EA Land nations Only... Game Name: Landlubber:

[GrudgeBringer]

Game Started....SEND IN PRETENDERS

I would like players that either have taken 'The Good Player Pledge' or have the ability to play 'to the bitter end'.

We will be starting with 24 Hour turn intervals until I start getting requests to make them longer...(but I want to stress this game WILL give liberal extensions to keep anyone from staling if possible)

Nations & Players

Ulm -Augusti
Arco -GrudgeBringer
Marverni -ghoul31
Yomi -Tollund
Argatha -Squirrelloid
C'tis -Dark Kitty
Ermor -RadiaGibbon
Kalisia -Stattis
Tir-a-Nog -Apsophos
Abysia -Frozen Lama

We will be using the Shariver Map by Sombre 168 land and 12 water provinces. (Link will be up shortly)

There will be NO water expansion or entering the water for any reason.

We are using CBM 1.6

Frozen Lama just put up a CORRECTED link to the map in the game forum and I have one at the bottom of the page.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=710472&postcount=1

The Name of the game is officially Landlubber

[GrudgeBringer]

I will take Arco

[Frozen Lama]

oh geez. you took arco? what? madness!

Aby

[Tollund]

I'll play Yomi.

[Squirrelloid]

Oh hell, give me Agartha. In a set of 'weak' nations (although i really question that designation for some of these) its not going to be nearly as bad as it would otherwise be, so they might actually make a go of it. This is the best chance to play them in MP I'm going to get! =)

[Apsophos]

I'd like to play Tir Na Nog, please.

[statttis]

I'll take Kailasa

[ghoul31]

Marverni

[anticipatient]

I would like C'tis please

[Agusti]

I'd like to play Ulm, please.

[Squirrelloid]

You know, I'd probably rate EA Ermor the best of the nations up there. Its hilarious it will be the last taken. =)

[RadioGibbon]

After thinking long and hard I'd like to go with Ermor please.

[Jarkko]

C'tis for me, please :)

[Agusti]

C'tis for me, please :)

That nation is already taken. See some post above.

[Jarkko]

C'tis for me, please :)

That nation is already taken. See some post above.
Ah, blasted. I just read the OP, should have checked the posts too.

Maybe next time :)

[Skor]

Already free places don´t stay, maybe in another occasion.

[Frozen Lama]

Not to make you feel dumb or anything GB, but you can jsut copy-paste from the PM i sent you.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=612954&postcount=1

scroll down a little and the map is there.

[GrudgeBringer]

My wife said the same thing....

However here is what it does when I copy and paste.


http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showp...54&postcount=1


As you see the link isn't there and for some reason I can't EVER copy a Hyperlink.

She says my computer is whacked but Its brand new and supposedly ( I am somewhat computer challenged) the biggest and baddest (sigh):sick:

[GrudgeBringer]

LOL, never thought of getting out of the screen for it to work...

NOW, I DO feel stupid:(

[GrudgeBringer]

But MY link doesn't work...yours does, ahhh heck with it, use Lama's:p

[rdonj]

Try this. Right click on the link. Select the option "copy link location". You should then be able to paste the link properly. If this for some reason still doesn't work for you, if you hit reply or try to quote someone's post you can see the whole link written out. Copy that and there is absolutely no reason it shouldn't work.

[GrudgeBringer]

OK, I am ready to create the game.

Do we want 10 or 15 HOF?

Treaties: If you want them binding, put them in the Forum. No Crying if you have not listed them and get stabbed in the back.

CBM Complete 1.6

No one may enter water provinces AT ALL (replaces "you can hide in the water but can't take provinces"), a number of folks wanted either all or none...I chose NONE so that no one with water access could build up and stay in the water untouched.

Graphs on

All other default.

Anyone have any other suggestions...if not I will create the game by morning

[Squirrelloid]

I don't understand why water provinces are that big a deal. CBM 1.6 makes it *really easy* to enter the water, and its not like agartha is the only nation of these that has an easy time of it. (C'tissian undead hordes come to mind as a really easy way to get UW, or Dai Oni with something to let it breathe). Games without water nations are rather common, and rarely are water provinces made such a big deal of.

[Frozen Lama]

I believe it is more something that GB wanted to test out, not necesarily that it will change the game hugely. it is his game, and if that's how he wants it, deal with it please.

[anticipatient]

Oh, I won't be prepared to play this game until next Wednesday. If that doesn't work, take me out of the roster please.

Er yes, that sounds like it won't work. I'm sorry! Last minute travel plans.

[Frozen Lama]

does that mean a week from tomorrow?

[GrudgeBringer]

Anticipatient,

I'm sorry you can't play this one!!

Glad to see you back though. Have a good trip and we will see you when you get back.


I will contact the other 2 players that showed interest and see if they would want to play.

And FL was correct, I wanted this game to be a land only game.

Actually, I wanted MORE water as barriers (like mountains) and to make you forge items to get across the water as you can't go in it at all (even to sneak attack). But decided to Use Shariver as the map is very nice and the 'pond' may give me an idea of what I was looking for without restricting the game too much.

I will contact Jarkos and the other guy...will keep you informed.

[Frozen Lama]

ok i must revise the link. the original version by Sombre had some very unbalanced sites preset. this link is from the MP game Shariver. download the .zip file at the bottom. this means that anyone who has already downloaded the map must still go and DOWNLOAD THE FOLLOWING LINK!

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=710472&postcount=1

[anticipatient]

I apologize for gumming up the works and probably slowing the game down a little. Have fun, you guys :)

[Ossa]

I'll take over for anticipant if you like. I'll even take Ctis;)

[Squirrelloid]

And FL was correct, I wanted this game to be a land only game.

Actually, I wanted MORE water as barriers (like mountains) and to make you forge items to get across the water as you can't go in it at all (even to sneak attack). But decided to Use Shariver as the map is very nice and the 'pond' may give me an idea of what I was looking for without restricting the game too much.

Hmmm...

Total inability to enter the water would make for a more interesting game on a different map. I agree the map is pretty (and I like playing on pretty maps), but all the water as a big mass doesn't really do all that much interesting with geography, and doesn't permit sailing to really be used at all.

Something like Urraparand (obviously something smaller, but still) would make water an interesting 'unenterable' feature rather than just spaces arbitrarily removed from the map.

[GrudgeBringer]

I agree but I have had so much positive feedback on this map that I just said "fine" and will try it. Its just an idea I have wanted to try anyway.


BTW, In vicious circle are you going to attack sauro with hinnom and Helheim or would you be interested in staying neutral (something BIG is about to happen which may benefit you) and perhaps come in on his side?

This is just between us (my word), just want your position as everyone has quit talking, and usually that's a bad sign!!

You really got screwed in VvN...geeez what a mess!!

[GrudgeBringer]

We are full agian...

