LA: Noobs and Strangeness (Running)

[melnorjr]

Game settings:

Age: LA
starting provinces:1
independent strength: 5
site frequency: 55
Money/resources/supply 100
random events: common
hall of fame: 15
standard research
Banned nations: Ermor, R'lyeh
Mods: CBM 1.6
max players 10

Map: Shahrivar. can be found here: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=616294&postcount=33


Victory is concession or when one player owns the entire map.

Diplomacy is considered binding.

Hosting intervals will be 24 hours for the first 10 turns, 48 hours after that, 72 hours only if it becomes necessary.

Nations will be assigned on a first come first serve basis. (I pick Bogarus)

This game is generally just a game for noob to intermediate players, and you are encouraged to use a non-standard, strange, or just funny strategy rather than a practical one.
If you've thought up something weird or fun to do, but it wouldn't be competitive in a normal game, feel free to try it here. Markata thugs and such are welcome. If you are a noob-intermediate and just want some more experience in an LA game, feel free to come as you are.
vets may join as well, but a vet who joins MUST be using an oddball strategy, whereas noobs and intermediates can play how they like. I just don't want a vet or intermediate to come in here, play Ermor, and crush us all.(in fact, Ermor and R'lyeh are banned, just cause they aren't fun to fight. this game is about fun.)

Nations already claimed:
Bogarus - Melnorjr
C'tis - Viccio
Midgård - Quitti
Abysia - Juffos
Marignon - Alpine Joe
Patala - Maerlande
Agartha - Rtyffg
Pythium - Kietsensei
Ulm - Mardagg
Gath - Pelthin

[viccio]

i'm interested to play with C'tis
also my friend is interested in playing with Bogarus, now I say that I've written

[melnorjr]

viccio! glad to have you. C'tis is yours.

My apologies to your friend, but I mentioned in the opening post that I picked Bogarus already. I should have made it more clear rather than sticking that in the middle of a paragraph somewhere.

[Quitti]

While I realize that I'm not a newbie, it'd be somewhat dubious to call me a "vet" since I don't seem to win any of my MP games (usually finish up to the top5), I'd like to join. Won't be doing a powerhouse build though, got some interesting ideas going on. So, if you are willing to take me into the game, I'd like to play Midgård.

[Maerlande]

Talking wacky builds, how many provinces per player are you planning? I've done some strange builds that need a bit of space to work. Tight maps are not good for them.

[Juffos]

I would like to try something new with Abysia, if allowed.

[melnorjr]

Talking wacky builds, how many provinces per player are you planning? I've done some strange builds that need a bit of space to work. Tight maps are not good for them.

I'm thinking about 15 per player. I don't want to cramp everyone in too much because I realize that some oddball builds won't be able to compete too well in really early combat. If there is a clear preference though, I'm flexible here.

Quitti, Juffos, glad to have you. editing in your nation choices.

As long as you aren't using a classic build Juffos. I'm just a bit wary of your experience. :)

[Quitti]

Heh, I want to see what Juffos cooks up... Also, could we go with a tad higher magic sites than 45? It'd be a bit easier for new players to get into magic business earlier that way, not to mention that there are all sorts of fun sites seeded around more that way. I don't mind either way, but it'd make the game a bit more fun (not to mention that those pesky air sites might even be found somewhere).

[melnorjr]

Heh, I want to see what Juffos cooks up... Also, could we go with a tad higher magic sites than 45? It'd be a bit easier for new players to get into magic business earlier that way, not to mention that there are all sorts of fun sites seeded around more that way. I don't mind either way, but it'd make the game a bit more fun (not to mention that those pesky air sites might even be found somewhere).

Hmm? didn't expect that, lol. I'm used to playing with sites as low as 20(another game I'm in and have been testing for), 45 feels like a lot to me, but that's just my conditioning to low sites.

55 agreeable?
I've no objections, and I suppose since we are using CBM 1.6, high sites might make up for no gem gens.

If somebody seconds your request, or if nobody objects by tomorrow, I'll change it.

[Quitti]

55 is good, I could play even with the current 45 but setting them higher also encourages the newer players to spend the gems since they will be gaining some more of them, instead of stockpiling their meager incomes... I personally hate the extremely low sites (20-30) games, since magic is a very big part of dominions that I like to build stuff around.

