starts is now empty and it will give a slight advantage to those nations who start near that empty start. Other nations are highly encouraged to take this advantage into consideration when bondering their diplomacy.

Thanks for everyone for sticking out through the bug-hunting process.


http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=TheEarlyDays


__________Game Info________________
Starting Nations: ~10-13 (depending on intrest), all three water nations must be on this game.
Skill Level of Players: Any, as long as the player has signed Baalz's pledge and is devoted to follow it.
Era: Early
Map: Edited version of Panganean Earth, see the download (Jenga2)
Mods: CBM v1.5, no gem generators, UWGIM v.0.83 (EA version), CPCS v0.8
Complimation mod containing all of these is added to the first post (Jenga1).
Settings: Renaming on, HoF 15, Sites 35 (like in LA), otherwise standard
Diplomacy: Backstabbing highly encouraged

Hosting Scheducle & Delays:
24h per turn until turn 25, then 36h to 45, then 48h to 65 and finally 60h after turn 65

Delays are granted on request, at the start of the game, I'm going to appoint a secondary admin to allow for quick extension granting.

Victory Condition
1)Player will win if he holds 5 capitols and 53 provinces for 2 consecutive turns (when someones winning, you have to act immediately!)
2)The surrender of other players.


Introduction
Important, must be read before sigining!

The idea of this game is to create an action packed game with the special map that is lacking in choke-points and surrounded by water. The players will start on clearly marked fixed starting positions placed at the edges of continent. No player will start in the clumps of wastelands in the middle.

We will be testing and using 2 mods in this game. CPCS, short of CrossPathCombatSpells adds 36 new crosspath combat spells, mostly for early game and late game use. There is a full on-line spell list for the mod, just follow the links in my signature.

The another mod, UWGIM, short from Underwater Gameplay Improvement mod changes several things to make it easier to get out of water and to get into water, in order to allow water nations to actually participate in the game. There is a full lsit of changes by the mod in the mod thread. See signature for details.

Players are expected to fight for the bitter end. The Baalz's good player pledge is a requirement to join this game. The province count per player isn't too high and victory condition is actually achievable. This should hopefully result in a action-filled game full of drama, hitting for a epic finale before turn 80.

All settings are not etched in stone, the map will change for example if we can't achieve enough players for Panganea. So if somethings really buggin you, speak up and I'll see what I can do.

Nation selection is handled on a "first come, first served" basis, but all three water nations must be on the game (players should remember that all of them get new treats by the UWGIM mod, they should be more fun to play now). Hinnom can be picked, but it will be granted a special start in the middle of the desert cluster at the west side of the continent to give it a thematic handicap. Sauromatia, Niefelheim, Caelum, Fomoria will be given somewhat poor starting locations with only 2 neighbours should they be picked. This might result in a situation where players can deduce where these special nations start (start locations will be marked on the map.tga), but if you are one of the 5 nations affected by this, I think that the nation can handle the heat.

There is a problem with players not bothering to read all of the first post before joining, so, as a finale, I'm going to test you if you read all of this. When you sing up, you NEED sneak in a password "Jenga!". It doesn't have to be in any context, just type it in the post where you announce your participation to this game. If you don't say the password, your signing will be put on hold until you do. This might seem silly, but I want to be sure that the players know what they are getting into and agree with the terms of the game.

Also, because no-gem-gen mod eliminates Blood Stone as an earth Booster, Peddle Skin Suit is moved to construction 6 with a cost of E4B1 to compensate for the lack of second earth booster.

Nations and Players signed for the game:

Burnsaber - R'leyh
Squirrelloid - Atlantis
Frozen Lama - Oceania - DEFEATED
Baalz - Hinnom - DEFEATED
Ghoul031 - Agartha -DEFEATED
Sensori - Fomoria
Lingchih - Niefelheim
Shard - Mictlan
Jarkko - Maverni --DEFEATED
Isokron - Lanka
Illuminated One - Ulm
Rdonj - Tir' Na O'gg


Jenga1 contains the mod while jenga2 contains the map. The burningpanganea.zip file contains updated .map file.

[Zeldor]

Maybe you could test F/W thugs mod here too? As my mod game didn't work. Too bad I don't have tiem for more games...

[Frozen Lama]

i can't resist. oceania

jenga!

[Fakeymcfake]

Sign me up for Pan and yeah I'd like it if the suit moved to make it easier.

[Frozen Lama]

fakey- you are officially following me..... its a little creepy. if i start right next to you again, i might just have to quit ;)

[Fakeymcfake]

Oh and Jenga!

And and, where can I find the no gem gen mod?

[Burnsaber]

Maybe you could test F/W thugs mod here too? As my mod game didn't work. Too bad I don't have tiem for more games...

I'm really familiar with the mod in question. This is game is quite "moddy" already, adding more might scare players away.


And and, where can I find the no gem gen mod?

Link added to the first post.

[ghoul31]

Niefelheim

[DakaSha]

im not signing up but im using this thread as a "****list" generator ;)

[rdonj]

This sounds really tempting... but I shouldn't :(

[Burnsaber]

Niefelheim

You might want give the first post a second read. Just a friendly hint.


This sounds really tempting... but I shouldn't


Yes, you should. Fall to the temptation..

[Baalz]

Hmmmm, I've been wanting to give Hinnom another look in a MP game since the nerf. With no blood stones and a handicapped starting position maybe I can do that without feeling too guilty. If anybody objects too much to me taking Hinnom I don't mind picking something else, maybe a nation like Jenga?

[Fakeymcfake]

I'd be fine with it fully knowing that I might be spelling my own untimely demise in this game.

[IntoStructure]

Put me down for Jenga. I mean R'lyeh

[Lingchih]

I think I will take Niefelheim. Haven't played the big bruisers in a while. And I'll name my pretender Jenga.

[Trumanator]

Fomoria sounds good to me :) By the way, did I mention how much I love JENGA!

[Trumanator]

Just a question on the nations w/more difficult start locs. Why are Mictlan and Lanka absent? I would definitely put them ahead of Fomoria at any rate, though I can understand why Fomoria is there, especially in this game.

[Burnsaber]

Just a question on the nations w/more difficult start locs. Why are Mictlan and Lanka absent? I would definitely put them ahead of Fomoria at any rate, though I can understand why Fomoria is there, especially in this game.

Well, any EA list of power nations is pretty arbitary, all of them are pretty powerful. When I was making this game, I just decided to include the 4 nations with most wins in the victorious nations thread (arbitary, I know, but you have to put the line somewhere).

So far, there has been one vote for putting Pebble Skin Suit to con6 with E4B1 cost to replace Blood Stone. I'll give all joining players one vote and if the end result is positive, it's going in.

[shard]

Just wanted to let you know
Even though I may be out of my depth
Nevertheless I'd like to
Give Mictlan a go
And I have no problems with blood stones

[DakaSha]

Just wanted to let you know
Even though I may be out of my depth
Nevertheless I'd like to
Give Mictlan a go
And I have no problems with blood stones

looool ;)

[Frozen Lama]

just to be sure: i assume the map will have nostarts, or something so no water nations end up in a lake?

[Burnsaber]

just to be sure: i assume the map will have nostarts, or something so no water nations end up in a lake?

Yeah. I'll make the edited map for this game once I know the how many players can I allure into this game. It will have fixed starts (marked on the map .tga)

[Baalz]

Vote yes to pebble skin. I command it!

[Trumanator]

Pebble skin sounds fun! Question though, does the troll that the wearer eventually turns into have upkeep?

[ghoul31]

Agartha
Jenga!