Dark Kitty will take over C'tis effective NOW.

There has been a motion to change the map to another one that the NO ebtering the water would be more benificial.

If there isn't any other comment we will go with Shariver and get started.

If we want to change the map, lets get it done.:up:

[Frozen Lama]

GB. democracy only works so well. its been long enough. just make the game please. if squirrelloid still has an issue with your preference regarding the water he can sit this one out and we can find someone else.

[Agusti]

I don't see any problem with the water issue and i'm ready to send the pretender :)

[Squirrelloid]

GB. democracy only works so well. its been long enough. just make the game please. if squirrelloid still has an issue with your preference regarding the water he can sit this one out and we can find someone else.

That was a bit snippy, especially considering my comment was that the game rule would be more interesting with a different map, not that it was necessarily a bad restriction.

If you want to flame me, come do it on IRC =p

Anyway, since I seem to be the only one who cares, lets just get going.

[Frozen Lama]

after having talked on IRC, its been settled. i declare PEACE! gb- feel free to start the game

[GrudgeBringer]

Its snowing like crazy here...I will shovel the walk and then create the game.

Start working on pretenders and remember it is CBM 1.6

I iwll have it up within the hour:up:

[GrudgeBringer]

Game is up and ready for Pretenders

name of game is Landlubber

[Frozen Lama]

little glitch. you set it as middle age. no worries, i fixed it, but just in case anyone besides me had their god rejected, it is now fixed

[GrudgeBringer]

LOL, I deleted it and set up a new game...I had 2 glitches (thats what I get for listening to my wife as I am trying to set up a game!!)

[Frozen Lama]

well i had fixed it.... but ok. i even figured out which version of shariver to use. should be all good now

[Dark Kitty]

My pretender is in too, sorry for the waiting, I had a hard time choosing my pretender:)

[Frozen Lama]

ok first turn sent. everything looks good, so hopefully all goes well

[ghoul31]

I need a 12 hour delay. I am out of town today.

[GrudgeBringer]

12 Hr delay for Ghoul

[Frozen Lama]

i should mention- this map is the version without the uber discount sites and indie mages. it still has some nice lvl 0 magic sites that provide good gems. they are usually easily apparent on the map by the artwork

[GrudgeBringer]

12 hour extension granted Argatha per request

[Squirrelloid]

Will trade for a Thistle Mace. Inquire with the Agarthan ambassador to negotiate a price.

[GrudgeBringer]

Grudge here...what will you trade for a thistle mace?

[Squirrelloid]

I was offered a good deal and took it. Sorry GB, you're too slow =P

[GrudgeBringer]

Np...just trying to help out:)

[Squirrelloid]

Will trade for:
-Crystal Coin, Astral Cap (marked preference for coin, would trade for both)
-Pearls (Looking for 10+)

Offering:
-Hammers, Earth Boots, etc...
-Frost Brand, Robe of the Sea, etc...
-Water gems, earth gems, blood slaves (don't ask :rolleyes:), possibly air gems

Discuss specific offers with your Agarthan trade representative!

Limited time offer. Void where prohibited. Trades are conducted on a first come, first served basis. Items traded are not for resale. Management reserves the right to refuse service for any reason

[GrudgeBringer]

I am formally recinding the 2 turn Nap with Yomi. Hostilities may begin on turn 20.

[Squirrelloid]

Offering hammers for 14 pearls. Would also negotiate sales priced in death or nature gems.

[Squirrelloid]

Addendum: Also willing to trade water gems or water forgings for pearls, death, or nature gems.

[GrudgeBringer]

Apsophos (Tir) has requested a 24 hor extension and it has been granted.

[Squirrelloid]

Sale!
Hammers: 14s or 14n.
Other earth forgings possible upon request at reasonable prices!
Water gems or forgings: available for s,n,d, negotiate with your agarthan trade representative.

[Squirrelloid]

My nature needs are met for now, still willing to trade for s or d, prices for hammers in s are as advertised!

[GrudgeBringer]

Dang Squirrel, I need a good salesman for my company. I think you might fit the bill!!!;)

[Tollund]

Well, that was over quick. Next time I think I need to practice expanding more before the game starts. Sharivar seems to be more difficult to expand on than other maps sometimes.

[Agusti]

I can forge Dwarden Hammers in exchange for 10 Water/Fire gems . Is anyone is interested, send me a private or an email :)

Is anyone is interested in some other items (Constr.4) we can talk too and I might forge them for you in exchange for W/F gems.

Ulm

[Squirrelloid]

Agusti, your price is ridiculously low. Is your mage-time worth nothing? Agartha will not stoop to such unfair trade practices.

[Agusti]

Agusti, your price is ridiculously low. Is your mage-time worth nothing? Agartha will not stoop to such unfair trade practices.

My Forge Bonus is 50%, that's why my price is ridiculously low. My Warrior Chief has a 25% of bonus in forging and if you give him a DH his bonus is then 50%. ;)

I don't want to trade for long, only a couple of turns so don't worry too much. I will raise my prices later in order to don't disturb your trade. It's ok to you?

[rdonj]

Well, that was over quick. Next time I think I need to practice expanding more before the game starts. Sharivar seems to be more difficult to expand on than other maps sometimes.

Sharivar does have a lot of rough terrain, so it can definitely be slow going moving across areas you've already been through. It shouldn't have unusually hard indies, but indies can be pretty luck of the draw anyyway.

[Apsophos]

Well, that was over quick. Next time I think I need to practice expanding more before the game starts. Sharivar seems to be more difficult to expand on than other maps sometimes.

Out already ? Well at least I won't be the first to go.

[Squirrelloid]

Looking to buy: Flaming Skull. Willing to pay in w/e/a/b, and/or cover the actual forging cost in f/d (with other gems to cover the difference between forging cost and price).

Previously offered prices still stand.

Note: I can forge boots of quickness, swords of swiftness, and other fun water forgings. All negotiable in pearls or d.

Gems are available directly (w/e/a) for s,d.

I now have bloodslaves again... Willing to trade for s, d negotiable (you'll get a much better price with s).

[Squirrelloid]

Agarthan smiths have been exceptionally busy recently, and thus we need to alter the terms of our trading policies. We will try to accomodate any current negotiations at previously stated prices and policies, and apologize for the inconvenience.

Barring any deals already under negotiation, hammers are no longer up for sale at the previous terms, nor are other earth forgings. Sorry, but Agartha does have resource limits, however apparently large our coffers. Any earth items would require payment in earth gems at standard prices (ie, list cost to forge, pre-hammer), and may require advance payment to insure i have the gems to forge with.

Water gems and forgings are still available for trade. Up to W3 available.

Nature forgings now available. Up to N3 available.

Accepting s,d,e in payment, in that order of preference. All prices are a number of gems equal to the standard forging cost (ie, without a hammer).

