Fractures - LA Game. And we're done!

[Quitti]

The game is now finished. Mictlan won it.


What we have here is all 21 nations late-age game. You might as well roleplay your nation if you want to, but you don't have to. I'm also hoping that you don't bring over too many grudges from other games to this one. And the same goes into exporting them from here - what happens here, should stay here.

Game will end when someone can make a verifiable claim of owning at least 7 capitals for 3 consecutive turns, or if all of the remaining players declare one of the players a winner. For further info, see this post (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=719428&postcount=53).


Settings:
Mods: CBM 1.6 (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=43949), Streamers & Standards (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=39989), Magic Site Mod (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=41189)
Restrictions: Ermor and R'lyeh restricted to newer players, should they be picked
Map: Glory of Gods with slightly balanced starting points. (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=719591&postcount=59)
Magic sites at 50 (to encourage magic use)
Diplomacy: Machiavellian. If you can get away with it and you benefit greatly from it, do it. No restrictions on trading/pacts/etc.
HoF entries: 15, renaming on as is normal.
Turns start at 27h, go to 52h from there and if needed, longer.
All other settings as base game. The game is on Llamaserver (http://www.llamaserver.net/). You can find how-to use it here (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=35160).
The game status itself can be found here (http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Fractures).


Nations:

Abysia - Trumanator
Agartha - Herrmeister
Arcoscephale - qui
Atlantis - Squirreloid
Bogarus - Louppatient
Caelum - LoloMo
C'tis - Juffos
Ermor - Stagger Lee
Gath - ghoul31
Jomon - Danakh
Man - Maerlande
Marignon - Raiel
Mictlan - vfb
Midgård - Caerun
Patala - Isokron
Pangaea - rtyffg
Pythium - Ossa
R'lyeh - Ink
T'ien Ch'i - Graeme Dice
Ulm - Quitti (Game admin)
Utgård - Alpine Joe



If you have any questions, you can PM me or post into this thread. If you want an extension, contact me with plenty of time left before hosting, as time differences can mean that I'm asleep or doing something complitely different few hours before the host.

[Trumanator]

Frankly, I just think that Ermor should be banned if there's going to be any noobs, as inevitably you end up with BS like in Setsumi or Ruby.

[Quitti]

I doubt the "inevitably" -part, as it's restricted to a newer player.

[Ferrosol]

I will take pythium

[Herrmeister]

I'll take Agartha. I'm going to be delightfully surprised if I'm not the first one eliminated.

[Ferrosol]

I'll take Agartha. I'm going to be delightfully surprised if I'm not the first one eliminated.

Agartha is pretty good in LA you get strong battlefield magics (bladewinds skelly spam shadow blast fire stuff) and cave drakes for early expansion. your main problems are your old age mages can't hit the broad side of a barn and your infantry is both crap and expensive.

[Trumanator]

I'll take Aby.

[Juffos]

Please let me frustrate myself with the slimy lizardmen of C'tis.

[Squirrelloid]

Ah hell, i'll take Atlantis.

[qui]

Arcosephale, please.

[Louppatient]

I'll take Bogarus

[Graeme Dice]

I'll play T'ien C'hi

[Quitti]

Everything's updated so far. We have 9 players, and are looking for preferably at least ~10 more.

[Alpine Joe]

I'll play as Utgard.

[Caerun]

Midgård, please.

[ghoul31]

Gath

[Stagger Lee]

If any of you frustrated vets would like the chance to kick some LA Ermorian butt, hand me the reins. Think of me as conceptual balance 1.6a.

[Quitti]

Stagger Lee, you're welcome to get your skeletal behind handed back to you ;)

[Svamptripp]

I would love to try out R'lyeh. I am a very new player and I have only been playing MP games for a couple of weeks or so.

[Anaconda]

I would like to play Jomon

[Quitti]

Svamptripp, you're welcome to join in ;) You might want to watch out for Squirreloid (Atlantis player) though...

We've seen lots of interest so far, and if this goes on, we'll start early this week. I'm still open for map suggestions for around 18 players.

[vfb]

I'll take Mictlan, please.

[Isokron]

I can try Patala

[swapoer]

I want to play Man in this game.
Count me in.

[Quitti]

We have 18 players now, if I've counted correctly. There are still spots for a few players, since I won't have the time to start the game today. I'll set up the game to llamaserver monday or tuesday, depending on when we/I decide upon the map.

[Raiel]

I'd like to join as Marignon, please.

[rtyffg]

Pangae is not taken yet? Then i would like to join.

[Quitti]

Allright, we're still missing Caelum from an all-nations game, though I doubt it will see many takers.. Frankly I'm quite surprised at the speed we got players.

[LoloMo]

No Caelum? This will not do at all. Sign me up for Caelum!

[vfb]

We're gonna need a bigger map.

Asia Twist only has starts for 16 land nations, so how about PashaDawg's Epotara?

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=36259

It's got 292 land for the 20 land nations (14.5 each), and a 16-province ocean for R'lyeh to start in.

[Quitti]

Sounds very good vfb, I'll check it out it out later today. It also seems that we got an all-nations LA game here.

I'd like to hear if anyone objects to Epotara as map.

[Ferrosol]

Im afraid I am going to have to drop out of this game before it even starts :( my computer broke down Sunday evening and it will likely be at least another week before I can get it mended.

[Graeme Dice]

As long as everyone agrees to take me out of the game before I have to deal with more than 30 provinces, then that map's fine. Otherwise I'm still a fan of smaller maps.

[Quitti]

Ferrosol: Sad to see you go, but I understand.

Graeme Dice: Well, 20-nation game, there's bound to be lots of provinces. 15 isn't even on the huge side yet (I think medium setting is 15 prov per player)


We seem to have a free spot for Pythium if anyone wants in. I'll give time for someone to fill in to be Pythium if anyone is interested and if no-one objects to the map by tomorrow, I'll host the game on llamaserver then.

[Ossa]

Here you have your volunteer;)

[Quitti]

Welcome in Ossa :)

I'd also like to hear if people need a slowdown/whatever for thanksgiving (Which I believe is on this thursday), as we presumably have a couple of players from US.

[Anaconda]

Thanksgivin' is no slowdown, it's national holiday so it's accelerator!? First 50 rounds during thursday and friday?

Where I can download the proposed map?

[Squirrelloid]

Sounds very good vfb, I'll check it out it out later today. It also seems that we got an all-nations LA game here.

I'd like to hear if anyone objects to Epotara as map.

Not enough ocean to go around. In addition to Rlyeh, all of Atlantis, Mictlan, Jomon, and probably Agartha and Ermor want a piece of the UW action. If Rlyeh is going to even have a chance it'll need more space. I'd shoot for 25-30 total ocean provinces.

I'd also aim for more like 250 total provinces. Yeah, land will be crowded. It will make the eventual end-game less painful, however.

Edit: AoM Orc is about the right size. Alexander is on the large side, but better land:water balance. Glory of Gods (multiplayer) is about right. Multilayer Map just looks awesome, probably a little large. World of Symmetry is the right size (although i dislike the hex-style for this game).

[Quitti]

vfb linked it already, but here (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=36259).

Squirreloid, good thinking, but Agartha does not have national recruitable amphibians. Summonable undead though. And I'm betting ermor has it's hands full on the surface ;) Got any better ideas? I'll look around a bit myself when I have time, hands full on other stuff atm.

[Squirrelloid]

vfb linked it already, but here (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=36259).

Squirreloid, good thinking, but Agartha does not have national recruitable amphibians. Summonable undead though. And I'm betting ermor has it's hands full on the surface ;) Got any better ideas? I'll look around a bit myself when I have time, hands full on other stuff atm.

See edit to post above. I decided to go poke around llamaserver's map list.

It would be nice if llamaserver ordered by province count...

