Aquamarine EA CBM Game Running

[Hadrian_II]

Hi Everyone, i am trying to get a new EA Game Started

It would be hosted on llamaserver

Age: Early Age
Game Settings: Everything standard, except HoF 15
Map: Alexander
Mods: CBM
Players: as much as possible
Pace: first ~24 turns on 24h quickhost, then 48h quickhost until at least turn 50, after that extension to 72h by majority vote.

If you join this game, it is expected of you that you play it to the end, or find a sub that takes over for you. It is not needed that you sign the good players pledge, but you have to act like you did.

Please vote on the Map when you sign up, you may also propose other maps, as long as they are wraparound and about the same size.

Nations:

Abysia: RabbitDynamite
Arcoscephale: Ironhawk
Atlantis: Phonics
Caelum: Jazzepi
C'tis: aaminoff
Eriu: Tam-Lin
Fomoria: Fantomen
Helheim: Iron Duke
Lanka: Alpine Joe
Marverni: iainuki
Mictlan: shard
Nifelheim: Ossa
Pangaea: statttis
R'lyeh: Ishamoridin
Sauromatia: Dimaz
Ulm: otthegreat
Vanheim: viccio
Yomi: Hadrian-II

[Alpine Joe]

In as Lanka until the end!

[GrudgeBringer]

ARCO for me (as usual):up:

[Dimaz]

Sauromatia please, map not important.

[Iron Duke]

I'd like in on this one, helheim for me, map alexander.

[Alpine Joe]

After thinking about map choice for a while, I will cast a vote for Orania.

[Ossa]

I'd like the Niefels

[Tam-Lin]

I'd be interested in playing Eriu.

[GrudgeBringer]

I have asked to keep Hinnom out of the Game.

The answer was (and rightfully so), its up to us if we want that nation out.

If you have an opinion on whether Hinnom should be let in the game please speak up and vote.:up:

[GrudgeBringer]

I also agree with Alpine Joe on the Map...In order of preference

1. Oriana

2. Asia Twist... I was in the original game and the map I have says Asia Twist with ports (is that the one you are talking about).

[Fantomen]

I´d like Fomoria. I vote for Asia twist or Alexander.

[Hadrian_II]

yes, asia twist would be the variant with ports

[statttis]

I'll join as Caelum. Vote for Orania, though I don't care much which map you choose.

[statttis]

Er, change that to Pangaea. I want to try some ideas I had after reading the latest guide.

[GrudgeBringer]

I read that guide too Statttis....

You beat me too changing my nation. After you play this tell me about what and how you did it please.:up:

Grudge

[aaminoff]

I would like to join in as C'tis. The Alexander map looks very cool, I'll vote for that.

[shard]

I'm in as Mictlan

I vote for Alexander, I've never played that map



I would like to join in as C'tis. The Alexander map looks very cool, I'll vote for that.

[viccio]

If Possible i play with Vanheim and i vote for Alexander

[iainuki]

Marverni, since Fomoria is taken.

I've never played those maps before, so I haven't really developed preferences, but I'd like something large enough to have a decent chunk of provinces/player?

[RabbitDynamite]

In as Abysia. No preference for map yet.

[Hadrian_II]

all maps have around 300 provinces.

i think i will wait one more day for signups, and then open the game on llamaserver. Also i wont tolerate a single water nation, as it would have it to easy beyond the waves, so if you sing on as a water nation please give an alternate pick.

[otthegreat]

I'll try Ulm. Vote for Asia Twist because I've never played on it before.

[Jazzepi]

I'll take Caelum.

Jazzepi

[Ishamoridin]

I'll jump in as R'lyeh

No map preference (provided there's a decent water mass)

[GrudgeBringer]

Ishamodidan...

No water nations are allowed (see above), you might want to get an alternate selection in while there is a nation you like.:up:

[Hadrian_II]

it is not no water nations, it is no or at least 2 water nations, so if someone else picks a water nation Ishamoridin can play Rlyeh.

[Phonics]

If you're willing to take a newbie into the game I'd be intrested in playing Atlantis or if thats not avaible, Ermor.

[Hadrian_II]

Atlantis is ok, so we have 2 water nations, and they are both in.

Alexander got the most votes, so i created the game on it.

I intend to start the game on Wednesday evening so please try to upload your pretenders until then

[Baalz]

You still taking signups? I'll take TC if you are, no worries if you're not.

[Ishamoridin]

Woah, a game with Baalz. I say come on in, the game hasn't started yet.

[Baalz]

This one is actually kinda packed on second glance, I'll just start a new one.

[Hadrian_II]

added streamers and standards for grudgebringer

[Fantomen]

Just three pretenders to go, get them in already!

[Jazzepi]

I'll have mine in tonight! Spent all yesterday own in Cincinnati.

Jazzepi

[Hadrian_II]

i counted 18 pretenders for 18 players, so the game is on.

good luck everybody

[iainuki]

I hate to disrupt the game, but I'd like to point out that I don't have LlamaBanners installed, I said so and was told before the game started that this would not be a problem, but when I attempted to load the first turn file, the game told me that I had to have LlamaBanners installed. So. I hate LlamaBanners and am not overly inclined to install it especially since I would have withdrawn from the game if it was clear that LlamaBanners would be required before the first turn. If there is a workaround, I can use that, but I'm not aware of it. Otherwise, I see two options: restart the game (Does the game have to be set without using LlamaBanners so that people who want to use it, can? I don't know. Squirrelloid said that this seemed to work in Water Total War, where LlamaBanners was not included as part of the game settings.) or to figure out a way to withdraw without disrupting the game. I don't like this situation, but I don't see any other way to handle it.

