Warcry - new semi-rand game :)

[Zeldor]

Here comes a game that I promised for some time. Rules are a combination of RAND ones and normal multiplayer games, so:

- nations are random [but you can name 3 you don't want to roll]
- players are known and you know who plays who
- diplomacy is allowed
- no trading is allowed [or donations]

Other settings:

Era: MA
Map: Dawn of Dominions [adapted for MA, details lower]
Settings: standard for MA, magic sites 50, HoF 15, Renaming ON
Mods: CBM 1.6, Zlefin's F&W thugs [http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=43378]
Victory conditions: 6/12 VPs
Players: 12




Players:
01 Caelum - Zeldor
02 Atlantis - FrozenLlama
03 Agartha - Pashadawg
04 Arco - Baalz
05 Vanheim - Ferrosol [Omnirizon as a sub now]
06 Ermor - Quitti
07 Jotunheim - Lolomo
08 CTis - Burnsaber
09 Eriu - Micah
10 Bandar Log - QM [Trumanator as a sub now]
11 Pangaea - Lingchih
12 Pythium - Graeme Dice

Other important reminder:
- no cheating [if you are not sure it's cheating, ask]
- no Sickle farming
- patrolling with immobile commanders allowed [minor bug]

[Zeldor]

Ok, just waiting on 4 players, I guess that it should be easily to fill, probably till Sunday, especially with few people PMing with interest in that game.

So please, take a look at the map and see if you have any suggestions. Especially for Agartha, Caelum and Eriu. I was thinking about switching Pan for Machaka, but I don't think they'd be able to survive long enough.

I will also need names of provs that need changing, at least in Pan neighbourhood. Eriu's too.

[Zeldor]

Ok, it looks like there will be just 1 spot for volunteers, unless someone from invite list decides to play after all tomorrow. Will let you all know tomorrow evening.

[LoloMo]

What's sickle farming? If it's using the sickle artifact to get death gems, I think it would be pretty hard to determine what is "farming" and what is "normal" usage. Can we just mod it out?

[Graeme Dice]

Sickle farming would be using the sickle with remote attack spells to harvest 30 death gems a turn. Either get somebody to attack one of your provinces with remote attack spells, or cast ghost riders on your own province.

[LoloMo]

Oh! Crafty! Ok, I'm good with disallowing that.

[Zeldor]

Well, not certainly remotes, but just Sickle + ally suiciding troops against it.

[quantum_mechani]

or cast ghost riders on your own province.Actually, ghost riders doesn't work since they are lifeless.

[Calahan]

Actually, ghost riders doesn't work since they are lifeless.
Just because I'm a bit anal about these things sometimes, it's actually the Mindless tag that is the key when it comes to getting gems from the Sickle. Since killing a Lich for example (which is Lifeless), will net you a gem.

After having the Sickle in three games over the summer, I found no way of self abusing it. As all the remote attack spells you can cast with the 'independents' tag (thereby generating a battle) bring no returns gem wise. It definitely takes two to tango for Sickle farming. (hence why I'm guessing it's on the banned exploit list)

Or of course just take Misfortune 3 (or cast Baleful Star on yourself) and wait for the Barbs/Knights to turn up :) (or, now it's mentioned, is attacking barbarians with the Sickle an exploit as well?)

[Graeme Dice]

Didn't realize that. I never managed to quite get to the point that I could try it out except in one game that crashed just before I managed to reach Con 9.

[Zeldor]

Ok, game is oficially full. PM me or post here that 3 nations you'd prefer not to get. Ironhawk will roll nations then.

I will work on the map tomorrow, should have most of stuff on it done. Still waiting on suggestions about balance fixes. And some prov names would be cool too.

[Folket]

I would like to join in this game. I do not want to play Atlantis, R'leyh or Ulm.

[Folket]

... I did not expect there to be a second page with this few number of posts... =(

[Lingchih]

OK, I've been testing. F&W thugs seem a bit, um, weak? Not complaining really... I would rather have them than not have them.

[quantum_mechani]

I would like to request removing pyre vines from the mod. I have a number of problems with them:

1. On thematic grounds I dislike map move 2 'plants'.
2. They have such a bizarre heap of abilities, it looks weird and messy and it's hard to judge balance.
3. The graphics look a bit ugly.
4. They are not thugs or SCs.

[Zeldor]

Ok, MA Scenario map is ready, let me know if there are any problems with it.

QM suggests that no compensation is given to weaker nations, any other comments on that?

[Lingchih]

I am also fine with no compensation for the weak positions. Mainly because I'm not sure what to suggest you give them.

[Ferrosol]

I am also fine with no compensation for the weak positions. Mainly because I'm not sure what to suggest you give them.

Same here.Have only tested the map with MA Arco but one thing that did come up was that one of the provinces next door to their start has a guaranteed navigator recruitment. Is it really wise to give them access to A given that they can communion up pretty damn well without it?

