Utopia - new MA rich game! (game on!)

[Zeldor]

As promised - new MA game with rich settings.

Gold - 250%
Resources - 250%
Supplies - 100%
Magic sites - 65%
Independents: 8
Mods: CBM 1.6
Map: depends on number of players
3 provs on start
Difficult research
no Ashdod
Victory conditions: 7/18 VP capitals

Players :
01. Shinuyama - Zeldor
02. Ulm - Quitti
03. Ermor - Baalz [killed on turn 23 by Shinu + Ulm]
04. R'lyeh - Squirrelloid
05. C'tis - Tarrax(BandC)
06. Pythium - namad
07. Marignon - AgentSmith
08. Atlantis - Frozenlama
09. Abysia - kianduatha
10. Oceania - Folket
11. Bandar Log - MAerlande
12. Vanheim - LeBarjack
13. Arcoscephale - Tollund
14. Jotunheim - Lolomo
15. Machaka - vfb
16. Man - Lingchih
17. T'ien Ch'i - slMagnvox
18. Agartha - Gregstrom

Other important reminder:
- no cheating [if you are not sure it's cheating, ask]
- no Sickle farming
- patrolling with immobile commanders allowed [minor bug]

[Zeldor]

2 other things:

1. Water nations allowed, but I'd prefer to fill all land slots first [assuming we can get so many, otherwise land-only]

2. Game may start after New Year's, unless we fill fast and do some turns before Christmas. There will be a break for holidays, depending on people's plans. At least 22th-3rd, with quickhost on.

[namad]

I'll take pythium

[Baalz]

I'll take Ermor

[Trumanator]

I'll take Mari.

Frozenlama wants Atlantis if UW nations allowed, Arco if not.

[kianduatha]

I'll give a go at Abysia.

[Folket]

Let me join as Oceania.

[Folket]

Or if we are only land nations I can play Vanheim.

[Maerlande]

Put me in as Squirrelloid's foil. I want whichever of his picks he doesn't get.

[Tollund]

I'd like to play Arcoscephale.

[Zeldor]

Ok, 2-3 more people join and I will switch all that wanted water nations into water nations and free up 3 land nations they had as alternates.

[Tollund]

Oh, if Arcoscephale isn't free because of a lack of water nations, then I'd like to play Caelum.

[lebarjack]

I am willing to take Vanheim if Folket plays his underwater nation choice.

[Zeldor]

Ok, water nations are allowed then. I will update player list. Any suggestions for good map for 3 water nations?

[Trumanator]

Glory?

[Zeldor]

BTW, I can let mod nations in, if they are tested and balanced.

I'd like balanced wrap-around map. Hard to find something. But if we get more players it's either Alexander or Asia Twist [and we will need reasonable victory conditions for that].

[Trumanator]

Ugh, does it have to be those maps? They kinda make my eyes hurt. Not to mention being confusing as hell.

[Frozen Lama]

Asia twist really? ~300 provs so far 13 ppl? joy. I second the vote for Glory

[LoloMo]

Mod Nations Woo Hoo!!! Can I have Nehekhara the Tomb Kings? Which other mod nations are allowed?

[Squirrelloid]

Tomb Kings have a very imbalanced pretender choice. Otherwise they're probably fine.

So no crazy golden scorpion thing or whatever.

[LoloMo]

I'm fine without the Scorpion Pretender :)

[kianduatha]

Wait, mod nations allowable? What are your thoughts on Warhammer Dwarves?

[Frozen Lama]

I'd guess that they need a little more play testing first. maybe after dramatica finishes. unless Zeldor says so of course :)

[Zeldor]

I will take a look. Gregstrom wanted me to take a look at nation of his, as he wants to play it.

Sombre did some work on balancing mod nations recently, so I guess all of them could be allowed, unless settings like that make them uber.

About map - it's hard to get anything with 3 water starting locations. I suggested Alexander and Asia Twist as they have it and would work if we got mroe players. But they are a bit big in player/provinces ratio. Maybe Pashadawg could make a new map for us, but it would mean starting after New Year. Opinions?

[Evilhomer]

Well if you want one more player put me down with Caelum. Been the early ages since I played this game.

[Quitti]

I'm not in a hurry - I can start sooner or later, whatever others choose.

[Gregstrom]

I will take a look. Gregstrom wanted me to take a look at nation of his, as he wants to play it.


Not strictly mine. Frank Trollman put Themiskyra together ages back.

[Zeldor]

Gregstrom:

Right now that mod is unusable. You should correct .dm file. It needs work on all .tga links - / not \ and cap letters where needed, otherwise game won't let it work. It needs nation text parsed etc etc.

[LoloMo]

If Tomb kings are not allowed, I'll take Jotunheim instead :)

[Gregstrom]

Gregstrom:

Right now that mod is unusable. You should correct .dm file. It needs work on all .tga links - / not \ and cap letters where needed, otherwise game won't let it work. It needs nation text parsed etc etc.

Interesting... there's a version on llamaserver at the moment which seems to be doing okay. I'll put a bunch of work into it and post something.

[Zeldor]

There is? I just followed download link from llamaserver and found zipped file in 1st post and tried to use that.

[Gregstrom]

Maybe llamaserver uses Windows?

I've altered the mod, but work won't let me upload it. Watch this space, I guess. What's the issue with parsing of the nation description?

[Zeldor]

It's all messed up, nothing shows in new line, where it's supposed to [Priests, Magic, etc]. I am pretty sure that llamaserver uses Linux. Did anyone try to play game with that nation there? And it won't really care about stuff like that really as it's for graphics only.

[Gregstrom]

I'm playing with Themiskyra on Llamaserver currently (Dramatica), so I know that works fine. I've no idea how to put new lines in a nation description, sadly. However... see attachment.

[Zeldor]

Ok, fixed it. That modwriting is really poor :P

Mistakes: [I don't know what to do about nation description though]
- "/" in the beginning of links should not be there, it creates "//" and causes a bug
- capital letters do matter, you cannot have p linking to P and other way - so I had to erase "/" from all links, changed everywhere "themiskyra" to "Themiskyra" [to match graphics folder] and make all .tga files start with capital letters

Nation looks cool, but why valkyries and shadow vestals as recruitables? Other units make sense.

Anyway - concept looks fine, but I think that nation needs some tweaking and balancing to make it viable in MP.

[namad]

maybe we should go with indies9 to match the whole high everything theme?

indies9 with 250% gold should be EASIER than indies5 100% gold anyways... even with indies9 awake pretenders might be totally unused...

[Gregstrom]

Part of the mod looks like the creator shoved in a load of female stuff because it was 'thematic to have all the female units there'. I'm not sure the vestals and valkyries add anything to the nation, but since they don't seem to be power units I'm not that worried about their presence.

I'm aware more tweaking and balancing is needed, partly because I suspect it'll have a pretty weak mid/late game. That's why I'm trying to get it into MP games at the moment.

