LAV errors?

[Imp]

USMC & Canadian LAVs, I realise they are diffrent vehicles but as far as I can tell both carry same main armament & same number of rounds for it. 210 ready plus a further 210 stowed but the USMC version gets about half of the Canadian loadout.

Also in canadian OOB in armour screen is LAV Squadron (ID5)
Anyone know what formation this represents as every squad comes with a light mortar

[EJ]

Don or Andy,
I was playing a 1970 battle and noticed the specter gun ship(c-130) had a speed of 200? I'm sure this is just a data error......

[DRG]

Lav info on the list to check

Spectre should be speed five. All other Spectres are 5. The one you found ( USA OOB unit 564.. info that would have been handy to have... read the error reporting sticky ) is the only one with the wrong speed and has been corrected

Don

[DRG]

USMC & Canadian LAVs, I realise they are diffrent vehicles but as far as I can tell both carry same main armament & same number of rounds for it. 210 ready plus a further 210 stowed but the USMC version gets about half of the Canadian loadout.


The USMC load is too light and is on the list to correct. Yes the CDN LAVIII and the USMC LAV-25 use the same weapon but what is your source that because they have the same weapon the two entirely different vehicles ( The LAV III's hull is longer and wider ) have the same ammo load ??? A quick search of http://www.military-today.com/apc/kodiak.htm indicates the LAVIII carries 500 rounds which would put the current CDN load in the OOB very, very close to what it should be. If you have better info please share the source. I can give you one that seems to indicate that 420 rounds are stored in the Lav-25 and 210 are "ready" http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/inf/LAV.html


Typical Ammo Load
25mm M242 automatic gun Turret; dual-belt feed Ready: 210 (150 + 60). Stowed: 420.
APDS-T, APFSDS-T, HEI-T, TPDS-T, TP-T.



I'm fairly sure that's wrong and should be 420 total but this is typical of the "quality" of info we have to work with and just about anyone can find something that deviates from the norm and we could spend the rest of our lives "correcting" bad info like this. I've seen one website claim the CDN LAV III carries 845 25 mm rounds ( I don't belive that either )

Don

[Imp]

As stated in first post aware diffrent vehicles & its stowage not the weapon that determines ammo. Said the same weapon so your rounds per burst calc is same for both. Cant find original ref forgot to bookmark & cleared my history but heres others
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/lav-25.htm for LAV 25
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/lav-gen3-specs.htm for LAV III
All sites were consistent for LAV 25 listing as 150+60 ready + 210 stowed
LAV III lists this to but found 480 total rounds also.
To me stowed rounds of 210 or 270 sounds more correct than the 500 you found
Stowed
150+60 = 420 Total
150+60+60 = 480 Total
500 leaves another 20 shells.

[DRG]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/lav-gen3-specs.htm for LAV III

And that source says ....

Crew - Eleven:

•Driver
•Vehicle Commander
•Gunner
•Eight Troops

Every source I find says 10, three crew and seven troops when used as an infantry section carrier. ( Yes, I know the OOB currently has 3+8 , that has been changed)

http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/land-terre/equipment-equipement/item-eng.asp?product=64

that's the Canadian Armed Forces website so I'm betting they know how many troops get into these things

says.......



"When used as an infantry section carrier, the LAV III deploys with a vehicle commander, a gunner, a driver and seven infantry soldiers. When deployed as a Tactical Command Post, it carries six soldiers"


Unfortunately they don't say how many rounds of 25mm ammo is carried but I have a call out to a guy I know who will know for certain

So if globalsecurity got how many troops load in it who's to say their info about ammo storage is any good ? Stangely enough military-today.com does have the number of troops carried correct ( Crew 3 men Personnel 6 - 7 men ) so until that's proven wrong I'm going with the 500 figure military-today quotes


This is why getting info... RELIABLE INFO...is a complete joke really. Given enough time anybody can find anything that disagrees with just about everything.


Don

[Imp]

Have to admit they are often inconsistent which is why I said the LAV 25 was, anyway finaly off on my trip in a couple of days so I will leave you to it. Seasons greetings & all that & if the patch is a bit late not a problem people get 2 Xmass instead:).

[DRG]

The USMC LAV-25's have been adjusted to 21 / 21.

The CDN LavIII and the Aussie ASLAV-25 are now 25 / 25.

It's only a matter of time before someone disagrees



Don

[DRG]

Seasons greetings & all that & if the patch is a bit late not a problem people get 2 Xmass instead:).


The MBT patch will be released closer to Easter than Christmas

Don

[Suhiir]

I'm not going to comment on the ammo loadout issue.
But I will on a doctrine one.

USMC LAV's are used as recon/raid vehicles not APC's.
Thus while they may be capable of carrying 7 (or 8) troops they very rarely carry more then 6 (and usually 4, a standard USMC fireteam).

Having seen, and ridden in, LAV's while you could maybe fit 7 people that are VERY friendly with each other in the back believe me 4 is more reasonable.
Also keep is mind, that while WinSPMBT can't really reflect it, these are used as recon/raid vehicles thus typically carry extra stores of beans, bullets, and bandages in the troop compartment since they're expected to operate independent of any resupply for a while.

[DRG]

The USMC LAV 25 is "rated" at 6 troops in the game so fits right in with your comments. 6 men is the max NOT "7 (or 8) troops "

The Canadian LAV III is a different beast.

Don

[Suhiir]

The USMC LAV 25 is "rated" at 6 troops in the game so fits right in with your comments. 6 men is the max NOT "7 (or 8) troops "

The Canadian LAV III is a different beast.

Don

Yup, just thought I'd bring this up before someone else did !
Six is just fine for the USMC version.