[Zeldor]

Wasn't it C'tis getting them? Hmm... There is also a connection N of Bandar cap that should not exist, I will remove it.

Anyway, I need 3 nation statements to get nations rolled. I need them from Baalz, Pashadawg and Zlefin.

[zlefin]

due to my illness, i'm going to have to pass on this game.
I do look forward to hearing how FW thugs do, as this will be the first real game balance test of it. I know they're a little weak, that's by design; i meant them to be significantly weaker than death summons of the same cost. As to the vines, they were put in as compensation for the loss of fever fetishes (which was part of Zeldor's original request). I didn't put anything at the clam replacement since naiads already occupy that slot. And i didn't do any other path things since that was outside the original goal of the mod.
Zlefin :sick:
PS don't forget my lances and weapons mod zeldor! sometime i wanna see that get into a game too, but I may not be up to harassing you about it for awhile.

[Zeldor]

I really hoped that you, as mod creator, would play. Are you sure? If yes, then FrozenLama was next on backup list.

P.S. I can test lances and weapons mod in next game, assuming you play in it, otherwise I won't use any of your mods :P

[Graeme Dice]

Do we know what nation we're going to be playing yet? I'd like to start testing things.

[Zeldor]

Pasha said he will give his nations in the evening. So it leaves only Baalz to say his nation [FrozenLama sent me his picks when he volunteered to join]. I hope to have nations rolled tomorrow and game started at Saturday or Sunday.

[Lingchih]

Wasn't it C'tis getting them? Hmm... There is also a connection N of Bandar cap that should not exist, I will remove it.


Are you speaking of that connection into what used to be Helheim? It's always been there... I think it is meant to be. It gives that nation a bit more expansion room, and a back door around the mountains for either side.

[Zeldor]

Lingchih:

I meant 137-141 connection, not Helheim cap. It's not in RAND version of the map, so I assume it's a bug that was fixed by Pasha there.


BTW, everyone got their picks, so I PMed them to Ironhawk. I will inform you when nations are rolled. I should create the game on llamaserver today too.

[Ironhawk]

Ok, your nation picks are below. I obeyed everyones dislikes as they were described to me. Let me know if there are any problems:

01 Caelum - Zeldor
02 Atlantis - FrozenLlama
03 Agartha - Pashadawg
04 Arco - Baalz
05 Vanheim - Ferrosol
06 Ermor - Quitti
07 Jotunheim - Lolomo
08 CTis - Burnsaber
09 Eriu - Micah
10 Bandar Log - QM
11 Pangaea - Lingchih
12 Pythium - Graeme Dice

[Frozen Lama]

haha that's ironic Zeldor. i get your nation now. and who knows, eriu might have a chance at winning with Micah in charge

[PashaDawg]

Lingchih:

I meant 137-141 connection, not Helheim cap. It's not in RAND version of the map, so I assume it's a bug that was fixed by Pasha there.


Yes. I think there was an error I discovered way back when when first hosting a game on the map. I forgot all about it. :)

[Zeldor]

Ok, game is up on llamaserver. I don't have time to fix the F/W mod, I will do that before game starts and adjust game settings. You can upload pretenders meanwhile, you should need only CBM for pretender creation [at least making it with old F/W mod version won't cause any problems]. I hope I can get the game started on Monday.

[Zeldor]

We are waiting just on QM and Micah, I really hope they submit today.

[Micah]

We are just waiting on Zeldor, I really hope he submits today. =)

[Zeldor]

Ok, problem got fixed. Use the new turn file and use it to generate new 2h file [in case unit IDs changed]. Here comes proper .dm file.

[Zeldor]

Lingchich was writing about some internet problems and his turn is still not in 1h before hosting, so I added 6h to the timer. Will add more if he does not appear.

Anyway, please submit your turns on time [Baalz, qm! :)]

[Baalz]

Ah thanks, I was out this weekend and planned on just taking a stale rather than holding up the game so early on, but got my turn in now.

[Zeldor]

I don't like staling people. But I also won't let the hosting get too relaxed [and I simply cannot always be near hosting time], so don't try to abuse it :)

[Lingchih]

I got a corrupted turn 10 file. I had the llamaserver re-send it, but it's still corrupted. I cannot do my turn.

Thanks,
Ling

[Lingchih]

Thanks for the delay Zeldor. But with no resolution in sight, and me in such a precarious position, I think I will have to request a rollback. I cannot stale at this point.

Thanks

[Zeldor]

I know. I have no time till evening to deal with it. Maybe someone can suggest a solution? I've heard it happen few times. If not, I will do the rollback in the evening.

[Quitti]

Rollback or stale is the common consensus of dealing with it. I'd say rollback since it's so early in the game, with no one dealing in new turns to see if it corrupts the file again or not. (As in rollback+force hosting, since Llamaserver should have the turn files ready anyway).

[Zeldor]

Ok, I rolled back the game. Will force host once it does the thing.

Ling: get on irc! :)

[Zeldor]

Ok, it looks like llamaserver did not like the rollback and commited suicide...