[Squirrelloid]

Its amazing how much the denizens of EA Atlantis love playing Jenga. I mean, I love playing Jenga. I mean, EA Atlantis. err..

Expect something kind of silly... (but it might just work! This time for sure! No hats were harmed in the making of that statement, but the management refuses to comment on the status of any moose, or Jenga sets.)

Edit: Kindly request the game doesn't start before next Sunday?

[Burnsaber]

Pebble skin sounds fun! Question though, does the troll that the wearer eventually turns into have upkeep?


It probably has gold cost 60, like all other trolls.

The status of the Pebble Skin Suit is 3 yay's and 1 nay. If we want to get mathematical, thats 3-1 = +2. So it looks like it's coming in.


Edit: Kindly request the game doesn't start before next Sunday?


Yeah, can do.

Allrighty then. 3 more players and my vision will be made manifest!

[Jarkko]

By Jingo!*

I've wanted for some time try Marverni in MP, because I suck with them in SP :) Please sign me in as Marverni.




*Please replace "i" with "e", and respectively "o" with "a".

[Squirrelloid]

Am I to assume that water starting provinces will be from the really big ones (that would ultimately help quite a lot with some of the water nation problems).

[Isokron]

I would like to jenga you all with Lanka.

[Illuminated One]

I'd like to join as Ulm.


Btw. Why are you all saying Jenga all the time?

[Fakeymcfake]

I'm going to be moving this friday to my university. I'll likely be able to get back on in a matter of a day or two but if not I've asked chrispedersen to cover for me. So depending on when we're going to start I should be able to get my pretender in at least, if not I'll have him send it in and play a few turns.

Or, if people feel that this will overcomplicate matters, I can back out of the game now.

[DakaSha]

i love this lol

[Lingchih]

Heh, Let's just play. We have enough players, correct?

[Burnsaber]

I'd like to join as Ulm.


Btw. Why are you all saying Jenga all the time?

I'm about 99,99% sure that you are joking, but because there is that 0,01% chance and I'm paranoid, I have to ask:

You read the first post, right?

I'm going to be moving this friday to my university. I'll likely be able to get back on in a matter of a day or two but if not I've asked chrispedersen to cover for me. So depending on when we're going to start I should be able to get my pretender in at least, if not I'll have him send it in and play a few turns.

Or, if people feel that this will overcomplicate matters, I can back out of the game now.

It's okay. We aren't starting before sunday anyway.

Heh, Let's just play. We have enough players, correct?

Soon enough. I'll make a complication mod and finish the map today. The game will start on sunday, to give time to testing and stuff.

[Calahan]

Awesome Burnsaber. Absolutely AWESOME!!!

Just read the first post, and I've always wanted to find a way to make players who sign up for games to actually read all the rules and notices before doing so. And now I know how to do it :)

Best of luck with the game everyone. And hope the mod-testing goes smoothly Burnsaber.

[Burnsaber]

Allrighty. Map and complimation mod done! See the download in the first post.

The "random" starting locations are not exactly equal, but all have at least 3 province difference to nearest capital and 3 or more neighbours.

With fixed visible starts and the lack of chokepoints in the map, people should be wary of early rushes and plan for them.

[Jarkko]

The Jenga mod is all that I have to enable, right? Or do I need to enable CBM and perhaps something else too?

[Burnsaber]

The Jenga mod is all that I have to enable, right?

Yeah, you only need the Jenga.

Damn, that is one silly sentence.

But anyways, the Jenga mod has CBM 1.5 complete, CPCS 0.8, no gem hoarding, UWGIM 0.83 and makes Pebble Skin Suit construction 6 E4B1

[Jarkko]

The Jenga mod is all that I have to enable, right?

Yeah, you only need the Jenga.
And here I have been thinking all these years all you need is Schwartz!

[Illuminated One]

I'm about 99,99% sure that you are joking, but because there is that 0,01% chance and I'm paranoid, I have to ask:

You read the first post, right?

Yep.

[Baalz]

When I try to create a new game with the Jenga mod I get "name2spell: no such spell!" then the game exits...

[Burnsaber]

When I try to create a new game with the Jenga mod I get "name2spell: no such spell!" then the game exits...

Odd, it's working like a charm for me. Are you absolutely sure that you have no other mods enabled than "Jenga"? Take note that some mods don't have banners.

I'll upload the mod again just in case the download is corrupted or something.

[Jarkko]

Works fine for me. I've launched the game with the mod now perhaps 10 times (testing different pretender builds), working like a charm every time.

[Baalz]

Ah, seems to be working now. I think maybe it was conflicting with an old version of CBM I had enabled. Now...PREPARE TO DIE!

[Burnsaber]

Ok, I'm going to upload the game on the llamaserver somewhere in the Tuesday evening.

So if you have anything against the mod or the map, please say it within the next 24 hours, so that I can do something about it. It's my intention to have the mod and map I upload to llamaserver to be final.

[Burnsaber]

I found a broken connection between provinces 24 and 36, I'll fix that before I upload the map. Has anyone else noticed problems with the conncetions?

[Burnsaber]

Ok, the game is now on llamaserver. Here is the link: http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=The_Early_Days

Because I fixed that one connection, you all need to download the new .map file from the first post (the burningpanganea.zip)

Alhought we are not starting before sunday, plese upload pretender as soon as possible so that we can actually start on sunday.

Also, are there any volunteers for the position of a secondary admin? I've noticed that with two admins, it's much more likely that extensions are given before it's too late.

[Baalz]

I can help with admin'ing

[Lingchih]

I can also help with adminning, if need be.

[Burnsaber]

Thanks for volunteering guys. Although Baalz was first, he seems to be in so many games that I really can't give him any additional tasks without feeling like a slaver :) .

So, Lingchih is now the secondary admin. I've PM'ed the game admin password to him.

[Fakeymcfake]

As I said earlier, due to my moving a Sunday start won't work for me. Do you want me to get chris to send in the pretender/do first couple turns or just back out?

[Burnsaber]

As I said earlier, due to my moving a Sunday start won't work for me. Do you want me to get chris to send in the pretender/do first couple turns or just back out?

:doh:

I knew I forgot something. We'll roll however you want. Do you want me to delay the game start or do you want to Chris sub for you the first turns?

[Burnsaber]

On second thought, it's probably best to delay the start. We aren't in hurry to anywhere.

[Fakeymcfake]

Works for me, should be back online tuesday. I'll post here if things go horribly horribly wrong so that you can go on without me.

[IntoStructure]

I found a broken connection between provinces 24 and 36, I'll fix that before I upload the map. Has anyone else noticed problems with the conncetions?I've noticed that some of the sea providences are inaccessible. The one on the bottom right corner, one on the bottom edge to the left (between 3 and 9) and one on the top edge between 139 and 138. Is this intentional or an error?

[Burnsaber]

I found a broken connection between provinces 24 and 36, I'll fix that before I upload the map. Has anyone else noticed problems with the conncetions?I've noticed that some of the sea providences are inaccessible. The one on the bottom right corner, one on the bottom edge to the left (between 3 and 9) and one on the top edge between 139 and 138. Is this intentional or an error?

Intentional. Even the original map has those provinces "empty", likely for balance reasons. I know it might be sort of confusing, but I didn't want to make the map uglier by trying to scribble over them or something. The map has plenty of water even without them. 27 water provinces on the outer rim leaves each water nation with 9 water provinces, which is pretty good, considering that land nations have 10,8 provinces per player.

[ghoul31]

My computer has died, so I won't be playing

[Burnsaber]

My computer has died, so I won't be playing

Shame. Hope yuo ge your computer fixed soon.