[Trumanator]

Yeah, I don't really see agartha being a major UW competitor.

RE: maps, I'd just like to say that I find Alexander a little hard on the eyes. GotG is good though, as is AoM.

[Quitti]

AoM Orc looks interesting, and 32 water provinces would do the trick. I did a version of Glory of Gods which is modded so that no-one can start in a province that has less than three neighbors, but it still has 47 water provinces which is a tad high. Multilayer map also has 64 water provs which is way too much. World of Symmetry has certain bad qualities (preset starting positions iirc, room for two water nations, and it has some mapwide acces portals at least from when I last played it). Alexander has preset positions for everyone but Ermor and R'lyeh, but otherwise it'd be good.

So, basically in my eyes it'd be a competition between Glory of Gods with the starting points modded and AoM Orcs.

[Squirrelloid]

The Glory of Gods water provinces are broken up pretty well - i imagine some of those will stay indie for quite some time.

[Quitti]

Well, the seas are ordered to two parts, 13 provs for the smaller and rest for the bigger if I remember correctly. R'lyeh would want to start in the bigger one, otherwise it'd be kind of.. dead. Sooner than you can say "hey we have an underwater insanity spreading neighbor! Let's take care of him!". And the map has some imbalance with having few farmlands in a clump while others need to survive almost solely on waste/mountain lands. It's not an awful map still though ;)

[Louppatient]

There's Spring rain (321 land + 29 sea), there is even a version with starts for each LA nations ...
And PlanetRorshach (335 + 40).

Maybe PlanetTorshach is the most balanced of all, but it's a little big (a little more than 16 provinces per land nations) ...

[Squirrelloid]

350+ provinces is way too big. We want the game to actually end sometime.

[Louppatient]

Thinking of it, how will be decided victory ?
If it's the last nation alive, the game will be long, no matter if the map has 250 provinces or 350 ...

(Glory of the Gods is fine with me, too)

[Quitti]

Yes, last man standing, or also known as "when someone has grown in power enough for everyone else to declare him/her/it a winner". I will update this into the main post.

[Squirrelloid]

Please Quitti, make it something like 'hold 7 capitols for 3 turns'. Last man standing just leads to games that go on *forever*.

[vfb]

Well, being one of the nations that actually does have amphibious troops, I don't have any objections to Glory of the Gods.

[Anaconda]

GoG works, lets PLAY!

[Quitti]

Anyone else have objection to the last man standing? Holding capitals has it's merits but it always requires someone to actually go through the trouble to actually verify the claim, which admittedly is not a big trouble, but is trouble still ;)

[Quitti]

After talking with a couple of people from the game, Squirrelloid talked reason into me to adding an capital based victory. So, either control 7 capitols (one of them can be yours) for 3 consecutive turns (this claim must be verified by an external party, preferably someone from these boards that most if not all of us can trust). Another mean to victory will be the concession by other remaining players.

Mainly this is to make the last dozen or so turns of such an game unneccessary where people just gang up futilely on the player who claims a victory. This also means that you should be aware of other players caps, preferably have a scout or astral window or scrying them regularily to see what is the status of that cap. You don't have to inform others of how many capitals they are controlling if you do not want to, but of course you can boast about it if you think it's worth it :) I presume people don't have strong objections about this, or don't simply care about the issue so much. If there are objections with good enough reason for it, it can be rethinked. 7 capitols mean that you must control 1/3 of the capitols in the game, and are pretty much winning the game. If two players can make the claim on the same turn, well, they will have to fight for an eight one or see which loses one first :)

Also, controlling the cap means that you own the fort in it (as is with the victory points, which I will not enable for this game as it would make capitols easy targets). Sieging the fort does not count as owning it, and being sieged while owning the fort counts as owning it.

I will shortly be making the game available on the llamaserver. Enjoy the play, and further questions can still be directed to me by PM or posting into this thread.

Edit: I added a link to the map file of Glory of the Gods we are using to the main post, but here it is again (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=652080). I don't think you need the map file to play, but if you wish to use it for your own pleasure, well, here you go. It is by no means perfect, but it is better than the original one.

[Quitti]

Slight update, it seems the name Fracture had been already used some time in the past, so this one will be called Fractures instead. Use that to submit your pretenders, the game is now ready to recieve them. Make sure to have CBM 1.6 enabled when you create your pretender so we don't have to unneccesarily start the game again ;)

[vfb]

The map linked to here:

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Fractures
(http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=652080)

Actually doesn't have start positions modded, as far as I can see.

Also, the map is missing a connection from 71 to 85.

[Stagger Lee]

I'd also like to hear if people need a slowdown/whatever for thanksgiving (Which I believe is on this thursday), as we presumably have a couple of players from US.

I should have responded sooner, but I won't be near my computer on Thursday (Thanksgiving). I think we may be ready to go today, so is there any way we could do a relaxed sort of start, or just have first turn due Fri eve? NY is GMT-5

[Stagger Lee]

I was just looking at llamaserver. What's Chelms?

[Quitti]

I was just looking at llamaserver. What's Chelms?

Chelms is LA Man. And we can take a slight break on tomorrow, if we get the game going before then :)

[Quitti]

vfb, you were right. I tweaked around, and now you can't start in middle of a swamp or waste, on the outskirts perhaps, but not in the middle. Also removed all water starts with only 2 neighbors (this means a few corner provinces and chokepoints) in the western sea. Didn't touch the eastern one. Overall poor start positions on land should've been mostly removed. I also added connection to 71 <-> 85.

You still won't be needing this to play afaik, but just to make sure and to let people use it in the future, here it is.

[Stagger Lee]

I was just looking at llamaserver. What's Chelms?

Chelms is LA Man. And we can take a slight break on tomorrow, if we get the game going before then :)

:o

I've only had the game a month or so and this is the first look I've had outside the early age.

I was just reading the manual though and did you guys know LA Ermor doesn't need to spend money and resources on troops? They just appear. Like magic. How cool is that? :happy:

[Quitti]

Magically appearing troops! I hope you remembered to take an awake pretender with at least d3 magic.. ;)

[Quitti]

Allright, we've started. Let me know if there are problems (such as two nations starting next to each other) or something. Next definite hosting will be on friday evening, or earlier if everyone get their turns in. Have a nice thanksgiving in the US.

[Ossa]

All 4 of my surrounding provinces are wastelands... oh my god :/

[Anaconda]

What are the crown symbols for?

[Louppatient]

Llamaserver places 5 crown icons, even if there are no VP set in the game.

[Squirrelloid]

It always does. They don't mean anything

[Anaconda]

Nice, almost everybody already submitted their turns, let us try to run as many rotations as possible at this point.... right?

[Quitti]

All 4 of my surrounding provinces are wastelands... oh my god :/

At least you got hydrae! Tbh, I thought I edited out all "only-wastelandneighbor"-provinces from the map. Seems like I didn't. Btw, wasteland has more fire&death sites, so you might want to search for them ;)

[Stagger Lee]

In a dingy corner of each of your capital cities a little shop has just opened for business. Little can be seen inside as the proprietor has apparently not had time to clean the cobwebs from the windows. The shingle is the only freshly dusted surface in sight, and it reads:

WE BUY GOLD, JEWELRY, AND GEMS

especially the shiny purple ones

FAIR MARKET PRICE OFFERED

INQUIRE WITHIN



or if you'd rather not come in

pm stagger lee anytime

[Quitti]

And should you have some nubile virgins available, we, the proud Ulmish people, are ready to adopt them! Just send us a mail and perhaps a free sample, and I'm sure we can find a solution beneficial to everyone. Including the poor girls.

Just to make sure everyone has time to get back from thanksgiving etc the turn is due for saturday-sunday night EU time. Though if everyone can get it in faster, the better.