[Juffos]

I don't oppose increasing magic site frequency. More gems means more fun and action :)

[melnorjr]

I don't oppose increasing magic site frequency. More gems means more fun and action :)

is that a seconding of the motion to increase? or just a statement that you don't oppose it?

[Alpine Joe]

I would like in this game with an unconventional LA marignon strategy. I support increasing the magic site value as well.

[melnorjr]

I would like in this game with an unconventional LA marignon strategy. I support increasing the magic site value as well.

alright: motion to increase site frequency passed.

And editing in Alpine Joe marignon to the opening post.

[Maerlande]

I would like Patala please.

[melnorjr]

I would like Patala please.

Welcome to the monkey kings.

4 slots left. Could be ready for pretenders within a day or two at this rate.

[rtyffg]

Would like to join as Agartha. Haven't played them before and feel myself betveen new and intermediate overall.

[Kietsensei]

Greetings

I would like to play a Pythium

[Mardagg]

Ulm please.

This would be my first Dom3 MP game,besides some hot seat games.
I was a Dom2 vet though.
I am curious about a different Ulm BF Strat i just tried out...dont think its good...but should be fun:)

[Pelthin]

Could I try Gath?

Thanks.

[melnorjr]

Adding you all in. That's ten. I'm going to go for an about 15 province per player map - looks like shahrivar stands a good chance. If anybody has specific requests though, feel free to link me to it and I'll take a look.

[melnorjr]

The game is ready. Please submit pretenders. the game name is Noobs_and_Strangeness and it's on Llamaserver

[Maerlande]

What does diplomacy binding mean?

Example, if I make a NAP I must set a time frame? Otherwise it's forever?

[Quitti]

If you agree to a NAP with someone, you can break it. If no duration has been specified, it can be broken instantly and attacked on the next turn. Otherwise it'd be an all-binding alliance which make absolutely no sense in a game like Dominions 3.

[melnorjr]

Diplomacy binding means that if you agree to a Non aggression pact for x number of turns, you can't attack till those turns are up, or until a specified turn has been reached, or whatever you agree to. if you agree to an indefinite Non aggression pact with a 2 or 3 turn warning when you go to break it - give that warning before you attack.

If you agree to something vague like "We wont attack each other for a while" well then, you can break that whenever you feel like it with no warning, cause it doesn't say otherwise), and 'a while' is subjective(though if you turn around and attack immediately, your online reputation might suffer, but that's nothing to do with this game).
any pact that is not specific is interpreted as subjective and able to be broken when you feel like it.

Basically it means that if you agree to something, you are expected to follow through with it.

[Kietsensei]

By the way can someone give me the link to download the map please?

[Quitti]

Here you go. (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=616294&postcount=33)

[melnorjr]

Sorry, I should have put that in the OP. let me edit that in...

[Mardagg]

Marignon still missing the Pretender.
Whats taking Alpine Joe so long there?

Bogarus also missing,but i assume you are waiting for Marignon Melnorjr?

Lets not wait too long there,otherwise people might lose interest in this game.

[Alpine Joe]

Sorry guys i am having some serious problems with dominions the last few days. I will try to get my pretender in tonight if i can resolve things, if not, feel free to find a replacement.

[melnorjr]

Sorry for the delay. Just sent my pretender in, so we should be starting very soon.

[Maerlande]

Looks to me like llamaserver is set to 48 hours. Weren't we going to go 24 at first?

[rdonj]

Turn 1 is always 48 hours, to give players time to realize the game is started or something I guess. It's a llamaserver thing.

[Maerlande]

Ahh, okay rdonj. I didn't know that.

[Mardagg]

turn 2 is up btw,nice.

gl to everyone.

[Kietsensei]

I will be away for this week end and thus would like a 24h delay. I may be able to do my turn on sunday but just to be sure the 24h will make me feel safer

[melnorjr]

Sorry for the slow reply, but delay granted. No need for staling this early. Just get it in when you can.

[Maerlande]

Bnupa, Destroyer of Patala wishes to speak to his newly discovered neighbours this turn. Please check your private messages. I am hoping to connect with you before turn submission.

Regards,


Bnupa

[Mardagg]

Hail Bnupa,
We are contacting you ingame this turn.

P.S.: I didnt receive any private message from you.

[Maerlande]

Hail Mardagg,

We have sent our diplomats to negotiate with our Authority.

Regards,

Bnupa

[melnorjr]

Thanks for letting us all know you two are allied now. :p

[Maerlande]

Yes well, noob mistake :)

[melnorjr]

turn interval has been changed to 48 hours pursuant to the OP.