I'll try to recruit a some other player. Leaving sarting posiion empty might result in a very unbalanced starts for some nations.

If we don't habe a replacement by say, thursday, I'll edi the map to contain fewer starts and we'll play on that.

[rdonj]

I'll play as TNN.

[rdonj]

Oh, and jenga.

[Burnsaber]

Allrighty, I moved the estimated start (yet again..) to give rdonj time to get accustomed to the unique map. I've tried to contact Fakey about his internet problems and if he can game. But unless very special things stir up, the Friday start is final. Have we all players or not.

[rdonj]

Thanks, that should be plenty of time to figure out what I'm doing. Guess I got sucked in after all.

[rdonj]

My pretender is in. Looks like we're just waiting on pangaea.

[Burnsaber]

Yeah, my attemps to contact fakey have resulted in nothing. According to chris, he should have gotten internet yesterday. Since he seemed quite eager to drop off (suggesting it in two separate accounts), so I have decided to seek a replacement player now while there is still time.

The game is starting Friday, do we get replacement or not. I might have time thursday to make a edit of the map with just 5 random land starts in more appropiate locations, but I can't promise anything.

[rtyffg]

Haven't signed baal'z pledge, but maybe i can say "signing it for this game only"? If that is acceptable and Pangaea is ok to take then i could be ready till friday. Not know what Jenga is but read the rules.

[iainuki]

I'm potentially interested, but in basically the same situation as rtyffg. I'll sign the pledge for this game. If I'm in, mention it here and I'll actually get the mod/map installed and have a pretender ready Friday. Jenga.

[Burnsaber]

Haven't signed baal'z pledge, but maybe i can say "signing it for this game only"? If that is acceptable and Pangaea is ok to take then i could be ready till friday. Not know what Jenga is but read the rules.

Well, you don't have to sign the pledge if you don't want to. Pledge that was pledged just because it's mandatory has no meaning.

Can you promise to not to instantly turn AI if the tide of war turns against you? Because that's enough for me. By fighting to the end, you learn more of the game and keep the game nice, clean and balanced. If real and stuff cuts in the dom-time, just ask for an extension.

Also, Panganea is available. If you agree to that one term above,just post a confirmation here and upload pretender before saturday and I'll be glad to welcome you into this game.

P.S: "Jenga" isn't supposed to mean anything in this context,it just sounds silly :). It's a game also thought http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenga


I'm potentially interested, but in basically the same situation as rtyffg. I'll sign the pledge for this game. If I'm in, mention it here and I'll actually get up and have a pretender ready Friday.


I'm sorry, but because I'm going by the "first come, first served" basis, I'll offer the position to rtyffg first. If he refuses the spot for some reason, I'll give you a shot.

[ghoul31]

I'm back up and running. So if you have any room left, let me know

[Burnsaber]

I'm back up and running. So if you have any room left, let me know

Now this is just getting silly. I don't know if I'm trying to host a MP game or a soap opera! People keep on getting down and up :D

But since you were truly the first (and probably still have the pretender in store), I think it's only fair to give the position to you.

Could you please post your pretender ASAP, before something else dramatic happens?

[Fakeymcfake]

Dammit, I just got back online and you find a guy. Oh well.

[Squirrelloid]

Drama++. Awesome.

[Fakeymcfake]

No no, no drama to be had. While I was looking forward to the game I fully expected something terribly terribly wrong to happen that would keep me from getting online despite my provider's assurances that everything would be working monday.

So, to whomever ends up taking my spot (as it appears to be in some contention still) please enjoy yourself and I'm sure another game will come along soon.

[rdonj]

No no, no drama to be had. While I was looking forward to the game I fully expected something terribly terribly wrong to happen that would keep me from getting online despite my provider's assurances that everything would be working monday.

So, to whomever ends up taking my spot (as it appears to be in some contention still) please enjoy yourself and I'm sure another game will come along soon.

If you want, I am willing to back out of the game and let you have my spot. I was initially coming in to take ghoul's theoretically but not actually vacant spot anyway.

[Fakeymcfake]

Nah, it's for the best really. I just started up school again and looking at the workload I don't know if I'd be able to keep up. Have fun with my blessing.

[Burnsaber]

Nah, it's for the best really. I just started up school again and looking at the workload I don't know if I'd be able to keep up. Have fun with my blessing.

Yeah, I usually reserve spots longer than this, but I read between the lines from your posts and came to same conclusion. So, hopefully, no hard feelings?

On other news, I started the game before anything else superdramatic happens. The game seems fine, there even isn't even a single illegal pretender!

I extended the clock 24h for the first turn to accomodate if someone was really counting on the Friday start in their scheducle.

[Burnsaber]

Oh, and just to avoid any further confusion, I'll give a more accurate definition to the victory conditions, which were defined as thus in the first post during recruitment:


Victory Condition
1)40% of capitals and provinces held for consecutive 2 turns (when someones winning, you have to act immediately!)
2)The surrender of other players


With thirteen players 40% of capitals is 5,2 ~ 5. We have 132 provinces, 40% of which is 52,8 ~ 53. So a player will win if he holds 5 capitols and 53 provinces for 2 consecutive turns. Compared to many other games, this is pretty "easy" to achieve, so people are highly encouraged to keep an eye out for potential winners and take pre-emptive actions well before they can reach the requirements. It's especially dangereous if someone manages to take the 5 capitols, since air-dropping around to take the province requirement really isn't that hard.

[Fakeymcfake]

Yeah, I usually reserve spots longer than this, but I read between the lines from your posts and came to same conclusion. So, hopefully, no hard feelings?


None at all Burn, good luck to you all in this game.

[Burnsaber]

Alrighty, because we got hit by an extremely rare bug, we needed to restart. I won't go inot details, but basically, Intostructure, the player of R'lyeh was comletely unable to get his turn file. I won't go to the details, but here is Llamabeast's assestment of the situation when I talked to him in IrC:


[01:14] llamabeast_ I don't know what to do about this guy's e-mail issues
[01:14] llamabeast_ I still can't log into the llamaserver
[01:14] llamabeast_ Something like it has happened occasionally before though
[01:14] llamabeast_ From time to time there are files that, when sent, never arrive
[01:14] llamabeast_ I know that sounds like superstition but it's true
[01:14] llamabeast_ Nothing throws an error so I have no idea what causes it
[01:15] llamabeast_ I think you'll either have to let him stale this turn, or restart


Since staling the first turn isn't fun for anyone, I decided to restart since it's just turn 1.

[IntoStructure]

Still no turn file. Don't know what to say guys.
I feel bad holding up a show that's been held up so much already. If you want to omit/replace I'd understand.

[Squirrelloid]

Still no turn file. Don't know what to say guys.
I feel bad holding up a show that's been held up so much already. If you want to omit/replace I'd understand.

Tried requesting it from llamaserver?

Do you have another e-mail you could use?

(Then of course there's the obvious, like have you checked your spam folder, but i'm going to assume you did that).

[Lingchih]

All of the above, of course. If that's all a no-go, let's just get this thing started, please.

[Burnsaber]

The bug is a bit more persistant than that thought. First, I tried to change the e-mail to my secondary adress in to order to get the turn file and send it to Intostructure.

I got the "you are now receiving turns for R'lyeh in the Early Days game" message, but I couldn't get the file, no e-mail arrived, no matter how many times I requested for it. Then Calahan from IrC agreed to help out and I set to e-mail for him. Same thing, Calahan got the confirmation message, but no turn file, not even by requesting. So I set R'lyehs e-mail back to Intostructure and restarted.

I'm just absolutely baffled at what could cause this. Perhaps no .trn file got generated for some reason? Llamabeast "ghost turn" explanation is the best I've seen.