Next turn due: 00:00 GMT on Thursday January 1st

[Frozen Lama]

hmm. i request a turn resend and it sent me turn 9. the server page says we're on turn 10. i assume this is the whole committing suicide thing

[Zeldor]

Yeah, I cotnacted llamabeast, we have to wait, I don't think I can do anything.

[Zeldor]

I will try to get us to turn10 :)

[Zeldor]

Game seems to be lost in time and space - it no longer appears on llamaserver. I hope llamabeast appears soon to fix it.

[Lingchih]

I'm getting a bit confused (as I think the llamaserver is as well). I got a turn 11, which I did and sent in, then I got a rollback to turn 10, which I have not touched yet, since the game still appears to be lost in time and space (it's not showing on the llamaserver status page).

The llamaserver appears to be acting up elsewhere as well (Overlords).

[Zeldor]

It hosted non-existent turn10, which was not supposed to happen [especially with timer like that], so I rolled back to turn10, just to see that it contains turn9. So I went for the remaining solution - tried to roll back to turn9 so I can force host to generate proper turn 10. And then game vanished [when using rollback to turn9].

[Micah]

I think the global stale to turn 11 was the best option to clear out Ling's bad .trn file instead of a rehost, especially given that it was actually working. =)

[Zeldor]

Like I'm a prophet! Now it looks like awesome solution indeed.

[Micah]

I know, just saying if you can get back there with some tinkering I think that would be a fine resolution...

[Zeldor]

Game does not exist. It's not on llamaserver page. I have totally no access to that...

[Ferrosol]

If and when you get the game working you are going to have to find a sub for me. My computer died on Sunday evening and I have been unable to get it working since. :mad: No idea when I will get it fixed but it will probably be a week or two at least.

[Zeldor]

Still no reply from llamabeast :/

Any ideas? We could restart the game, with or without nations rerolled, but I'm not sure if it'd be a great idea.

[Lingchih]

Probably best to just re-roll it. It's extremely disquieting that Llamabeast does not respond to you though. We may need to look for a new server.

[Omnirizon]

If there is a reroll, and spots become open, I'm available for this game.

This is the only recent game with non-insane settings/mods.

[llamabeast]

Okay, I believe I have fixed the game (confirmation would be helpful as of course there may be issues I am not aware of). All I did was restore the last files I had for turn 9 and rehost. There were some irregularities in how the server had archived the files though, so it does indeed seem to have got its knickers in a twist.

A thousand apologies for taking so long, and, worse, being so uncommunicative. The straightforward reason is that I no longer sit at my computer much, apart from at work, where they have blocked ssh access so I can't do anything. My life is quite different now that I have a job rather than being a student, and I've even deliberately taken measures to reduce my tendency to use the computer, i.e. putting it in the lounge. I now need to swing back the other way a bit and actually answer my e-mails and so forth. In fact it only took five minutes to fix so I will try to take that as a lesson and be less procrastinaty in future. It is important to me that the LlamaServer is considered a reliable server, so I will aim to get back on the ball with it. Sorry to Zeldor in particular, who has really done his best.

[Lingchih]

Many thanks Llama :)

[Zeldor]

It all seems to work perfectly now, thanks for fixing it! I really wonder how the game could get lost in time and space...

[Frozen Lama]

i think we still need a sub for ferrosol

[Lingchih]

Get those turns in folks. The game is still on a short host. And, I don't think we need to be looking for any subs as this point. Just thanks your lucky stars that we got the game going again.

[Burnsaber]

I must admit, I was really suprised to see the game turn in my e-mail inbox today.

"*GASP*, it's alive!"

Also, major thanks to llamabeast for restoring the game from the hands (tentacles?) of the horrors beyond time and space.

[Ferrosol]

better put in a delay while you find a sub for me. With my computer down and neeeding another week or so before I get a replacement it would be a good idea to find a sub for me.

[Zeldor]

My admin pass is not working... I will look for a sub and ask PM to restore admin pasword.

[Zeldor]

Omnirizon agreed to sub for Ferrosol :) I also have my admin pass working, so game is postponed.

[Omnirizon]

my first decree as new king of Ferrosol's nation:

I hereby declare war on everybody.

Don't worry Ferrosol, I got this under control.

haha. jk. I'll be sane.

[Omnirizon]

Can I get a short delay? I won't be back home until around 5 today. I might have enough time, but it would be close.

[Zeldor]

Sure, 6h added.

[Ferrosol]

excellent that you found a sub my computer would have to die just as the game started to get interesting :( Hope I haven't left you in too nasty a position Omnirizon.

[Omnirizon]

dammit Zeldor.

I asked for an extension.

I got home from school. The turn hadn't hosted. I did my turn. I exited to send it off, but it had hosted like 30 seconds ago.

Can I get a rollback?

Or not.

[Frozen Lama]

can you take a stale so it doesn't die a horrible death again?

