Ritual of Rebirth on a Chayot

[Diabl0658]

During one of my multiplayer games I made discovery concerning chayots. If you ritual of rebirth one they get all their magic paths in one form, and become a level 8 priest! Is this supposed to happen?

[FAJ]

It should be a level 8 priest in all its forms.

If ritual of rebirthed, it may just lose its special tags of Magic -4 and X-path +4. It has all 4 paths to begin with, and the different forms subtract 4 from all paths (including holy), while adding in the particular forms path.

So I guess it makes sense, game-mechanic wise. I don't know why they wouldnt just give each form 4 in their path instead of giving all 4 all the time and then removing them.

[vfb]

Oh, you really need to make him your Prophet, so he gets H11. Any time you can turn it up to 11, it's gotta be good. I wonder if you'll hit yourself by accident if you try to cast Banishment.

[chrispedersen]

I believe you can hit yourself, but I think it has the enemy only mask.

[thejeff]

Does it? I think I've seen priests banishing their own undead while aiming for the enemy.

[FAJ]

Wouldn't prophetizing him only turn him up to 9?

Not very metal :(

[Sombre]

Doesn't have enemy only mask.

I don't think they had any choice but to go (+4 x -4 all) for each of the forms. A S4 guy who shapechanges into a D4 guy won't end up with just D4. You have to do it using boosts (which can be to specific paths) and an overall malus (which can only be overall iirc, specific ones don't work properly).

I would consider the use of this to be an exploit. I'm sure Foodstamp, K and others would consider it to be a balancing part of the game which if removed due to people whining, would diminish their enjoyment.

[thejeff]

Vaguely related Chayot question: Is a Chayot vulnerable to Magic Duel in all forms? If so, what astral level is it treated as?

[Sir_Dr_D]

What is a chayot? I am assuming this is a unique summon for one of the nations.

[Trumanator]

For Ashdod, but any nation can wish for one.

[Sombre]

Vaguely related Chayot question: Is a Chayot vulnerable to Magic Duel in all forms? If so, what astral level is it treated as?

Good question. I have not tested this, but am 99% confident he is immune unless he's in his astral form.

Obviously even if he wasn't immune, magic dueling him would just knock him over to the next form, so he'd still be hard as all getout to kill.

[Aethyr]

This reminds me of a question I've been meaning to ask. If a non astral mage is empowered to have astral is it subjec to magic duel?

[Tollund]

Of course, since the mage now has astral magic. Empowerment isn't a special case. It just gives a commander a new magic path.

[Redeyes]

I guess the easy solution would be to give the Chayot magic 1 in the paths and a malus of one, instead of the current stats. The ressurected chayot would then have 1 in each of the four paths - though this wouldn't solve the holy issue.

[Sajuuk]

I guess the easy solution would be to give the Chayot magic 1 in the paths and a malus of one, instead of the current stats. The ressurected chayot would then have 1 in each of the four paths - though this wouldn't solve the holy issue.

Then magic duel would be it's nemesis——a S3 mage would duel it multiple times gladly:D

[chrispedersen]

if you give it an astral booster I believe it is vulnerable to magic duel.

The problem is.. winning 5 astral duels.. is unlikely unless you are really top end.

[thejeff]

I'd be surprised by that, since boosters don't normally affect magic duel. Would it be dueling as 4, 0 or 1?

I'll try to experiment when I have time.

[chrispedersen]

4, I suspect. But I'd love it if the answer were 1.

[Gregstrom]

Who wouldn't? LotNS plus magic duel FTW! Even if they don't boost their Chayot in S, it's toast...