[Squirrelloid]

The valkyries and shadow vestals are power units. Shadow vestals are *amazing* with S9, valkyries at least look pretty awesome (thinking W bless at least, probably WS or FW).

[Zeldor]

Ok, as for the map, we can either:

1. Scrap water nations [but alt nations got already picked] and play GreeceStain [new Pasha's land only map]
2. Get few more and play bigger map [Alexander or Asia Twist]
3. Wait till [if] Pasha can make us new map [so till New Year].

[Zeldor]

Gregstrom:

Sure, their mages are weak, but give good research. 110B mages are not very expensive either and can work well with worse scales needed for sacreds. Valkyries and Shadow Vestal are surely considered one of the best sacreds around. Of course different blesses work for them. Recruitable fear cavalry is great too, very expensive, but stacked fear does wonders. I don't think you'd get reliable test info here at those settings. That nation here would be way way stronger than on normal settings. Also - they could use some magicless commanders. And composite bows are really strong, which makes their starting army really strong too.

[Zeldor]

There are 2 cool maps that could be adapted to Dominions, would take few days probably. Which one would be better?

http://www.cartographersguild.com/feature/EverlandiaMap.jpg

http://www.cartographersguild.com/feature/YstraadMap.jpg

[Lingchih]

Pending. Probably will take Man. Need to make a build though.

[Zeldor]

There are few votes to max indies, would anyone be against it?

[Folket]

I vote for 0 indies.

I think we should use the Ystraad map but both are good.

[Quitti]

Everlandia looks much prettier, but it's full of place names which don't make sense unless the provinces are named according to them - so Ystraad will be less work and will make more sense with "normal" prov names, as it's places names are less pronounced in the graphics. I'll play either though.

[kianduatha]

Yeah, gonna have to go with Ystraad too, despite the prettiness of Everlandia.

My vote is for high indies.

Have you gotten a chance to look at Dwarves yet? It'd be nice to play them--I want to see how they do with larger battles and if they really do get overrun by higher numbers.

[Zeldor]

If you mention mods, give me a name and link too :) Are they tested and approved by Sombre? And we have settings that make reliable testing of mod nations rather unconvenient.

Quitti:
Adding some names to the map is not hard really, 15 minutes maybe. Nothing compared to work required to do rest of the map [terrain mostly and neighbours]. So don't base your choice on some names :)

[Lingchih]

Max indies is fine with me. My Man build is done. I'm ready to play.

[kianduatha]

If you mention mods, give me a name and link too :) Are they tested and approved by Sombre? And we have settings that make reliable testing of mod nations rather unconvenient.

Hmm, you have a point about it making unreliable testing. In that case I will revise my choice to Sombre's excellent Warhammer Ogres nation http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=35298

[Trumanator]

God preserve us....

[Zeldor]

Maybe just sticking to Abysia would be simpler? As otherwise it'd be only one mod nation here :)

[kianduatha]

Yeah, that would be just silly. Abysia it is, then.

[slMagnvox]

I notice Tien Chi is still available.

If there is still space, and still time, I'd like to join as TC

[Zeldor]

Added. I will work on the map now and see how fast it goes. Will try to adapt Ystraaad first.

[Zeldor]

Ok, so:

- I have set Independents to 8
- game is now closed, we have 17 players, 14 land, 3 water
- I am working on the map, we can start when I finish it and some people can check for problems :)
- Victory Conditions set at 7/19 caps, will it be ok? I don't think we want more with settings like that

[Zeldor]

Hmm... we have 18 players, 15 + 3, so we could use Alexander. A bit big, but way more balanced than whatever we can get fast. And tested. 16.4 provs per player is a bit much though, hmm...

[Zeldor]

Game is created on llamaserver, you can submit pretenders. We will use Alexander map, without special sites, with remade starting positions [map I used to create game is for 16 + 3, but I will replace it].

[Zeldor]

Here is map file. Check for any possible mistakes. If you run test game make sure to hand-select 3 water nations, otherwise it may want to place more than 15 land nations and ignore special starting locations.

It's just renamed .map file, it's not compressed, so change extension to .map, do not unpack it.(stupid forum)

[Lingchih]

Maybe you could zip up the map and tga file, since I don't have the base Alexander map, and post it here?

[Zeldor]

Ok, I will attach it with 1st post.

[Lingchih]

Ahh, yes, the feces, urine, and vomit colored map. I remember it now. I deleted it because it made me ill. You should really lay off those colors Pasha.

Nevertheless, a map is a map, and this one seems fine. Ran through two years with it, and saw no problems. It should be a good, though probably a long game.

Pasha: I know it was an early map... but if you need brown, used a light brown tinged with grey. If you need gold, use golden, not yellow. If you need green, use the bright green of a new spring, or the deep green of an ancient forest.

Meh, just my two cents. It's a map, and I can play it.

[Zeldor]

You can always run .tga through some filter in GIMP or photoshop :)

[Quitti]

Actually, not a bad idea. The bright colors sometimes annoy me too even though the maps are well made.

[Lingchih]

I was probably a bit harsh on the map. Sorry Pasha. I've definitely seen worse, and this one does seem good and playable.

[Maerlande]

Where are those pretenders? Want me to make some for you guys? ;)

[namad]

sorry i took so long to submit i figured hey as long as others haven't submitted yet either i'm not holding up the game... but then so much time passed that i realized... hey wait... what if the other guy is using this same theory! then i submitted it :)

[Lingchih]

You should probably just start it, Zeldor. If it's evilhomer still out... well, evilhomer tends to disappear for long stretches at times.

[vfb]

- patrolling with immobile commanders allowed [minor bug]

Why do you think that's a bug? I think it's intentional, since the immobile Watcher unit gets a patrol bonus.

[Tarrax]

I also don't think this is a bug. After all, don't immobile pretenders have movement (albeit little) in combat? That means they can move within province which is what patrolling is.


- patrolling with immobile commanders allowed [minor bug]

Why do you think that's a bug? I think it's intentional, since the immobile Watcher unit gets a patrol bonus.

[Quitti]

Well, I'd surely like to see a sphinx waltzing around a province...

[Folket]

Perhaps provinces are no bigger that what you see on the battle map.

[vfb]

Well, I'd surely like to see a sphinx waltzing around a province...

Me too!

But no waltzing is required. The Sphinx just stares across the land with his unblinking eyes, daring all enemies to hit him for 75 turns, at which point they give up and go away, or vanish in a puff of logic and dead batteries.

[Zeldor]

They don't have that order available, it's disabled. You can set them to patrol only with shortcut.

[namad]

maybe the bug is that the order isn't more easily available? not that they can do it at all?

[Zeldor]

It's Christmas, so I will try to start the game at 27th. I have asked someone if he could not play if evilhomer does not show up.

[vfb]

Well, if EH does not show up, and you don't get another alternate, I'd be happy to take Machaka.

