Mind Blade - Multiera Random nations (started)

[Torin]

So i need more than 1 PBEM going.
Another game same mods. Random nations (any nation because its multiera)
game mindblade (http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=mindblade) at llamaserver

:ham:Mods
:pointright:Single age Complete (original mod) (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6299&d=1212179279)
:pointright: CBM 1.6 (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=43949)
:pointright: Streamers & Standards (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=39989)

:world:Map
Alexander (no sites) (http://dom3maps.wikidot.com/system:alexander)
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/uploads/573516-Alexander%20Thumb.png


:argue:Diplomacy
Treaties are private & exclusive inside the signers.
An other option is to make it public in the thread when it's signed to avoid future discussions if theres a pact-break you have some record.

No special conditions or house rules
if you are playing for fun (and to win the game) you are welcome.


:aol:Players
(Names are actually links tought to private message regarding diplomacy)

Torin (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/member.php?u=9614) - MA TienCHi
SciencePro (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/member.php?u=25100) - MA Machaka
ghoul31 (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/member.php?u=24578) - MA Rlieh
GameExtremist (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/member.php?u=8784) - MA Marignon
Asophos (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/member.php?u=10270) - LA Pangaea
yandav (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/member.php?u=9224) - MA Mictlan
Cicero (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/member.php?u=35099) - LA Rlieh
Alpine Joe (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/member.php?u=10339) - MA Caelum
sansanjuan (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/member.php?u=9703) - MA Arcoscephale
Digress (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/member.php?u=8795) - MA Pangaea
Slobby (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/member.php?u=9594) - LA Pythium
Kref (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/member.php?u=30281) - EA Pangaea
Sir_Dr_D (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/member.php?u=8326) - LA Jomon
Hadrian_II (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/member.php?u=8228) - EA Ctis

[SciencePro]

I'd like to join.

Question about diplomacy: are agreements considered binding or non-binding?

[Torin]

i guess non-binding if i understand that right.
its advised to make it public if you worry about the other signer.
You can make it secret too.

I try to make the game as simple as possible.

[ghoul31]

I'll join

[GameExtremist]

count me in!

[cleveland]

How big of a game are you thinking? I'd consider a medium-ish game, ~12 players, if that's what you had in mind.

[Torin]

12 its ok. But the more the better.

[Apsophos]

I'd like to join.

[yandav]

I'd be happy to join this game but I won't be able to play from 17/02 to 22/02. Feel free to tell me if that bothers you.

[Torin]

No problem at all

[Cicero]

I'm in

[Alpine Joe]

I would like to play in this.

[sansanjuan]

I'll give it a go.
ssj

[Digress]

I would like to play.

[Slobby]

Sign me up please!

[Kref]

I'm in.

[Sir_Dr_D]

Sign me up.

[Torin]

Seems like no one else wants to join.
I rolled nations.

Have to choose map still.:pc:

[Digress]

We are Pangaea-rich !

[Apsophos]

Two R'lyeh's in the sea, all Pangaeas... Nice line-up.

[Torin]

Yandav cant play since today till 22/2. So i have time to check maps & pretender design.
Any suggestions on map are welcome

[Kref]

Maybe, we can try a standart map "Aleksander"?

[Torin]

The size fits well...

[Digress]

Bump.

[Torin]

game created. Awaiting pretenders.

[Hadrian_II]

Is it still possible to join in? if it is i would like to join :)

great timing :/

[Torin]

sure. but i cant roll nation for you now. have to wait till i get home.

[Hadrian_II]

ok, thx

[Torin]

nevermind. Rolled a random number from 1-72 and you got 10

Ctis - Lizard Kings

[GameExtremist]

Bump! Upload Pretenders people!

[Torin]

since theres only 9 pretenders uploaded i think Ill just change the map and start just the 9 of us.

[Sir_Dr_D]

I will be able to upload my pretender tomorrow. The beginning part of the week is just a hard time for me to get the pretender uploaded. (It is the most important turn of them all.)

[sansanjuan]

since theres only 9 pretenders uploaded i think Ill just change the map and start just the 9 of us.

I'll try to get mine in tonight.
-ssj

[Torin]

I guess were almost done with uploading pretenders.

[Kref]

Why we are playing with no sites?

[Torin]

No sites means no fixed sites as the original map.
For ex. Alexandria province always having a library.