[GrudgeBringer]

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[statttis]

Kailasa needs water gems, and offers the following deals to trade for them:

Fire - 1.5:1
Air,Death - 1:1
Blood - 2:1
Variety of forged items - at cost
Black Steel Shield, Rat Tail, Snake Bladder Stick - 2 gems each.

Contact by PM if interested.

[GrudgeBringer]

Is anybody ready to go to 36 hours?

Everytime I turn around I am getting a turn from here and if I don't do it right then, I am afraid I will stale.

I would like to go to 36 hour quickhost...

Feedback please.

[Squirrelloid]

36 hr is fine. I'm surprised we're still on as short a hosting schedule as we are.

[ghoul31]

Kailasa is taking over water provinces. The rules said we aren't allowed to do that.

[Agusti]

Yes, 36 is ok to me.

[statttis]

Kailasa is taking over water provinces. The rules said we aren't allowed to do that.

Eh? It's no water nations, not no water period.

36 hrs is fine with me.

[ghoul31]

"There will be NO water expansion or entering the water for any reason"

It states that in the OP. What part of that statement don't you understand?

[Frozen Lama]

he is correct. the water provinces are to remain unconquered. seeing as how its a little late for that, i will ask you to tax them at 200% until so that the unrest causes you to have no income, and hopefully an event will claim them.... i just hope that you didn't get any sites.

and yes, i'd say the OP was pretty damn clear about this. bad stattis bad. :(

[statttis]

Oh dear :cold:

I guess I forgot that part of the rules. I was wondering why Agartha hadn't moved into the water yet...

I hate to get an unfair advantage. I've only been in the water a couple turns so I can calculate the income+gem income from them, waste it, then abandon the water. Or should I just set myself AI?

[Trumanator]

I don't suppose anyone can send horror/lesser horror there?

[Frozen Lama]

no, just do as i suggested. tax it at 200 till its getting you nothing. the gems on the other hand.... hmmm i guess alchemize it? then waste it?waste the gold if you can. i'm not going to like ban you or anything.

[statttis]

My estimate of what I've gotten from the underwater provinces is about 1000 gold (450 + 350 + 200) and 4E, 4W, 1N gems. I'll set taxes on underwater to 0 so I get no income, build a couple labs underwater to get rid of the money I've earned, and put the gems on an indie commmander then drown him. Somebody will cast send lesser horror on 79 and 100 to stop my gem income (I'll provide the slaves).

Sound acceptable?

[Frozen Lama]

well except that no one can cast lesser horror but me, and i'm not there in the research tree. unless someone is hiding something. lol

[ghoul31]

Well its one versus three as usual. Everyone who plays this game is a complete coward.

[Tollund]

Are you currently the weakest player on the graphs? Or the weakest player who borders your enemies? Then you can and should expect that people will gang up on you to get a piece of your territory unless you can convince them through diplomatic means that you are worth more to them alive. Ganging up on the weakest player isn't cowardice, it's the most intelligent thing to do, and usually happens without people even planning it.

[GrudgeBringer]

Sigh.........I trust Statttis to work it out and be honorable about it, and I am sure there are some that can verify it.

I maybe able to do the horror thing, let me chaeck and I will let you know this turn. The problem is sneaking there.

I am setting the turn to 36 hours effective NOW.

[Squirrelloid]

Ghoul31:
(1) You never approached me diplomatically. One might think that, if one should find oneself bordering a powerful nation, one might at least attempt to find out their intentions rather than blithely assuming they were peaceful, if not attempt to get assurances as to those intentions.
(2) I approached you for a bribe to avoid destroying you. Tribute, if you will. You responded with demands. Needless to say, I was not impressed.
(3) Ermor was going to roll over you anyway, why shouldn't I get some provinces while you're on the way out? You didn't even attempt to secure me as a war ally against Ermor. Regardless of whether it would have worked or not, you certainly should have tried, as your survival was conditional on my willingness to go to war with Ermor.

I'd blame your current predicament on a total failure of diplomacy, not some 'everyone gangs up on the weak guy' mentality.

[ghoul31]

no, you saw I was fighting one versus two, so you decided to make it one versus three. Three versus one isn't fun or challenging.

I don't understand why nobody wants to have fun, challenging battles.

[Apsophos]

Well its one versus three as usual. Everyone who plays this game is a complete coward.

Are you including me in the three? Didn't you own all of my provinces, including capital and barring ongoing sieges, at some point?
You agreed on "some kind of alliance" with me without trying to discuss the terms of it then atacked me while I was building up forces elsewhere.

I'm definietly not one of those who are ganging upon you, I'm just trying to keep playing :p

[Apsophos]

I don't understand why nobody wants to have fun, challenging battles.

Wasn't that fun when I stupidly lost my pretender in a magic duel against one of your druids?

[Squirrelloid]

no, you saw I was fighting one versus two, so you decided to make it one versus three. Three versus one isn't fun or challenging.

I don't understand why nobody wants to have fun, challenging battles.

Challenging battles are the result of a failure of strategy.

I gave you an out and you refused to pay tribute to the might that is Agartha. Instead you spit in our face and slapped away the olive branch with your impetuous demands. Now you pay the ultimate penalty.

You seriously thought we were just going to watch while our neighbors put an end to you and reaped all the benefits when you've done nothing to earn our friendship? Foolish.

----

"To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting."

"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."

"Thus it is that in war the victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory."

"One who cannot be victorious assumes a defensive posture; one who can be victorious attacks.... Those who excel at defense bury themselves away below the lowest depths of Earth. Those who excel at offense move from above the greatest heights of Heaven."

-Sun Tzu

[Frozen Lama]

Ghoul i know how you feel. in my first 4 mp games, i was ganged up on early in 3 of them. one of them included two 3-1 gangbangs. honestly all i can tell you is that i was forced to learn diplomacy. i don't like it much, but you gotta do it.

and also, Marverni has an unfortunate reputation which leads to it getting a disproportional amount of gangs.

[statttis]

I've played a few games with ghoul and (through no particular fault of his own) he's ended up on the wrong end of team gankfests. I was on the giving end of at least 1 of them :p. So it's easy to understand why he might be upset.

[Squirrelloid]

and also, Marverni has an unfortunate reputation which leads to it getting a disproportional amount of gangs.

I'm not sure you get to pull the reputation card when one of the 'gankers' is Agartha ;)

[Frozen Lama]

squirrelloid please. as much as you hate to admit it, marverni does have that reputaion. agartha too, but its still there

[Squirrelloid]

squirrelloid please. as much as you hate to admit it, marverni does have that reputaion. agartha too, but its still there

I'm just saying, by that logic Yomi should still be alive and I should've been ganked hard.