[Squirrelloid]

I hate to disrupt the game, but I'd like to point out that I don't have LlamaBanners installed, I said so and was told before the game started that this would not be a problem, but when I attempted to load the first turn file, the game told me that I had to have LlamaBanners installed. So. I hate LlamaBanners and am not overly inclined to install it especially since I would have withdrawn from the game if it was clear that LlamaBanners would be required before the first turn. If there is a workaround, I can use that, but I'm not aware of it. Otherwise, I see two options: restart the game (Does the game have to be set without using LlamaBanners so that people who want to use it, can? I don't know. Squirrelloid said that this seemed to work in Water Total War, where LlamaBanners was not included as part of the game settings.) or to figure out a way to withdraw without disrupting the game. I don't like this situation, but I don't see any other way to handle it.

I just reviewed the WTW game thread, and the discussion re:llamabanners that I remember is not part of that thread. I'm sure I saw someone claim somewhere that it was an individual choice on whether to use it or not, but at this point I can't track down that discussion.

That said, given Iainuki's dilemma, the logical assumption is that it has to not be hosted with llamabanners included to work. Someone should test this... I'd be willing to try with llamabanners on a non-llamabanners game to see if it works. Alternately, I, and the discussion I remember, are flat out wrong about how it functions, and I apologize for the confusion caused. (It really should be able to function without being serverside, its a fricking graphics mod).

[GrudgeBringer]

Is there a chance that you just have to have it D/L but NOT enabled?

It sounds like he doesn't have it D/l at all.:confused:

[Hadrian_II]

I dont see how it is possible to have mod enabled only for one player, as mods are tied to the game.

Also as the mod does not change anything, i did not think that it had to be approved by everyone, Also, why did you not protest, when i announced that we would use streamers and standards?

[iainuki]

I have a way to fix the mod: I altered the .dm file to remove the lines that actually replace the flags. Unfortunately, I don't know if the server will reject my turn file because of this. I can try it and find out. If that doesn't work, I might be able to replace the flag images, but unfortunately I don't have the original flag images so I would need someone's help getting them. I will try playing and sending in the turn file, if LlamaServer rejects it I will have to look at some other option; but I want to be certain I won't stale if I'm actually going to play this game.

[iainuki]

I dont see how it is possible to have mod enabled only for one player, as mods are tied to the game.

Also as the mod does not change anything, i did not think that it had to be approved by everyone, Also, why did you not protest, when i announced that we would use streamers and standards?

I'm really sorry :(. I thought I had, but I had my games crossed. (ViciousCircle3 was facing this exact same issue at the same time, so I forgot to mention it here as well.) I have now made a change to my copy of LlamaBanners: since the mod is cosmetic, I hope that it will not cause problems. I submitted my turn, and LlamaServer told me it is ok. I hope that it will go through and I won't stale; I'm looking into making a test game to be certain. I've also sent a PM to Gregstrom (mentioned in ViciousCircle3's thread) to check that my quick changes will do all right.

[iainuki]

And another update: I ran my altered version of the mod in a test game on Llamaserver. The turn passed with no problems, so I think it's good unless I run into problems. I have my fingers crossed and my turn file submitted, so we'll see.

[Ironhawk]

Huh - not sure how I missed this game starting. I guess sign me up as an alternate if someone has to drop out.

[Hadrian_II]

Huh - not sure how I missed this game starting. I guess sign me up as an alternate if someone has to drop out.

thx, it is always nice to have a sub already ready

[Ironhawk]

GrudgeBringer got in contact with me and asked me to take over his nation permanently since he's going to be in and out for the next three weeks and didnt want to interrupt the game too much. Hadrian, hopefully he's PM'd you about this? I'll PM you my email in a second now too...

[Hadrian_II]

ok, you should be now in control of arcoscephale

[Ironhawk]

Yep, I am. Playing the turn now...

[Iron Duke]

What the hell? I thought the hosting would take place about 12 hours, instead I get a new turn file saying that I staled? That SUCKED! I still can't believe I did that. I remember clearly that the turn would be played at 8something am 10th.. Damn...

[Ironhawk]

Ah bummer :( But at least the game is early - losing a turn at this stage isnt bad. Especially when compared to a mid or late game turn where you are probably involved in a war.

[statttis]

I'd gladly have a lost turn instead of what happened to me :(

[Jazzepi]

I'm going camping this weekend. Leaving tomorrow morning. Can we have a hold on the game till I get back Sunday? I'll be able to do my turn ASAP around 1-2pm EST.

Jazzepi

[Hadrian_II]

ok, after the next host, i will delay hosting for 36h, that should give you enough time to get your turn in.

[Ironhawk]

Hey, are people checking thier forum PMs in this game? I've had two PMs and one in-game message be completely ignored so far. Were we playing No Diplo and I didnt get the memo?

[Hadrian_II]

we are not playing no diplomacy, so it seems that you just happen to be around silent neighbours.

btw. the next turn is postponed

[otthegreat]

A proclamation by Ulm on behalf of ourselves C'tis and Marverni:

Let it be known that these three great nations have agreed to a defensive alliance, directed primarily at our mutual neighbor. If they attack any of the three of us they will have us all as enemies.

[iainuki]

Marverni agrees.

[RabbitDynamite]

A proclamation by Ulm on behalf of ourselves C'tis and Marverni:

Let it be known that these three great nations have agreed to a defensive alliance, directed primarily at our mutual neighbor. If they attack any of the three of us they will have us all as enemies.

Brilliant plan. Nothing can go wrong whatsoever. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAh3Mb3Z9SM)

[aaminoff]

A proclamation by Ulm on behalf of ourselves C'tis and Marverni:

Let it be known that these three great nations have agreed to a defensive alliance, directed primarily at our mutual neighbor. If they attack any of the three of us they will have us all as enemies.

