Quick immortal question

[Agema]

You "kill" an immortal pretender whilst you are besieging their capital.

Does the pretender god:
a) not respawn at all?
b) respawn inside the capital's fort?

[atul]

Respawn inside castle, assuming friendly dominion.

[Sombre]

Depending on the pretender, it can be quite a painful thing to deal with.

[Executor]

Or if you have a swarm of vampires, that can be tricky.

You want to storm the fort and he sets the vampires to break siege, so first you fight them, and once you kill them you have to do it all over again in the fort. :)

[Agema]

Ugh. This is a CBM Phoenix, which immolates half my army every time I fight it. :(

[OmikronWarrior]

Ugh. This is a CBM Phoenix, which immolates half my army every time I fight it. :(

The changes to the Pheonix (or rather the single change of autocasting Phoenix Pyre) is the number one reason why I don't play CBM. There are plenty of other reasons after that, but really, thats on top. Really, now the only downside to using the Phoenix is the possibility of a bug reducing HP to one permanently.

[Micah]

The only downside? Hardly.

The phoenix still can't expand very well on its own and will never be able to take on large enemy forces by itself, which a real SC pretender can do. It also has no slots, so if you take it for F/A diversity you don't get to have a forge discount with it.

Sure, the phoenix shines when you're down to just defending your capital, but that's generally not a place you want to be at. The primary asset of the phoenix is just the diplomatic leverage of being a royal PITA to kill, not because you're a real threat. I don't think that anyone has won a competitive (non-noob/mostly experienced players) game with one, which seems odd for something with "no downsides."

[Psycho]

I won a game with phoenix (as sauro), although it was non-cbm. He's nice in the back row with some buffs and then spamming shock wave, fire blast, etc.

[Foodstamp]

The only downside? Hardly.

The phoenix still can't expand very well on its own and will never be able to take on large enemy forces by itself, which a real SC pretender can do. It also has no slots, so if you take it for F/A diversity you don't get to have a forge discount with it.

Sure, the phoenix shines when you're down to just defending your capital, but that's generally not a place you want to be at. The primary asset of the phoenix is just the diplomatic leverage of being a royal PITA to kill, not because you're a real threat. I don't think that anyone has won a competitive (non-noob/mostly experienced players) game with one, which seems odd for something with "no downsides."

I don't think there is much correlation between pretender choice and winning games. Scales and paths are probably a different story, but any experienced player could probably win with any pretender, as long as they get to choose the scales, paths awake, asleep etc.

[chrispedersen]

I have a shared victory with a phoenix.

Never used the phoenix pyre vs. an opponent once.
Wanted to. Had some nice surprises planned.
Never happened.

I am particularly fond of Phoenix + Magic Duel. Never got to
pull that rabbit out of my hat.

[archaeolept]

Ugh. This is a CBM Phoenix, which immolates half my army every time I fight it. :(

The changes to the Pheonix (or rather the single change of autocasting Phoenix Pyre) is the number one reason why I don't play CBM. There are plenty of other reasons after that, but really, thats on top. Really, now the only downside to using the Phoenix is the possibility of a bug reducing HP to one permanently.that's a bit bizarre. the phoenix is still not an especially devastating pretender choice. If you think otherwise, feel free to demonstrate this in an MP game.

he's pretty good at killing bunches of chaff. so are most things :)

[Sombre]

He only implied that was a power based objection. It could be he has some other problem with what cbm does to the phoenix. Maybe he doesn't like onebattlespells.