[GrudgeBringer]

That was map placement on Yomi, he never had a chance from turn 3. No fault of his own.

[Apsophos]

What triggered the gang bang is not Marverni's reputation, it is that ghoul attacked me first. Making the first move is like calling "I'm at war now, I'm weaker, hit me", it is true for any nation in any position in this game. Attacking one neighbour should only be done when you have the others secured, be it by force or diplomacy.

[Squirrelloid]

Ah, i see Kailasa decided to show me its army. Please attack me, it will be entertaining. At least for me. You might not be so enthused.

[RadioGibbon]

What triggered the gang bang is not Marverni's reputation, it is that ghoul attacked me first. Making the first move is like calling "I'm at war now, I'm weaker, hit me", it is true for any nation in any position in this game. Attacking one neighbour should only be done when you have the others secured, be it by force or diplomacy.

This is pretty much true, my main concern was if Marverni managed to completly conquer Tir na Nog, I would have been hemmed in by two nations which had significant size advantages over my empire. Leaving Marverni to conquer TNN would have been suicide from my point of view, intervention was a no brainer.

[GrudgeBringer]

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[Frozen Lama]

i spy with my burning eyes..... an Agarthan Tartarian. it seems that agartha is stronger than thier drop in provs would indicate. people of the world- do not be sure of the monkey's victory yet

[GrudgeBringer]

:jaw:

[Tollund]

Tartarians by turn 38 is about as fast as you could normally get them with easy research in Dom2 for Arcoscephale before the undead healing nerf. I'm impressed.

[Squirrelloid]

LA Agartha can do it faster. Like, turn 30, with a start slightly less expansive than the one I had. (Ok, first useable GoRed tart is probably available turn 32-3 on average, given you have to get a good one). Of course, LA Agartha is the good Agartha...

[Dark Kitty]

I'm finally dead. It was a fun game (except for the last few turns^^), I'm looking forwards to other games with you guys ;)

[GrudgeBringer]

Thanks for playing, and staying until the end.

Will see you agian!!:up:

[GrudgeBringer]

I have had a request to raise the hosting time to 48 hours..

Opinions please.

[Squirrelloid]

I don't think I need 48h, but i wouldn't mind

[GrudgeBringer]

I will be leaving town NEXT Friday 2/26/10 and back midday Monday 3/01/10. depending on how the turns fall I iwll be using an extension to cover this.

At the same time I have been asked by a couple of people to move the game to 48 hours. This seems like the perfect time to do it so the extension will be shorter.

SO....depending on how the turns fall I will be setting the game to 48 hours next weekend and extending it so I can get back and do my turn Monday afternoon.

[Squirrelloid]

requesting 24h extension. I'll probably have my turn in tomorrow, but getting it in by noon probably isn't going to happen.

[GrudgeBringer]

24 hr extension granted for Squirrelloid

[Squirrelloid]

I guess the other northern nations have decided that Kailasa should win this game, since i've noticed no attacks against Kailasa, and I simply cannot deal with the sheer number of thugs and SCs Kailasa can produce, not to mention the never ending hordes of sacreds. When every worthwhile unit i have is summoned, and kailasa has worthwhile hired and summoned units, I can't possibly win this. Its just a matter of time and attrition.

[GrudgeBringer]

Squirrelloid, Actually 2 or 3 of the nations are locked in a war among themselves and it looks as if Kalisia will leave them alone long enough they will do the work for him.

I also think its all over but the shouting, but I also think some of the players are honestly enjoying themselves in their own little mini war chess game.

[Squirrelloid]

Squirrelloid, Actually 2 or 3 of the nations are locked in a war among themselves and it looks as if Kalisia will leave them alone long enough they will do the work for him.

I also think its all over but the shouting, but I also think some of the players are honestly enjoying themselves in their own little mini war chess game.

I understand people have local concerns. Thats sort of equivalent to deciding Kailasa is going to win at this point though, since if Kailasa succeeds in killing me they will own something like 40% of the map and will be virtually unstoppable.

[Frozen Lama]

ermor seems to be doing well for itself. and i know that squirrelloid assures me that they are a very capable nation. they will be able to put up a fight long enough for the NE area to finish its war

[Agusti]

I'm a little nation in this game but I'm enjoying a lot fighting against Frozen. I'm enjoying this game although my scale problems and economic limitations since the beggining of the game,

BTW, I don't understand the way some nations are playing this game. Kailasa is now a very powerful nation will all that sacred troops horde and of course it's not an easy decision to enter in a war with such a great nation but the bigger nations should have declared war to Kailasa before when the monkey nation was defeating Agartha(now Arcoscephale and Ermor seems the better to do that but...).

Great game.

[ghoul31]

I understand people have local concerns. Thats sort of equivalent to deciding Kailasa is going to win at this point though, since if Kailasa succeeds in killing me they will own something like 40% of the map and will be virtually unstoppable.

Its your own fault for forming an allince against me, when you should have been forming an allince against Kailasa.

[Squirrelloid]

I understand people have local concerns. Thats sort of equivalent to deciding Kailasa is going to win at this point though, since if Kailasa succeeds in killing me they will own something like 40% of the map and will be virtually unstoppable.

Its your own fault for forming an allince against me, when you should have been forming an allince against Kailasa.

I expected C'tis to last a little longer.

I also explicitly told you when I made an offer of peace that I wanted the port across the lake since I didn't border Kailasa otherwise at the time. You're the one who spit my offer of peace back in my face.

[GrudgeBringer]

Remember this weekend we will have an extension until Monday.

This is a good oppourtunity to go ahead and raise the hosting time if we want. I think we have done a GREAT job getting our turns in, but it seems war has broken out amonst 3 to 6 nations and i have been asked for more time.

Are we on 24 or 36 hours now? I can raise it another 12 if we want...

Let me know your feelings either by PM or on the forum.

[Frozen Lama]

we are on 36. i'm fine with it still. i guess its really up to kailasa since he is usually the last one in

[GrudgeBringer]

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[Squirrelloid]

Hey GB, don't suppose I could get a little more time on the clock. 6-12h should be fine.

[GrudgeBringer]

12 hour extension for squirrelloid

[GrudgeBringer]

I was asked for a 12 hour extension by Squirrelloid and thought I put it on this game (I am admin in 3 games),

This morning when I got ready for the gym I noticed it had hosted and since no one had sent it in I have rolled it back.

I have not looked at it and I hope the rest of you will be honor bound not to take a peek either.

since you have not sent in a new turn I don't believe we have to do anything (someone help me here). But DO NOT change the turn and send it in. someone on here (help me squirrelloid0 will tell us what we need to do.

Just sit tight

[RadioGibbon]

Whoops.

I resent my turn before I checked this message. Didn't change anything and didn't look at 52 though.