[Zeldor]

I was not here so I could not read the PM. It was past midnight in europe. Can you live with the stale? I really really hate doing rollbacks unless really necessary [last time we did it here we lost the game from llamaserver page for over a week].

[Omnirizon]

ok.

[Zeldor]

QM has computer problems and he will need temp sub, so I have added 24h. I think Trumanator wanted to sub, I will try to contact him.

[Trumanator]

Hello all, the new ruler of Bandar log has arrived! Any who wish to score some free provs off ctis are welcome to do so. :D

Edit: Also, any diplomatic arrangements I should be aware of?

[Trumanator]

Water pipe burst right over Frozen's computer, so he will probably need a delay until he can figure out a way to get his turns done.

[Frozen Lama]

well i figured something out. turn sent

[Zeldor]

Crap, I staled... and I had good defences planned :/

[Lingchih]

Crap, I staled... and I had good defences planned :/

I wondered why your cap defenses went down so easily.

[Zeldor]

You brought rather small army for what I had ready, were you counting on no defences? :P Anyway, can't do anything about it now :/

[Zeldor]

It's turn 19, so I am increasing hosting to 36h. If you need more, let me know and I will set it to 48h.

[Lingchih]

You brought rather small army for what I had ready, were you counting on no defences? :P Anyway, can't do anything about it now :/

That was just the vanguard... deemed strong enough to take the PD down. Don't worry, more troops are on the way.

[Burnsaber]

Baalz, how do you do that? How do you manage to go to the exact opposite direction than I think that you would go? It has to be voodoo of some sort or something.

Also, Bandar Log, you fought bravely but monkeys just are no match for lizards.

[Trumanator]

You could say that.

[Baalz]

The trick is to consult a magic 8 ball for all my strategy decisions.

[Zeldor]

BTW, if someone cannot find proper FWthugs mod, it's a bit down the first [or 2nd, depending how many you have displayer per page] as attachment. Few posts after map link attachment :)

[Zeldor]

Lingchih:

Didn't I tell you smth about storming? :)

[Lingchih]

Lingchih:

Didn't I tell you smth about storming? :)

Methinks a good old-fashioned dom kill would have been quite a bit better idea.

[Frozen Lama]

Can you say fort spam. MA ermor must be rolling in money

[Zeldor]

It's called "madcastling", someone is learning from master in the art - QM :) Too bad he is out. Caelum is still alive and kicking though :) I should prepare smth cool...

[Graeme Dice]

Well, had I not lost all 17 communicants in my previous turn when the AI decided, to spam nothing but word of power on Atlantis' Dagon instead of throwing in the occasional mind burn, then I might have been able to fight off Ermor this turn. Not that it was a bad choice, but it made me regret researching evocation to deal with Ermorian undead hordes instead of thaumaturgy to deal with SCs. Oh well, Ermor is clearly playing well, so I'd watch out for him.

[Quitti]

What, fort spam, me? ;)

[Lingchih]

Damn, Such a big Caelum mountian. Perhaps Zeldor could just sit the rest of the game.

I did notice that his six-armed pretender is back. I believe it just has one dong though, and Jotun has already chopped that off

[Burnsaber]

Heh, Baalz. It's always awesome to get attacked by you. Definately a great learning experience every time.

[Baalz]

This turn I think the lesson was what not to do. That would have been a lot nicer if I hadn't forgot to stick my communion scripting back on that gaggle of mystics, you were supposed to be getting blade winds and falling fires with some earth elemental blockers, instead of far strikes intended for empoisoners. Ah well, I didn't really expect you to attack into that communion so it slipped my mind. And those howls saved your butt to, an extra earth elemental with my pretender probably would have tipped the scales. Well played. :)

[Burnsaber]

Can I get a 24h extension so that I can visit the shop tomorrow? My mouse broke down and the ball thingy in my laptop is absolutely horrible for playing the turn.

[Zeldor]

Sure. My net is somehow almost dead, so it will take me a while to open admin panel...

[Lingchih]

What a beating of a game. Well, last castle (for now) is up. I could withstand an Ermor force if necessary. Still working on Caelum. It's a slow process.

[LoloMo]

My scout is in place with a huge stash of popcorn. Let the fireworks over Caelum's Capital begin! Let's have a scout party over here :D Anyone with astral window up in this corner of the world?

[Lingchih]

And so, Caelum and it's perpetual storm end. Sorry Zeldor. Had to do it.

[Quitti]

Hey! Fun times, I can hit with non-100prec spells!

[Zeldor]

I expected you to be a man that keeps his word, Lingchih. I am really disappointed. Huh, I did not script even one of my mages. I will not forget it.

[Lingchih]

I expected you to be a man that keeps his word, Lingchih. I am really disappointed. Huh, I did not script even one of my mages. I will not forget it.

I could never have won otherwise. We were at war, after all, not some warm and fuzzy NAP.