[qui]

The glorious nation of Arcosephale offers for sale: lame goats, blind horses, agoraphobic eagles, and perfectly healthy worms. Inquiries are handled by the one-legged beggar at the crossroads.

[Svamptripp]

I'm not very happy right now. I have sent in my orders several times now and nothing happens. I am in 2 more games and I have the same problem there. It seems like Llamaserver doesn't like me. It has been like this for the whole week. Usually it takes severeal hours before Llamaserver communicates with me and then the whole slew of orders which I have sent in is dealt with at the same time.

Should I contact Llamabeast or is this something that regurly happens to everyone?

[vfb]

Are you using your ISP email, or web email? I'm using Yahoo mail, and it seems to go through right away. You might see a delay if you are using your ISP email. You don't need to send from the same address you get your turns as, or originally signed up to the game with.

[Quitti]

I'm using Gmail (wonderful tool, allows me to also archive every single dom3 turn I ever come upon without worrying about the size of the turns), and I have no problems. Sometimes the turns take ~10min to get through, but rarely longer than that. Give me a PM if your turns don't get in before the time limit and I'll extend it a bit.

vfb has a good point with the ISP email, though it doesn't necessarily mean that only ISP emails would suffer from that, any mail provider with dropouts from network or buffered email sends (though, who would ever want to do that) might suffer from the same. I wholeheartedly suggest trying with other email address from a different provider (such as Gmail or Yahoo) to see if it solves it.

[Svamptripp]

I am using Hotmail. I guess I will try to create a Gmail account and send it from there. Hold on.

[Svamptripp]

Well it seems Llamaserver has a problem with me. Don't know what I have done... I'm such a nice boy. ;)

I'll PM Llamabeast.

[Quitti]

Ah well, was worth a shot. Though llamaserver didn't respond to my last email either, so it could be that llamaserver itself is having some trouble.

[ghoul31]

llamaserver hasn't updated in the last 3 and a half hours.

[Stagger Lee]

All 4 of my surrounding provinces are wastelands... oh my god :/

Sounds like home! Send us a postcard . . . or a map with directions, and we'll come see this beautiful place for ourselves. Maybe stay a while...

[vfb]

Mictlan's diplomatic efforts with Gath were in vain, and our messengers offering them peace did not return from the land of the evil giants. We can only assume our envoys were eaten, though it is unknown at this point as to whether they were baked in pie or simmered in stew.

The greatest fears of Mictlan were realized when a surprise attack was launched by Gath this month across our borders, into two provinces. Fortunately, several provinces of Gath chose this month to rebel and join the Mictlan flag. Mictlan categorically denies that any espionage was involved. Cleary the people of the land fear the cannibal giants, and seek safety in the Mictlan jungles!

At this moment, two deadly armies of regenerating, berserking Gibbors are still rampaging through Mictlan territory. Keep your women and children at home, and all diplomats are advised to exercise extreme caution when travelling to the area.

-- Mictlan Board of Tourism

[ghoul31]

Yes, this means that Mictlan has all their troops tied up fighting me. So feel free to take some of his provinces.

[vfb]

See? See how evil Gath is?

We are doing the world a favour by combatting this cannibal menace.

-- Mictlan Board of Propaganda

[Stagger Lee]

Can I get an extra 12 hrs today? Emergency o/t at work and they don't have the game on any of these computers!

[Squirrelloid]

qui, check your PMs!

[Quitti]

12h extension added. Just as a reminder: if someone needs an extension in the future, it's more reliable to send me a PM since I'll be checking those first thing I log into the forums, and I might miss this thread.

[Alpine Joe]

I dropped and broke my computer moving out of college yesterday, and thus have been unable to do my dominions turns. Is there a chance I could get a 24-hour extension while I try to fix it? If not, I'll weather the stales. Thanks guys

[Quitti]

Ah, I see you staled last turn, but I'll add in 24h for you to sort out the computer. Quickhost is still on, so when all turns are in it'll host.

[Squirrelloid]

A warning to the nations of the world:

The nation of Atlantis is involved in a death struggle against the barbarian hordes of TC. Their Ancestor Vessels number well over 40, and are a terrifying sight on the battlefield.

Unfortunately, TC is in a corner such that no one can help in the obvious fashion. But be warned, should I fall any of my neighbors could be next! Atlantis would not turn down aid in this struggle. Please PM if you don't want to fall victim to the AV horde.

[vfb]

Uh ... this is from the CF2 thread:

Alright it doesn't look like my computer will be up and running by the next hosting, so if burnsaber is still willing to take over, it would be great to have him sub in. once I get everything in order, I'll see if he still wants to keep playing, and if he does he can have the position permanently...

Has Alpine Joe PMed the admin here or anything? Does Utgard need a sub, instead of just delaying the game?

[Quitti]

Nope, no PM's to me. I'll try to find out if he needs a sub.

[Alpine Joe]

I will be getting my new computer tonight after work, so If i could get one more 24 hour delay that would be excellent. If not I will tank the stale once again. Thanks guys for your patience.

[Quitti]

I'll postpone it for 24 more hours.

[Stagger Lee]

:rip: RIP Zierod of Patala, the Unforgiving King. We never even saw you! In Ermor, we have ways of extending your life. If only you could have contacted us sooner. From long range, without properly preparing the body, our spells can have unintended and indeed grisly consequences.

On second thought, what's so bad about that? :eek:


OOC: you have the distinction of being the first player killed off in a game I'm playing in. That probably doesn't make you feel any better though, does it? Hope I actually see you in a game soon. :)

[vfb]

So, which nation sailed on the wings of glorious victory, and ate Patala?

[Quitti]

It was probably Mictlan, those devious fishmen who like blood!

Or perhaps it was the work of the... Meese.

[vfb]

Mictlan is busy slugging it out with the cannibals. We would not harm our (dearly departed) jungle brethren. So, you are right, the Meese must have got 'em, Bidet rest their souls.

[Squirrelloid]

I will be away this weekend.

My turn 19 is in.

Request turn 20 to delay hosting until sometime late monday US Central time. I'll try to get it in earlier, but I can't make any guarantees.

[Quitti]

I'll postpone it until early tuesday EU time once the turn hosts.

[Quitti]

News for the masses! We'll be taking a christmas break, so no turns due on 24-26th of december. If anyone needs more time to spend their holiday, let me know.

R'lyeh has now staled twice in a row, hasn't replied to my PM and hasn't submitted this turn even though I postponed it for 24h - if he stales one more time I'll try to look a sub for him. It should be in a very salvageable position at the moment, with his huge gem income...

[Quitti]

Allright, R'lyeh staled so we'll need a sub for him - next hosting will be on tuesday afternoon EU time if we do find one. Slightly later if not.

[Quitti]

Replacement for R'lyeh has been found - Ink (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/member.php?u=33473) will be fulfilling that spot.

We will still have one or two hosts before xmas, so get your turns in!

[Ink]

hello everyone. I'll have my first turn as the new overlord of R'lyeh in tonight.

[Stagger Lee]

Hi Ink. Welcome. :up:

[Stagger Lee]

Bogarus staled. I can't see how he's doing, 'tho it looks not so good. Reason I say anything is he's staled twice in a row in David&Goliath. :sick:

[Squirrelloid]

Are we going to take a break over the holidays? 23-27th with just quickhost or something?

[Quitti]

Are we going to take a break over the holidays? 23-27th with just quickhost or something?

To quote myself:
News for the masses! We'll be taking a christmas break, so no turns due on 24-26th of december. If anyone needs more time to spend their holiday, let me know.

[Louppatient]

Bogarus staled. I can't see how he's doing, 'tho it looks not so good. Reason I say anything is he's staled twice in a row in David&Goliath. :sick:

Hi,

I just had some connection problems, it should be OK now ...
(And no, my position is not a good one ... But that's interesting to see mistakes to avoid in the future, even if I got some very bad luck, too :) )

[Quitti]

Making mistakes teaches you not to make more of them :) - If it seems too many people would stale this turn, I'll start the xmas holiday season early and postpone it by 120 hours or so.