[Squirrelloid]

Ok everyone, here's what to do:

Delete the turn file for the next turn. If you haven't DLed it, don't. If you did look at it, also delete your 2h file.

So long as you do that before receiving the new version of it, we shouldn't have any problems. My turn should be in without too much delay, though we'll probably need to wait for GB to show up and force host it.

(I have not and will not look at the new trn file I received).

Edit: You do not need to resubmit your 2h file for the last (current) turn, it still has it and will use it if it doesn't receive another 2h file.

Edit: My 2h file is in GB, you may forcehost when ready.

[statttis]

It seems that I (and maybe others?) turned in a .2h file for the wrong turn 52. It has resulted in anomolies like items going missing from my lab, skipped orders, and the attached image.

Screenshot was taken after the titan, previously a dead rudra, buffed with Iron Will :cold:

[Frozen Lama]

oh god. this is going to be ugly. first question- is there anything that is going to be an ongoing problem i.e. does that guy still all messed up, or was it just that one battle? if its just items missing and skipped orders and isolated bugs, please evaluate if you can simply live with it and move on. if its still messed up, we have to do nasty things

[RadioGibbon]

So whats the story with these bugs?

Is it worth mentioning that I got messages saying Kalisa and Agartha both had inexplicable wealth increases? Does that mean they have the wrong files or do I?

Are we carrying on or rolling back?

[statttis]

I'd like to roll back, considering I lost about 20 items from my lab, including artifacts and key boosters. Plus there is the issue of the messed up rudra (now a tartarian titan) and likely other problems I didn't notice. I'm not sure what will happen if we keep playing.

[Frozen Lama]

ok thank you stattis. that was my question. we have no choice but to roll back. here is the drill, read carefully!!

I will roll back the turn.

every go into your dominions/savegames folder and delete the entire folder for this game!

Then create a new savegame and download the rolled back turn into that folder.

redo your turn, but remember, your enemy most likely knows what you did last turn, so if you are in a war, change your turn!

then resend the turn like normal.

i think that is it.

[GrudgeBringer]

Sigh....now I lost a whole army.

Let me get this straight...IF we don't even open our turn and they roll it back then the 2h files that you have already got are good. SO...if you send them in agian and have not chabged them it should not have any effect.

That seems to be the way it has always worked...its my fault..If I had got the D*** extension in for squirrelloid we would not have all these re do's...

[Frozen Lama]

when weird bugs like this happen, and possibly multiple people's .trn's are messed up, i don't think we can just rehost it, especially since we don't know what caused the problem. I'm afraid that the easiest way by far, is to do the turns again. don't worry, i missed the extension too. Lets just try and move forward. I hope that losing the army is not game-crippling, and if my knowledge of the game is correct, it is not.

[GrudgeBringer]

No...but I won that dang battle last turn. #@^**%#+++

[GrudgeBringer]

Please don't anyone D/L the new patch to we see if we want to finish this game first.

Opinions please

[Trumanator]

Games are compatible with new patches. Don't worry about DLing it.

[Frozen Lama]

Yeah, what he said. D/L it. its all fine AFAIK.

[GrudgeBringer]

From all I have read, questions asked, and info from friends and foes alike....

I am going to go ahead and load the new patch and recommend we all do the same. From what I understand, you can go ahead and submit your waiting turn NOW either with or without the patch.

But next turn you will need to have it patched.

Everyone one here has played before and I am just relaying what I understand. Any other comments are welcome.

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[Squirrelloid]

So, I just killed >500 kailasan units, including some 78 commanders, and the best you could say is it caused his army size graph to deflect. Of course, it'll regain its former height next turn, so that's hardly an accomplishment.

I'm ready to conceed at this point. All I've got left is sound and fury, signifying nothing. To even pretend that his losses to me are significant would be the worst hubris.

[GrudgeBringer]

I understand your frustration, and we in the north have done nothing to help you....

I see 2 alternatives, you can do as much damage to him as you can and go out fighting.

Or, you have voted to concede a number of times and you are probably right. But I think the rest of us are fighting on, and if you want to set to AI then go ahead and do so. We all know you have caught the brunt of war this game. And in your own words "Argatha is a weak nation but this is your best chance to play it and get beat". So I don't see any dishonor if you want to concede and turn AI.

[GrudgeBringer]

There will be a 24 hour extension due to some power outages, but the turn may host quicker as soon as they get the turn in as power is now back on.

[RadioGibbon]

Does anyone know what the story with Kalisa/Stattis is? Is he coming back?

[GrudgeBringer]

What do you mean?

[GrudgeBringer]

He has staled twice...I am going to put a 24 to 48 hor extension on this turn...

He is too big to be staling, I PM'd him explaining the situation.

I am going to start working on a sub (I have just the guy in mind)just in case.

I am NOT going to set him to AI unless it is the last thing we can do.

[GrudgeBringer]

I have found a sub that will take Kalisia over and is somewhat familiar with it. How long do we want to wait for Stattis to contact us ( I sent him a PM) before we take on the sub...he is willing now, I don't know how long he will be interested.

Opinions...

[GrudgeBringer]

If I don't hear from anyone by Sunday evening I will get the sub to play and give him some time to look over all 57 provinces.

Anybody have an opinion, one way or the other?

[Frozen Lama]

who is the sub?

[Squirrelloid]

If we haven't heard from Statttis by now... (the game should have hosted like 6h ago)... bring on the sub! (Give him another 24h on the clock too, he's got a large empire to figure out).

Also, GB, what are all these skeptics doing in my lands? Don't you have better things to be doing than reducing my dominion?

[GrudgeBringer]

Blackguard

[GrudgeBringer]

there was only 1 or 2 I was running south as scouts and keeping them on the move so they wouldn't affect anything. Not trying to hurt you...I was under the impression as long as I moved them every turn they did no damage (per cris).

If I am wrong I apologize.

[13lackGu4rd]

Grudge told me that Kailasa is the biggest player but heh, didn't thought it was this big :o

so well, not expecting that Statttis had diplomatic relations with any of you, but if he did than please tell me so I'll be aware of them and not break any NAPs/Alliances due to not knowing about them...

[Squirrelloid]

You were killing me, so get on with it =)

[13lackGu4rd]

oh I will, once I finish cleaning up the mess those 2 stale turns made... *points at Ermor*

[RadioGibbon]

Hey, I brought it up man... don't look at me.

[13lackGu4rd]

dunno about you but 3-4 sieged forts, 2 of which can be stormed next turn definitely seems like an attack during those 2 turns...

[13lackGu4rd]

oh and I'll definitely need some more time to get the into this game. say a 24 hour extension, so Wednesday instead of tomorrow would be great.

[RadioGibbon]

dunno about you but 3-4 sieged forts, 2 of which can be stormed next turn definitely seems like an attack during those 2 turns...