[Mardagg]

looks like Llamaserver is down for quite some time now,it doesnt accept my turn file.
I really dont want to stale bc of this:(

[Pelthin]

I think if anyone stalls we need to rollback, as it is not fair to the stalling folks. :)

[Quitti]

Usually llamabeast adds 24/48 hours to the hosting timers when llamaserver is down for reason or another, so no staling (usually) occurs because of that.

Still, true, if staling occurs (due the server being offline) we should rollback a turn.

[melnorjr]

Yes, I've no problem with a rollback if there is a stale due to server problems.

[melnorjr]

Oh, just attack me already.

:p

I've been watching you build up armies on my border for 5 turns.

:fight:

[Mardagg]

Ulm is defending.

1. Ulm did send a messenger.

2. Bogarus didnt answer.

3. Sneaking Bogari scum is violating our borders on a regular basis and awakening our attention.

4. Soon.Maybe.Or not.

[melnorjr]

Maybe the messenger got lost - I didn't see a message. Suppose I could have just missed it. If you want to be sure I'll get the messae, PM me on here.

[melnorjr]

Hope you at least felt that siege, Quitti.

Took my fort with one guy left standing. And I kept almost all my mages. Ready for round two on my other one?

Since I am obviously going to lose, btw, Whichever one of you takes my last fort gets my remaining gems and gold.

[Quitti]

Well, I don't have more troops on your front, but I could get plenty in short time should I put gold into it. My upkeep was reduced around 30% by that fight! Only thing I miss is three galdermen I lost though. You're free to keep that last fort for yourself for the moment :)

And actually it was one vanjarl, one galderman and two skinshifters left after that fight ;)

[melnorjr]

Is there anybody who is inclined to take over adminning once I'm taken out?(I hear that that is standard? I'm new to this)

[Mardagg]

*bump*

[Mardagg]

gg Melnorj!
I would have attacked you this turn...just had to wait for Iron Blizzard. I was kinda looking forward to that final battle in your castle.I guess starvation and gold issues forced you to attack.

I feel a bit obliged now to take over admin from you ;)
I could do it,even though it would probably not the best solution since this would be my first time doing it and i dont have the time to check the forums several times per day(i get my PM`s emailed though)

[Quitti]

Well, melnorjr put up a heck of a fight, but the breaking-out fight seemed a bit lackluster (I had a scout there watching). I don't mind Mardagg becoming the admin, just check the forums once a day or so some hours before the hosting :)

[melnorjr]

The battle there was so lackluster because I didn't have the troops for it. my mages routed on round 3, when they were about to open up with their spells. I had them in a reverse communion - which was probably not the right choice there.

Anyway, PMing you the password Mardagg.

You guys killed me about 4 turns too early by the way. I was just getting ready to get bunches of vampires up when you took my forts and stopped me from collecting more slaves - that was the reason for my odd pretender.

One thing I learned: trying to cause unrest with five-fold angels and Khlyst doesn't work on players.

[Quitti]

Spies do work, if you can mass them in sufficient quantities. I think fivefold angels were spies in addition to just being stealthy? Anyway, your huge research graph showed that you were aiming for something, and staying very quiet about it, didn't know what it was though..

But still, if you had waited for ulm to bump into your castle, you would've had much better chances since the gate is a very easily defendable choke point (as we saw with the fight in your cap ;)).

[Mardagg]

The battle there was so lackluster because I didn't have the troops for it. my mages routed on round 3, when they were about to open up with their spells. I had them in a reverse communion - which was probably not the right choice there.

Anyway, PMing you the password Mardagg.

You guys killed me about 4 turns too early by the way. I was just getting ready to get bunches of vampires up when you took my forts and stopped me from collecting more slaves - that was the reason for my odd pretender.

One thing I learned: trying to cause unrest with five-fold angels and Khlyst doesn't work on players.

you did lose some starets and troops already to starvation+desertion before i think.At least 3 starets and 1 fivefold angel went missing.
Actually i was looking forward to lose some more melee troops there...to lower my upkeep.
I did lose a lot of respect for Khlyst btw...i think that the cause unrest tag is BIG laydown...i always knew in which province u had sneaky troops bc of that.That way i could easily use my freespawns and regular troops to hunt down your invaders and no spy can stand vs like 80 troops + PD patrolling.