Merry christmas to everyone, enjoy.

[Quitti]

Allright, everyone got their turns in (first time in around 5 turns!) in time. Next hosting will be on 28th, around 3pm EU time unless someone requests an extension. I will be gone on 31st dec -> 3rd jan so we'll be holding another pause then also, so everyone will have time to spend new year with their families/friends/however they choose.

[qui]

Greetings.
The glorious nation of Arcosephale would like to announce that we can provide Dwarven Hammers, and a variety of other equipment, for a proper compensation. Nations being far away are given preference ;). Feel free to inquire about our assortment.

[Squirrelloid]

The false god of TC is slain. His corpulent one-eyed form was burned without ceremony as a warning to those few who debased themselves to worship such a monstrosity that dared peer over the walls of their Capital. With all serious opposition in the area destroyed, TC's capital is sure to fall.

Despite our military victories there, our own capital remains besieged by a large cavalry and archery force. While the source of their retched Ancestor Vessels has been dammed, they still have a ready supply of almost 60 of the foul creatures. To end this threat once and for all, Atlantis requests aid in the form of death gems. Although destroying the TC threat is a public service, if necessary we will trade W, N and A gems for D gems, but would gladly accept gifts of the precious gems given out of gratitude for our efforts on the world's behalf. Do not let the spectre of TC's might rise again. Now is the hour to finish this deadly foe. Such an opportunity will not come again.

[Quitti]

I will be gone from 31st to 3rd, so next hosting will be on 3rd of January, 2010. Quickhosting is still on, so if everyone gets their turns in, it'll host, but the turn host will still be 120h until the 3rd day, unless someone needs more time.

Happy new year from the Counts of Ulm, may blood flow and your crops wither!

[Anaconda]

I am extremely dissapointed for our (former-)close friend's and neighbour's Ermor decision to break our undisturbed peace.

[Squirrelloid]

You made *friends* with *Ermor*? You are a blight upon the world and deserve to die (although hopefully not at Ermor's hands). Maybe someone more sensible than you will step up, put you out of your misery, and do what you should have done to start with (namely, kill Ermor).

Friendship with Ermor is a terrible mistake. It may already be too late to stop the undead tide from overrunning the world.

[vfb]

Mictlan expresses its moral support for Jomon, in their battle against the evil Ermorian menace! Let us know if you need any items (Herald Lances, maybe?) forged, I will provide them at cost.

Mictlan encourages other nations to support Jomon in their struggle against the undead, and to forgive them for their attempts to make peace with the zombie threat.

[Stagger Lee]

Friendship with Ermor is a terrible mistake.

We are hurt! :hurt:


And we were going to bake cookies that you could take along on your little war with T'ien Ch'i. :p

[Squirrelloid]

Cookies would not avail us. Besides, they get soggy after we defrost them.

[Quitti]

Allright, it's year 2010, and we're going back on track. I'll be setting the turn host to 52h since we're hitting turn 25 mark soon. As usual, if you need postponement, PM me. Next hosting will be 3.30 AM GMT on tuesday the 5th (that's late monday evening for the US people). Do tell me if you need more time to get back from holidays or such.

[vfb]

Mictlan accuses Utgård of the following crimes:

- Invalid occupation of Marignon territory,
- Failure to apprehend the Gath cannibals who are residing in their lands,
- Disrupting the development of anti-Ermorian technology,
- Destruction of Marignon armies, which could have been used against Ermor,
- Being a bunch of big nasty aggressive giants, just like Gath was.

Mictlan proclaims that we reserve the right to:

- Enter Utgård lands to apprehend the members of the Gath exodus,
- Return the lands of Marignon to their rightful owner,
- Maintain a defensive position in the lands of Utgård, as is necessary to prevent the spread of Ermor, should Jomon fall, or be seduced by the wiles of the undead princes.

[Squirrelloid]

Mictlan accuses Utgård of the following crimes:

...

- Disrupting the development of anti-Ermorian technology,
- Destruction of Marignon armies, which could have been used against Ermor.
...

Verily i tell you, these are grave crimes against the nations of the world, and should be justly punished with righteous anger.

As much as the rising might of Mictlan worries the humble Atlantians, we can not fault their reasoning. We especially support the return of Marignonese lands to their rightful owner.

[Stagger Lee]

- Disrupting the development of anti-Ermorian technology,
- Destruction of Marignon armies, which could have been used against Ermor,
...
- Maintain a defensive position in the lands of Utgård, as is necessary to prevent the spread of Ermor, should Jomon fall, or be seduced by the wiles of the undead princes.

Mictlan accuses Utgård of the following crimes:

...

- Disrupting the development of anti-Ermorian technology,
- Destruction of Marignon armies, which could have been used against Ermor.
...

Verily i tell you, these are grave crimes against the nations of the world, and should be justly punished with righteous anger.

As much as the rising might of Mictlan worries the humble Atlantians, we can not fault their reasoning. We especially support the return of Marignonese lands to their rightful owner.

Hey - we can hear you. We're not the undeaf you know!

We're starting to get that feeling again, like you all think there's something different about us. We assure you we are just people. If you prick us do we not bleed?... Uh .. Hey there's nothing coming out...

Why are you looking at us like that? :shock:

[Alpine Joe]

The proud nation of Utgard wants the world to know that we were not the aggressor against Marignon, rather, they attacked us first, in a surprise attack. Any military actions against Marignon were retaliatory. Be that as it may, if Mictlan is itching for a fight, then they will get one. They are however, the clear aggressor, and should terrify nearby nations as much as ermor.

[Raiel]

The proud nation of Utgard wants the world to know that we were not the aggressor against Marignon, rather, they attacked us first, in a surprise attack. Any military actions against Marignon were retaliatory. Be that as it may, if Mictlan is itching for a fight, then they will get one. They are however, the clear aggressor, and should terrify nearby nations as much as ermor.

Now that is funny... Clearly Utgard is not the aggressor... it is in no way possible to be considered agressive when capturing and forting provinces adjacent to another player's capitol, right?

Anyway, the humble nation of Marignon offered terms that would have more than compensated for the loss of ONE PROVINCE - with no response.

I warned that retaliation would earn Utgard nothing but misery... Lidjis has fallen. I do not issue idle threats.

[Alpine Joe]

Terms? Utgard received no diplomatic envoy from Marignon, merely a silent attack upon our territory. Twist it however you wish, but Marignon struck the first blow. Utgard will strike the last, however.

[Raiel]

Methinks you'd better recheck your PMs... I sent one with a very generous compensation plan right after that attack. Water under the bridge now, though.

[vfb]

The proud nation of Utgard wants the world to know that we were not the aggressor against Marignon, rather, they attacked us first, in a surprise attack. Any military actions against Marignon were retaliatory. Be that as it may, if Mictlan is itching for a fight, then they will get one. They are however, the clear aggressor, and should terrify nearby nations as much as ermor.

There's nothing at all terrifying about Mictlan. We are in harmony with nature, and just want to be left alone to worship our dear Bidet, without the threat of being overrun by a horde of zombies.

It is true our landholdings have increased somewhat substantially following the eviction of the Gath cannibals, who launched an attack without warning across our border. And as we chased Gath into the land of Marignon and Utgård, those lands too came under our stewardship. It was in the lands of Marginon that we discovered the terrible truth about the ferocious giants of Utgård. Utgård is either a slave or unwitting pawn of the Ermor menace. It's irrelevant either way. And Marignon must be returned to its former glory, for Marignon are champions of the light, and Ermor will wither before their righteousness.

Mictlan has made its intentions clear, and shown itself to be an honorable nation by giving Utgård fair warning, where none was required.