:angel I didn't know the guy was gonna stale, I thought I was being all heroic, bearding the Kalisan menance in its den and what not :angel

[GrudgeBringer]

OK...1 more extension of 24 hours to allow Blackguard to get comfortable in his empire.

[GrudgeBringer]

On turn 64 Arco breaks the 5 turn Nap with Kalisia, Hostilities if any may begin on turn 69

[13lackGu4rd]

Grudge can I have a 24 hour extension for this turn? need some more time to do this turn in peace and quiet.

[Frozen Lama]

done

[GrudgeBringer]

Btw, BlackGuard...

Frozen Lama is also co-admin and if you have a question you can ask either of us. Either of us can answer the question or give extensions etc.

He has the authority to do anything I can do.:up:

[Frozen Lama]

I've added 6h because kailasa was still not in with ten minutes left. i will postpone before i go to bed if its still not in

[Squirrelloid]

I am very disappointed in the lack of dying I'm doing now.

[Frozen Lama]

ok 24h added. BlackGuard is logged onto irc, but not there, so i left a message. hopefully he can get the turn in. if its still not in, i guess we look for a sub tomorrow

[13lackGu4rd]

sorry guys, had a big exam yesterday evening(started at 6 p.m) planned on getting my turn in after I got home, but I was too tired and fell asleep :S
I'll get it in tonight.

oh, and any chance we can extend the 48 hour schedule, we're already pretty late in the game, some people already have max research and all that, and personally I got more than 50 provinces to manage... I thought that at this stage the standard was around 72 hour schedules, so if it won't bother the rest of you I think it would be helpful to extend the hosting periods.

[GrudgeBringer]

How about 12 to start and if that isn't good enough we can talk about another 12.

[13lackGu4rd]

up to you guys, so I guess 12 can work for now, if it doesn't than I'll start asking for extensions again, and if it'll happen often I guess it won't be...

oh and I got my current turn in, sorry for the delay and thanks for the catch Frozen.

[GrudgeBringer]

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[GrudgeBringer]

I am not sure although I suspect he took the time to mail all of us that this game was somewhat overwhelming (and I don't blame him).

Well...what do we want to do? Squirrel, you have hung in there as long as I can expect you too and if you want to set AI if we continue I think you have fullfilled your obligation (although I think you all of all players could somehow still pull it out with the right alliances).

I personally would like to continue as I am learning a LOT in this game and even if we had to set Kalisia to AI, I would still like to finish the game. I will start looking for a sub, but I need to know all of your feelings on this before we saddle someone else with Kalisia.:up:


From BlackGuard

sorry guys, but it seems that this game is a bit too much for me... I feel bad when I gotta keep asking you guys for extensions, slowing the game down for the rest of you, and even than I hurry up my turns, not giving them enough time considering the size of my empire and the stage of the game, I feel that I'm starting to lose it just because I'm not investing enough time in it. and now that the 2nd semester in the university is almost over, the exams are waiting just ahead and I have some catching up to do in there as well...

well, I tried to help you guys out with a sub, but I'm afraid you're going to need to look for 1 again, sorry

oh and I did send in my turn now, not perfect but enough to let you guys continue the next turn and look for another sub in the meantime... have fun in your game while it lasts, and it's not as over as you made me believe Grudge, Kailasa's position is not as strong as the graphs show and both you(Arco), Abysia and perhaps another nation, maybe even Ermor, still have a chance too...

[Aethyr]

GB I can sub if you guys want to continue.

[GrudgeBringer]

Ok men, we got lucky!!

We got a very capable player as a sub and understands big games.

He will start right away so I am extending this turn so he can get a grasp on it and will answer any questions honestly that he asks (well, not secrets..lol).

Squirrel, I hope you will continue now, let me know. Buckle up boys, this will be a fight to the end.

WELCOME AETHYR

[Squirrelloid]

I still have an army capable of doing some damage. When that ceases to be true, I doubt i'll have much left.

[GrudgeBringer]

I have changed the E-mail address and resent the turn.

I will let him look it over and give him latitude on timing of next turn.

Thanks for holding the Fort BlackGuard...you did well but life (and school) DOES get in the way!!

[Aethyr]

Hi guys. I'm taking a look at the latest turn now.

I've also taken the time to read the thread, and I saw some discussion about what should be done about the water provinces that Kailasa took early on. These sites (6) are still populated and generating approx.600gp & 6 gems/turn. Please let me know what you would like to see done about this.

I gather that Kailasa is at war with...everyone? :) But, I'd rather not make any assumptions, so please PM me and let me know about any NAP/other agreements that I should be aware of.

I should be able to get the next turn off as scheduled, but if I need a bit more time I'll let you know.

A.

[GrudgeBringer]

aaarrrggghhhhh, Thanks for being so astute...

This game was supposed to be NO WATER expansion OR water travel.

If there are forts can we just set them to destroy (I have heard of it but never done it)? If we all chip in a D gem a turn (I am pretty low) I can send Ghost Riders to knock them out after that.

Any other ideas?

[GrudgeBringer]

I will be leaving Friday afternoon to play Rugby in Indy.

Depending on the turn and when its due, I will be extending it until Monday Morrning (although I get in Suday night and depending on the time, may get it done then.

[Aethyr]

Gentlemen,

I apologize, but I'm going to need a 24 hour extension on the current turn.

Thanks

[GrudgeBringer]

Since I was going to extend it tomorrow anyway, I have extended it till Monday as I am leaving town (see post above).

Have a good weekend gentlemen:up:

[GrudgeBringer]

Gentlemen, it looks like we may have lost Abysia (I am not sure of the whole situation but Frozen Lama may have retired).

Squirrelloid has gamely hung in there and would not quit on his own till Hell freezes over, but I think rather than hunt for another sub, if Abysia IS not viable that we begin to thing about perhas calling this a game.

I don't think there can be a winner declared (which is too bad) but I am willing to listen to any one that has an opinion.

I must say, this has been a really fun game and for me it was just getting exciting, but without Abysia it will fall on hard times.

Thanks Aethyr for subbing and trying to figure out what 2 other people before you was trying to do.

I learned one BIG thing this game....NEVER..EVER cast rain of stones twice in the same battle when you have the bigger force on the field:doh:.

I am going to delay this game until I hear from you guys in the forum so we can all see what everyone thinks.

[Squirrelloid]

Frozen still exists and will play his games, but you'll have to conduct diplomacy on IRC or the more-Sombre forums (http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?act=SC&c=1) if you want to talk with him.

[GrudgeBringer]

OK...lets keep going

[Aethyr]

Indeed. Although it is my fate to preside over the demise of the monkey kingdom, I'm having fun with it.