C'tis agrees

[otthegreat]

A proclamation by Ulm on behalf of ourselves C'tis and Marverni:

Let it be known that these three great nations have agreed to a defensive alliance, directed primarily at our mutual neighbor. If they attack any of the three of us they will have us all as enemies.

Brilliant plan. Nothing can go wrong whatsoever. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAh3Mb3Z9SM)

Good point. To avoid that situation, Ulm now outlaws the shooting and eating of ostriches as it disrupts the international order. ;)

[aaminoff]

So, in game I see Tir na Nog. On the first post in this thread, I do not see Tir na Nog. Perhaps it is called something else?

I would like to know whom I can contact diplomatically

[Ishamoridin]

My humblest apologies for the stale turn, I was unexpectedly held up out of town when I was expecting to be back with hours to spare for turn-completion.

Won't happen again.

[iainuki]

Argh, I didn't mean to stale. I just thought I had sent in the turn yesterday and forgot, I'm very sorry.

[shard]

Need 2hr delay sent wrong turn now away frm comp please

[Hadrian_II]

postponed

[Ishamoridin]

The Atlantean dogs have attacked the glorious nation of R'lyeh. Now is the time to attack.

[Ironhawk]

I guess that means there is blood in the water - literally!

Heheh, sorry I couldn't stop myself -- It was too good of a pun to let go without making a joke. :)

[RabbitDynamite]

Requesting a couple of hours extension on this turn in case I'm busy after work tomorrow (25th). I'll probably make it but better safe than sorry.

[Hadrian_II]

postponed by 3 hours
btw; a couple of hours is rather vague

[Iron Duke]

Damn.. I sent my turn the last minute, it didn't go in :) I guess that's another stale :p

[Hadrian_II]

postponed by 4 hours for fantomen

[Ironhawk]

Speaking of stales... is there any way to kick/replace Caelum? They've staled 4 times in a row. Atlantis too.

[Fantomen]

Judging by the graphs they should both be set AI right away.

[Ironhawk]

In other news, the people of Arcosephale are happy to announce that thier forges are now open for business! If you have any forging needs that your own nation can't manage (Dwarven Hammers, for example?) just send me a PM and we can work something out. My mystics and orieads give me an impressive path coverage so if you want it there is a good chance I can forge it. Most items done at standard cost or with a minor surcharge.

So, shoot me a PM and lets see if I can help out with those items!

[otthegreat]

Every market needs competition, right? So in that spirit the smiths of Ulm are offering dwarven hammers and other earth items at a significantly reduced cost. Whatever Arco's price we can guarantee we will go lower (what with 50% forge bonus and all). PM me for all of your earth item needs!

Edit: ha I didn't realize how close the timing was, sorry Ironhawk

[Hadrian_II]

We are now on turn 27 in my opinion, we could stay at 24 hours, but if someone will go to 48h i will offcourse change the gametimer.

[iainuki]

I'd like to switch to 48 hours myself: I'm trying to find a permanent sub for my position, and the slow would be useful to me while I'm looking.

[aaminoff]

I would really appreciate an extension today, I have a teacher conference at 5pm and will not have time to work on my turn.

Edit: 3 hours should be enough - I see that it is customary to state the length of extension.

I would support moving to 48h or 36h.

- Alex

[Dimaz]

36h is not a very good idea because all turns will process at different time, and it'll be easier to miss hosting time. 48h is good, however.

[Ironhawk]

Oh... hmm. Well before I read the thread and saw there might be a timer change, I had a friend on IRC modify my turn slightly and send it back to me so I could resubmit (dont have access to dominions3 here at work and it would have turned). It was done to correct an important error I'd made in trading. I dont think it will have any impact on the game or server but I just wanted to point it out beforehand just in case.

[Dimaz]

I've made such things in this game and others, I too don't have dom3 at work so I ask Kuritza to make some last minute changes, and he even sends the turn, so no problem expected here.

[Hadrian_II]

ok, we are at 48 hours now

[Ironhawk]

:cry:

Sigh, I was liking 24hr. But I completely understand if people need more time.

[aaminoff]

What the...? Hadrian_II announced that we were at 48h, but then the turn happened anyway? Confound it, I think I staled. In the middle of a tricky tactical situation too. Oh well.

[Hadrian_II]

i set it to 48 hours, and in the admin log it states that i did it, but the game seems still to be at 24h. There seems to be a bug with llamaserver as there is already a thread about the problems.

[Fantomen]

Just do it again. Most of the problems have been solved that way.

[Hadrian_II]

Just do it again. Most of the problems have been solved that way.

already done, we are now definitely on 48 hours :)

[Ironhawk]

FYI - I'm leaving for Hawaii this coming friday and will be away until the 18th. Won't be able to do my turns but I have enlisted QM to sub for me while I'm gone. Hopefully shouldnt be any interruptions in hosting but dont be surprised when I dont respond to PMs next week :)

[Dimaz]

From staling data it seems QM failed to sub for Ironhawk. I think we should pause the game till 18, as he has leading position and staling for 3+ turns is a bad thing (look at Setsumi thread).

[Hadrian_II]

postponed.

notice to self: as admin of the game, i should be able to note things like that :doh:

[Ironhawk]

He isn't doing the turns?? WTF. I'm still in Hawaii but I'll try to get in touch with him. Sorry for the inconvenience guysQM is normally really on top of this stuff

[Ironhawk]

It looks like the changeover failed due to a llamaserver hiccup :/ I think we have it sorted out now, but maybe hold the next turn till you are sure QM can submit for arco.