[Quitti]

Our offer to buy your slaves.. er, voluntary female workers still stands. We can offer up to con 4 items in exchange. We also are looking for a thistle mace, should someone have one laying around.

I'll postpone the hosting a bit (12h), due we've had some stales lately, to see if everyone gets their turns in, and to accomodate my coming weekend of weird sleeping rhythms ;)

[Quitti]

No word from Jomon, and I was requested a postponement for 24h, so it is granted.

[Quitti]

Well, Jomon doesn't seem to be coming back either, so I'll look for a sub - we wouldn't want their neighbors to gain too much ground without resistance, would we?

That being said, if anyone knows a sub who might be willing to take on the position, ask them to PM me. I'll add time to the host if it seems we won't get a sub before the next host. If no-one steps forward in a few days, I'll get someone to turn him AI.

[Stagger Lee]

You are a blight upon the world and deserve to die...at Ermor's hands...someone more sensible than you...put you out of your misery...

Friendship with Ermor...may already be too late...

Such lovely sentiments, unfortunately too much for the Jomonese emperor to take...:(

[Squirrelloid]

You are a blight upon the world and deserve to die...at Ermor's hands...someone more sensible than you...put you out of your misery...

Friendship with Ermor...may already be too late...

Such lovely sentiments, unfortunately too much for the Jomonese emperor to take...:(

For his crimes against all life the nation of Atlantis hopes he committed Seppuku as is proper =)

[Quitti]

I have not still recieved any word about anyone wanting to sub for Jomon, and Abysia seems to have some computer trouble so I'll have to postpone the turn.

[Quitti]

Danakh (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/member.php?u=34798) will be subbing into Jomons position, so we can get the game going again. The game will host on saturday evening EU time.

[Danakh]

Hi everyone !

mod installed, turn recieved ... here i come !


Can i know against who i am at war at the moment ? :D

[vfb]

Thanks for joining us!

Last my scouts saw, you were being invaded by the undead horde south of you.

[Stagger Lee]

Car pool to one party in the wrong neighborhood and you're labeled a "horde" forever...:rolleyes:

[Squirrelloid]

If the rotting carcass fits, wear it.

[Quitti]

Notification from the main marketing team of Ulm:

Greetings, good fellows, and not so good fellows! May you be a giant, a man, or a pile of bones, we are now open to business! The nation of Ulm is selling DWARVEN HAMMERS with the extraordinarily low prices of 14 earth gems per one, or 40 blood slaves (limited time offer). We already have a few preorders, so they will be filled before your order will be processed, but nonetheless they will be fulfilled in the most timely manner possible. Negotiation to the price is also available, but as the markets are what they are, we cannot give too much way into our prices. We can also offer other items. Inquire within.

- Ludwig Olaf Ludenberg Reps, prime market director of Ulm.

[Raiel]

The Lord of Marignon invites all players to send (via PM) their best offer for one Ring of Wizardry...

[vfb]

The gentle priests of the jungle have finished teaching the peasants of Gath in the error of their ways. With the last believer's educated entrails decorating our altar, the cannibal god has been banished to the void.

But that is not the only news!

This month Mictlan's army advanced through the lands of Utgard, and came face to face with death itself. The western provinces of Jomon are overrun, and the legions of Ermor stare at us with unblinking eyes! The fight against true evil begins now, even while much of Utgard's forces still remains to assault Mictlan's flanks.

[Danakh]

Just to give news : i won't last long against Ermor army ... i am completely outnumbered :)
My home province will certainly fall this turn ...

A least it won't have been long !

[Stagger Lee]

Just to give news : i won't last long against Ermor army ... i am completely outnumbered :)
My home province will certainly fall this turn ...

A least it won't have been long !

The Jomonese people will come to the grave knowing that their God was willing to fight. A few months ago, this could not be said. All the people of the land of Fractures owe you their thanks.

And you may have an ally. The mad minions of Svamptripp, formerly known as Svamptripp have stolen in in the night and attacked us in broad daylight! They have stabbed us in the back, right to our face. They have given us a reach-around from... oh well, you get the point. The war you have all really been hoping for has begun. Maybe the ridiculous Svamptripp has received assurances that he is not hated as much as we apparently are, but he would have to be insane to believe it. :doh:

In the turnabout is fair play category - Pwyllh, Lord of Ermor would like to thank Peisandros, Lord of Marignon for his gracious contribution to our cause

[Raiel]

...

In the turnabout is fair play category - Pwyllh, Lord of Ermor would like to thank Peisandros, Lord of Marignon for his gracious contribution to our cause

How doth he lie to thee? Let me count the ways:

1) "Fair Play" - such a public announcement is only fair play if this is a lie and I haven't contributed as requested.

2) "Gracious" - I'm an @$$, and most don't even need me to point out how ridiculous an accusation of courtesy aimed in my direction would be.

3) "Contribution" - Again, most probably don't me to spell out how desperate my situation is - and how badly I need to trade. No contributing here.

Now, noble Ermorians, if you have anything of worth to offer (other than the unavoidable war with your neighbors), we will happily trade with you. We like to trade. You don't? Then go eat chrysanthemums!

[Graeme Dice]

Congratulations to Atlantis by the way, who managed to outmaneuver me completely and catch me unawares from the water.

[Squirrelloid]

You don't realize how close a thing that battle at my capital was, Graeme. I only just finished researching Enchant 6 (Grip of Winter, Arrow Fend) the turn you stormed my castle! Yay counting on the AI to cast the spells I wanted?

[Graeme Dice]

Well, both capital sieges were fairly close, and had I not had an E9 blessing, those ancestor vessels wouldn't have stood a chance. Now it would be nice if commanders would make sure that they actually bless themselves and other sacred commanders when told to bless five times. I had four or five celestial masters there that were not blessed throughout the battle. It was close enough that a few more lightning bolts might have made the difference.

[Danakh]

Mouhahahaha

Today, Jomon celebrate a great victory against the unholy army of Ermor ! The undead army have be reduced to ashes ...


Ermor, send us your next army, we do not fear you !



PS : seems that i am going to play a little more, but event with no hope of victory, it is fun ! :p

[vfb]

A sad tale of woe from Mictlan. A peacefully employed bus driver was providing transit services to several _ahem_ young ladies, when a ****ing huge lightning bolt burst from the clear blue sky and burnt him to a cinder. Okay, so we actually don't care very much about the driver, but we had a soft spot in our hearts for those girls, who perished when the subsequent driver-less bus smacked into a tree, bounced off, burst into flame, fell off a cliff, and then plunged into a lake.

We are miles and miles away from the Arco bastages who caused this mayhem, but we hereby declare war on them, as a symbolic gesture, if nothing else.

DEATH TO ARCO!

[Squirrelloid]

Atlantis is endeavoring to make true your statement at this moment. Unfortunately, our own bus drivers seem equally vulnerable, so some of the transportation plans for getting to the front have had to be rethought.

[Stagger Lee]

Yeah! We lost some good people to lightning too!

Go get him! :D

[Quitti]

One player needs an extension, so +24h added.

[qui]

We apologize for inconvenience caused by our lightning. It was aimed at Atlantis that is ravaging our lands, any other casualties are just unfortunate collateral damage. Well, one way or the other, it's not like we can stop it now, so we'll all just have to learn to deal with exploding buses, exploding trees, exploding... well, exploding everything more or less. And hopefully everyone explodes equally, so that shouldn't be a problem, really. Apart from Atlantis, who should explode more :).

[Squirrelloid]

Atlantis hates to inform you that the military apparatus suffered no real damage. At risk groups include young children and... yeah, young children. Adult Atlantians are made of hardier stuff, and you, child killer, have just earned our enmity.

