Clam Shortage? - Big Singleage CBM game!

[Xanatos]

So, folks, I want to set up a 20+ man game, just checking interest, I haven't played a MP game in months and wanted to come back with a bang:) (hey everyone!) We'll check interest for a few days and if not enough bite we may make it a smaller game. But for now.


According to people's wishes, we will be going WITHOUT gem gens (thats CBM 1.6)

Age: All (single age mod)
Map: Open to suggestions - otherwise defaulting to Glory of the Gods MP version.
Turn rate: 24 hours/turn
Number of players: 20+?
Mods: CBM 1.6, Single Age (as of now)
Settings: Standard, no graphs(muhahaha, now Diplomacy will be really interesting), 15 hall of fame. How do you guys feel about a small boost of magic sites in the world?
Victory conditions: Last man standing or all players agree
Diplomacy policy: Don't lie please, otherwise, play dirty if you want.


Players (Remember to give me an ERA as well as nation name!)

1. La Rl'yeh - Xanatos
2. LA Marignon - OSSA
3. Removed
4.
5. EA Fomoria - ghoul31
6. LA Ermor - rtyffg
7. LA Ulm - Kref
8. MA Rl'yeh - AreaOfEffect
9. EA Abysia - Skor
10. LA Caelum - Fantomen
11. MA Caelum - Tollund
12. LA Abysia - Alpine Joe
13. Removed
14. EA? Gath - Dimaz
15. Ma pythium - Skrabo
16. Ma ulm - Hurmio
17. LA man - statttis
18. Ea arco - Apsophos
19. Hinnom - militarist
20. LA utgard - Ishamoridin
+?

So far there seems to be a lot of folks wanting a magic site rate increase, please PM me with your preference on this, yay or nay, and if yay, how much. Also include your opinion on graphs, i think the majority of those who have spoke up said yes for graphs so far.

[Frozen Lama]

Why in the world would you WANT clams?

[Trumanator]

TBH, if you're expecting any sort of mass participation, you'll have to play w/out gem gens. If you end up doing so, I'd be interested, otherwise not.

[Lingchih]

Well, I guess you can play with yourself, Xanatos.

[Xanatos]

it's what I am used to, but I don't mind going without them if thats what people want.

[Ossa]

I dont mind playing with clams - I'd join with LA Marignon

[Aethyr]

I'd be interested if you opted to play w/o gem gens. If so, I'll take Helheim.

[Quitti]

The gem gens, while add another layer into the game, isn't a good one in my opinion. It causes lots of useless micromanagement, and pushes everyone to aim for one of those with the nations they are playing, or they will be almost excluded from the late game. Removing them does cause a bit of a balance issue - mainly in the way of missing an earth booster.

[Kuritza]

I will play with gemgens, when I return (in about a week).

Without gemgens, its just silly. There is a plenty of games without micro, and lots of wargames with cool different units. I'll play Starcraft when I'll miss zerging, or chess when I'm sick of micromanagement.
Remove gemgens, and everyone will be forced to to aim for IMBA fast conquest, lying their *** out to convince everyone not to unite against them. Actually, its more or less a case with gemgens too, but without an alternate way to get more resources its pushed to the extreme.

[Trumanator]

There's no reason to resurrect that debate here. Suffice it to say that around 80% of the non-newb players nowadays will not play w/gem gens.

[Xanatos]

A note to Lingchih, and Trumanator, Please keep your opinions to yourselves if your not interested in playing, I Didn't post this game for you to tell me I can play with myself or that people won't join, as I said in the title, we will go with what people vote for. If you feel so strongly about this that you need to flame someone, cut your wrists. :eek:

As for everyone else, I'll update the thread with your names and nations, and I suppose we will be going without gem gens as that seems to be the popular choice.

[rtyffg]

Is La Rlyeh allowed? Haven't played for them in MP yet and would like to try.

[Xanatos]

Their picked already=(

[rtyffg]

Sorry, miswrote Ermor as Rlyeh.

[ghoul31]

EA Fomoria

[Xanatos]

I have nothing against a la ermor in a game this size:)

[Grijalva]

MA Bandar Log, please

[Kuritza]

I am out, sorry.

Not playing against LA Ermor + LA Rlyeh again.

[rtyffg]

I am out, sorry.

Not playing against LA Ermor + LA Rlyeh again.
Not so much need La Ermor, can switch to Ea Abyssia, especially, if others will be against allowing Ermor.