[Lingchih]

The remaining commanders of Pan look out on the desolate slopes of the Caelum homeland. "Damn, we wasted 10,000 troops to take this"? says a grizzled veteran. Still, we can rebuild it, and make it a viable capitol. Of this our commanders are sure, and the Prophet is confident.

But, queries the commander, what is our future?

Only time will tell, answers the Prophet.

[Lingchih]

Mighty Pangaea, looks upon it's troops and ponders? What shall we do with them? We can barely feed them all.
An astute general says, "send them on the giants" the giants cannot kill them all, and our supply woes are answered.

The Bull agrees.

[Baalz]

Arg! Stupid scout prophet snuck in and watched the battle for c'tis from the sidelines! Those Sirrush having regen and reinvig would probably have made the difference in chewing through that last wave of longdead. Ah well, profitable turn nonetheless. Anybody in the market for really big wolfskins we'll give a discount if you buy a full dozen...

[LoloMo]

Angerboda mourns the loss of her litter of pups who unfortunately, spent too much time in the Nicolodeon School of Creativity Daycare Center.

We applaud C'tis for continually foiling the attempts of the old fogeys of Arcos from taking their mosquito infected lands! May the pox flourish!

[Burnsaber]

Arg! Stupid scout prophet snuck in and watched the battle for c'tis from the sidelines! Those Sirrush having regen and reinvig would probably have made the difference in chewing through that last wave of longdead.


We applaud C'tis for continually foiling the attempts of the old fogeys of Arcos from taking their mosquito infected lands! May the pox flourish!

Well, since I'm not going to be able to climb back to the game, I might just as well write my "good-bye" post right now (I'll likely play to the bitter end thought, just to keep that nice C'tis dominion up as long as possible ;)).

I decided to go for a slightly different C'tis strat this time and spend a lot of time recruiting poison slingers and summoning animals (since summon animals gives only 100% PR troops when used in swamp terrain, they make for a good meatwall for the slingers). I really didn't have to use this trick against Bandar Log (seriously, if you start near Bandar, you attack him, it's such a no-brainer-play). I managed to kill his SC pretender with a somewhat lucky blow and Eagly Eye'd shamans with Ethereal xbows were enough to decimate his elephants.

Unfortunately Arco attacked just as I was busy mopping up the remains of BL. Since most of my troops were busy, Arco really managed to creep deep into my territory. And just when I thought that I'd started to beat him back, there come another wave of teleporting pd raiders. Sirrushes and their 100% PR was also very nasty suprise, especially when taking into account my earlier strat choice.

I spent a lot of time and gems forging Bows of Botulf and more ethereal xbows (c-c-combo!), which would have allowed me to wield my shmans both as communion slaves and Sirrush killing sniper machines. But of course, then Perpetual Storm came up, making all that effort practically void. *sigh*. Facing no other options but defeat I decided to make Arco pay dearly for my lands and IMHO I managed to suprise Baalz couple of times (although it was mostly me who was taking the beatings).

[Lingchih]

Pangaea wanders liesurely into the giant lands, and wonders why they do not fight back. One thinks they may be otherwise occupied. Heh.

[Lingchih]

Ahh. We realize why Jotun did not fight back now. They have all the artifacts, and can easily destroy us. Well, screw that, we'll take our chances with Ermor.

[Lingchih]

Charon the Great wins his first battle in Cocytos. He shall yet escape the deadly Claws.

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/7728/cocytos.jpg

[Lingchih]

Charon the Great wins his second battle in Kokytos. A middling affair vs. two 2 frost fiends. Not really worth posting a screenie.

Charon will escape the Claws, tougher than ever. The question is, where will he emerge from the underworld?

[Lingchih]

And, Ermor sits again. We did declare war on you, did we not? Bring those undead hordes. We are waiting.

[Quitti]

No, you cancelled your nap, you did not declare a war. We have no intention to attack at least yet. When the attack comes, it should be overpowering, and you still have way better chaff than me, even though I have quite a lot of more of it...

[Lingchih]

No, you cancelled your nap, you did not declare a war. We have no intention to attack at least yet. When the attack comes, it should be overpowering, and you still have way better chaff than me, even though I have quite a lot of more of it...

Ahh, a stalemate then. Well, so be it. We are a patient, long lived people.

[Lingchih]

Charops the Great defeats an Ice Elemental in Kokytos. Once again, not really worth posting. He's getting quite a few stars though. Woe be it to the province where he finally escapes to.

[Frozen Lama]

I have a corrupted turn file. :( i think the only thing is to rollback and rehost right?

[Quitti]

I presume you have tried to get a new turn file from llamaserver?

[Zeldor]

Yeah, try that. If not, catch me on IRC and we will solve that.

[Lingchih]

Yeah, roll it back. Charops got killed by 15 winter wolves in Kokytos. He can't end it like that.

[Frozen Lama]

i tried a resend. didn't work

[Lingchih]

And, on re-host, Charops was instead killed again. Too bad you can't rescript them while they are trapped. I could have easily gotten him out if I could have re-scripted him. I'm beginning to think the Claws is not such a bad spell. I lost all three of my commanders that were sent there.