[qui]

Well we guess we had earned that before, unless these invasion forces were just misunderstood Atlantian sightseeing tours. Nevertheless, if lightning doesn't scare adult Atlantians, we'll have to kill them with fire instead maybe.

[Stagger Lee]

On a desolate, windswept hill in the mountains above the former capital of Jomon, a solemn ceremony is held. There are more here than mortal eyes can see, and all are not as sombre as one would believe at first glance. The great pine box is lowered by ropes tied to behemoths standing silently to the side.

The Arch Bishop is saying something about the dead God, and how in the end he was a different person, not such a putz. A druid steps forward to sweep up some fallen chysanthemums because, well, lets just say he's better suited for that job than anyone else in attendance. (On paper, the plan was to plant those flowers around the grave, ensuring the peace after death that a respected fallen enemy has earned. But the mere sight of the things growing free has such an effect on some of us that placing the dread flora inside the coffin was thought best.) He opens the box a crack to drop in the last of the broken flowers. His eyes go wide, his face turns white.

"What have you done with his body, you monsters?" he shrieks.

The druid is hacked to pieces on the hilltop. The pieces are dropped into the box. The box is lowered into the ground. The throng, seen and unseen, shrugs and moves away...

[Quitti]

12h added due player request.

[Quitti]

12h added again due player request.

[Stagger Lee]

As the new guy here, I ask all of you - should I be patching to the new version now, yes or no? :o

[Juffos]

Hey guys. This game won't bore me, time almost flies.

He he he.

[Stagger Lee]

Can I have an extension this turn?

Lots of damage here in NY from that storm = lots of OT at work. I will try to line up a temporary sub should it become necessary.

Sent PM also. Sorry guys.

[Quitti]

Postponed the turn by 12h before checking here due player request on IRC. Adding another 12h (for a total of 24h). PM me if you need more time.

[Stagger Lee]

Thanks for your patience. Things are pretty much back to normal now. Anyone heard from Man?

[Quitti]

Nope, I'll pop him a PM to see if he's still around. If not, I believe we'll need a sub.

[Stagger Lee]

...mmmmm...turkey...mmmm...

We think this turkey tastes better than we remember turkey tasting back when we think we remember having taste buds.

...mmmm...

[vfb]

For the high crime of Turkey-eating, Mictlan declares vendetta and eternal war on Ermor. No more Thanksgiving dinners for you, zombie men!

[Squirrelloid]

Little did LA Ermor realize that turkey eating was all part of Mictlan's plan. Not only did it give Mictlan an excuse for all-out war, it also caused the ingesting army to load up on Tryptophan, making them all fall asleep when they should have been girding themselves for battle!

[Quitti]

No answer from man yet - anyone know a suitable sub who'd be willing to take up the position? PM me here or on IRC if you do. If I don't find anyone before tomorrow, I'll post here on the forums for a sub. I'll also add 24h to the timer for now.

[Stagger Lee]

For the high crime of Turkey-eating, Mictlan declares vendetta and eternal war on Ermor. No more Thanksgiving dinners for you, zombie men!

While we regret missing that window of opportunity wherein we could have been great friends, we would like to take this moment to set the record straight. Those turkeys were eaten in self-defense.

Little did LA Ermor realize that turkey eating was all part of Mictlan's plan. Not only did it give Mictlan an excuse for all-out war, it also caused the ingesting army to load up on Tryptophan, making them all fall asleep when they should have been girding themselves for battle!

Tryptophan is slowly absorbed into the bloodstream through the stomach wall. If you remember:

If you prick us do we not bleed?... Uh .. Hey there's nothing coming out...


We have no blood to distribute said tryptophan, and while we think we remember having stomachs, sadly we just left neat piles of undigested turkey all over the place. :)

[Quitti]

No word from man, so I'm posting for a sub, and postponing the hosting for 60 hours. If no one takes up the position before that (saturday), I'll have someone set him AI, as his position doesn't seem to be a game winning one, though he could make a difference still. If anyone has an objection, please do voice it :)

So, Man needs a permanent sub (changed the topic of the thread to shameless advertising).
Hordes of bowmen need a leader! The position isn't the best around, but should be a solid base to build on. Maybe.

[Maerlande]

I will sub Man. Folks can update me on any diplo by PM or IRC

[vfb]

So Ermor, how do like your Bat? Oven-roasted, or slowly poisoned? Slowly-poisoned, I suppose. We'd like to take your order for next month, so which will it be? Turkey or Bat?

I was worried you had picked up that Tempest.

[Stagger Lee]

Yes thank you for that. And for your varied poultry menu. We dread few things more than the prospect of the same thing for dinner night after night. ;)

[Quitti]

Hosting postponed by 24h due player request.

[Stagger Lee]

The stomachs we think we remember would surely have been turned by the stringy red hens of Marignon, but those big, dark ones?

... mmmm ....

[Maerlande]

Eat my shorts

[Stagger Lee]

Eat my shorts

Will there be poultry in there?

Or just something fowl?

HA Ha ha ...

:o

[Stagger Lee]

Can I ask for an extra 24/36h this turn? I will try to do as much as I can tonight, but Sat. & Sun. are going to be busy enough without firing up the game. Thx.

And Happy Easter from all of us risen dead! :happy:

[Quitti]

I'll add 36h, I hope you meant this turn (56) :). Happy Easter to everyone :)

[Stagger Lee]

Pangaea, you could not find room in your hearts, or your vast lands for those poor lost pilgrims? A pity. :(

But who will tend those lands after you are gone? Your candles are almost out now. And you all still think we are the enemy!

[Quitti]

Candles.. mm... Made out of old peoples fat.. mm..

[LoloMo]

And so it was that after months of campaigning under the baneful eye of the Burden of Time, the old and weary Caelian forces at last lay siege to the C'tissian Fortress of Demon's Hill. Wracked with swamp disease, eyes dull with unnatural old age, and their once youthful vigor depleted, a bright flame nevertheless burned in each Caelian heart. At last, Ekishnugal, the Vile First King of the C'tis race, whom the lizardmen have foolishly called back from the dead only to wreak havoc on all living beings, was surrounded and trapped inside the Demon's Hill Fort. A great battle of old afflicted Caelians ensued against the cesspool dwelling lizards, their Sauromancers raising legions of ancient lizard corpses to do battle on their behalf. But the Caelian forces, led by the Immortal Pretender Himself, opened the heavens and deadly stones rained upon the lizard army, crushing both the living and the unnaturally reborn. His army annihilated, Ekishnugal fled, never to be seen again, perhaps to finally leave this world behind. And so the Vile Curse of the Burden of Time is lifted, and the creatures of the world are again free to live out their lives in full.

[vfb]

Mictlan sends thanks to Caelum for liberating the land from the evil burden!

Just wait though ... word has it those evil Ermorian zombies are scheming to recast it, pronto. Quick someone, fill up that last slot!

[Quitti]

I believe the nation of Ulm might be able to help with that! (or not).

Oh and added 6h due player request again.

[Stagger Lee]

Pangaea's dominion is not like most people's dominion. See, it goes all the way to eleven...

...with 37 provinces :shock:

[Squirrelloid]

um, what?

The dominion leader is by far Mictlan. What does Pangaea's dominion have to do with *anything*?

Edit: Oh, it is exceptionally low, isn't it? I'd blame a blood sacking Mictlan, whose dominion is *crazy*, and who appears to neighbor them.

[Stagger Lee]

OOC

Yeah, I'm still pretty new to this, but getting domkilled with 37 provinces and 11 forts just seems insane.

[Squirrelloid]

OOC

Yeah, I'm still pretty new to this, but getting domkilled with 37 provinces and 11 forts just seems insane.

A Mictlan game-leader with 1800 dominion is also pretty insane. Holy blood sacrifice, Batman?

[vfb]

Don't listen to this Ermorian propaganda. They are currently trashing Mictlan's armies on the field of battle. If it wasn't for the brave sacrifices we are making, you'd all be reading the Necronomicon at breakfastime.