So this setup is random sites as usual.

[Sir_Dr_D]

I have now sent my pretender. Sorry about the delay. It seems like everyone has sent theres. We should be good to go now.

[Torin]

Kickstarted

First turn long host, then 24hs till bigger turns are needed.

Ask for delays as earliest possible,
Dont Stale!

[Apsophos]

Argl, sorry for the stale, guys.

[Kref]

When we would continue playing?

[SciencePro]

we are waiting for llamabeast to update his server. not sure when that might be

[Apsophos]

Damn. Staled again. Could we increase the hosting interval please?

[Torin]

ok.

[Slobby]

To Wang Yu.

Your troop build up along the Tien Chi - Pythium border, ie. the ~300 troops in Lycia (173), and the ~160 troops in Cilicia (196), is very concerning to the Emerald Empire.

With your previous aggressive tendancies towards my people, it appears that you intend an all out invasion. Be warned that the Limitane of the Emerald Empire are prepared to fight, and I'm sure the international community will not look favorably upon your aggression.

[Torin]

Pythium should have thought better than sending armies so close to TienChis capital. Its not like our people is that passive.

[sansanjuan]

All,
ooc
Frozen Llama has graciously offered to sub for me starting next Friday for one week. This will make the wife most happy as she is not asmused by me taking Dom3 turns while on vacation (as I learned last year..)
-ssj

in context
Anyone wishing to aid tiny MA Arco against mighty Jomon would be welcome. All messengers and their messages will be entertained.
Arco Ministry of Propaganda

[Slobby]

Pythium should have thought better than sending armies so close to TienChis capital. Its not like our people is that passive.

Ha! The explorers of Pythium go boldly into the unknown! You make the assumption that our explorers knew that they were encroaching, and instead of parlaying like civilized people you instead took the newly conquered lands!

You're people appear to be wild dogs, and wild dogs need to be put down...

[sansanjuan]

Highest reasonable offer : gems ok, gold preferred. Creative financing available. Send messenger to Cap (PM) if interested.

-MA Arco Ministry of Useful but Unusable artifacts

[Torin]

You must send me a PM with frozen lama's email to change it in llamaserver

[yandav]

A little information: don't bother signing a treaty with EA Pangaea, he really doesn't care.

[Kref]

EA Pangaea cares somewhat about treaties, but about own survival it cares even more. We signed NAP with mictlans, but their behavior was too provoking. The barbarian invasion allowed them to take one of our provinces while our forces were elsewhere, then they took another neutral province same turn we invaded in it, after that mictlans were "smart" enough to build a temple and a castle in that province near our own castle. Overall, at our opinion mictlans invested too much on early rush on neutral lands (without thinking about interests of others), otherwise having somewhere two times as much lands as EA Pangaea at the beginning of our war they won't have so much trouble fighting us. The pitfull results of mictlans warfare against our forces shows that the division of lands between us and them was not fair. It would be a grave decision to allow mictlans have time to gather fruits from such rush, so EA Pans decided to attack, rather than loose any reasonable chances for winning in several months.

[SciencePro]

well its usually customary to give a 3-turn warning before breaking a NAP. That's what the "3" means in NAP-3.

[yandav]

We agreed on a NAP3, and I wasn't the one who made the offer!

[Zapmeister]

It's not "wrong" to break a NAP - you just need to understand and accept the consequences of doing it.

Those consequences are that people will know that you break NAPs, and be less inclined to trust the NAPs they've signed with you.

[Digress]

I am playing MA Pangaea and require a sub. I am having trouble finding one - if anyone here can think of a player out there who has an irrational need to get some relatively undemanding Pangaea-y [sp?] action - point them this direction as I can give them a short fix (3 or 4 turns max).

[Torin]

i will need a brake until monday because im going out of town

[Digress]

I will have the current turn in today and hope to be able to announce a sub to play MA Pangaea for the subsequent 2 or 3 turns.

[Kref]

2 Zapmeister: I understand the consequences, I am satisfied with them for now and I think I would be satisfied with them in future.