[LoloMo]

Did he fight 15 winter wolves again on rehost? I wonder if it's random encounters or not.

[Lingchih]

No, he fought four frost fiends this time. He brazenly tried to charm them each turn, although if he had just buffed up and fought, he would have won.

[Lingchih]

Pangaea declares war against Ermor. Yes, it was tacit before now, but now it is official.

[Lingchih]

And so, silly Ermor kniggits, we taunt you a second time. Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of elderberries. We fart in your general direction.

[Lingchih]

Ahh, so you finally attacked, Ermor, well, let's get on with it then. I hadn't actually thought you would take the bait, but good enough.

[Zeldor]

BTW, any coments about FW thugs mod? Has anyone used it?

[Frozen Lama]

I needed to get the turn resent, so make sure you got your turn for this game

[Lingchih]

The undead host finally attacked this turn. I can't say I did much to them.

It's probably Ermor's game to win at this point. I can't stop him. It was a a fun game though.

Well, I shall kill Ermor. It will be the death of me, but I will do so.

[Quitti]

Well, you didn't really have anything else but starving maenads inside. One mage or so doesn't do much. Though, I don't know what rest of your mages can do against that stack either, but still. At least they can produce some real losses.

Too bad BF-wide spells can't really hurt or buff those skeletons. Too much of them - a 'feature' I didn't know about before this game.

[Lingchih]

Well, you didn't really have anything else but starving maenads inside. One mage or so doesn't do much. Though, I don't know what rest of your mages can do against that stack either, but still. At least they can produce some real losses.

Too bad BF-wide spells can't really hurt or buff those skeletons. Too much of them - a 'feature' I didn't know about before this game.

Yeah, the "feature" is a quite nasty bug really, but I knew about it. I've faced thousands of undead before. Just not much I can do about it.

And that battle was so nasty on the processor, I had to abandon my PC (which I usually play on), and go watch it on my Macbook Pro. The PC just choked after a few rounds and wouldn't playback anymore.

And there will be mages in the battles to come. I was getting some important last minute research done, and decided to just sacrifice that castle. I had hoped to do a bit more damage though.

[Frozen Lama]

how many undead died in that battle anyways?

[Lingchih]

how many undead died in that battle anyways?

A pittance.

[Quitti]

Yeah, maybe 500-1000, haven't counted, and not planning to really. Nothing one or two turns of reanimation doesn't fix.

[Lingchih]

Ermor is about to rule the world now. Not sure if anyone cares. I don't. I will of course, fight to the end though.

[PashaDawg]

Agartha has been snuffed. Thanks for the game!

[Lingchih]

Thanks for all the Tarts, Ermor. Could you send some more? We're still kind of low on them.

[Quitti]

No problem, have a few more. We're not running out of them any time soon.

[Lingchih]

See you Micah. Good game. And that was one helluva battle you fought at the end.

And, after watching the "Solarions" in battle, those guys are way overpowered, I think.

[LoloMo]

Yup, good game Micah! Never thought spirit helmets could be so damaging. 70 lightning bolts per spirit helmet over the battle is a fantastic deal. I'll be using them in the future :D

I'm not sure if the Solarions are overpowered. I equipped them not to die by being immune to everything and to have regeneration, at the expense of damage output. They were also backed by an army of mages casting buffs. I'm actually disappointed they killed so few.

[Lingchih]

Yup, good game Micah! Never thought spirit helmets could be so damaging. 70 lightning bolts per spirit helmet over the battle is a fantastic deal. I'll be using them in the future :D

I'm not sure if the Solarions are overpowered. I equipped them not to die by being immune to everything and to have regeneration, at the expense of damage output. They were also backed by an army of mages casting buffs. I'm actually disappointed they killed so few.

Yeah, could be. I wasn't really watching their damage output, and I've since been told it is quite low. I was just surprised at their high mobility and survivability.

[Micah]

Well, I tried my best, but damn, Eriu is just all sorts of awful, especially with no way to counter darkness. Was hoping to get better luck with those charms. At least I can stop wasting time on the game now.

[Quitti]

The Solarions seemed pretty good, and well, that 56 movement really seems kind of... lots. Either way, Micah made a valiant last stand :)

[Lingchih]

Damn, Only 5 of us left? I'm a badass.

[Lingchih]

Thanks Quitti! You solved my starvation problem!

[Quitti]

No problem! But now I need to do something about it...

[Lingchih]

OK. Send them. I doubt I can stop them, but it might be an interesting battle.

[Burnsaber]

Jotunheim, it was about time for you to come and put me out of my misery. It just took you, what, 30 turns?

Anyways, this has been a odd game. I was practically dead in turn 40 already, but Baalz just couldn't get a decent siege on my capital. I'm not sure why, perhaps he got Atlantis on his back at that point? So I just mulled around and sometimes sent raider squads to annoy people. I really loved how I was able to take 4 provinces with 12-15 city guards. No one was intrested enough on our front to even just slightly boost PD to prevent that "raiding squad" from rampaging across the realm :D.