[vfb]

Zeldor has given me the secret signal, so ...

Rising high over the Savanna of Utopia, the colossal giant wanders mindlessly. The tribesmen shout, "La-la-la-la-la-la" in adoration, and prostrate themselves before it. And jellied tribesman muddy the the parched land, for the Machakan pretender does not hear their prayers, and they are crushed beneath his weight.

[Zeldor]

Ok, let's get it going. Relaxed hosting schedule till like 3-4th January. So just ask for extensions and all will be granted.

[namad]

I'm not complaining about this game, but for future references for games with these zany settings... expansion rate will be surprisingly very strongly tied to how early and how adjacent the availability of "recruitable indie commanders" is....

as such i think starting with 3provinces is a mistake for settings like these, because randomly players will be given the opportunity to recruit 2commanders on turn1 or only 1... this can be a big bonus considering the earliest someone without that 2nd recruitable commander can expect to get him online is turn3/4 ... that means an extra 2-3 commanders early in the game with which to provide additional leadership for expansion armies/reinforcement lines...


if we all started with 1province... it wouldn't be a matter of randomfactor it would be mostly skill... the skill to decide which adjacent province is most likely to have a recruitable indie commander instead of knights or shamans

[Zeldor]

If that game proves to be fun and we want a remake, I think we will go with NI version of the map. I did not notice that problem really, I was rather thinking in categories of getting recruitable commanders for fort constructions.

[namad]

i mean fort construction is great... and forts started on turn2 are brokenly stupid...


it's just that fort builders are slightly more common than leaders... and if you start a fort one turn late it doesn't cost you 5provinces the way starting an army one turn late can... so yeah...


we're both right... and we both didn't know what the other guy was thinking... but our ideas COMBINE to form a super idea... as we discussed on irc

[Squirrelloid]

NI hurts some nations more than others.

Especially with aquatic nations, lack of independents makes invading the land *really* hard as opposed to just hard, because your only troops come from the ocean, or if you're lucky, the coast.

Nations without archers can also suffer relative to nations with archers.

Anyway, welcome to turn 2, i just got back from christmas with family. (ugg, fricking late planes).

[Folket]

Seems like I have to go away for three days.

[Quitti]

I'll be gone from 31st to 3rd too, so I would like to request a postponement for that period.

[Zeldor]

Sure, no problem.

[Zeldor]

I will add 24h to next [7] turn, as requested by Tarrax.

[Zeldor]

Anyone has any N gems for sale? I have F, maybe smth else too :)

[namad]

WTB const2 items


please pm me if you want to sell (specifics discussed via pm)

[Zeldor]

Huh, there are no sites, commanders etc preplaced on the map. I had only Circle Master and Conjurers to fight it. Indies8 give some fun battles apparently.

[namad]

want to trade for a few nature gems! please pm me

[namad]

want to buy dwarf hammers when available!

[Tarrax]

I will also be interested in buying dwarf hammers. I'd pay N, W, D, F gems or gold.

[vfb]

The Colossal Moose has ordered that the unauthorised temple Marignon built on our border be destroyed!

Such ramant temple-building to false gods, so close to our sacred spider home, will not be allowed. Especially when they are ensconed within nasty fortifications, surrounded by a great horde of PD, threatening the integrity of our spider borders.

-- Machaka

[Zeldor]

Shinuyama is willing to forge and sell dwarven hammers in near future, so PM me with offers. S/D/N gems preferred.

[Quitti]

Ulm will also forge hammers, once we can get our first researchers recruited! Living in drain 3 can be hard on thinking, not too many apt mages volunteering for work..

In other words, We'll be giving discount for hammers, once I get some research going. Payment expected in E/S, or as agreed in private conversations with our trade ministers secretary, Ivan von Alemanya.

- Boris, the Trade minister, Head of Industry in Ulm.

[Baalz]

The empire is set upon by what appears to be a dastardly alliance. The emperor has decreed that any with a sense of fair play who step forward to aid us will be rewarded lavishly. The forge lord of Ermor will not forget the allies who came to us in our hour of need.

Ulm and Shinuyama attack in a coordinated strike seeking to overwhelm the empire. They will bleed heinously as they attempt to storm our castles, but they are likely to be successful in keeping the empire from launching a counterattack if the imbalance of forces remains. Any who attack along either of these foul conspiritors' other flanks will find them fully committed to attacking an entrenched and intractable foe who bleeds them mercilessly and will give no quarter. Are there any with a sense of fair play who will step forward? Are there any of a more mercantile bend who would court the favor of the forge lord? The situation in Ermor is far from dire if an ally steps forward now, the forge lord's favor could be valuable indeed. The cry goes out, who will answer?

[Baalz]

The goblonoid tribes massed in the wilderness. Barbarian rituals around roaring bonfires they asked for the blessings of their huge fat godling. They screamed for blood and slavered over the lands of the empire. As the legion assembled to crush them like all barbarians before, a knife in the back. The fools in Ulm had allied themselves with the beasts in an attempt to topple the great empire. A daunting host assembled across the border – huge goblins with their mighty bows to the north and thundering corps of black knights leading archers to the south. The time for talking was past, Ermors enemies feared it too much to leave a fair fight. The time for killing was here and it was time to demonstrate why the Ermorian empire was feared from horizon to horizon. Fair fights are for the weak, the legion marched and woe to its foes if they fail to find a killing blow.

[Trumanator]

It was a dark time for Marignon. The voodoo ritualists and spider worshipers of Machaka had struck without warning, and with devastating result. This might be the final battle. Crossbowmen shouldered their weapons and the Knights of the Chalice prayed with all their hearts.

The day of battle. As they looked upon the opposing army, with its swarms of archers and masses of grotesque and monstrous spiders, all hope seemed lost. The Grand Inquisitors prepared the knights however, and the crossbows loosed their bolts. They inflicted grievous damage, but the arrows of machaka fell among themselves as well, cutting them down like wheat before the scythe.

As the spiders reached the lines of knights however, it was as if they met a brick wall. Their riders stabbed with lances, and their mounts tried the same with their fangs. The Knights were tireless however, and plied lance and sword to deadly effect, striking down spider, rider, or hoplite for the Lord. The crossbows fled, but the knights remained. Some fell, but many remained, and finally their foes tired, and fled.

The Grand Inquisitor Tomaso surveyed the ravaged field, and breathed a heavy sigh as he contemplated the next battle.

[Baalz]

The goblonoid tribes massed in the wilderness. Barbarian rituals around roaring bonfires they asked for the blessings of their huge fat godling. They screamed for blood and slavered over the lands of the empire. As the legion assembled to crush them like all barbarians before, a knife in the back. The fools in Ulm had allied themselves with the beasts in an attempt to topple the great empire. A daunting host assembled across the border – huge goblins with their mighty bows to the north and thundering corps of black knights leading archers to the south. The time for talking was past, Ermors enemies feared it too much to leave a fair fight. The time for killing was here and it was time to demonstrate why the Ermorian empire was feared from horizon to horizon. Fair fights are for the weak, the legion marched and woe to its foes if they fail to find a killing blow.