Now that the restart didn't work, we'll just unfortunately have to let R'lyeh stale the first turn and see if he receives the second turn.

[ghoul31]

If you have to create a whole new game, thats fine with me. I want to remake my pretender anyways

[Burnsaber]

If you have to create a whole new game, thats fine with me. I want to remake my pretender anyways

Hopefully it won't come to that. Turn 2 just processed, and lets see if Intostructure received this turn.

[ghoul31]

R'lyeh isn't even listed as one of the nations on llamaserver now. I think if you miss the first turn, you don't get put in the game.

[Burnsaber]

R'lyeh isn't even listed as one of the nations on llamaserver now. I think if you miss the first turn, you don't get put in the game.

By the holy mother of Angst! You're right!

Ugh, I don't what it is about this game that apparently makes it an abodomination against llamaserver, but damned be if I'm going let that bring me down.

We'll, we have two options at this point, either we continue with a major power power vacuum in the sea or start the game completely over, having to resend pretenders and stuff.

I think I'm going to go with a democratic process in this decision, considering how huge it is. Cast your votes people!

[Jarkko]

Restart again. With just two powers in the ocean, they get a bit too good headstart compared with everybody else, if you ask me...

[ghoul31]

start the game over

[Squirrelloid]

meh. whatever people want.

[Baalz]

Aw man, I totally had this game in the bag and now we have to restart?


Don't think that's much of a choice, you know what needs to be done. ;)

[Jarkko]

Aw man, I totally had this game in the bag and now we have to restart?

Baalz already had same number of provinces as his two biggest neighbours *combined* :shock:

[rdonj]

I guess we start over.

[Frozen Lama]

We can keep going ;) i don't mind the water nations being more powerful. they need it. :)

nah. just kidding we can restart

[Burnsaber]

Okay, the path is clear. Let us sacrifice this game to the gods of llamaserver in the hopes that our next jourey could be without bugs.

I'm going to finish the game and start a new one with the same settings.

EDIT: Game is up. Please send in pretenders.

[IntoStructure]

Le Sigh.
Llama server is now repeatedly sending my pretenders back saying they are middle age R'lyeh pretenders when they need to be early age.

I've checked, thoroughly, to make sure I am indeed sending in an early age pretender. I have the early age Jenga map open right now, with the Jenga mod on, and my one saved R'lyeh pretender loaded right in. I am certain this is a perfectly kosher early age pretender.

I've decided to step out of the game and ask for a sub. Hopefully the trouble is somehow on my end and a different person playing R'lyeh will enable the game to continue. I'm sure a lot of you guys are probably wondering if I'm attempting some sort of hacks or shenanigans which have lead to this, and I don't want to be in this position any more.

[Burnsaber]

OH MY GOD!

:doh::doh::doh:

I now know what the bug is. It was because of the Jenga mod where I moved MA R'lyeh into early age to give it coastal recruits. That's why llamaserver is throwing fits, because it thinks that you are basically sending MA prentenders into early era game. I don't know why it accepted R'lyehs pretender in the first game, but it was likely the cause of error.

I'll just make the game "multi-age" game, so that the game accepts pretenders from all eras. That should fix it. Just be certain that you have the Jenga mod enabled when making pretenders.

So yeah, my bad. Please feel free to verbally mock me if you feel like it, I deserve it for not figuring this out sooner.

[Burnsaber]

Ugh.

I was just about to upload the fixed version of the Jenga mod when my internet connection decided to fail :banghead, but it will be back up later today. I'm posting this from school.

Just give me 12 hours and I will fix this game for good. Everyone just lay back and breathe until I mangae to upload the new Jenga mod. Patience is a virtue, you know.

Intostructure if you don't want to deal with R'lyeh right now, I can change nations with you, if you so wish.

[Lingchih]

Well, this is kind of a cluster ****. I think I may bow out of it.

Then again, I only have two games going now, so I guess I could try and slog through all of this. Heh, I'll decide tomorrow.

[Burnsaber]

Ok, here is my assestment of the situation:

1) The bug is squished. I tested my the new preferences out and managed to send a pretender for R'lyeh with 0 problems.

2) Unfortunately everyone needs to re-download the Jenga mod (can be found in the first of the game thread, titled Jenga_Mod_fixed, containing a Jenga2.dm file). When you put the file in the mods folder, feel free to delete the old "Jenga" .dm file to stop it from cluttering your mod preferences screen.

3) The changes in the mod shouldn't affect any one else but R'lyeh, but I've decided to play it safe and I'm asking everyone to remake their pretender and making sure that they have the new Jenga mod and the single age mod enabled. Since you guys probably remember your desings, this will only take a minute.

4) Send in the new pretender and once everyone has sent it, we start the game and have fun bashing heads.

5) Even if the player for R'leyh is final in his decision to step down, it won't matter, for I shall take control of R'lyeh. So if you follow the steps above, the game will get rolling.

6) Thanks for your patience.

[Squirrelloid]

Just to confirm: We want Jengamod2 and not Jenga Fixed?

[Jarkko]

Ah, crap, I think I uploaded a pretender with wrong mod... Arf...


EDIT: Ah, good thing the name of the game had changed, the pretender didn't go through :) And now of to design a pretender with the correct mod :)

[Trumanator]

My new computer w/Vista seems to think that there is no such thing as a savedgames folder in the dominions3 folder. If you want, just start the game up without me since its already been delayed enough.

[ghoul31]

My new computer w/Vista seems to think that there is no such thing as a savedgames folder in the dominions3 folder. If you want, just start the game up without me since its already been delayed enough.

Vista stores the savedgames in a strange place. It stores it in

C:\Users\"username"\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files \dominions\savedgames

[Burnsaber]

Just to confirm: We want Jengamod2 and not Jenga Fixed?

You want the "Jenga2.dm" file form the Jenga_mod_fixed.zip download. :)

My new computer w/Vista seems to think that there is no such thing as a savedgames folder in the dominions3 folder. If you want, just start the game up without me since its already been delayed enough.

I had the same problem a while back. The best solution I've seen is just to re-install the game into a folder not under /program files. The problem seems to be the absolutely outrageous security settings in Vista, which prevent any applications from creating a file under /program files.

So, I just reinstalled the game to C:/ and it worked perfectly.

[Trumanator]

Thanks SO much ghoul! I doubt I would've found that on my own.

[Jarkko]

*Never* install games on Vista into C:/Programs folder, even though many games like to suggest that as the default...

[Lingchih]

Can't find a R'lyeh nation with the new mod (trying a test game). I could be doing something wrong, but they don't show up as a nation for my tests. I turned off all mods, quit, and then restarted. Then turned back on jenga, jenga, Jenga. No R'yleh.

My nation is in. Just worried that this could all fall apart again.

[Burnsaber]

Can't find a R'lyeh nation with the new mod (trying a test game). I could be doing something wrong, but they don't show up as a nation for my tests. I turned off all mods, quit, and then restarted. Then turned back on jenga, jenga, Jenga. No R'yleh.

My nation is in. Just worried that this could all fall apart again.

You did turn on the single-age mod too?

It's there. It just lacks the "EA" epiteth (titled 'R'lyeh, time of the Aboleths') and is listed amongst the MA nations due to it's nation number.

[Lingchih]

Ahh, that's probably it. Thought you had included everything in with the Jenga mod. My bad.

[Lingchih]

So, only ten players of 13 have come back on. Do we go with a smaller map (I would hate that), or wait a bit?