Yeah,as soon as i saw your pretender magic paths,i was like: Someone wants to use vampires vs my ULM :)
Anyways,Thanks for some fun battles and for showing me how great Sharivar map is(never played it before).

Ok guys,i am the new admin then.
I will try to check this topic at least everytime before hosting.
But if its urgent its better to send me a PM in addition to posting here.

Mardagg

[Mardagg]

But still, if you had waited for ulm to bump into your castle, you would've had much better chances since the gate is a very easily defendable choke point (as we saw with the fight in your cap ;)).

Probably one more round for his mages to cast spells,still not enough troops and huge morale issues because of starvation(-4 to morale IIRC) especially vs that many ranged attackers.
And i had something cooked up for the castle fight which didnt trigger now ;)

[Kietsensei]

Greetings to the Nagas.
It has been a long time since we last talk. The world is really peaceful now and as promised I come back to you to discuss of a possible joint war operation as promised in the past. Unfortunately there is only one possible target for both of us, that is Cti. I don't know what relation you have with them. Is it a 3 turn nap?

[Maerlande]

You posted this publicly.

[Kietsensei]

Hahaha what a nice joke! The messenger who lost such important message has been thrown to the hydra pit as punishment. :doh:
That was the funniest and dumbest noob mistake I ever made in Dominion :D

[Maerlande]

We Bnupa, God of Patala, require more lands.

We thereby cancel our non-aggression pact with Agartha and will be moving out in 3 turns. Prepare your armies Agartha!

Bnupa

PS: I believe that would mean that on turn 47 I may attack. Please correct me if I misunderstand the 3 turn NAP concept.

[Kietsensei]

Dear Lords of Shahrivar,

In this time of "peace" where only fools dare to leave the safety of their home and face deadly lightning bolt striking from the stormy sky, the snake nation of Pythium is interested in trading gems. We are looking for air and earth gems and we can provide with any gems but astral in exchange.

[Quitti]

You know, the human body is extremely bad conductor - there's nothing to fear about lightning. And we've heard that it never hits the same spot twice too, so just build a house to a place where confirmed thunder strikes have happened before. Still, should you find yourself struck by a lightning, wearing a ring of lightning protection is a very good pre-emptive measure to save your meager life. In fact, we are selling them for 5 astral pearls a piece for those who are interested! Contact us by mail or send an emissary with a cartful of astral pearls.

- Letter addressed to other nations from the Herse of Propaganda and Marketing of Midgård.

[Kietsensei]

You know, the human body is extremely bad conductor - there's nothing to fear about lightning. And we've heard that it never hits the same spot twice too, so just build a house to a place where confirmed thunder strikes have happened before. Still, should you find yourself struck by a lightning, wearing a ring of lightning protection is a very good pre-emptive measure to save your meager life. In fact, we are selling them for 5 astral pearls a piece for those who are interested! Contact us by mail or send an emissary with a cartful of astral pearls.

- Letter addressed to other nations from the Herse of Propaganda and Marketing of Midgård.

Ha the rings are less expensive if you buy them from a pythium merchant: 4.5 astral pearls ;). Garanteed 100% bio and natural!

[Mardagg]

Ulm hereby announces that our first strike surprise attacks on Agartha have been mostly successful.
Those lands are infested by vampire tribes worshipping a false god and as such cant be tolerated by our great ruler ,Mardagg,the Leech.

Every conquererd province as of this month is viewed as Ulmish territory from now on.

Regards,
Tabos
Speaker of the Leech
Drinker of Dragon Blood

[Kietsensei]

Who would like to take part into a vampire war anyway? Let the bloodsuckers drink the blood of their own kind. We are just curious how Agartha will react to this surprise attack.

[Quitti]

Ha the rings are less expensive if you buy them from a pythium merchant: 4.5 astral pearls ;). Garanteed 100% bio and natural!

Fine! We'll offer them at 4 pearls a piece. Or alternatively 400 gold for one! Buy four and get the fifth one free!

- The herse responsible for cheap labor in Midgård.

[Mardagg]

We will switch to 72h hosting soon,for the rest of the year.
We are going back to 48h hosting in 2010.

I will be away on 25th and 26th december.
If anyone needs even more time during the christmas period,just give me a call before 25th december;)

[Maerlande]

Bnupa's Bountiful Bizarre is open:

Rings of Wizardry for sale: 40 pearls or 80 other gems.
Rings of Sorcery: 25 pearls or 50 other gems.