Also, I'm now pretty convinced that MA C'tis dominion is really not much fun. It's not OP by any means, but I really did not feel comfortable with the advantage it presented when I holed up in my cap and it likely wasn't much fun to fight against it. Not sure what the fix could be, since the dominion effect is not moddable.

[Frozen Lama]

Thanks for sticking it out Burnsaber! your fight was a lot of fun to watch, although i lost many scouts to disease in the process. :)

I only attacked atlantis for real after he had mysteriously gone AI. so i guess you were just too scrappy for him

[LoloMo]

Good job fending off Arcos! I saw that you couldn't take down the Arcos giraffe, but neither could they take down your walls. Plus he needs to shuttle around priestesses to heal afflictions on his commanders!

Baalz was building up a huge force of vinemen a province away from your capital. I had to waste a lot of troops with guerilla fights against him, because I don't want the lizards to go down. Their miasma was the only thing protecting my eastern flank. So every turn, I budgeted a portion of my resources to ensure that Arcos couldn't take down C'tis.

But then after Arcos went AI, I found that I couldn't commit enough resources to take down C'tis, because everything went to fighting Eriu.

But now Jotuns are finally able to move against the massive Ermorian threat!

[Quitti]

Massive? I wouldn't say massive. We only have like ten-twelve thousand skeletons and couple of dozen of tartarians or so. And we don't have any useful globals up either!

[Lingchih]

Massive? I wouldn't say massive. We only have like ten-twelve thousand skeletons and couple of dozen of tartarians or so. And we don't have any useful globals up either!


Well, the score graphs show you topped out with over 32,000 troops. Yeah, you've got 10-12 thousand on me (minus a few from that last storming), but I assume you must have a lot more in reserve.

But yeah, Ermor can probably not win. You move too slowly, and seem reluctant to take the battle to the caps you need to gain a win. Jotun is in a good position to win, needing only one more VP. But actually, I'll put my money on Atlantis. He's got the forge, and no enemies.

Sieging my cap would possibly get you another VP, but would be quite costly, and would even perhaps fail, since I have mages of all disciplines in there, along with the maenad hordes I have previously faced you with. Even if you take my cap, I also own the former Caelum cap. It will take you years to march up and siege that VP. The game will surely be over by then, won by whoever.

Sorry, I don't mean to be a spoiler. I'm just stating what I see for the game. I never thought I would win as Pan, I just wanted to hang in there until the end, which it looks like I will do.

[Lingchih]

OK, I finally just watched the last storm on me. I had to move it to my Macbook Pro, since my PC could not play it back. I had left minor forces in place to defend. And they did quite well.

I would doubt, at this point, that Ermor can take my cap.

And, off topic... Is Ermor totally broken? The expanding battlefield seems to me so.

[Quitti]

I would doubt, at this point, that Ermor can take my cap.

And, off topic... Is Ermor totally broken? The expanding battlefield seems to me so.

I doubt it too, at least with just skeletons and thaumaturgs. And that is the reason why I'm reluctant to move onwards fast. You are correct on that I'm not in the best position to win at the moment, but as jotun decided to cancel our nap, maybe I can wreak some havoc...

And freespawn certainly does have it's problems, if battlefield wide spells could actually affect the whole battlefield, it wouldn't be broken.

[LoloMo]

I would say Atlantis is the winner unless we all kiss and make up and invade Atlantis :) He has the forge for too long already. I bet he has all sorts of teleporting nasties by now. The closest Atlantis victory point to any army we have of significant size is the underwater Atlantis capital, and there's no way we can take that. So I guess we'll all just have to wait for Atlantis to finish forging stuff for his 200 Frog SCs and come take our victory points.

[Quitti]

Or then you could divert your forces to him instead of me, oh poor little Ermor. The forge has been on for quite a while and we can't really do much about it.

Anyway, isn't army size counted from unit sizes and not unit amount? Skeletons are size2 and skel cavalry are size 3, so 30k army size equals to about 13k-14k units or so. The biggest stack of mine had 10113 undead and 284 normal troops last turn when jotun peeked at it before the storm on that fort.

Also, this picture (http://tinyurl.com/steelcock) is the army in question, just having won the fight with a few hundred skeletons lost.

[Frozen Lama]

Atlantis as the main threat? lol. one nation is just 1 vp away from victory, and the other has 16k undead sitting around plus plenty of healed tartarians. yeah the fishmen have a forge. but other than that..... we're short.

[Quitti]

But you have recruitable SC chassis, so you don't really need much more than forge :)

Either way, I'm not fighting you. I've got my hands full trying to think what to do with Pan and Jotun...