2 yandav: I made the offer, but I didn't thought you would wipe out strong neutrals which were much closer for me, than for you, also you should let me retake province that was taken by barbarians. At first months of war I invaded same provinces which I planned when I suggest NAP for you, in that time they were neutral, closer to me and well guarded. It's your rush saved many maenads from being killed by neutrals, it's you saved my money by building castle on land that was close to my borders when we signed pact. By too fast enclosing to my borders you saved my resourses and spent yours, and leaved me no logical choice but to spent my forses to attack your territories. Well, you've done well in case I would keep agreement - your faction would be one of the strongest, my one of the weakest. So I choosed a worse reputation than certain defeat. And I think that decision was predictable.

[Kref]

P.S. I think that I don't want reputation like "sign with him NAP and do completly anything, just don't invade his territory" anyway.

[Digress]

I may have found a sub for MA Pangaea.

Hopefully hosting will not need to be delayed over the course of next week - I have sent in the current turn.

[Digress]

Sub found

Septimius Severus will be subbing for MA Pangaea for the next 2 or 3 turns.

Thankyou Septimius.

[Torin]

Theres a problem here. All 3 pangaeas are called "pangaea"

[sansanjuan]

Theres a problem here. All 3 pangaeas are called "pangaea"

You may want to PM llamabeast. I think they has a workaround (from Kingmaker perhaps).
-ssj

[Torin]

Its done. next turn will be sent to septimius

[Digress]

MA Pangaea has returned to its previous management (me).

My public thanks to Septimius for generously agreeing to sub.

[Kref]

There would be holidays in my country soon. I wouldn't be able to sent turns from april 30 upto may 6. If there would be others bizy at this time I suggest to make a pause in the game, otherwise I ask to increase interval between turns in this period, I think it's possible to make one turn before this dates. I can ask my brother to make a turn but he won't spent much time doing it, also he is a far less experienced player than I.

[Apsophos]

There would be holidays in my country soon. I wouldn't be able to sent turns from april 30 upto may 6. If there would be others bizy at this time I suggest to make a pause in the game, otherwise I ask to increase interval between turns in this period, I think it's possible to make one turn before this dates. I can ask my brother to make a turn but he won't spent much time doing it, also he is a far less experienced player than I.

Or I can sub for you :cool:

[Torin]

I can pause it. I think its ok unless you find a sub.

[Kref]

I ask to make turns 24 hours longer from now on until I'll post that I'm here again (it would be on the next week). My brother will make turn or two for me.

[Torin]

ok. so instead of 48, 72?

[sansanjuan]

MA Arco bids Au revoir. Hats off to Jomon for handing me my hat :hurt:. I could not scratch his pretender but I did manage to give him more horror marks than Joan Rivers.


Never had a game where I was given two winged helmets on consecutive turns via random events. That took some sting off the turn 2 brigand event in my Cap. I'm a so so early expander at best and the brigand recession did not help. (Expansion went waaaay better in my practice game). Anyway, good luck all.
-ssj

[Digress]

Are we going to have to wait a week for LA Ryleh to stale for the 14th time ?

I vote for the forced host - unless I have the wrong Ryleh ...

[Slobby]

Are we going to have to wait a week for LA Ryleh to stale for the 14th time ?

I vote for the forced host - unless I have the wrong Ryleh ...

Beat me to it! Can this staling ryleh be set to ai??? Otherwise ya force host!

[Torin]

Kref asked for a pause until may 6. Hes Pangaea.

Ill force host and extend that until the 6th. I dont know wich one of the rliehs is stalling. Is not possible looking at the stale table. If someone knows tell me.

[Kref]

I've returned and ready to play as usual; thanks for the pause.

[Digress]

I think we could probably force host as Ryleh is staling again and is also out of the game (has no provinces left).

[Torin]

I think it lost already. I hope its the last turn of it.

[Digress]

I still think you can safely force host.

[Slobby]

And so it came to be.

The wild dog, aka the Ghost General amongst the peasantry, aka Wang Yu was finally mortally wounded and defeated by a small elite strike force hand picked by Hannibal himself!