Maybe if I have time I'll start a new thread to chronicle my attempts to stave off destruction at the hands of the evil all-nation alliance.
:D

[GrudgeBringer]

Frozen Lama sent me this as he would like to continue with the game also. However, due to the recent Bruha he has been banned for the time being.

So that he can post and coordinate with each of us, he would like to move this thread (not the game) to a new site that has sprung up. I have been receiving messages from there and I find it actually very easy.

I have known him for a long time and I vote YES. I don't want to put words in anybody elses mouth but I believe Argatha (squirrelloid) will also vote yes. I believe this game is going to end up as a very interesting game as alliances keep changing and players are almost down and out...and the next time you look they have doubled there Provinces.

Anyway, this is from Frozen Lama copied directly from his message to me asking to move the forum. I will need your views ASAP please so we can get this changed without a hassle.

Sent to GrudgeBringer from Frozen Lama 5/5/10

Well i will need you to post in the thread basically what i say here. feel free to change it as you see fit:

First off let me say that i certainly did act rashly in the heat of the moment. my only plug here is that a temp ban would have stopped me.

Anyways, I am moving the game thread to the new forums basically because i do not wish to do anything connected to the shrapnel boards.

This thread will of course still be open, but for news, diplomacy, and extension requests i would like them to come on the new forums. This is a great game with many turns left, and there is no way i am going to miss it. I will copy the OP into the new forums and update the nation lists. just go into the multiplayer subforum and look for landlubber.

I know its a hassle to look at two forums, but i hope you will work with me. Only four of us left really anyways.

Thank you all for the great game and understanding

[Aethyr]

GB, whatever you guys want to do is OK with me.

[GrudgeBringer]

Frozen Lama and I both will be out of town this weekend from Friday thru Monday, I will be leaving around 1 PM Friday.

The turn is due Thursday I believe so we won't have that much of an extension. Frozen Lama has his in and I will have mine in soon.

[GrudgeBringer]

New turn has come in and I have to leave today instead of tomorrow. Turn is extended ubtil Monday but will get it done as soon as I get back...Have a good weekend guys:up:

[GrudgeBringer]

It is Friday afternoon and I am back. I drove to Tulas and got rained out at 6 AM this morning, so I turned around and drove back.

Lama is still out of town though so the extension will stay in effect. I didn't notice it extended it till weds so I am shotting for Monday if we can to get all the turns in.

[Aethyr]

Will do.

[GrudgeBringer]

Aethyr has requested a 48 hr extension as he is going out of town on Business. It is Granted, he will get the turn in earlier if possible.

Which brings up another item...Memorial day is next weekend (last weekend in may) in the USA. It is usually a time when people travel and I would expect there will be extensions for that weekend.

Lets try and get in the most current turn so we have a fresh turn to work on over that weekend.:up:

[GrudgeBringer]

Gents,

I am leaving Friday AM to play ball in Reno for the Memorial day weekend (for those ourside the USA it is a big travel weekend). Since the turn just came in there won't be much of a delay, but I will be extending it until Tuesday.

I more than likely will have it almost done by tonight and will finish it up Monday.

Everyone have a safe and peaceful Memorial day and remember those that arn't with us anymore.

[GrudgeBringer]

Gentlemen,

Being in 3 end game matches, the middle of Rugby and Softball seasons (traveling every other week), work and family is taking its toll on my quality of turns and the amount of time I have to spend on them.. I would like to add 24 hours to the turns. I can try 12 but 24 would be better.

Your opinions please:up:

[Aethyr]

I would not mind a slower pace so that everyone can get their turns in w/o rushing.

[Squirrelloid]

Whatever, just actually finish killing me please.

[GrudgeBringer]

I am off to play Minn this weekend (sorry guys it is what I do). If we get this turn in I won't have to extend it and we can get a new turn that I mAY extend 24 hours as I don't get back till late Sunday night.

[GrudgeBringer]

I tis 6 AM and I am leaving for Minn.

There are 6 hours left for Kalisia and Ermor to get there turns in and I have not had a petition for an extension there will be none unless you can get ahold of Frozen Lama on the other site as ge is co-admin. Have a good weekend and see you when I get back!!

[Aethyr]

GB--

I need a 24 hour extension please. Thanks

[GrudgeBringer]

Because of the Holiday in the states (errrrr, sorry British cousins:p) we will be extending game 36 hours:up:

[GrudgeBringer]

I just saw a post in the other forum anout victory conditions...

Well, if Arco can last past turn 75, then HE wins is a good victory condition I would guess.

But in lieu of that I really never made one...I have always been in favor of last man standing or concession.

Since there is only a few of us left , if you want to suggest one...please do.

(personally, I like the Arco one):p

[Aethyr]

Ermor's too big to be allowed to stale four turns in a row, especially when the need to find a sub's been acknowledged.

What's up?

[PriestyMan]

basically, our chances of finding a sub are tiny. unless we find someone really willing to put in the time like calahan or something, i highly doubt us finding one. in all honesty i don't know what to do. If squirrelloid wants to quit playing, we could just let him and agartha stale, and say whoever wins the war in the north wins, or we could put the game on hiatus till we miraculously find a sub. setting AI is another option, but isn't really fair to kailasa.

[Aethyr]

Well, for what it's worth, I'd have to give the edge to you at this point, I made a few crutial miscalclations to be sure, but from what I can tell you've played a heck of a game.

[PriestyMan]

well from i really rough start, its sure been a long game for me, and i'm proud of being alive and well this late into the game. but obviously, i am maybe tied for second with ermor atm, although hopefully me and arco can bring you down. I have a lot of stored up power, but the game is clearly not finished, unless you are weaker than you look. I plan on writing my EA aby guide once we finish this.

but i really would like to know what your guy's opinion is on the situation........ i assume that's not a concession offer aethyr, unless that's what you meant.

[ghoul31]

Ermor is still in a good position. It shouldn't be hard to find a sub

[PriestyMan]

Its not the quality. its the time commitment to a game that a person didn't start on and having to figure out wtf the previous player was doing, and everything else. I have subbed into a position very similar to the one ermor is in, and i know that it is not an easy thing to do. if we do find one, awesome though. in fact, ghoul you could take it if you want, and set marv AI.

[GrudgeBringer]

OK, guess I have been asleep...

What is going on with ermor? I have not heard from FL in a while (abysia), and if it isn't abysia, ermor, or Kalisia...who else is left that is a threat?

[GrudgeBringer]

Who did PriestyMan sub for and when? I know I am just the admin but I feel like I have lost control of what the hell we are doing...:confused:

[Squirrelloid]

Honestly, I've been ready to be done with this game for like 30 turns, but no one will oblige me! (Admittedly, I don't die without a fight...).

[GrudgeBringer]

Squirrel,

Go ahead and set your nation to AI...

You have done everything you can in this game and besides, just clicking your turn and taking up your time there is no reason to continue.

