Lord of Rebirth Miscarriage with Twiceborn

[sansanjuan]

So.. by means of unmitigated idiocy (weeping and gnashing of teeth here (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=44282&page=9) ) My woefully unprepared Lord of Rebirth ends up going toe to toe with the Eater of Dreams. He loses. Oh well... I have twiceborn on and I'm in my on Dominion.... but he doesn't show up back at my cap! What's up with that? I swear I've used it successfully on a Crone before. Might it be because he died from a horror effect? I think was also tagged with cursed luck at the time (pic attached.. never seen it before and never want to again). Holler if I'm just missing something simple about twiceborn. Logfile is attach too.
-ssj

--- last two lines (log search showed no mention of "twiceborn")
damage 9999 on Lord of Rebirth, spec0x0 ba0
looseallitems: cnr 731(Kilter) unr 9905

[sansanjuan]

Log file was too big. RAR'ed
-ssj

[Makinus]

There was frindly dominion in the place of the battle? If i remember correctly twiceborn only works if the unit dies in a friendly dominion (i. e. at least 1 candle).

[Sombre]

I think special battles and assassinations take place outside of all dominion.

[WingedDog]

I think special battles and assassinations take place outside of all dominion.

Nah, I just reprodused the situation.
Horrormarked Lord of Rebirth in friendly dominion, with twiceborn cast, under Dome of Corruption got killed by Hunter of Heroes and was revived as wight (to get killed very same turn by 2 lesser horrors:)).

[cleveland]

The Lord of Rebirth has to approve all requests for Rebirth.

[vfb]

I think special battles and assassinations take place outside of all dominion.

Nah, I just reprodused the situation.
Horrormarked Lord of Rebirth in friendly dominion, with twiceborn cast, under Dome of Corruption got killed by Hunter of Heroes and was revived as wight (to get killed very same turn by 2 lesser horrors:)).

I looked at the debug output and it's kind of weird. The god dies to the 999-damage "swallow your soul" attack, then takes a couple more hits. He's dead, but the battle runs for one more turn, and his sword aura tries to damage him and the Eater. Then the god is just deleted from the battlefield. Looks like some kind of bug with the "Soul Eating" attack most likely.

[sansanjuan]

I think special battles and assassinations take place outside of all dominion.

Good to know... :hurt:

Thanks all for looking into it.
-ssj

[nordlys]

I had a similar case when one of the Kindly Ones slain a twiceborned Gyjga of mine in the capitol. Gyjga was never reborn as well.

I think special battles and assassinations take place outside of all dominion.

This could explain no twiceborn firing, but it doesn't sound right at all. Particularly for plain assassinations. How could a commander's bedroom be outside the god's dominion? Disputable for special attacks like those happening within some dreamscape, depends on the context I guess.

[sansanjuan]

I think special battles and assassinations take place outside of all dominion.

Nah, I just reprodused the situation.
Horrormarked Lord of Rebirth in friendly dominion, with twiceborn cast, under Dome of Corruption got killed by Hunter of Heroes and was revived as wight (to get killed very same turn by 2 lesser horrors:)).

Just read this more closely.
I had 5 white candles in the prov where I was attacked and had no second attack sequence. Perhaps WAD for the soul consumption as v found in the log.

C- it is a bit ironic isn't it. One can imagine some low level bureaucrat at the dept of rebirth...
"I'm sorry sir but the paperwork has no provision for you to signoff on your own rebirth..."
ssj

[thejeff]

But you didn't have 5 candles in the province where the fight took place.

It was your pretender, right? Look at the battle again. Check his dominion bonuses? Not current HP, but the others should track the actual dominion.

Assassinations and other special battles do not take place in the province the character is in. That's why you can't survive retreating. There's nowhere to retreat to. It's sort of a hack to give the fight somewhere to happen.
Never thought about it before, but I'd assume temperature and magic scales don't affect the special province either. I don't think there's any way to detect the other scales.

[sansanjuan]

I think special battles and assassinations take place outside of all dominion.

Nah, I just reprodused the situation.
Horrormarked Lord of Rebirth in friendly dominion, with twiceborn cast, under Dome of Corruption got killed by Hunter of Heroes and was revived as wight (to get killed very same turn by 2 lesser horrors:)).

Winged
Could you post your log file ? Seems to be some confusion here..
Ssj

[WingedDog]

I had already overwritten that game, but you can make test yourself using debug mod, it would take 5 minutes.

Nevertheless: results of my test display that horror attack isn't supposed to affect on unit's revival. My Lord of Rebirth was successfully revived as a wight.

Alright, hold on, I'll make another test, but you'll still need debug mod to read turn file.

[WingedDog]

Here it is. Check.

damage 1003 on Lord of Rebirth, spec0x21080 ba2
Immortal/Twiceborn Lord of Rebirth perished
twiceborn resurected

[thejeff]

Can you tell from the battle what the dominion is during battle?
Is it the same strength as the province?

[sansanjuan]

All the assassination/domain stuff would have significant bearing on immortals in friendly domain. Also, is the assassination domain dependent on the type eg earth attack, ashen angel but perhaps not seeking arrow or mind hunt?
Ssj

[thejeff]

If the assassination domain things exists at all, it would only be for actual battles. That's the only time the target is in that fake province. Seeking arrow & Mind Hunt don't cause battles, so existing dominion would be used.

[chrispedersen]

Isnt' this relatively easy to prove?
IF its a dom neutral place, assassinating an immortal should always result in death.

Does it?

[thejeff]

Even easier. Though not quite the same.
I just checked an attack by a disease demon in one game. The attack took place in friendly dominion, since the target mage had +1 morale. The province was also cold 3 and both units had +2 encumbrance from severe cold.

[Swan]

maybe the Lord was resurrected and attacked again by the Eater of dreams, the game made confusion between the two battles so it only showed the first? that could explain the battle lasting longer than expected and the Lord taking one more hit

[sansanjuan]

maybe the Lord was resurrected and attacked again by the Eater of dreams, the game made confusion between the two battles so it only showed the first? that could explain the battle lasting longer than expected and the Lord taking one more hit

Possibly, but one would think the word "twiceborn" would appear somewhere in the log.
-ssj

[sansanjuan]

Followup.....
Kilter, The Lord of Rebirth (now called "Horror Marked Hank") was God called back and... still has his twiceborn active.

On another note

Slave to Unreason..
Also thought I would share this bad boy pic (attached) from my last turn. Perhaps the nastiest Horror I've encountered. Blood Vengance 7 and lots of very wicked attacks. Does not play well with others. Also bears a faint resemblance to something I stepped on at the beach once.