[Stagger Lee]

Don't listen to this Ermorian propaganda. They are currently trashing Mictlan's armies on the field of battle. If it wasn't for the brave sacrifices we are making, you'd all be reading the Necronomicon at breakfastime.

Is it propaganda when it is true? Our words are met with skepticism yet the non-partisan citizen review board (aka llama)
says Mictlan not only has twice the dominion of their nearest competitor and very nearly half that of our entire world, but also wields the largest army, by a solid margin.

If we are all doomed to eternal Mictlanese servitude, at least we will go (back) to the grave knowing we tried our damnedest(sic) to stop them.

Ooh, we love that book - "That is not dead which can eternal lie". Great stuff, but more traditionally at bedtime.

[Quitti]

Added 24h due Mictlans request, he probably needs more time to script his turkeys!

[Stagger Lee]

I'm not 100% certain llama is taking requests right now. It seems to be accepting turns, but I got the reminder this morning and the update clock hasn't moved since yesterday. I couldn't finish my turn last night because it took my PC 2 1/2 hrs to show me a battle replay that apparently didn't really happen, and I hope to get back to it tonight.

[vfb]

Thanks for the heads-up. I've done what I could under the limited time, but I've got a feeling those turkeys are gonna be someone's lunch. :)

[Quitti]

I'll attempt to postpone it again, but if it's not accepting the admin commands, there's not much I can do.

Edit: It says hosting on sunday now.

[Stagger Lee]

It seems that our brains have become as useless as the rest of our major internal organs. :doh:

Does anyone know if they still have the "early bird" special at the brain depositary? :p

[Quitti]

The nation of Ulm would like to ask "wtf?" as we're looking at the army graphs, especially one specific Ermor nation in there.

Also, I don't want to die!

[Squirrelloid]

Ginormous Phallus, god of Atlantis, knows nothing of Ermorians: too busy thrusting northwards. Also, Ermorians are too anorexic for our tastes.

The scoregraphs, however, do make an entertaining read.

[vfb]

Mictlan is just responding to Pan's assault on our peave-loving peoples. We had no desire to go to war with them. Their dominion was just fine, all they had to do was a little preaching. We've got no idea why Caelum invaded Pan ... perhaps they may have thought Pan was going to convert to Bidet-worshiping, and they jumped the gun a little?

Jeez, here I am, busy trying to save the world from the zombie menace, and as thanks I get veiled accusations and threats, and a stomping-on by carrion mastadons. :P

[Maerlande]

Mictlan is just responding to Pan's assault on our peave-loving peoples.

I love peaves too. They make great pets.

[Quitti]

Jeez, here I am, busy trying to save the world from the zombie menace, and as thanks I get veiled accusations and threats, and a stomping-on by carrion mastadons. :P

We'll stand by your side against the ermorian threat! At least as long as it takes for your dominion to seep into our lands...

[Stagger Lee]

Well, we think everyone should set aside their petty differences and join forces to rid the world of the Pangaean menace. Come on guys, let's get him!

[vfb]

Eh? Someone's not attacking Pan? Who is that slacker!?

[rtyffg]

Eh? Someone's not attacking Pan? Who is that slacker!?
Ulm and Rlyeh, i think ).

[Quitti]

Just you wait! I have no access to their lands. I would gladly take any if you gave it to me though...

[vfb]

I'm going away for the weekend. After this turn hosts, can you please add time so I can do my turn on Monday night? Thanks!

[Quitti]

Certainly. I'll add time so that it'll host early morning tuesday EU time.

[LoloMo]

So, how many Capitals do the Turkeys have? How many are they currently laying siege to?

We have the Agarthan and the C'tissian Capital only aside from our own.

Victory conditions for this game is 7 capitals for 3 turns.

Sneaky Turkeys! :p

[Squirrelloid]

That's "Turkeies" according to the game!

[vfb]

Oh, don't worry about us Turkeies. Pan is besieging the lovely fabled capitol of Mictlan as you speak, with a massive horde of foul carrion beasts. We do not expect our walls to withstand their bludgeoning.

[vfb]

Oh, hold on a sec ... if Caelum just has Agartha, C'tis & Caelum, does that mean Atlantis has Midgard, Atlantis, Arco, TC, Aby, Patala, and Bogarus!? Did I miss one? :O

[Squirrelloid]

Oh, hold on a sec ... if Caelum just has Agartha, C'tis & Caelum, does that mean Atlantis has Midgard, Atlantis, Arco, TC, Aby, Patala, and Bogarus!? Did I miss one? :O

I believe you must have miscounted. I only possess 4 capitals worth of sites that I know of.

You're a fine one to cast aspersions on others - how many provinces away from Ermor's capital are you? How many fallen capitals have you stripped from his hands?

[Squirrelloid]

We have reason to believe, after discussion with Ermor, that Mictlan owns the following capitals:

Marignon, Utgardt, Midgard, Jomon, Gath, Mictlan (his own)

We also have reason to believe he is sieging another capital (Pan's? He's sieging a Great City), and is pushing near to Ermor's.

In other words, beware, Mictlan is dangerously near winning, possessing 6 capitals and potentially acquiring 2 more.

[Stagger Lee]

See? It's what we've been saying all along. :angel:

[rtyffg]

You haven't destroyed us yet? What a slow attack).
Also, Mictlan does have our(Pan's) capital, so know it in your calculations.

[vfb]

We have reason to believe, after discussion with Ermor, that Mictlan owns the following capitals ...

Oh great, now you've started believing the undead. Well, don't come running to me when 10000 death knights come galloping through your living rooms.

[Quitti]

We believe Caelum also holds Midgårds cap. We think it was under C'tissian control before the whole incident with Burden of Time, and we didn't take it.

[vfb]

Hmmm. :P So everyone's just putting their own diplomatic spin on things. But if there's one thing I know, those undead dudes are always trying to pull one over on the living. Definitely can't be trusted! As soon as you do, they sneak up behind you and eat yer brains.

[Quitti]

Brains

Or turkeies.

[vfb]

Last month, Mictlan aquired 3 capitols. On turn 64 we held the capitols of:

Mictlan, Gath, Pythium, Pan, Marignon, Utgard, Jomon.

It's turn 65, and although Pan still has a few forces besieging Mictlan, they cannot harm my walls. Even if someone teleports a massive army onto another of my capitols, they will not be able to storm until turn 67, so I will have held 7 capitols for 3 turns.

Does anyone else have 7 caps since turn 64? Atlantis or Caelum are the only nations that come to mind. I can attach the last couple turns if Mictlan's victory is not disputed.

[Squirrelloid]

I almost posted to conceed, figuring you had enough capitals and no one had a way to take one. I see it would have been accurate. I do not care to contest.

Damn, I've just about got 6 capitals (just captured Bogarus and shortly to capture Patala), and was thinking about striking out for a 7th via massive air drop. So i'm like 2-3 turns behind you.

I blame C'Tis - they totally screwed up my scouting. =p

Well played VFB, too bad I wasn't close enough to really do anything about you.

[vfb]

Well, considering you were Atlantis, and I was Mictlan, you had a pretty awesome game yourself! Just 2 or 3 turns behind is really good. I'm surprised you didn't Armageddon wish, to trash my blood hunting. Was it you that snagged the Chalice in the end?

I'll just wait to hear from Caelum, to make sure their diplomats weren't understating their capitol count, prior to posting my turn files.