I gotta hit the sack now - I'll try and check in tommorrow morning

[Ironhawk]

Ok, I'm back from vacation now -

Hey, has anyone seen Hadrian? I've sent him 2 emails now to switch arco back over to me but I havent heard back from him. Would really like to get it switched over before the next turn.

[Hadrian_II]

was asleep and then at work but you should be in control again

[Hadrian_II]

as llamaserver has gone mad again, i tryed to postpone the game by 24 hours, i hope it was sucessful also @ironhawk are you in control of arco again?

[Ironhawk]

Yeah I've got control of arco back. No clue if the turn I sent in has been accepted by the llamaserver tho.

[otthegreat]

Sorry about the stales, I've been sick since Thursday and I'm finally starting to clear through my backlog of computer things. Hopefully it won't happen again.

[Iron Duke]

just so you know, I've found a sub for helheim, he'll be taking over anytime.. Good luck you all.. Admin please start sending the turns to lupus fatalis..

[LupusFatalis]

Yep, I'll be taking over for Helheim.

I sent my email address to the Hadrian_II assuming he's the game admin. If this is incorrect please tell me who is, so I may contact them.

[Hadrian_II]

ok, LuposFatalis should be in control of helheim now.

[LupusFatalis]

I am, sent in my file. Anyone with whom I have diplomatic relations, please contact me so I know who you are and we can clarify the terms, that I may honor them.

[LupusFatalis]

Alrighty, seeing as no one has contacted me requesting I honor agreements of the former administration--Consider the grace period over, all former agreements not revisited are now null and void. The new administration would welcome new agreements--send us your emissaries.

[otthegreat]

Alright, now I know I definitely don't have the time for this game.I'm very sorry about the stales and I'm now looking for a replacement.

[Fantomen]

If possible, can I have a delay until tomorrow morning?

Edit: Scratch that, I managed to do it in time.

[aaminoff]

Hi folks. I am in 2 games, this and Vicious Circle 3, and I need to find a sub for one of them.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showt...654#post717654

Thanks,
- Alex, C'tis

[aaminoff]

Well, that was quick, I found a sub for Aquamarine. If it is OK with Hadrian_II. They contacted me by email so I am not sure what their forum handle is.

[Ironhawk]

Ask them to post here so that we can see who they are, at the least.

[Hadrian_II]

Well, that was quick, I found a sub for Aquamarine. If it is OK with Hadrian_II. They contacted me by email so I am not sure what their forum handle is.

Ah you did not ask me what my forum handle is :doh:

[Ironhawk]

I'm confused - Hadrian, are you saying you are the sub? I thought you were playing Yomi?

[aaminoff]

Er. Sorry for the confusion.

Here is the deal. AlgaeNymph is the sub that is taking over C'tis from me. I sent an email to both Hadrian and Algae in which I said "tell me your forum handle" - I meant Algae.

I'm working on forwarding to AlgaeNymph all relevant diplomatic correspondence and stuff and getting up to speed.

[Fantomen]

What the hell is a "forum handle" anyway?

[Hadrian_II]

What the hell is a "forum handle" anyway?

i suspect it is the nickname

[AlgaeNymph]

Substitute for C'tis here. I've read the correspondence and will continue with previous diplomatic ties.

On an out-of-game note, would the admin extend turn reminders to 12 hours? I don't want a stale turn in my sleep.

[Hadrian_II]

is this a request for this turn or the last one?

[AlgaeNymph]

It's for all turns. Why would I want turn reminders extended for just one turn?

[Fantomen]

I need a delay until monday if that´s okay.

[Hadrian_II]

postponed by 24 hours and set reminders to 12 hours (ok now i get it, i was thinking that you were asking for a delay)

[otthegreat]

I've been searching for a sub for some time now but there doesn't seem to be any interest. The problem now is that I can't play dom 3 because I had to reformat my hard drive and my disk is a couple of hundred miles away. Is the only alternative setting my nation to AI?

[Hadrian_II]

if there is no sub, AI is the only option yes. (or you could just go permastalling but this is worse than AI)

[otthegreat]

Could someone change my nation to AI then please? It doesn't look like anyone is interested in subbing.

[Dimaz]

In this case I request 8 hour delay as well as turning off quickhost for current turn, to change some orders to adapt to new situation. Since the information became available when many players still haven't submitted their turns, it would be fair.

[Hadrian_II]

I cant set someone to AI this turn, as i have not enough time now, so there will be no delay to adapt to it.

[Dimaz]

Since you don't set Ulm to AI and he has no possibility to make his turn he will stale before switching to AI, and this information also can be used to advantage of the players who can submit/resubmit their turns before hosting. If everyone agrees not to make hostile actions against Ulm this turn, I agree we can go without delay.

[Hadrian_II]

OK, Ulm should become AI soon

[AlgaeNymph]

Wait, what happened? I know I sent in my turn, but it registered as a stale. May I have a rollback so I can send it in? We all have our old turns so we won't have to do them over again.

[Hadrian_II]

Wait, what happened? I know I sent in my turn, but it registered as a stale. May I have a rollback so I can send it in? We all have our old turns so we won't have to do them over again.

Sometimes llamaserver does not accept your turn, it is always your duty to see if you get a confirmation email from it. Also i cannot just rollback, as someone might have done something surprising what now would not be a surprise any more, and also everyone would have to redone their turns.

[AlgaeNymph]

Also I cannot just rollback, as someone might have done something surprising what now would not be a surprise any more.Okay, that's understandable. (I wouldn't say "duty" so much as "good idea," but that's my linguistic pickiness.)