[vfb]

Struck without warning!? What are your priests doing in your cathedrals? Singing hymns and chasing the nuns? What did you think we meant by our proclamation that "the unauthorised temple Marignon built on our border will be destroyed"?

We do admit that we vastly underestimated the strength our your knights. But our spiders revel in the glory of battle, and our riders have no fear of death, for they know thier spirit lives on in their eight-legged companion. Our departure from the battlefield was, er ... um ... a fearless charge into the face of the enemy, except we went the wrong way by mistake.

Death before Surrender!

-- Machaka

[Squirrelloid]

Ux'xthllphlai contemplated the pool of dark liquid in the bowl before [it], heavier than the surrounding sea water. It swirled erratically. The glowing corals in the room pulsing along with its movements, creating the effect of a strobe light triggered by the movements of a rabbit in a sealed plastic bag. Suddenly the behavior of the liquid changed. It eddied into dimensions other than the physical. The bowl deformed, becoming a klein bottle; similar to the proverbial cat in a box, it both contained and didn't contain the universe. When the universe was in the bottle, it had no volume. There was no in the bottle. Ux'xthllphlai looked out of the bottle at [itself] looking at [itself]. Colors out of space and shapes out of time paraded in the nothingness that may or may not have been contained by the bottle with no volume. An electron traveled forward in time, and when time ended, it became a positron and traveled backward in time. Ux'xthllphlai became the bottle, and suddenly the path became clear.

Hours later, Ux'xthllphlai regained consciousness. The corals glowed but dimly, a low constant light. The bowl was once again a bowl, empty of anything except the usual sea water. Righting itself, Ux'xthllphlai went to find the council. [It] had seen what [it] needed to see, the things with the fish tails would soon understand that the falling of the star was to be their doom.

*translators note: [it] denotes a genderless pronoun that nonetheless is distinct from the pronoun used for objects, and specifies a member of the elder peoples who remember the time before the star fell.

[Zeldor]

Shinuayama is land of peace and prosperity. Our leaders, from smallest province to our glorious capital city, care for order and harmonious growth. Our hearts are filled with love for all that lives. So when we started to hear scary rumours from refugees, coming into our southern provinces from Ermor, we could not ignore them. Those were tales of extreme cruelty, death, satanistic rituals, practicing forbidden arts on defenseless citizens. Each day there were more and more of those tales, as refugees kept coming, asking for shelter and help for their families. We could not sit and watch someone build empire on pain and cruelty. Shinuyama decided to come and bring aid to enslaved people, living under Ermor oppression!

[Quitti]

Albrecht von Alemanya surveyed the battlefield. Dying and dead men, both Ermorian and Ulmish. Slaughered horses, translucent scantily clad girls with shadowy spears, struck down and maimed by the antimagic theurgy of black halberds. Black knights, armor and horse barding pierced by ermorian javelins. Crushed skeletal horses and horsemen, crossbow bolts sticking up from the field the feet of the two armies had ground to something resembling more mud than hard earth, soggy with blood. The smell of blood was overwhelming.

Yes. It had been a good fight. A hard victory. Though only a handful of forces remained, they had reached the sea, and messages told that reinforcements were on the way.

Later that night, at the temple of the false Ermorian god, one attempting to usurp the title of the Lord of Forges. Barrels after barrels of rich mineral oil was called up from the deeps by the remaining master smiths. Bodies of the killed Ermorian Hastati, wrapped in plain cloth, wet from the oil, filled the temple. They had to be burned to ashes with the temple, or the ermorian priests would surely practice their unholy magic upon them, reanimating the poor and misled, though well trained soldiers.

Albrecht conjured up a bolt of flame and threw it inside the temple of the false god.

[Zeldor]

BTW, I will be changing hosting to 36h around turn20 [on Friday], as there are some wars starting :)

[Agent Smith]

Times have been hard in the land of Marignon, war ravages the frontlines, the fires of many battles glow in the distance from the Capital. The people of Marignon look to the future uneasily. These will be no easy times for this nation, the hordes are at the gates. In the nations hour of greatest need, the ruler, Trumanator was incapacitated to add to this nations troubles. The situation is grim ..... a noob, Agent Smith has taken over .......

[Quitti]

Notification to the nations of the land of Utopia! The rightful Lord of the Forges, Hermann von Alemanya has decreed that Dwarven hammers are now available to the other nations, for a price. We accept earth gems or astral pearls (in limited quantities!) as payment. Current pricetag is at 14 gems. PM us if you wish to buy our superior wares, or to negotiate another agreement. Hammers are served on first-come-first-served basis.


Thought of the day: Faith is the sturdiest armour. Hatred the surest weapon.

- Ulm, Ministry of Industry. Official pamphlet sent to anyone concerned.

[namad]

wtt fire/air/water gems for earth gems pst


also ... WTB earth boots x1

[vfb]

Long did the goblins whisper their sweet promises into the ears of the spiders, seeking to seduce them with offers of vast riches. Silly goblins! We spiders do not seek riches, we are just interested in snacks!

We will taste a small sampling of goblin snacks this month.

[namad]

WTB: skull staff x1, WTB: earth boots x1


paying in gems: fire, air, water, or pearls

(looking to acquire earth gems/death)

[Lingchih]

The Nation of Man declares war upon the failed state of Abysia.

[kianduatha]

Failed? Abysia is anything but failed. Hordes upon hordes of elephants have filed in from the far reaches of Arcosephale, but they have been beaten back. Perhaps the treacherous Man-kin have conspired against Abysia because they have not had the opportunity to assist in ridding the world of lizards? Despite this most recent betrayal, the lava-people will fight on, and beat back this incursion just like the last.

[namad]

want to trade FIRE, AIR, WATER gems

for EARTH, DEATH, ASTRAL gems







1:1 small or large quantities


please PM me

P.S. I still need previous listed items

[namad]

LAST TURN MY LAB IN CAPITAL BURNS THIS TURN MY TEMPLE BURNS?!?!

i guess i'm being punished for doing so well :)

[lebarjack]

It seems I just had a stale turn.
Wasn't the timing being slowed starting friday?

[Zeldor]

Around friday. Sorry, I tried to postpone, but I was 1-2 minutes too late and it did not process.

[Gregstrom]

LAST TURN MY LAB IN CAPITAL BURNS THIS TURN MY TEMPLE BURNS?!?!

i guess i'm being punished for doing so well :)

Is that all? I'll see your property destruction and raise you one Ancient Presence. In my capital. With Luck 1.

[Maerlande]

Yes. We, Zuleyka, were required to squash the vine invasion. The potential for that disease to spread is great and must not be allowed. Sadly, a few Agarthan troops happened to also die to collateral damage.