[Stagger Lee]

We have known for some time now that it would be Mictlan or Atlantis. We will then return to our slumber, to prepare for the next chance, however long it takes. The parties in Jomon were fun! We were planning to get back there soon, but not soon enough. :(

Good game, all. At least we went down fighting. The rest of you seemed to welcome the prospect of worshiping the porcelain Bidet! :o

Congratulations vfb. It was great fun, and very educational, too! :happy:

[Squirrelloid]

Well, considering you were Atlantis, and I was Mictlan, you had a pretty awesome game yourself! Just 2 or 3 turns behind is really good. I'm surprised you didn't Armageddon wish, to trash my blood hunting. Was it you that snagged the Chalice in the end?

I'll just wait to hear from Caelum, to make sure their diplomats weren't understating their capitol count, prior to posting my turn files.

Given I basically have 6 and you have 7, its impossible for anyone else to be in a position to claim victory. (Ok, I also know Ulm still has theirs, Rlyeh has theirs, and Ermor has theirs)

[Maerlande]

I have no way to contest this. So it's fine with me.

[Maerlande]

PS I still have my cap.

[LoloMo]

We have said all along that the Turkeies were sneaky!!! Well played VFB. We only have 4 caps, although we have a dozen geared out Tarts waiting for the Capital defense that never happened :)

[vfb]

Okay, here's the turns. Enjoy. :)

This was a fun game, and I especially liked the RPing during my war with Ermor. Nice job, Stagger Lee!

[Quitti]

So, your caps are following
Mictlan @ 236
Jomon @ 106
Utgård @ 144
Marignon @ 201
Pythium @ 260
Gath @ 264
Pan @ 190

Also, you seem to have ench50 site, conj20 site, some nasty indie mages. And you have about ten times more gem income than I have. I had +2f +5a +3w +4e +6s +37d +6n and about +150 slaves per turn. And +5s and about +20d comes from globals. And I had a blood20 site to make some vampires in, though my dominion wasn't strong enough to utilize them very effectively, except what D mages usually can do vs. undead anyway. I was quite surprised that Ermor never tried to retaliate when all I had was a few h1 inquisitors at prov 98 at lowest point, though I got some chaff thralls and vampires there quite easily. They seem a wonderful tool that I'll need to look into again with higher dom and a bit different settings.

And I didn't know double water bottles worked on a commander, but now I do! Stagger Lee also played and roleplayed Ermor really well, I enjoyed watching that :)

Congratulations vfb, it was fun, and you've won it fair and square, and as there are no one else claiming a similar position, you'll become our new overlord. I'll have the game close tomorrow or today evening to give anyone chance to tell us if they somehow can affect the situation, which I doubt.

[Stagger Lee]

I was quite surprised that Ermor never tried to retaliate...

Well, I was fighting four of you at the same time. I needed to pick targets, and you were the least important (sorry). I was trying to save that ench site, more so than the Jomon cap. I made lots of mistakes, sure, but I felt that I had time to get back to you. If I could just win one more battle...

My biggest mistakes were logistical, I think. Wanting my pretender to cast foul vapors w/o N gems, my quagmire caster with no W gems. Scripting my unburied way over on left flank, my unfrozen way over on right flank, then combining them with an army 10 times their size and, voila, there they are clumped in the middle killing each other with their aura. And not stepping back to regroup when I should have. Leaving that Naiad without bodyguards was dumb too.

R'lyeh was an enigma. Did anyone have an arrangement with him? Or did he have a plan? I wasted a lot of chaff on him - the reason my armies were never as huge as some of you might have expected. We had probably four battles a turn from turn 25 on. And he only played 1/2 those turns!

vfb, when you sieged the province with the enchantment site the first time, I had a mage inside cast iron walls. The fort was down to zero, you had a huge army on it, and I did not think it would work. Next turn, you had moved the army south (instead of storming), and there was just one tart left in the siege. My fort was up to 300 defense. Was he set to storm alone, or continue siege? I really thought I was wasting the gems.

Raiel, had I not picked up Tempest from Mictlan's dead Sleeper, that battle would have gone very differently. I had more than my share of luck in this game. I wish I could have somehow gotten back on the offensive after Jomon, but I guess that's what everyone fears most, isn't it?

Anyway, thanks Quitti, for having me in your game. I guess this was my shot at LA Ermor in MP, unless you'd like a rematch?

[Quitti]

Anyway, thanks Quitti, for having me in your game. I guess this was my shot at LA Ermor in MP, unless you'd like a rematch?

No problem, the point was to enjoy, and perhaps learn new things for everyone :)

I'll probably be hosting another (LA) game at the near future, keep your eyes open. There are some serious problems with huge armies in dom3, I've seen that in Warcry where I have about 10k skeletons in a pile as MA Ermor, so I'm a bit reluctant to let anyone take Ermor or possibly even R'lyeh. But we'll see :)

[Raiel]

It was a pleasure to play with all of you. Learned quite a bit, thank you!

[vfb]

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My biggest mistakes were logistical, I think. Wanting my pretender to cast foul vapors w/o N gems, my quagmire caster with no W gems. Scripting my unburied way over on left flank, my unfrozen way over on right flank, then combining them with an army 10 times their size and, voila, there they are clumped in the middle killing each other with their aura. And not stepping back to regroup when I should have. Leaving that Naiad without bodyguards was dumb too.

The whole quagmire + rigor mortis + grip of winter you often used was really effective. Relief is not enough to counter it. I was worried that naiad was going to add foul vapors to the mix, and just managed to send enough assassins to that province to kill it.

C'tis's Burden really did not help me much at all. It was bearable in my growth-2 dominion, but not in your death-3.

R'lyeh was an enigma. Did anyone have an arrangement with him? Or did he have a plan? I wasted a lot of chaff on him - the reason my armies were never as huge as some of you might have expected. We had probably four battles a turn from turn 25 on. And he only played 1/2 those turns!


I had a peace agreement with R'lyeh, not a formal NAP or anything. He got most of Gath's water provinces when I killed Gath. I got hit with a few Mind Hunts and Dreams after he went AI.

vfb, when you sieged the province with the enchantment site the first time, I had a mage inside cast iron walls. The fort was down to zero, you had a huge army on it, and I did not think it would work. Next turn, you had moved the army south (instead of storming), and there was just one tart left in the siege. My fort was up to 300 defense. Was he set to storm alone, or continue siege? I really thought I was wasting the gems.

I don't think Iron Walls is very good. I tried it myself in a recent game. Really, you need troops inside that are strong enough to rebuild. I ran out of jaguars and in the end used Stygian Paths to move a whole mess of Bats and Fiends down into your province, and their strength plus flight bonus really takes down walls fast.

I think I had planned on storming immediately with that Tart, but he decided to go crazy that month.

[Stagger Lee]

The whole quagmire + rigor mortis + grip of winter you often used was really effective. Relief is not enough to counter it. I was worried that naiad was going to add foul vapors to the mix, and just managed to send enough assassins to that province to kill it.


I did get foul vapors into the mix once, my pretender cast it. She was supposed to take over for him in that respect.

Btw, in our first large battle, my pretender was supposed to cast mass flight. Along with Grip of Winter + Rigor Mortis + Quagmire, I had 50 behemoths scripted to attack rear. They were supposed to fly right over your helpless jags and land on those delicious looking turkeies(sic). When I opened the turn and looked at the battle summary, I thought I was a genius. Then I watched the battle. Not even close to what I expected. I don't remember whether he even bothered to cast it, but there was your Sleeper standing in the middle of the field holding Tempest, like some great Icelandic volcano, canceling all flights. And my behemoths all bumbled right into the swords of your already dying and practically immobilized jaguar warrior army. Fog Warriors was huge for you in most of our battles. Are the thunderstrikes from Tempest, whether cast by the wielder or by the blade itself, affected by the air level of the wielder?

[Quitti]

Very well. Mictlan has won the game. I had fun most of the time, and I hope most of you had fun too.

Good luck, see you again :)

[vfb]

Thanks for running a great game! Happy Vappu :).

[Quitti]

Thanks vfb :) I'll try to do my best to enjoy it.