Good friend discounts available.

Other high end items may be available. Contact Bnupa for details.

[Mardagg]

Game is set to 72h quick hosting for the rest of the year,to avoid stales during christmas time.

Its still possible to keep the old pace on via quick hosting.I will be away 25-26th december,but i will play my turn before leaving.
If anyone needs more time,tell me today.

Have a nice xmas everyone!

[Maerlande]

Greetings from Bnupa,

Someone has snuck either a bane venom charm or a disease carrying leader into our province of Ebys (30). We consider that a declaration of war. When we determine who's unit is doing it we will cancel all agreements and instantly attack. Of course, that's unless it is removed.

Bnupa, Destroyer of Patala.

[Quitti]

Proclamation!

The Mighty Frigg, Goddess of Air will be absent from 31st to 3rd, and would like to request a postponement for that duration. We wouldn't like too much lightning to hit you while I'm gone, would we?

-Jörn, the official interpreter of the mute goddess Frigg, Queen of Clouds.

[Mardagg]

Ok, we will keep 72h hosting until you are back then and i will further postpone hosting,as soon as it becomes necessary.

[Mardagg]

*bump*
Happy new year everyone!

We will switch back to 48h hosting after this turn,if noone objects.

Probably going back to 72h hosting should it start to get really complicated;)

[Mardagg]

Ulm hereby announces,that the mighty Destroyer of Worlds,Bnupa, and Mardagg,the Leech ,did put the rulership of Agartha to the end.In a concentrated effort, the last 2 remaining fortresses have been captured this turn.
It should be mentionend,that many brave Soldiers of Ulm lost their lives while sucessfully storming the capital of Recenna held by over 750 Agarthian infidels,heavily digged in in a very dark and unhealthy environment!

Tabos
Speaker of the Leech
Drinker of Dragon Blood

[Kietsensei]

The disease carrier who is travelling in our province should move away immediatly. Our statement is the same as Bupa's the destroyer of worlds: when Pythium find out who is behind this, all agreement will be cancelled. By the way, it is not really difficult to guess who is behind this as the suspects aren't very numerous...

[Mardagg]

*Bump*

wow,what a turn!!
I have never seen dominion death in action before for an otherwise healthy nation,well done Quitti!
Ctis went AI.
Now its down to 4 ,much earlier than i thought.

In other news,I might have to request a 1 time delay to 72 h hosting again,got a lot of things to do in real live this week and microing my nation is pretty stressful at times...expecially switching my Black Priests back and forth between Research and Preach.Thanks for this Quitti! :D

[Alpine Joe]

Haha wow neither had I. Had about 18 holy 3 priests preaching and a blood sac in a temple in each of my provinces from another holy 3. Pretender and prophet were both alive and well. I only had one province with about 5 candles in it the last few turns. I was starting to turn the dominion tide, then got the negative dominion event in that key province :(

Good work Quitti, I will never underestimate the importance of base dominions again.

[Mardagg]

gg Alpine Joe.Wow,bad dominion event there,thats sick.


Good work Quitti, I will never underestimate the importance of base dominions again.

me too.Seems that my priests still only preach with the base dom as the chance for success.
I got like 80 priests,all with inquisitor bonus, preaching on average and probably nearly equal number of temples like midgard(30+).Still not enough to keep the borders up dominion-wise these days and my base dom is pretty decent actually.
Its probably the massive blood sacs combined with base dom 10.
I would pay huge sums just to make my priests to be able to blood sac in this game...

Pretty sick strat there...strangeness indeed!
Midgard seems to fit very well for this in lots of ways.

[Mardagg]

btw,did you patrol your home province Alpine Joe?

I guess,he might have had lots of stealthy preachers there,too.
That would explain his pretty low research from like 20 turns ago until now .
Glamoured stealthy preachers and blood sacrificers in huge numbers ,all in there own dominion,invisible for everyone else...

*off to further improve my border patrols*

[Quitti]

No problem! To quote a meme, "I accidentally the whole Marignon, is this serious?".

To be honest, it was hard work, but bit too easy. I see it was due the bad event then few turns ago. I never set foot on marigs lands though with any other than normal scouts to honor our NAP. I doubt you could catch them though, they are stealthy +35 with glamour or so ;) (and I got better use for earth+astral than stone idols)

Having said this, I claim whatever is left of Marignons lands. I fought a shadow war for them for quite a while. Please do not interfere. And I don't mind the delay if you need one, got somewhat busy weekend probably coming myself too.