[RabbitDynamite]

Requesting 12 hour extension on next turn. Will be away until Sunday evening to meet up with family.

[Hadrian_II]

game postponed by 12 hours

[Ironhawk]

Is llamaserver down? I submitted my turn a while ago but havent gotten a response from the server yet.

Anyone else having probs submitting?

[Hadrian_II]

Yomi is proud to report the destruction of Ctis.

[Ironhawk]

What do you mean, Hadrian? CTis still seems alive to me?

[Hadrian_II]

What do you mean, Hadrian? CTis still seems alive to me?

But their army got smaller :D

[AlgaeNymph]

You mean the grunts that were costing me upkeep? None of that for me at this stage of the game.

[Ossa]

Let it be known that the treacherous nation of Helheim does not honour their words and promises!

Though being bound by a pact of non-aggression they launched an overwhelming attack on the lands of the giants (which will not go unpunished btw)!

If you are a neighbour to their lands - don't wait for them to come to your castles but take initiatve now - you are not bound by anything, they will sooner or later turn on you.

Additionally most of their Thugs are now in Niefels territory!

[LupusFatalis]

Helheim publicly renounced all its former alliances when the new administration came to being. Further, we had waited at least 5 months, as per the former administrations agreement thereby honoring it. Our assertion is that failure to send emissaries to the new administration is a sign of war to come. These giants have resorted to lies and slander, further validating our aggression.

So again we say, anyone wishing to enter new agreements or renew old agreements with Helheim should send diplomats, that we may discuss terms.

[Fantomen]

@Ossa: I beleive LupusFatalis is quite right on this one, he made a clear public statement. So it's fair play.

[Firewalker]

Hi, everyone, I'll be taking over for Marverni in this game and would humbly request a 24-hr delay from the admin to get my bearings.

[Hadrian_II]

OK, you should be in control of marveni, and i also postponed the game for 48h.

[Fantomen]

After the current hosting, I would need a delay until sunday night if that's ok.

Also, are we having a christmas break? Otherwise I'll need to find a sub...

[Hadrian_II]

define christmas break?

from 24. to 26. dec or from 24. dec to 2. jan? I have no problem with the former, but i object to the second.

[Baalz]

Hi guys, I'm temporarily filling in for Helheim while Lupis makes a push to stick a PhD after his name. Any pleas for mercy or lamentations of women or that sort of thing should be directed thisaway for the next few turns. (In my best WWF voice) NIFELHEIM!!!!!! YOU'RE!!!!! GOING!!!!! DOWN!!!!!

[Ironhawk]

I'm travelling for christmas as well. From the 19th to the 27th. Its possible I could have computer/internet access during that time. But I might need to find a sub also, unless we have a break for the holiday.

[Hadrian_II]

I could set the turn timer to 96 hours starting from sunday. so even people who are travelling will be able to enter their turn, and there will still be turns so that the game does not die due to long break.

[Fantomen]

That would work out for me I think.

[Dimaz]

I agree to 96h.

[Ossa]

I need a 12h delay as I'm going to marry tommorrow;)

[Baalz]

Congrats! You make me feel guilty for all the frozen blood I must spill on your special day. ;)

[Hadrian_II]

Postponed by 12h

have a nice day

[Hadrian_II]

ok, we are now on 96h holiday timing.

btw. as i am only going to last for a few turns, i would like to give the game admin duties to someone still in the game if possible.

[Fantomen]

Can I have a delay until tuesday night?

[Baalz]

Lupus is back at the frosty helm of Neifelhiem so you may return to your regularly scheduled lamentations of the women. Have fun guys!

[Dimaz]

I need some delay too, please. (24h)

[Hadrian_II]

Can I have a delay until tuesday night?

sorry, did not see your request

[Hadrian_II]

ok, i have set the game back to 48h timer.

p.s. i am finally death, fighting fomoria, ctis and marveni at the same time in the end was too much for yomi. So now would be the time for someone else to take over as admin, especially as i will be away for 5 weeks starting the 14. january.

[Dimaz]

I think I can take the admining, I never did it with llamaserver game but I hosted some ordinary PBEM games in past years. I check the forums at least every 10 hours so I hope there will be no problems with missed delay requests. Also I don't know other players' opinion but I prefer to move to 72h schedule instead of 48.

[Ironhawk]

Thanks for setting up the game and adminning, Hadrian!

I dunno about 72h. I could certainly use that time, however every 72h game I've been in the players have lost interest rapidly after going to that timing. Seems to me that beyond 48hrs people stop thinking about the game.

[Tam-Lin]

My apologies, because I know this goes against the Player's Pledge, but could someone switch Tir Na Nog to AI? There's nothing I can do; I'm stuck in a single fort besieged by a hero I can't beat, but because it's just the single hero, he can't do any damage to the walls. So all I do is load the turn and send it back.

Thanks.

And apologies to those who have sent me PMs; there was an illness and then death in my family, and it's made things a bit difficult for the past few months.

[Fantomen]

No one would blame you for going AI in that situation.

You can do it yourself, just go to options>become computer controlled and send the turn in.

[Dimaz]

I received the admin pass so now you can direct admin requests to me :) So what other players think about 72h? We have only 2 votes so far.

[Fantomen]

Sounds good to me.

[Ironhawk]

Can I please get an extension on this turn? I had planned to do my turn tonight but instead ended up having a 4 hour long raging argument with an ex-girlfriend. I'm exhausted and can't concentrate even in the slightest. I'd really appreciate some more time...

[Dimaz]

Postponed by 24h by Ironhawk's request.

[Dimaz]

Somehow it still shows old hosting time. I'll try to postpone again. Can someone experienced with llamaserver games admining tell if it's normal behavior?

