Stacking Luck

[shunwick]

Guys,

If I have a mage with a lucky coin and I script Personal Luck in his orders, does he get:

a) 100% luck?
b) Two 50% luck attempts per attack on him?
c) 75% luck (ie. 50% plus 50% of 50% remaining)?
d) Or has he just wasted one of them?
e) Something else?

Merry Christmas!

Steve

[Folket]

Luck does not stack.

[shunwick]

So that's d then. Many Thanks.

[FAJ]

AFAIK, He won't cast personal luck at all. He will choose a different spell, or whatever is next in his list of orders.

[Dimaz]

If he already has luck from other source he won't cast Personal Luck at all.

[Sombre]

Since no-one else is willing to answer your simple question, I will.

Luck doesn't stack and in fact with the shield granting it he won't even cast Personal Luck at all!

[Viajero]

I would even say more: luck does not stack and he wont cast it if he has it already.

[Quitti]

I vote for D! Do I get the prize?

[Sombre]

I would even say more: luck does not stack and he wont cast it if he has it already.

He's clearly a new player, it's counterproductive to cloud the issue with veteran's slang.

The fact of the matter is that you can't cast luck when luck has already been granted and even if you could, it wouldn't do anything.

[Kheldron]

I'm a bit surprised by those answers.
I was fairly convinced that he wouldn't cast it he already had luck.
...
Was I wrong?

[Folket]

You are correct.

If you have luck you are not able to cast luck on yourself.

[llamabeast]

This is strangely entertaining. :)

[FAJ]

A commander with 2 or more items that provide luck will not recieve a greater benefit.

[vfb]

Oh, but let's not forget, you can cast Luck if the caster is in the same square as a unit without any luck, even if the caster already has luck. Will the four-leaf clover on the caster then turn into a magical rainbow easter egg? Sadly, no.

[Burnsaber]

I'm confused, does luck stack or not?

:P

[Sombre]

To reiterate - it DOES stack. Casting luck over a luck granting item gives you a 100% chance of avoiding any incoming damage.

NOT a 50% chance then a 50% chance as some people are saying.

[FAJ]

Casting luck 4 times will ensure that your twiceborn self will have 100% luck as well.

[Sombre]

That's true, but keep in mind twiceborn is damage based, so is quite likely (100%) to be negated by your double luck (or irish luck as it is listed in the manual).

[vfb]

Does your 100% luck go away if you got half of it from Faithful, but a malicious random event causes your arms to fall off in the middle of a battle? I'm thinking I might need to add a pendant too, just in case.

[FAJ]

Better wear two

[Sombre]

:rolleyes:

I see we're back to spreading misinformation huh?

If you have 100% luck when you roll on the limb loss table the worst that can happen is you lose a ponytail. Admittedly that's a problem if you're using the halfling mod that adds pony riders.

[Kheldron]

That might be off topic but
What happens if I script curse against an already cursed unit?
It won't work, just the same.
But.
What happens if I cast doom on a battlefied where already cursed units dwell? Or when a cursed unit hits a totem shield? Or...?
You get it : it works !!!
O mighty god beyond the machine, I knew it.
In a game as deep as dom3, I can't help but wonder at the hidden afflictions the devs spared us from viewing but MUST have implemented.

Which limb have you lost that you must hide it now under a black steel full plate?
What is this seraph hiding under her skullcap?
Baldness?!?
Oh come on...:smirk:

[Swan]

the answer is: π /3.14

[Tolkien]

Which equals ~1.00005

[Swan]

maybe it does, maybe it don't. who are we to claim such an affirmation?

[Quitti]

How about four faithfuls/lucky coins + pendant of luck on a rudra/DoW? Does that equal to 250% luck?

[vfb]

No, it's a single signed byte. So if you wear all that, you actually get -6% luck.

[Sombre]

-6% luck is actually pretty good due to the nature of the DRN though.

[Swan]

How can -6% be good?

[Fantomen]

Because It's a lucky number.

[Dimaz]

-6% luck is good only in CBM 1.6. In vanilla no such nonsense exists. Clearly vanilla is better.

[MaxWilson]

How can -6% be good?