[Gregstrom]

Oh yes - I forgot to mention the invasion of rabid monkeys.

It would appear that their method of sieging is to fling poo at a fort's walls until there's enough piled up to make a ramp. This probably explains their love of elephants, come to think of it...

[Maerlande]

That poo is freeze dried and hard as bricks. Very much like sling stones! Especially when thrown by big gorillas. Some of it is tiger poop which is sacred and can be blessed.

The white poop is especially effective as it carries rabies. All have been trained to through it at the eyes of one eyed mutants.

[Gregstrom]

But now the poop is in the other sock, hmm?

You shouldn't have moved those elephants out... now Pythium gets a chance at my cap.

[Maerlande]

Yes, poop alone is clearly not sufficient. Congratulations. Fine fight there.

[vfb]

A rogue faction of Spider Warriors has stolen Machaka's treasured Sceptre of Fire! They were last seen sneaking out of the South Castle. We will chase these traitors to the end of the earth, to recover our relic. Let none stand in our way. Our Hunters ride south!

-- Machaka

[Quitti]

The Master Smiths of Ulm assume you mean a 'Sceptre of Authority' which is more commonly known as a sceptre of fire. We can offer you one for a small price of 4 fire or earth gems! Get yours while they last! Offer also available to others!

[namad]

Have these:

fire, air, water gems, and construction to forge things pythium is likely to forge


Want these: earth, pearl, nature, death gems





let's make a deal! please pm me

[Zeldor]

I can consider selling some D for A, 1:2.

[namad]

WantToBuy: skull of fire, robe of magi


willing to discuss them in terms of sometime in the future...


also is anyone selling blood yet? also what do we think blood will be worth in these odd settings?

[Gregstrom]

Have: 2 provinces

WTB: lots of dead monkeys.

Any offers?

[Tarrax]

I want to buy earth gems. I can pay in nature gems on a 1 to 1 basis.

[Maerlande]

I don't think any one besides me will sell dead monkeys. I could sell them for E gems.

[Zeldor]

Shinuyama is doing year-end sale. Currently our special offer includes:

- frost brands
- fire brands
- rune smashers
- thistle maces
- hero's blades
- skull staves
- golden shields
- charcoal shields
- robes of the sea

Payment preferred in E/S/D/N/A gems. Prices and availability depends on type of gems.

[namad]

uh...i can sell half of those items as well as another list of awesome items not previously listed!

god damnit someone ****ing buy some boosters or gear from me!

[namad]

trading fire or water gems at 15:10 ratio for ESDN gems



also interested in virtually all my previous suggested trades! (don't need earth boots or skull staff anymore)

[slMagnvox]

Hail Lords of Utopia!

The Noble T'ien Ch'i are beset by implacable foes. Both the Vanheim and the Shinuyama under the flag of an war alliance. Both reach beyond their means and have become over powered, both assault the sovereignty of T'ien Ch'i and both commit significant resources in their campaigns.

Surely there are those amongst the lands of Utopia that seek, like the T'ien Ch'i, to preserve its namesake, to maintain a balance of powers. If those among you are prepared, put an end to their ambitious imperialism and claim their over-extended empire's for your own. You can of course expect the T'ien Ch'i to offer its cooperation and our nation is not without its share of friends already.

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/2579/graphsx.th.png (http://img684.imageshack.us/i/graphsx.png/)

Address all commitments, comments and concerns to your local T'ien Ch'i embassy or trade minister. Via PM of course.


Good Fortune,
The Empress - T'ien Chi

[namad]

in case its not clear i have const6 and i'd like to sell things like RoS, RoW, winged helm...etc... please pm



also still looking to trade away fire or water gems at bargin rates!!!

fire or water at 1.5:1 for earth, astral, nature or death

[Zeldor]

slMagnvox:

That was great battle, I was lucky to win it. But still, most of your mages survived and are going to haunt me...

[slMagnvox]

slMagnvox:

That was great battle, I was lucky to win it. But still, most of your mages survived and are going to haunt me...

Phew! Yeah! It was a good one. I clicked straight to View Battle before seeing the map or the results. I thought I would have had it if I could've brought more evocations, or more glaives. Those mages made it out alive and I hope to do some haunting, but your host is somewhat haunt resistant, as it were.

My mages v. Vanheim were not so lucky. Their horde on my opposite flank is an entirely different beast than yours but near as deadly. Back to the drawing board!

[Zeldor]

Shinuyama has surely better offerings on all cool gear, even items Pythium cannot forge [and we offer better customer service and clear conscience - you won't be supporting the most powerful nation].

Weekly special - Skull of Fire.

Check also great prices on other wonderful items, including moonvine bracelets, robes of the sea, flame helmets, skullfaces. Apply for Frequent Buyer program and start collecting programs and win prizes!

[Gregstrom]

Want to sell: Lots of dead monkeys.

Any offers will be put to good use :D

NB: This is a high risk investment.

[namad]

i am requesting a 12h delay on turn 26.

[Squirrelloid]

Rlyeh realizes its a star-crossed nation, but we will inflict upon Oceania such pain for the indignities we have suffered. 300 dead Ichthycentaurs and Myrmidons will not assuage our thirst for blood. We will make the black sea a pool of blood and ichor, and cause them to regret ever having come against us.

[Gregstrom]

Goatblower, deity of the Agarthans, surveyed his people. They huddled in one corner of the Great Square, made nervous by the capital's terrible emptiness. They were all dressed like princes now, even the humans. Their finery had been earned the hard way, and many of them still had the wounds to show it. He addressed his people.

"Agarthans. The ape-lords of Bandar Log will remember this day forever in their nightmares. Their archers, their tigers - even their elephants could not break our lines. Those few who passed through our gates fell before they had the time to see more than the blades that ended their lives. They may break our walls, but our will is unbroken. Agertha stands!"

The crowd's answering roar of "AGARTHA STANDS!" was loud, but it was quickly lost in the cavernous darkness of the empty capital. The grinding as the statues lining the square raised their swords in salute echoed back as little more than a faint, rattling exhalation.

[Gregstrom]

For sale: animal hide rugs, umbrella stands. Large amounts of greyish leather, newly tanned. White fur suitable for lining robes etc. Near unlimited supplies of all the above can be made available. Any reasonable offers accepted.

[namad]

new improved prices!!!

fire to nature/death 1.8:1
water to nature/death 1.8:1
air to nature/death 1.3:1


fire or water to astral 1.5:1
air to astral 1:1
fire or water to earth 1.5:1



selling const2,5,6 items...


please pm me to negotiate i really need to unload my fire water air gems!!!



also i'm having an airport layover tryign to do my turn here.. heh


also interesting in paying FAW type gems for dhammers also looking to buy boosters that i can make myself at good prices in faw or boosters i can't make myself at less reasonable prices

also interesting in considering paying gold for gems if anyone has any offers of that sort...