[Xanatos]

kuritza you still in if hes volunteering to go abysia? in a game this size rlyeh and ermor's natural advantages are not as great, and thats even without considering the diplomatic gangbangs their surely going to suffer.

[Kuritza]

No sorry. I am depressed.
And dont even mention diplomatic gangbangs near me. :(((((( Against Ermor, it just doesnt happen. Been there, seen that, got scars.

[Grijalva]

I'm changing my nation to Yomi...this thread could use a bump anyway...

[Aethyr]

Changing my nation to Shinuyama

[Kref]

Sign me in as LA Ulm.

[AreaOfEffect]

Middle Age Ry'leh if you don't mind.

Its a rare thing when I decide to play a non-human nation.

[Ironhawk]

A huge game *without* graphs?? You may not have gem gens, but you've made all your micro back by having to manage a legion of scouts.

[Xanatos]

we can always change it as people want it.

[Skor]

I´ll take EA Abysia if it can be.

[AreaOfEffect]

A huge game *without* graphs?? You may not have gem gens, but you've made all your micro back by having to manage a legion of scouts.

Scouts and graphs do not provide equivalent information. One should not be a substitute for the other. That said, turning graphs on doesn't change the fact that I would have scouts all up in your provinces.

[Xanatos]

thats 9 and growing

[Xanatos]

I agree, not equivalent, though perhaps complimentary, These settings are not set in stone guys, lets get the folks and then decide which settings people want.

[Fantomen]

I'm in.

LA Caelum

[Tollund]

I'll play MA Caelum

[Aethyr]

I vote for graphs on.

Also, how do folks feel about changing the victory condition to "x" capitols held for "x" number of turns?

[Fantomen]

No to graphs.

Yes to some kind of victory condition, but there should also be the alternative to win through concession.

[Alpine Joe]

I'd like to play in this as LA abysia. I would prefer graphs on, and a small boost to magic sites.

[AreaOfEffect]

I'm a fan of more magic sites.

I care not for what the graphs do.

I've always wanted to play a game with dominion-based victory condition.

[Festin]

I'd like to take LA Jomon please.

Yes to graphs, yes to magic site boost. Agree to "x" capitols held for "x" number of turns, if "x" is quite big )

[Dimaz]

Gath if CBM.
LA Ctis if vanilla.

[Strabo]

I'm in
MA Pythium

[Hurmio]

I'd like to join as well.

MA Ulm, if still free.

[statttis]

I'd like to join with LA Man.

Vote for graphs off.

[Apsophos]

I'd like to play as EA Arco.
I don't care about graphs and am in favor of an increase in site rate.

[Ironhawk]

Scouts and graphs do not provide equivalent information. One should not be a substitute for the other. That said, turning graphs on doesn't change the fact that I would have scouts all up in your provinces.

Of course they dont provide the same intel. But *without* graphs you have no other way of collecting info. So instead of taking 5 seconds to look at a research graph you are going to have to be watching all your legion of scouts every single turn to count up the other guy's sages or whatever. And write down each turn what the other guy's troop numbers are in all 50 billion of his provinces to try and get some sense of his overall numbers. That is even more mind-numbingly boring than having to collect all my blood slaves by hand every turn in the late game.

The alternative being, just having a handful of scouts in key areas and relying on graphs for what they were designed for: general information. (Which a smart player can manipulate to their advantage, btw - to address the forthcoming complaints of "oh but everyone gangs me when graphs are on").

[Aethyr]

This thread started long ago and I have since made commitments to join other games, so I can no longer participate in this one.

[militarist]

I'd Join Hinnom

[Grijalva]

I would like to change my nation to sauromatia and request that we go ahead and get this game started...relatively soon

thanks

[Festin]

Sorry, but I will not be able to participate.

[Xanatos]

Due to RL business I am not gonna be able to HOST this game, though I am still willing to play in it, is there someone else who would be willing to take over the hosting duties and get the game going?

[militarist]

Does it mean there is no game if no one has time for admining the game?

[Grijalva]

that reminds me: I too am pulling out of this game because I have three other games going now.

thanks,
Grijalva

[Ishamoridin]

I'll hop on as LA Utgard, if I've not just missed it in the list.

[Xanatos]

let's give it a few days to see if anyone wants to take over the admin duties

[Ishamoridin]

Is this game actually going somewhere, then?

[Ishamoridin]

Count me out then, I guess. This doesn't seem to be happening.