[Mardagg]

I will change the hosting intervall to 72 hours then for this turn.
Switching back next turn,but since it always takes another turn to take in effect,we got 2 turns now with 72 h hosting.
So that means also more time on the weekend;)

I might get my turn in already on Friday though.

[Mardagg]

I still dont get get how the dom death is handled exactly now.
I always thought,that all troops just disappear in that case.
But i have intel about all Marignon lands now being defended by former Marignon troops.But to me,it looks,that not all former Marignon troops are Indy now...some disappeared.
Also,on Llamaserver,it says that there are only 2 indie provinces atm.:confused:

[Quitti]

That's because they're Midgårds lands now! ;)

[Mardagg]

The council of the Dragon Blooded has been held.
This event normally occurs only once every 1000 years.
Several anouncements will be made public soon.

Tabos
Speaker of the Leech
Drinker of Dragon Blood

[Mardagg]

Announcement No 1:

Despite a growing number of dragon blooded fearing the fast spreading false religion of midgard will cause Ulm to disappear,
Ulm will keep on honoring the NAP with Midgard as of now,due to excellent past history with Frigg.
Our research is suffering for a long time though and a lot of gold is going into a lot otherwise useless things just to repel the constant religous waves.
The constant blood sacrficing at our borders and the excessive number of Temples will be seen as act of minor aggression vs us though from now on.
Appropriate counter measures might be taken here in the future.
The civil war in Marignon has teached Ulm a lesson.
We wont just sit and wait still until our faith is surpressed.

This is a warning.

[Mardagg]

Announcement No 2:

The civil war in Marignon.
Lama(178) and Neotha(176) are under the protection of Ulm from now on.

1.
The daughter of the son of the daughter of Tabos,speaker of the Leech,is married with Goltra,the son of the duke of Lama.
We have send a demigod therefore to claim that province for him.

2.
The Duke of Neotha,a former ally of Ulm, has asked us for help to put down the civil war.
We have answered and send a demigod to help him.

Further letters asking for support have reached us.
Many Dukes are fearing the false religion and prefer to ally with Ulm instead.
Ulm might take more actions here in the future,even though not necessarily.

[Mardagg]

Announcement No 3:

Since every temple of Midgard is a powerful force in itself,Ulm might react with increasing Force for every new temple build all while still honoring the NAP.
This means any new temple anywhere,regardless of distance.

Especially the last 2 "no-temple" provinces at our borders,(154) and (150) will be watched closely here.Building a temple there will be seen as act of major agression.
We think it is not necessary to build any more temples there,unless Frigg isnt honoring our past anymore.

[Quitti]

If me building temples to spread my faith is a transgression to you, then you summoning more tartarians should be seen as transgression towards me, eh?

Still, I will honor your wishes. I will not build temples at 150 and 154, but I will construct them in the old marignese lands that we have. We have fought for them, and the people must be brought under our rightful religion. For this we can stop sacrificing blood slaves at your eastern borders, but this entails that the mind hunts and earth attacks against me (I'm looking at Ulm and Patala mainly. Both I know will have casters capable of doing them, and the few such spells happened in provinces that were advantageous to Ulm) will stop. Otherwise sufficient measures will be taken. If they will stop next turn, I will stop blood sacrificing.

Also, having fought marignon dominionwise for a very long time now, I will not look kindly at simply grabbing those provinces, being fought over by us. Those provinces will be the only ones Ulm will be having from the late Marignon.

[Mardagg]

If they will stop next turn, I will stop blood sacrificing.



deal.
We will stop taking future counter measures if you stop sacrificing and keep (150),(154) "temple-clean".
Be warned though,we are Vampires,we can smell blood.We will realize if sacs are going on again at our borders or not.

Tabos
Speaker of the Leech
Drinker of Dragon Blood

[rdonj]

So, midgard is at 1500 dominion? Wow. Is anyone having any luck fighting back his dominion?

[Quitti]

Rightous religion cannot be fought or contained. It is only inevitable that all the poor folk of the world are brought under our wise leadership and guidance.

Seriously, it passed 1500 already? Neat.

[Mardagg]

Ulm hereby announces that the NAP5 with Midgard is canceled.
We remind everyone that a cancelation isnt the same as a declaration of war.
We need more flexibilty to counter that enormous religious waves though,should it become necessary...