No longer will the people of Pythium need to fear the T'ien Chi god, as he is now blinded, feeble minded, crippled, and most importantly dead. :hurt:

And what better time for such an event to occur than during the summer months long celebrated by the followers of the small sect of the Solar Bull. Truly now the sect has less of a hold on the peoples of Pythium as this tremendous event came about by the Lord of the Serpent Cult! :angel

On top of that there is also the resounding success of the newly created Hydra-Force-Delta who dominated a force fourteen times it's size! When news of that victory reached the capital the lively celebration already underway reached a frenzy! :party:

Truly the Summer of Fourth Year has been a glorious month for the people of Pythium! :D

[Apsophos]

I might be unable to send my turn in time, I'll try but can't be sure. Can I have some extension? (24h in case the unexpected gets bigger)

[Torin]

No problem

[Kref]

I think Torin can force hosting when only Jomon left. The fact that we always wait for Jomon and the speed (seen on the score graphs) with which Marington eats it clearly shows that Sir_Dr_D (player of Jomon) abandonded game for some time, thus he doesn't play according to Baalz good player pledge.

[Sir_Dr_D]

Sorry about that. I have been busy with things lately, and the time when the turns now host I find awkward. The last turn I submitted about 1 minute too late. I did not abandaded the game. I just put a lot of pressure on myself, and thus find doing turns stressfull, and delay doing turns. It was only the last turn where I staled.

I am mostly beaten in this game, but things are probaly too early yet to put things to AI. Still it is best if I do so. Sorry about that. Once I get home I will set myself to AI.

[Kref]

Sir_Dr_D, I am glad to see you are in game. Sorry for my accusation.

[GameExtremist]

Well sorry to see you go AI Dr D, but yes the turns do take some time to do, especially when you have a few games going and/or alot happening in real life.

Thanks for the interesting and challanging game so far, I have a new found respect for Jomon, and up to only a few turns ago didn't know how I was going to counter those nasty ethereal thugs of yours and thought I was going to be going down in quick order.

You easily countered everything I had earlier tried and certainly kept me on my toes.

Good Game ; )

[yandav]

I've set myself to AI. Good luck to everyone (except to EA Pangaea, of course).

[Kref]

I've set myself to AI. Good luck to everyone (except to EA Pangaea, of course).

Well, he is still on offence? Did I made something wrong? Just killed him... Would be pleased to do it again...

[Kref]

Mictlan leaved us, but he fought ferociosly.
His mages will stay for long in hall of fame - they killed much of my chaff, which tried to go through his sacreds and summons during assaults on his capital.

[Apsophos]

I'll need another 24 hour extension please. These week ends I tend to have little computer access.

[Torin]

ok. sure

[Hadrian_II]

C'tis has been crumbled under the unjustified aggression of T'ien Ch'i.
Their magic was too much for our skeletons.

[Torin]

GG Hadrian.
I justify counterattack however.

[Hadrian_II]

I justify counterattack however.

That is what YOU say :D

i did not expect such a strong defence, especially as you were at war with pythium, i was never able to get a hold on your empire, so it was just a matter of time until you won. But i think you have now some sick mages running around:)

[Torin]

No cure for the disease...

[ghoul31]

Trading Earth and nature gems for water gems

[SciencePro]

so my real life has become too busy for dominions and I have to retire. I have posted a sub ad to take over my nation.

[GameExtremist]

Well LA Pan 'forgot' about our NAP he claims and launched a full scale attack this turn.

: (

[Apsophos]

Two things.

First, I remembered there was one of my first nieghbours I had no NAP with and I was dead sure it was Marignon. This will teach me to check my MP history. I don't like to ba a backstabber, when EA Pan and I attacked Mictlan I formally broke the NAP whereas EA Pan didn't, and Mictlan's player rightfully complained.
Considering the game stated Diplomacy to be non-binding (well... "private" means I could claim we had no NAP and be right) and you lead the game in most aspects I will continue my attack, I'm sure you'll put these SCs to better use than mine.

Second, I'm leaving tomorrow until monday. In that time I will have absolutely no computer access and probably won't be able to play even monday. I would prefer to delay the game until tuesday night after this turn, which I'm playing right now, but you might prefer to find a sub temporary or permanent, to punish me for being a backstabber.
(for those interested, I'll be at Hellfest Open Air, www.hellfest.fr)

[Kref]

I also won't be able to play from night before friday up to tuesdays or maybe wensdays evening. I ask to make a pause up to the evening of wensday. If machaka and pithium would sent their turns really soon, then I would make a turn quickly enough and so concluding Apsophos would be able to make turn in tuesday I won't delay the game for long.