-6% luck is good because that means 6% of the time your enemies will do negative damage to you, i.e. they'll heal you instead of hurting you. It's obviously much better to have high negative luck. For instance, if you have Faithful, a lucky coin, and trick the combat AI into casting Personal Luck on top (you need to make him a communion slave and have the master cast Personal Luck since the mage refuses to cast it on himself because he's already lucky) you'll have 150% luck, which gets inverted as noted because it's a signed byte to become 256 - 150 = -106% luck. Basically you have unlimited hitpoints and can only be killed by Healing Light or Song of Healing, or your own Soul Vortex. You can still be banished to Inferno/Cocytus though so watch out for blood nations.

Also, watch out for the Doom Horrors. The "Curse Luck" weapon that some Doom Horrors (Kurgi? Umor? not sure offhand) doesn't just ignore negative luck like it ignores normal luck, it actually turns it imaginary. So you'd go from having -106% luck to sqrt(-106) = 10.3i% luck, which means a roughly 10% chance on every hit to become imaginary and disappear forever. This is especially bad for a pretender because it's an automatic dom-kill.

-Max

[binarysolo]

... you guys are having too much fun. :P

[Kheldron]

Max,

I guess you win the prize, best explanation :p

ps : oh, and might I ask what is it you take? I'd like some of it

How can -6% be good?

-6% luck is good because that means 6% of the time your enemies will do negative damage to you, i.e. they'll heal you instead of hurting you. It's obviously much better to have high negative luck. For instance, if you have Faithful, a lucky coin, and trick the combat AI into casting Personal Luck on top (you need to make him a communion slave and have the master cast Personal Luck since the mage refuses to cast it on himself because he's already lucky) you'll have 150% luck, which gets inverted as noted because it's a signed byte to become 256 - 150 = -106% luck. Basically you have unlimited hitpoints and can only be killed by Healing Light or Song of Healing, or your own Soul Vortex. You can still be banished to Inferno/Cocytus though so watch out for blood nations.

Also, watch out for the Doom Horrors. The "Curse Luck" weapon that some Doom Horrors (Kurgi? Umor? not sure offhand) doesn't just ignore negative luck like it ignores normal luck, it actually turns it imaginary. So you'd go from having -106% luck to sqrt(-106) = 10.3i% luck, which means a roughly 10% chance on every hit to become imaginary and disappear forever. This is especially bad for a pretender because it's an automatic dom-kill.

-Max

[Swan]

How can -6% be good?

-6% luck is good because that means 6% of the time your enemies will do negative damage to you, i.e. they'll heal you instead of hurting you. It's obviously much better to have high negative luck. For instance, if you have Faithful, a lucky coin, and trick the combat AI into casting Personal Luck on top (you need to make him a communion slave and have the master cast Personal Luck since the mage refuses to cast it on himself because he's already lucky) you'll have 150% luck, which gets inverted as noted because it's a signed byte to become 256 - 150 = -106% luck. Basically you have unlimited hitpoints and can only be killed by Healing Light or Song of Healing, or your own Soul Vortex. You can still be banished to Inferno/Cocytus though so watch out for blood nations.

Also, watch out for the Doom Horrors. The "Curse Luck" weapon that some Doom Horrors (Kurgi? Umor? not sure offhand) doesn't just ignore negative luck like it ignores normal luck, it actually turns it imaginary. So you'd go from having -106% luck to sqrt(-106) = 10.3i% luck, which means a roughly 10% chance on every hit to become imaginary and disappear forever. This is especially bad for a pretender because it's an automatic dom-kill.

-Max

i thought it was something like this: take -6% and cbm1.6. as you can see cbm are 3 letters and we have 2 six. so we have 3*2=6 which lead to 666!
i've just proved that -6% is the antichrist, so don't believe who says -6% is good.

[Sombre]

Sorry to necro this thread but I was wondering if anyone actually knew the answer to the original question?

[vfb]

ReAD THE FAQ OR DO A SEARCH! MAHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHH. ThIS QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED MANY TIMES ON THE FORUMS!

[Swan]

i think we just traumatized him. c'est la vie.
btw, i proposed to make this the new spam thread

[FAJ]

Can you stack spam?

[Swan]

of course you can! i've just done it

[Sombre]

Actually although the gui indicates you can stack spam when you look at the debug log it doesn't stack.

[Swan]

i want to see some math about this, or i don't believe it.

[FAJ]

I ran many tests, and when a mage is already spammed, he will not spam again. He will cast a random spell instead.

[Fantomen]

That only occurs if he is allergic to spam, in which case eggs and bacon will have to do.