[Ironhawk]

I have heard that sometimes you have to give the Llamaserver commands twice before they take effect. Probably best bet is to make a command, wait 10 minutes, and if it has not worked, do it again.

[Ishamoridin]

Hey guys, sorry about the stales. Had a massive computer failure and haven't managed to get online since before christmas.

I'll be back within the next week, if my seas haven't been completely gobbled in the meantime.

[Dimaz]

I think we should wait for Ishamoridin now that we know that he's going to reappear. He already has 2 stales in a row. I'll add 24h now and tomorrow if needed.

[Dimaz]

No news from Ishamoridin yet. I'll add another 24 now.

[Ironhawk]

This is the fourth time Ryleh has staled. I appreciate that he is having computer problems but we should probably begin looking for a replacement so that the game can move on?

[Ishamoridin]

While, obviously, I would prefer not to be replaced, I'd advise you to do so if possible. I can get online every couple of days, but my home PC is still MIA and I'm not sure when I'll have it back now.

Apologies for the situation.

[Dimaz]

Should I start a special thread and pause the game while we're looking for sub? In our community we had no sub practice so I don't have admining experience regarding that.

[Fantomen]

Yes, that would be the right way to do it.

[Sensori]

I have volunteered to take over the position as the DARK LORD OF R'LYEH. Dark, because it's pretty damn dark down here in the depths!

So... Let's see what I can do down here!

[Ironhawk]

Whoa whoa !!!!

I was just informed in IRC that Marverni was set to AI without any forewarning of us here. We might need to rollback....

[Ironhawk]

Oh ****!! A new turn just generated. I think we might now have lost the ability to get a new player into Marv permanently...

Man what a mess...

I'll send llamabeast an email and see what our options are. I have a feeling we may just have to suffer through it tho at this point.

[Sensori]

If it'd be possible to take two turns back, I guess that'd mean one less stale for R'lyeh... So I'd be all for it! :p The less turns wasted doing nothing the better I'd say.

[AlgaeNymph]

Or five turns back, eliminating all of R'lyeh's stales.

[Dimaz]

As the new admin I have partial responsibility for the current issue with Marv. So, though I don't like the 2-turn rollback idea personally, I can live with it. However I think the opinion of all (or at least majority) of the participants should be heard. I see why Rlyeh and Ctis are interested in rollbacks; what about others?

[Ironhawk]

CTis and I have been involved in a bloodbath where we have each lost hundreds of gems in our war and revealed strategic intentions and tactical tricks to each other. Rolling back through this would be a complete mess.

If it were anything less than us losing control of a major player I would object. But as this stands, i think Marv going AI will ruin the game. So I vote for rollback (and a lot of praying that it works!) for the two turns needed to put a human back in for Marv.

[Ironhawk]

If he went AI two turns ago that means it was even before the Formoria attack on Helheim, wasnt it? Man what a mess...

[rdonj]

Might be a good idea to get a sub lined up before you roll back. Nothing would be worse than doing a multi-turn rollback to get a sub in, then finding that you can't find a sub.

[Dimaz]

Maybe we can come to some other solution, without rollbacks? As Ironhawk already mentioned that will create really huge mess for everyone involved in wars in these 2 turns (so, basically, for everyone except Rlyeh).
Maybe just divide Marv lands between players equally or something like that, I don't know.
Anyway I'm not going to do anything until the majority of the remaining players say something here. Since I'm not the initial admin I don't know all the nick-nation correspondence so please state something like "Nation XX votes for YY".

[Fantomen]

I think Marverni going AI is a game waster. It's simply too big and essential in the power balance. I therefore vote for a rollback.

It is with great reluctance though. I will not be able to repeat my very successful surprise attack on Helheim. So this rollback will cause the whole game to change direction.

[Ironhawk]

If I am reading everyone's posts right, the vote stands like so:

ryleh - rollback
arco - rollback
formoria - rollback
sauro - rollback
helheim - ?
ctis - ?

So we just need LupusFatalis and AlgaeNymph to cast their votes

[Dimaz]

No, as a player (Sauro) I'm against rollback. I don't see how the mess created by 2-turn rollback can be smaller than caused by Marv going AI. However as I understand Ctis is also for rollback so we already have majority here. Still want to hear waht Helheim and Niefel have to say.

[LupusFatalis]

I am certainly against a rollback, I'm currently waging war with 2 nations, 3 if Marvini is AI... And it kinda screws me over if my enemies now know how I plan to knock out their SCs.

[AlgaeNymph]

ctis - ?

So we just need LupusFatalis and AlgaeNymph to cast their votesI'm for a rollback.

Hopefully, this won't be a big drama like in NaV. ;)

[LupusFatalis]

It is was it is though.

[Ironhawk]

Well the votes are in, then: 5 yes, 1 no.

Up to you how to proceed Dimaz, you're the one with final authority.

[Dimaz]

Hm, for me it's more like 4 yes, 2 no and 1 (Niefel) still has no vote. I'll put a thread to look for sub, then.

[Ironhawk]

Oh you were voting against? My bad. As for niefel, yeah I did forget him, you're right. He is so hard to contact I guess it just skipped my mind. You might try sending him a PM?

As for the sub - no I wouldnt go and find a sub until we have a decision about Marverni and the rollbacks. Ianuki (the original Marv player) was actually the one who noticed the AI in the first place. And he has told me that if we do rollback and need a temp sub that he can cover the position for a while. So until we are sure and have rolled back, its probably not worth it to find a sub.

You should definitely turn off the hosting timer tho - I see its still set to generate tomorrow?