[GameExtremist]

THe turn should have hosted a few hours ago but Llamaserver is having technical difficulties at the moment, It'll sort out soon hopefully.

[Kref]

I suggest everyone to turn swords on Marington.
This nation has enourmos territories, excellent research, good access to astral magic, has already summoned many most powerfull creatures including two air qweens, king of elemental fire, djin, at least two seraphs and six angels of fury; he forged at least several unique artifacts. Leader of Marington is also a good commander.
So I suggest to eliminate Marington, sent it to higher spheres, earth is not a place where angels should be. In it's shine achivements of our nations do not look so good as they should.
If we won't eliminate Marington now, it would become only stronger and would have very good chances to eliminate everyone else.
So as main Marington forces are fighting with me right now, it's a good opportunity not only eliminate dreadfull opponent, but also to expand borders.

[GameExtremist]

Marignons side of the argument is this.

We came to the aid of Arco, fought and won a long and hard war against Jomon, nearing the end of the war when Jomon was broken and the victor (i.e. Me) was taking the spoils of her war EA pan starts taking Jomon undefended provinces...a cowardly and opportunistic move.

We sign a NAP with EA pan wanting a time of peace and fearing their masses (seriously theres thousands of them, look at the graph) which he agreed to...this was a ruse to bring his full armies to our border, he then cancels our NAP and attacks...no doubt expecting his mass rush tactics that worked so well against Mictlan and Pythium to work.....We gave him the chance to reconsider...but hellbent on war he attacked.

He now realises that his armies of chaff are no match for my forces.

I'm sure if you look earlier in this thread you will see he broke a NAP with Mictlan without warning.

Basically EA pan has no honour and his words is worthless, if you would associate yourself with such a nation, then do not cry foul when he backstabs when it is to his advantage.

LA pan is not much better, having a long standing NAP (since March 12th) we believed all was well, we could coexist peacefully, he then launchs a join attack with EA pan. "Forgetting" a NAP is no defense or excuse for such a heinous and dishonourble action.

Now I call the other worthy nations TC, MA pan, Machaka and Ryleh to stand against these nations....If Marignon were to fall their empowered nations would target one of you to gank next.

At least with Marignon you know where you stand and know a pact is a pact.

(OOC - All in good fun other players - the battles are intesting and fun to say the least :) )

[Kref]

Marington position is clean - he wants to live.
Before considering joining Marington or even not fighting him, anyone may look at Marington's gem income. It's clear that Marington is capable of summoning a seraph or 5 angels of fury per two turns. If you think that this is a lesser threat for your existance then masses of chaff when all spells are learned, then there is a wisdom in Marington's words.
I could expand much easily if I choosed some other nation, for example Machaka, but it's a suicide tactic in long terms.

One other thing - Marington lies when he sais that I brought masses of armies to his border and then canceled pact. I canceled pact, then brought considerable armies to his borders. I and Marington both concentrated forces on board a turn before war could start according to NAP. He also mistakes speaking that I thought he would be an easy target - I just know that also he is a hard target, he is much softer now than he would be after some time.

[Kref]

We also can understand the sorry of Marington that he couldn't get all Jomon territories. We see it in words "cowardly" and "opportunistic" )
P.S. Reasons of Jomon's death are simple - Marington is strong in late game, so Jomon should have killed Marington much early if he wanted to live. We shouldn't make the same mistake.
P.S.S. Also, considerable amount of my chaff depends on a global spell, so eventually someone can destroy it with other enchantment. This is one more reason to attack Marington now, while this chaff is on him.

[Apsophos]

I'm back.
Let's plan more fun battles.

[GameExtremist]

Can we get Machaka set to AI?

[Apsophos]

Two things.
First, I'll be out of town until monday, I'm playing this turn now, can we delay the hosting of next one? Also I won't be able to change my orders, which leads me to the next point :
Second, well, Arcane Nexus. Never encountered it in a game but I remember that one turn of nexus activity is enough to recast it with more excess gems it should be impossible to dispel again.
As I will be away, I won't be able to contribute gems to a dispel caster if you want to dispel it. While I'm away, if you guys agree on casting dispel with as much gems as possible, you could send your gems to me.

Oh also I think this means total war agains Marignon. Let's make him use those piles of gems. (as if he was gem-poor to begin with)

[GameExtremist]

Oh also I think this means total war agains Marignon. Let's make him use those piles of gems. (as if he was gem-poor to begin with)

Thats interesting, considering you and your ally (EA Pan) pledged a ceasefire only two turns ago?