Some mages like spam, especially those from viking themed nations.

[Swan]

That only occurs if he is allergic to spam, in which case eggs and bacon will have to do.

Some mages like spam, especially those from viking themed nations.

i knew sombre was lying, my mother always told me to not trust a chameleon with a hat

[Stagger Lee]

my mother always told me to not trust a chameleon with a hat

If the chameleon is scripted to cast "hat" in battle, will it know it already has a hat and ignore the order? Or do hats stack?

[FAJ]

http://delivermagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/agenview-by_acme.jpg

[Digress]

http://delivermagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/agenview-by_acme.jpg

I smell a game-breaking exploit ...

[Swan]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/i-has-a-hat.jpg

kitharonic lion thugged out

[Swan]

This thread is not going to die, not when i can prevent that

[shunwick]

You guys have waaaaaaay too much time on your hands.

[FAJ]

time stacks

[SlipperyJim]

Does time stack? If a mage who already has time is scripted to cast Time, will the spell be cast? If so, what happens to the mage?

"Too much time on your hands" is an interesting idea. If a Rudra wore four wristwatches, would it have too much time on its hands?

[Swan]

actually, does time exist at all ?

[WaltF4]

The manual is a bit confusing about it.

[Swan]

i think someone did some test about that, i don't remember who, but it was about brothers and high speed travel through the nether

[Sombre]

Stupid noobs. Just because there isn't an icon for it, they question whether it even exists. Go play some cookie cutter RTS :rolleyes:

[Swan]

you know, this made me really wondering. How does decay work actually (and burden of time)? let's take our demon lord friend bh'awb here. i summon him, then a wizard cast burden of time. when he get slayed in battle he return to home. is the demons' existence world influenced by the burden of time? if yes, are you telling me that no one out there get pissed by getting old a lot faster suddendly(e.g. bh'awb's wife, Zhuzhan the housesuccubus)? if not, what is that is aging? the soul? the atoms? we have our own personal time?

[Quitti]

This should explain it. It's pretty much like this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/fi/d/d8/Muiston_pysyvyys.jpg

[Swan]

well, the shape and/or size of a clock doesn't influence the speed of the hands of the clock, so you are suggesting that there are more than one "times" but our actions do not modify it (or them)?
And for my information, there 2 clock on a brown retctangular-like shaped thing , 1 on a tree and the last one is on what?

[Humakty]

We all know time is limited, so it SHOULD stack. At least when casted by a mage, for angels it might be different. Damn bootlickers !

[Quitti]

well, the shape and/or size of a clock doesn't influence the speed of the hands of the clock, so you are suggesting that there are more than one "times" but our actions do not modify it (or them)?
And for my information, there 2 clock on a brown retctangular-like shaped thing , 1 on a tree and the last one is on what?

I believe it's a decapitated bearded duck. I've rarely been wrong.

The point of my illustration is that time bends, it folds, so it also should stack.

[Amonchakad]

I'm quite sure that a 4-handed creature holding 4 clocks will be able to stack time a lot more efficiently.

[Humakty]

I'd have thought a clock with four hands would rather be detrimental to measure time stacking.

[FAJ]

The point of my illustration is that time bends, it folds, so it also should stack.

I thought the point was to illustrate the persistence of this thread :laugh:

[Calchet]

No, no, no. You just don't get it. The significance of four clocks goes beyond your meagre mentalities.

I don't blame you, though - you've clearly been educated stupid.

The 12 hour or 1/2 Day clock is an intended EVIL against humanity - indicting every human on Earth as Dumb, Educated Stupid and Evil - for imaginary Cubed Earth has 4 Days within simultaneous rotation.

Do you realize that a 4 corner square rotating 1/4 turn creates a full circle? A full rotated square will create 16 corners, 96 hours and 4 simultaneous 24 hour Day circles within only a single imaginary cubed Earth roation. This amounts to a spiraling quad helix of Earth as it revolves around the Sun - rotating as it revolves around the Sun, to induce the value of the Sun revolving about the Earth. This act demonstrates that both Sun and Earth rotate around each other simultaneously - thus creating Opposites existing only as Opposites with a zero value existence between the binary and cancelling to nothing as One or God theism. All Creation occurs between Opposites, and exists only as Opposites - with a zero value existence. As One or as a Godism, all Opposite values cancel out to nothing. The Circle you see around Earth divides Earth into Opposite values equal to a zero existence. As One or God, both Earth and Human cancel to nothing. The whole of the Universe is composed of Opposites - with a zero value existence - that camcels to nothing as One or a God. Humans worship ONEness of DEATH, thus they are destroying the LIFE of all Opposites by which all Creation exists. I have found Evil lies in the Bible that will rock religious and academic values to their primitive origin. There is no Human or God who can match my Cube Wisdom as a Cube Phenomenoligist - The Cube God Measurer. While the Circle of Earth rotation is a perpetual enbodiment as it is void of the Corner Time notches that accumulate as aging Life for the 4 corner residents.