[Jarkko]

So, only ten players of 13 have come back on. Do we go with a smaller map (I would hate that), or wait a bit?
I thought I (re-)sent my pretender yesterday. Apparently I either did not, or it didn't go through. I'll resend as soon as I get home from work, in less than two hours from now :)

[Burnsaber]

So, only ten players of 13 have come back on. Do we go with a smaller map (I would hate that), or wait a bit?

I've contacted the players who yet to send pretenderswith PM. Jarkko will resend and Mictlan player has been busy with work.

I'm going to take charge of R'lyeh. This will leave one spot open in land. I've proposed to Fakey if he'd like to the available land spot. If he declines, we will just play with 9 land players, the map can handle one empty land start.

[Illuminated One]

Sorry for delaying I had supposed my old pretender would be taken.

[Burnsaber]

Ok, the game is started. Everything seems to roll smoothly and I was able to receive and send my turn for R'lyeh fine.

Please note that one of the land starts is now empty and it will give a slight advantage to those nations who start near that empty start. Other nations are highly encouraged to take this advantage into consideration when bondering their diplomacy.

Thanks for everyone for sticking out through the bug-hunting process.

Let's smash some faces.

[Illuminated One]

Where do I find the SingleAgeComplete.dm?

[Burnsaber]

Where do I find the SingleAgeComplete.dm?

Here.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=608870&postcount=41

If you lack the new jenga mod too, it can be found on the first post

[shard]

Thats a nasty looking Sheddu there, Hinnom.

I don't suppose its going elsewhere or am I going to be the first nation to be eaten for dinner?

[Frozen Lama]

ouch, if EA Mict can't at least slow down hinnom, we're in trouble

[Squirrelloid]

Sheddu are a beating.

[Lingchih]

Yes, that is a mighty fine looking flying cow you have there Baalz. Is it lost though? It seems to be heading straight for the frozen tundra of Niefelheim. What an unforgiving place that would be for an oversized cow, even a flying one.

[Frozen Lama]

that was a tasty fish there R'yleh. pretty ugly, but just as good as anything once its chopped up and cooked.

[Baalz]

Hinnom Eats Everything.

[Burnsaber]

that was a tasty fish there R'yleh. pretty ugly, but just as good as anything once its chopped up and cooked.

The Mind Lords find your message lacking as much in logic as in capital letters. How could your kind not know the difference between mammals and fish, not even with all of the first hand experience from living in the ocean? And your kind would attemp to eat a cursed titaness with a hybrid form, without any kind of natural resistance to poison? We Mind Lords are perplexed on how your kind could have survived without anykind of knowledge on how to breed or eat safely. All other species we have encountered seem to at least have an basic grasp on those two things, no matter how lowly creatures they may be.

Truly, this only assures us of why you people need to be lobotomized and enslaved. The difference in brain activity will be neglible and you'd be a great deal more useful for the world as whole. If you surrender now, we'll make the procedure as painless as possible.

We admit that the strenght of your heretical blessings took us by suprise, but know that your victory is shallow and meaningless, for she'll be back. With vengeance. We invite you to invade us. Gaze upon the armies of R'lyeh and see your future as mindless automatons.

Shukal, The Lord of Minds, Herald of the Fallen Queen.

[Illuminated One]

Yay! Ulm has many provinces as Niefel. Any chance someone's conquering them?

[Lingchih]

Yay! Ulm has many provinces as Niefel. Any chance someone's conquering them?

Just a bit of a slowdown down here in the frozen tundra. The geography is a bit challenging for getting out and about.

[Illuminated One]

Yeah, I have that problem, too. (Besides the great conans being owned by indies).

[Jarkko]

Talk about difficult terrain and nasty indies... When you have to march back and forth to the capital the first turns to just be able to move out, the going gets pretty slow. Happily Sonni the Great is able to lead the men of Marverni to greatness from battle to battle!

[Baalz]

Before the torch bearing mob starts forming I did want to point out that as big and scary as my province count score graph is, my handicapped starting position has had it's desired effect. Province count in and of itself is meaningless - in all the other score graphs I'm firmly middle of the pack. I dumped a lot of design points into a very aggressive start to get out of the desert, so my power curve is not as scary as it otherwise would be. Plus, the Shedu is actually a warm and loving guy, known to give rides to children. Nothing to fear here...

[Trumanator]

You know, ordinarily I would LOVE a free castle. One that interferes w/my recruitment of cap only sacreds on the other hand...

[Lingchih]

Talk about difficult terrain and nasty indies... When you have to march back and forth to the capital the first turns to just be able to move out, the going gets pretty slow. Happily Sonni the Great is able to lead the men of Marverni to greatness from battle to battle!

Yeah, tell me about it. It's like... take a prov, then march back to the cap, so you can march two turns to take another prov. I love the look of this map, but the terrain is a beating.

[Illuminated One]

Before the torch bearing mob starts forming I did want to point out that as big and scary as my province count score graph is, my handicapped starting position has had it's desired effect. Province count in and of itself is meaningless - in all the other score graphs I'm firmly middle of the pack. I dumped a lot of design points into a very aggressive start to get out of the desert, so my power curve is not as scary as it otherwise would be. Plus, the Shedu is actually a warm and loving guy, known to give rides to children. Nothing to fear here...

So you are thinking the only thing that could stop you now is a torch bearing mob? :D

[Burnsaber]

Yeah, tell me about it. It's like... take a prov, then march back to the cap, so you can march two turns to take another prov. I love the look of this map, but the terrain is a beating.

Sorry, should have warned you guys about that. But I thought that everyone would notice the weird geography right away while testing.

But I guess the special start was enough to keep Niefelehim in check. As for Hinnom...

[shard]

Phew almost missed the turn. For some reason I can't seem to get the game running on my laptop at home without it looking for the ma_ryleh.tga file or something, had to drop by the office.

On the other hand prime Shedu beef is delicious, especially when it has been raised with large dosages of astral salts and liberal helpings of chunky earth.

The prophet scout sent to us wasn't as palatable, but our eagle warriors didn't particular care as they tore him apart.

[rdonj]

Man. Am I being punished for starting in between hinnom and neifel or something? I have one of the largest quantities of land, but practically no income. And I can guarantee, that is not the fault of my scales. Almost every province I've taken has less than 3k pop :(. Too late to complain I guess, but it would have been nice to have some sort of compensation for starting in one of the most dangerous positions on the map. I guess I should just be grateful I am not mictlan.

[Lingchih]

Neither Tir nor Mictlan should fear the giants of Niefel. We are a peaceful nation, seeking only to carve out our little corner of frigid land, so that the Niefels can rise again. The little peoples do not intimidate us. But we will not tolerate the heretics of Hinnom coming to our land.

[shard]

Yes be grateful - whoever gets this juicy spot is cornered between the sea and two of the 'powers'.

However do come west, while Hinnom and I are running troops past each other rushing and counter-rushing, i'm sure he wouldn't miss a few of his many outlying provinces. Theres no cow to graze on them anymore anyway.





Man. Am I being punished for starting in between hinnom and neifel or something? I have one of the largest quantities of land, but practically no income. And I can guarantee, that is not the fault of my scales. Almost every province I've taken has less than 3k pop :(. Too late to complain I guess, but it would have been nice to have some sort of compensation for starting in one of the most dangerous positions on the map. I guess I should just be grateful I am not mictlan.

[rdonj]

That is good to know. Since I doubt tir na nog could do much to niefel jarls.

[shard]

I'd like to request a 12hr delay in case I don't manage to run my turn

This thing with the mod only running at my work computer is driving me nuts! I don't suppose Baalz can enlighten me how the last turn went as I couldn't view the turn...