Tabos
Speaker of the Leech
Drinker of Dragon Blood

[Mardagg]

We are Turn 65.
I forgot how i handled that matter in Dom2.
5turn NAP,means attacks can happen with turn 70?
So on Turn 69 attack orders can be given?

[Quitti]

Yes, should you want to attack me, turn 70 is the turn hostilities can happen at earliest, so you can issue hostile orders at turn 69.

[Maerlande]

Greetings from Bnupa,

It is sad to see such a happy set of friends come to conflict. We of Patala hope our good friends can remain in happy coexistence. Of course, if not, watching exciting battles is always entertaining.

We will continue to exist in harmony with our neighbours.

[Quitti]

Harmonious wellbeing! I see hordes of thralls and other stuff including old dead gods on my borders. Ulms talks of peace seem quite moot, but who knows, perhaps they are there just to keep the local populace under control, due them being fully under our righteous religion...

[Mardagg]

I swear to god that this was a movement mistake.
I wanted him to move to scytha from Amiridon,and i really dont know why the hell he moved to Hynaphe.Must be mistakenly happended when i tried to move a scout from there who still stayed there.

As you can see,if i wanted to breach the NAP,i would have done it full scale and not this unimportant province.
And he isnt even equipped for attacking.

ulm will give you 300 Gold,for your income and pd loss.
We wont touch the taxes as well.
In exchange we would like to get free retreat for him to amridon.

Sorry for this.

[Quitti]

As you can see,if i wanted to breach the NAP,i would have done it full scale and not this unimportant province.


No problem. Accidents happen. Though I'd like to point you to the first post regarding:

Diplomacy is considered binding.
So breaching a NAP is not an option in this game, as it was specifically stated in the game making that diplomacy is considerede binding considered binding.

You have one turn to move him back to Amiridon or any your or Pythiums or Patalas province of choice that can be reached :)

Happy hunting.

[Kietsensei]

The Serpent priests are more than worried with the constant preaching of a false religion in the empire.

This is why the men and Lamias of the glorious empire of Pythium announce that the pact signed with Midgard will be cancelled in three months. All the diplomats have been called back to their homeland.

[Mardagg]

Guys,i will be away from Friday to Monday.
I will definately need 96 hours hosting for the weekend therefore.
Since it always takes 1 more turn before it can be switched back to 72 hours hosting i would like to postpone already this turn by 24 hours.
This makes sense imo,since this turn might be pretty complicated for some of us.

What do you think?

[Kietsensei]

Ok for me. I was going to request a 24h delay anyway.

[Mardagg]

ok,we are on 96h hosting until after the weekend.

[Quitti]

No problem with the delays, I've got loads of stuff to do and the turn requires some fine detail :)

[Mardagg]

Ulm hereby announces:

It has begun.
The horde has been moved to war,it was inevitable.

Tabos

[Kietsensei]

I am eagerly waiting for the second round of this conflict:
The empire strikes back :)

[Mardagg]

Sorry guys,looks like i wont make it back home before Tuesday.
Ive postponed the turn by 24 hours therefore.
I just discovered that this can be done without changing the regular hosting schedule.So, its a 1 time thing and we are not on 120 hours hosting after that.

[Quitti]

No problem. I've been absolutely swamped in university work and will be so tomorrow too - I'll most probably have time to do the turn though at some point.

[Maerlande]

But but but....! My turn is done :) Naw, it's cool. Everyone needs delays at this stage.

[Quitti]

Could I have a 6h extension to the turn? I'll be spending my day tomorrow on the uni and I still need time to do the turn.

[Mardagg]

ive delayed the turn by 12 hours.

[Mardagg]

*bump*

(As you all probably know by now,patching to 3.24 is necessary to run and play the turn)

:)

[Kietsensei]

Hello, I would like to announce that I will be away for vacations from the 29th of March to the 21st of April (3 weeks).
Since we are only 3 nations left, I don't want to look for a sub. Would you agree for a break during this period? I will be able to submit my turn on Saturday but afer that quickhost should be removed until I am back.
If 3 weeks is too long, then I will understand and I will just stall for 6 turns.

[Mardagg]

Personally, i agree to a break.

3 weeks are for sure a bit problematic,especally considering i will be away for 9 days right at the start of May,too,but we have all invested so much time already in this game that it would be a shame,imo,to force the number 1 nation in provinces to stall for 6 turns or more.