[vfb]

Machaka grows jealous of the obvious richness flaunted by the Pythian legions, as all we can find in these so-called "rich mountains" of our are rocks and dirt. We hereby cancel our NAP-3 with the nation of Pythium! Better lock up your jewels. We've laid our spider eggs in your cupboards, under your rugs, and in your toilets. In three months they hatch!

[Zeldor]

12h added on Vanheim's request. I may switch to 48h soon if few peopel request it.

[LoloMo]

Rocks and Dirt?!?! Jotuns have Rocks and Dirt! We wish to trade our Rocks and Dirt for Legendary Pytium Gems at 1.5 to 1! Our Hirdmen will each be carrying a dozen sacks each to deposit them inside Pytium Vaults. We hereby cancel our NAP-3 with Pythium. Our Rocks and Dirt should arrive in 3 month's time.

[Maerlande]

We, Zuleyka of Bandar Log, hereby cancel our NAP with Arcosephale. We may or may not attack on turn 30 as we reserve the right to be fickle. We are monkeys of course, and planning is not our nature.

[vfb]

Deep inside Chaos Mountain, Utoombo Moosman, supreme commander of the Machakan forces, sits in his comfy chair and dictates to his owl quill.

"Dear Friend, I wish to approach you with a request that would be of immense benefit to both of us. I am approaching you in the strictest confidentiality, cross my heart, hope to die. I am a son of the late MR SMITH of Marignon and I to make some fortune out of a situation that I am obviously left with no other better option. My father was brutally eaten by spiders in the Machakan wars..."

Soldiers burst through the study door, spear tips glinting in the dimly lit room. They are led by Captain Muddok, but that's hard to tell, since he's just another naked guy with a spear.

"Gah!" Utoombo says. "Fools! Here I am at work, trying to improve the finances of our impoverished nation, and you disturb me? Do you want to get paid this month, or not?"

The soldiers snicker, and Captain Muddok says, "Well, see, Pythium heard of our war plans, and in a stroke of diplomatic genius, has paid us off! We don't work for you any more, we've been bribed, he's greased our palms, paid us out, the old pot-de-vin."

Utoombo fades three shades. "The spiders! Without a war to pursue, they will grow hungry and eat us all. You idiots!"

Captain Muddok says, "Oh, there's no need to worry about that. We've set 'em loose on the goblins. Say, that's a nice chair!"

More colour drains from Utoombo's face, and he leaps for the door. He's got no chance of escape, though, and his screams are shrill in the small room as Muddok and his soldiers enforce a quick change in leadership.

Deep inside Chaos Mountain, Muddok Wildermoos, supreme commander of the Machakan forces, sits in his new comfy chair and continues the dictation.

"... but before he died, Collosal Moose be praised, he named me his sole heir and beneficiary. But according to the law my father's fortune of ONE MILLION FIRE GEMS must remain in the country unless there is a foreign relative of MR SMITH who also can claim ..."

[Lingchih]

My, my, the wartime confrontations are really heating up. I doubt I can get enough Bards out to keep track of it all.

[vfb]

ooc clarification:

Okay, turns out some people have no idea at all what's going on in Chaos Mountain. This may be some sort of generational thing. :P All the spam now is just selling viagra or something. Does this help? For example?

http://potifos.com/fraud/2004-01-31.html

[namad]

want to trade for death gems or astral gems!


want to sell const2,4,6 items! able to forge most items dhammers, row/ros, both brands, all three popular shields...etc..etc...

[namad]

just curious do we have a set turn on which we'll move to 48h? things are getting a bit rough on me complicatednesswise now

[Lingchih]

48 hour will be set on turn 100

[vfb]

http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=Utopia&action=showadminlog

10:30 GMT on Thursday January 28th Hosting interval changed to 48 hours.

[Lingchih]

Jerk

[vfb]

IRC thug

[Lingchih]

Meanie

[Quitti]

Shut it, both of you!

[namad]

trading water gems for air or earth or astral or death or nature gems!

[Gregstrom]

The tiny Free Democratic Republic of Agartha lies caught between a military dictatorship and an extremely large banana republic. We are politically neutral, and can supply a range of forged items to the discerning customer.

[namad]

selling RoW!!! new higher prices!!!!

[Lingchih]

Ahh, Abysia makes a last attempt at staying alive. By coming back on Man. Probably foolish, but we all commend bravery.

[namad]

WTB: jade armor

[Zeldor]

Shinu still has almost everything for sale! Great prices!

[Lingchih]

Good game Abysia. What happened to your last army at the end? They seemed to me to vanish into thin air.

[kianduatha]

Yeah, it actually did vanish into thin air. I went to siege Oceania's castle, and that isn't good enough to keep alive apparently.

I did achieve my end goal, though, making sure that Arcosephale didn't actually profit at all from attacking me. Nice job on the double cross, by the way. It probably would've been worth your while to make me into a protectorate instead of straight out conquering. That way you could've gotten my (fairly massive) gem reserves. Now you'll have to guess who got them!

[Tollund]

I think, you may remember, that you invaded Babylon first, and I warned you on that very turn that I was going to invade over that, so really, you attacked me first.

[kianduatha]

Of course I liberated the noble province of Babylon first. But then I told you that it wouldn't be worth your while to attack me back :)

[Tollund]

Oh I'm not disagreeing. I just wanted to set the record straight. And make invading me as painful as possible for anyone who wants to try it.

[Lingchih]

Yeah, it actually did vanish into thin air. I went to siege Oceania's castle, and that isn't good enough to keep alive apparently.

I did achieve my end goal, though, making sure that Arcosephale didn't actually profit at all from attacking me. Nice job on the double cross, by the way. It probably would've been worth your while to make me into a protectorate instead of straight out conquering. That way you could've gotten my (fairly massive) gem reserves. Now you'll have to guess who got them!

Just playing keep up. There's some big, heavy hitters in this game, and if I wanted to keep up with them, I needed land, money, gems and castles. Making you a protectorate would not have achieved that. There was no malice in my actions. Your lands were lightly defended, and you were at war on a different front.

[namad]

protectorates do not work well in dom3.... you cannot combine troops and you cannot combine research...


in civilization 4 you can both combine troops and combine research... so that's a bit different

[Tollund]

I've had one work very well in Dom2 between Pan and Abysia. Abysia supplied fire gems and Pan turned them into fever fetishes. But that's not something that's going to occur in this game obviously.

[namad]

want to trade for earth gems!

can trade away fire, water, air, or astral at 1:1


also willing to trade water gems away at 1:1 for fire,air,earth,astral,death, or nature!!


OR!!

better yet loan me some gate cleavers! charge me a rental fee, and get them back later!

[vfb]

Machaka was disappointed that only a couple goblins showed up for battle this month. Just a couple of suicide bombers, set to detonate giant earthquakes.