[Calahan]

For some reason I can't seem to get the game running on my laptop at home without it looking for the ma_ryleh.tga file or something, had to drop by the office.

That sounds like a R'yleh map icon issue to me. Have you checked to see if you have the "standards and streamers" and/or "llamabanners" mods installed on your laptop? Or indeed all the mods for this specific game that could have changed the default R'yleh icon?

If all else fails, then perhaps just copy the entire contents of your Dominions folder at work onto your laptop. Dominions is not a harddrive hungry game, so it should easily fit onto a 1GB USB stick.

But either way don't suffer with this problem, as it should be an easy enough thing to solve with a little feedback and help (from any of the many helpful souls on these forums :))

[Lingchih]

Do you still need a 12 hour delay Shard? Or did Burnsaber already add it?

[Lingchih]

Game has had a 12 hour delay added.

[shard]

Thanks, i'll take the suggestion of copying the dom game over my usb - was a public holiday yesterday, should be sending my turn over soonish

[Burnsaber]

Do you still need a 12 hour delay Shard? Or did Burnsaber already add it?

IIRC, I added 12 hours but forgot to say about it. Sorry about that.

[Lingchih]

And, I added another 12 hours. Conclusion? We have some slackers.

[Lingchih]

Neifelheim, under the burden of a heavy growth in population, has decided to annex the southernnmost Hinnom lands, and, that annexation has already begun. Nations neighboring these provinces would be best served by staying put. Our Jarls are rather indiscriminate in who they kill, once they have been ordered to take a province.

[rdonj]

Hey. If the hosting period is closing in and I (TNN) haven't gotten my turn in, can I have a 4-6 hour extension? I've been working on the overlords map the last 4 hours, and I am beat. I can't do my turn right now.

[Lingchih]

Hosting has been postponed by 12 hours. This is getting a bit excessive, for the early game.

[rdonj]

Sorry about that. I'll have my turn in in a few minutes.

[Lingchih]

Nice move, Rdonj. I can honestly say that I did not see that coming.

Oh, and sorry Shard, but I did tell everyone to stay out of my way.

[rdonj]

Glad to be able to surprise you :). I hope you won't hold it against me. But I didn't fancy my chances against you when it came down to it. I guess we'll see if it was a good idea or not soon enough.

[shard]

Can I get a 2hr extension? I still can't play the !@$#@# game from home I need to do my turn when i go to work

[shard]

Oops nevermind ignore ignore

[Frozen Lama]

fair warning: i had to get my turn resent for this game, so watch to make sure you got yours since llamaserver is having problems again.

[Lingchih]

Glad to be able to surprise you :). I hope you won't hold it against me. But I didn't fancy my chances against you when it came down to it. I guess we'll see if it was a good idea or not soon enough.

Niefelheim is beaten. We will accept peace terms with Hinnom and Tir Na Nog, if they are offered.

Did not help that the Scale bug hit my cap. But it did.

[Squirrelloid]

scale bug?

[rdonj]

Are you sure about that, or is that just one of those drunken ramblings I've come to expect from you? ;) Well, I've PMed you, if you're serious we can talk about it.

I'm sorry to hear you were hit by the scales bug. I hope that did not give me an unfair advantage in the attack. I guess it's just our luck out here in the west. The land is poor, the competition is fierce, and we're beset by bugs? Next thing you know, the pantokrator is going to descend from the heavens to set his house back in order... right in the middle of the four of us.



By the way, I am interested in purchasing a burning pearl or a ring of the warrior, if anyone is able to get me one. I can pay a reasonable price in fire, air, or nature gems.

[rdonj]

Oh, also, sorry about those jaguar warriors shard. I was merely scouting with that army, I had no intention of attacking you.

[shard]

A sidhe champion and 14 sacred tuatha warriors seem a pretty big force; we shall do our best to give them a decent burial.

[rdonj]

Just a standard expansion party that I sent to scout in the area of the hinnom-mictlan war. We thank you for seeing to their proper burial.

[rdonj]

Ouch. See this is why I didn't think you'd give up so easily.

[Lingchih]

Are you sure about that, or is that just one of those drunken ramblings I've come to expect from you? ;) Well, I've PMed you, if you're serious we can talk about it.

Yes, that was a #5 :)

[Illuminated One]

Ah, the clever Ulmish battle tactic of fatiguing themselves out with flying shards and then casting stoneskin followed by ironskin is finally working.


What's a scale bug btw.?

[Lingchih]

The scale bug is rather rare. When it happens, usually in your cap, your scales are not accurately reflected in the prov. For instance, in this game, where I am Nief with cold 3, I have no cold in my cap, though my dom there is very high. In fact, I have not had any cold there all game, even though all my other provs with Dom have cold now, ranging from 1-2.

The bug can affect any scale, not just temp.

[Trumanator]

I'll be honest, 500 gp of pd is not what I expected.

[ghoul31]

I have a scale bug in another game. I should have misfortune 1. But instead I have misfortune 3. Which will probably doom me.

[vfb]

Your misfortune 3 is probably due to a Baleful Star that you got as a result of your misfortune 1.

[Lingchih]

Dagnabbit, 2500 gold worth of experienced Jarls sent to Valhalla, and all I got was one pretender god's eyeball. Not a good trade, methinks. But, at least, 14 mages patrolling is 14 mages that are not researching or site searching.

Those guys are just too brave. I think I need to lower their morale rather than boost it. They need to know when it's time to run.

[rdonj]

:)

Pretty disgusting how useless those mages are for killing niefel jarls, though. This has been a pretty awful war for both sides. If only I had a decent water income.

If anyone has any water gems or burning pearls for trade, you know where to find me.

[Illuminated One]

I'll be honest, 500 gp of pd is not what I expected.

500? :)
You know I had 5000gp at the start of the turn and could only spend 1000...
But then if you just had another king you might have won...

[shard]

Sorry for the late notice but I could do with a 12hr delay. Of course I do realise this is also dependant on llamaserver's mood...

[Burnsaber]

Sorry for the late notice but I could do with a 12hr delay. Of course I do realise this is also dependant on llamaserver's mood...

Extension granted and showing on he game page.

[rdonj]

Ulm has staled 4 times in the last 5 turns... :(

[Illuminated One]

Sorry about that I have some trouble keeping to my schedule atm and always turn up late by an hour or so.

[Burnsaber]

I upgraded hosting time to 36h, as per scheducle.

[Burnsaber]

Shard is now on vacation, but has assigned a sub. I don't know his name, just e-mail adress, which I managed to barely change before hosting.

I extended the clock 24h to give the sub time to send in his turn.

[Burnsaber]

We had some problems with the sub's e-mail adress. Managed to change it just now, so we unfortunaly have to endure another 24h delay.

[Trumanator]

Hey, sorry for the late notice, but could I have a 10 hr extension? I just got finished with a full day of ROTC and I'm exhausted.

[Burnsaber]

Extension granted and showing on the game page.

[Jarkko]

Hmmm... I sent my turn yesterday, but llamaserver page shows it is still waiting for Marverni turn. As I won't be home until at 18 GMT tonight, could the game be a bit further postponed so I can resend the turn immediatly when I get home?

[Burnsaber]

Hmmm... I sent my turn yesterday, but llamaserver page shows it is still waiting for Marverni turn. As I won't be home until at 18 GMT tonight, could the game be a bit further postponed so I can resend the turn immediatly when I get home?

8h Extension granted and showing on the game page.

[Illuminated One]

Where do I get the pictures for this game again?
I have formated my harddisk and can't take a look at the HoF or scoregraphs... :(

[Burnsaber]

Where do I get the pictures for this game again?
I have formated my harddisk and can't take a look at the HoF or scoregraphs... :(

Here you go.