I knew I shouldn't have trusted anything you said...not after the backstabbing that was our NAP earlier.

I'd say my global simply matches the four globals that you and EA have up - 2 chaff generating spells + Gift of health + well of misery.

Considering all the tarts you've been sending at me I need all the help I can get.

[Kref]

GameExtremist, you are funny to compare arcane nexus with existing globals. Perhaps you are too greedy.
If arcane nexus will be dispelled sucsessfully and you will take obligation not to cast it again - then I think I will follow our agreement.
Otherwise I have no other choice but to exterminate you with help of others.

[GameExtremist]

Well it seems I'm going to be ganked by the other nations, should be some entertaining battles ahead!

I'll go down fighting!

[Kref]

GameExtremist spent quite a time speaking about me and LA Pan breaking NAPs.
Now he said to me that he would dispell his arcane nexus, but didn't do it.
I made him a favor, I could just follow quite reasonable Apsophos suggestion to attack Marington right after he casted his enchantment, but I made to that fool a favor to honor my peace agreement with him.
So, Marington not only unable to keep his agreements, but he is also unreasonably greedy and quite unable of cooperation with others.
I thought that Tien Chi and MA Pans should be destroyed before Marington for their unability to cooperate against common threat - they didn't help me and Apsophos to in our attack on Marington in first time (I think now they see that my suggestion for them was right even more then I thought).
But now I see I was misjudging. Marington is unreasonable beast that should be shot on sight, so let us all utterly destroy it.

P.S. Yes, GameExtremist, if you thoughgt I won't sent my gems to Apsophos then you mistaked - I prefer to be ready to any situation.

[GrudgeBringer]

Interesting posts gentlemen. If you don't mind, I think I will lurk on your thread and see how this comes out as I hear the call to arms blaring loudly.

BTW, if you need someone set to AI just PM me and I will do it this evening when I get home from playing ball.:up:

[Torin]

Thanks Grudgebringer. Im posponing 24 hs so Asophos dont stale.

[GameExtremist]

As I said in our last communique EA Pan - "See you on the battlefield"

Where once were pristine and wild untouched forests, Marignon will bring fiery inquisition and scorched earth.

[Digress]

Could I please get a 12 hour extension for the current turn ?

Haven't had a chance to look at the turn yet at won't get back home early enough to get it done tomorrow night.

[GameExtremist]

I assume everyone else recieved the same message that caused mass stale?

Hi. On trying to host mindblade just now, Dominions crashed. This is not a LlamaServer issue, but rather Dominions itself crashed with a "Nagot gick fel" error.

These errors are normally caused by a (generally inexplicable) problem with one of the players' 2h files. Therefore the LlamaServer moved all your 2h files away before hosting again. This is why you will receive a new turn file in which you've staled.

There are two options from here. Either you can treat the stale turn as a random event and carry on with the game, or you can roll back the turn and try to host again. If you try the latter your game admin will have to do the rollback via the admin options on the LlamaServer website, and you will all have to do your turns again. Note that in this case it is _really important_ that you actually do redo your turn, rather than just sending in the same one again (which people sometimes seem to do because they don't believe me). If you just send in the same file, hosting will simply fail again.

I hope you manage to get the game back on course, whichever option you go for.


Are we going to rehost and we all redo our turn like the msg says?

[Torin]

I ok with let the stale go. But ok also if people want to redo the turn.

[Kref]

Well, so as no one says he is against stale then I suggest to let it go.

[GameExtremist]

Well I'm in favour of a rollback because

a.) It gives nations with gem and troop generators an unfair advantage.

b.) We have to redo our turn anyway, so why not make it as fair as possible.

[Kref]

Well, I don't see any problem in rollback either.
Torin, I think that everyone had enough time to say something on that subject, so tell us final decision - so that we had time to make turn in time.

[Digress]

I reckon we do the rollback.

[Torin]

Ill do a rollback but im suspecting it will fail again.

[Kref]

It seems I have problems with e-mail. I ask to make 24 hour extension for this (74) turn.

[Torin]

i did not see the msg soon enough. What can we do now?

[Kref]

Nothing, lets continue playing.