Our borders are flush with hordes of goblin warriors, but do they fear our awesome spidey powers? What has stalled their advance? Were they waiting for the Atlantians to open a third front? Quake in fear of the Machakan awesomeness, timid goblins!

[Zeldor]

I have added 6h to the timer, as I'm not sure I'll be able to complete it on time.

[vfb]

The spiders thank the goblins of Shin for braving our defenses and launching a full frontal assualt, which was not nearly as successful as their back door assault on our read, but was extremely entertaining nonetheless.

Have to admit, the Collosal Moose was a bit of a let-down in battle.

[namad]

trample is kinda funny.... its often weaker than a brand :(

it can depend

[namad]

is it an exploit to make an agreement with a neighbor in which you attack their pd and cast charm/hellbindheart/enslavemind and then retreat ... allowing the pd to refresh between turns... repeating it everyturn to generate "free" units?

[Zeldor]

Huh, how? What do you mean by refreshing PD?

[Frozen Lama]

sounds like a waste of mage time to me

[Folket]

How would you be able to survive with the units you enslave without defeating the defence?

[Zeldor]

PD troops that are enslaved vanish after battle anyway, like Horrors.

[Quitti]

There's really no PD in game to which that would be worth the mage time to do that anyway, even if they didn't vanish. Perhaps Hinnom's PD at pd125 & some hugely penetrating master enslave spam or something would work.

[namad]

want to trade for death gems please pm me to negotiate

[LoloMo]

I would like to request for a 24 hour delay. I probably won't need the whole 24 hours. Thanks!

[Zeldor]

Sure, no problem. Kill Pythium! :)

[slMagnvox]

Good game, folks!

[Agent Smith]

Being very very nearly dead myself, I would like to say that this was a good game as well. And slMagnvox, you definitley had me scared as I took over and your hordes were everywhere!

:D

[LoloMo]

The once mighty nation of Jotunheim are no more. The Frost Giants surrender to the Powerful Pythium Empire. We ask for equal treatment for our citizens and we offer up our treasures in exchange for eternal salvation for our souls.

Congratulations to Pythium for keeping me alone in this overmatched fight through excellent diplomacy with his neighbors.

Pangaea, since you have previously struck a deal with Pythium over the disposition of my lands, I will leave to pythium to conclude his deal with you. I will continue to defend any provinces I have left against poachers. Long live the Mighty Pythium Empire!

[Frozen Lama]

Honestly, i think the #1 reason why you didn't get any help was that nasty global that Oceania put up turned all the attention that way.

[LoloMo]

We've been fighting for a dozen turns already. I doubt anything would have changed even if Oceania didn't cast NB. After all, there are still several small easy to take nations around.

[vfb]

I resemble that remark!

[Folket]

Nasty? I'm peace loving and that is the reason I cast this global.

[namad]

I have already alchemy'd water into pearls this game... I am going to do it again... and again... would anyone like to trade for my water gems? some sort of deal that is better for both of us?


pm me with offers or haggle with me on irc

[Quitti]

The peace loving Oceania and their murderous and bloodthirsty centaurs? I think not! The nation of Ulm offers substantial price reducements to anyone who succeeds in making a dent in oceanias assets, be it underwater or above water, or in the fields of global spells. Contact me with PM or on IRC for closer details!

You people have checked the army graphs lately, have you? Oceania is getting 24731 income this turn, and he has the biggest army backed up by mass regen + mass prot + relief + whatnot. Just to point out some numbers here.

[namad]

trading fire, water, air , earth gems at a ratio of 3:2 for astral or death or nature gems



pm me or reach me on irc to haggle or pin down details

[Lingchih]

Nice. Astral Corruption... haven't seen that in a while. Probably because it is banned in almost every civilized game. I do see though, that it was not banned here.

Ah well, Machaka just declared war on the world. Let's make this quick folks.

[vfb]

The lords of Chaos Mountain know not of these "games" you speak of. But this "banning" does sound like a good idea.

We hereby proclaim that the goblins are banned from entering the Machakan Capitol, on pain of death!

-- Colossal Moose

[vfb]

Machaka welcomes our new goblin overlords. All hail the Goblin King!

[namad]

btw stone spheres and the like...

they definitely DO ATTRACT horrors under AC :(

[Lingchih]

Got a Doom Horror this time, the Slave to Unreason, along with a few more lesser horrors. I had set up my bodyguards quite well to deal with the lessers, but, um, not so much against the Doom Horror.

Ah well, AC is gone for now at least.

[vfb]

Well, if you'd like AC to come back up, you'll need to start collecting some slaves. Machaka is not long for this world!

[Folket]

What a battle. Seems like it never ends.

[Zeldor]

Shinuyama will be S and B gems. Good prices!

[namad]

WTB: mage(s) that can cast rain of toads or send lesser horror

[namad]

do we need to switch to a 60hour hosting schedule? that's how long all the turns have been anyways... or would switching to a 60hour schedule just end up making all the turns 72h :-p ?

[Lingchih]

Yeah, what Namad said. A longer hosting schedule is needed.

[namad]

i'm not sure i want to go to 72h... going to 72h often kills a game


a compromise might work or... or we just keep granting extremely liberal delays but 'trying' to go as fast as we can


i don't really care either way i just think it's funny that we're operating on a defacto minor delay granted every turn

[Frozen Lama]

Well i think a couple stales will help solve the problem. Since most of the time, no one has actually asked for an extension, they are just lucky that Zeldor is so forgiving. how about not giving delays unless they are asked for and see if people clean up their act? if people who are always late then ask for more time, we can maybe extend. but i think some of them are just being lazy since they know Zeldor won't stale them.

oh, and i am against 72h also. i lose intrest when its that slow

[Zeldor]

Yeah, I will grant delays like asked [like now].

I am against increasing hosting schedule. I prefer to simply add some time whenever someone asks for it. You have 48h to ask for it.

[Zeldor]

It looks like it got stuck on hosting Utopia. I hope it sends turns out soon :)

[Zeldor]

Ok, I have moved hosting to 60h, as some big wars are starting :)

[Maerlande]

Oh?? :)

[Folket]

Seems like real life step on top of me. Could we delay the hosting 12 hours?

[Zeldor]

Sure, added.

[Folket]

Thanks, I did not really expect you to see it in time. =)

[Zeldor]

I have postponed the turn for myself, as I won't be able to finish it before night.

[Lingchih]

60 hour turns. And now you need a delay? You should really get your act together Zeldor. This is becoming tiresome.

[Quitti]

At least my turns don't take that long to do anymore...

[namad]

if you found 60hour turns tiresome you certainly didn't choose correctly :-p

we might as well just go to 72h i reckon

[Zeldor]

It is done then, hosting is 72h. As we have Easter now, I am willing to grant extensions. But I hope we won't need any postponements after Easter.