[Lingchih]

Hmm, did you turn quickhost off Burn? I could turn it back on, but I'll wait.

[Burnsaber]

Hmm, did you turn quickhost off Burn? I could turn it back on, but I'll wait.

I didn't. But the game has hosted now, it was probably just some llamaserver hiccup.

[Squirrelloid]

Err... So i see Agartha in the water now. But no player is listed as playing Agartha? Um, I'd like to talk with that player - who is it?

[ghoul31]

Thats me

[Frozen Lama]

I will be travelling from Oct 19th-24th without internet acess. i have a sub hopefully, but he is not a forum member, so i won't resond to PM's during that time. burnsaber, don't worry about the emails, i got it taken care of.

[Jarkko]

I'll be away from 20th to 22nd of October next week. Shouldn't be a problem if we stick with the about 48 hour cycle so far, so I won't be looking for a sub for the time.

[Illuminated One]

Ulm likes to buy fire or astral gems.
If you want something forged...

[Lingchih]

I will be out of town and away from internet access from Oct 23 - 25 for a funeral. Could we make it a long weekend pause for this game please?

Thanks

[Burnsaber]

I will be out of town and away from internet access from Oct 23 - 25 for a funeral. Could we make it a long weekend pause for this game please?

Thanks

Yeah, of course. Feel free to give the extension yourself when you see that it's necessary.

[Jarkko]

I am about to leave for a cruise to Sweden in a moment. Sadly it looks like this game won't host before that, thus I won't make it back for the next deadline.

Can the next (not the current that is) hosting (due on Thursday 22nd) be delayed to until 18 GMT, so that I can take the turn when I get back home?

[Lingchih]

Please remember I am gone until Monday. I won't be able to give an extension to myself, since I will be sans computer. Llamaserver may not even be back up by then, but who knows?

[Burnsaber]

Please remember I am gone until Monday. I won't be able to give an extension to myself, since I will be sans computer. Llamaserver may not even be back up by then, but who knows?

Apparently llamaserver has put up the next hosting to wednesday. That should likely be enough for you to get back from your trip.

[Lingchih]

OK, I'm back in. What's with the other players still out?

[Trumanator]

Edit: nevermind.

[Frozen Lama]

Possible bug i think.

the troll ambassador: besides being really annoyingly having only misc slots despite his humanoid appearence, he has no magic, yet when you choose his actions you can click "forge magic item" or "cast ritual spell" but of course there are no options, just the screen. he can also be told to "cast" maybe its just a copystats quirk, but i thought i'd report it.

Edit: also, i guess the only applicable use he has that he shouldn't is that he can alchemy without magic.

oh and he can't research

Edit again: after having a little modding explained to me, i'm guessing the magic path thing is to allow him to lead troops underwater but he's not supposed to be a mage, but he can be empowered straight to level 2 water for 30 gems. (would this only give him W1?)

[Burnsaber]

the troll ambassador: besides being really annoyingly having only misc slots despite his humanoid appearence


Intentional to prevent using her as a Thug chassis (She needs to be tough however, since assasinating her will bring death to all troops following her). Hopefully I remembered to explain the "in-game" reason for her lack of slots in the description?
(I'm 100% sure if I remembered to do that in my last update)


he has no magic, yet when you choose his actions you can click "forge magic item" or "cast ritual spell" but of course there are no options, just the screen. he can also be told to "cast" maybe its just a copystats quirk, but i thought i'd report it.


Yeah, there isn't much I can do about that. She's copystatting Lord of the Seas for the "bring troops UW- ability", which gives her his magic too.


Edit: also, i guess the only applicable use he has that he shouldn't is that he can alchemy without magic.

Edit again: after having a little modding explained to me, i'm guessing the magic path thing is to allow him to lead troops underwater but he's not supposed to be a mage, but he can be empowered straight to level 2 water for 30 gems. (would this only give him W1?)

Yeah, empowering her will just give W1. She's currently W1 base, but also has -1 water magic (the same way like land capricorns get magic penalties).

[Illuminated One]

Can't you clearmagic after copystats?

[Jarkko]

Damn daylight savings, or rather lack of that. I intended to take my turn this morning while eating breakfast, but forgot that I am currently at GMT+2 rather than GMT+3 like still a bit over a week ago. Which resulted in my first ever stale in a Dom3 game :(

To make matters worse, Lanka had an excellent turn, which saw my Marverni totally overrun; I wouldn't have been able to do much to reverse that even if I had been able to take my turn. Now I don't have enough gold to pay my forces, and my forts are under siege. My preteder is still (barely) alive, but has so far taken quite a few hits from remote spells. While my druids cause massive havoc with reverse communion, they really are no use without troops to protect them. I really do not see how I could possibly make a come-back from this, even if Lanka was attacked by all her other neighbours.

To preserve my sanity, I think I will go AI :( Cheers for Lanka for a well executed attack! Thanks Burnsaber to setting up this game, I am sure interested in joing a similar game in the future too :)

[Stretch]

You have multiple forts still in your possession, a live pretender, a bunch of mages, and you're going AI? :doh:

[Jarkko]

You have multiple forts still in your possession, a live pretender, a bunch of mages, and you're going AI? :doh:
I have forts yes, but almsot all are besieged. I have mages true, but no troops to protect them (and you know Marverni druids need a meat shield as they are ultra-fragile) as the troops will desert now (no money to pay for upkeep). I have a live pretender, true who has has been hit by quite a few seeking arrows (and while he has recuperation and will eventually get rid of his afflictions, he is of absolutely no use now).

I am sorry, but the Marverni situation is totally hopeless as far as I can see.

[Squirrelloid]

Summon some meatshields? Surely you have gems?

[rdonj]

Taking a look at the score graphs, you do still have quite a few troops left. And, to my understanding, troops don't desert that quickly from lack of gold. Is there any way we could convince you to stay on for just one more turn, just to see how badly desertion will really hurt you? With that many troops remaining it would at least be worth searching for a sub to play out your final days, I think.

[Isokron]

I dont think the marverni position is that hopeless, sure I think I will win the war in the end especially after last turn but I still have no good answer to his main army although it luckily have a bit of a problem keeping up with my thugs.

[Jarkko]

Very well, I'll stick around to the end then. Not that it makes any difference, the charts sadly do not reflect the truth here (like say, my druids being in an army, while the militia from two events are far far away, or the fact that most of my army is actually mercs, who will wave goodbye now (if you check that, you notice they all leave after this turn)) :(

[rdonj]

I don't mean to force you to play, it just seems from the sidelines that there's still a play or two for you to make. Maybe there really isn't, and you're about to really get trashed next turn or so. Well, at that point I won't complain about you going AI. I would just prefer to have a player at the helm while there is still maybe some potential in the nation to wound its attacker.

[Jarkko]

Send in the alchemists!

[Illuminated One]

Ulm is still looking for Fire and Astral gems. Can offer Earth and Nature stuff mostly in return, but that's not everything.

[Squirrelloid]

Ulm apparently wants to die. That's ok, my armies are going to be free for such a task shortly.

[Lingchih]

So, Baalz is staling out? After his good player pledge? Seems a bit contrary.

[Frozen Lama]

that seems a bit uncalled for Lingchih. i have not seen him post in a while, so i'd guess that something beyond his control is keeping him from acessing the internet

[Trumanator]

A temporary delay seems called for in that case.

[rdonj]

Baalz is looking pretty close to staling in overlords too, where he is doing quite well for himself.

[Burnsaber]

I took the liberty of giving 12hour extension to get the thing sorted out.