[Dimaz]

Ok I'll try to get in touch with Niefel by PM.
If we already have sub for Marverni - fine, then everything is ready for rollback.
Unfortunately I don't know how to turn off timer completely (I see only postpone, force hosting, change interval & turn off quickhost options), so I just postpone by 24h every day.

[Ossa]

Puh - dont try so hard next time, I'm fine with anything - rollback or not.

As the majority goes for a rollback, I'll also vote this way.

[Dimaz]

Ok so majority is indeed for rollback. Since we already have a sub I will do it as soon as I have enough time. I'll post here after that.

[Dimaz]

We are back to turn 68. Marv is in the nation list now. Let's try to end this mess without too much trouble.

[LupusFatalis]

Think we can extend this turn ~48 hrs. I might be able to get it in on time--but I'm not sure I'll have the time till saturday--and I'd really rather not stale, kind of a big turn for me.

[Ironhawk]

I'm fine with a long delay on this turn too. It was a very big turn for me last time we did it and now I need to come up with a completely new strategy

[Dimaz]

No problem, 48h added.
Hope we'll be able to return to schedule after all this problems are finished (however I prefer 72h as I said earlier).

[iainuki]

Am I in for Marverni?

[Dimaz]

Yes. I changed Marv e-mail to yours.

[iainuki]

I have no idea what the diplomatic situation is. Can people who are interested in my assistance talk to me?

[AlgaeNymph]

My apologies to Sauromatia but Arcocephalae gave me a better deal.

[Dimaz]

Hm, apologies for *what* exactly? Could you please be more specific?

[AlgaeNymph]

For switching sides.

[Dimaz]

Well, *who* is switching sides then? I think we're already at war and I have some conversation about switching sided with Arco and I don't think he's going to attack me now. So, *what* exactly is happening?

[AlgaeNymph]

I told Arco you paid me 15 of each gem to stop fighting you, Arco gave me a better deal to switch sides, and wanted me to make it public as collateral.

Hopefully, whatever pummeling I'll get will be in the game and not the forums.

[Dimaz]

Hm, really? It was soo long ago and I had that conversation with Arco and we came to good agreement for the current stage of the game, and after that I wrote you that my offer was too premature and is cancelled. So I don't see how all this can be applied now except if you messed with dates and made Arco believe I discussed this *after* our agreement with him, in which case you should apologise to him and not to me.

[AlgaeNymph]

It was soo long ago and I had that conversation with Arco.Me too, so...looks like I lost track.

So, the way I see it, you two can postpone hostilities with each other until you both crush me, or bid for my assistance.

[Dimaz]

I think we have no hostilities between us now. Everything was settled on 7th of January. I understood (after talking with Ironhawk) that my decision to switch sides was against our existing agreement with Arco (and not a good idea in general) so I cancelled my offer to you as well as established more direct agreement with Arco. (Perhaps my *initial* move of helping Arco deal with Ctis was wrong but that is another story). After that we had long pauses in hosting and rollbacks so it's actually possible to lose track a bit here. I hope now the problem is solved and we can continue.

[Ironhawk]

Yeah the root cause of any hostility was proof of a double-cross deal. But since that deal has been revealed to never actually have happened, then no violation of treaties has occurred.

And now... back to our regularly scheduled war!

[Dimaz]

Karnoza is willing to sub Marverni. He is ready to play from the next turn (71). I'll switch email after hosting tonight.

[karnoza]

I'm taking over Marverni from turn 72 and all existing treaties get cancelled, please write me to ... to establish new ones.

[Fantomen]

I need a delay until tomorrow

[iainuki]

I also need a delay, really, sorry: as Fantomen has also asked for one, I'm only putting in a partial turn now.

[Dimaz]

No problem, 24h added.

[Ironhawk]

Hey guys - I need to ask for a long delay. I have a deadline for work on thursday and I am probably going to be working straight from now until then. Is there any way I could get a delay until Friday at midnight?

[Dimaz]

Yep, no problem. I added 36h. Don't think this is "long delay" btw :) If you need more please let me know.

[Ironhawk]

Just got my turn in - with only an hour or so to spare :)

Thanks for the delay, guys!

[Dimaz]

I just saw that Fomoria has several stales in a row. Does anyone know what happened? Should I look for a sub already?

[Dimaz]

I'm adding 24h as I still has no information about Fomoria status.

[Fantomen]

I have had some serious computer problems. I'll see what shape I'm in, thanks for the added time Dimaz.

[Fantomen]

Hmmm. Pretty badly messed up, but i'll do my best.

MARVERNI!! PREPARE TO...eh...suffer considerable attrition!

[Dimaz]

OK, so we continue as is, right?

[Dimaz]

I need some more time for this turn so I add 24h.

[Fantomen]

I need a day extra

[Dimaz]

Done.

[Dimaz]

Fomoria staled again.
Fantomen, are you with us or not? Perhaps we should again look for a sub? Marv player says Fomoria still have lots of troops, so someone seeking experience in lategame battles might be interested.

[Ironhawk]

Yeah it is fairly ironic that we rolled back this game so that Marverni would not be carved up by its neighbors. But now, Formoria is effectively just carved up by its neighbors. And its not even AI :doh:

[Dimaz]

Added 24h in hope to solve Fomoria issue.

[Dimaz]

I found a person who may be interested in subbing Fomoria but he will look more closely only tomorrow. So if Fantomen doesn't appear I'll add another 24h.

[Ironhawk]

Fine with me - my home computer got infected with a virus last night. Pretty sure I managed to clean it out, but I will probably need to reinstall my OS. So my internet access will be weak for the next day or two.

[Fantomen]

I'm sorry. There were more problems and I can't do my turns.

If there is a sub willing to take over I'll gladly step out of the game.