[Kref]

I suggest to extend turn length by 24 hours, to get more time for decisions and orders.

[Torin]

extended interval to 72 hs

[GameExtremist]

Thanks for the extension, there taking quite abit of time for me to do at the moment, one other thing is LA pan's player still playing?
He's staled the last 3 turns thats all.

[GameExtremist]

C'mon people ...theres 6 or so hours left too get the turns in....its been a dynamic and passionate game tso far...I'd hate too see people drop out because it gets "too hard", things aren't going there way (things aren't really going the way i'd like lol) or the game is dragging on for too long.

Remember its just a game...make some decisions and get the turns in!

[Torin]

Asophos have dissappeared. And then, seems like ma pangaea and rlieh want marignon to win so it makes 3 vs 2 to give the game to marignon.
Whats the point?

[Digress]

Who was responsible for Arcane Nexus coming down ?

And Ryleh - the dominion that just won't die ... one candle or two candles for how long ? Bleh ...

[Torin]

Im ready to give this game for finished. I dont know you. Marignon is winning by far.

[Kref]

I absolutely disagree.
Marington's chances are below 50%. We should continue, the game is fun.

[Digress]

I apologise for the recent stale that appears to have aggravated TC into attacking the wholesome nation of MA Pangaea.

So many lost Geomancers ... dear me :).

I was hoping to get a slight hosting delay as I have a proposal to get in for work which is taking much more time than I had anticipated. Could I get a 24 extension please ?

[GameExtremist]

I'd like to comment that this is now the longest Dom game I've been in....since Feb 13th...wow I'd like to thank the players who are still involved, this has been an epic game so far...gotta make sure we do AAR's at the end...the end doesn't seem near atm...Fighting through EA Pans chaff is very slow going.

But it has been fun and very interesting, never played Marignon before this, I feel like I know EA PAN as well, seeing I've spend so much time fighting them.

Let the blood flow!

[Torin]

I will extend the host time as asked.
It hosts 00:45 monday 16th.
I kept all the turn saves in case Im up to an AAR.
My first wars were coolness. Now I feel like an underdog at this time but its still a chance.

[Kref]

Using the opportunity, I definetly should thank GameExtremist as well.
I am becoming to understand Marington better due to him as well.
I agree, that we have a long fight ahead, because cutting through his angels, calvalry and mages goes slowly then I expected. )

[Torin]

just noticed only one player did his turn. I postponed hosting just in case.

[Digress]

Thanks for that - I just sent in a turn to avoid staling - but it was only done in a slapdash manner - so please don't force host - I will get a better turn to resubmit in 12 hours or so.

[Digress]

Oh hell .. I am just too tired tonight to get my turn in. Have a little bit of a head cold coupled with a dose of sleep deprivation. My apologies to everyone.

This is now the only game I have going at present - it has my full attention.

[Kref]

Well, mafia 2, elemental - war of magic are good reasons to extend turn for a day or two, I just suggest to extend it not in the last moment next time. If I knew that this turn would be extended I'd managed my time more properly.

[Torin]

all righ ill extend it
i would say blood bowl and elemental

[GameExtremist]

Turns due soon people, try to get those turns in!

[Digress]

I am having a bit of a computer issue right now. May not resolve it before hosting.

[GameExtremist]

With Civ 5 released and playing competitively with starcraft 2, its hard to get the motivation to keep the turns comin when everyone else but Kref has lost interest....its a matter of honour now though. ; )

[Kref]

Well, civ5 is released as it was mentioned above, so I'd suggest to increase turn length for a day or two (until november, for example).
I also think it would be a long and intresting fight between Digress and GameExtremist.
It seems that for now I am able only to resist, but it is intresting. So, I am resisting, waiting when two major powers will begin a fight with each other. Maybe, I'll get a small chance then.

[Kref]

It seems llamaserver didn't took into account 2h files and made a stale turn for all sides.
Maybe it can be fixed somehow?

[Kref]

Well, I suggest to increase turn length up to four days.

[GameExtremist]

I think the game mod...and everyone else are long gone Kref....just you and me now ; )

[Kref]

I see, just checking.
I'll try to sent private message for Torin.
It's a shame you won't fight MA Pan - judging by the amount of demons the reason of MA Pan long sleep is his tiedness from blood economy micromanagment.