[Lingchih]

My apologies to Baalz. That comment probably was uncalled for, since his position in the game is now most untenable. He does seem to be accessing the internet though... I see he did his turn in Overlords. But yeah, I haven't seen him around in quite a while either, here or on IRC.

[Stretch]

I took the liberty of storming Hinnom's fortress that I had sieged for the last 2 turns and slaying all inside! I think that this might be a moot issue next turn, although his last fort is outside of my jurisdiction. His two remaining forts have been under siege since before he staled. I would guess that he had left orders with his mages and just forgot to submit turns. Barring some kind of screwup on my or another nation's part he wasn't going to break the siege.

[rdonj]

Eh, his shedu is back. It's within the realm of possibility that he'll survive the siege. Not much more than that though.

[Illuminated One]

As said ingame, if you need an item Ulm is happy to forge it for you for a slightly increased cost.

+2 gems for 5 gem items (4 to 7)
+3 gems for 10 gem items (8 to 13)
+4 gems for 15 gem items (11 to 19)
+5 gems for 25 gem items (17 to 30)

All items will be made as cheaply as possible. In the brackets you can find the possible prices. Prices for boosters and hammers have to be negotiated. First come first served.

[Illuminated One]

*sigh*

Oh man, why did you have to go and take away my global?
It's not like I'm going to get anywhere with these 7 sites (not counting those nice supply or resource bonus sites...) I have.
Ah, now I have 8, but still.

[rdonj]

Sorry about that. But I'd had designs on that global as well, and I couldn't think of a better opportunity to claim it. Besides, I'm not exactly swimming in sites either. Couple this with the fact that I'm caught in the middle of most of the great powers in the world... I need all the help I can get. Also, the complete and total lack of death magic that TNN has access to makes us the perfect nation to own the mother oak. :)

[Illuminated One]

And great that my turn didn't get through.

[Lingchih]

And how did your turn not get through? I've been watching the board all night... you could have asked for an extension and gotten one. I assumed you were staling out.

Seriously man, Llamaserver is rock solid most of the time. And it is running well now. I can't believe you could not get your turn in, except if you were slacking, which I assumed you were.

[Illuminated One]

Yeah, I was, but I still managed to send it in 10 minutes before hosting. I know that's dead late but 95% of the time the email arrives before the next update.

[rdonj]

Oh people of this world, look upon this new day and rejoice! One of the greatest threats to the peoples of this world is no more. Hinnom, the great devourer, stands at last defeated by the brave and noble warriors of Tir na N'og! The songs of our victory shall ring throughout the halls of every tuatha stronghold and bring hope to the oppressed.

[Trumanator]

And he staled how many times?

[rdonj]

I have no idea. I wasn't paying attention. However, in all honesty there wasn't a whole lot more he could have done without the stales. Anyway, I am not proclaiming my brilliance. Just the defeat of a very scary nation.

[Trumanator]

Indeed, the defeat of the cannibal giants is a great day.

[Stretch]

He staled when his forces had been reduced to a few pitiful remnants hiding behind castle walls. Hinnom did not die sleeping, but alive and whimpering.

[Illuminated One]

Ok, since Ulm's last offer didn't get too much interest lets take it to the extreme. Ulm is selling a ring of wizardry. Price 25 Astral perls + the best offer in any gems gets one. Be aware - if you don't make an offer one of the superpowers might (or the other super power). We're really drunk and don't know what we do, you can't let us screw the world by handing them out for so cheap to someone else but you, can you? 3 turns before it's sold.

[Frozen Lama]

Oceania will give you every single gem we have, and all of our gold for it. :P

[Illuminated One]

As long as you can get over the initial price... we're not that drunk, somehow 8 breweries are not enough to sustain us. :D

[Frozen Lama]

As long as you can get over the initial price... we're not that drunk, somehow 8 breweries are not enough to sustain us. :D

oh..... right, that initial price. well in case no one makes an offer......... ;)

[Squirrelloid]

Hey Ulm. Lets be reasonable here. Vacate the water (ok, leave the stupid tritons to get killed) and swear peace with us already.

Are you really going to bring a bunch of plant-men and land troops and fight a UW power while suffering from the poor amphibian tag? How much gold and gems are you willing to throw away doing this? How many resources and men can you waste before your neighbors decide you look tasty? Fighting me is just going to be a blackhole that eats resources without accomplishing anything.

[Trumanator]

I am going to be busy with ROTC essentially all this weekend, with absolutely no internet access. If I could have a delay till Monday that would be great.

[Illuminated One]

Hey Ulm. Lets be reasonable here. Vacate the water (ok, leave the stupid tritons to get killed) and swear peace with us already.

Are you really going to bring a bunch of plant-men and land troops and fight a UW power while suffering from the poor amphibian tag? How much gold and gems are you willing to throw away doing this? How many resources and men can you waste before your neighbors decide you look tasty? Fighting me is just going to be a blackhole that eats resources without accomplishing anything.

I'm not sure what should be the improvement over the status quo in that for me? I might consider to accept a peace while keeping the province, though.

[Lingchih]

I am going to be busy with ROTC essentially all this weekend, with absolutely no internet access. If I could have a delay till Monday that would be great.

I'll put a slight delay on after this turn hosts (since it looks like you are already in), unless Burnsaber beats me to it. Probably just 12 hours.

[Squirrelloid]

Hey Ulm. Lets be reasonable here. Vacate the water (ok, leave the stupid tritons to get killed) and swear peace with us already.

Are you really going to bring a bunch of plant-men and land troops and fight a UW power while suffering from the poor amphibian tag? How much gold and gems are you willing to throw away doing this? How many resources and men can you waste before your neighbors decide you look tasty? Fighting me is just going to be a blackhole that eats resources without accomplishing anything.

I'm not sure what should be the improvement over the status quo in that for me? I might consider to accept a peace while keeping the province, though.

You must be joking. Let you keep a province adjacent to my capitol? No way.

[Illuminated One]

I'm going to be without internet access until sunday evening. I should be fine with the delay that's already in, but I might need one or two hours on top of that.

[Stretch]

Of course, my email problems clear up immediately after posting this, when it was broken for 10 minutes before. Sigh. False alarm.

[shard]

Oh and err as some wayward pms still come my way...

I'd like to announce again that Stretch the Great is the Lord of Mictlan.

Praise the Lord!

[Lingchih]

Well. You can praise him for a bit longer.

[Illuminated One]

Hmmm ... the birds are flying low.

[Stretch]

Well. You can praise him for a bit longer.

Hinnom also thought to tame Mictlan. Giant blood ran red on the cobblestones of our temple altars. And so it shall, again.

[Lingchih]

Well. You can praise him for a bit longer.

Hinnom also thought to tame Mictlan. Giant blood ran red on the cobblestones of our temple altars. And so it shall, again.

Niefelheim does not relish attacking the brave armies of Mictlan. But, if we are to be a power in this world, Mictlan must be conquered. If we die in trying, so be it.

[Burnsaber]

Hosting Scheducle & Delays:
24h per turn until turn 25, then 36h to 45, then 48h to 65 and finally 60h after turn 65



Game changed to 48h hosting, as per scheducle. Sorry for doing this a bit late.

[Squirrelloid]

Curse the damned fish of Rlyeh! We will skewer them on our tritons and eat their slimy flesh! mmm... slimy.

[Trumanator]

bleh, I'm sick of dealing with Fomoria. I'm going to see if I can find a sub. I won't let it stale or go AI, but this game has just been extremely frustrating.

[Squirrelloid]

Trading A,F,E, and maybe N for W,S gems. Find me on IRC or PM me and we can discuss.