Have you mentality to know 4 Days rotating simultaneously on Earth?
________________________
EARTH HAS 4 CORNER
SIMULTANEOUS 4-DAY
TIME CUBE
IN ONLY 24 HOUR ROTATION.
4 CORNER DAYS, CUBES 4 QUAD EARTH-
No 1 Day God.

[FAJ]

Have you the mentality to know that "4 corner square" is redundant? :banana:

[thejeff]

Wow. I think this may be the first thread I've ever seen where a Time Cube post was actually on topic.

Or at least on the current topic, which has drifted far away already. But after Time Cube where do you go?

[SlipperyJim]

Um, seriously, does luck stack?

[Quitti]

at least up to -6%

[Kheldron]

I wonder if a quickened human stacks time better than a four handed rudra if both hold a wristwatch on each of their wrists?
Does it make any difference if some of the wristwatches are digital and the rest mechanical?

[Swan]

I thought the point was to illustrate the persistence of this thread
this topic is a zombie, you can't kill it and it will eat the brain of who post here

on topic
quickened humans stack time worst because they consume time faster, it's easy.
Someone want to bet how long time will be the topic before someone switch?

[Sir_Dr_D]

It is nice to see that in the year and a half I have been away no one has lost their sense of humor.

[Amonchakad]

It is nice to see that in the year and a half I have been away no one has lost their sense of humor.

Well, duh. It's widely known that sense of humor stacks.

Especially if you measure that year and a half with digital wristwatches.

[Swan]

sense of humor may stacks, but don't forget that it decay with an increased rate as you get older

[Swan]

here the equations for sense of humor calculation:
someone think it's a equation linear Y= -x +H H= h +w
but the truth is that it's a curve, which equation is
Y= -x^2 + ax + H H= (h+w)/x
Y=sense of humor x=your age H=humor you gained since x h=initial sense of humor
w= humor stacked from life experience
a= the age when you stopped to see the nice things in the world
when Y<0 it became sarcasm mixed with cynicism, a mixture which % can be calcuklated with an equation i will not post here

[Swan]

http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/09/09/funny-pictures-death-where-is-thy-sting/

will this be the death of this thread?

[SlipperyJim]

sense of humor may stacks, but don't forget that it decay with an increased rate as you get older
Will Boots of Youth keep my commanders funny forever? Also, if I empower in Blood Magic and cast Rejuvenate, will my commanders recover their lost sense of humor?

Also, does sense of humor stack with time and/or luck?

[Swan]

hmm, you don't age so boots should keep your commander funny, don't forget the humor power of an item made by slaughtering innocent girls.
humor don't stack with time, but works well with luck: a lucky and funny commander will have more succes that a funny and unlucky commander.

[Stagger Lee]

... don't forget the humor power of an item made by slaughtering innocent girls...

I've noticed that good luck is not usually funny, it's just good. Bad luck, OTOH, is indeed bad, but can also be absolutely hilarious. Does this mean that having a sense of humour indicates an evil alignment? It would explain a few things. ;)

[Swan]

yeah bad luck is hilarious, but being lucky makes your humor more effective, because well, you are lucky.
Don't forget that in any movies the evil is always funnier than the hero, so yes being evil stack with humor

[Swan]

#newweapon 666
#name Gaw'bohlz secret weapon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ9YtJC-Kd8)
#secondaryeffect 665
#att 2
#def 0
#len 3:28
#range 100
#ammo 1
#end

[Viajero]

I'm a bit surprised by those answers.
I was fairly convinced that he wouldn't cast it he already had luck.
...
Was I wrong?

On the contrary, you are wrong. And furthermore if your mage has the sword of Aurgelmer he will refuse to even go into battle if you script him to cast Luck so that ll show ya.