BTW, as there appeared many Utopia clones after we started this one, I don't think I will be doing next version so soon, I think next game will be Madness 2 [WoG Remake map, 24 players, MA + LA, 150% settings, diff research].

[namad]

i wish i had joined dystopia


i've just realized that rich games are really fun and exciting but require 10000000times the work...


i think for a rich game to be perfect it might want to limit itself to... say... 80-150provs and 12-20players

[Zeldor]

Well, if I'd make another one, it'd be on Greece Stain, so 10 provs/player.

[namad]

it's kind of sad that the number of battles that will be happening this turn are proportional to the number of days I had to do the turn ... instead of the number of units I have :-p

I suppose though if I were more gung ho about things I could put in more than 1-2hours a day... it's just that 2hours a day max has always been plenty for dom3 for me in the past (even if I was in 2or3 games... yet utopia alone as my only game takes so much more than that that I just do half of what I'd planned don't bother to check my work and email it in)


at very least zeldor knows what I am talking about as well as probably some others ... definitely I think we'll have to convert rich games into crowded games ... a really crowded really rich game sounds like it could be quite interesting... because territory would become MORE meaningful than ever before... without totally breaking down?

who knows... also... after you see how pathetically few units i've scripted you might question why it took me 6hours to do it? well... I waste a lot of time issuing retardedly pointless orders (you preach you don't preach etc) so that i'm burnt out before i finish analyzing battle orders (out of that 6hours only 30-80minutes were even prolly used on scripting units in battle locations)



honestly i think if the lab size were like 500 instead of 50 i could've completed the turn in several HOURS less time.... half my turns everyturn involve shuffling items onto and off of item storage mules this is a really big design flaw in dom3 that the designers couldn't conceive of games big enough that players would need a bigger lab... maybe they thought no one would shuffle items around???

but if my lab was like 500spots big i could start my turn go around smashing lllllllllllllll then go around and equip items on units where they were needed.... instead i have to go around checking 1000commanders for 1specific item that i can't recall where it is stored to transfer it to one other specific commander then repeat repeat repeat

now i could just place all my storage mules in a row and organize by item type... BUT that doesn't work when you are using thugs as storage mules to defend against losing your "lab" to remote attack spells


conclusion... if we don't trend towards RICH and CROWDED then
maybe a rich game that was large but had abnormally low magical settings would reduce micromanagement time and still give people absurdly large numbers of mundane units to see die? and ... normalmanage ?
because really it's gems that are a biotch to micromanage... units and squads and commanders... while that requires a lot of time to micromanage... that's the FUN part!! i mean out of the 6hours i spent on my turn... the one hour i spent specifically laying out orders to battle units was the most fun hour.... and if I could've done the boring stuff in only ONE hour I might've spent TWO hours on battles and we might've had twice as many battles or 150% as many battles scripted 150% as cleverly

[namad]

all this time wasted on annoying micromanagement....


this is why I wanted to just let everyone fight over vp's until someone was near winning then just let us all battle it all out via a complex series of never ending teleport attack wars....


would've been a lot less real life time to manage ... maybe pythium would've been uniquely qualified to perform this type of warfare? but... I'd have been perfectly willing to stay on 1vp and let everyone else have a headstart at 4,5,or 6 because more than caring about maximizing my chances to win.... I wanted to minimize the amount of real life time it would take me to win in the unlikely event that I might win :)

my play has been far too sloppy for my own tastes yet still takes more time than I'm willing to spend a tough nickel to be stuck into!

[Lingchih]

The armies of Man converge on Pythium's forces for an epic showdown. Or, will it be an epic letdown for Man? Only time will tell. But the armies of Man are brave, and ready for the fight. We will avenge our friends of Jotun.

[namad]

jotunheim had no desire to be avenged by you :-p

i have a feeling he would've rather died than waste his time submitting blank turns :-p

[Lingchih]

Hey, a blank turn takes like, a minute to do? And it's the idiom of the thing. We have to be avenging somebody :)

[Folket]

I'm having a vacation. Would it be possible to delay this turn 36 hours?

[Zeldor]

Huh, 36? That's a lot, it's 12h added already because of Easter. You are sure you need 36h more?

[Frozen Lama]

yay for 100h turns! He's just stunned by my awesome attack and needs a few weeks to figure out how to stop me. :)

[Folket]

Well, the problem is that I took my laptop with me and was going to play from it and it takes hours to see every battle and my wife being on vacation is demanding quite some time.

But to be fair I do not need any more then 12 hours. I have agreed with my wife to let her shop around by herself tomorrow morning which should give me enough time to do my turn.

[Zeldor]

I will add 24h then, if you can't do your turn, just let me know :)

[Lingchih]

Ling's turn fuse starts to burn.

[Maerlande]

Guys. Oceania requested an extension and his turn is in. But now we are waiting on Pythium and Shinuyama. Let's finish those turns. I want to play. We really shouldn't have to wait for folks who DIDN'T need extensions to do their turns.

[namad]

what spell can break a dome but leaves no message at all about what happened (besides the dome)?

[namad]

well whoever broke a dome of mine this turn... remember it... because you are the only player to break a dome of mine this turn... so after the game is over tell us because it's a mystery

[vfb]

Maybe something like VotD? Or Winged Monkeys? And there were no appropriate targets.

[Frozen Lama]

i was thinking manefestation and the angel decided to eat the caster

[vfb]

Oh, good call, it could be that too.

[namad]

I am tired of fighting shinyuma on behalf of the world. I never had any interest in doing it ever all game. No one has bribed me or paid me to fight shinyuma. I am going to stop fighting shinyuma, I imagine under these conditions he'll be able to kill me pretty fast. Feel free to try to bribe/pay/convince me to fight shinyuma. Feel free to try and grab my provinces before he can (I will however reserve the right to attack other players)

[Folket]

I think it is time to surrender to our goblin overlords. Is there anyone fighting them at the moment?

I can only congratulate Zeldor at forging such a stable alliance.

I do think I'm good at playing defensively but I will soon have a five front war that I will not be able to sustain for very long.

[Maerlande]

Let's not give up yet. I don't think the goblins have won yet. I want to think on this.

[Folket]

Do not worry. The game will not end before there is a general consensus. But I do not want to continue playing forever a game I'm not able to affect either so that is why I started this discussion.

By the way the last battle we had really shocked me.

[Maerlande]

Well yes. My mage went off script. I've been complaining and *****ing about it on IRC ever since :) Very frustrating to have my ENTIRE army go home on round 3.

[Lingchih]

Goblin overlords? Bah!. Man has no intention of giving the game to the Goblins.

[Maerlande]

Maybe we should all gank Shin?

[Zeldor]

I'm certainly against any attacks on Shinuyama.

[Quitti]

Just gank oceania first, I don't like them.

[Zeldor]

I will be out for weekend, back on Tuesday. So if everyone needs extension or smth like that - contact Maerlande, I left him the admin pass.