[Dimaz]

It seems I found a sub. He'll do the turn tomorrow.

[Ironhawk]

I see that someone took the Formoria turn. Can that player post in this thread so we have contact info, please?

Also - I was unable to repair my home computer and it is now dead. I'll try and do turns on my work computer for the next turn or two but if I cant get my home machine fixed soon I might need a more extended delay. I'll let you know...

[Dimaz]

That player in question is reluctant to post on these forums anymore, he only joined to make a brief but glorious last stand with a doomed nation. He also reports that Fomoria is even more doomed than anyone could have expected due to its terrible development - terrible magic diversity for a 71th turn, nothing but national mages, and even these in low numbers.
So there's no point in further dealings with Fomoria - its dead. He promises to struggle a bit, kick somebody in the groin once or twice, but that it.
Please let me know if you need delay in advance, 10 hours should be enough.

[Ironhawk]

No delay needed, this turn. I'm at work doing my turn right now.

Tho my home machine is still broken, which makes me sad :}

[Dimaz]

Hosting delayed by Fomoria request.

[Ironhawk]

I know I've resisted it in the past but with a huge 2:1 war against the other major powers looming, I think would like to request moving the timer to 72hr cycle.

What do you guys think?

[Dimaz]

I agree :)

[Ironhawk]

I'd like to request a 24hr extension to the timer.

Haven't had time to play the turn yet and my weekend is very busy because I'm going to be looking at houses to purchase (which is pretty crazy!!). Wish me luck!

[Dimaz]

24h added - good luck! :)

[Ironhawk]

So, the two other biggest players, Marv and Sauro, have indicated to me that while they can fight on for many more turns, they feel that I will take the win in the long run. If I've understood them correctly and all the other remaining players agree, I would accept the concession. So, let me know what you all think...

[LupusFatalis]

Well I'd certainly agree.

[Sensori]

Works for me. Not much I could do out from the sea anyway. :p

[Dimaz]

Yes, you put it right. We're loosing both military and economy-wise, as current armageddon sequence, altough predictable, still hurts a lot, especially blood economy and fetish handlers. I was trying to cast AN as it was the only way to secure some income and gain economy advantage but my 250 astral unfortunately weren't enough so we decided to end this to free our time.
Very good play Ironhawk, now I see that even if I allied with CTis we probably had no chances against you. I think one of the biggest problem for me in this game was Pan capital - it slowed my growth for 15 or so turns, as I had to keep serious forces there while preaching Pan dominion all around it.
Ok, so, finally, it was a very nice and interesting game, thanks everyone :)

[Ironhawk]

Rejoice, a true god has ascended! Long live Dark-Omen of Arcosephale! :)

Oh wow - thats terrible luck you had there Dimaz. You had to have randomly hit my Gift of Health, which was backed with almost 300 gems I'd been hoarding for almost the entire game. Only a 20% chance of that happening and for such a critical spell of yours. Ouch!

This ended up being a very strategic (rather than tactical) game for me. I inherited the nation early and was given the directive to get the artifacts first, which i did and secured several key ones - notably, the Sickle, the Soulstone, the Ankh, and the Dim Rod + Forbidden Light. But more important than that, given the focus on construction research, I began clam and blood stone hoarding early and devoted considerable resources to it over the course of the game.

That choice of strategy made me extremely weak early on and I protected myself with a very thin veil of diplomacy. My plans were almost ruined by an early war with Aby but I bluffed him and he backed down to fight Tir, instead. This was great luck for me cause while I might have been able to muster a defense vs. Aby, I would very likely have lost any chance of winning. After this is was only a matter of time while I reached critical mass with clam -> Wish -> gem production, so I then went on the offensive and wiped out Aby.

After that was the controversial war with CTis alongside Sauro. Dimaz, I know you think I was more powerful than you and CTis combined at this point but I'm not so sure. Remember that CTis threw the majority of his forces at me and with all my resources I had a tough time defeating him. It was a tough and bloody war, but I learned a great deal about using tartarians and Rains of Stone that I employed in later wars.

Once CTis was defeated and his lock of the Well and the Gift broken, I seized the opportunity to take Tartarian dominance. Put my liches to work summoning tarts every round and out-wished Marv for control of the Chalice. I then proceeded to eat Neifelheim who was weakened by war with Helheim. It was at this time - when my tart-factory was running at full steam with basically no external threats - that my power really exploded out of control.

Sensing that I would very soon be ganged by the remaining nations, I preemptively declared war on Marv to try and defeat him before my peace treaty with Sauro expired. After reconsidering my chances I realized I could not win a conventional war in time and instead decided to cast Armageddon under the assumption that if I was prepared for it, it would hurt Marv and Sauro (with their reliance on blood) far more than me.

To achieve that, I stole the Gift of Health from Marv to both expose his mages to Armageddon damage and similarly protect my own. Then I spent many turns forging armor full-tilt across my entire empire. Even at full production, many of my own mages were still unarmored and died when I cast the first armageddon, but I could not wait any more.

So, now you can see the history of decisions I made with this nation. Thanks to all of you for a really fun game!! I can't believe I've been playing this for half a year and I will admit to being very happy to conclude it with a win! Special thanks also to Dimaz for doing a great job admining and being a great sometimes ally sometimes enemy for the full course of the game :)

Thanks again to all! I'll include my last turn file along with this post if any of you are curious.

[aaminoff]

Thanks for posting that AAR. I'm happy to hear that my Ctis Lizars survived until near the end and were a big enough threat that they got ganged up on. Thanks again to AlgaeNymph for taking over from me.

[AlgaeNymph]

I'm just glad I didn't totally screw things up.