Also,since we are right before the final conflicts,a sub isnt a solution here, this would greatly influence the outcome and since the turns are quite complicated by now it would probably be quite overwhelming for the sub.

So,since we are still 4 players left, what are Patala and Midgard thinking about this?

[Maerlande]

NO WAY!!!! You guys have to stale for 10 turns so I can catch up.

Just kidding. It's fine by me. I'll miss the game a lot but I can live with that. I would hate to see a sub join now. The game is too complex. I'll just spend the 3-4 weeks hatching devious plots to "TAKE OVER THE WORLD"

Or maybe I'll use it to build test games: Patala vs. Pythium, Patala vs. Ulm.

[Quitti]

I don't mind the break - though I'll probably go AI in that case - there's not much keeping me around, been cursorily just hitting stuff with remotes and checked that my mages are scripted for the big battles.

[Kietsensei]

Cool, thanks for agreeing with the break :)

[Kietsensei]

Unfortunately, I won't have time to do my next turn before my departure. So let's start the break and see you in 3 weeks!

[Quitti]

Have a fun trip, or whatever you're doing for 3 weeks :)

I have now gone AI, there isn't much to mop up - I think my global caster also got inferno'd this turn anyway or something. At least I got to cast one shimmering fields before I ran out of... fields?

Good luck with the rest, I didn't stand a chance against all three of you. And perhaps you learned to mind hunt protect your tarts and whatever better from now on, who knows ;)

[Mardagg]

hosting delayed to 22nd of April.

@ Quitti

gg!
Dom push strat really plays like LA Ermor once a certain number of temples is reached.
Pretty tough to avoid being ganged upon.
Hope to see you around in a different game!

[Quitti]

Indeed, it was a fun lesson in dom spread probably for everyone, me included. I was surprised to get marignon down without too much effort, as he has h3 inquisitors. Either way, enjoy the game, I'll come back to check who won later on :)

[Kietsensei]

Hello,
Unfortunately I won't be able to be back on wednesday as scheduled. All flights towards europe have been cancelled because of the volcanic ashes. I have no idea how long it will take, but everyone hope it shouldn't last more than one week.
I hope to be back as soon as possible.

[Mardagg]

I thought so.
I will postpone hosting.
Lets hope that we will get in at least 1 or 2 turns before i am away from 3rd May to 10th(unless flights are cancelled then too).

[Maerlande]

I'm here whenever. Breaks are fine.

[Kietsensei]

I am back finally :) I will be able to post my turn until monday

[Mardagg]

great,we are back:)

The new deadline for this turn is Tuesday evening.
As I am leaving on Sunday this fits very well since we get exactly 1 more turn before the next break.
I will be back on the 11th of May then,so the break wont be that long this time.

[Maerlande]

One more turn? Cool.

[Mardagg]

ok,time for the next break.
I will be back on 10th of May.I should be able to submit my turn until 12th May then.

[Mardagg]

ok guys,i am back.
Since no one has send their turns in so far,i have postponed hosting by 24 hours,just to make sure.

@ pythium

I have PMed you the email adress of Patala,because it appears that Maerlande cant post on this forum anymore.

[Mardagg]

Ulm is hereby cancelling the NAP with Pythium.
On turn 89 the first attacks might happen(meaning on turn 88 the attacks can be ordered).

@ Pythium

since you did stall for some turns now and didnt answer to my PM`s i will give you one more turn to react.
If you dont reappear by then,we will declare the game finished as a 2 way tie between me and Patala.
I think i gave you enough time by now,i ve waited like 3 weeks or more for you to do something.

Ulm and Patala are allied for quite a long time already and to be honest,i dont think you would have a chance there anyways considering the Nexus and the general strategic position+ sheer army size.

[Mardagg]

The game is finished!
Patala and Ulm are declared winners,an allied victory.
Even though the game didnt deserve such a disappointing ending due to the disappearance of Pythium, I think it was a great game with lots of interesting wars/stories.
I will post my turn file for anyone curious to see it and might do a summarize of the history of Ulm within the next days.


(kietsensei,if you are reading this: at least i hope that nothing really bad happened to you and you should know that i wont blame you from getting bored of 6+hour turns and a huuge upcoming war , probably meaning 12 hours or more per turn, being caught between 2 allied major powers for a basically hopeless position).