[Lingchih]

Anyway, isn't army size counted from unit sizes and not unit amount? Skeletons are size2 and skel cavalry are size 3, so 30k army size equals to about 13k-14k units or so. The biggest stack of mine had 10113 undead and 284 normal troops last turn when jotun peeked at it before the storm on that fort.


Ahh, thanks Quitti, never realized army size was based on size, not unit amount.

And, that's such a scary picture :cold:

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http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w148/vfb_dominions/zombipocalypse.jpg

[Lingchih]

Hmm. The battles become interesting. Jotun has a chance to win. Let's just get the damn thing done.

[LoloMo]

After years of fighting, the Jotuns are near the end of their journey. The giants will bring peace to the world of Warcry one way or another.

[Quitti]

Mayhaps this can turn out interestingly. I wonder if Atlantis has really put the forge into good enough use to counter that army...

[Lingchih]

And.... after seeing all that carnage, and Quitti staling, I think I shall go AI. Unless anyone has any objections.

[Quitti]

Ah well, I was out drinking, thought I had today still to make the turn. Damn.

At least Jotun didn't win yet :) Ling, I'd prefer you not to go AI, but if you don't want to go on, go ahead. It's been fun looking at you behind my borders and walls so far.

[Zeldor]

I'm out for weekend, so if anyone needs hosting extension - do it yourself. I will PM admin pass to Quitt, Lolomo and FrozenLama, I trust that you won't mess with the game and use it only when needed. I will be back on Tuesday.

[Lingchih]

Hey, I'm glad I hung around for a while longer. That was quite amusing, Quitti. I don't think I've ever seen 30 assassination attempts in the same prov in one turn before.

I think I actually charmed as many as I killed. I thought this was a no-trade game though? And what am I going to do with a dozen assassins with banefire crossbows? Ah well, more mouths to feed. So be it.

[Quitti]

Oh don't worry, commanders won't actually require feeding, even though they do eat.

Anyway, got tired of looking them hanging around, so I thought I'd make some use out of them. Too bad they didn't do much, killed just one dryad and a sleeper or something like that. I originally made them to counter pythium if he should step out of his cap with his mages, so they've been around for a while. But you charmed 8 of them by my count, which isn't even 1/3rd :). I guess I'll have to refrain from doing stuff out of boredom before the game's outcome is not set yet...

[Lingchih]

Actually, I charmed 11 of them. They are still quite worthless to me though. You have long life, I have long life. The banefire crossbows are not much worth. I guess I can use them as scouts.

[Frozen Lama]

ok, sounds like everyone is ok with quitti winning this one. i won my battle. good job quitti.

[Lingchih]

Heh, screw that. You guys made me stay in. I'm not quitting now. Quitti can win over my cold, dead body.

[Quitti]

More fun! We can end this now if people want to, but I can keep going.

[Lingchih]

Nah Quitti, I was just being foolish. The game is yours. Congrats. I hated how you ran from that last battle though, with the vortex of returning. I was hoping to see one last bit of action.

[LoloMo]

Congrats Quitti! That's one nasty bone factory! You managed to keep everyone at bay while you built up your engine.

[Lingchih]

You did, of course, use the one of the broken parts of the Dom 3 engine to win. But, we all knew it was broken, so our fault for not killing you from the start.

[Lingchih]

I would think that, in most games, MA or EA Ermor needs to be dealt with from the beginning. Killing them, that is. It wasn't done in this game, and we see the results.

I would have taken them on early myself, but Zeldor played his hand, and attacked me. Causing a multi-year battle, where I was brought out of the overall game.

[Quitti]

You did, of course, use the one of the broken parts of the Dom 3 engine to win. But, we all knew it was broken, so our fault for not killing you from the start.

Yeah, I agree it's broken. Something should be done to it. I wasn't aware of it before actually engaging you in the fight with those 10k undead though, might've otherwise limited the stack size a bit or split it up into multiple armies which still wouldn't have been easy pickings (like the one 1k army rampaging around and taking C'tis cap for example).

Anyway, if everyone's willing to call it, I can live with that. I can post my last turn after the game has been declared ended.

[Lingchih]

I think it's just up to Atlantis to end it, since he is the only one who has not posted. Considering he staled last turn though, he may not even be paying attention. I declare the game done, and Quitti (Ermor), the winner.

[Quitti]

Well, as FrozenLama was banned, I doubt he's going to come checking. I'll ask him on the IRC. We all have the admin pass so I can declare it ended if/when FL replies to me.

[Lingchih]

Ahh, yeah, forgot he got banned. It's effectively over then, anyway.

[Quitti]

Yeah, I asked him on the dom3mods & IRC. Trum said he's going to be on in 12h or so at least, I suppose we can wait for that :)

[Quitti]

So, the reply I got was "I thought we already did", so I suppose he doesn't mind ending it. Good game everyone.

[Quitti]

Here's my last turn if anyone's interested. I'd like to see Atlantis' last turn, maybe I can coax it out from him on the other forums...

[PashaDawg]

Congratulations, Quitti!

[Zeldor]

Well done :)