Thank you for playing and I don't think anyone here or anyone who knows you would say you 'quit' on this game.

Thanks agian for staying so long:up:

[Aethyr]

i assume that's not a concession offer aethyr, unless that's what you meant.
No, no concession offer, just giving credit where's it due. :)

I think the outcome is definately in doubt, but I get the feeling that, depending on how alliances form and shift, we could be playing for a while without a clear victor.

When I first took over it took me a *long* time to just figure out what my predecessors were doing, and try to evolve a strategy of my own out of it. I think Ermor is still in a strong position, but anyone taking over woulde have to go through a simular transition.

I'm still game if folks want to coninue playing, but we really would need to find a sub for Ermor.

[Aethyr]

Honestly, I've been ready to be done with this game for like 30 turns, but no one will oblige me! (Admittedly, I don't die without a fight...).
Squirrelloid, you are a stubborn one. I would have loved to oblige you, but it was just not conducive to any long term strategy that I could think of. :)

[GrudgeBringer]

1. Are we trying to get a sub for Ermor?

2. I am leaving town to play in Nashville Thursday Morning and returning Monday. I will try and get a turn in but if I stale it really is no big deal for one turn. I have given PriestyMan the password if someone needs an extension or has a problem.

Better decide what you want to do with Ermor if he is staling.:confused:

[PriestyMan]

Well i haven't found anyone who wants to sub into the position. and nobody responded to the offer of ignoring them. ghoul or squirrelloid could take over even if they wanted, but i honestly don't know what to do.

[Ragnars Wolves]

Squirrel, how about it...

Want another shot at the title as Ermor?

Ghoul, your also invited to take it over.

Someone make a decision or I will make one when I get back.:(

[Ragnars Wolves]

Sorry for the confusion guys, I am GrudgeBringers Stepson and he was over here showing me a couple of things and saw a post he said he needed to answer. I guess he forgot he would show up as me, so if you have a response to him please send it to him as I rarely see him or read ongoing game posts as I usually play SP.

Thank you

[GrudgeBringer]

Ahhh, I see he beat me to it. He plays SP although I have been trying to get him involved in MP (he says it is too slow).

Anyway, what I wrote on his comp still stands, I am leaving Thursday morning and will not be back till Monday afternoon.

In the meantime I believe I will take my comp in for some work while I am gone and if it works as it usually does....it won't be done when I get back for a couple of days. If I stale, don't worry about it or hold the game up unless your already doing it to find an ermor sub.

Remember priestyman has the admin code if you need something.

[Aethyr]

Let's delay hosting until GB gets back on Monday. If we have not found a sub by then we can make a decesion about what should happen.

[GrudgeBringer]

Ok, sounds good to me....I will set it forward now.

[GrudgeBringer]

I have extended the turn 96 hours my turn is already in so priestyman you are the one that is the gatekeeper.

In 10 minutes I will be unhooking my Comp to take it to the doctor so I will be off line and for once i will NOT be checking in as I really do want a vacation.

I might call my Stepson and ask him to look in on the forum (if he will) and anything I had to say would come thru Ragnar.

But at the moment with Atheyr, Priesty, and Squirrel, I don't see why you would need me and I abstain from any vote.

Have a great weekend and root for us to bring back a National Championship in SPA.:up:

[chrispedersen]

Good Luck Grudge.

[Aethyr]

Have a great vacation Grudge.

[GrudgeBringer]

I'm back....3rd place (Bah!!).

What are we going to do with this game gentlemen:confused:

[Aethyr]

GB, I honestly don't know. It seems that seems that we have come to a halt with no real viable way to continue. A couple of ideas have been thrown on the table, but afaik there have been no takers.

[GrudgeBringer]

Well, there is nothing worse than trying to piecemeal a game together...

If we are going to keep posponing it and can't find a sub I suggest we declare exhaustion and let the game die an honorable death.

I must admit I have someowhat lost intrest in it as we are just waiting as now that Ermor has deserted us we are very unbalanced.

I need some input in the way of votes. If you don't have a Yes or No to letting the game die, please don't vote.

Personally, Rugby season has started and softball is ending. I will be in Vail for a week around the 14th of August at a Rugby Tourney and then agian the middle of September for a week in Aspen, followed by Phoenix etc. I would play but I vote to let it die simply because I will become a liability also I am afraid.:(

[Squirrelloid]

Die die die.

Ok, that's just a wish for my own nation, but I suppose by extension the game =)

[Aethyr]

Let it die.

[GrudgeBringer]

Thats 3 for exiting a fun game that unfortunately had 2major forces desert us.

I will extend the turn and see if Priestyman or any of the others that are left have any input.

If there are no other votes, I will kill the game on Thursday.

I don't anticipate any resistance so I will say my thanks now.

Aethyr, Thank you for taking over a sprawling nation and having the sense to let it shrink up some spo you could run it well. BTW, it was good to see you agian my friend, it has been to long.

Squirrelloid.... What do I say except than you for sticking around (you hard headed 'ol' warhorse) and for also taking Argatha which i am sure will become one of your favorite nations in the future!! Seriously, I didn't have much contact but you took that nation and almost turned the corner (If they hadn't all jumped you) Good job!!

Priestyman, Thank you for letting me in on some of the secrets to Abysia and watching you play. You always seem to come up with a good strategy for your nation.


And thanks to Ghoul and the rest of you that are left for sticking around till the very end. I am stuck up in the top cornor and had no contact with any of you but you did a great job.

Fun game and I look forward to seeing you all agian after the season ends!!:up:

[PriestyMan]

ok, here's my comments. sorry for taking so long. i just hate to seet his die, yet i know its probably the only option.

First of all, this is as good or better than any Dom3 game i have ever played. i had an amazingly fun early war with ulm, back and forth till the end. later, i won some good battles agaisnt agartha and ermor, and was doing well vs kailasa. i managed to diversify well despite a restrictive E9N4D2 pretender.

but i'm afraid it has to die. i've subbed into postions similar to ermors, and i know how hard it is to do. Aethyr was very brave to take on the sub position he did.

anyways, thank you all for the game.

[GrudgeBringer]

Well, we just heard from the forth big nation, and I also had a very good time. I don't know if there is more parity in these games or what but this is the 3rd game in the last 2 months that has died because we were approching 100 turns with no clear winner and someone bail.

To all that stayed....and subbed, I could have predicted (except maybe for me)that you would be around at the end. Thanks all my friends, it is always a pleasure to play with you guys.:up:

The game is about to die an honorable death in about 10 minutes.:(

[Aethyr]

This was indeed an enjoyable game and I appreciated having an opportunity to join and mix it up against a group of very tough opponents. Kudos to all that stayed, and thanks to GB and PM for handling all of the admin stuff.

I hope we get a chance to play again real soon.